 think it's time to move into our last time and this one we're gonna have to bring up quick some information for this so as we were getting topics ready for this Nintendo updated their online website actually second wise topic something last topic oh yeah no we'll talk about that that topic at the end so Nintendo updated their online their their their switch online website talking about their online services we learned a few things number one the most important thing that people well obviously features the most important but but people want to know what the things gonna cost right we now have pricing okay it's going to be 399 for one month 799 for three 1999 for a year mm-hmm so that's right in line with the pricing we were talking about way back when when they had that that thing come out of Japan where people speculated if that was gonna be the real pricing or not right 20 bucks for a year that's cheap yeah isn't that roughly what the other two cost oh 60 bucks oh right yeah what are you talking about they're like it's been a long time since I've purchased it's at xbox live yeah yeah oh yeah yeah I mean their monthly price is almost cheaper than that so yeah 20 bucks for a year yeah what are we talking about for a couple bucks a month baby yeah for an average there obviously you know it's more expensive if you only get the three months of the one month that that's just a typical well they want they want you to grab they want you to grab the year so cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap which for some people will change expectations of what they're gonna get out of the sideline system for me personally I don't think it should change expectations at all I know that $20 price point or that this cheap price point should be because Nintendo needs to prove themselves right they can't come out and charge 15 bucks a month and have a crappy stuff so it's kind of one of the things like I don't expect less I think this is I think Nintendo needs to actually improve they know what they're doing yeah and at that price point it gives me confidence to at least invest in the first year to see if they know what they're doing so here's what here's what you kind of get with it for starters the online has been the paid online has been delayed to 2018 so for the entirety of this year whenever they decide to launch it all the stuff's gonna be free in 2017 basically the only thing that's gonna be really free is the online the app and the online I don't think they're gonna release the games and all that stuff before then but you do need to pay to get your online gameplay they did say that so sounds like it won't be optional for third-party or in dog games you have to pay to play it to play online which again that's that's basically that's that's the hook that's how Xbox live and PlayStation get you most the games you need to have a subscription to even play the game online for good voice chat right you can't play online matches without it yeah that's yeah and for that cheap I mean that's not that bad it sucks cuz Nintendo hasn't had it it feels like why would I pay to have what I got for free on Wii U but again understand it doesn't make any money everyone else does it at least they're cheaper I guess yeah definitely but obviously you're not just getting online gameplay I just like all of the subscription services there's more things there'll be the they call it specifically the online lobby and voice chat app gets we get your phone apparently you have to subscribe to even use it okay again this is the whole voice chats behind it to yeah basically anything online behind it the classic game selection this is what they talked about before where they were gonna offer like a game a month or so and they might offer like some multiplayer with it and then it might change it in the mother world they didn't release a lot of detail there's kind of hinted at concepts for it yeah so that that's the classic game selection that you have to pay to have that it could very interesting the classic game selection turned into the virtual console yeah if this includes a virtual console so subscription that price oh oh right oh baby I doubt it I'm good oh baby that we never know you never know the thing it does not need a lot of details here right and here's one that's interesting Nintendo e-shop deals so as I assume this means they're sales they've had them in the past on Wii U and 3ds sales and everything on they do they do mention that like this doesn't affect Wii U and 3ds at all so like if there's e-shop deals on Wii U and 3ds you don't have to pay for any of that like none none of this this is just for Nintendo switch yeah and I'm assuming all future Nintendo devices we're not like future 3ds devices like actual new hardware devices yes so yeah e-shop deals sales fire sales discounts blah blah blah and and the thing they know there are if you don't pay you do not get e-shop deals which means to me sorry if you don't pay you're not getting sales and e-shop oh you might get sales but you might not get the same sales as yeah maybe I don't know yeah you might get more sales as if you're a member or you get different better games that are on sale or maybe you get a five percent more discount or you just get no sales or you just get no sales I mean that is it I mean I mean again assumptions we I don't know people like money so like say like shovel that's a dude we want to win want to temporarily not for a game on the two box but we want to do it for everyone we don't want to just do it for your you know what you call thing we're not an online game we don't care about your online service is Nintendo really gonna say no right they might just say well you can just don't call the sale just reduce the price of your game and then raise it which looks really shady yeah for them so anyways we don't know again assumption we don't know enough to know what this means just some so there's gonna be some sort of deals exclusive maybe all deals are exclusive maybe not we don't know so based on this little bit of information did they do enough I think for their first endeavor yeah for online stuff definitely I think it's I would like to see again what the what the virtual console comes out ends up being but that's a guess I don't know whether it's included in this or not one thing for Xbox and Sony their subscription for their classic games is separate okay so it's like ten dollars in addition to your Xbox live right now I don't even know if you need Xbox live to even exit I think if you just pay the ten dollars you can just well and what the difference Xbox one of the PlayStation's all streaming you stream the games from like a server Xbox let you download the games truly cool and Xbox also gives you discounts like if you want to cancel your subscription but keep a game they give you a discount to keep the game right off the regular price which is kind of cool yes because if you're just subscribing and you just keep playing one game it might not be worth it to like keep your subscription going just play one game right definitely so I think they I didn't think I got the pricing right I think everything else I'm on hold I because like I don't view some of the things I don't really view as features like holding hostage online multiplayer gameplay behind the wall I've never viewed that as good when Xbox did that way back when the Xbox launch I hated it when PlayStation half done board I hated it and I'm gonna hate it now that Nintendo half done board because it's just it's an excuse to give us something that's always been free no it's not and they'll be like yeah but you'll also get all the social stuff yeah but if you don't care about any other stuff all you want to do is play your Mario Kart 8 online players between online player arms online player call of duty online all you want to do is play an online game I gotta pay money when I could go on my PC and play any online game I want without paying extra money that can already play Mario Kart 8 online yeah yeah you can actually already can yeah and we you yeah so it's kind of like I've never liked the idea of holding hostage I understand why they do it I I just don't agree with it I think if their online service was enticing enough on its own it shouldn't need that shouldn't need that specific thing held behind it you can hold the voice chat back if you want fine not just because I think the voice chat sucks just in general you want to hold that back because it costs you money to run run the voice servers and this and that fine fine whatever you can still offer the ability to play on the just get a better online experience if you service but yeah anyways this is a thing I have this isn't just Nintendo I have this issue in general yes people already have to pay for access to the internet in the first place for most people have to I know some people get a free but most people have to pay for access to internet in the first place and they got to pay for the equipment that lets them access it now I got to pay extra access to access the internet to access my game yes that uses the internet yes when on PC you just buy the game and you play right so yes score one for PC yeah well it's not true of all games like World Warcraft subscription fees that they exist but it's far and few between a lot of games to do that on PC so I don't like that I don't think that's a benefit that makes it worth it well for 20 bucks to be fair I don't even think the voice chat should really be behind it I don't think any of that is a premium thing that people should have to pay for there's so many ways to do for free elsewhere so I don't view that so I eliminate that from the equation I think for 20 bucks a year is a classic game at least one a month or more plus discounts essentially worth it discount wise I got to see what they are they're throwing off in like 5% off now and then it's not a big deal they offer like fire sales for limited time only you can get breath of the wild for 20 bucks okay right that's awesome that is yeah but you know I don't know what it is but to me the classic game I think is worth it just for the 20 bucks you think of all what virtual console games cost you know say you get 12 games and they decided to let you keep those 12 games after you play them not even for a discount just for free they I know before they were talking about that new possibly buying for a discount after that month well they let you just keep them and if you want to you have to purchase them to say to keep them multiplayer aspect they might add to it or whatever but they they hinted at before fine but if people don't care about that they just want to have the game if they just let you keep this the base game for free or I shouldn't say for free as long as you're subscribed then the $20 becomes worth it because now I'm not just trying 12 games I get to keep playing those 12 games and the library of that will just keep growing if it's like a game I'm so 20 bucks I get 12 games even classics that's a really sweet deal yeah that alone to me would be worth it then you throw on some sales on top great the rest of it I again I don't think people should have to pay for in the first place but they basically the game thing enough the pricing plus the game the free game stuff is enough for me to at least buy in your one right I will buy the 1999 oh yeah January 1st or whenever they touch it and then we'll see they have a then they'll have a year for me to prove that the game thing is better than it looks like and that it's worth paying for now obviously at the end of the day if I want to play online games I'm gonna get it anyways and that's the whole point of putting that behind the paywall yes because they're gonna force me to have to buy it anyways and I know that yeah but I still view that as a value proposition no that view that as holding something hostage and begrudgingly I'm gonna give you money to access it yes and thankfully that begrudgingly is a hell of a lot cheaper than everyone else yes if anything I'm hoping that this pricing range makes Xbox and Microsoft be like okay we can't charge 60 or we have to cut that down yeah right we have to cut that in half they're not going to no probably not but oh they got their fanboys they can charge 60 still oh god don't talk about fanboys so yeah I'm cool I'm okay with it for now again to me it's it's their first foray into it so the pricing the price to what you get this is good yeah like it's good for now just mainly because of the games and probably the discounts too but again it's one of those we need to see it again E3 that's the time to talk about this because it's supposed to be at least the app is supposed to be launching sometime this summer supposedly so I'm assuming alongside slow tune since maybe even before that maybe they'll launch it with arms and just arms just isn't a voice chat for some reason yeah but maybe you can organize lobbies and like play with your friends yeah