 So, I would like to call the South Burlington City Council meeting of Monday, December 19th, 2022 to order and we'll start with the Pledge of Allegiance. This conference will now be recorded. Thank you for those of you in the room. Thanks for being here. There's an emergency. You can go out either door at the rear of the auditorium and then to the right or left to leave. For those participating remotely, thank you for joining us. We, if you are interested in speaking on an issue on the agenda, please either turn your cameras on and indicate you'd like to speak or you can chat to me and the chair will call on you. We are not monitoring the chat for content. Thank you. And Jordan, we can't see the go to meeting on the monitors. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Hey, Noah or Linda, can you guys confirm or Gabe that you are so that you can hear us. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, indeed. Alrighty. Okay, so we'll move on to. Item three agenda review. Are there any additions, deletions or changes in. Order of. Agenda items. Okay. Seeing none. We'll go on to comments and questions from the public not related to the agenda. Are there any in. The. Audience in the auditorium. All right. How about online? Okay. We must be doing things right, right? Number five is the counselor's announcements and reports on committee assignments and then the city manager's report. Did you want to start top. I really just have one thing at the last council meeting when wrecking parks was presenting. I stated that it is part of South Burlington. I just wanted a very, very intelligent, smart friend of mine reached out to me and clarified that it is actually a state gore. And that the South Burlington never actually annexed to the property when we could have back in 1950. But Wikipedia states that it is part of South Burlington and our legislative district chittenden 12 very explicitly Martin LaLonde's district. Very explicitly includes Juniper Island as well as that little rock outpost. I'm claiming it for South Burlington. I'm going to go out and put a flag on it. Juniper Island, South Burlington. And that's all I have to say. All righty. Megan. Yeah, Naki might have something to say about that island and the rocky outpost too. But I just wanted to thank the staff and the volunteers and the volunteers. Tim was out there two nights. I saw Peter Taylor here a lot as well as made of Townsend and Helen, of course. And I'm sure there are others. I'm just talking about when I was around, but it was a wonderful illuminate Vermont event. And I'm so glad to see the numbers. I'm going to let Jesse, you know, break that news, but it was just wonderful. So thank you staff. I think our residents really appreciated it. Okay. Tim. Sure. Thank you. I did attend two meetings last week, one with the economic development meeting and then also the energy committee. And there was a lot of discussion over the questions asked by the planning commission about updates to the cop plan. So that will generate a lot of discussion and information for the future. I also volunteered two nights at illuminate Vermont. And I'm just going to go ahead and talk about the plan for the future. I also volunteered two nights at illuminate Vermont. Had a great time. Saw a lot of from my friends that attended. And, you know, I was a traffic control person on the Heinsberg roadside and unfortunately had to give the bad news to many people who didn't read the signs that they had to turn around because there was no, there is no way to get through there. All right. Just want to go to the blue mall. Just want to go to the U mall. Sorry. Got to turn around. I was like, what's going on? I go, well, there's this, you know, facility going on. Just go around back in park and they actually didn't. I think they left later. So they're like, thanks for letting us know. So I just want to thank the staff as well. And it was a fun thing to work and it was great to be there. And the weather, despite the snow, actually the snow would kind of made it nicer. Yeah. So it was, it was fun. And it wasn't too cold. So thank you. Right. Okay. I also worked the, what do you call it? The s'mores bar. So that was, it was really cool. The way that it was set up and it was, came in waves and it was pretty popular. So that was fun. And people appreciated that it was free. I want to just really publicly acknowledge the financial support that the Burlington airport, international airport gave along with the Larkin family. They were the two, I think in the state, I guess we went for a grant where the, the three big supporters for illuminate Vermont. And I really appreciate that. I think that's reflective of some of our good relationships with people who live here or an airport that lives here. But we don't really control it, but they do reach out and support us on occasion. They want actually, Nick Longo told me he really, really wanted fireworks, but there's no place here right now with all the building with fireworks. So, but I did have a busy week last week. I had a planning committee. And I think our new newest appointee, Donna Laban, added just some great context to their conversations. So I think that was a really good selection on our parts. We can all pat ourselves on the back. And I think they appreciated that kind of different or additional viewpoints. So, so that was good. Then I also went to the charter committee on Wednesday and answered questions about, oh, my role as chair and thoughts about expanding the council and having whether we needed a mayor or not. So that is a committee that's very engaged and asked good questions. So that was fun. And then on Thursday, I went to a wonderful meeting that made it Townsend and had invited quite a few different leaders in South Burlington. It was the Vermont family network. And it was really to let, I think probably lots of you are familiar with the organization. If not, I'll get you there. But it's a wonderful organization that really provides support to families who have children or individuals with disabilities or health concerns. And that was interesting. And then later that day, since our fearless leader to my right was tied up, I represented the city at the groundbreaking ceremony with the UVM Medical Center, as well as Snyder Braverman, to talk about their new building, one of their two new buildings, but this one in particular is the one that has 121 units of... It's market rate, but I think they're going to subsidize them and sort of aimed at the people who come to work at the medical center and really can't find affordable housing. And then the, you know, topping. The cherry on top is that it also includes a daycare center with 75 slots from infants up to, I think it's five, maybe six. But that was really wonderful to see that sort of coming together of the medical center's vision and need for housing, as well as daycare and the way it supports and will help us develop city center. So that was a nice event. Let's see what else did I do? Oh, and I worked illuminate. I think that's it. So it was a busy week, but it was fun week. And I think, you know, the city really has so much going for it when you think about all the different things, just standing there and looking around city center and seeing all those buildings and what used to be a racetrack and sort of a wetlands that was polluting the potash. It's really come a long way, baby, as they say. And it's really gratifying to see all the different buildings kind of started by our vision for the city hall and library and then just building from that. So it's a good week. Jesse. Great. I agree it was a great week last week. So you have to just start with illuminate Vermont. I'm thrilled to share that on Friday night when all the staff was a little anxious about were people going to show up to this thing in the snowstorm. We had 750 visitors on Friday night and then another 1600 on Saturday. So when you think about for a first year event that penetration into the community bring our neighbors out is pretty great. I do also want to thank all the volunteers, all of you, a lot of our committee members participated as volunteers, which was really exciting. We want to call out the grant we got from the agency of Commerce and Community Development too. I think without that initial seed funding, it would have been very hard to leverage the rest of the funding. So it's a really great example of how just a little bit of state one time money can really catapult forward community connections and community resiliency. So thank you to our ACCD partners. I also want to give a huge shout out. You'll hear much more from them tonight but to the public works crews who did a huge amount to clear snow and keep that a really manageable space while also clearing snow and the rest of the city. I got to do a plow truck ride along Friday night which was also really fun. And then just a huge, huge thanks to Holly and Alana who put so much time and effort and vision into every single tiny little detail of Luminate Vermont. Alana will be here later on and just huge thanks to them for the master mining staff who came out. A couple of other updates for you tonight on the celebratory front. Chief Burke was on Vermont edition last week. They did a two day segment on crime and policing in Indian County and he and Chief Mirad shared the mic on the second day. I'd really encourage folks to listen to that podcast. It's a really interesting conversation about the kind of uptick in crime we're seeing but also how we address that as neighbors and community members without necessarily requiring badges and guns. So really great conversation and thanks to Chief Burke for representing us so well. We had several members of the leadership team and I had a meeting with our incoming state delegation this morning to just meet and greet, develop some relationships, talk to them about some municipal operations policies that we see moving forward in Montpelier. It was a great hour discussion and I think really built those connections that will benefit all of us hopefully over the session. A few other kind of municipal logistics points. The council obviously knows this but just as a reminder to the community that heating and hot water service ordinance goes into effect as of February 15th. That ordinance is obviously online. We have also updated our certificate of compliance form. That is online and available for developers and we are working on a series of FAQs for folks who are looking to build new in the upcoming months. At your January meeting I will be asking you to appoint a building inspector which is part of that enforcement of that ordinance as well. Council received a brief update from me on this tonight but just to share with you all in the community again. Colchester has indicated that they are not going to move forward with the Chittenden County Public Safety Authority this year and likely only with fire and EMS in the future which creates quite a financial barrier for us getting that over the finish line this year. So we met as a CCPSA board this morning. We're looking, South Burlington is going to explore how we, with the support of the CCPSA board, how we approach funders to think about reallocating some of the grant dollars we've received for CCPSA to South Burlington so we can start providing regional services. That obviously will have to come to the council ultimately so much more to come on that but I did want to share that as it was in public meeting this morning. We have a bunch of exciting things happening in early January with staffing. We have our new HR director starting. She'll come to council and meet with you. We also have two new firefighters and three new police officers starting in January. The police officers, of course, to go to the February Academy which is great. I do want to call out three quick things on your consent agenda before you get there. One, with the November vote, the several communities in Chittenden County have stood up Chittenden County Communications Union District. That now has to officially form and write by-laws and convene a board and do all of those initial table-setting things. I respectfully request that you appoint me to serve as the South Burlington Rep to that board only initially. Once those by-laws are set up, I suggest that we go to the community and see if there's a community rep who would like to represent Chittenden County for that. I also want to thank the Public Works team. There are three different grant applications on your consent agenda and I'm really trying to leverage those state dollars and federal dollars into our community. And then finally, just appending your approval, thanks to Donna Kinville for stepping up to serve as our assistant treasurer during all of our staff transitions. That's all I've got. Great. Okay, so the next item is the consent agenda and there's two, four, six, eight, ten items, which is a lot. We have three announcements, minutes from four meetings, our November financials, the 2022 grand list errors and omissions list, appointing officially, I guess, Donna Lieban to the Planning Commission for a term expiring June 20, 25, appointing Jesse Baker to serve as the initial representative to the Chittenden County Communications Union District Board, approving applications for Vermont Transportation Alternatives Grant for scoping and design and construction of the Allen Road shared use path, approving an application for Vermont Transportation Alternatives Grant to design and construct the Bartlett Bay Road culvert replacement project. That was quite a long report. Whoa. I bet it was 35 pages. There should be a test. Yeah. Well, I won't pass. And then approving an application for a reallocation of the 2020 Homeland Security Grant for security cameras at the wastewater water facilities and finally appointing Donna Kenville to serve as the assistant treasurer. So I'll move to approve, but I have two items. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Okay. And I have an item too, maybe to overlap. Okay. So what's your item? Well, the items. Yeah. December 5th, and I'm sorry, December is always so busy, Sue, but I caught a couple of things on page four and page six of December 5th. Instead of a 575% increase of taxes, it should be 5.75. That's on page six. That's in the next to last paragraph. And then on page, so let's all take a deep breath. And then page six, instead of energy issues, it should be emerging issues just at the bottom there. And then that's all good. The question I have is for Martha, just to know that you visited these properties to confirm that there was no structure. And okay, that was on. Okay. Tim. And also a question for Martha about the structures on John Fay road. I don't understand how, so these are rental apartments that are being converted to condos. And then. Well, so you have. So you're showing that you're reducing the grand list by roughly $3 million. $3.9 million. But the condos, when they're purchased are going to be, they're going to have value is it? How do you want to come up? The condos have value now in the grand list. Okay. Okay. So they're already there and you're subtracting the rental. Okay. Got it. That's all I need to know. Thank you. Sorry. And yes, I did go out and look at the properties. Okay. That was great. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions? You ready for the vote? All those in favor of. The consent agenda as. Approved and slightly amended. Signified by saying aye. Aye. Aye. So that carries and we'll move on to. Item seven, which is the FY 24 budget. And we're going to hear from Tom. Tom is setting up here. I just want to remind the council and the public that all of our FY 24. Presentation, which will also include pennies for. Penny for pads and improvements to the. No, to the, and the open space fund. So while Tom is setting up here, I just. This is a really exciting budget night, both community development and public works. There's a lot of public works team members here in the audience. So I'm sure Tom is going to introduce them. And I just want to remind the public that all of our FY 24. Budget documents are on our website to go to the city's website, the finance department page, and then the FY 24 budget. All of the line item budgets, roll up budgets, presentations are all there for year. Perusal. And of course for the council. This is this is really enough for you to hear from our leaders and ask questions, but also this will become your budget. So if there are things you want to change or see your ad or. Different analysis you want us to look at, we're happy to take that during any time during these budget hearings. Hi, Tom. Oh, good evening everybody. Hi there. So Tom DePetro, director of public works. I'm going to introduce the rest of the team shortly here, but I'll. Let me start with that. And I'm just going to go to my first slide to do it. So we have 39 employees in public works. We make up about 40% of the expenditures that are in the FY 24 budget when you add in the enterprise funds. And so here's a very quick overview of our staff. And I'll start with our director or deputy director of operations, Adam, Kate, who's joining us online this evening. Can you see my mouse on the screen? Does Adam want to. Show his face. He texted me saying. No, he texted me saying his videos might be a little choppy coming in. Just a heads up. All right. So I'm going to proceed. The large number of employees that Adam oversees within public works. Majority of our maintenance staff. Also with me to my right here is Erica. She is our deputy director of capital projects. She's going to be presenting on the paying for path and open space fund portions of the presentation this evening. And then behind me in no particular order. We've got our deputy director of water resources. Dave Wheeler. We have our newest member of the team. Marisa. Who's our storm water superintendent. Jane. Who is our drinking water superintendent. And Bob Fisher, who is our wastewater superintendent. I think I got everybody. Great. It's just one thing I wanted to point out. So I sort of color coded these. We're doing pretty well right now as far as having positions filled. We're doing pretty well right now as far as having positions of the 39 current. So feeling pretty good about that. So again, very quick overview of the department. Like I said, this is highway. Parks maintenance. And then storm water wastewater and drinking water. So I wanted to give you an idea of the infrastructure that is within public works. And so we put some numbers up here. You know, for our 39 employees and 20,000 residents, we've got over 2000 water valves. 120 miles of drinking water pipe. We have 32 wastewater pump stations. Which is the most of any municipality in the state. About 18 miles of force main 75 miles of gravity pipe, almost 80 miles of storm water pipe. We maintain about 86 miles of road. About 50 miles of sidewalk 21 miles of shared use path. 12 and a half miles of on-road bike facilities and. 367 or so. Acres of park and open space, depending what you count. So quite a bit of space, quite a bit to do. Quite a bit of infrastructure to maintain. So I'm going to go through each division. And go through sort of the template. I think you're used to. You've seen from other divisions and departments so far. Go over some successes. Highlight of the budget proposals on the revenue expenditure side for each. Talk a little bit about what's in the capital improvement plan. And what we're requesting this year. And then highlight some emerging issues and kind of spot light. I have a positive thing within that division. And then I'll pause at the end of each section here for Q&A. So first up, I've got highway and parks. It is. Good job, Tim. So a couple of the successes in fiscal year 22 and so far in 23. We did quite a bit of local road paving in 22. I'm not going to read that list. But it's at least a portion of the budget. I'm not going to read that list. But it's at least a portion of all of those roads, or if not the whole thing in line striping in fiscal year 23. We've done section. We've paved section three of four on Dorset Street. That is from Garden Street to Aspen Drive. That was recently completed. And wanted to also mention of repaired a section of shared use path in Samansky Park near Stone Hedge. So council included a new line item for this. Fiscal year. It was $30,000 for maintenance and paths. And we repaired this and a section of no one farm road. There was a route causing some issues with the shared use path. So we spent that budget up real quick this year. Gets a request for more there in a moment. Yeah. So it's wonderful to be able to have the resources to do that. And I can stop while I'm getting ahead of myself here. But in the first two months of the year, we've been able to identify those two issues. Well, I'm not sure I'm going to get those up to correct those two issues. So that more identified for the future as well. But let's see, back to the presentation. So on the highway and park side, I've got FY 22 actuals the current year fiscal year 23 budget and what we're proposing for 24. You're going to see a decrease there. That is primarily due to a grant. Previous years had grants, a paving grant that we are not proposing to get in 24. Although you never know. Moving on to expenditure. So I've broken out the highway and the park's maintenance as shown in the budget books that everybody has Here a couple things I want to call out and again, you've heard this from other divisions So a lot of employee benefits were shifted from the admin light items directly into the division budgets So for the highway budget, that's another six hundred and sixty thousand dollars roughly of why you see that number got so much Larger there. That's just from shifting health insurance pension, etc We've included another fifteen thousand dollars or requesting another fifteen thousand dollars or consult consulting services line item This is primarily to help with public requests for traffic counts vehicle speed measurements Intersection analysis we get quite a few requests from around the city And we're looking for a way to better respond to those So one of the things that Eric and I are working on this way to prioritize those requests But once prioritized we also want to make sure we have the dollars in the budget to actually do a little bit of engineering analysis to Kind of figure out what's going on where we're going to move those forward Another small note we kind of reallocated some of our software So there's a chunk of our software fees that the highway division pays and then other divisions pay them back So when you look through the budget, you'll see a big increase in that line item It's just the way we've allocated software And then what I mentioned so we're Requesting or proposing a ten thousand dollar increase in that bike head maintenance line item We'd like to do a little bit more with that. We've got a variety of things identified We'd like to move forward in the coming years So some items that's separate from penny for paths. It is so pennies for path does not pay for That is new pads nothing Asked you to start putting it in the budget. So thank you And then primarily in the parks expenditure if it's just that shifting of the benefits from admin over to parks Is this the big change in numbers? You'll see there Yeah, that's what yes, yes question on that slide So I'm seeing the increase from the 23 to 24 about 1.2 million and you're speaking to about half of that increase From the shift give you have a general idea of the other half for that 1.2 million Yep, thought the big red binder in case we got specific line item questions I mean you put you on the spot Tom. I can come back to that next time, too So I'm assuming you probably don't have this in front of you, but this is on the finance Page of the website where you can go and you look at all the line items each one I meant to count up how many line items we have in public works It's quite a few as we went through to build the budget, but I think You're gonna see quite a bit in the In the well if you look in the top part, so it's broken out now too, which is nice There's the capital portions broken out operating and then staff portion I think you're gonna see the majority of those increases up in the kind of admin piece there salaries and things of that nature And that's as I go through the different line items, I have a slight increase in winter salt And in fuel because fuel prices have gone up. So you'll see a couple liners related to fuel $17,000 there Although hopefully they they have gone down and they'll stay down. So maybe You'll have budgeted enough. Yes, hoping the right number Yeah, I mentioned the 10 grand bike pad and then I've got the tree care line item here That's just our standard line item the arborist uses. You'll see an increase in that one as well Okay, thanks a little bit about what is in the highway and parks capital improvement plan or our CIP So one of the things we're just getting started is on started on is an expansion of the public works facility We need some additional storage for equipment. So it's under a roof We're proposing to also add electric vehicle charging stations So we're pretty excited about that is a next step to electrifying our fleet We need the charging stations in place We have a variety of vehicles that we think we may be able to go electric with Kind of the small pickup trucks and just kind of the run-around town vehicles Vehicle I use for example a little Ford escape We could convert those over time to electric as long as we have a station to charge a map But as time goes on we can also look at some of our bigger vehicles We've already been looking at kind of the smaller tools and equipment as well. So that's exciting And then our public works facility is within our It's a three acre site, but it's covered under our MS for permit And so we're proposing to do some stormwater treatment practices on the site is required by that permit It'll help us meet some of our targets for phosphorus reduction We have some significant fleet purchases in there. So we're posing to replace a sidewalk plow plow truck and a mower We had two additional Sidewalk plows in the budget which we move to a future budget year to keep overall cost down But we do have two sidewalk plows that are sort of up in their schedule We try to keep those in a seven to nine year rotation. So they're in good working condition We were comfortable bumping those another year or two at the moment. So we kind of push those back And paving in our capital improvement plan. So we are looking at here is paving of local roads In FY 24 and then the final section of Dorset Street in FY 25 So that final section of Dorset Street is going to be quite expensive We are thinking maybe around a million dollars So once we get an engineering cost estimate, we may hold back some dollars in FY 24 paving to make sure we can cover that in 25 Ash tree replacing program. So at the moment, we were looking at originally like a hundred and fifty thousand dollar request But we've paired that back at the moment to fifty thousand To replace our we have nearly six hundred ash trees still in the city right away So we'd like to make a little more progress replacing those before the emerald ash borer Comes in and kind of wreaks havoc and kills those trees And then our signal replacement. So back on October 3rd You may recall we were here talking about replacing all the signals on Dorset Street So additional funding for that project is included here in FY 24 per that conversation Yes. Yeah, I know that the natural resources And conservation committee that they have been actively seeking to find something instead of the tree replacement program that They came forward Requesting some ARPA funds from from the council for Can you provide some some additional information regarding, you know That negotiation between our arborist and the nrcc as far as the the tree replacement program versus The treatment which is much less than fifty thousand dollars Sure, so I will note there's a fourth grant that wasn't on your consent agenda this evening related to this That mr. Wheeler is working on so I don't know if it'll be next meeting But you'll see some information about that an upcoming meeting to see if we can bring in some grant dollars to help pay for this But it's been difficult for us to put together a solid plan We need because of the costs associated here with it and knowing whether we're going to be working with a fifty thousand or a hundred fifty thousand dollar budget really changes At a hundred fifty thousand dollars we can run through a replacement program in like six years if that's fifty obviously that's considerably longer And so we've been trying to find ways to add treatment in We're still hesitant to recommend a large scale treatment We're thinking we're going to pick some select areas Where the trees the ash trees are in very good condition and perhaps make a suggestion or proposal that that's where we focus those efforts But I don't have anything yet, and I don't want to say more than that We need to circle back with the committee and talk a little further with them on this issue Second question, and I've already emailed you about this And you you you've let me know that several several neighborhoods are Very fond of having kind of the the radars for the speed and you know Sensitive areas, and I'm thinking about White Street with Chamberlain School I'm thinking about Proctor Avenue with Rice High School And there might be other places that you would suggest as well Since you're a better place to know where those residents are you know Reaching out from and you it said five thousand dollars would be Kind of the the cost of those you know small signs that would read the speed of the cars Is that something that we could include in this budget? And I just wanted to put it out there for us to think about because I You know we all Go ahead. I'm sorry I thought I remembered reading it in one of the presentations So we do have those included at this point in the CIP for White Street I don't have other in the radars the I think I added that in we did the CIP I put a little extra funding in there good. Okay. All right So there I think I'll go back and double-checking if they're not I'll clarify that with you, but I believe I included them for White Street in the CIP for that extra if it was five grand Yes, I don't have other locations in mind at the moment But that kind of gets back to that consulting line item where I really want to have a way to take all these requests Prioritize them right make a decision about what needs to be done and then fund them through a capital program over time I'm in a very kind of linear and predictable process Fabulous and I know that there was some issues with the battery is Is it gonna be solar powered or is there gonna be a waste you don't have to come out every week to Change the battery. That's part of the expense the the ones we have now are battery powered those batteries last Three days. I'll see if Adam makes a face when I say that we got to replace them So it's constantly going back out and replacing batteries five days But yeah, we have this if we install them with solar panels on the batteries They obviously we don't have to maintain them, but it's just an added expense in our current equipment doesn't have that we can move them around Okay, but every five days that's an added expense too, I would think absolutely But it's what we have at the moment from equipment perspective and it allows us to move them I'm gonna be more difficult to move them around if they had solar panels attached Okay, so the one on white street would be moved potentially wouldn't be it wouldn't be permanent. That's proposed as permanent All right. Thank you Okay, carry on. Yes, okay So resources requested I have kind of mentioned some of the line items already But I guess the big request from the highway and parks maintenance perspective is the addition of a parks maintenance staff person We are working to summarize and sort of total up or additional areas of park acreage and sort of the time It takes us to maintain all the city's parks And then what we see on the horizon is new developments come online and that infrastructure that park infrastructure is turned over to The city so we'll have that summary for you in the future But recently I did add up the city's road mileage to talk about and just kind of demonstrate how We're going to be looking for sort of labor side related requests this year and next Because of the additional road mileage is just one example and that comes along with sideways sidewalks and things of that nature We have not added an employee in the highway division since 2000 That's as far back as I went and looked We did add some stormwater Staff when we created the stormwater utility in 2005 and six and we recently added a horticulture specialist But otherwise sort of the numbers within the highway department remain static Similarly in parks other than the horticultural specialist of rain static over many years Well, this is the additional Parks maintenance staff person would they be able to or is that in a study? Be able to sort of proactively estimate Let's say we find some open space that we want to buy and we buy it and it's There's a cost to that in terms of The maintenance of that would this person or someone in that department be able to say as we discuss the purchase of something that our estimate For maintaining that piece of property and mowing it or whatever it needs to be done to it Would be X so we kind of know going in Yeah, that's a really good question. So that's something we're moving towards we started moving towards it this year In fact, if you look in the CIP, there's a little box at the top that talks about sort of maintenance and what we think it's gonna cost We started to fill that in for some things We want to do a better job of that next year for future CIP projects But that those type of estimates would be done by myself or Erica or Adam or you know, whichever our superintendents I guess the project's related to we're trying to figure out the best metric for doing that I know I had pulled some information nationally But we just haven't gone back through to pull that all together yet, but we are headed that direction Well, that include, you know parks and open spaces that developments put in in their proposal and then along with the roads, you know six years later or whatever it is The city they bequeath it to us with all the carrying costs, which is, you know, great Then there's all this carrying costs that we haven't necessarily Funded or thought about so we you'll be able to that would be included in that conversation That's a great point because we were talking on a CIP level But if we are accepting private infrastructure as public infrastructure, we need to determine the point at which we have that Conversation so we'll be able to make those estimates in the future once we have a little more time to work through it But yeah, when when do we have those conversations? I guess Well, I think it would be helpful before we accept the gift of a Little dog park or a playground or something To know what our responsibility is and and the cost and liability and that kind of stuff Because it could add up if every new development has a couple acres of stuff that they Yes, yes, but but that's just as one of those pieces. That's how we get all those new roads that we maintain You know, and I recall our conversations with Stonehouse That was called Stonehouse off Hinesburg Road and their roads were too steep and cobblestone Excuse me too steep to narrow and we opted not to Take them over although most developments as I understand it we do after a period of time So if I can just jump in from it I just want to remind the council that this is part of why we have Erica now this Erica was a Erica's position was a position we added in you all added in in last year's budget trying to connect that Capital infrastructure whether we are building it or the private sector is building and we're taking it on To what the ongoing investments are going to be needed over time and really embed that in public works initially I think it is an open question how we at what point in a permitting or land use planning process We have those conversations with the private sector developers, but certainly as Tom alluded We're doing that actively now You know Thomas spent a lot of time and Erica spent a lot of time with a lot of thinking about the bike Ped bridge and what that's going to cost to maintain over time. So we're very clear with the community about what those needs are going into That kind of capital investment, right? But there's all these little things that really creep up and all of a sudden it's The tipping point we've been talking about Pardon the tipping point. We've been talking exactly. Yeah. Yeah, and this time goes on I hope to have more charts and graphs like this to show you how we've added over the years We're just starting to pull that information together in this budget cycle. So stay tuned Thank you It's a couple of merging issues So I think I already mentioned it but paving needs Kennedy Drive section 4 is going to be very expensive It's planned for fiscal year 25. Obviously, we're here to talk about 24 We may need to hold back some paving dollars in 24 to help fund that in 25 So and then we're working on updating a city-wide pavement condition assessment Erica and others have worked on getting us the software and house and getting out and kind of re-evaluating roads So we can see kind of how we're doing on a city-wide basis and now our our roads and streets are doing from a pavement perspective I mentioned the parks employee request in FY 24 So again in the highway division, I also mentioned that we're going to more than likely be coming back in 25 I'm looking to add somebody there because it has been a while and that'll help us really Deal with the things like line-striping and pothole filling and things of that nature SG management plan. We also already talked about I don't want to belabor any of these since we've covered them, but those are some of our emerging issues and Our spotlight issue so very happy with this slide Due to investment in our equipment and staff training Things like that. We are really trying to drive down how much salt we use in the winter Well, obviously maintaining, you know safe roads for everybody But if we can buy equipment that allows us to scrape the roads better for example It requires less salt for us to actually melt off what's left. So in the photo here, you see the orange plow But it's the plow behind the plow. It's that little black thing there It's like these individual little fingers that stick down and get in all the pavement grooves And they really help scrape the ice and snow off the road after the main plow And that allows us to reduce the application rate of salt. So On the chart there you can see what we've done by winter and I've got kind of a three-year rolling average as well because You know winters are highly variable, but since 2014 we've really been able to drive down The cost of this per lane mile. So that's something we're pretty happy with and we're going to continue those efforts and As we replace equipment. Well, we'll do more of this in the newer equipment. I Thought that was really neat. I read that aloud to my husband When I was going through this So that was our highway division I'll just go back here for a second unless there's anything else in highway and parks maintenance Otherwise, I'm going to move on to our stormwater division. Oh Bob So I do not know if I have a spear street widening project while I have we've got a Path in there, but I don't know that I have anything for widening of spear street proposed for FY 24 We've got quite a bit in there on the bike and pet side, I guess like right Maybe you should come up to the Well a knowledgeable resident Can you Little button Well, it has to be bright green. Oh bright green. Wow So Bob Britt three Adams court and just That that road is the number one commuting route most traffic for bicycles for commuters for transportation and We are trying to build a Parallel path that is non that that's off-road. It's threat, you know through the Hubbard Park and through You know the new sport spear meadows all the way through South Point and South Village So that's progressing well But that road is used by so many people so many connections to neighborhoods It needs traffic calming because people go 4550 on a 35 mile an hour road But it's I just wanted to see if it was in the CIP anymore and if it's not sort of why not Okay, thank you for raising that is now a good time to comment on that. Yeah, so it is no longer in the CIP I think it's because we're talking more about the off-road facility for bikes, but that is certainly something we can go back and discuss If that's still the committee's desire, that's still a priority. We have quite a bit in there And we're kind of jumping between the highway and the bike and yeah, yeah To that we remember Bob won't let us forget Anything else my highway parks maintenance side No All right, so I'm gonna jump over to our stormwater utility stormwater is an enterprise fund, right? So not general fund So there we go Again following the presentation format for key successes and fiscal year 22 and then so far this year We have finished up the muddy brook culvert replacement project that is on our border with wilson kimball avenue So we replaced the failed culvert that caused a shutdown the temporary bridge And that included an additional shared use path to connect over to future path in wilson So great project. We're very happy with that as a photo of it on the bottom of the screen there Spear street gravel wetland That is a large public private partnership stormwater project with the burlington country club off of spear street The photo on the right is sort of construction phase of that So that's the gravel constructed wetlands dug out now They're putting in the stones so the water will flow through all that stone Treatment and there'll be wetland plants and stuff put on top of that stone layer eventually But that was a great partnership. We have paused construction on there for winter We'll finish that up in the spring and summer And it received about 375 thousand dollars in grants We received over 800 thousand dollars in grants to do engineering work associated with the three acre rule or three acre permit So that is some projects that are city And then again a number of public private partnerships with condo associations and businesses where our permit was issued to both entities I just wanted to make a note that all of these things together are really a big part of what we're doing for climate resiliency So, you know slowing the water down treating it dealing with flood issues making these culverts Whenever we replace them bigger Allowing for aquatic organism passage things of that nature So I know we've talked about it at council before councils talked about it quite a bit But I think the stormwater division in their work does does a lot to improve our climate resiliency I skied this spear street gravel pit today I almost went down the hill But I could see the gravel at the bottom. It was kind of like exposed And I didn't want to hit that on my cross country's and then fall face first into it So I'll wait till there's more snow, but you created a really good, you know, obstacle there to On the golf course with your skiing. So thank you. There will be plantings and fences and things of that nature So, uh stormwater budget again same format as highway There's really no major differences. Uh, the reduction here in revenue is associated with just grant revenue between what was Anticipated in 23 and proposed in 24 depending how construction falls a lot of the time Where that income actually comes in may be in either fiscal year, but that's the major difference there Similarly with stormwater expenditures any change there is just due to capital project spending So the projects go to construction obviously we're proposing we have some going on in 23 not as much in 24 So there was no nothing that jumped out there that I felt I would note on the slides Um, what is in the stormwater cip? Uh, so again, as I mentioned a lot of stormwater treatment practice design Uh, we still have these flow restoration plans and our stormwater impaired watersheds lake shampoen phosphorus tmdl So we have to reduce the amount of phosphorus leaving the city entering the lake A whole lot of engineering and design associated with those types of projects is ongoing Um in fy 24, we've got three projects that we believe will be going out to bid for construction It's kind of Expanding and rebuilding existing stormwater ponds Two on kennedy drive and one off route seven the Bartlett bay stormwater treatment system That was actually the city's first capital project and we started the utility Uh, we have a project whereby we're going to bring additional water to that area kind of on the other side of Bartlett bay road So that's exciting even working through some right of way there. We're about wrapping that up Uh, engineering and design associated with the culvert under Bartlett bay road. You can see in the photo there. It's perched It's undersized. Um, this has been on our list for a little while A number of years really to to get the engineering work done. Uh, we've had some preliminary work done I think you probably saw that in the grant application. I referred to you earlier But so that is on our fy 24 to-do list is to really get into the engineering design of that Uh, outfall repair there are requirements in our ms4 permit to stabilize outfalls around the city So we've got some money set aside for that and of course some fleet purchases in stormwater Uh, we're placing one of our vacuum trucks that cost is going to be split with the wastewater division Replacing a street sweeper and a one ton truck Is that um, also, uh, used with shellburn. Do they rent it? Is it that piece of equipment the vacuum truck? Yes, um, we do still work with shellburn and kind of we'll send our vacuum truck and employees out and then bill them For kind of cleaning storm drains or street sweeping. So, yes How old is our vacuum truck now that we have? Oh boy, adam, are you still there? That's the level of detail our operations manager may have to answer for you. I'd have to open our large fleet plan Yeah, the we have two actually and the oldest one that's slated to be replaced is at 2011 I think our newest one is an 18 and the older one as you can imagine it lives in a wet environment and the whole the machine constantly works both in wastewater and in stormwater and it's a wet environment so that Typically they tend to rot from the inside out just because of the nature of what they do. So It's we endeavor to try to replace our stuff at eight years and so we're actually beyond that with this vehicle Um, we may hopefully Replace it next year But with supply issues it may not happen just because there's such a long lead time with these specialty vehicles So but we're trying to get it in the queue now for wastewater and those for stormwater I would say it's equal. I mean we've got we used to clean pump stations, you know sewer lines as well There's a hose that cleans out pipe on the front of it to that big spool In front of the piece that goes down. Okay. All right, thanks Um, let's see. So talking about resources requested now. So in stormwater a very modest request for a rate increase 1.64 percent Uh, the chart there. I know some people like to talk dollars and some like to talk percent So if you like to talk dollars, it's the blue line and the left axis if you like to think in percentages is the I guess that's purple on my screen and the right axis But you can see stormwater has generally had a small rate increases over time Part of that is the grant funding we've been able to secure for stormwater projects, which we'll talk about in a second But this 1.6 percent increase That would make the proposed rate for f y 24 7 dollars and 44 cents per eru or equivalent residential unit And that would be an annual increase of a dollar 44 cents for a typical homeowner Um emerging issues on the stormwater side So we had three streams that were recently Classified as chloride impaired Engels be potash and centennial brooks. So now they're on a list to receive a tmdl So that's something we're keeping our eye on certainly And then compliance with the three acre permit. I mentioned it earlier Some of those deadlines are fast approaching. I think one of them is coming up in january And so that impacts not only Also in the municipal side, but also a lot of private property Certainly around south burlington and around the state of vermont as well And where is the chloride coming from? Generally speaking, it's understood to be a salt application application from winter deicing And that's of course not just roads a lot of private property does similar so Um And again, we alluded to this a minute ago But uh, one of the reasons we're able to request such small rate increases on the stormwater side Is just the success that the stormwater division has had Obtaining grant funding. So just under 13 million in grant funding since uh, 2005 that uh, the division has been awarded Uh, so really happy with that and hopefully these grants you approve this to apply for tonight I'll just keep adding to the total Let me stop there any stormwater questions Do you know do they use salt at the airport or do they have something else? I don't know what they use at the airport Clyde call for deicing But you know they're parking lots. I would assume they use salt as well. Just like everybody else does Yeah, is there any um kind of educational initiative occurring around that? So there is um, uh, we've certainly talked to Various private property owners about it Um a solution to that has to include private property. So when I say solution sort of reductions I'm and it's going to take a number of years to But you'll see as you walk around if you look this winter kind of the After a storm those parking lots in the city that are kind of white from salt application That's kind of an over application assault Um, and so there is an important education component there that yeah And that may be something that we're required to do in a future ms4 permit And I think we've talked about and done a little bit of already Thank you Can I just ask um Has there been maybe I should suggest a Discussion or a consideration at some point for all of these special, um enterprise collections of money that um We also think I know In some of the charts were the lowest of Chittenden county or the state or something we charge very little which is great But we don't seem to have a um a funding mechanism for replacement of things that um I thought we had I mean I I was under the impression that our enterprise funds Really were there to pay for so we didn't really have to bond when we needed to build a new facility But that's not the case and I'm just wondering if we should consider You know as a community Um a way to start Saving some of that money so the bonding can be less So I'm curious your thoughts on that Tom. I think the council has started doing that this year with the capital reserve policy Which enables us to roll cip dollars Year to year and not just return them to fund balance The enterprise funds do have their own own fund balances that are in theory exactly what you're talking about our ability to um invest in capital without Big spikes in rates when we need those investments made. I think the challenge is especially for things like wastewater, um Those dollar figures are just so Significant that the the dollars we would have to be accumulating pre taking on debt service um To you know raise 34 million dollars for example to do this upgrade are significant But I think the step that the council took to do the cip reserve policy will help us Offset some of that and smooth out that either Tax rate need or or utility rate need over time Tom do you have a different No, I guess I would agree and that would be a great conversation to have to date. We haven't done that in a major way, uh, you know the fund balance and wastewater right now is about two million dollars and Jesse mentioned the cost to some of these capital improvements So I would say if we were going to do that previously we would have had to be talking rate increases Before now Oh, yeah, and we haven't been but we can certainly But change going forward and now that we've sort of re-event a little bit our cip process I think we can do that in a much better way too Yeah, I mean I think over time you just have to collect a little bit It helps I mean because you know we build a new plant and we don't need another one for 25 or 30 years so We don't necessarily have to be the bottom of the rate for the state In my mind, I mean it's great, but I also think The investment is especially as we grow I mean we want all this industry and Homes and things and so Some of our needs expand faster than other communities. Yeah, it seems I just was looking up the propylene glycol and Couldn't we have our economic development committee reach out to our community businesses and encourage them to switch from salt including home-based businesses To this propylene glycol it's I just Yeah, I think it could be a nice way for them to It's in within their charge Sure, I wouldn't be opposed to having them get I'll just mention the airport has a collection system For the propylene glycol that just doesn't get discharged to streams. It goes through and uh, I think it's an infiltration gallery, Dave Correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah Yeah, so it's it's not the kind of thing that you would just want to spray and let sort of wash off I think you'd be trading sort of one pollutant for another Um, I'm sure there's a cost component that's for de-icing but that's for de-icing. I think what do they use on the runways? That's probably some kind of chloride Yeah, probably they do use kind of salt. Oh, I will I will find out I can call nick and find out. I don't know We've never really talked about what is applied To the runways. I don't know it says it's for good for streets. It's pet saved. I don't know It's not just for de-icing what I've seen here What what's where did the run where the runways drain to do they drain back towards potash brook or on the other side? Large property so centennial brook. Some of it goes to the winooski. I know some of the Overflows go towards the winooski river towards our airport parkway plant. Okay, uh, some of it goes towards muddy brook So depending where you're standing on that giant property. Yeah big piece of property But so I think this is a good conversation to have and we may be having it sooner than later Anyway, due to the impairments the chloride impairments in our streams So we can come back with more information on this type of thing I'm gonna keep going then into the wastewater division So starting off with our kind of key successes recently So in fy 22 Three pump stations got refurbished oak creek village. I got some new pumps and larger diameter and pipe to improve flows out of there Um, and then we also did work in valley ridge. That's completely rebuilt. You can see that With so much of our infrastructure, you know, you don't see what it is from the ground level because a lot of it's underground So that's just a control panel out front and then a pump station on spear street rebuilt with new panel and controls Um back in april, uh, bob and I were here talking about a need for repairs at our headworks building in airport parkway So since then those repairs have by and large been completed We were talking this morning about some repairs just that are left in the grit chamber and some welding But that was successfully done. So we're pretty pleased with that that'll improve throughout our processes Kind of be able to screen that material out right as it enters the plant Doesn't foul up processes and pumps and things later on in the in the treatment process Um Moving on to revenue So pretty good increase in revenue shown for f y 24 A lot of that is a reserve transfer in for engineering work associated with the Bartlett bay plant Upgrade, uh, but also we are anticipating some additional revenue In wastewater due to development in the city. We've issued quite a few allocations Um, do again due to the nature of growth in south burlington and those allocations, of course, uh, folks pay for those as well So that is what constitutes the increase there. You see on the revenue side for wastewater Uh on the expenditure side Uh, we've got Well, we recently got costs back. So we are part of the consortium around jitten and county that buys chemicals Uh for wastewater plants some significant increases there So the group bulk buying gets us kind of a better rate But even so, uh, we've seen some big increases in the caustic soda and lime line item Which is used to adjust pH through the treatment process Uh, also alum a significant increase in alum that is used at airport parkway That is important. It really kind of binds up the phosphorus. It's injected into the waste stream helps bind up the phosphorus and removes Um it in the treatment process so that is not discharged to the lake And so I'm just going to put a note there on the spotlight slide how we've done for phosphorus removal in a few minutes But those are some of the big increases on the wastewater side fiscal proposal fiscal year 24 What is in the wastewater cip again the Bartlett bay wastewater treatment facility upgrade Uh, so that includes the plant plant upgrade For pump stations nearby the plant and solids management and handling We talked about that back in october. We're going to talk about it again after this for the bond Unnecessity hearing so I don't want to spend too much time on it right now We have a twin oaks pump station upgrade Then there's some debt payment line items in the cip For a previous upgrade to airport parkway and had the road pump station And then again that fleet purchase splitting that vacuum truck with the storm water division And then uh, so due to all that this is sort of those chemical cost increases And planning ahead for costs of the plant upgrade We're proposing an 8.3 percent increase In uh in the wastewater rate for fy 24 So again the blue line if you'd like to talk in straight dollars Costs for a thousand gallons that is the left axis if you prefer percentages That is the yellow line in the right axis and so I'm going to focus on the yellow line for a moment. Um, you could see that large spike where it was It was over 25 percent increase that was associated right with when we did the the airport parkway plant upgrade So there was a major increase there to help pay for that since then Our increases have been quite low Um, and so this is sort of our largest increase in a while at 8 percent. It's been below five The proposals and approvals have been but this proposed increase would uh make the rate 48 and 20 cents per a thousand cubic feet and Roughly result in a $30 annual increase for a typical homeowner Um Counselor real mentioned this earlier. So I included this slide in here our rates. So this is fy 22 data This is uh, the last time we collected it Our wastewater and supertended called around and got data and then converted it to a normalized format here But you can see us all the way on the right. So currently we are The lowest for a single family homeowner our rates are lowest in the area in the state as far as we know And I you know, I don't know what folks in the other communities are doing this year But I imagine they're also going to have a fairly significant increases as well in their proposals for fy 24 budgets Uh, and then our emerging issues. So chemical costs went up We're hoping they don't continue to go up at the 50 rate. We saw We actually use two different chemicals at each plant alum at airport parkway pack at Bartlett bay the pack Did not go up. We're wondering if that's going to happen in the near future Um, and there's not a lot we can do about that those increases Uh, though we could discuss using less of those chemicals though result in uh more phosphorus discharge to the lake So we can talk more about that in a second when I get through the rest of the slide here Always keeping an eye on biosolids regulation So our airport parkway plant takes all the solids from Bartlett bay and airport parkway. We produce a Exceptional quality or ecu class a biosolid But we have seen proposals in the legislature over recent years That would kind of restrict what these materials can be used for And that's due to concerns over PFAS and microplastics and the like. So that's something we're always keeping an eye on We talked about the bond vote for the wastewater plant I wanted to mention again, we've got a rate study. We're currently working on so in the near future I'll be back here with the consultant to talk about our rates and sort of some planning Related to what we were talking about going forward And then um pump station upgrades. We're always going to be doing pump station upgrades. I think Every year from public works and wastewater. You'll be hearing us here talking about pump stations because we have 32 of them With a design life of about 20 25 years. There's at least one up every year Congratulations to bob fisher and wilson shepard So I snuck even though those aren't emerging issues. I didn't want to have two spotlight slides So I snuck their awards on this slide so that I also had space to show you this So the emerging issue is is we're you're getting more awards. That's right. It's a real issue Bob's running out of wall space We like those kinds of issues So to go back to that conversation I was putting a pin in so this Chart shows the phosphorus coming into our two wastewater plants in blue and pounds and then the orange Line is sort of the phosphorus that leaves the plant. So you can see the major reduction there By permit we are allowed to discharge about 2700 pounds a year. We're currently discharging 300 ish 350 whatever Average there is And a lot of that is by using some of those chemicals. I mentioned earlier the alum in the pack So if we were concerned about costs, we could have a discussion about Dialing back that line item and not using as much of that that would in turn Increase the amount of phosphorus we're sending to the lake. We would still put us within our permit thresholds We've always operated on doing the absolute best job we can Removing as much phosphorus as we can to benefit lake champlain But it is a conversation we could have that was council's desire What are we allowed to discharge? I miss the 20 2786 Wow Yeah, uh tom fully support what we're doing, but i'm curious with the cost How much do you think if we wanted to go to the maximum amount would we possibly save the city? Not that I want to do that, but i'm just kind of curious what you think we're spending in excess to further clean up the lake That's tricky Pre-treatment before 2000 you are putting out 10% of what like what are we talking about? It's not worth it the alum line item proposed for 24 is 280 thousand dollars And that's up significantly 100 000 from fy 23, which is 180 and that is due to the just the cost of the chemical Um, and so again, it's a conversation we could have it's something we'd have to think about and come back to you on With the actual savings there, but just I don't want to have that conversation for one I just want to know how magnanimous we are It gives back to us we drink it Yeah, so are the pounds of phosphorus entering the the plants is that just Proportional to the amount of waste water that you receive generally speaking. Yeah, and you know up years and down years So anything on wastewater before I move to drinking water And then I think that's the last division you have to hear from me before I turn it over to Erica Hopefully I haven't chewed up all your time Erica. I would much prefer we spend time educating people not to put phosphorus on their lawns That's what I you know, that would be little money compared to Um, so moving on to drinking water Um so Uh, just recent successes again, uh radio read units. We've continued our program to install these across the city Having these units reduces the time required to manually read the meters kind of avoids mistakes for misreading things of that nature Uh required maintenance Um, it's not the most exciting thing to talk about but it's very important We have some aging infrastructure Not only in waste water, but certainly in water as well So they operated and kind of maintained over 1500 mainline valves flushed every fire hydrant in the city I should have wrote down how many we have I don't recall but It's quite a few it takes quite a bit of time And then we've started some engineering on some really exciting capital projects One is the addition of water storage in the high service area another is an interconnection with the Champlain water district Transmission main behind the umal it's sort of in the interstate right away back there So we have a connection there, but we're going to improve that Um, and that'll help serve uh city center and sort of help us be able to route Different ways ways water can get to city center in different ways if something were to happen So kind of looping our system and then pipe extension in that same area to achieve the same goal Um Getting into the revenue side So our revenue increase here is assuming just a 1 increase in the volume of water sold We're going to talk about it again in the capital projects. We are required by Regulation to do a lead service line survey. It's going to be an expensive project We don't anticipate finding a lot of lead service fines in south burlington But it's it's something we have to do and so that's in our cip But we do anticipate receiving a grant to help offset some of those costs so that you'll see that in the revenue And then similar to wastewater, we have a transfer in from reserve To help pay for some engineering work associated with those capital projects I just mentioned we did some preliminary engineering on it. How do you figure out? Whether a service line is led without digging it up So you review records and if you don't have records you may have to dig it up Okay Hence the cost Whoa, okay, so we're we're pursuing different ways and you know different consultants and ways to manage that This is a younger city than some places Are these records all paper or some of them of electronic digitalized? Jay, how much of this have we digitized our service line? Our system is dated on 1930s Okay, so the oldest section wilson road 1940 shelbert road 1930s We don't expect because we only had one Superintendent from 1945 to 1978 And he always said we didn't ever let it was always copper Unfortunately, that doesn't help us with the state with the federal requirements. So we have to go out and prove it Okay, thank you On the expenditure side So we when I built this budget and and turned it into martha and jesse We were assuming a significant rate increase From the champlain water district So we purchased water from the champlain water district and then distributed and sell it to our south burlington customers This budget was built assuming just over an eight percent rate increase from them Actually, last week we got information. It was actually proposed to be nine and a half percent So that's what's currently in the budget though and then there was an increase in associated with the capital projects. I mentioned So again the capital projects on the water side Water storage capacity that area highlight in blue on the right. That is the high service area So it's the majority of the city Is served in the high service area And that is the tank on doors or the water tower in dorset street tank I mentioned interconnection We are continuing with the water meter replacement program You'll see a line item in the cip for that led service line survey We just talked about and then some debt payment for previous investments in the city's water system You'll also see those recurring debt payments, which are ending soon And then um, so I switched the colors on this chart on you. I don't know why I did it from the other two I guess to make sure you're still still paying attention But yeah, the gray line in this case that is if you like to look at the dollars And then the blue line in this chart is percent increase And so the scale on this one is different. It only goes up to 12 percent Different from the wastewater chart, but we are proposing an eight and a half percent rate increase here To deal with some of our planned capital projects replacement of aging infrastructure And um And the like that that'll result in a 36 dollar 21 cent per 1000 cubic foot rate And that would be about a 23 dollar annual increase for a typical homeowner At the eight and a half percent proposed increase Similar chart to what I showed you for wastewater, but this is uh rates for drinking water again south burlington is the lowest That we found when we called around for fy 22 rates Similarly, we expect others are going to have significant rate increases Especially now that we know you know folks that are served water through the Champlain water district and that nine and a half percent increase Uh, that'll likely get passed through to customers in all municipalities that are served by that Um and then I think I talked about it already led so emerging issues It's just our aging infrastructure at the led service line And then we'll be back or i'll be back And j i'll be with me and probably a consultant or two to talk about some of these capital projects We are tentatively planning a bond vote On those for town meeting day 2024. So that's sort of on the horizon here But I hope you're back soon to talk to you more about the capital projects. What is that hole in that pipe? That's a that's a water pipe, right? Yeah, j what caused that one do you recall? Oh, yeah On the other side Was there another pipe touching this pipe some other type of pipe? No So water was just leaking out of this thing So you said hot soil. What did that? What does that mean? Okay, whatever it was. Oh Yeah And just the spotlight item here for uh, the wait the water division So water division employees using technology to improve their operations. They have these valve actuators As part of their asset management program So, uh, kind of it turns the valve on its own so reduces the physical Kind of employees constantly turning valves reducing back and shoulder injuries Makes it a little easier for them And it turns the valves at a preset kind of torque to give an accurate count of rotation Something they need to know if they have to go out there and turn a valve They like to know how many times they have to turn it Uh, we want for to open or close it Um, is it memorized where it is has a GPS in it So it knows when you're there that it's going to be 30 turns Unfortunately, no, but we do have that in our asset management program. We're building that out more and more Next next model And so before I turn it over to erica, I guess I'll pause there for any questions on the water budget You're thinking about putting the new storage Next to the current storage on dorsus street Yes because of the height I don't want to get too much into it because I want to come back and talk in much more detail about this Um, but that is the location we have in mind that there is space there. We do have the physical ground space. Yes, okay. Thanks The twin towers I'll give tom a break uh for a short while before he gives another presentation But I'm going to start with penny for paths looking at that special fund Going through the same format starting with some successes in fy 22 successful coordination with v-trans on heinsberg road to get three new crosswalks put in at Proudie Ruth Is that the other one and the trail? Um 30 rfb's were upgraded so that they are fully in compliance a lot of them It was the signs were only facing one direction. They're supposed to be back to back So that is a real improvement for safety and visibility there and The crosswalk on kennedy drive at west twin oaks terrace was also completed in fy 22 Fy 23 Um, a big thing here is that we've kicked off the transportation and land use climate action implementation plan Which we will be talking a lot about in the next year But that is a very exciting thing and uh, I think there will be a lot of coordination between penny for paths future projects with this component Um, and the bike pad committee is also very excited about this moving forward They have a representative there We are working actively towards a walk bike master plan thinking about applying To the ccrpc for their annual work program in fy 24 But you'll hear from havala and myself and the bike pad committee that they The committee is fully in support of moving forward in this and it Makes sense with timing of the comprehensive plan getting underway. And so, um, having that backing from the committee and potential funding to help with that is a big win and um, there's a rather revenue For penny for paths and in fy 25. I can't remember it was 10 years, right? But I can't remember when we did it. Um, I believe it I think it's fy 28. I have it on a future slide. Oh, okay. We'll get to it. Okay. Yeah Um, and yet the bike pad committee they have been hosting some public meetings Tim came for uh, the start of one this past week At a lot of projects that penny for paths supports So just good collaboration happening there and we are beginning a condition inventory of all of our shared use paths Much of the same that we do for our roads and that pavement creating that same data set for our shared use paths I'm going to show the Expenditures and revenues slightly differently than the previous ones because the way these balances carry forward when I was looking at them to lay it out in the kind of template I I look at the funds and I couldn't wrap my head around it clearly in two separate tables So I'm going to have it shown here so you can see how the balance changes over time looking back, um fy 21 is just kind of where I'm showing so that we can see actual spending $400,000 roughly and the balance there a lot of expenditures and fy 22 a lot of uh, big things happen there and a lot of projects under design in fy 22 that are continuing and um 23 that is what has been spent so far And plus a little bit projected for our cips and then 24 and 25 are both based on the cip plans there should be a negative in front of that 250 on fy 25 But then you can see in the note here the fy 24 revenue is based on the assumed grand list growth Talking with Martha about that and then fy 25 is just a 1% grand list growth from fy 24 So that's how the projections are done there You can see based on what we're Posing to spend we have plenty of money and the fund to continue that effort and a lot of that is there's a lot of money floating around for these types of projects and The fact that we have penny for paths is a really good Leverage point in those applications because we can provide the match So going into the fy 24 cip projects here first, um, I wanted to just let you know about one update from the last round of cip that you saw Um, there was one change. It's in a future year. So it's not impacting fy 24 There was a change in the scope of the queen city park road shared use path I've been talking with the city of berlington on their Component of it and their timeline And it made sense for us to include our full section and not just a small section that had been shown um, so in fy 27 and fy 28 and used to total to 150 thousand dollars And now it's spread out between fy 26 and fy 28 starting a little bit sooner And it is What is that up to 80k in fy 26 510 and fy 27 and 355 and fy 28 But of that it is showing that we Are proposing I should have done this math before Is this another slide that you know, this is something that um, we'll show up Is did that make it in the packet or is it just in the new budget book? There was information in the packet, but Yeah, I think it is just the cip that was uh, uploaded to the city's website has been updated to reflect the challenges that orca is talking about So I just wanted to make sure I remember to get it out there. Um, so that has increased but um, 80 percent of that is Proposed to be grant funded in there So that is in a future year Um, but so looking back at fy 24 The projects being shown here are um, the final design and construction of the dorset street shared use path We are moving through, uh, the Earlier phases of designing right away on that project Um, similar for spear street shared use path. That is just kind of like one design phase behind dorset street So we're moving through design and that um We'll go through those next phases The mary street sidewalk is now being shown in bike pad rather than city center It's highway impact fee funded rather than uh, tiff funded. So it just made sense to put it here. Um The swift street shared use path connection, uh, we have the start of design going in here for um, The little bit of connection that will need to happen when spear meadows is constructed But we imagine it might take a little bit of time because of wetland. So we wanted to start on that and um Three of the four crosswalks that we are currently in scoping studies for that are likely to be recommended to put one in at those locations Putting in $15,000 for design of those three and then construction is in the following year This is the the mary street um sidewalk We would try to get that constructed before we reopened mary street. Is that somebody talked about that yet? That's not a topic for tonight. I just wanted to Say that We can I think that that would be the goal. Um, I think a lot is not down here yet either but I think we would also Want to connect that up with the you know connectivity of garden street Right, right garden street first sidewalk and then maybe talk about it. Okay, thanks Question on the slide Yes So I don't see lime kiln road and I don't have the cip in front of me Is that still on the far out radar for a couple of years out? And do you think the penny for paths is still going to have enough resources to address any of that very expensive, uh, improvement Uh, yeah, absolutely So the phase one the one that has been designed ended up coming up a lot more expensive Is currently listed as f y 26 and f y 27 Spreading that out just to give us some more time to chase funding more than anything for that because it is a pretty hefty Uh price tag there Okay, thanks Um, so this is just a snip here of the dorset street path Which is a very exciting project making that connection between old cross and Sadie lane So penny for paths, uh We don't need more money from you. We just need you to help Continue growing the grand list is really uh what is needed here But I just wanted to know as tom mentioned penny for paths doesn't pay for maintenance According to its current pilot language So that bike had maintenance line going up to 40 000 if we want to keep Uh installing these types of facilities and we have the money to do that through penny for paths. There is There are costs that come with it that we need to be thinking about So you're recommending 40 000 for next year's budget That that's the line item in the highway budget so flowing from 30 to 40 So some emerging issues here. Oh, we actually have until f y 32 32 Um So just thinking about that as we look at That could be that has to be wrong I think we only gave it 10 years that might be the projection of when we would run out what oh spend it all Yeah, um, that was when the number hit zero on our uh projections So I think it does end in f y 28 Um and with current list of spending goes to f y 32 Um, so just thinking about that as we look for funding and my job is to think Mainly in 10 year chunks So thinking about that moving forward material costs as tom talked about Rapidly rising so um the maintenance line item doesn't go quite as far but also paths are just more expensive Especially if you want to Build them well And have a good enough sub base so that we don't have to replace them as often And the last thing here is just thinking about data We have a lot of data on other sections of our infrastructure But as shared use paths and sidewalks and crosswalks become a larger and larger portion of our infrastructure It's important that we know where they are know their condition Know how they connect or don't connect. So that's something that I've been thinking a lot about With the data that we do have Um a quick analysis showed that 86.4 percent of residential buildings in the city are within a tenth of a mile of a shared use path Disclaimer that doesn't mean that it's a tenth of a mile from a connected Fully connected section that is going to be More than a 30 minute gis exercise to get there. Um, and this isn't unit. So it's actually quite It's a higher than that if we're talking in units. This is just a residential building And uh, we already have over 20 miles of shared use path, but we have 3.2 More miles that are currently under design or are planned for design within the next five years Those four shown Right there There any other questions on penny for paths before I move to Open space No, let's carry on So open space Some of the goings on here You will be able to see soon The way finding project in wheeler park was completed That was an effort with recreation and parks as well as Open space folks there and an accessible path to the wheeler treehouse is also complete So now there is a nice sure pack path so that All folks can get to that treehouse In fy 23. We have gotten back in full swing for the path parking lot and viewing area at hubbard, which is a Larger effort than Just a path that I'm parking on viewing area may initially seem And the red rocks management plan was also updated So that helps us get a clearer picture of what it takes to maintain Something like red rocks moving forward And that ties directly into the trail improvements that have been ongoing They are still in permitting taking a little while But that permitting should be complete and ready for construction within the fiscal year the fund The funding here in open space looks a little bit There's a bit more going on here than penny for paths And this is Just making sure we know this is only the half cent that goes towards open space directly This is not the half cent that deals with land acquisition So the open space revenue is Very similar to penny for path if you cut it in half because it's a half cent here So those projections are done the exact same way The expenditures were also laid out similarly FY 23 and 24 are a bit higher because there was quite a Pandemic slowdown in a lot of this work And again costs are going up. So when we made this next round of cip There was a some growth And Cost due to inflation there And the open space note repayment is ongoing at about 125 thousand dollars a year Wrong computer Is that uh repayment, which is this upper hubbard? That is from the 1.5 million that was initially taken out to start the open space fund I didn't really understand what you said We took out a loan for a 10 million dollar loan for the for the renovation of the parks So they're just paying back the loans. That's yeah paying back the veterans memorial Which park For the whole it was for the whole open space Project yes, it was for There was no dedicated Open space for that it has been the love has been shared from that Looking at the cip and fy 24 how that 390,000 breaks out A lot of it is going to hubbard to finish the design and go into the construction for All of that new infrastructure. They are totaling to 240 and it is broken up like you can see 100 thousand dollars in grant revenue And the rest is split 50 50 between rec impact fees and penny for paths The penny for paths, of course is because of the recreation path And the rec impact fees can be used for the other parts Red rocks that's the stuff that's in permitting right now for the parking area some trail improvements and a lot of erosion repairs To finish that design and construction and that is all from that open space debt And wheeler there are a few more items left in the management plan and the open space priority list That was put together a couple of years ago. There's about 80 thousand dollars of work associated. They are projected And again, that's funded through the open space fund I look forward to when hubbard has a path that's parallel to swift street that is not swampy After a couple days of rain And people get creative and going around and around and deeper into the grass to try to Avoid the water in the mud. Well, things go well. We can get you there by the end of fy 24 It's a natural open space. So I get that Yeah, it is a recreation and natural area. So finding a balance there Resources requested same thing as penny for paths. Just keep helping us grow the grand list So that this fund can continue to grow And a note here the Note repayment will be done in fy 27 paying off that debt that 125 thousand dollars a year stops in fy 27 So the revenues will increase quite greatly there Emerging issues permitting is always a concern when dealing with natural areas here The state wetland department is A department that we work with very frequently in any of these natural areas as you mentioned him They're very wet in a lot of these places And so that coordination needs to be happening from the very beginning and these sites are Large and involved so they can end up in act 250 at times And these projects they're not necessarily as straightforward as certain things like looking exclusively at a road exclusively on a shared use path There's a lot of things going on. Um, so at times it leads to a very large team There's a lot of technical coordination between all of those different components So it's just something we think about when uh soliciting consultants for projects and as we move through all of those different phases And another little data analysis here 68 percent of residential buildings are within a quarter mile of an open space area or a park across the city And we are getting closer to a new project manager who will be starting in fy 23 If all things go well and they will help to take on open space projects So that there can be a bit more of a dedicated effort from one person to be More focused on those ones directly to really see them through completion and manage all of that technical coordination And like we mentioned the permitting for trail and drainage work in red box It's been going on for a while, but it is apparently moving forward from what's been reported back Is your first data point is that as the crow flies? Uh, so the way it's done is I'm thinking about the like gis steps Yes, okay. Yep Again, I can I could get you a number of by the road in a In a day's worth of gis or at least half a day All right, so that's our last slide there questions Well, thank you. There was a lot of information But you have 40 of the city budget so Do it in an hour. It's not bad Or an hour 15 minutes All right. Thank you I apologize the next guy for taking his time And I will see you in a few agenda items. All right Thank you both yeah All right, so item eight is um considering the council to consider a necessity resolution and declaration of intent And the need to bond for improvements to the Bartlett Bay water treatment facility And consider placing the question on the town meeting day 2023 ballot All right. Good evening again for those just tuning in tom de petro director of public works And presenting with me is colin mcneill the city's attorney So we're going to talk about is um Basically a necessity hearing for the bond vote for improvements to our wastewater infrastructure So in order to have a bond vote Related to the treatment plan upgrade council must pass a resolution that indicates the following That there is public interest or necessity demands the improvements Uh, that the cost of the improvements will be too great to be paid out of the ordinary annual income and revenue And order the submission of the proposition to incur bonded debt to pay for the public improvement The voters on town meeting day. Uh, it's a statutory requirement under remand And so what i'm going to do is do a quick as I possibly can overview of the project You will remember that we were here on october 3rd With the project engineer jenny auster who did a great job and a lot of detail on this project I don't want to recreate that here. So i'm going to move quick I'll catch you up on your your schedule Uh, but please if there's something you really want to know feel free to interrupt me We just wanted to give a flavor of the project to those that maybe didn't see that So, uh, here we go Bartlett bay facility It was originally constructed in the 1970s. Uh, it was upgraded in 1999 Here is a general overview. It's a 1.25 million gallon per day plant. That's the design capacity Keeping in mind here, so the expected useful life of a wastewater treatment facility is 50 years with upgrades planned every 20 to 30 years The mechanical electrical and process equipment needs replacement And refurbishment every 20 to 25 years. Bartlett bay that equipment is about 23 years old So we're right in that range. We've anticipated this for a while And these upgrades give us an opportunity to incorporate advances in technology so to improve our treatment our efficiency energy efficiency things of that nature What has been going on at the plant so you can see uh, here's just a couple examples of kind of the status of things down at Bartlett bay Kind of wear and tear on the equipment the clarifier leaking ceiling in the pump station in picture two Uh, the blowers were installed in 1987 need a replacement And then um, there's a storage tank there and you see a little weep hole above the ladder So just things of age need replacement Uh, some critical items that do need to be addressed though is grit removal So, uh, the screening is now obsolete and it's ineffective. It's allowing things to move into the plant Which again can foul processes and pumps and things downstream The uv disinfection system. Uh, it's sort of the end of the process that is no longer supported by the manufacturer So if we were to have a failure there, it would be very difficult and expensive to to kind of replace that system So that's a critical need And in that tank, uh, we can't even fill the tank all the way up at the moment because of those weep holes So it's only filled to the lowest hole at the moment Existing site plan. So I'm not going to spend a lot of time here, but you can see the different buildings Uh, this is current conditions and then uh, as we go through our preliminary engineering kind of Lays things out a little bit differently and make use of existing space and it shifts things around There's new operation maintenance building new sludge handling tanks aeration blower new headworks building And so uh, that is the first component of this. I guess I should have mentioned the vote here is for Three different components. It's the plant upgrade and then it's solids handling So in the treatment process all the material that settles out those are the solids at Bartlett bay those materials get trucked up to the airport parkway plant Where they are turned into a class a bio solid. So very brief history airport parkway plant was constructed 1967 It saw a major upgrade in 2011 And um as part of that upgrade we went to a two pad or a two phase anaerobic digestion process If you look at this from a hydraulic standpoint, we don't necessarily need to upgrade But there is a way that this is balanced and regulated And you may remember from the third we had a longer conversation about the volatile solids reduction And the ratio of those to the waste activated sludge or was So basically those volatile solids those are what comes out of the primary clarifier. Those are very active The the was is very inert. That's at the end of the process So a proper blend of those goes into the digester. Um, and that's where we're running into issues Uh, I know um, mr. Fisher recently filed a report to state to explain how we're going to address this issue And this is our our plan is um, what I'll show you here It's the addition of a initial clarifier And um, some additional storage fixing some storage tanks at the airport parkway plant This will also allow some additional operational flexibility for our operators I'll be able to take a clarifier down for cleaning or an emergency right now. We don't have that ability this clarifier Was always in the plan, but it was eliminated Uh value engineered out during the last upgrade and so we've come to a point where we need to to add it back in Uh, I think I said all this already. So I'm going to skip through here And uh, the last piece of this, uh For the bond is refurbishment of four wastewater pump stations that are within the sewer shed of Bartlett bay plant Uh, so the city has 32 pump stations Uh, 23 of those go to airport parkway and nine to Bartlett bay Again most in the state most pump stations and we're adding more With new development we're seeing we're expecting to gain a few over the next couple of years even Um, so the four that we're talking about here though, uh, that are part of the proposed bond vote Are three pump stations down in queen city park and one on Bartlett bay road and associated force main. So map, uh, it's coming up on the screen is difficult to see but this is off of central avenue The red dots show the existing pump station locations So there's one pump station here that collects wastewater kind of off lion's ab Another queen station queen city pump station number two This part of central that all goes to pump station number one Which then pumps all of that wastewater out of the queen city park neighborhood up towards fayette road Where it eventually makes its way to the plant Um, and then the Bartlett bay pump station This is up near the plant takes wastewater from the area of Bartlett bay road Bingham road twinbrook and it brings that to the plant Why do we need to do these? These pump stations have been in service for over 50 years With upgrades little upgrades here and there typical lifespan of pump stations 25 years We've seen some well obviously of the cost of repairing everything increased over time And all four pump stations are located very close to lake champlain So some of our older pump stations. Um, it's just certainly a concern is these things age We certainly don't want to have a Issue at the pump station that causes wastewater to spill out and leak into shelber and bay Which is as you know, where our drinking water comes from where the champlain water district has their intake pipe Um, I think I've said everything here already just iterate. So we're also starting to see some failures So we've had a force main crack or break on queen city park number two Uh, nothing reached surface waters. Thankfully Um, and then queen city one, we had a failure again. I think it reached nearby areas. Um, and then Also all in addition to obviously not wanting this water to reach their wastewater to reach lake champlain That would be a permit violation So For all those reasons we we are proposing to improve these four pump stations getting quickly into costs here Uh, so costs always come with caveats, especially these days So the bi-american a build american bi-america requirements are included here Um, we're using our most recent bid information our consultant pulled this all information together Uh, soil tanner and associates in this case and then they've included a contingency They've escalated those costs assuming we would bid this in fiscal year 24 So they've escalated them for inflation as best we can predict that And then any engineering costs you see are just a formula based on the anticipated cost of improvements So what that brings the entire cost of this project to is about 22.1 million for the plant upgrade Uh, solids handling about 1.8 million refurbishment of the pump stations about 4.4 million And then engineering associated with all that by the formula around 5 million and then 132,000 more For legal admin permitting to bring us to the total of uh, 33.8 million is what we're looking at for these Um So we recently talked about our rate increases in wastewater. They've been quite low since fiscal year 13 They've been about 2.2 percent Uh, not necessarily even kept up with inflation before inflation really took off here recently Um, we're currently working on a rate study. So i'll be back here Late winter early spring hopefully to talk about the results of that rate study where we're looking really closely at our wastewater and drinking water rates and kind of where we go from here But just looking at this project alone It's about a six and three quarter percent rate increase For the four years running to help to fund this project And then that would that would result in about a 71 dollar annual increase to your average homeowner versus that kind of Steady 2.2 percent rate increase Now none of that factors in any grants we may get in the interim period here, which we're actively working on And again, I'll throw this up again Just a comparison of rates in the region fiscal year 22 is the last time we collected this data South Burlington all the way on the right there. We have some of the lowest We have the lowest rates in the region and possibly the state project schedule So we are at that first dot and preparing bond documents We're going to do some public informational meetings coming up proposing the bond vote If the legal paperwork we're going to go over with you this evening is approved That'll be on town meeting day in 2023. That'll allow us to move into final design bidding in 24 and starting construction in kind of two-year period there from 24 to 26 And a year later would be our first payment on the bond in 2027 So why are we doing this now? Well, we've anticipated the need and we've planned for this upgrade for quite a while We're seeing what's expected sort of your normal deterioration over time And operational issues associated with those pump stations and the plant as well And then bond authorization of this type Really indicates community support and makes the city more competitive as we go And we keep an eye out for grants to help pay for this and reduce that overall cost An important note a bond authorization for 33.8 For the 33.8 million does not mean we have to spend that amount We're not obligated to we can we can spend less again if we're able to secure grants and things of that nature Tom so this is very helpful and I definitely support this and I'm ready to make the motion But on the why now slide can you also with a straight face tom say that this also will help increase the quality of the water in your red rocks park Thus increasing the likelihood that people will feel comfortable swimming in that space during the summer months So I think issues in red rocks are more related To storm water runoff Not necessarily pump stations. What's that not the proximity of these pump stations No, the pump stations aren't leaking or anything of that nature. You know wastewater is not reaching the lake or surface waters This is preemptive to prevent that from happening because again, these are quite old almost 50 years old these pump stations Thank you Okay, Megan. Yeah, I think we talked about this before but I received an email Between that conversation and tonight asking if the federal government has any ARPA funds that they would dedicate to wastewater treatment plants so Keeping a very close eye out for any funding opportunities. So we've looked at ARPA funds. We're on all of the state lists We are currently evaluating There was a recent announcement that 40 million dollars was made available available For projects that support I'm trying to remember the name of that one Jesse community development There was another 40 million dollars became available ARPA funding which we're going to try to pursue here We've been talking with some of our consultants about that The money was set aside for disadvantaged communities and And so they've got 30 days before other communities So it opens up to a community like South Burlington on December 29th So we're hoping to be it kind of in the queue and get an application ready there Thank you. Does that state 40 million for the state or for the country statewide? Okay Let's just add another sentence about that and we talked with our incoming delegation about this this morning Um, the way the state has currently allocated those ARPA funds very appropriately are to target disadvantaged communities to build new Um, and when the timeline gets closed So we need to get the and the state needs to get those those money up those dollars out the door that we are hopeful it will go to existing Existing communities are non-disadvantaged communities. So that's the lists that tom's referring to that those are we're getting in line for those things If those this is big it's open And we'll be more shovel ready than some other communities potentially. That's our advantage. I guess plenty And so again, I'll mention to folks maybe listening online or in the audience There's a thorough discussion of this project from October 3rd So if you're interested, please tune in. I actually hyperlinked it on the first slide to make it easy For anybody that wanted to go and hear an in-depth discussion of the projects Um, I think I'll turn it over to you at this point colin to Which in the packet I ask a follow up question. Is is there a local match for that federal grant? The one yes, there is um, and I don't have all the details with me today It's just something that we're we're following up on because every opportunity now we're Sending emails out to make sure we're chasing down a future date after december 29th Yes, colin. Yes. Thank you. So we're uh recommending that you make two motions tonight The first all all both of those motions pertain to documents that are in your packet The first motion would be to adopt a resolution of necessity for capital improvement project This resolution incorporates the requirements that are laid out in 24 vsa 17 55 That essentially says that the public interest or necessity demands the improvements that tom has been talking about That the cost of the same will be too great to be paid out of the ordinary and annual income and revenue And orders the submission of the proposition of incurring bonded debt to pay for the public improvements To the qualified voters of such municipal corporation at a mean meeting to be held for that purpose So what you'll see in the resolution of necessity for capital improvement project is lays out those three requirements And it also incorporates the the draft ballot language that you have in your packet as well That that language is included in the necessity resolution. So with with approving the necessity resolution, you'll be approving that ballot language The second motion is to adopt a declaration of official intent To reimburse certain expenditures from proceeds of indebtedness. This essentially is for the purpose of complying with treasury regulations Okay, well, I would entertain a motion to do both those things Different motion so it's up there on the screen. I would make the first motion and then if that's passed I would make the second motion first motion. I'll move to adopt the resolution of necessity for capital improvement project in a second Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. So the motion carries Second motion i'll move to adopt the declaration of official intent of city of south brillington to reimburse certain expenditures from proceeds of indebtedness second Any discussion All in favor All right. All right. The motion carries Thank you very much. Thank you So I do want to just call out that I should have done this in the beginning This is tom's first official budget presentation to you all as public works director You've heard from him for 16 years in other capacities 14 years Locked 12 years. I don't know a long time 16. I didn't know he's come to these meetings. So But first is the official officially as the public works director. So tom thrilled to have you in this role Thank you. We have no Water quality only bob gets the awards Geez Next time you can put a little plaque in under the And thank you. Thank you offer listening. Okay. Thank you. It was a it was a very good presentation I thought Yeah, so thank you Um, so moving on then to um Item nine Um receiving the community development presentation including the energy fund Alana Blanchard And first let's congratulate you on a wonderful illuminate It was illuminating to a lot of people And it it took a lot of people to get it off the ground and Make it work. And I'm really grateful to all of you that volunteered And all of you that attended and especially to the uh recreation and parks department that put it on so Yeah, really fun Group effort. So I thank you The first of many Sorry my um I can't oh, I can still look up here on my screen. Everything's covered So let's see if I can get down to the And you can switch it to Okay, that may be what's happening because it's not I wouldn't even be able to find those I think it's just not being responsive but sometimes happens. So hang on. Here we go It's just being oh, she's been trying It's just a little slow. So here we go. All right. Um, so it's uh, Okay, so um, Alana Blanchard a community development director Really pleased to be here tonight to present the community development budget and In a few parts of the cip We Keyboard is just not responding At all All right, there we go. Um There It was a little bit delayed also a time Okay, good. All right I will adjust so so So I am responsible for many aspects of the tiff district And the projects that are related to the to tiff district and that use tax increment financing in order to get them Built I also Stuff two committees public art selection committee and the energy committee And and progressing very slowly Towards the economic development committee I And that may happen in the next fiscal year Or during this this fiscal year And I also take on other projects my my My sort of description for my position is very broad so I can take on other projects as assigned And I try to stay in touch with different organizations within the city Especially where they relate to economic development and Business districts and downtown So in 20 f y 22 and f y 23, I think you've seen a lot of this before But there was a lot of recognition for 180 market street for the building that we're in today Uh and one of the fun things that happened is a lot of professional building related organizations really wanted to come and bring their chapter here and take a tour of the building and so The project architect and the different engineers all participated in those and shut off the building and the especially the green features As well as the spaces. I think you know for many people it was just a fun building to see and learn about So, um civil engineers the architects association and then the heating and cooling engineers came by We also received a merit award in last year, uh, so And then you also Are aware huge highlight for the year was securing 9.7 million and raise grant funds As well as the grant that really was able to spark illuminate vermont and get it going And enabling us to have a downtown festival and then um, Pepsi approved a substantial change to the tiff district and The east west crossing project was launched And city center park phase two was a project that we Kind of had on the back burner until we acquired the land for the connection between city center park and Garden street market street and so we were able to get that one going as well So we um for community development there are Many different revenue sources, especially because we're talking about fairly large projects. Um In terms of general fund so Funds coming from property taxes or sales taxes or other revenue sources and the general fund We are only we're there's no change. So we're still at 800,000 we had been at 860,000 in the past And it was considered this year. It didn't seem the right year to bring it back up So we're sort of level at 800,000 Fund 280 is the fund that we use to track all of the city center tiff district Projects and all of the expenses related to those projects So we have a variety of revenues that we will be using this is not necessarily what's coming And it's just but what is being spent in the next fiscal year To be spent on these projects. So we estimate is that we'll spend about 1.2 million on grants 3.9 million in debt proceeds and um 631 thousand in tiff increment and zero and impact fees So that Tiff increment Is actually What we expect to to receive. It's not what we expect to spend So it's a little different from the other two And then this revenue Summary doesn't reflect grants. So grants that we have not secured are not reflected in the FY 24 Chair really Oh, yes, sorry So I want to preface this by saying I'm not advocating for this to happen But I would love to hear your reaction to I recall it was five years ago Where we lowered the 800,000 I want to say to like seven or 720 or something because we're looking at a pretty tight budgetary year and from everything I'm hearing so far We're looking at one of the highest increases or proposed increases that I've seen while on council if we need to start finding areas Knowing that you've recently presented on some optimistic outlooks For the tiff center If this were to drop to as low as 600,000 again not saying I want to do this What is your reaction to this my number possibly going down for this budgetary year? Yeah, so that's a great question. Um I think that There's there's two responses. I mean two thoughts that I have The first is that you are looking at some fairly large increases to the tiff district Debt service that are going to cover Cover the time period when the tiff proceeds are not at the same level as the payments And so I would recommend being prepared for those payments And then the other The other comment is that Uh, even if The funds aren't there this year those debt service payments will also always be there So so you'll still need to provide the funds at some point. Um, and it Will would make it harder to get up to The age 60 in future years So so but it's certainly something, you know, we can always look at it Oh Can I add one other reaction? I agree with everything a lot of said Um If that was something the council wanted to consider another option would be We are we are running as you've seen in the financials to date. We are running pretty well in fy 23 So an option if you were going to reduce it going into fy 24 would be essentially to use surplus to offset that tax capacity In fy 24 it changes how we have talked with the community about how we support the tiff district and support those other Um Those investments that the community has made but you could direct us to look at the fy a potential fy 23 surplus To do a one-time investment into the tiff district Okay Um, so I think uh, so in the general fund Uh, as stated in terms of expenditures no changes. Um, there's 800 000 for the tiff district Sorry for the city center reserve. That's not actually in fund 280, but it is set aside for the tiff district 5 000 for public art in that city-wide so outside of city center And then the image that you see on the screen. That's a piece that's being considered right now by the public art committee to come before you This winter or spring to make a recommendation And then um the recreation center and this is a change from last year But not in terms of the general fund. It has um zero funds proposed to be expended in fy 24 um, and that Is I think we had We had anticipated Ramping up design this year and that did not happen. So at the moment we have zero funds for the recreation center The cip reserve fund Has 960 000 in debt service And so that Is moved moves into the fund 280 and then is spent from 280 to service the debt So it's in listed in both locations, but it's the same money just moving around Um, we'll also anticipate spending about 5 million on tiff district projects And just over 1 million on tiff district debt service And what is happening is that we pushed off our major payments for a long time Five years for each issuance and then at the end of that five-year period We begin to make um Principal payments and so we're starting to enter the time during which we will be making principal payments On the first step that was taken out in 2017 Where is the art installation? Well, that's a big question We're actually asking recreation and parks and public works in january to Give us some ideas. Oh, okay. Is it glass? It's acrylic acrylic Yes, we all received the memo from the public art committee asking for $10,000 as opposed to $5,000 Is that Yes, so so what the public art committee has done in the for this year is that they had accrued 5,000 and then so they they're using the 5,000 and This year's 5,000 to make a 10,000 purchase $10,000 purchase Oh, so it's not an additional $5,000 that they're asking us to add into the general fund there. They are They are making a request that the rather than 5,000 that number up there for fy 24 would be 10,000 Okay, yeah But five of it comes from fy 23 I'm sorry That was very confusing on my part So in the in this year if they make a recommendation to you in fy 23 It would be for 22 and 23 23 money. Yeah, so that was not not clear It's faces. I look like faces. I'm sorry. Was it faces? I I think they're somewhat abstract. Yeah Okay, all right So this is a summary of our debt management So we're we are receiving about 600 600,000 of if tiff increment expected to from our tiff district The debt service would be 1 million our transfer to reserve is 800,000 Recommended and the city share of debt service meaning for this building Is 960,000 this year? It worked Sorry Okay, got a little too fast. Um, so our capital improvement fy 24 plan. I think you've heard a lot about these Garden street wilson roads treatscape the walk bike bridge over i-89 in city center park We're we're working on moving them towards construction. Um, so probably looking at the spring Of fy 24 for some of these Possibly the city center park we can accelerate that Because that has no right of way acquisition in that project And then obviously the walk bike bridge we're really at the design stage. So that project Would be completed more in fy 27 So looking more at the 25 26 range to complete construction for the other projects And then we also there are several projects that we've talked about a little bit public art recreation Uh that are in the administration budget. So the last um cip project that we haven't talked about Is the landfill solar array that project? Uh is uh, um over a megawatt of solar Electrical production from a solar array. We are currently receiving net metering credits from that project It's owned by altis power america. Um, they gave us a very attractive net metering purchase agreement And um after seven years, they will have received all of their Federal credits from the project and they would be willing to sell it to us and that's part of our contract with them So we will be we recommend doing a feasibility study in fy 24 so working with the energy committee and others just to understand the finances of of the array owning it then you know the um net present value Of the array if we purchase it and so forth um, but that could have a big impact um In two ways one it could in the short shorter term reduce um What is available to the energy revolving fund from? from the um From the solar array, but in the long term it could have a net gain in terms of value So that's what we'll be looking at obviously the Interest rates are a little different now than they were when we first um entered into the contract So a lot of things to look at and currently half of the um solar credits go to the school if we if the city bought it would that Be the same Or is that something under the feasibility study? I think that would be part of that But that's a great question one big open question so There you go All right, so which brings us to the energy energy fund, uh, which is a revolving loan fund or a revolving Um Sort of it functions like a revolving loan fund. It's administered by the city for city internal projects and lubrici it's right there But put this together. He actually manages the fund um, and So we just wanted to give you a snapshot of fly 24 for this fund most of the revenues do come from the landfill solar array There are some funds that are coming from projects that it financed. So the stewardship fund Which I believe was lights The hybrid car lease police station lights And this building the solar on this building And then there are multiple projects that it will be funding in fly 24 Um throughout various departments public works police so both on the renewable energy side as well as the conservation and weatherization side I'm sorry not renewable energy, but Efficiency as well as conservation And then of course we have bond issues in f y 24 That are proposed. Uh, so the Um, the remaining four projects for the tiff district as well as um, the Garden street phase one bond Um, all of these are tiff district financed and are not Well would not raise the property tax would not result in an increase in property taxes um, and they sort of further the interests of the city in terms of building a compact, um A compact walkable pedestrian bicycle friendly downtown Uh, i have to invoke my inner west dom just to confirm though It will not result in a property tax increase assuming the development occurs as anticipated Because it's Yeah And what's anticipated is not a full build out of every single available acre, correct? That's correct I mean, I think that's good to point out Actually, I'm going to go back And just I'm just going to name the four projects Um, and then when we do our next item, I will not so garden street Which is mainly the intersections of willister road mitis drive since I have a nice picture of it up there Um, mitis drive the realignment of mitis white and willister road some tightening of hindsburg road And um and willis turn road the area in between that which is all of which is garden street phase two a streetscape on willister road between dorset street and hindsburg road on the south side The boardwalk connection between city center park and garden and market streets As well as the east west crossing over i 89 are the four projects that um the 15 million dollar ballot question For tiff district financing would finance So emerging issues You know, I think equity has been a big conversation this year. Uh, and then we're still struggling with implementation And I am on on my projects. Um, but I expect that to be a big focus for f y 24 as well as continuing in f y 23 The solar array which we just talked about um, and then um seek account funding opportunities for the district projects and then So f y 24 are going forward. Um Uh, and especially looking past f y 24 tiff district development um business districts in downtown which might be city center, but it may be looking at other business districts like on um shelter and road uh, and then um looking at our plans that um have been developed uh that sort of Uh support community development such as economic development and cultural planning. So Um And you know, that's I think both of those are things that you you are considering for next year And then in terms of a spotlight, I wanted to highlight the gallery. Um, we've been really lucky one of the committee members, uh has uh has Steped down from the committee and stepped into the curator role. Um really really um smoothly It's an honorarium position meaning that it's sort of like being a coach. You get a bit of money but not really does really cover your hours And um has brought in some really great shows and has some um great ones lined up. Um And we ended up uh in the in the fall issue of best of burlington. So which is kind of fun Um, but that was that's been a really um uh a really um Just a great way to talk to people downstairs in the in the hallway and and just um interact with the public So that's been nice. It seems to draw a lot of people in I mean, I think people come particularly to see the new um installations. Yeah you know That concludes my um presentation Stop sharing and um, so now we can move to 10 attacks increment financing district adopting and assessing resolution In declaration of intent on the need to bond for all these different things And I met some people at illuminate who I I told they they came over from um I don't know it'd be street or something and they walked around and I said well You know, you want to support support the bond because that will build a um a walkway across right to downtown and they were thrilled They didn't commit to voting for it, but they were They thought that sounded pretty good. So Ivy did I say it'd be ivy? So this is a very similar series of votes we need that you just took for margaret baby I have the language in front of me Okay, go for it. Oh, do you want to say anything about it? Um, we're so compliant I actually I do not time and we're like no I I don't want to say anything about it, but I did want to point out that article um xx Which uh, I would request that you consider voting on one that was provided to you today and not the one that's in the packet And the change I have up. Um, I actually don't have the change up. This is the new one essentially Where there's a b and it says garden street it used to say phase two This version does not say phase two. So it needs to say phase two. No, I don't want it to say Oh, you don't want it. Yes. Oh, this is what we want. Okay. This is the one that I would request Good enough. Okay So this would be the same motions you passed for the Bartlett bay Just to recap briefly the resolution of necessity for city center tiff district capital improvement projects That addresses the requirements of the stat of vermont statue the deco that also incorporates the ballot language Which you have on your screen above you and likely in front of you Um, and the declaration is is really just to comply with treasury regulations So we would request two motions one to adopt the resolution and two to adopt the the regular the Declaration, okay I move to adopt the resolution of the necessity for city center tiff district capital improvement projects second You're good with that. Do I need to amend it with anything from the email today? Um, Were you reading the the the one at the bottom? I'm reading the recommendation in your memo Um, okay, that's Okay, so that includes phase two out of there Okay. Um, any discussion? Okay, all in favor signify. I'll be saying by saying I I so that motion passes I move to adopt the declaration of official intent of this of city of south burlington to reimburse certain expenditures from proceeds of indebtedness second any discussion All in favor signify by saying I So that resolution passes Fantastic. Thank you very much. Nice work. Good enough. Okay. Thank you council very much You just took two really big votes to put things on the ballot for a time any day. So thank you for that So it's 33 plus 15 plus 15 Yeah 48 just under 50 I'll work to bring that down. Oh, okay. Um, do you want let let's why don't we take a quick five minute break? Move on to item 11 receive an update from the bicycle and pedestrian committee and consider approving And an update to the committee's charge So erica, you're going to share this with us. Yes. Um, I'm going to give you a brief intro for those Just joining online. If anyone has shown up here, I'm erica qualen deputy director of capital projects with public works I uh for this agenda on item I am here as the staff liaison for the bike ped committee joined by a couple of our members here The person who will be speaking for most of this is havala ganye our I'm sorry. I didn't see you. I wasn't looking at our fearless bike ped committee chair Um, and she's going to be bringing forth a few things The that were laid out in a memo to all of you that you have in your packet regarding the committee charge change, which is an update To the charge that was last updated in 2015 when the name changed Do their yearly safety and policy updates from work that they have been doing and things that they would like to continue doing A very quick update on the completed queen city park road scoping study and Again talking about their support for the bicycle and pedestrian master planning effort And there will be a one recommended action like you mentioned Which would be to approve the amended Charge which you also have in your packet. So I will turn it over to havala Who is online? Great. Well, welcome. Thank you You are on mute havala And I think I spent half my day on mute Thank you for having me and my words of gratitude. Thank you for coming to all these Meetings and being on city council like nine o'clock meetings are not really my thing So here I am and here you are. So thank you um I think the Two main things that I really want to spend more time on Are the safety updates and on the um bike and pedestrian master plan So I might I'll do the I'll get the quick stuff may be done early first The committee charge change that's really mostly a name change. Um We're not really into the parks. We're really into the path. I think that's what that's about um Next is the safety updates the there's a sub group that worked on all of the safety recommendations And those are in your packets. I believe there are a total of 14 items um I think there are no bad items on that list And I think we tried to put them a little bit in order of importance, but it's hard to pick um I'm not entirely sure how I can be of best service to the committee for going through things I think my number one thing is paint and budget for painting My understanding is that Burlington repaints all of their crosswalks and fog lanes and bike lanes and lights are um lanes Every year and we don't do that as often and I think that would Do a lot to help clue in drivers And pedestrians where they're supposed to be and how to share and that's one of the things that we hear back from the community a lot is Just road rage and um Inconsiderate use of shared spaces Um speed limits would be great to drop those down Um adding more signs. Um, I also want to highlight the Rectangular rapid flashing beacons. So there's a little lights you push when you want to use the crosswalk Those have been updated 27 out of the 35 that we have in the city and that's been really wonderful and the committee would also we also want to share that We've been very happy with um dpw and they've gotten a lot done in the last construction season I didn't want to forget that I'm not entirely sure where else to like I can go through and read all of them, but That was the list we wanted to submit to you and let you know what we're What we're working on and what we're thinking about. Are there any questions on that part? I think it's a great list So we don't need to go through them. I read them all and um I'm a walker. So a lot of these resonated with me Any other comments? Oh, I would comment. I did use the flashing light to cross um Dorset street the other day Cars don't Weren't very thoughtful about even recognizing We were standing in the middle of the road waving so that they knew The lights were on and by the time we got into the Second two lanes the lights had gone off. So these cars were coming at us and there was no blinking light Going far No, this was on dorset street No, no, this was dorset street. Um Down near um past the high school Oh at the old city hall Uh, the one farther down there's another one down there. I don't I can't know what road it is I spent San Remo drive. I think there's it was a new one. I said, oh, let's use this Push the button. It's our blinking And I'm watching these cars So we got to step out And wave and the first car didn't see us another car Ignored it and then finally we did get some people's attention. So they stopped But by then we were in the middle section and ready to go across And the cars weren't stopping and we realized that the blinking lights hadn't been on long enough For two old ladies to get across four lanes Largely because you had to Slow people down to let them know that the lights were on and we were crossing the road Yeah, I've seen that before with pedestrians I almost feel like we need a pedestrian refuge or more clearly marked one It may be even one of the rfb is in the in the median in between just to give people a halfway point I know, I mean, it was just scary because I thought about all these work. Well, who knew And and the roads were slippery, you know, they were snowy. So on top of that they were Yeah, there's a shameless plug for that additional funding for the consulting services Around things like that if there is a problem area that goes through the prioritization It can really be made sure that the right solution for the area Is done so that you don't run into situations like that Because yeah, some things work really well in some areas and they're less well in others Yeah, no, and I like the way they're designed and they should work. I you know, I just Think a lot of drivers are Not as thoughtful and I I don't know what will happen on Williston Road. I mean, that's not four lanes, but it's great at least Full lanes to get across so it is for between Heinsberg mode and Dorset right and even up to Staples plus, right? Yeah, right. Yeah, so The current project does have Pedestrian refuge islands on those Williston Road crosswalk locations that are in design. That would be good, but yeah I do have a question. This is these are recommendations, but they're not in the fiscal year 24 budget. They are Are they that's These are some of the more Some are more generalized around recommendations to move towards a more robust strengthening program And some of them are a bit more specific that need to end up like going through a bit of a study process At certain locations Some of them can be done through like the regional planning commission the way they provide technical assistance over the years So some of these can kind of be picked away in this study and determine Is it the right solution for that area? So and some of these are Just things to consider as we move into new construction in certain areas to say this is An area that the committee has flagged as a good location for a crosswalk while we're here Paving or repairing the sidewalk Is there a way to bring these in? So these are more of their yearly lists that get brought forward as part of their charge And things that are incorporated as they can be and as funding allows but also But also serves as recommendations for us like Improving or increasing the shared use path maintenance the bike that maintenance line item comes from the recommendations from the committee to say That there are problem areas that don't get addressed in the timely fashion Do we need to take any action on this list of recommendations? So it's just for your information city council. Yep. This is the what part of their charge is to report yearly on their recommendations in this area and part of their charge also I need with a member of the committee Roughly quarterly to go over things like this also Okay, thank you I like the speed limit review because we still have well we Dorset Street is 35 from I think it's a swift all the way to Nolan, but there's a left side says 40 going southbound So we need to get that corrected. It's you know in the spring. I think when the ground is Is not frozen so Because we remember we were reviewing the ordinances recently and that was pointed out and People they see a 40 and they go that's 45 50 and all right Yeah, and the state if it's a state highway. It's you know, if you're 10 miles over the posted speed limit They sure don't want to reduce it Yes, this might be a segue to I saw bob ritz hand was up But I'd love to hear either have have a lay or a bob talk about the spear street widening project that he brought up earlier And also overlaying that with the plans for a paved path that would be off of the road That would also connect from swift down to The stretches shall burn. Do you have any comments on on that topic that came up earlier? I can only speak briefly to it because I mean my tenure here has been short so far So it's not necessarily clued in on the conversations of how that project arose I know that it was part of the spear street corridor study And that was one that fell under the highway cip because it was Primarily roadway related even though it was to improve facilities for bicycles and pedestrians It was very much a highway effort. I am I can't give you a reason as to why it's not included in this one. I don't know about conversations around that one Obviously the shoulder is really great for cyclists that are going to stay on the road And if there are no paths or sidewalks, it makes pedestrians feel a lot safer gives them some place to be so with a Potential shared use path moving forward as we continue to Bite off segments of spear street and dorset and hindsbury as we move down those corridors There will always be the fearless cyclist that will stay on the road regardless of shoulder size But the need for pedestrians might Be alleviated and would be met by a shared use path Um, so I'm not sure necessarily about the long-term conversations that happened there So I think um, I think I'm now the most senior person here who remembers that comment from bob britt without andrew and ashley and Justin here um, I we spent a lot of time this here with the cip trying to smooth it out and make it logical and and rational of a 10-year plan that we could actually accomplish which meant things came on and off of it And I think in that smoothing it likely was smoothed out So if that's something that the council wants us to put back in It's not one that immediately occurred to me is one that had been smoothed out We certainly can look at that and bring that back to you in in january with budget if that's something you're looking for us to do One possibility is the next paving schedule for spear street, right? It would be a logical time to have the engineering or the design work ready to go So they can do the widening and add more asphalt if that is all it takes Right, so but I don't know when that would happen because I can't I thought they just did it like Five years ago From swift all the way to uh, pheasant way I think the question for council is do you want us to go back to the cip and edit it I just want to note one thing and what was included in the fy 23 cip I just pulled it up and what the section that's being discussed a bit more here is that this FY 23 cip Has it going all the way from wiliston road to the shellburn town line. So it covers that whole stretch in it total to Almost 3.3 million dollars. So um, I think that is probably where the smoothing came from because it was 2.6 of that in one year So Bob, why don't you go up to the mic because you do have the Most history with this Is the is the mic on And then just for the audience Thanks, bob brit um member vice chair of the um bike and pet committee um What happened last year as we moved it forward, but it was also discussed that It was supposed to be just from swift because of the paving that happened on spear from wiliston to swift wilson road to swift That section was fine and we are building a path along that section from the forest service building Down to swift street. So that Was basically under control. The problem was from The from swift street to the to the uh, shellburn line That does not have adequate shoulders And we were all we were looking for is that section to be widened so that when you walked from south point to south village with two feet of Shoulder on one side and a culvert on your other side. You could get there safely with cars Exceeding the 35 mile an hour speed limit You know to get to common roots or to get to the new proposed soccer field that's going to be down there So it's not for vehicles. We need to have traffic calming Put into that design when that road is is widened Um, so that we keep cars going slower slowing them down But we need that for people to get to neighborhoods We in in south burlington. We have a bit of a problem when Shelburne road is 40 miles an hour then Um, you got dorset and hindsberg which Are now You know 45 and hindsberg and 40 on dorset We need as a community To take back our neighborhoods. It's no longer that we have pass through roads. It's not hindsberg to burlington It's going through neighborhoods And it's time for us to start looking at each of our Streets and saying we're going to retake them. Yeah, well, we did try with hindsberg But that's um, but that's a state highway and it's still 50 miles an hour right in front of my house And then it goes 45 down past Butler farms and and it's funny because we just recently had a scoping of a crosswalk at deboy and Butler farm. Oh my god. I know and and the results of the comments that we got back from the consultant is It won't meet the warrants because It's too fast of a road but Won't meet the trans warrants because it's too fast a road, but they won't let us slow the traffic down, right? It's right. It's it's absurd and it's again because Transportation used to be just the vehicle Now it's complete streets But that is probably a state or agency of transportation issue on how they determine um You know speeds on state highways That that used to be highways with nobody living along them except a couple farms And now they are residential with bikers and and children and stuff So, you know, you might want to look at that because it is antiquated. I was talking to someone in transportation and She threw up her hands and said I know it's just crazy And Megan in the answer to your earlier question about what what would we like you to do with the list? It it would be really helpful if you blessed some of the changes Somehow I don't know what when I say blessed. I mean Basically say we agreed with these changes Some of the projects are in motion. They already have penny for path money to put in the remaining eight Uh r r f b's to redo them to to upgrade them We already have the funds set aside to put a solid barrier On dorset streets so people don't use the rec path when they're going up grand view or are turning right on Kennedy which which trucks Pick up trucks tend to like to do when they're trying to get to do their right turn on, you know And get past the the traffic On on dorset streets So we have those funds were already approved and but they just haven't been Built yet, so So they don't need to be though. There are monies available for them that have already been approved and in prior Cips but They just need to be built But some of them, you know, we will need funds and some will be funded by penny for path and And some are just, you know paint that's in the That's in the DPW budget. Well, I very much like the list. So yeah, could you um Maybe illustrate the list with um, you know some notation could the committee do this that this is in the works um So we kind of look through this. I mean it is two pages or two and a half pages So we can focus on oh, this isn't done yet It's it's a sounds like a logical Um, or at least it's it's something that committee feels is important. Um Um And hasn't been attended to or hasn't been funded or whatever That would be helpful as a Statement from the committee for me to look at it and say, okay, I get it These are done or in the works and these are the high priorities and need to be done And then we can talk about if there's funds for them I want to make sure we just like close the loop on the sphere street widening before we Get totally back into the other things if it is the wish of council We can redo the cost estimate from swift to the shelburn town line if that is the wish of council Because we obviously have the longer stretch so that was estimated out last year But if you want the swift to shelburn line, we can look at what that would cost and see how to Spread it out over future years so that it doesn't cause that big shift Yeah, I think that would be great to have it stretched out over, you know get the price and then we can figure out How to pay for it win because I I think that's that's a Really important road for cars and people Okay, yeah, and I'll work with commuters. I'll work with martha to make sure we're not putting huge impacts on future years And can do that strategically Mm-hmm. Yeah, we bring that back to council. Let's not just put in the cip. Let's call it out as a as a Think for them to consider Okay, thank you Yeah, that would be good. Thank you Okay All right, how are we? Um, I think yes. I think the last thing Oh, let's see. I'm really I was giving to the bottom. Um, the bike and pedestrian master plan That was a request that came up through the climate action committee as one of their key Request that we can support the the function of that committee In helping people get out of their cars and choose other modes of transportation So I think we're going to be going forward with that and then Looking it's coming at the bottom of the memo. I think the last thing we really needed was just to share Queen city park. We recommended a share use path Um, there's a whole project. It's in the scoping study. They give you a couple of different options about what the construction looks like for that And we felt like the shared use path Was the best for the low stress users Um, and it's pretty consistent with the standards that we would look at in south brawlington um, which is the request was for us to make a A choice and you pass it on to city council So that's what we're doing here and then I think I think we just need We just need um approval city council for updated charge Well, you gotta vote at home A big support Okay, so I'm not Clear about the queen city park issue quite at the moment, but we certainly can I am clear on you renewing the committee In your mission goal, so if the council wants to agree to that I'll move to approve and update the committee's charge. Is that the In duties That's the document, correct Second Okay It's been moved in second to the ready. Oh, we call them charges for all other committees So I would charge it's the mission and they've labeled that mission to these but we'll be the committee's charge Up the introduction committee's charge. Okay All in favor So we've updated your charge and then um I guess I'm not certain. I think we gave you some good feedback on your list of 14, but I wasn't quite certain where The stuff on queen city park is I mean there was a whole report And what is it you want the council? What do you think the council needs to do with the report? You're you're there you go Yeah, so I don't know the thing I actually need to do I think Sorry about the dog. He's just a toddler I think you didn't really need to do anything about it. It was just I think to be aware of it and that we had seen it That was what that was a request from Whoever presented to it. I think it was the scoping Most of it's in burlington not to do with us So do they need us to say or maybe just the bike and pet to say this looks like a good design I'm turning to tim because he was on There there were like three proposals. I don't know if they actually pick one yet. Oh, you know, so So I've been in a lot of conversations lately with burlington dpw around This project and figuring out where it falls on our cip to fill in our sections there And they recently secured a v-trans grant for their section to finish designing construction of the shared use path So they're moving forward with that as the preferred design So since they are moving forward with it, it does help us when we go to Seek funding for our section of path on that which is in our cip currently and At that point we will likely need Council support of this as the design that you'd like to move forward with but at this point There doesn't have to be any formal Approval of that as the preferred concept And like it said, it doesn't include the bridge the bridge is still the big question mark Right the narrow one-way bridge that is really not walking or what I mean. You can't but If you use a cane you're stuck All right, so the only part in south burlington is where detailleu sanaco is right I'm looking at this the right of way The right of way through this whole corridor really varies the City lines move back and forth along the road along clinton and it depends Who has current claim to the right of way? Because the road is often split the parcel line falls in the middle, but the right of way Varies across whose Is what? So we definitely have the 400 feet between central lab and the bridge And there are sections later on connecting to shellburn road that are also south burlington Okay, and the signal is complete that was done last like spring Okay Thank you Well, good. Thank you very much Sure Um, I just want to recognize Erica She has been incredible. She's been here six months It'll be six months on january 5th six months. She has gotten more done in six months than We had gotten done in The last three years. So I we are blown away on the committee with So Because you get so much done Also incredibly good at writing grants We did allow her in the vote that we could bond so we can move as many projects forward as possible. Okay Thank you. That's very nice. Thank you Okay Well, thank you both. Okay. Thank you move on now to item 12 And this is discussed and possibly approve a proposed encampment policy so Collin you're gonna Take us through that Absolutely. Good evening. Collin McNeill city attorney At your request we brought forward a little the document that you have in your packet policies and procedures related to encampments And you consider it for the first time on november 21st during that meeting We took some public comment and had some discussion the largest takeaway we took from that was that in instances of a situation where A campsite is removed and the city is storing personal property The original draft of that of this policy Included that we would store that property for a week Based on the comments and discussions. We've the draft. It's now before you we've increased that to 30 days Also since the november 21st when we when you first reviewed this we've met with community outreach And got some input back from them. We also met with public department of public works to see You know city-wide if this could actually be a workable policy Community outreach gave us some comments which are reflected in your The documents in your packet one. We gave you a red line version and a clean version Community outreach really Highlighted that instead of offering alternative shelter because the shelter does not belong to us. It's more identifying shelters that at that request law enforcement Can go with them when they're Meeting with people who are in encampments And also that the notices that we provide is subject to the rules of the Shelters that we're we're notifying people about just in certain instances that that we are aware community outreach highlighted some situations For instance with the hotel voucher program That sometimes when you're offered a hotel voucher, it's a yes or no at that point and if you refuse it It's going to go to the next person in line and then you go to the bottom of the list So it's it's not a window of a period where this where that option is available to you and in some instances It's here's here's an option for a place to go At the state's expense or the the government's expense and you have to say yes or no so Those are the changes that that we made to the policy document that's in front of you We have been made aware that there's some Have been some questions raised about whether a policy is appropriate or whether an ordinance is appropriate Just for things to think about is is one that the You'll be aware that's From our last meeting we based our policy largely on what portland main had done They based it largely on what to comal washington had done both of those communities operate with a with a policy With an ordinance similar to ours. I understand that Thou shall not camp here with a policy to to how to administer that That seems to be by talking to Those those communities are at least the portland community who represented what to coma had told them The policies that they've adopted seem to be working well in their communities Um in the structure similar structure that that we have adopted And I I believe that as far as I know Uh locally that um although brolin then has talked about implementing an ordinance or adopting an ordinance They'll start they'll start they are still operating with a policy And not and have not yet passed an ordinance. I think it might be in committee somewhere There was talk of of adopting an ordinance So that's one reason Another reason is that if you have a policy you can you can adopt it now It doesn't require first reading a second reading the public hearing that requires an ordinance does require You can really put this in place This is a a new idea for the city. So it's going to have some kinks potentially It's a lot of words to to implement and and put through with a lot of workmanship between the various departments If the police department the public works department how it works out a policy allows us to have some flexibility Something's not working. We can come to you in a meeting and say this isn't working. Can we change it? And you could change it right there That would be different than what's included in ordinance Or if you're going to change it you need to go through all the steps that are that are called for in the statutes and Conf I can just pause you there for a quick second. I would just remind the council that this this Came about this was something that had been on your priorities strategies for about well, since we about 18 months And came to the top of your agenda because of an emerging issue So we were trying to be very nimble to an immediate community need A policy is the quickest way to get there and protect the liability of the city and and mostly respect primarily respect our residents And that's partially why the policy we identify the policy as the best course forward and allows us to Try something new and change it quickly on the fly to both be Responsive to what the staff needs but also more importantly to what our residents need Excellent. Thank you. Jesse. And maybe the fourth reason I would give is that generally With with the document that's in front of you. You're you're essentially directing staff how you'd like them to act It is focused on city staff And that's generally what policies do you're looking internally with the policy to tell The people that work for the city how you want them to behave and how you want them to act with an ordinance It's more out-facing Just generally you're telling the community at large. This is what our laws are in our community And this is what we expect from everyone as opposed to So just generally speaking because this looks inward That's why we came up with a policy instead of a set of an ordinance so That's essentially it for now. I mean I can walk through the the policy again if you if you would like just some general Outlines, but it's um with those minor changes. It's the it's the policy that you looked at on november 21st I I don't think you need to walk through it unless someone I mean, maybe Someone wants to specifically hear about um a particular issue I I mean peter taylor raised with me and sent I think all of us an email Or did you just send it to me peter? Yeah, okay Concerned about the impact Or how you carry this out in the cemeteries And so I wonder if Peter do you want to just briefly Describe this he's a sexton Chairs that committee Can you share your concerns and then maybe call and you can either address them like it's covered here or We can think about Adjusting it a little bit. Thank you very much. As you know City has two cemeteries eldritch over by the airport in shelburne road Shelburne road had I think three tents removed in the spring early summer And two cars were using it this fall as a place to overnight and park So the parking ladder in the no in the back driving all the way to the back of the cemetery and parking way in the back Where we clean brush to kind of open it up a little bit Um As I read the policy and this may be an old one not the new one But you have emphasis areas And I think 7.2 talks about emphasis areas and I guess I'd suggest you add cemeteries in there. So it's clearly known that Camp sites in cemeteries can be removed regardless of any other conditions Maybe in the last line where it says Special concern including schools playgrounds facilities for the elderly Or cemeteries or in cemeteries I think that would do it I'm just concerned that it Chelmer roads a nice place to put a tent up And it's tucked in the back and there's curb cut you can drive in there and And I think it's inappropriate for people to be living in there Particularly with the efforts we put in to spruce it up Any other questions Are there any other questions or comments? Yes clarification The language doesn't specifically Exclude cemeteries in any way at this point in time right right you you would just want to add That to like part of the emphasis description. I I'm thinking I mean help me out Does that accomplish what I want to do? I just want to clear that cemeteries are part of the emphasis rather than just leaving it open that it If it's not specified in here I think it should be All city-owned land is governed would be governed by this policy, right? Yeah Right, so that includes cemeteries and parks. Yeah, but a lot of people may not know that a cemetery is city land. I mean a lot of them are specific religions That I I don't know who owns them, but but all city land is covered by this But emphasis areas say that you can remove encampments Regardless of any other conditions from emphasis areas And that's why I think cemeteries should be included in that That section Collin can you come in on that? I I can I think that um Councillor barrett has raised somewhat of a point that this covers all city property. It doesn't specifically mention cemeteries as as written um, but it could if um if it's uh The way, you know the way a poll the policy would Work into place is if an area becomes an area where campsites are Existent and that have become a problem those could be identified as emphasis areas that could be posted Um, a cemetery could work in the same way if it if it has become an an area that uh campsites have A risen that have become a problem. I think that's um What is being requested is there's this section 7 which talks about campsite removal prioritization um, which identifies um The removal of campsites may be prioritized after an inspection of campsite locations by city personnel um, so based on certain impacts it we could add cemeteries to the list at the bottom of 7.2 um And uses of special concern including schools playgrounds or facilities for the elderly Um, a cemetery could certainly be in there for a burn area that would be looked at as a as a priority to to focus on if if they become problems And living in a car would would constitute a campsite Yeah, I mean, I think we'd have to I mean that was your experience these people were living in literally They didn't have a day and parking one car and traveling in the other one coming back at night Going someplace else and then coming back a few days later sleeping in the car at night. Yeah. Yeah. Is that covered? With the language that we have I mean they talk about tents and you know Yeah, I mean, I think we could it doesn't you know as i'm looking at it It does talk about tent lean to structure tarp palette or makeshift structure used for purpose of habitation located in an identifiable identifiable area If someone's using a vehicle, I believe it could follow that definition as long as that's covered. That's fine I'll just add, you know, I I don't know anything about What I'm going to say other than what I've seen which is people sitting in electrical vehicles and plugged in for hours and hours and hours and hours but sitting in the vehicle You know and I leave here at night and they're sitting in the vehicle So I don't come back to know what's going but I Just as another I see all of the affordable housing people here and thank you Is this morning on the radio they were talking about and I wish I could go back and listen again um a city in california You know that instead of paying much more on police fire hospital Um And all different kinds of services they provide You know $600 a month to someone to be able to stay in their house Which adds up to a lot less than police fire hospital and all of these different services um and The apparently president biden's administration is looking into it so it might not be a local solution, but I it's just it's curious I'm curious to know Where are these people you know what their history is? Do they live here in vermont and they couldn't pay their property tax or they couldn't pay their rent or they it would just I think You know, I'm just I'm speaking to the affordable housing committee people as well And to know exactly You know, I know that there are apartments here on this street as well as in the new Um Two buildings so one building sorry over in the hillside that are going to also have units for for homeless and I just I I'd really like to understand you know Just like, you know, the the traffic lights the the radars are there It's much more economical for us to put up a radar and saying you're going over the speed limit As opposed to having a police officer sitting there and enforcing The speed limit right because people enforce themselves when they see up. I'm going 10 miles with the speed limit I better I better, you know, take take it down. So I think it's an interesting question You know something that other countries do and I know that in this country could be anathema to some people to think that We'd help people actually stay in their homes, but when we think about paying for police and fire and hospital and all these other services The public is paying much much more so Anyway, I just thought I'd raise that um And just let you know I don't know what's happening. I don't know what's happening in our parking lot overnight and And I also think To peter's point the way I read it I I would add cemeteries and I realized that that means that we have to come back to another meeting to approve this policy Um, no, we don't oh, we don't we can just approve it with that And then we could amend it the policy I'm going to amend it or we you know, you have a couple different options We're already amending it. You could approve it as is And then we could look at how the how the best place cemeteries in here I come back to you and you could amend it next time. We could amend it on the fly right now You could approve that So a couple different options that you have at this point because there there is we have some Responsibilities was kind of my my understanding having worked with the sex dens this past summer We have responsibilities as a community with regard to how cemeteries are are up kept and so it makes sense Okay, Tom So yeah, I'm not opposed to the cemetery language But I I'd love to consider that at a future future meeting and I appreciate that you spoke right off the bat to the difference between the ordinance and the policy So the council approving tonight this policy since it's a new policy so that we can get some experience with it Is not saying we we don't support looking at making it an ordinance in the future So I support having this be a policy tonight And I also support looking at this becoming an ordinance when we get more comfortable with it over the coming year So that's where I'd be on moving this forward Okay, are you opposed to inserting cemeteries in 7.2 as like Because but at the end prioritizing Yeah, okay, including schools playgrounds cemeteries or facilities for the elderly Just inserting cemeteries. I mean, I don't think we need to come back to see it printed Really? Good. Okay. Is that amenable to everyone? Okay Further comment, I just want to say I Appreciate the work that went into this and the fact that you that it was pulled together from from other communities that have Faced the same challenge and it's it's respectful. It provides for alternative Places for people to live if they're available at that time, but it also seeks to to strike that balance between People who live, you know next to city land where somebody's encamped and there are Some hazards, you know related to that so I think this is a good place to start And the other aspect that we spoke about last time is that The intent of this is not to criminalize encampments or or houselessness or homelessness It's really to find alternative placements for people and use the resources that we have to to find shelters for people that are If it becomes a problem in the city not on city land Okay, sandy you wanted to make a comment Sandy juliana not speaking as a member of the affordable housing committee. I'm speaking as someone who's lived in the city for 50 years um, first I want to thank you for changing the period that people can retrieve their property from a week to 30 days um the thing I wanted to Emphasize is that I see from my perception. It's the level of protection that you're offering to people who Whose only home is an encampment there essentially without conventional housing um, and I one of the things we've been looking at is Is what we want to have in the housing chapter Comprehensive plan and there's no mention of people without housing in it now and I had looked at actually portland mains Complan and it talked about homelessness And so I'll just mention in response to Megan's question Is that a high proportion at least in portland are people with serious substance abuse problems and And many have mental health Challenges and many have both So, um That's probably what you'll find out here in burlington too And the other thing I would just mention is this issue of people To a certain degree finding them themselves without housing is is a product of our housing crisis and not having enough housing especially not enough affordable housing And also I do think the opiate crisis and our much greater Challenge uh relating to that has exacerbated the problem but what I just wanted to say is I think of the level of protection that people have depending on their circumstances I as a person who lives in a house happens to be a homeowner or if I rented If the police wanted to enter my home Without my permission they would have to have a search warrant And in order to have a search warrant they would have to prepare The reasoning why they needed to to search that my home and they'd have to get a judge to approve it So I fortunate me who is not without housing Has the protection of two branches of government The executive branch police and the courts Um But if I were homeless That's why I think an ordinance is appropriate because You have no protection of the law Without an ordinance in terms of if something goes wrong And in terms of Justice and equity I I believe that an ordinance is the appropriate way to The context within which these procedures should be adopted I do like um palms Suggestion of having the policy now and then moving toward an ordinance in terms of Frequency of change I'd be interested in how often the cities you communicated needed to Amend their policies, but um, I also I'll have to research I generally rely on the accuracy of VG jigger, but They said that the brawlington city council had adopted an ordinance in february Because the court had said A policy had no standing and nobody could go to court on the basis of a policy to See to have some redress our court intervention if they found that the policy hadn't The procedures had not been accurately That well there was the attempt to operationalize them. So I guess I you know That's where I see it's it's what level of protection does someone get in this society in this community for their home Whether that home is an encampment Or if it's somebody's house Thank you I'd rather spend six hundred dollars a month to let them stay in a house with four walls and heating rather than We have them give have access to our court system um Right. Oh, yeah. Oh, I agree with you But sometimes they have to leave their house because they can't afford and it's coming back a little bit But it's people who are coming, you know who are transitioning out of prison or out of foster homes That they tend to be very vulnerable and there was a third category that I can't remember Domestic violence probably I wasn't on this morning's report, but I'm sure I'm sure yeah Okay, well That we're not going to solve all that with this policy change but we are potentially going to give the the police and first line mental health workers a framework for how we wish them to treat these individuals and how you go about Getting them to a safer place to live I mean it is safety for them too. I don't think these encampments are Particularly safe environment right from what I've read Right. I mean maybe the couple living in their cars. That's different Just the two of them, but they're still subject to You know potential violence or somebody else Hurting them But it looks like we have one more person would like to speak and then I'd like to if that's There's no one else at home. Then I'd like this to Move on this with those amendments Thank you, uh, chrism believe 16 duvall Speaking as a resident not a member of the affordable housing committee um I just wanted to share this snippet from the national healthcare for the homeless council Homeless encampments are highly visible and troubling reminders of the housing crisis in our country encampments occur because there's a pervasive lack of affordable permanent housing in our communities um The city council has made some great um progress towards helping uh in in that area for south brolington, whether that's um some of the cost units at summit properties or Some of the our investment they've made on wilson road. So thank you for those contributions This is going to be something I think sandi alluded to that We didn't see it captured in the comp plan. So it's uh, we're particularly I think as a community focused on the point in time survey that's going to come out in january and kind of really understand like how bout is has this um Developed and uh with b-wrap money expiring and folks uh, and there's some some anxiety about How am I going to afford a place to live and having that stable housing? Helps them avoid being a person who's experiencing homelessness when I attended the um the housing conference a speaker Clarified that it's you know, you're not talking about homeless people. It's people experiencing homelessness. It's it's a point in time. They've Maybe they've fallen into a situation where they fell into that and you know, they didn't have that support structure that I think Megan was trying to articulate and just That housing is that is that stability piece? So look forward to a future collaboration. I would like to see this evolve into an ordinance The difference between a policy is sounds like it's the right time to get something moving forward, but thank you Senator Chittin for expressing support for a future ordinance that's um having protections for folks who there's nobody else here to speak for them and um, you know, it's not very often you see somebody experiencing homelessness whether it's a UVM student living in their car or it's You know, um, somebody who's fallen on a rough time. I got nowhere else to go something they don't know where to go. So um Thank you for that. Thanks. Thank you Oh, so Noah Hyman would like to speak Yeah, hi. Um, I just wanted to uh to take a moment to thank everyone for making so much time and putting so much energy into this um since um um the Orientation for me in the state house. I've started to get emails now from people and I'm actually getting a lot of emails about people who are about to experience homelessness or trying uh to negotiate to be able to stay in their homes. Um, I'm reaching out to um from on legal assistance programs trying to get people help. Um, it's just it's a very important thing. I just wanted to take a moment to thank you all for um putting it in the forefront here. That's all So are we ready to um adopt this policy with the one additional um Wording to include cemeteries in the list of places of emphasis I'll move to approve the proposed encampment policy with the addition of the Cemetery's in uh section 7.2 Second. Okay. You ready for the vote? Yes Okay, all in favor signify by saying yes. Yes. Yes. So the um policy is adopted. Thank you very much Thank you all Item 13 continued first reading on another ordinance to implement education impact fees instead of public hearing for a special meeting on January 23rd at 6 30 p.m Sweet Paul Connor and we are overworking Colin Just enough I'm here already. It's great. He's earning his keep. Yeah, okay Howdy folks. Um, so as discussed last month, um, you uh asked us to make a couple of changes To the uh draft before you want a public hearing. Um, those are incorporated in here. Those include a few typo corrections Clarifying or being stating that affordable housing is defined in the city's land development regulations is exempt and um the council wanted to see an adjustment to the way in which um any administrative fees are recouped and so um Staff's proposal in there would be to replace what was the four percent of the school impact fees with a straight hundred dollars per permit Which would apply to any individual permit whether it's for a commercial building or a single family home or a multiplex just across the board to cover the administrative costs and potentially It would be eligible for um funding future amendments to the impact fee ordinance though It's not a huge dollar amount that would be brought in so it's more likely to cover mostly administrative costs Just one clarification. So it's it's a hundred dollars for any Um Right, so that would be a proposed change that or any permit that would Trigger the use of impact fees. So if you're getting a deck, so we have then you wouldn't be doing You wouldn't most of the permits that we issued don't Trigger the use of impact fees. So what would trigger the use of impact fees would be an expansion to a building um or additional Or in the commercial side a change of use that created more trips So if you went from so this hundred dollars does not Um doesn't get attached to the school impact fee or any other fee. It helps fund your department It well, it's not necessarily our department because a lot of the cost is born city-wide So it winds up being in the finance side. Okay, um and the communication back and forth the school So it it you know goes to the general revenues, but it's an acknowledgement as Uh As jesse was describing the last meeting that there is an expense to the city for doing it You could choose if you like to apply it just to the school impact fee um for the administrative costs of that, but um what we Propose is that it applies to anything trade. Okay The impact fee anything Yeah, yeah, whether it's police or school or whatever Um Yes, just by way of introduction. Sorry. I should have said that We're in the Jonathan Slason from rsg is on Line as is tim jarvis the superintendent is not available tonight But tim is here on her in her stead if you have questions for them as well okay Are there any questions or comments from Anyone all right so I guess I would entertain a motion to set a special hearing on january 23rd at 6 30 p.m To it's 6 30. That's what it says. That's what it says Do you want to change it? No, I want so this is a special council meeting This is the night of the steering committee meeting where we pass budgets back and forth So the idea here is that you would hold a special council meeting for the sole purpose of this public hearing and possible action on this ordinance Immediately before you held held the steering committee with the school board So the advantage of that as the school board would also be here. It's an educational thing And you would do no other business that night other than those two things So that that's the motion we want So moved second Okay, any discussion you ready? Okay all in favor signify by saying I I I I Good job. Tim. He's a troublemaker. He is okay number 14 Opportunity for counselors and the public to share information and resources resources on climate change Any update? All right Any other business Always making a mess So I would entertain then a motion that tim is going to read About a executive session to discuss pending litigation. So I have a motion I move that the council make a specific finding that premature general public knowledge of a discussion of pending civil litigation To which the public body is a party would clearly place this public body at a substantial disadvantage second Any discussion? All in favor signify by saying I I So I now move that the board enter into executive session for the purpose of discussing Discussing pending civil litigation to which the public body is a party second All in favor And we will not be coming back into session Oh, we didn't invite anybody bringing into i'm sorry, uh, jesse baker, colin McNeil, amanda lappity and paul connor One more thing to sign All agreeable. Yes. Okay. Thank you