 In this video I will be doing a refutation of Epiucion Apologetics which is a YouTube channel you can see some clips from his videos in the slideshow. I will be aiming to demonstrate that he preaches a false Gospel and to take a defensive stance for the Biblical Gospel. Now you might wonder why spend time exposing and refuting Epiucion Apologetics? Well it doesn't have to be him specifically, he is merely my chosen target to pilot my first detailed attempt at refutation. Like my channel he is relatively new to YouTube, has a fairly small audience. Most of his videos focus on issues relating to salvation such as how are we saved, can we lose our salvation, is it by faith alone or faith and works. He does some fairly lengthy videos where he covers a lot of scripture in detail. We have fairly similar goals with both of our channels except for the notable difference being that I believe in eternal security and faith alone. He believes in conditional security and faith plus works. I don't want refutations to be the primary purpose of my channel but I do want to show you how false prophets misunderstand, misapply or deliberately misuse what the Bible says. Certain emotional or mental gymnastics and misinformation they use to persuade or even trick and manipulate you. And how to effectively critique their mishandling of the word, addressing some of the difficult passages they might use against you, understand the logical flaws they make and take a stand for faith alone and eternal security. He will always have his camper followers that will never repent from their position of work salvation and conditional security. Likewise there will always be those of us who won't budge from faith only salvation and eternal security. However there is always the small third group of people that are listening to both sides and are very confused and frustrated because they just want to hear the truth and they are hearing mixed messages from each side throwing a bunch of Bible passages at them and they don't know what to believe anymore and these are the people that I hope to win over. Now some important disclaimers that I want to mention. This is not a personal attack. We do not have any ongoing feuds. I do not have a personal vendetta against him. I have never met him in person or spoke to him beyond a handful of YouTube comments on his content. We won't be attacking the way that he looks or talks or dresses. This is purely about the Gospel that he preaches. I won't make any promises but I'm going to try and keep this reputation civil and not resort to unhelpful name calling or mockery of an immature nature because the goal is that I want to win people over with compelling arguments. I don't want exposure of false prophets to be the main purpose of my channel and what I am well known for. Now the Bible does commanders to mark, reprove and avoid false prophets but there are some YouTube channels where that is literally all they do in almost every single video exposing every false person under the sun. But if this becomes our focus we end up talking more about what God is not doing rather than about the kingdom of God and Jesus did emphasise the kingdom of God in his Gospels and I would rather edify you by showing you what is right rather than pointing out every single person in the world who is wrong but I will attempt to do both in this refutation, show you that he is wrong and to edify you by showing you what is right. I'm working on my series Biblical Salvation settled once and for all and with each video I am only progressing one chapter of the New Testament at a time. It will take me a very long time to get to some of the difficult chapters in the Bible. Doing this refutation now will give me an opportunity to address some difficult passages fairly early in my channel's existence. As I already mentioned in the previous slide it doesn't have to be him. I could have picked on anybody really but because both of our channels focus on Gospel related issues and we both use a lot of scripture to back up what we believe it seems appropriate to choose him. Crucially I want to do an in-depth well thought out proper refutation Anybody on the internet can do a 20 minute video showing footage of somebody quote a bunch of conveniently selected Bible passages label somebody a false prophet and call it a day. This is far too easy to do and both sides can do this. I could do it to him, he could do it to me and all it does is please their fans and regular viewers. It doesn't edify towards the acknowledgement of truth. I want to help the people on the fringes who are hearing both sides of the debate faith alone verse faith plus works eternal security versus conditional security who are sick and tired of all the mixed messages out there and are so confused and frustrated with what the Bible says that they just don't know what to believe anymore maybe just maybe I will convince some hardcore work salvationist but this is probably highly unlikely. Now let's have a quick comparison of our views before we begin. This is the difference in what we believe. So he although he doesn't claim to be an Arminianist or I've never heard him mention Arminianism specifically it would seem as if his doctrine is that way leaning. I fall under the category of free grace but I have also mentioned Calvinism or reformed theology in the middle because I've noticed that sometimes he lumps certain aspects of Calvinism with free grace and they are the same thing and they're really not and actually from where I'm standing I would say that Calvinism actually has more in common with what he believes because it's really Arminianism with a degree of fatalism mixed in there or you might say Arminianism is Calvinism with the fatalism filtered out. So on the issues of works for salvation he believes that you have to have faith and works to be saved. Now the Calvinist and reform position is they'll say it's faith alone but true faith must produce works to be considered genuine so I would argue that it's actually faith plus works anyway but it wears a faith alone disguise whereas me being free grace I absolutely do believe it is faith alone. For security of salvation so he believes in conditional security this is that you can lose your salvation if you don't have good works. Calvinism and reformed believes in a doctrine called perseverance of the saints and Eputeo and apologetics sometimes mix as this with eternal security but they're not entirely the same thing because the perseverance doctrine is that you cannot lose salvation but if you don't have good works then they will argue that you were never saved in the first place whereas the free grace definition of eternal security is that you cannot lose salvation and actually you won't necessarily persevere in works but you will presumably persevere in faith even if without good works and if you don't have that faith, if you don't maintain your faith and let's say someone wanders off and becomes an atheist or a Christ rejecting reprobate or something like that then we would say that they were never saved to begin with so there's the difference in security and it's important not to mix the Calvinist view with the free grace view because the free grace view is entirely without works whereas the Calvinist view isn't necessarily and it's more like the Arminianist view, it does include works although Calvinists do vary in exactly how they define that they're not always consistent with their definition regarding free will so again aligning with the Arminianist type of a view he believes that salvation is entirely subject to the free will of man man has a full decision on whether he is saved or not because a person can choose to be saved then he can also choose to forfeit his salvation that's what Epi Eusion would argue now the Calvinist and Reformed position is that salvation is entirely subject to the will of God God has already predetermined who goes to heaven who goes to hell and nobody can do anything about it because a person cannot choose to be saved he then therefore cannot choose to then not be saved now in the free grace view we don't really have an ism for this because this is probably the biggest area where the isms tend to argue with each other but in free grace free will and predestination are not considered to be in opposition they both fit hand in hand from our view God predestines those he knows who will believe why one person believes and another doesn't we do not presume to know with certainty or at least I don't presume to know with certainty as Jesus said the wind blows where it will you can't tell from where it came or where it's going so is everyone who was born again so we I wouldn't exactly use the word choice because it's not exactly part of Jesus's lingo particularly in the Gospel of John but I would say a person can accept the open invitation to be saved but it is a permanent decision that cannot be undone and I will explain that later in this refutation and then on the issue of backsliding which is falling into sin Epius the unapologetics would argue that a backslider is at serious risk of losing their salvation by their free will they are choosing to forfeit it they need to get back on their feet to keep or regain their salvation now the Calvinist and reform view is that God will always get a truly saved backslider back on their feet so yes people will backslide yes people will fall but they will always get back up again and God will always get them back on the good books if they continue to backslide and they just go in a downward spiral then the Calvinist and reforms will probably argue that they were never really saved to begin with now in the free grace view a backslider falling into fleshly sin is still eternally saved but they will be chastised sorely on this earth now if somebody does backslide into unbelief and gross heresy then yes in that scenario we would say that they would never likely save to begin with but we always go with what they believe and what they do so someone backsliding into sin doesn't forfeit their salvation but the earthly chastisement deals with this issue so this is how I will proceed first I will attempt to discredit his integrity I will attempt to convince viewers that he is disingenuous dishonest and incredulous often willfully but mercifully I will concede that sometimes it may be unintentional I will assert that he misrepresents and or is willfully ignorant of what free grace actually believes and proclaims he strawman's opponents with false hypotheticals and accusations he sometimes lumps Calvinism and free grace together as if they are almost the same thing his logical arguments debunk themselves he has a false view of how the world really works particularly in relation to false Christianity and the repentance issue he cherry picks contradictory argument to points if and when it suits him and following that he has absolutely no grasp of irony in his interpretations of Scripture whatsoever he tragically mishandles the Bible sometimes I think he does it deliberately sometimes I think maybe he just does it ignorantly he often quote minds passages without important contextual verses so that he can alter the narrative teaching something very different from what the verses were intended to teach or communicate and he misquotes or miscues verses by reading words into the text that aren't actually there for example the Bible might say the word fall and then he reads the words loses his salvation he just plonks those words on top of it even in passages where the security of the believer is not actually a relevant subject matter and then once I have discredited his integrity I will refute the Gospel that he preaches as thoroughly as I possibly can and depending on how much footage I produce doing this if it's not too much then I may also address similar tactics and blunders of people he associates with such as Chip Lutik and Hal Chaffee so the first thing that I want to show you particularly in the way that he asserts that the Bible is his authority is the way that he picks contradictory argument points if and when it suits him so in this video this is not particularly about salvation per se but he's talking about charismatic and holiness preachers which he tends to look at cessationists and Calvinists and the point that he's going to make in this video is that we don't go by groups we go with sound biblical doctrine so I'm just going to show you clips of him saying this in this video you don't want to go off over there and end up you know just going off the rails and not regarding the Bible very highly no you have to stick with us and they tout themselves and they hold themselves up to be the ones with sound biblical doctrine and study the word even though Calvinist and cessationist this is known heresy these are unbiblical and denying the gifts of the spirit that's not sound doctrine okay but yet they at least hold themselves up to this standard that they are the ones sound biblical doctrine and these charismatic over here no they don't have sound biblical doctrine so although I haven't given you all of the context as to what he's talking about here he's saying that we don't typically think of the charismatic as having sound biblical doctrine so then we have the cessationist and Calvinist that are saying come over here but then he's also arguing that they're also heretical and not unbiblical is what he's arguing about so he seems to be emphasizing the point that we need sound biblical doctrine okay that's what we go for and he's going to further qualify this later in this video we look to Jesus listen we don't look to any denomination we don't look to any organization or person we look to Jesus we don't look at the church of Christ and say well you know my denomination doesn't really believe that we don't look to the Calvinist we don't look to cessationist we don't look to the charismatic we don't look to any of these people or groups we keep our eyes fixed on Jesus so you've heard it expressed there folks we're not following people we're not following denominations we're not following groups of people we don't go with what people say we don't go with what the church says we go with Jesus which I assume based on what he said earlier he means sound biblical doctrine that's what we go we don't base our beliefs on what people say or what the church typically interprets okay we go with the Bible that's where we base our doctrine so just to further qualify on that then just to absolutely prove we're not taking this guy out of context we're not misrepresenting this guy this is a couple of other videos where he's gonna say the same thing we follow the Bible we don't follow the doctrines of men so the two videos are my journey out of one saved always saved and the doctrines of men where he's gonna build on this exact same point the Bible says let Jesus said let him call your teacher because you have one teacher and that's the Christ you call no man your teacher you don't call you don't call John Piper your teacher okay you don't you don't go to men to tell you the truth and just believe the first thing they say we go to the Holy Spirit right that's what we should do we go to the Bible we dig in we don't just believe the first thing somebody tells us well I know this verse seems like this but but what I mean John Piper said this so he's smarter than me so I'll just go with him no many in the church today would agree that we should not be following doctrines of men they love to put down Catholics and every other denomination that's you know not their own of course they love to point their finger and say look at that denomination over there they're following doctrines of men but they're not realizing that they're all hypocrites they're not realizing that their very own denomination has its own set of man made doctrines that they will stand up for and defend as well so he's made it very clear we don't follow men okay we go with the Bible we go with what God said we follow Jesus we don't follow men we don't follow denominations we don't follow the church or whoever we follow God not men now he's going to tell you in this video where it's titled top five reasons why one saved always saved is false he's going to tell you which man because remember we're not following the doctrines of men he's going to tell you which man invented this doctrine and I want you to remember who he says okay number one this is a man made doctrine this doctrine wasn't created until the 1500s so that means it's only a few hundred years old one saved always saved comes from the P in tulip which is the five point doctrine of Calvinism the P stands for perseverance of the saints which means that true saints of God will persevere to the end there's nothing that they can do or not do to make it in the kingdom this quite literally is a man made doctrine because at the head of it all is a man named John Calvin this is where it all comes from and I've even had people quote John Calvin and other early church reformers instead of the Bible so I hope you're keeping up with me so far he's claiming that one saved always saved or eternal security whatever you want to call it it's a man made doctrine and bearing in mind we don't follow the doctrines of men as he's just said and it was created in the 1500s so that's quite a long time after Christ so man made doctrine invented quite some time later so it's in his assertion literally a man made doctrine well what we're going to do is keep watching this video because I want to show you then what reason number two is why this is allegedly a false man made doctrine okay number two church history this doctrine was not present in church history prior to the 1500s for thousands of years there's no evidence that the Jews believed in it the Catholic church certainly didn't subscribe to it now there's many differences that we have with the Catholic church but it still doesn't change the fact that for thousands of years through church history whether it was before Christ or after Christ this doctrine was nowhere to be found like I said it's only a few hundred years old for this reason and this reason alone we should have reason for great concern so this is very interesting here folks because now what he's done is he's changed his standard you see when he was dealing with the Charismatics and the Calvinists it was convenient for him to emphasize biblical doctrine and that we don't follow the doctrines of men but now his argument point for saying that this is a doctrine of men is that for thousands of years I don't know if he meant hundreds perhaps that's a mistake because it's less than 2000 but he's asserting that men haven't believed it whether it's men in the Catholic church or Jews that the men of the Jews or men in church history and generally well they didn't believe it so we shouldn't believe it it wasn't his standard that we shouldn't follow the doctrines of men so why does it matter if they didn't believe it because I thought we were going by what the Bible says but you'll see this become apparent that he picks his standards when it suits him in a particular argument for doing so because if he ever actually bumps into somebody who actually knows the Bible who believes in one saved always saved well just saying we need biblical doctrine isn't going to work because people believe it or not who actually believe this and do know the Bible now he tries to straw man faith alone focus not understanding or knowing the Bible very well we'll unpack that later but we're not following the doctrines so then who cares what people have believed for thousands of years it doesn't seem to occur to him the irony that for hundreds of years people have been wrong about stuff he already alluded to the issue of the Catholic church that we disagree we assume that they're wrong about infant baptism we assume that they're wrong about bowing down to idols but somehow they're right about well conditional security for some bizarre reason and even with the Jews Jesus was constantly telling the Jews how wrong they were everything wrong with what they believed everything wrong with righteousness by the law but again we assume then that they were right about conditional security for some bizarre reason so you see how his argument starts to contradict each other because he changes it whenever it suits him to do so now here's another one of his videos it's titled don't be fooled those who believe in eternal security are not obeying Jesus commands and here's five proofs and the first proof that he's going to give you is a reference to the early church bearing in mind that we've just been told that we don't follow the doctrines of men but now we need to go back to what men believe so that he's going to use here and what should we say made this doctrine popular bearing in mind that in the other video we just watched he said it was Calvin who created it and several hundred years after Christ number one it's heresy none of the early church fathers believed in eternal security for the first several hundred years of Christianity now just think about that for a minute in fact it wasn't until Augustine came along that this doctrine of eternal security really took hold and in fact prior to him the only ones that believed in this doctrine were the Gnostics and these were the ones that the Apostles fought so hard against so I hope you paid attention to that folks we've now changed the standard again you see a moment ago it was John Calvin who invented this well created this doctrine 1500 years after Christ almost but now he's saying that Augustine made it popular and even then it was the Gnostics that the Apostles were wrestling against that were fighting against that invented this doctrine well how could the Apostles be wrestling against Gnostic heresy of one saved always saved or eternal security if it wasn't invented until Calvin in the 1500s and how could Augustine have popularized it in the 300s and 400s if it wasn't invented by Calvin in the 1500s you know until the 1500s so you might wonder well maybe he was just mistaken when he said Calvin because when he mentioned Calvin that was earlier in his channel you know maybe he was mistaken about that and he's done some more research and he's just changed his position on it and you know people make mistakes and I'm open to that possibility well on his channel he did a very specific video about Calvin and again he referenced Calvin introducing eternal security he's not made any video as far as I'm aware of that he admitted that he was mistaken about Calvin creating it so I'm not aware that he's recanted that position and made a point about it on the original video where he claimed Calvin created it there's no pinned comment to say that he's changed his position on it and once again if we scroll down these comments you see now he's changed it now so in this particular comment about two weeks ago from the time I record this he now says that Calvin definitely made it popular you know he created it earlier but now he just made it popular and then he starts referencing the Gnostics again so you know it's actually the Gnostics who were actually the ones that introduced this so that was about two weeks ago when he said it was the Gnostics further down let's see if I can find this he said here Sass is the same lie that the devil told Eve back in Genesis 3 that was two months ago so we've gone from Calvin to what's his name Augustine to the Gnostics to all the way back to Genesis and then back to the Gnostics again you see it's convenient for him to change the story for different people that he's talking to if and when it suits him he can't get his own story straight it shouldn't be difficult for him to pinpoint somebody and say this person invented it okay and we're going to debunk some of those claims by the way the whole thing about Genesis is wrong because it's not actually fallen from salvation because salvation is a problematic word to refer to pre-fall we're going to deal with the issue of the Gnostics because they actually twist what we actually have recorded of what the Gnostics believed so you see how he's changing the narrative when it suits him he changes his answer he doesn't actually have a defined answer on this he changes it when it suits him depending on what point he's trying to make and once again he's trying to argue from what did men believe even though he's already told us not to follow men and this is how his I don't even have to do any work his own arguments debunk themselves so you can see that from here on it's going to be pretty easy to take down what this guy believes because his foundations are set on sand to be perfectly honest with you and so one more point that I want to make on this issue of authority is something that he says in this video about his experience with the Holy Spirit and again it's all going down to do we follow the doctrines of men or do we follow what's in the Bible so just have a look at a couple of clips from this video my journey out of one saved always saved but he began to call me out and I asked him I said so I know I'm not going crazy I need I need a sign to know if this is you so there was a specific verse that I had in mind I said if you can show me this verse I'm going to grab my Bible if you can show me this verse right here then then I'll know it's you and I grab my Bible and I open up the Bible and right there I mean my eyes even went smack dab straight to it and I was just I was blown away and I was like well okay this I mean there's no way the devil could do that I mean don't please don't say that this isn't a big deal and please don't say that I've already you know I've already looked into that I've already looked into that well I'm here to tell you that that why in the world with the Holy Spirit of God lead me every day into you know so lead me every day out of this movement out of this whole one saved always saved doctrine that swept the church why would he lead me out of that show me miracles give me affirmation now this is where I don't know if he's actually doing it deliberately or I don't know if he actually realizes he's doing this but this is where we start to get into some rather manipulative arguments because it is now trying to justify what he believes based on the fact that he just opened his Bible and there was a relevant verse well first of all that that doesn't only happen to him okay that happens to people who believe in one saved always saved as well and actually I've been told by a Muslim that they open the Quran sometimes when they think and there it is something that they're looking for so that doesn't really prove anything it's kind of a red herring to be honest and there's absolutely no evidence that the the devil can't possibly do that with it the devil was able to to try and tempt Jesus using the Bible against it but Jesus had to rebuke the devil with the Bible and then he goes on to say that well why would the Holy Spirit be leading me out of this well see anybody can make that argument see I could say why would the Holy Spirit lead me into one saved always saved well we do know that God blinds the minds of those who believe not and he doesn't seem to believe Jesus when Jesus said all those that the Father gives me I will lose nothing in a passage where he's talking about eternal life so that again that doesn't prove anything and it's quite a manipulative thing to say whether he realizes it's manipulative I don't know but you see people who are in their own mind struggling to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit they're very vulnerable to this because then they think this person hears the Holy Spirit and I don't so he must know what he's talking about but again we're not supposed to follow the doctrines of men but when you say that the Holy Spirit speaks to you we only have your word on that and there's a lot of bozos on YouTube including people that he would label as false prophets that claim to hear the voice of God okay and a lot of them by the way believe in conditional security as well so again this is an authority problem is that we're first we're going to the Bible then we look at what men believed and now we're trying to justify things by what he hears the voice of the Holy Spirit well I've got no way of verifying that so we start to see a conflict of authority there so that's quite a manipulative point that he makes but again as I say I don't know whether he realises that now interestingly folks after I've already filmed all of my commentary on the Holy Spirit and his conflicting authorities I came across this little gem and I've not seen this video before it's obviously been on there a while but it says how do I know if I've been deceived the spirit of truth now in the first part of the video he explains that what I've just been saying different people claim to believe that they hear the voice of the Holy Spirit but the Holy Spirit can't be telling them all different things including the one saved always saved versus conditional security issue so I'm not going to replay all of that footage because it really only shows what my commentary already was that we don't go from somebody's arbitrary claims you know to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit but look what he's going to say at 8 minutes and 5 this is how you know whether you're being deceived and identifying the spirit of truth look at what his argument points is here but you know people can even get led astray with falling into just believing about the early Christians yes the early Christians are great and I've done videos on them but the thing is it's great to go through their work but the thing is that if you make the early Christians your teacher then you're just simply going to men to interpret what the Bible says and guys this is not the way this is not the way I don't even know how to process that folks this is like a parody where he just debunks his own arguments I mean what's a hypocrite he told people he said on his channel that one saved always saved is false because look at what early Christians believed no early Christians believed and now we don't interpret the Bible through the early Christians because then we're following men what a hypocrite the fruit of people because remember these people always want to bang on about how we need to do all these works and how your faith needs to be growing this fruit well this is the fruit of this man the man that debunks his own arguments the man that attacks his own doctrine and the man that picks and chooses arguments when it suits him depending on who he's talking to folks I give you work salvation and all this wonderful fruit depart from me I never knew you and so this is going to lead on to the next bit where I'm going to talk about his hypocrisy so the next thing I'm going to do then is show you that he is a hypocrite he accuses other people of doing things that he does himself so this is a video where he exposes another channel called Good Hope and he accuses this person of chopping up verses and taking a verse out of its intended context to prove a point let's look and see what he says blessing is tied to those who do his commandments plural but the right to the tree of life is given to those that do his commandment singular what is the commandment? look at 1st John chapter 3 1st John 3 verse 23 and this is his commandment straight forward very simple very clear very consistent that we should what believe on the name of his son Jesus Christ what is the commandment? of his son Jesus Christ what must I do to be saved believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and now shall be saved in thy house so he quotes 1st John 3 23 that says and this is his commandment singular that we believe in the name of his son Jesus Christ and then he stops there the only problem is that's not the rest of this verse the verse actually goes on to say and love one another just as he commanded us so why did good hope hide the rest of this verse from his viewers and make it seem like the only thing that we needed to do was the first part of this that we believe in the name of his son Jesus Christ but yet not quote the rest of this which would have completely refuted his free grace theology but not only that but if we look at the verse immediately prior to this verse we see that it also refutes his free grace theology look at this it says and whatever we ask we receive from him why? because we keep his commandments plural and do what pleases him this is the context friends keeping his commandments and then he goes on to say that yes it's not only believing but it's also loving your brother loving one another see these are the types of word games that he plays in order to deceive his followers he tries to say oh look it just says commandment so there's only one thing that we need to do that's believe in the name of his son Jesus Christ and then stops there and hopes that nobody else figures it out that it goes on to say and love one another just as he has commanded us so you see it there folks he's calling out another channel and this guy good hope he proclaims one saved always saved but he's calling out good hope for chopping up a bible verse and missing some very important context to try and change the narrative from what's actually going on and I'm going to show you another video where he says that we must take things in its proper context and so this is a video titled Romans 8 one means no condemnation and on and on and at the beginning of this video is going to ask you a hypothetical question if people have confronted you with verses out of context so what he advises you to do is keep reading to get the proper context of what the bible say so let's have a look at that hey guys if you have ever been given a verse taken out of context so clearly and so blatantly I want you to go ahead and hit subscribe below because I think it's happened to us all and today I want to give you guys a tip if you will to alleviate some of these problems when people give you verses taken out of context who support something like you know once saved always saved or any other kind of false doctrine in the church I found something that alleviates the problem of taking verses out of context and and what it is is it's keep reading okay there's so many verses that people use to just cherry pick to support their theological model and they don't keep reading okay so there you have it folks he's told you that people take verses out of context he tells you that people chop up verses and they're wrong to do so and so people who believe in one saved always saved verses of doing that that were taking things out of context or that we're deliberately not quoting the full thing or chopping bits off early because we don't want you to know about certain things in the bible while I'm going to show you an example of him doing the same thing in this video right here so this is everyone who lost their salvation in the New Testament and the first example he's going to give you is Simon the magician now probably one of the most undeniable is Simon the magician of Acts 8 it says that Simon the magician previously practiced magic okay listen to this he previously practiced magic this means that he used to do this so he repented of this and then it says that he believed and then after being baptized okay so he was baptized and then he continued with Philip and then it said that he had received the word okay so what we have here is somebody who repented believed and was baptized and then continued with Philip and received the word of God if this doesn't describe a Christian somebody who's believed and baptized repented and received the word of God then I don't know I don't know what does but listen here this is what Peter says to him he says may your silver perish with you but obtain the gift of God with money you have neither part nor lot in this matter for your heart is not right before God repent therefore of this wickedness of yours and pray to the Lord that if possible see Peter says that it may not even be possible says that if possible the intent of your heart may be forgiven you for I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity so Peter saying that after he believed received the word of God and was baptized and continued with Philip after this he said that he was in need of repentance still and that he may not even be possible that he be forgiven because he ended up getting caught in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity so this is very clear and you could say well he didn't really truly believe well see the burden of proof is on you because it says that he believed and according to the Bible mark 1616 it says whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved and that's exactly what he did he believed and was baptized so there's no reason to think otherwise that he didn't really believe enough or he didn't really have the right kind of belief it says right here that he believed and not only that but received the word of God and he repented he wasn't practicing magic anymore okay so let's recap then he said that Simon is one of the most undeniable examples of somebody who lost their salvation and then he shows Peter's rebuking of Simon as demonstrating the point where he lost his salvation not very long after he believed it turned out well the first thing that I want you to notice is that in the Acts chapter 8 bit that he's extracted here he's gone from verse 9 up to 23 okay now understandably I don't expect him to provide the entirety of Acts chapter 8 it's not necessary because it doesn't all deal with Simon okay but if you're going to accuse somebody of chopping up verses and missing important contextual verses out to change the narrative well the problem if you're going to show all of this because bearing in mind it's shown most of the story there the one bit that is left off is verse 24 because verse 24 completes this story so somehow he was able to provide us a generous amount of scripture from 9 all the way to 23 but he couldn't quite make it to put verse 24 on there because verse 24 is really very important to this whole story from the point of view that he's trying to express anyway so where it says that Simon believed obviously people that he's confronted have tried to tell him it was a false belief or a vain belief he seems to argue that it's a legitimate belief I don't have a problem with believing that's a legitimate belief I think Simon genuinely got saved at that point now he then references what Peter says to him here so Simon purchases the gift of the well he asks to purchase the gift of the Holy Ghost Peter then rebukes him your money perish with you because you thought this you have no part or lot in this matter what does this matter mean well it's what Simon asked for the power to give people the Holy Ghost he has no part in that matter your heart is not right in the sight of God repent of this particular wickedness pray God and perhaps your heart may be forgiven I perceive that you're in the goal of bitterness and the bond of iniquity now what I want you to notice the word salvation is not mentioned the word eternal life is not mentioned a warning about going to hell specifically is not mentioned okay it doesn't say anything about that now I want you to hold on to that because I'm gonna come back to that point because again this all comes to do with taking things in their proper context remember well he's trying to paint Simon out as this really evil person did this evil terrible thing and then Peter rebuked him because he's such a terrible person and so he must have lost his salvation because of what a terrible person he is well ask yourself this question folks terrible people when you try and correct them with the Bible are they typically responsive to that do they typically accept the rebuke I mean this guy himself at PUC on he's probably dealt with plenty of plenty of people that he's tried to rebuke them with the Bible and they've not accepted correction okay he knows what that feels like well let's see how Simon responded to Peter again if you're going to go for the full context you know because we don't want to take things out of context heaven forbid then answered Simon and said pray you to the Lord for me that none of these things which you have spoken come upon me so Simon seems to be accepting Peter's rebuke here and this is a very unusual example he seems to be accepting the correction and he's appealed to Peter to pray for him that this stuff won't happen to him that the stuff that Peter mentions there okay this is someone who seems to be from what we can gather from the available information given to him in the passage that Simon's repentant but he chopped off the passage at verse 23 Mr we shouldn't take things out of context why because that verse wouldn't fit the narrative that he's trying to paint in that video now obviously I can't prove that he did that deliberately maybe he just didn't look properly maybe I don't know I can't prove it but me personally I'm absolutely convinced that he did it deliberately I think he knows the Bible well enough to know full well what he's doing here and he's doing the exact same thing in my opinion that he accuses other people and even if you disagree with me about that that's fine because we're barely at the beginning of what I've got to cover in this video you just hang on tight but remember that he's made a song and dance about not taking things out of their proper context okay well let me show you an example well not an example let me show you an exchange I once had with him from my personal channel okay now I wasn't able to find the video where I made this original comment I don't know if the video has been taken down or my comment got deleted by him or you know YouTube doing what it does maybe it just disappeared into the ether he does typically delete comments even when they're attacking him so kudos to him for that at least so I used I didn't actually use a biblical argument originally I used a logical argument if internal security is such a dangerous lie explain why all these denominations and all of these are bad denominations by the way don't believe it that was my assertion and so because he tries to paint out like one saved always saved of this big dangerous lie that's sort of sweeping through Christianity it's not really true it's sweet you could argue that for evangelical Christianity maybe but not Christianity as a whole because these denominations include millions of people that don't believe it okay some of them are very vocal about it as well so then he goes on to say the same argument about not a single Christian recorded for the first several hundred years believed it you know even though we've just gone through the whole thing about how we don't follow the doctrines of men yet we have to somehow find a man that believed it to justify it for some reason so he says it's a Gnostic doctrine and again that contradicts what he said elsewhere but fine so he says it's a Gnostic doctrine now I didn't actually take the full comment in my snapshot so unfortunately I've just lost what his question was but he asked me something presumably it was about show me an example of somebody who believed internal security well I pointed out just people from the Bible because I base it on the Bible John believed it when he quoted Jesus saying whosoever believes in me shall not perish it doesn't say might not perish and he quoted Jesus saying I Jesus give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand and so on and so on and so on well then he replies saying this is exactly what I'm talking about these verses are taken completely out of context but hang on a minute because when I quote Jesus he is saying I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand eternal life is the context that's the salvation verse because it's the very subject matter that Jesus is talking about there yet mister we shouldn't take things out of context here uses a passage that doesn't even mention eternal life and doesn't mention salvation to say that somebody lost his salvation and this is going to come apparent very much so today is that all of his a lot of his go to we can lose our salvation passages like John 15 abiding me for instance don't mention eternal life so then when he does get to an eternal life passage like John 6 or John 10 that I would use he has to find the most convoluted ways to get around it and I'm going to deal with that because I'm really going to have to hammer in this OSAS business later so there's a lot of hypocrisy here him taking things out of context while accusing everybody else of taking things out of context and you can disagree with me but it's just going to become more and more apparent as we progress through this take down so just hang in there to be honest the next thing that I'm going to demonstrate then is how he straw man's faith alone position so to start off there's a couple of videos he's done one is where he receives a faith alone translation through the mail and then there's another one where he searches by faith alone on the internet now both of these are joke videos just to point that out if it's not going to be already obvious this is going to show how he straw man's what we actually believe okay hey guys I just got this new faith alone translation so I wanted to do an unboxing and give you guys some of my thoughts on it so let's go ahead and open it up here okay now it's supposed to be a pretty easy read so we'll go ahead and check it out oh wow that's a pretty nice cover oh wow that's thin really thin oh yeah this is not worth $79.99 what this guy's trying to tell me we're saved by works and not by faith alone wow you know what let me find that one verse it talks about faith alone let me see here oh yep there we go James 224 you see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone oh no this can't be right and so there you have it folks he's trying to make it out as if people on the faith alone position really only have one verse in the whole bible and that were completely oblivious to the fact that the actual verbating mention of faith alone in the bible is only ever in a negative context now really the joke's on him because he's the one that produced this so he's the one that's taken verses out of the bible not us but with this issue of faith alone only appearing in a negative context verbating well just as a side comment nothing to do with him but if a catholic ever says that to you just come back at them with the queen of heaven because they call Mary the queen of heaven and that only has a negative connotation multiple times in the bible but the thing is when we say faith alone what exactly do we mean okay because he's making out as if there's one verse in the whole bible that says faith alone and it's in a negative context well when we say faith alone we mean faith without works however you want to phrase it you can say faith without works you can say faith not of works phrase it however you like and it's not as if we've only got one verse in the bible to go on okay so let's go through then our verses for faith alone Matthew 10 32 whosoever therefore shall confess me before men him will I confess before my father which is in heaven Matthew 21 verses 31 to 32 verily I say unto you that the publicans and harlots go into the kingdom of God before you for John came unto you in the way of righteousness and you believed him not but the publicans and harlots believed him and you when you had seen it repented not afterward that you might believe him mark 115 the time is fulfilled the kingdom of God is at hand repent ye and believe the gospel Mark 16 16 he that believes and his baptised shall be saved but he that believes not shall be damned John 1 7 the same came for a witness to bear witness of the light that all men through him might believe John 1 12 but as many as received him to them gave he the power to become the sons of God even to them that believe on his name John 2 23 now when he was in Jerusalem at the Passover in the feast day many believed in his name when they saw the miracles that which he did John 3 15 to 18 that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life for God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved he that believes on him is not condemned but he that believes not is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten son of God John 3 36 he that believes on the son has everlasting life and he that believes not to the son shall not see life but the wrath of God abides on him John 4 14 but whosoever drinks of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. John 4 53 so the father knew that it was the same hour in which Jesus said unto him your son lives and himself believed and his whole house. John 5 24 very very very I say unto you he that hears my word and believes on him that sent me has everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation but is passed from death on to life. John 5 38 and you have not his word abiding in you for whom he has sent you believe not. John 6 29 Jesus answered and said unto him this is the work of God that you believe on him whom he has sent John 6 35 to 36 and Jesus said unto them I am the bread of life he that comes to me shall never hunger and he that believes on me shall never thirst but I said unto you that you also have seen me and believe not. John 6 39 to 40 and this is the father's will which has sent me that of all which he has given me I should lose nothing but should raise it up again at the last day and this is the will of him that sent me which everyone which sees the son and believes on him may have everlasting life and I will raise him up again at the last day. John 6 47 verily verily I say unto you he that believes on me has everlasting life John 6 64 but there are some of you that believe not for Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not and who should betray him. John 7 38 to 39 he that believes on me as the scripture has said out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water but this spake he of the spirit which they that believe on him should receive for the Holy Ghost was not yet given because that Jesus was not yet glorified John 8 24 I said therefore unto you that you shall die in your sins for if you believe not that I am he you shall die in your sins. John 10 25 to 29 Jesus answered them I told you and you believed not the works that I do in my father's name they bear witness of me but you believe not because you are not of my sheep as I said unto you my sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me and I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10 38 if I do though you believe me not believe the works that you may know and believe that the father is in me and I in him. John 11 25 27 Jesus said unto her I am the resurrection and the life he that believes in me though he were dead yet shall he live and who so ever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this she said unto him yes Lord I believe that you are the Christ the Son of God which should come into the world. John 12 36 while you have light believe in the light that you may be the children of light these things spake Jesus and departed and did hide himself from them John 12 40 40 46 Jesus cried and said he that believes on me believes not on me but on him that sent me and he that sees me sees him that sent me I am come a light into the world that who so ever believes on me should not abide in darkness. John 20 31 but these are written that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God and that by believing you might have life through his name. Acts 2 21 and it shall come to pass that who so ever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Acts 3 36 to 37 and as they went on their way they came on to a certain water and the eunuch said see here is water what does hinder me to be baptized and Philip said if you believe with all your heart you may be answered and said I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Acts 16 30 to 31 and the prisonkeeper brought them out and said sirs what must I do to be saved and they said believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved and your house. Acts 19 4 then said Paul John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance saying on to the people that they should believe on him which should come after him that is on Christ Jesus. Romans 1 16 to 17 for I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ for it is the power of God on to salvation to everyone that believes to the Jew first and also to the Greek for therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith as it is written the just shall live by faith. Romans 3 22 to 24 even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ on to all and upon all them that believe for there is no difference for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. Romans 3 27 to 30 where is boasting then it is excluded by what law of works no but by the law of faith therefore we conclude that to manage justified by faith without the deeds of the law is he the God of the Jews only is he not also of the Gentiles yes of the Gentiles also seeing it is one God which shall justify the circumcision by faith and uncircumcision through faith. Romans 4 2 to 7 for if Abraham were justified by works he has where of to glory but not before God for what says the scripture Abraham believed God and it was countered on to him for righteousness now to him that works is the reward not reckoned of grace but of debt but to him that works not but believes on him that justifies the ungodly his faith is countered for righteousness even as David also described the blessedness to whom God imputes righteousness without works saying blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven and whose sins are covered. Romans 4 22 to 24 and therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him but for us also to whom it shall be imputed if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead. Romans 5 1 to 2 therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ by whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Romans 5 8 to 9 but God commended his love towards us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us much more than being now justified by his blood we shall be saved from wrath through him. Romans 5 15 to 16 but not as the offence so also is the free gift for if through the offence of one many be dead much more the grace of God and the gift of grace which is by one man Jesus Christ has abounded onto many and not as it was by one that sinned so is the gift for the judgment was by one to condemnation but the free gift is of many offences onto justification. Romans 5 17 to 18 for if by one man's offence death reigned by one much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one Jesus Christ therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all meant condemnation even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men onto justification of life. Romans 5 19 for as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Romans 8 24 for we are saved by hope but what hope that is seen is not hope for what a man sees why does he yet hope for but Israel which followed after the law of righteousness has not attained to the law of righteousness why because they sought it not by faith but as it were by the works of the law for they stumbled at the stumbling stone. Romans 10 9 that if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead you shall be saved. Romans 10 13 for whether shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 11 5 to 6 even so then at this present time also there is remnant according to the election of grace and if by grace then it is no more of works otherwise grace is no more grace but if it be of works then it is no more grace otherwise work is no more work Ephesians 2 8 to 9 for by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast. Galatians 2 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by the faith of Jesus Christ even we have believed in Jesus Christ that we might be justified by the faith of Christ and not by the works of the law for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Galatians 3 7 to 9 know you therefore that they which are of faith the same are the children of Abraham and the scripture for seeing that would justify the heathen through faith preached before the gospel onto Abraham saying in you shall all the nations be blessed so then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. Galatians 3 11 to 12 but that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God it is evident for the just shall live by faith and the law is not a faith but the man that does them shall live in them and so in conclusion folks no we don't just go on one verse we do actually have a shoulder verses that we can go to and throughout this video I'm going to be covering all the verses that he goes to. Now before I get on to the next part where I'm going to deal with all these doctrine and difficult passages that he turns to and the whole Gnostic accusations and all that kind of stuff there's one more thing that I want to show you now bearing in mind this is a man who so far has proven himself to be hypocritical in what we've seen and he's strong and the faith alone position well this is a video he's going to show you where arguably somebody is strong and conditional security now he's titled this the persecution of non-Osas is coming now when you think of people in the Bible who were filled with the Holy Ghost perhaps someone like Sampson or Stephen these were bold men these were tough men Stephen did a great job he was stoned to death for what he proclaimed and he proclaimed it anyway this was a tough man who wasn't afraid and this is a video where he's going to suggest that he's now at risk of being persecuted by people who are Osas and faith alone now this is a man who claims to be led by the Holy Spirit that he's been led into conditional security well let's watch this and see how filled with the Holy Ghost this man really is if the persecution against people who reject one saved always saved has not already begun I think it's begun now for those of you that don't know Mariah Jones she has amassed quite a following as you can see here over 22,000 subscribers I originally found out about her because she came across as a suggested video and just out of sheer curiosity I decided to check it out because she was giving her testimony out of what she calls legalism so I was curious I checked it out basically she has just fallen into the hyper grace movement is what's happened well what happened was a few days later I guess she had backlash on it and she ended up creating this post that was something extraordinarily disturbing let me just go ahead and get into it and show you right now this right here is what she posted so it's this it's this comic I don't know if she made this up or if somebody else did but basically the whole thing here is that people who reject one saved always saved are the bully on the right and they like to apparently pick on little girls and beat them down and make them feel awful you can't make this up we just have to go through this at the top it says your salvation is none of their business and then it goes down and has this poor girl crying and she says I told you that Jesus saved me and gave me everlasting life why don't you leave me alone and this guy right here he's wearing a shirt that says joy stealer so this is the guy who rejects one saved always saved and this is a girl who believes in faith alone and then at the bottom here it says because he has an agenda don't feel sorry for none once saved always saved for a second they have no joy and want to rob you of yours remember misery loves company okay wow I really don't know where to begin on this so the first thing salvation is none of their business so this right here is to basically say that that we shouldn't have this discussion at all this is very very common with people with once saved always savers they think that we shouldn't have this conversation at all and we should just leave everybody alone about it and not ever talk about it and we should basically just shut up now strangely enough I do actually agree with him that it is a stupid post okay when I'm out evangelizing often actually Christians are very difficult to deal with because they don't like it when you confront what they already believe but I find it actually has nothing to do with them being OSAS because you have the same problem with the Catholics and the Jehovah's Witnesses and all all those people and really whether someone claims OSAS or non-OSAS it is a sign of an unsaved person that they can't tell you unequivocally that they're saved and they couldn't show you the plan of salvation from the Bible most of them don't know a Nazarene from a Nazarite and I do get that so I acknowledge that it's kind of a stupid post and he commented about how people are using this to shut down the argument essentially and not address these doctrinal issues or make any attempt to defend them and from other comments that he's put in some of his other videos I can see that sometimes he has tried to confront Christians about some of this stuff and they shy away from these verses or his pastor that he once had didn't answer him or something like that that doesn't make it wrong necessarily folks that doesn't make the doctrine wrong but as much as I agree it's a stupid post it's not really that offensive it's not personal or directed towards any one individual if that was addressed against my group of people I wouldn't even flinch it wouldn't bother me in the slightest okay and really I just find baffling he started this video saying if the persecution of people who reject Osas has not already begun I think it's begun now this is pathetic this is laughable he thinks he's being persecuted because somebody shared this on social media it's very generic it's not directed at him personally and I agree that it's pathetic but then the fact that he thinks that that amounts to his persecution is infinitely more pathetic now when you think of people in the Bible who were filled with the Holy Ghost you might think of someone like Stephen who was stoned to death or you might think of someone like Paul who went through his own trials and tribulations and was also stoned as well those were men that were brave men they were courageous men they weren't afraid of the world that's what men filled with the Holy Ghost look like and he thinks he's being persecuted because of the post on social media folks he's not being thrown off a building like in an Islamic country he's not being burned at the stake like the Catholics were doing to people 400, 500 years ago he's not being locked up in a concentration camp like in North Korea someone shared this picture on social media and people comment on it and he thinks he's being persecuted it's frankly pathetic and he goes on to explain about how the body of Christ should be able to tackle things with each other but what he doesn't seem to grasp is that from the Osas position there's not a lot of the body of Christ but that's another that's out of the point really this is not persecution and this is the thing I've noticed with some of these conditional security folk is that the first little obstruction that they come up with or the first line of attack they think they're doing great courageous work for Christ they think they're being bold and taking a stand for Jesus something on social media wow well done you so just before I get onto the Bible just a few last comments to wrap up this first part is that the fruit of this man's spirit bearing in mind he tells us that we need to do the works and have the fruits of righteousness for our salvation well, he strawman's faith alone he also strawmans Osas with calling it Gnosticism, we'll get onto that later but then he whines about persecution when an Osas person strawmans conditional security he's hypocritical, he debunks his own arguments and he picks contradictory argument points when it suits him to do so and so you know it's like well tell us more about these works of righteousness and that's the problem with these people that think that they're good works and I don't know they try and distinguish between the works of the law and the works of faith but they think that they're good works merits their salvation their assurance is in their abiding and really folks it's a house of cars it stands on, the foundations of sand and it's ready to crumble at any moment because you only have to make one or two mistakes and someone exposes you for who you really are and you fall short of the glory of God now, in my own way mercifully I do feel sorry for him I think he's tried to confront Christians about some difficult passages and he hasn't had answers and he did a video on his channel where he talked about how he tried to confront his pastor and ask his pastor about these things and he didn't get the support he needed and I get there and I've been there but at the end of the day though that's no excuse for preaching a false gospel and taking the Bible out of context it's no excuse for picking contradictory argument points if and when it suits you to do so and the thing is even in this video I'm going to attempt to deal with a lot of the difficult verses that he likes to bring up I'm going to attempt to deal with some of those really hard go to passages that he's perhaps never had an answer before because believe it or not there are people who believe in faith alone and one saved always saved who do know the difference between a Nazarite and a Nazarene and I'm not all that I'm not someone who's of eloquent speech but I'm going to attempt to address some of his difficult passages as much as I can and to show people that he is deceiving them with the way he interprets the Bible but the thing is even if he ever watches this I don't know if he's ever going to watch this video but I don't think he's going to repent I think he's being given over to this delusion I don't know why but he's grown around with people with Osas he's grown up he's been around people who believe in faith alone so he's being told what the true gospel is and he wrestles and he wrestles and he wrestles against it and he gives challenges to Christians where answer this passage but then if you answer that passage he's just going to come up with a bunch of excuses anyway because I've dealt with that with him from some of my personal comments and I'll show you an example perhaps later in the video where he's done that he'll only give excuses if you try and challenge these difficult passages anyway so I'm not going to do this for his sake I don't believe that I'm strong enough to be able to convert this man I'm doing it for the people that are on the fringes that think that this man knows the Bible that think that he's telling the truth this is for those people people that are on the fringes and hearing it from both sides and they don't know what to believe anymore that's why I'm doing this