 I want to call the hearing to order at 6.34. And I'm sure everyone's looked at the proposed amendments. But the packets for the amendments that we're looking for comments on. And this is to the town plan. These are amendments to the town plan. I've been looking at. So I have them. You have them. Of course, we've already looked them over. As the diligence like board members that we are. So we're looking for the public to comment on the proposed town plan amendments. That's what I'm reading here. Public comment proposed amendments. And then the next thing is adjourn public hearing. But of course you won't do that so we could hear some. Julie has a hand up. Perfect. Yeah. Oh, no, I was waiting with bated breath. So I accept the record of Julie Potter. As an ordinary resident of town. But in a past life, not too long ago, I was chair of planning commission. And this particular item while I was still chair of planning commission, there was a lot of public engagement on it. At times, I think there were maybe 20 people who showed up. I mean, that doesn't happen in planning commission years. Not meeting. And the challenge was to try and deal with the immediate issue that has come up and you basically call with their better self narrative. Could I interrupt you? Because I can barely hear you up here. And I'm wondering if you can hear well enough. I can hear. Or to go out to the people in TV land. It's hard for me to know exactly how it's going to be heard online. It's a little low volume. Okay. So do you want to come closer to where the bikes are? Okay. I think part of it is the air handling system that's kind of loud. Yes. So I will recap, I'm Julie Potter. I heard you just there. And John and Judith actually don't know me, so. That's true. I live on North Street. I was chair of the planning commission when this issue came up. We had a lot of public engagement on it. And you may recall that part of it, what triggered looking at this is that the, there was a cell tower that was proposed on, take up, take up, take up, take up, take up, take up. And the community was none too pleased. And the town doesn't get involved normally in dealing with permitting for cell towers. That's the prerogative of the Public Utility Commission. But the only way the town, the town can't speak to the issue when it goes to the Public Utility Commission. But the only thing the town can really point to is language in a town plan. And state statute doesn't require that cell towers be discussed in town plans. So most town plans don't discuss it. And if you find one that does, it's because something happened in the past. The planning commission spent a lot of time educating itself, educating the public, educating you folks if you came to some of the meetings about what the process is, how the Public Utility looks at these sorts of issues, what the town can and cannot do. And so there are certain issues that the town has precluded from paying in on. The number one and most important one relevant to the proposal proposed tower was that federal law precludes towns or the state from making any comments about the public health issues associated with the radiation from a tower. If it meets the FCC standards, it's presumed to be okay and there's not much you can weigh in about it. But that was one of the big concerns that got raised, that in aesthetics. The planning commission spent quite a bit of time getting up to speed and what the issues were, the proposed tower went away. But the neighbors bought out the development rights. That's not the first time that's happened in town. But it's not inconceivable that this issue may come up again. And in order to try and find a way to provide the town with the kind of language that it can point to successfully and make a good case to the Public Utility Commission. It was important to try and develop language that would be recognized, but would explain what the issues are, recognize that there's various costs and benefits both the community as a whole and to the immediate neighbors, that it would articulate clearly in the areas where the town is allowed to raise questions and raise issues about cell towers, mostly dealing with aesthetics and natural resources, how the town would be looking at that and pointing to the language, which exists in the town zoning regulations. And, but you have to have all these pieces tied together in order to be able to make a successful case or to at least have the Public Utility Commission listen to you. They're not experts in town plans, so you've got to be pretty explicit. And in my opinion, the proposed language does a good job of trying to balance some of the issues, explain what the process is and who's allowed to do what. It does make it clear that there are areas that the town can weigh in, but it's not obligated to weigh in and areas where the town cannot, but it's not allowed to weigh in. But it does strengthen for the things where the town might choose to weigh in. It does strengthen the ability of the town to do that. And I think that that's something that is valuable for us because I think it may happen again that a tower is proposed and needs some kind of attention paid to it. The amendments also in the process of going through identified that there were some issues dealing with the scenic resources section in the town plan. That was new or I think greatly expanded. And there were some glitchy things that can't happen in production if you've ever worked on a big document. You know that sometimes cross references don't quite match up. Something's supposed to be in there and it got deleted. So there was a case where something was supposed to be on the map and it wasn't, but it was on the table. Something that was on the table supposed to be on the, you know, wasn't on the map table, but it wasn't on the map. Trying to fix those sorts of issues, provided a little more clarity dealing with aesthetics for dealing with tower kinds of issues and providing some of the justification for why have them out? So I think the homework was done. I think this provides the town what it needs to have without saying we're gonna pose or we're gonna approve. We're gonna support these sorts of things. It's a case by case kind of basis and the town plan needs to help allow the town to be able to look at it on a case by case basis and decide what, if anything, it wants to do. So I think it came out pretty well. And I'm not a crafter on this piece. I may be responsible for some of the things that didn't get the typotype issues in the previous town plan, but. So I'm not speaking as the author of this, but I'm speaking as somebody who supported getting it done and was involved reviewing it as it was being developed. So that's my case. Okay, but you're not really, you're sort of the public, but not really the public. Do we want the public to be? I am well informed, but I am not a member of Planning Commission any longer, which means I- You speak from a point, a place of knowledge. Yeah. Specific knowledge. So we're hoping that more people would come in that didn't have much knowledge about this, but we're curious to know about the changes. I don't see them anymore. Are they outside? Maybe, maybe Julie did such a wonderful job that why would anybody question the work? That's true. That's very true. No, Julie, Julie did a tremendous job as the chairman of the committee and researching and writing. So she deserves accolades for this work. Yeah. The town plan. Yes. And I was not, I did some research. Okay. Try and make sure we got the right speakers in and the right issues were being addressed. But I was not the drafter on this at all. Okay. All right. Mr. Chair, I'm sorry. Were we going to have a member of the planning commission walk through the changes or not? I was under that impression. So we did have, they came into our select board meeting. I don't know if you were there actually. No, I was. It's just, there's a PowerPoint and I didn't know if it was going to be in anticipation of the comments, but no, no. It doesn't look like it. Okay. We do have the town plan amendments in paper comp here. So we can go over those. But I was hoping the public would, because we have already ourselves gone through this at another meeting. I believe we just kind of introduced the topic. I don't think we began going. Oh, I thought we went through all the amendments. Didn't we? Was that? Yeah. Planning commission to be rejected. Yeah. Right. Page by page. I think you were in Spain. Nope. All right. Maybe. Yeah. I know, but I remember he came in and we went over every, every change. Yeah. So I don't see any more people. I guess we can wait. Maybe some people will come in. Because I think we allowed half an hour for. Who do you think might come in? Members of the public. Oh. Anybody specifically or? No, I don't. I don't have. I do not have names. Are you sure? Yeah. All people up. All right. All people up. I think. I put on some topics, but not on this one. We didn't have a huge amount of the public that came to the planning commission. Clarice might be able to answer that. I was, I was away when that hearing happened. But I don't think it was that well attended either. Oh. Okay. Maybe you just guys just scare him away. I guess so. Somebody scared him away. Somebody. So I had a question. Oh good. Perfect. Could I ask get a Julie or Scott or? Anybody you want. Okay. Just. Clarice. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see who else was up there. Clara, Clara. She's the vice, she's the vice chairman of the committee. I had to like cook my head around. Yeah. All right. My apologies. Looking at the town plan amendments or I'm not sure. Yeah, so we're on right now. Yeah. So chapter six, page 88, the first paragraph on the top, any proposal to install an array of large capacity must receive approval of a majority of the select board or five person committee appointed by the select board is conditioned to file it to get a public good. The board doesn't have authority and that's the public service board's jurisdiction and the statutes are pretty clear regarding its authority and jurisdictions versus the town's authority and jurisdiction. I'm just wondering what, what is our authority? I'm not familiar with what our authority would be to approve or deny a solar array for what stuff. Judith, you're working with something with different pagination than what I have in front of me. So you're in, you're in chapter six. It's under telecommunications infrastructure. Yeah. We're in the town plan. Yeah. And we're about some chapters. You're in energy and. Energy. And that's called chapter six. I got chapter six. Energy and energy conservation. Telecommunication, okay. Energy, what you're looking at. The different page. So it's a different bundle here apparently. It's part of it. So. It's actually in place. Yes. Okay. It's not an amendment. Okay. Well, we might want to think about changing that, but anyway. It's not up for grabs now, but what was your point just to be a lot of time? I don't think we have the authority. We don't, we don't approve or deny it's the public service board. And this says that we have to approve by three, three of the select board members have to say a RNA. So we don't have that authority. We can look at that length. Yeah. My part, I downloaded what was on the website. A number of planning conditions at different times. My understanding now is that the planning commission is looking at the developing an energy plan that would be yet another component to the town plan. So the question you raise would be, it would be timely to clean it up and sort of to them. And trust my own talent and skills. I'll look at the packet. Does anybody else in general have any more questions? Is this the time to ask when we've got time? Maybe I think you've got some more questions. Does it have to be about this? Oh, okay. Well, we're out of here. Oh, okay. I have questions. I don't know if you have questions about it. I don't think that's part of it. How to bake cookies. Yeah, exactly. 350. Well, as long as we have a little bit of time, I mean, I will ask, I'll preface this by saying that I had at least one town's person be concerned about that cell tower proposed for Jacob's road that it, oh, is this going to be 5G? And this person equates 5G with very bad. But in my understanding is 5G is an urban technology that the towers need to be fairly close to DH out, other work to work at all. But I'm just wondering about the future proofing of the ideas in here. Is there thought to what it might look like if there are proposals for a lot more smaller cell tower placements or does it fall under what's in here anyway? I mean, shorter in height? Yeah, yeah. Does that make any difference? Are we? Is there a minimum of maximum basically? Yeah. I thought there was a maximum though. Like if you put it, I mean, we don't have that many street lights first, but if you put them on street lights, for example. I think they were. There's one company, Southern Vermont, that was doing this actually end up in the Northeast Kingdom. They're putting them on, on, yeah. On life? Yeah. Yes. Like true 5G. Well, I don't know if it's 5G or not, but I do know that they were putting on some of these poles and actually were installing these shorter poles at certain locations. Wi-Fi and cellular communications out there. Without the tall tower. Well, unless something's happened since I was on the planning commission, the last proposal that came through for a cellular antenna was actually a term of form to put it on, which is our silo. And the planning commission looked at it and decided that there wasn't really any concerns about that. So, I mean, it's not like these things they're all have to be contentious. The ones that tend to be contentious, that's because they're big invisible and people don't like that. Or they're concerned that about some sort of energy or radiation that are from them. And as I said, if it meets FCC standards, it's not something the town can do anything about. So there might be other reasons. I mean, one of the issues that people raise, they might have ended up if it had gotten that far as they can serve with a tower on Jacob Road was its proximity to a stream, which was one of those sort of little streams that are down the hillside. But either the tower or the access drive or it was pretty close to the stream ended up wasn't being flagged in the application. And that's something that might have required some clarifying and some, you know, get experts out in the field to actually take a look and make some measurements. You know, those are sorts of things that the town can't weigh in on. How successful they'll be. And that's one of the questions. Okay, okay. I think we can close in here as early as we can. I'll just do that. It does. It's only five minutes early, but I don't think anybody else is coming. What does everyone else think? I think you're right. Oh, is there someone up there that wants to speak? I don't know. Oh, hello. I can't see very well. Who's the cat? Well, you have a better view. Are we missing somebody's hand there? Can we turn off the light there or no? That's not Clarice and who's the cat? It's a town office. Okay, all right. So I don't think we have anything there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see any hands up. Oh, you just have to play the commission members. Okay, yep. Okay. All right. Well, thank you very much for all the hard work. Yeah, thank you. Yeah. I'm sorry, more people of the public than Tom. So sometimes, I mean, my experience, more people tend to come out on the first sort of hearings. There was a lot of comment that the Planning Commission got from the community in the process of drafting things. I think once they went away, there was a lot less interest in it and I had to say several times as chair, there's no such thing as a quick town amendment, town plan amendment. And I think over time, people either, they had other things to think about. Their particular issue went away, but the Planning Commission was committed to try to finish doing what it started to do. Okay, there will be attention to it next time. There's a proposal and we can point to this and say, look what great work our Planning Commission did to prepare us for it. Hopefully that won't be circumvented by power money. Okay, so let's open, let's close the public hearing on the town plan amendments. It is closed. I think we're at 655. The next item, the public hearing on zoning regulation amendments. I'd like to call that hearing to order. Yes. Okay. Okay. It says list of start times for the second hearing and board meeting are approximate. The actual start times will be immediately after the conclusion of the proceeding event. That is. These are formally more. Okay. Yeah, we can wait. Yeah, I thought that gave a latitude. That was my interpretation. Should we do the marks? Are we allowed to do that? We have to start the board meeting and that doesn't start till 745. We can't do that. We can't do that. So you can make that go anytime. Right. So let's just sit here for five. We are seven. They're hearing. Okay. I'd like to open a hearing for the zoning regulation amendments. It's 701. The proposed amendments in our packets. And. We hope we'll get some public commenting on those amendments. Oh. We have somebody here that claims to be a member of the public. She's really a stand in for. Oh, let's see. Julie, did you have some stuff you wanted to say? Okay. Well, we'll accept your, accept the fact that you're representing the public. Yes. Okay. Well, I mean, I'm going to talk to the planning commission. You've got to represent it. Yeah. Well, we have talked to them. But we haven't seen you for a while. So perhaps you'll give us something. I mean, it's, it's nice not having to go to too many meetings. So. So. These amendments to the land use and development regulations have been a long time in the works. Yes. And it's had been flagged in 2013 town plan to do village zoning. And the planning commission got the grant and did. It's not. Tell your village master plan. But it's not enough to have it in the planning. You need to do the planning first and then you do the zoning to implement. And. These amendments represent trying to implement the each month failure. Village master plan. And. There were a number of other items that came up as. In conjunction with that. There were some other sections. Outside of chapter two. That needed to be updated in order to implement. What was on the east month. Village master plan. There were some issues that are cropped up and changes in statute. That needed to be updated. And the number one item there is. The. The regulations dealing with accessory dwelling units. There were some other definitions of issues and references to things that changed in state statute that came up. And then there were some things that the. Development review board told the planning commission. In their opinion, we're working very well or we've told us in his capacity as zoning administrator and working particularly well. And one of those had to do with setbacks and all the districts in the town. That it was just. The existing setbacks are quite large and deep back to an arrow where people wanted large setbacks, but that's not necessarily. What planning practice is these days. And so an awful lot of. Request for waivers or variances coming into the DRB. And professional planners will tell you if that's happening a lot, your setbacks are too big. And so in the process. Doing this version of. The proposed amendments to landings and development rights. Tried to stay. Kind of focus to. How do we, how do we implement the bill as master plan? How do we address problems or things that are. Clearly out of date. Relative to statute. And. I think it does that. I mean. Suppose that. Any given issues. Somebody might have a quibble with the choices that the planning commission may, but I think in the aggregate, it really does reflect. Trying to stay pretty focused. I think it does reflect. Kind of issues rather than take the big comprehensive thing, which by the way, is what the state is sort of pushing people to do. That putting a lot of money available for. Municipal zoning. Overhauls, but. The message was pretty clear to the planning commission. That there was such a thing as too much change. And so the planning commission tried to get it pretty focused. And so that's why. This represents. The intent of the planning commission to try and stay focused and also to implement the village master plan, which at the time that the planning commission was working on it. And. And approved it. Had quite a bit of public support. A lot of people came out. A lot of people were interested in that. The document that was produced with something that. It was a lot of work. It was a lot of work. It was a lot of work. It was a lot of support. So I would urge you to. Thank you. So you sound very educated for a member of the public. This one. I will take. The drafting credit on. Okay. Well, I knew that you were. I also, I also will take the. A number of type one that had. The last time the town. Was updated. I volunteered to deal with the document. Production. And found I had to. That had been like six different people with different ideas about formatting. In the. 20, whatever the. Before 2015, and I ended up having to retype the whole thing. And when you do that, there's mistakes that get made. And I had a proofreader and we caught a lot of things, but there's a lot that didn't get caught. We found it going through doing this and tried to fix those things too. Yeah. So now we're waiting for more promise from the policy. But do you see it? Anybody else dial in since we started? No. I don't see anybody here. Of course you can't help, they see the other thing anyway. So we have to wait another half hour, supposedly. No, you can start up early. You just... Yeah, that's what I thought. The actual start time could be me. That's the conclusion of the proceeding of that. Yeah. So time is written in stone, but the commencement is not at any time. But we'll wait a few more because somebody could be dashing and mad that you may want to say... Dare to dream, okay? Yeah. Anybody have a comment from the psych ward? I'm just saying we have a lot more turnout with the tree players. We had a lot of people for the tree players. That was a hot issue. I was going around them. Yeah. There's also a new issue. Messing with my trees. This has had a lot of iterations. A lot of people have already had a chance to comment. A lot of people have. Over the last number of years, because it's been going on for many years. Three, four? I went. Yeah, quite a few. From what I saw, these all make pretty good sense. Yeah. And I just think that changing the size of the access requirements and set inch and reducing the setbacks. Yeah. It just makes sense. Especially if you don't want people planning themselves on a 15 acre parcel of land everywhere. You might want to have a couple of houses on there. You think? Insighted in the right place. Right. Well, just so that we can make use of it and have some cluster construction maybe in the other village somewhere. Most of it. Lakefield. Calis. Calis. Because Calis is mostly one acre zoning, isn't it? They have? Have they boozed? I thought they had mostly one acre zoning. They have mostly loosely defined acreage zoning. It's not all one acre. Oh. They have a much more flexible approach. Oh. That's where you are still at the details. Who you are and what you are. Who you are. All the above. Very much. Julie, it's a national, it's a national trend to not make setbacks so large. Is that owing to a trend in, or why is that, do you know? It's, I think it's sort of a recognition that not every place needs to look like suburbia or look like 1970s suburbia. When there's a certain era of zoning. Eastmont Fillers, has some roots in some of that time period. Whereas what was standard practice in zoning was big setbacks and a lot of parking, it was very auto kind of oriented. And I think over time there's been a recognition that you don't always need long driveways that the large setbacks have meant a lot of historic homes that predate the zoning with the old farmhouses. They have just been really hard for their owners to do things because they're so close, a lot of them are so close to the road. They're really challenged with having these huge setbacks. And so the other thing is to mention that if you want to leave more space open and more continuous space open, then having large lots with long driveways and people plonking the house in the center of that large lot, that does nothing. It doesn't do anything for natural habitat. It doesn't do anything for even having the option for there being land that a farmer might be able to lease and farm, it's just not considered good practice anymore. So there has been a little bit trend to reduce setbacks. And as part of looking at this, we did take a look at quite a few towns in central Vermont, just as particularly ones have updated, there's just to sort of see what they do with it, just to sort of, are we really out in left field by doing this? And the answer came back now, and there was no, by having a smaller setback, it doesn't force somebody to build their house just at the edge of the setback. I mean, if they still want to put their house in the middle of their lot, they can, but we're not forcing them. It also provides a little more flexibility for a lot of towns that are developmentally challenged. They've got wet soggy areas, or they've got ledges, they've got all sorts of issues that make them kind of hard to develop, but giving people a little more flexibility how they do it is also good. But it's a real, fixing the setbacks, I think is a really good thing for people with historic homes. I mean, I saw that that I put a barn in on my old trail road, and if I was going to meet the town setback, it was going to put the barn in the field. But I wanted to put the barn where the barn, there used to be an old barn there, but it was too close. So I had to get a variance, I had to get a variance from the state, and I had to fight for that. But I said, look, it makes no sense to put that barn in the middle of the field, because it's going to be, this is not, that's usable land, where the old barn was, it was not usable. Let's put it there. And they gave me the variance, but it was the perfect answer or problem that you have addressed in the setback. And I've never understood why there ever were 70s-era setback regulations for the reason that you just articulated. If people wanted to build their lots without those setbacks, their houses way back, they could still do it. What possible interest is it of the town to force people to do that? Yeah, to have them so close. I mean, not, what's the problem? Yeah, exactly. So many regulations. You've got to get a certain momentum going to get it changed. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. If you want to why I was in here in the first place. Exactly. I think somebody just want to change things. Look at all the farmhouse, the farmhouse I grew up in, in Marshall, you know, that's right near the road, right down the road. But they were near the road because first of all, you had to have grain deliveries. Yeah, you had to be able to get your cattle in the field and pass across the road or whatever you just want to be close to it. And you didn't want to shovel your driveway from 65 or 100 feet. Well, and also the road was smaller too. Right, no, the road's got a lot wider. Right, but still. I mean the road actually, what happened first, there was a chicken in the egg. Did the house happen? And then they made a path to the next house. You know, it's like, was there a road to start with it? They built the house? Probably not. They probably just built the houses and then there was a path. You know, it was kind of like evolution, you know, that happened first. But they had good reasons to build close to the roads. Of course. I had to shovel my yard. I want to be as close to the road as I could. Well, you still do. No, I'll shovel my yard, but yeah. Yeah, but I know that on my farm, the buildings are right close to the road. Right, exactly. That's the reason. Yeah, sometimes too close, but the road's got bigger and the buildings are still there. Right. Yeah, right. Yeah, so I don't see anybody madly dashing in, but maybe they are waiting out there. No, you go like this. You get up and look. Maybe if we stick around till tomorrow or something. Yeah. What does everybody think? Should we wait longer? I'm satisfied. It's 20 after you only cut it short by 10 minutes. No, no, no. This is a 745. Oh, jeepers. Yeah, it's 45 minutes to allow. But that's just a throw-out note. I know. You don't have to even read mostly. Yeah, it was just a gas, an educated gas. OK. Which is acceptable. Yeah, I think we should kick the ball down the road and the hearing. But I certainly want to do it prematurely. I don't see anybody. You feel it's very short. I think it's appropriate. OK. Postmature. OK, I think that the public comment on the proposed amendments is ending. And we should adjourn. We will adjourn the public hearing at 7.20. OK. So now we will open the select board meeting at 7.20. And we call the meeting to order. Do we have any additions to the agenda? I don't see any on the select board. Does anybody else have any? Anything to add to the agenda? No. I don't see a staff. Do you folks on the other side? I checked with Carly said no. OK, we don't have any additions to the agenda. Let's review the minutes June 6 and June 13. And we have, I have some. Let's see. I have a, and I should have checked this before. Didn't have a personnel matter at the end of the, didn't we have an interview on that day? On June 6. Yeah. Because that's not, did I miss it? I was there, I think I was there. No, there were two. The 13th was for like a very brief meeting. Yeah, I was a special meeting. What took place on the 6th. OK. On June 6, I wasn't there at the beginning of the meeting. Yeah. So that isn't here. That's not reflected in the minutes. You're right. So we need to wait. No, no, no. No, you called the meeting order 630. Right here. Zoning a minute. That's a good amount of money. No, I should take it. Sure. That's a little wasted. We went into executive session at 6.50 and exited at 8.10. Never mind. I have something a little bit above that before on June 6, which we seem to be. The minutes, I did not present the minutes. They were minutes that Gina had taken, I believe, but I think it's just sufficient to say the board reviewed the draft minutes in both cases. Under minutes. Under minutes of board review, the draft minutes of May 16th and of May 23rd, instead of Mr. Atenayer presented. And then on the second page, I might have been dozing. But under the town clerk report right in the middle of that paragraph at the top, it said, the board discussed possible benefits to keeping the checks. I remember that part. Yes. And then it said, and determined that if information on the check was needed, it could be obtained by requesting an image of the check from the bank. I thought we decided once we threw away the checks, we couldn't get that information on it. No, it's always the bank always has it. The bank always has it. The bank always has it. And that's how the image of the check. And that's how the conversation went to. OK. So, you know, we excuse you for sleeping. Yes, OK. Very good. Under the consideration of the warrant to impound unlicensed dogs, Mr. Atenayer recused himself from this vote. I'd like to add, as he serves as a town's animal control officer, just to explain the reason for the recusal. Did you have something, Judy? No. I've got something on the next page. OK. I have something on the next page, too. Do you want to go first? We both have a similar maybe. OK. Board of Listers request to consult town attorney. I don't think we need to go into great detail on that, because part of the concern was that we not go into great detail on the request. So maybe that they wanted to talk with them. We decide we, the board, determined by consensus that if there were an appeal file, they can consult with the attorney at that time, something like that. I've got some language here that, and I'm going to email this to Gina anyway. So if we're OK with this language, we can use it. It is simply the board of Listers would like to consult with the town attorney about possible legal action against the town. No, I would get rid of about possible legal action against the town. OK. And just consult with the town attorney. Yeah. And then the final sentence with some modification the consensus was for the board of Listers to consult the attorney only if legal action is necessary. No. How would you say that? If an appeal is filed, they can consult with the attorney. So wait a minute. We didn't give permission for them to consult. Correct. We didn't. We didn't. No. No, I know that. Yeah. So you don't like the paragraph because it's fairly accurate to me. It's accurate, but we don't want that in the public record. Why is that? Even though it's already in the orca tape. As I identified during the meeting, identifying that you want to consult with an attorney and why is revealing information that could be harmful to the town and the town's interest in that legal action. So my my preference was, and I think Carl's initial or the beginning part of his amendment was they wanted to talk with the town attorney. The consensus was if an appeal is filed, there's enough time for the Listers to consult with the town attorney. How about the consensus was this is not a timely request? Are we are after the first chance? No, the board of Listers would like to consult with the town attorney period. The consensus was this is not a timely request period. Replace the whole thing. That's fine. I mean, I don't know if that's going to make a lot of sense to somebody reading this. Yeah, but I thought you were going to leave the first. OK, so what's the paragraph read now? How's it read? The entire paragraph is the board of Listers would like to consult with the town attorney period. The consensus was this is not a timely request. All right, I mean, that makes sense. Yeah, I guess if we're trying to kind of shroud it a little bit fine, right? It's short. Yeah, OK. OK. And then I had something on the next page. This is page four, the COVID vaccination. It's the final sentence in the first paragraph, or the only paragraph. The consensus was that the mandates are hard to justify. Now that the state has dropped its mandate, we did talk about the state dropping its mandate. I'm uncomfortable saying that or implying that that is a reason for us to not justify our mandates because we have a history of imposing mask mandates when the state hasn't had one. So I'd like to just strike that that the state has dropped its mandate. The consensus was we did say that. We did say that. Yeah, we said it. We did refer to the state dropping its mandate. Right. But I don't know, if I was to be part of the consensus, I would say that mandates are hard to justify now. And I note that the state has dropped its mandate, but that's not a reason for me to have a hard time justifying the vaccine mandate now because we operate independently from the state. Well, I don't know. The consensus sounds accurate to me because I remember saying that or somebody said that. Yeah, but it wasn't a consensus, clearly. Well, what's a consensus? It's not a, you know. Consensus was the mandates are hard to justify. Now that the state has dropped its mandate. So I remember we said that, but. I didn't say that. And a consensus by definition is all five people agreeing. So if you have one person who doesn't agree with it, then it's not a consensus anymore. But there was a consensus that the mandates are hard to justify. And we can say the majority. Majority? Yeah. Majority of the board. They could just call everybody out, individually. Okay, so Carl's objecting to the consensus in that sense. No, I'm, well, I know that we said it. Either that or I'm objecting to the mandate. We did say that. Do you understand what I'm saying, though? You're saying a consensus. You're saying you agreed to, you agreed to drop the mask mandate, but the vaccine mandate. I mean, the vaccine may even not for the same, not because of the same reason. Not because the state dropped there. No, but because just as we talked it over, it didn't make any sense to do it anymore. I think it's. Majority of the board. And we already have other reasons in the paragraph that we talked about for dropping. So we talked about a number of reasons for dropping it. Various people emphasize them in different ways. And the consensus was that it's hard to justify now for a totality of reasons. Not just for the one reason listed in that sentence. Well, just paying for a totality of reasons. Or you could say, you know, that the bit about the majority of employees have been vaccinated now. You know, that's a separate sentence. So you could say the state has dropped its mandate. And if I may, the discussion was the state's mandate on its employees. I mean, that's just a fine distinction. And forgive me. Now the state has dropped its mandate on vaccinated employees. Yeah. It's the same thing. I just, I don't, I don't, I'm not advocating for a change. I'm just clarifying by the state mandate. That's what we're referring to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we can, we can record that that was talked about, which is true. Yeah, so we could say the majority of employees have been vaccinated and keeping the policy is unlikely to get them vaccinated if they haven't done so by now. Period. The state has dropped its mandate on its employees. Period. The consensus was that the mandates are hard to justify now and that the board can revisit the topic. That's definitely a mouthful. But it's fine with me. That's fine. Good enough. You realize you can just drop the word consensus because you have a motion. Yeah. By definition, motion, Trump's consensus. We had a motion and it was unanimous. No. No, you, you, you vote. I'm not, I'm not arguing. Okay. I'm not arguing that we did not have a consensus to drop the mandate. Right. You're saying that you don't agree with consensus because the reason that you voted was not because the state thought it made it. Exactly. Yeah. And so it's inaccurate. But the language I suggested is accurate. Okay. So anything else? That's it. Okay. And that is the June 6th minutes. We need a motion to approve them as amended. So moved. One second. We have a second. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. All right, have it. Now we go to the June 13th meeting, which I was not at. Well, it was a special meeting. It was a special meeting. And, and you're not special. You're not special. That's okay. I was in the field. That's a good thing. Yeah, I thought these were fine. I just had to, should board be capitalized? That's good. When we're saying board. And where? Where? In past protocol kind of it's a left board was, but board wasn't. But we can go either way. I don't think board should be capitalized. I will not. I will not allow that. Okay. That's fine. Okay. A healthy debate. I know. Just like, that's all good. I'm bored. B-O-R-E-D. Yeah. Like, bored. B-O-R-E-D. And in, regarding the discussion, I think the discussion included, I'm not sure that it was expand, when talking about issues of racial equity, I think it's important to always say inclusion, not just diversity because it's, so I thought when I spoke on this topic, I had mentioned her work and her goals of racial equity and inclusion. So just ideas to expand racial inclusion or issues of racial equity and inclusion. That would be my suggestion. That's in the next slide. The first paragraph, yeah. I would just add inclusion. After racial diversity. Ideas to maybe discuss or expand issues of racial equity and inclusion. Instead of diversity. Okay. Judith, you're talking about the Mr. Etniar sentence, right? Share the, wait, so which, I'm sorry, I couldn't figure out what you're talking about. Third sentence now. Oh, okay. The third lying down on me. Oh, potential ideas shared that he spoke about, potential ideas to discuss issues of, because you're inviting her in to that. Okay. That was my suggestion. And instead of racial diversity, issues of racial equity and inclusion. Gotcha. Okay. That's fine with me. Sure. Okay. I'll put those words in my mouth. I think they were there. All right. So we need a motion to approve it. The minutes, the two and 13 minutes. Show moves. Oh, sorry. Oh, you have another. Okay. Nope. My little notes myself. So Amy made a motion. Do we have a second? Second. We have a second. Judith made a second. All those that favorably say aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes appear to have what they do have it. Okay. Public comment. You're public. Yeah. Okay. You have a comment. Oh, good. I do read the minutes. I read the agendas when I come out with this last word. I don't always read the minutes. No, you don't. Why? Because you do. No, it's just what, so it puts a little context around my question, which maybe I'm sort of just looking for a little information about my understanding is that Town was gonna get a sizable chunk of money from coming through from the feds in the state dealing with our money. And I didn't know whether the town actually has a plan for how to spend that or whether any decisions have been made about how to spend it. So we have not made this. Is there a plan? Well, not yet. Not yet. Okay. We have some time to talk to them. Yeah. I've just sort of- And there are some options. I hadn't seen anything that said- We didn't accept the standard proposal, which means that we can put the money into our general revenue stream sort of and spend money on other projects, the money that comes. We can take that money and actually pay our expenses of that if it meets certain criteria. And then we can take our tax revenue that comes in and we can spend that on certain projects if we so choose. So that's kind of where it's at. We've talked about wanting to get a lot of public on this because this is a big chunk of new revenue to the town. And we have not formulated that process yet. One reason we've been kicking that can down the road is because there are still some questions about how we can spend that money. But we did accept a plan, standard proposal it was called. We chose a certain path. And now as we move forward, we can choose certain projects or whatever as long as they meet certain criteria. And we're not quite certain on all the criteria, which is I think what you alluded to, because we loaned some money or give some money to the projects- What's it called? Yeah, the Fiverr company is putting up the loan. And so we had discussed that before, but now it's just a little uncertain whether that could happen, whether we could do that. Do you have any recommendations on the best, whether or how to look for public input on how do you spend that money or on what to spend that money? I didn't come tonight with thoughts about that in mind. But if you're, it's always possible to try and see if you can do a little survey or get people to come to a meeting. So first we have to get right criteria. But you need to understand what you can and can't do. Yeah, well, you can't do that. And that's kind of where it's at. Okay, so I haven't missed anything, thank you. No, not really. But thank you for your question. So you have been scrutinizing the minutes, it sounds like. No. No, I just- That's the agenda. Oh, just the agenda. No, I just want to- Oh, that's right, you're going to read that you don't always read all the minutes. And if I've read all the minutes, you would know exactly this, but I don't think you would have because. All right, so that's your public comment. Okay, so thank you. So, do you have something to say? No, no, no, no, no, I'm just agreeing with everything everybody was saying. That's really not safe. Keep it right in the middle. Yeah. So the next thing on the agenda is review of hearing feedback and discussion on next steps. So we can start with the discussion on the town plan amendments. What's the next step? Well, it's in our annotated agenda. We can propose a, we can set a date for a second public hearing and July 11th is proposed here. I won't be at our meeting that day, but that's fine. But we have a quorum that day. I have one comment. Do you think you're going to need a bigger, maybe it's like a scary auditorium, maybe? Because I think we had enough room. Maybe we could use a state house. In my opinion, we had enough room tonight. Yeah. You never know. Why don't we set the next hearing, the managerial hearing for July 11th? Is there enough people going to be here? I should be. I'll be here. I'll be here. Okay. So there's at least four of us proposed date of July 11th. Sounds good. Can we just take note of that? Okay. Oh. Yeah. I want to move it back to the office. Oh, yeah. It's set for here. Can we move it back over there? Well, I don't want to leap to conclusions about poor attendance. Doesn't matter to me. This is kind of a nice place to meet actually. Yeah. Sounds good. The floor is flat. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I guess we'll have it here. Good question. Okay. So we, on the next set of amendments to the land use and development regulations. Hi, John. So all those in favor of adopting the proposed amendments to land use and development regulations, please say aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes appear to have it, they do have it. That takes care of that. Okay. Good work planning commission. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Julie Potter and the rest of the play. Oh, you're not on your group, but you worked a lot on it. So, yeah, the regulations will take effect in 21 days. Okay. Perfect. That's one of those. Those aren't your speakers, are they? You don't control them. Huh? Maybe it's a test. Okay. It's a storm coming. Yeah, right. Yeah. Are we still being recorded? Yes. Okay. Perfect. Can you still hear us? I just blew out his ear. So now we have a town treasury board, is that? I am going to cover that. Okay. So I've noted in the memo kind of where we stand. As of today, we are sitting in a budget surplus of 49,000. However we expect to probably incur the rest of that between the final payroll of the year and then invoices that are going to come in to essentially be somewhat of the brink even. And looking at some of the fund balances that we have, we'd like to make two adjustments to release 25,000 of the current $55,000 fund balance that is currently reserved for unused vacation and sick. The reason for that is we have a large payment paid out throughout the fiscal year that it's now complete. So the kind of remaining need for that reserve should be less. I would like to dig into a more detailed analysis of this in FY23, but right now this seems to be a kind of fair estimation to still ensure we have an adequate reserve going into next year and then we will likely refine this number even further as the new treasurer and I dig into numbers a little bit more. And so future needs basically. Correct. Yeah. I mean, realistically we should be able to break this down. That's right. So we're going to go into numbers and hourly rates and get to a very solid number. It's just, you know, haven't had an excessive amount of time to dig into those just yet, but we will, we will get there. Yeah. And when you say release, you mean transfer to the general fund? Yes, we're going to transfer to the general fund. Correct. And then the same thing for the treasurer transition, there was a $25,000 fund established for that. Obviously we're working our way through that. So we'd just like to reduce that to still hold 10,000 in that for FY23. And then obviously that fund will ultimately end up going away after FY23, but we'll maintain that 10,000 and release that into the general fund. Yeah. Okay. So is that intended to cover the cost? Are we expecting to have two treasurers for a portion of FY23? We have for a limit until August. Yes, that's the plan. Yes, yes. So to cover that. Correct. Correct. Yeah. Don, to help us get through the audit and all that kind of fun stuff. So yeah. Okay. So that's really kind of where we are. And like I said, probably we'll get into, you have two pretty strong numbers people now sitting in your TA and treasurer position. So we will be digging into a lot of things at much deeper detail as we get into FY23. So. We just had estimations before. Yep. We have more solid numbers. Yeah. We had estimations. You know, I think we have good estimations that we've gone into, but I like data. So we'll probably be enhancing, not probably, we will be enhancing a lot of spreadsheets and financial analysis going forward. So Michelle and I have had a lot of very high level discussions that we'll start digging into, you know, especially as both of us are fully engaged in our roles and we're kind of migrating away from the transition time and we're all in. Sure. Yeah, sounds good. So would it be fair to say on the basis of all of this, if we do those transfers that we would end the year with a 35,000 or 40,000 plus? Yeah, it's hard to know, you know, what the highway funds or highway costs will be. That's probably the biggest thing I don't know. Other things I have a pretty good handle on. When do you buy gravel? When do you buy sand? Exactly. So, so yeah. Yeah. You know, that's not too bad either. If you think about it, I mean, you really, you really, it's any budgeting is in this realm, like for $2 million budget is like an estimate. You know, you can't predict what's going to happen. It caused you to have more overtime or less overtime or higher healthcare costs or whatever. So that, that's nothing. Yeah. It's pretty close, especially considering some of the doubled up of, you know, costs that we have had as we've worked your transition. So it's, yeah, it's pretty impressive. I think it's pretty good. Yeah. Okay, so we need a motion to that effect, correct? We do. To release the whole money into the into the, into the general fund, fund balances into the, sorry. The amount that's reserved for unused vacation and sick time and for the treasure transition to release that into the general fund as noted here. Okay. Sure. Sure. Is that close enough to a motion that you can get it? Any further discussion on that? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. I'm sorry. I missed who made the motion. I made the motion. Behind this mask. And you just made a second. Okay. So that ends the treasure report. Yes. So we put the personnel matters at the end. I don't think we need an executive session. I was just about to say, yeah, I don't know that you need, I think all the data we can just outline what was agreed to at the June 13th meeting pass that motion to extend that offer. Well, it has been extended, but to record it in the records based on the last meeting. So. Did you want to have an executive session or anything? No. No, I'm good. I'm actually fine. And we're required to explain our reasons for hiring an open session. So we can do that now. Yeah. I'm gonna recuse myself. Sure. I can take charge of the meeting. Okay. So is there anyone who'd like to explain the reasons that we have extended the offer to Tyson Brown to be our zoning administrator at 24 hours a week? Did we say? Yes. An average of 24 hours per week. Correct. If I'm gonna say anything, I'd say he's the most pause-like candidate. I agree. He absolutely was. Yeah. So I just have a question. We have good reviews on the record. Yeah, sure. We're taught. When are you gonna have them start working? Wednesday. Okay. So we asked for a little time. Correct. Happy to meet you. Yeah. We will have one week. So then we'll have one week of a relapse with having people with us. Yeah. He had absolutely stellar references too. Yes. And we appreciated that he had the technical skills to do this job, even if he has never done zoning administrator work per se, but he definitely, I mean, just his construction work and everything. He has definitely skirted around zoning and stuff. I think he's lived up to the zoning. Yes. Yes. He said he adhered to zoning. Yes. Yes. Rather than skirted. What did I say? Did I say the wrong thing? Did I say skirted? Yeah. Sorry. I'm very nice to say. And here too, like that tape. Yes. Off of a head. I didn't mean to just sound like he was doing something better. No, he didn't sound bad to me. He skates around it. He skates around the mission that he glides. So, let me see. We already made the motion to extend him the offer. He's accepted. And later on. We didn't make a, we haven't outlined the specifics in the motion. I think we were directed in the June 13 meeting to have a conversation with them and extend that, but we haven't outlined the specifics yet. So we need to clear that up. Okay. So if we move to accept his acceptance of our offer under the terms of the letter that you sent him. Yeah. So it was a $30,000 salary for an average 24 hour per week. Okay. Our time position. Okay. As zoning administrator. Correct. With benefits. With benefits. Our personal policy. Yes. In accordance with the personnel policy. Exactly. Yeah. Perfect. Okay. That sounds like a motion I'm willing to make. Now I'll second it. Okay. No way. I'm cheering this. So sorry. Let's have somebody else make the motion. I wonder what you're doing, but I don't dare say it. You've made the motion. Does anyone want to second that motion? Okay. Any more discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay. The motion appears to pass, motion passes and a return the chair to you. Okay. So that was the zoning administrator. That's taken care of. So we have appointments next. Yes. Appointments. The annual charter based appointment. That would be town clerk, town clerk, town treasurer, assistant town treasurer. We need to make those appointments. No, I'm just saying there's a whole list right here. Oh, I have. I was looking at this. You know what this is? You want to look at it? No, I can probably find something in here. I want a list of each. Yeah. What's that in? It's in your packet. Oh, it's in my packet. It'll be after the, it'll be after the financial reports and the, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do we need to appoint Don to any position if he's going to continue doing his work? We've already switched up to select your current taxes and treasurer. So she's essentially continuing with those. But now. Okay. So what's his position? He's got a backup treasurer. Just not the official appointed treasurer. Okay. But are we allowed to have more than one assistant treasurer? Well, no, no, no, he's not really appointed as seen. So from what I understand, I mean, you can call someone a title. He's a consultant. Yeah. He's essentially a consultant treasurer. Yeah. Okay. Then one item I realized I forgot just now to put on this bullet point is the E 9-1-1. That's the way that gets you into it. The E 9-1-1 coordinator has historically been the zoning administrator. I don't know how the board, you know, we have a zoning administrator just now coming in. I can take that appointment now as this person comes up to speed or does the board want to go ahead and have the new zoning administrator go ahead and assume the E 9-1-1 appointment. I think if you're comfortable with taking that appointment, it would be really helpful for you to do it. Kelly's a little bit more up to speed. He just moved to town. Yeah. That was my thought. Yeah. I felt that that's why I wanted to offer that up as an option. So if the board is comfortable with that, then I'm comfortable with that as well. He will, of course, support me in that, but I think that we can kind of be learning together, but at least it takes that office plate so he has time to focus on learning the CA aspects of his role specifically. And then we can adjust in the future as needed. Do you have a sense of how much work that involves? Mildly, but I'm okay taking that on my plate. I don't think it's not a lot. That's assigning the numbers, right? And the CA will have to provide, a lot of it's connected to your point assigning numbers that are gonna be before the DRB. So the zoning administrator is gonna be highly involved in the process. It's just this is more of that point person that's helping to ensure information is communicated appropriately and we need to have a name associated with that. So like I said, just to allow him, Tyson a little bit more time to... And you'll be the point person, you'll do it together. Yeah, exactly, exactly. But I thought if I could take the, this is to me taking the administrative, a lot of the administrative off of him, that was my kind of proposal. Right. And there's stuff, I would guess there's stuff that doesn't really belong to the zoning administrator, like that change that we made to take on, to take away the hyphen, that wouldn't have come through the zoning administrator. Yeah, that would be an E911. Yeah, exactly. And that came probably to you, to your attention first tone, or Bruce's depending who was watching the email. Right now, given that it's been both, there's gonna be this very gray area that Tyson and I will be walking, that there's gonna be a lot of people confused. They've been used to going to one person for both aspects for a very long time. So we will work together on that and likely calling each other and balancing things back and forth. So. Yeah, there's gonna be some questions. And other than that from the charter-based appointments, essentially outside of the staff transitions that are in place and replacing those names accordingly, it's pretty consistent with what you've had in the past. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I moved the slate of proposed 2022 East Montpelier appointments as listed with the addition of Gina as the E911 administrator. Second. Any further discussion? I just have one. Recording in progress. One comment is, Ty Roland is still on here as fire warden. He did reach out to me a week or two ago and said he was willing to keep doing that in my as well. That role, so I don't think he has a lot of, he definitely has a demand for role in the fire department. Those are active appointments right now, so he's gonna stay active. Yeah, the only thing we're really working on right now is that first top section. Oh, you're not doing it at all, okay. The rest of those are just recons. Oh, okay. But what's already in place. Actual appointments, yeah. So he's appointed until the end of this year. 2020. Yeah, 2020. So if, I mean, the fire department might come to us and say, hey, look, we like to send our people who are here working out to give those burden permits. So let's get somebody else. Well, that's what's always happened. They've always sent various people out. Right, but if they want to change it, then they can come to us. Well, they got to 2023, so. Right. Yeah, I misunderstood that. And now I understand the list that we have. Okay, so we have a motion? We do. We have a second. All available, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. I didn't mean to confuse the issue. It must be tight thought his current was done. So the next thing is employee pay rates for 2023. Do you want to go and check the sessions in that? Yeah. Okay. You want to do that at the end? Yeah. We can move that to the end. Okay. Banking account updates. So this is two additional accounts that are investment accounts, Northfield and North Country that we simply need to add myself and Michelle get the account switched over. So it's just, I specifically called out People's United the last time we discussed this. I did not make a blanket banking. So I want to ensure that it's in the minutes and in the record that there are two additional banks, Northfield and North Country that also need to have the personnel shift reflected in the administrators of the account. Okay. If the board agrees with that. Yeah. Okay. I move to prove updating access to the Northfield and North Country investment accounts to include Gina Jenkins and Michelle Palace to update access and signing authority for these. Perfect. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All in favor, take it out. Yes. Thank you. A really good question. First I would like to run for a second. My o Bra aqua plan is delayed and valid and I know it does not keep in any more than 1,200 bank accounts. Discussion on town management. Light of COVID-19. Not a whole lot of change. We're low and the number is lower at least from where we were last time. So, yeah. And I will probably remember Okay. Everyone's good on that. Access permit. Cross old railroad. For power. We have an application. And very important. Guthrie has already approved. He has discussed it with the. With the landowner as well. So he is well versed on and very clear on what they will be doing. And it's comfortable with. The work to be done. So I will. I don't remember the last time we've done one of these, but I'm glad that Guthrie has discussed it with them. And they're clear on what they're doing. The permit itself doesn't have any conditions. In it. Yeah. Guthrie didn't feel that was actually specifically discussed and he didn't. He was comfortable with this discussion with them. And what they were doing. It didn't. Feel it necessary to write any conditions. So. He's just digging a trench. Yeah. And how deep is the trench and. Is it going to be lined and that sort of thing. I mean, I would expect things like that. To be in there. I'm sort of. Sort of hesitant to give a blank check. But if Guthrie has that. I. In mind, I mean, it's probably a work for him for five minutes to fill that out. So the utility. Would require. They usually require a conduit. But that's not really part of the town's. Per view. It's the utility. Right. But how deep it is. That's going to. Well, they have. They have a standard. Right. Four feet or whatever. Yeah. I mean. That's not our. We don't have a standard for that. I don't believe. The town. But the utility. So you use wash electric. Or. It's wash electric. Yeah. Yeah. They have a standard and how far down it has to go. But the town doesn't have a standard. So. I said, what the town has is a standard for a trail. Not even a. And so it probably has to be left to the same condition. Before. But I don't know if there's any other conditions that would apply. Right. Okay. So. What I'm hearing you say is that. We don't need to put any conditions on our permit because by definition, it will have conditions from the electric company. Yeah. We don't need to. Right. Yeah. Okay. I guess I'm more comfortable with that. Yeah, I'm just thinking about when I put in power along that same road. Yeah. Is. I just did it myself. So. They see they had jurisdiction. Only to the pole. We have jurisdiction. Usually. After the break at the meter. No, because I put a mirror in on my bill. But they inspect it. Right. Because they did. They inspected. Let me think. They inspected. Maybe they inspected by ditch and. Condor. Any line losses to that meter. They would pay for it. So they put the meter on the pole and then it went to your property. They could care less what you do after that. Because any line losses. I know. So I put the meter on the building and dug the ditch. And they inspected it. That's what happened. Carl, do you want us or recommend that they adhere to any. Requirements of the utility as part of our permit. I would say. Okay. Well, I think that's implicit anyway, but whatever. To put it in. If it's in person. I suppose. Yeah. The utility has jurisdiction over them. So I put the meter on the building and dug the ditch. And they inspected it. That's what happened. Yeah. Carl, do you want us or recommend that they adhere to any. Requirements of the utility as part of our permit. So. Yeah. We have jurisdiction over the actual installation of power. But we have jurisdiction on. It's a road. Not the power part of it. So we don't, we don't have jurisdiction. Right. Yeah. We don't understand. Well, no, you can make it more restrictive. If you want to say this, that'd be five feet. I guess. This is town, town has. The town trail. Yeah. It's still considered public highway. Yeah. Well, it's public trail. Trailer road. Yeah. Okay. So. I move to approve permit 22. Oh, 41 the trench and old trail road for our access. On the condition that the applicant. I think that's good. Conforms to conforms to power company requirements and the agreement with room for men. Guthrie Perry. Good. That's good. I'll second it. Oh, it's a favor, please. Hi. Hi. Nice to have it. Ah. Once. Right here. It's sinking. Yeah, we're not going to finish before we were supposed to start, but it's not much. Much after that. Wow. Yeah. We started losing time with tomorrow, right? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't bring it. It's fighting back. I want this on the record. We're fighting back into winter. After tomorrow. We haven't had somebody yet. Yeah. Yeah. No space. We should sell board members together. Yeah. Stick out in your mind. There's quite a few checks. Quite a few. Quite a few expenses. Get him paid before the end of the fiscal year. Yeah. Which software is Avenue. Yeah. Yeah. I just saw one warrant in here. So they haven't done these. The payroll vendors know. Right. Those bills have not come in yet. So, okay. We will likely be receiving a call or a text from Denise. Yes. Okay. I just want to make sure I didn't miss something. Yeah. I just want to make sure I didn't miss something. Yeah. Last time we know. Don. I don't know that. I've been here. Okay. Yeah. You've been at some of the meetings. Physically, but. There might have been, I'm just trying to think. Okay. I'm going to go to the next slide. You're going to have to do a little bit of a downward. It came in. The meetings were online. We're remote. And. And then when they started back in January. So I don't know. Okay. Good to see everybody. Good to hear you. The delay. Okay. So. So there. Marks are. Circulating. Right here. Yeah. Should we move on to the next item? Well, the next time. I would, but. Any other business that you want to talk about. Was the town office closed today? Yeah. Okay. It was open. So we would have to add Juneteenth to. Okay. Okay. It was open. So we would have to add Juneteenth to our official list of town. Holidays and the personnel policy. Yeah. In order to add the holiday. Someone told me it wasn't not a state holiday. It is not. Right. Yeah. What's the floating holiday that the town has now? Is that veterans day or something? Yeah, November. Yeah. Yeah. It might be the same day. The state has that same thing. What they float it because they want. Because they want to hunt. Yeah. I've been listening to the history of Juneteenth. Really? Yeah. It is very interesting. Very interesting. Yeah. So you remember the name of the general that went to Galveston, Texas. If you say his name, I'll remember it. Granger. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It was after the emancipation proclamation. Two. Two and a half. Yeah. January. It was the emancipation proclamation. It was not when Granger went to Galveston. Right. 67. 65. Seven. I believe. No, no. 65. Because it's been. 157 years. Because the Civil War ended. 155. Yeah. 157 years. Did he write that order to. He did not. He did not. We're listening to the GDR interview. I was. Well, I was telling Hay today. That must have been an old one. Because they were both saying it's not a federal holiday. Oh, right. No, it is. Yeah. So it must have been old. Yeah. But she said that it was a holiday and all but three states, which surprised me. Really? Or maybe she said it was recognized. 26 states, right? All but three states. Misrecognized. It's not. It's. 26. That's like a test. I'm not. I'm not making a holiday. Okay. That's almost like an intentional sound effect. Like that's really inflammatory. They don't want to negotiate. Probably, you know, the union contract. Yeah. I mean, those union people would be just. I was a union member. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, a while, but. But they probably don't want them to. You were union and hard work. No. We had two unions in my book. Yeah. No. Oh yeah. Of course you were management. But it was, he's confessing he was part of a union at one point. Yeah. What union was it? Don't, don't you ask what. Oh, okay. That's not. I can ask what union you were. You can ask what union I was in. I was in the grocery checker. Yeah. And I still get the newsletter 45 years later. My mom does. I moved it. We go into executive session to discuss the personnel matter. Second. Yeah. Second. Yeah. Hold your favor. Please say hi. Hi. The eyes have it. So we're ready to rock and roll. Yeah. Okay. Coming out of executive session. We are meeting. No action taken. At 848. At 848. All right. Well, there's never any action taken in executive session, but now we're going to take some action. Okay. And we're going to try to approve the 2022 2023. Wait. I moved to approve the FY 2023 wages and salaries as proposed. I second that. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. The eyes appear to have it. They do have it. Anything else we have to do? Administrative report. Do you have anything you want to say? Well, we already discussed Juneteenth. Yeah. And then for permanent applications, we've had four. Yeah. We've had three for the year. And then I have the meeting schedule, which we know July 11th. Yeah. Our will not be in attendance at that one. But then August 1st, August 22nd, September 12th. Yeah. But then the fire department meeting will be on August 11th as well. Oh, right. And I will not be at that meeting. Yes. Okay. And Juneteenth will not be at that one. Yeah. That is it. That's it. May I move to adjourn? May I? Oh, no. You should say I moved to adjourn. I'll second that. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. The motion to adjourn is always in order.