 Felly, ddod o'r gwybod, ddod o'r gweithio gyda'r ffordd. Felly, ddod o'r gweithio'r Lleslym etchel. Felly, ddod o'r gweithio'r Scully i'r ILC i'r Twitter. Felly, rwy'n ei wneud. Felly, rwy'n ei wneud am y gweithio'r haf, yw'r gwybod yw'r gweithio'r ddweud o'r gweithio'r gweithio. Felly, rwy'n ei wneud. Felly, rwy'n ei wneud, yw'r cyfnodol yr ystodol yn ym 17 oes. I became interested as many women do in the fact that there were very few other women around me within the environment in which I was working. And as the increase of women talking about this online, on blogs, on Twitter, on other social media became more visible, I became interested in why this wasn't being talked about in other environments. What caused me to move forward with this was I became bored. I'm a geek, I get bored. The job that I was doing was not fully providing me with enough challenge and so I decided that the thing I needed to do was a master's in something I'd never done before. So I looked around and I did a part-time master's with the Open University in the UK in philosophy because having done a degree in chemistry and worked for at that point ten years within the IT industry, philosophy was the obvious next move. What interested me about that was once again, though the cohort around me was not as strongly gender imbalanced and also raised class disability and all of the other axes of discrimination for want of a better term, that the environment I'd be working in IT had been, the people whose work we were studying was almost entirely a cohort of dead white men. So for my master's dissertation for my philosophy degree, I deliberately went and found a topic that I could talk about women and I could talk about not only women but also women writers and women academics and look at and try and break the theory that women don't know stuff. But the thing that I found with philosophy was that it was theoretical, very dry and through that period that I did that master's degree, which was over a course of three years, I became much more involved in activism, if not personally in at least standing at the sides and going, which has its place. So from there I quit my job because I had reached a point, not only was I bored but I was extremely mentally unhealthy in the work that I was doing. I was at a very low ebb and I was enormously fortunate that I was able to quit and focus on myself. I chose the opportunity once I had got to a point where I was no longer at the point where getting out of bed every day was difficult, to go back to university again because learning is fun. On this occasion I took a master's in sociology and research methods at the University of Glasgow and I did this in the 2015-16 academic year. With the intention of trying in the limited time and funds that are available for a master's dissertation to cover some of the things that I wanted to talk about with respect to people who don't match the overall dynamic, the overall demographic of a group and how that changes their experience of the group. So my master's dissertation has this enormously long and terrible title of exploring the lived experience of women within geek communities in online and offline communication. Because what I was trying or what I wanted to do and did not have either the time or the word count was to look at a whole range of issues that I think are very important which apply to all geek communities. I really do define geek in a very broad way. Many of us identify as geeks as people within IT but I've also been in geek communities within media, so fandoms for science fiction, writing and television shows and films and for comic books and pretty much everything. Of course these days geek is also taken by people who are very keen on knitting and very keen on. So I wanted to look at geek as a very broad term but I also had to focus because I only had three months to do my research and my write-up and there's only so much time in one's life. So because I had the opportunity because I have been part of the Debian community, if not an active part for 15 plus years maybe more, I took the opportunity to look at Debian for this and see how people who do not match the base demographic of Debian experience the community and whether that was different to those who did. I particularly looked at this along the axis of gender because that's something that I know more about because that's where I've studied but that's not to say that that's the only axis that's important. Again, back to disabilities, to race, to class, to language even. So that's kind of how I got to where I got. What I did was once I'd got it past the ethics committee you want to talk to who about what, talk to geeks. Who? You know, people who write Linux. What's Linux? Organised a handful due to time constraints of in-depth interviews with a number of people working within and part of the Debian community. These were predominantly women. I had hoped to talk to some people who were in different demographics but unfortunately when it came down to it, you were all in Cape Town and I was in Glasgow. I tried but you know master's dissertation doesn't come with a stipend and there was no way I could afford the flight. So I did a number of interviews. They lasted about an hour. We had a chat. I tried not to focus as so many of the women in technology things do. So, how were people rude to you today? But to look at the holistic experience, actually how people experience being within this community and whether they find that because they are not part of the main demographic, there are challenges or advantages even. And so, yes, I spoke to many people and I gave a large amount of audio and video to transcribe. I did these across Google Hangouts and Skype mostly because there was nobody around in Glasgow. Nice. And then I sat down and spent many, many, many, many, many hours transcribing so that I could take what I had heard and try and produce some sort of write up to tell people that I'd actually done some work. And what I found, which is probably the most interesting thing, I don't, I didn't have answers. The aim of the research was not to, to, to, to go, look, this general community, this is what happens and therefore we should do this. What I wanted was more to, to go, this is how it is for these people. So rather than trying to, to, to, to, to come up with an answer because that's difficult, that was what I was trying to do. And what I found was that, yes, on a day-to-day basis, it's not the big things that get talked about in the articles about, you know, people being sexually harassed at work. It's not constant. It's not, it's not about, about rape. It's not about being denied a promotion. It's not about all of the, the big things. It's about the day-to-day things. It's about the language that people use that subtly tells you you're not welcome. It's about the way that you have to try that bit harder when people know that you're not one of the boys to be accepted. It's the fact that you, that if you have a gut feeling about something, you have to actually then go away and go and do the work to prove it rather than just have your gut feeling accepted the way that maybe you would find if you weren't known to be out of the, the main demographic. And so yes, there was a lot of, of negative there, but I like this but because it makes me happy because I could then bring out a theorist. There's a theorist called Foucault. And Foucault talked about, he was a Frenchman, he talked about power and the way that power structures cause people who are not, who don't have the power problems. But what he talked about in response to that was that the people who don't have power get together and they resist. And that was the thing that I found quite heartening was that despite the fact that people may not have necessarily the power because they aren't part of the, the main demographic, because they may suffer from these constant microaggressions that are wearing, that make everything that little bit more hard work to go back to what Enrico was talking about earlier in the week, using the spoon theory, that rather than it taking one spoon to do something, it takes one and a half because you have to go through an extra level of effort to get something done. What I found that was that people were getting together and there were initiatives and people were coming and going, okay, we are part of the main group and we can see that these are problems for some people but we have enough spoons of our own that we can help and we can show people who are part of the demographic that maybe the way that they are acting is hurting the project because the people, there are people out there who have good ideas that need to happen that aren't necessarily being listened to or are taking much more time to get through a process. So initiatives like Debbie and Women, Rhonda's new initiative around Debbie and Diversity, that was heartening to see, but it was also heartening to see that people were doing that without necessarily there being an overarching group doing it, people were just getting together and supporting each other and going, yeah, I suffer that too, it's okay. Or these are the ways, these are people that you can talk to who won't do that, or if you approach this person in this way. So for me that was nice. I was able to then come back and structure it and go look, we've got domination and resistance and I can talk for co and I got a half decent mark on my thesis and I got a merit overall on the other masters. And so for me that was great and what I'd like to do continuing is to expand that so that when I did my literature review I could find people who had talked about engineers and I could find people who talked about mining and I could find people who talked about, there was this huge hole where no one had talked about people in IT. And no one had really talked about the way that things differ when I'm over here in this country and the people I talk to are all over there in that country and we only ever talk across texts in IRC or possibly on websites and bug reports. And so we make up our own ideas about people and then maybe we're very fortunate and we come to DEDCOV and we have to see each other and go oh you don't fit the idea that I'd come up with for you and how that changes the way that people perceive each other. So not only was I trying to look at people's actual experiences and that was very important to me to hear people's own words, but I also really wanted to look at it from a much more global perspective and there just wasn't time in a masters. So somebody fund me, I want to do the PhD. Pretty much my one minute. OK, can I ask people for questions if they have any? If there is a microphone please use it. And she wanted to ask, when you completed the writer was in there of the positive side of things as well or were you only focusing on the balance of power? I tried to use talking about the balance, using the Focodion idea of domination resistance, power resistance to show that there was not only the downsides but also this much more positive thing where people were building their own communities and making time to try to change the outlook of the main community. It was a basic noise for me, but I know it maybe because I am on the dominant side. I said when it was a video talk about the early Indian history and such that during the last 15 years I've been part of the project. I have seen the change from a male dominated aggressive macho culture to a very tolerant, very open one. I guess you can not say the transition is complete until many remaining factors are dealt with. But I do feel a bit of tension when you say there is still this domination resistance thing. So how do you think we have a transition? How far? Certainly, and I was quite keen to talk about the fact that the community has made major strides, as you say, putting in place things like the code of conduct, the diversity statement, actually thinking about things, changing documentation language from he to they. All of these things are just that little bit more welcoming, but you go back to the figures for the number of DDs and of about 1000 DDs there's what, 15, 20 women? Less, so I had to do sort of vague numbers because people don't all sort of say yes, I'm a woman. And I also don't want to just balance it on men, women because the world is more interesting than that. So, yeah, I mean, there are still strides, but yes, definitely the community is not the way it was, nor is it the way that some other communities remain. So I think that is working very hard and it's thinking about things at the very least. And we should congratulate ourselves for that, but we definitely shouldn't rest on our laurels. Thank you for this answer. I wanted to build upon your question precisely with this idea that there's a moving target. So once we've come up with the code of conduct, I mean, it's great and we can be proud about it, but it doesn't mean that, you know, we can't go further. Yeah, on a positive note, I wanted to say that to me, this community in deaf conf is a great source of inspiration because even though, you know, I can see that, you know, clearly the demographic is, you know, not as diverse as we could hope for, you know, relative to, for example, my work environment. You know, these things are talked about. I mean, you're talking as one example. The conference opens up with the code of conduct and things like that. So I think that, you know, all these things are moving, you know, both in absolute terms and in, I mean, maybe no absolute doesn't exist, but relative to different things. And for example, relative to my workplace, I would say we're very advanced out here. So that's great. And yet we still have, we can learn from other communities as well or other environments. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, I went to university, I did chemistry in the mid 90s. There were a little over 100 people on my course. There were three women. Things have changed, thankfully, with respect to that. And it's more, it's better. But still, you look at the number of senior scientists and it's still low. So this is not something that just we as geeks need to think about. But if we are going to, as we often do, go, we're a lot more advanced than everybody else. We should actually, you know, maybe be a lot more advanced than everybody else. About statistics about developers, I need to apologise because at the application manager side, we haven't actually removed inactive developers for about five years. So if all goes well within the next couple of months, there should be about 200 to 300 best developers which should increase the relative percentage of women in the process. Although that's probably not the way to do it. It helps because if people could go, oh, I don't look like I'm the only to use a quote from a British commentator, the only gay in the village. It makes it much easier to walk into an environment, to walk into an environment and go, hello, none of you look like me. This is scary. The actual question I wanted to ask is what, since you've seen various patterns of things where it takes more effort because one belongs to a specific diversity community, were there patterns you have seen that are not necessarily related to gender? Oh, yes. That I would be interested to, for example. There certainly were. I was particularly focusing on gender because, let's say, I looked at feminist philosophy, so I kind of stuck with feminism. I'm not sure I can necessarily give an example. I think we're doing better at increasing people from non-anglophone countries and from non-Western European, North American type areas. Going to K-town last year was probably an extremely good thing in that respect to give people the opportunity who couldn't necessarily go from there to here or to Europe. But, yeah, I don't have any particular specific examples on that. Sorry. Hello. Hello. Thanks for your talk. I wanted to comment a little bit on the ongoing strategy of making communities better. And I think while it's really exciting to see some progress, I think when people come to that part of the work and are new, they're like, wow, this was really hard. Just to get a code of conduct that says, in some communities, not specifically here, just to say, have something that says, it is not okay to touch other people at the conference. And the people have done it, they're like, wow, that was really hard. And then they're like, but now we're done. We can just go back to hacking. And we're like, that's actually like the lowest common denominator. And it was hard and we really appreciate that. And I'm sorry if it felt like the party where we appreciated you for helping us get a no touching other attendees felt a little short because we all went off to do the next thing. But we do see that work and it's, if the celebration party seems short, it's because some of us know there's a lot more to do. And so, you know, Phil appreciated I suppose, but also, you know, hey, the next party is also a working party where we go and do the next thing and get, you know, beyond the lowest common denominator. So I just wanted to comment on that. That is, I think, common to how it feels in the middle of that kind of work to get to a place where everyone actually does really feel welcome. Sure, absolutely. I mean, it's terribly easy to watch people giving out cookies for, hey, you're a decent human being. Well, that's very nice. But there's more to it than that. So, yeah. Thank you very much for your comment. I'm going to be around probably sat in the cafeteria for the rest of the afternoon. So if you do want to come and chat with me, feel free. I'll be sat with my mum because I brought my mum to Devcoff.