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Made me very self-conscious in my form. Strong. He's strong, dude. He was doing deads with three plates and all kinds of stuff. And it's doing good. He's getting a little pump over there. I don't know. I feel like you might have been, you know, going hard and he might have been trying to keep up with you because I don't know. I went in the bathroom a bit later and was hearing some noises. What? What? Yeah. What happened? A little bit of retching going on. I don't know. What happened, Andrew? Did you throw up? Were you trying to keep up with Sal? What happened there? I was pushing it a little on the sled drives. Ah. Wait, you actually threw up? Yeah. No way, dude. Oh, man. And take it back. Oh, man. Take it all back, dude. That's hilarious. Brutal. Did you go too hard or what? Like, what happened? No, I was just pushing the sled drive. I felt fine. I just wanted to go all-backs for my sets. Okay. And it was too much. Do you not work out hard like that normally? I'm telling you, Sal has an effect. I just don't push it that hard on the sled drives. Okay. And I guess having you there, Sal, made me push the extra level. You're lying, dude. It got me. That's not your full of shit. Is it something about the wife beer that gets you all motivated or what? No, it was just the environment. I felt like going after it. I get kind of crazy when I... It got me. I wasn't even doing a hard workout. That's stupid. I was going like, downplace everything. I just had to do my best. I only had 700 pounds on the bar. Is that a big deal? That's crazy. You know, sometimes I'll start to feel nauseous if I work out hard and I had too much caffeine. That'll definitely do that to me sometimes where I feel kind of like, oh, a little bit too much. So be careful with that. But nonetheless, look at the workout. You did a good... I like seeing that. You know what I mean? I like seeing when our team comes in and works out. I encourage everybody to work out in here. It's nice to see everybody doing that. I feel this year has been the most consistent with the staff. If I would look around and see everybody training and stuff like that, I think that this is the most consistent I've seen the gym being used for. Yeah, dude. Have you seen... So, Chokey's a beast. I've seen her workout. She's strong. We have the intern, Olivia. She's strong as hell. She was telling me kind of what she... By the way, just want to let you guys know, the intern said I was her favorite host. Yeah, dude. You guys know that. I'm going to have to check her on that. I'm going to ask her individually. I think me and Adam should do this and just ask her, okay, who's your favorite host? Well, if I ask her specifically, who's your favorite host, we'll see. We'll see if she says me or she says Adam. I don't know. Well, you know what? Speaking of morning workouts and all that stuff. Interesting study came out, right? There was a study that came out that... Actually, there's several studies, but this one kind of put them all together, where they were looking at protein timing throughout the day to see if it's effect on muscle function and growth. And like what time of the day that you consume your total amount or just one... Right, so let's say your total amount for the day is 100 grams. What if you eat 50 in the morning and then the rest later on? Or what if it's a little bit in the morning and then more later on? So basically, essentially, same amount of protein, but more in the morning versus more at night or vice versa. What's the difference? Dude, the studies talk about what point you work out and does that matter at all? No, it didn't talk about workouts. In fact, there was one study they did on older women. Generally, 65 years, that was the average age, and they controlled for protein, but some of the women ate more of their protein in the morning and some of the women ate more at night. The women who ate more of the protein in the morning had better muscle function and muscle health. Now, this cooperates with other studies that have shown on rats where if they... And rat studies are kind of cool. Part of it's not cool, right? Because sometimes they don't translate. But the other part that's cool is that they can control everything because the rat does... You're the one that feeds it. And what they show is that the rats who eat the protein early in the morning have more muscle than the rats that eat more protein in the evening. So morning feedings... Now, this is a small effect, but still it's there. So it is kind of interesting, right? Now, I feel like all that gets thrown out the window depending on what time you work out because I would think that would have the biggest difference on how the protein is utilized. So if somebody who trains early in the morning then eats protein versus somebody who trains in the afternoon or evening and then eats their protein after it, wouldn't it be more logical that that would have a bigger indicator on the benefits of it? The studies that I've seen on that really just show that having some protein post-workout. But other than that, otherwise it doesn't make a big difference. I feel like you should share this with Magic Spoon. I think that'd be like a great commercial pitch for them. Actually, it's a great point, right? Protein in the morning. Yeah, because it's cereal. You typically eat cereal in the morning and it's super high protein cereal, no sugar. Do you see that they've made their way now in the bodybuilding space? Remember when we first partnered up with them? Oh, have they? Yeah, yeah. Now, actually, I see a ton of influencers that are in the bodybuilding. It was just a matter of time. I thought that was the area they should have went first. I think they really tried to go more health and wellness. I mean, we got introduced through Max Max, who's the health guy about Magic Spoon when I thought, man, this is a bodybuilding type of product more than anything else, so they're making a hard push that direction. Yeah, but I do think it's interesting to eat more of that in the morning. Now, here's some other stuff, is that when you look at studies on hormone responses, people with anxiety, for example, they also recommend high protein breakfast, low carb breakfast. So higher protein in the morning, later on in the day, then you can lower protein. You tend to feel better throughout the day. Do you guys feel that way? Have you guys messed up on that? Well, yeah, we've talked about this about when we were kids, the idea of pancakes and syrup before you had to go take a test and then you're nodding off. I did carb loading all wrong. I'm just going to eat all the carbs and then that's going to fuel my activities the rest of the day. Yeah, dude, I did that. Except I just bonked. I mean, I feel, I don't know. So I'm torn, right? I think, generally speaking, I feel better, low carb, higher protein early in the morning. But if I know I'm going to be training around noon or one, I actually like to have at least one, if not two meals that have a good amount of 30, 50 grams of carbs heading into. So I'd like to have 100 grams to 150 grams of carbs in my system before I hit my afternoon workout. And I feel like I perform better. As far as overall health, you know, clarity, that type of stuff, I feel better on low carb. I'm so much sharper if I'm just sticking with protein in the morning and coffee specifically versus like carbs. And that's just personally, like I just feel like if I'm more in that, you know, ketosis sort of state, then you know, I'm a lot sharper. Yeah, we guys know I work out early. So I'd work out fasted, but then afterwards I'll typically eat some protein. You know, I tried to piece this together with like evolution. Why would this, why would we build more muscle with protein in the morning? Why would we, because other studies show eating calories earlier in the day tends to be better than eating calories later in the day in terms of health. And the best I can come up with is like when we hunted and we would eat a lot of protein, we probably weren't killing animals after the sun went down. I think it's probably we're hiding because we're really bad in the evening. That's your theory that you get, you really think we were out hunting at four o'clock in the morning? Not four o'clock, but in the morning when the sun is up. Like we're terrible in the evening. We're blind and predators see us very easily at night. I bet you- Yeah, I don't think we're hunting at 10 p.m. at night back then. No, I think it would be like sun up. That's when we're hunting and then we catch the animal eventually. Sun is still up. We bring it back and then we eat it. And then the sun goes down. It's like get in the cave and let's hide because now the tiger's in whatever out. That's what I would think, right? I can get behind that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't see- Always bringing it back to evolution. I was just sharing your evolutionary theory on the whole why men can't find shit in the refrigerator. Oh, yeah. I think that one's fascinating. I made that one up. I know you made that one. I actually think it- So because I don't know a single man that cannot relate to this, right? So I just had Jerry. You were terrible at finding shit. I just ran out of the serum, right? My face serum. And I was like, damn it. I know we had some in the back, right? And I went back yesterday and I looked on the shelves. But I did the typical man look, you know? I just looked at it and go like, ah, it's not there, you know? And she goes, oh, it's there. It's on the second shelf. I was like, no, I looked right there. And she comes over. I'm with her. She moves up one finger. She moves like one box over. Oh my gosh. There's three of them right there. And I'm like, oh my God. It's like, yeah. How many times have you done that with your wife in the refrigerator? Honey, we're out of mustard. No, it's in there. No, we're out of mustard. I've been looking for 10 minutes. And then she walks down and like moves one product and then there it is. I think it's so pissed off. Yeah. But Sal Steary, you've heard him tell. Yeah, we're hunters. You're looking at the horizon. You don't want to disturb anything. So you're just looking and there's no movement. So you're like, there's nothing. And then the gatherers, right? Yeah, women are really, yeah. They're moving shit. They're like, we gotta find the roots. So we do detect movement. I feel like more effectively. We're supposed to. I don't know. If you open your fridge and a fucking rabbit ran across, you would definitely see it. That's a man. But other than that, you're not finding anything that's inside there. Okay. We've got to be better at something. Yeah, I know. It's like, our skills are gone because we don't have to hunt shit anymore. It's like, we can't really show any of our skills. So instead we're like, where's the mustard? I can't find the damn mustard. So more cool of evolutionary studies. So they did this, this test where they got women based off of pictures of faces to predict whether or not the men in the pictures were more likely to engage in casual sex versus less likely to engage in casual sex. And then they did the same thing with men. Could they predict by a woman's face if she was more likely or less likely? What a good app. Wow. How good would that app be? That'd be a full one. Imagine if I could predict that. There's a certain look, dude, your guy. What? What's the look, dude? There's certain eyes. Show me the... They have those eyes. That's the casual sex eyes. You're strong. Well, I hate to... Well, I saw those eyes. That's what she looked like right before she said that to me. No, I think guys always think that women are down. I think just naturally that's our problem. I think she likes the offish eye. She says she doesn't, but I think she likes me. She totally wants to bang. How do you know? Because she told me to move out of the way and I could just tell by the way she... There's like a receptiveness. So the men could not predict with any accuracy, okay? But the women could predict with something like 80% accuracy. Well, that's because 80% of the guys would. No. That's what... What's the old... Is it Chris Rock who does the thing? Like a guy... If a guy is doing any gesture or anything like that, he's also offering dick. So if he opens the door for you, it's like, hey, here's the door. And do we like my dick? Or is this? Would you like my dick? Have you ever seen that? That's a stand-up clip. I think it's Chris Rock who does that one. Andrew had to look that up. Who's a comedian who goes on that ramp? Every time a man's being... What is offering dick? Oh, could I get that for you? How about some dick? No, no, no. So it was more or less likely. And the women were able to predict by facial features. And then the facial features included things like big eyes, big nose, long face, like facial features that are associated with a higher forehead, I think was dealing, associated with higher levels of testosterone. So testosterone is what influences that behavior. More testosterone, especially in utero, is correlated to more likelihood to engage in things like casual sex. So because of the face of the man, and it displays the testosterone, subconsciously they're like, they can predict. But I think what you said was hilarious. If there's an app... I know. You scan it. You imagine that? I hope I'm not going to approach her. Put a picture of your man in this app. It'll tell you the percentage. Dude, that would be... You know what I think? I think I could probably predict, based on just the face alone, whether or not you'd be susceptible to joining a cult. Well, what? Okay. There's something about the cult leaders do have a cult face. Yeah, well, the cult... But also the followers. They just have this like... It's like a real deer in headlights kind of like, hey! And then this is like softness and like, you know, rosy cheeks and pretty accurate. Just like... The same people that are in MLMs? Yeah, exactly. What's the correlation between... I feel like I'd be pretty accurate with that. They do all look kind of the same. I think you're right on that. Hey, I have a question for you guys. Have you guys been following... I know we sold last year. We sold off our Peloton stock. Have you guys been following Peloton since then? Actually, I'll look at them right now. Remember, they had the major... It was a one or two deaths that happened, right? So that happened from falling off the treadmill or whatever, and then the stock took a dive. I think they were at 180 or something like that. No, no. So their peak back in December was 160, but right now they're... Oh, that hit 180. I don't see it. Not the last year, at least. But today they're at 123. So they're kind of hovering around that. You know what stock... Did you hear the news though that they just came out with? What? So they're going to move into the video game market. What? Yes. Like what? You got to ride the bike to keep the game on? Maybe. So have you guys ever ridden those before? I know the Bay Club has one where you have... There's three bikes. My sister-in-law has one. And we're virtually racing. Have you seen those? It's actually a lot... They're actually... For non-cardio guys, I have a lot of fun when I do those. I think it's a blast. You get a buddy or yours, and then you guys race through courses and you're doing it virtually, but you're actually doing it manually in person. So you know what the problem with that is? At the same time, they do that with video games to try and make it more fun. People, they use it at first and they stop using it because it's hard. Well, that's not necessarily true. Dance Dance Revolution is an example of that. I mean, that's like one of the most like crazy popular games that's... Have you seen how people play Dance Dance Revolution? Yeah, do you remember I went down and met... You know what they do, bro? They lean on the bar and they do this with their feet. They do it in the easiest way possible. It's still impressive as shit. The guy, the guy who I met... Remember when I met the guy Organified? Same with guitar here. He lost over a hundred pounds doing it. And he's like one of the Dance Revolution champions. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Maybe I'll get Drew to send a clip over of him because I had a clip and like I think my old phone when I went down there and I watched him and he's like, he did it in front of me. It was just... And you're right, he cheats. But he's still sweating his ass off. I mean, it's not like it's not exercise. It's definitely... Well, I don't know. Like I think there's something there that for people that aren't like prone to go into a gym. I just think there's such a big population of people that would never do physical activity. And I think that might be an introduction to something where like, oh, well, at least I'm on a video game. I'm trying to like compete. How about this? I mean, how about the fact that after, you know, mom rides it at 5 a.m. for a half hour hour, it sits there all day long. But now, you know, little Timmy can come in and play video games on it. I mean, now it's multi-purpose. Yeah, but if he wants to play video games, is he going to pick the Peloton or is he going to pick his... I don't know if it's necessarily going to be, like I don't know. All they said is they are moving into the video game market. I think it would be pretty naive of them to only make bike riding games out of it. I mean, you could just use the monitor for a gaming. So maybe some of the games include the pedals and stuff like that. Maybe others come with a controller that you play. Well, that would be brilliant. Well, I mean, it wouldn't be that much more difficult to make it connect to it. Can you take the monitor off the bike? I don't know. I know you can swivel it around because Peloton's moved into like weight training also. So they have now parts where you can weight train and then you can turn it around with your little weight set and follow your coach trainer. Well, that's interesting. I mean, if it is successful, you might see that really kind of blasting all over the industry. I mean, in terms of video games, marketing is massive. I know. I'm trying to cast it up here. It's not casting, but it's called Lane Break. And what it does, it prompts users to change their cadence and resistance to meet various goals and to control an on-screen rolling wheel. Okay. So it's interactive video game with that. Okay. So that's where Peloton is starting. That's Peloton. Okay. And I wonder if Peloton already does this. Do you guys know if they organize big marathons or big races where people can sign up virtually and compete? I would imagine. I'm sure they would. I know that the way my friends use it, because I have quite a few friends that have four friends that have Peloton, and they all meet up all the time. So it's like they meet each other at 6 a.m. Now, that makes sense. When you're meeting up with friends, that makes a lot of sense. Oh, yeah. I think that's how it's Drava. Does it, like, real competitive where they actually, well, they're out, you know, in the GPS track, like their runs, and then somebody else comes in and tries to beat their time and all that. So I'm sure they could use that same kind of formula. Were you guys with 24-hour fitness when they did the triathlon competitions? Yeah. People swam and ran. I shared the story of that was that when I kind of figured out that I was naturally good at swimming, never being coached, never really doing it. That always cracks me up. Yeah, I do. You could have been so, like, you probably could have been, like, college. Well, bro, at that time when I did this competition, I was, like, meat-headed out. I was 235, no cardio guy, like, just eating everything inside, just puffy face, and I get in a pool and I beat the Ironman guy and the Navy Seal dude. And everybody was like, damn, you're hella fast in the pool. And I'm like, I didn't know I was that. I mean, I knew I was Swim Trunks, not even Sealdas. My gauge of how fast I was was beating, like, my little sister in the pool. You know what I'm saying? Like, so when I was growing up swimming, I didn't go, I never got into racing. I never was in an Olympic pool in race. And then the other time was with you guys. Yeah. When I raced those guys at Bay 1 and I lost, and then I was, like, all discouraged because I was talking shit about. You were hella close. They were, like, D1 competitors. Yeah, they both were D1 guys at Arizona State that were swimmers. And I was like, okay, I felt a little bit better about losing to those two guys, right? So I did that. But I make you sad that you're... Yes, it makes me... Because you're such an athlete and you just sink in the water. You didn't do the one sport you could have been great at. I'm devastated over that. The fact that I have no training whatsoever in that and then I had the ability to get in there and just hang tells me that if I were to apply myself like everything else that I've gone after in my life, I would think I would improve. So, I mean, I can't imagine what I... And when you think about... I mean, my body is literally... I have this tiny little waist. I have narrow, thin legs. I've got a wide back. Yeah. I have a really long lean span. A long span, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you say duh, but I didn't learn all that stuff until I was 20-something years old in the personal training. Is that because swimming just wasn't the cool sport? No, it's like where I grew up in rural towns. So you didn't really have pools. Yeah, it was like soccer was the option. That was about one of the few sports. I couldn't even play basketball until I moved to a little bit bigger town where basketball, they had enough kids that could play basketball. So, they definitely didn't have a pool at my junior higher elementary school that I grew up in. Wow. Yeah, so I didn't find out till way later. Wow, I'm terrible at swimming. I swim like a rock. Dude, that's what I liked. Hawaii was because, I don't know if it's just because it's so salty in the ocean. Like, I was like floating. Yeah. And I never float. High body fat. Yeah, I was just going to say, it could be that at the fuck. Or it could be 30% body fat. I mean... Half thousand cases, that would be pools. So, it's got to be the salt. You know, the salt. Salt lifting me up, dude. The asshole. I'm just saying that. It's like a buoy. Yeah, yeah. Oh, this is way better. The water is salty, man. It's super salty water. Yeah. Yeah, fuck off. Speaking of salt and water, have you guys, do you guys know anybody that's ever been to like the Dead Sea? That's the one that's like full of, like super, super salty. So, I had an aunt that went out. Can't say I do. You know anybody who's been to the Dead Sea. Okay. So, it's super salt. I don't know how much more salt. Is there a reason why there's more salt there than there is somewhere else in the ocean? I don't know what the reason is, but I know there's so much that there's no like life in it. Like, it's so salty that it's Dead Sea, right? Right. So, I had an aunt. This is a true story. If you go out there and you'll flow on top of the water and it's just 280 parts per thousand. So, that means nothing to me. That means nothing to me. Eight times saltier than average sea water. Okay. So, eight times more salt than I guess the ocean. Okay. Well, you don't want to get in your pee hole. So, I had it. Oh my God. Yay. Is this from last night? Yeah. You know. That's the first thought that comes to mind. So, my aunt went there with my uncle and she floated and couldn't get her feet back down. She was stuck. She was literally stuck floating. That much? That's how much. He had to go out there and walk very carefully because if this feet went up he would have got stuck too and then he kind of pulled her down. I guess that makes sense because the only time that I felt something to compare that to was when we do the salt baths. Oh, you're talking about the... Yeah, no, no. The float tanks. Oh, float tanks. Yeah. How much salt was in a float tank? A lot. Let's compare. So, that was 280 parts. Let's see what the float tank is. Because you do. You were like on the top. Yeah. And you couldn't sink... I mean, you have to like force your legs down or arms down to touch the bottom. That's true. I remember that. Well, yeah. Did I tell you guys that when I over six said I didn't tell us how many parts though. Yeah, we need you to convert there. Well, after you guys derailed my... I was actually going to go into basically why like, Viori... Oh, this was your commercial tent right here? Has a rash guard. Can we hear it? So, the fact that I was a... I didn't know and found that Viori has rash guards. And so, I bought one specifically for Hawaii because of my white skin and everything else. And it was awesome. It was like... Viori has rash guards? Yeah, they have rash guards for men and women too. I didn't know that. They've got one too. So, yeah. So, that was cool. I mean, they look cool. Are they stylish or what? Cool, tight and... Pull them up, Doug. Can I see them? I want to see them. Sorry. We're making you go I like to wear rash guards when we wakeboard and stuff like that. Not that I've done that any time recently, but... It's like a compression shirt, right? Yeah. You like to work out and then walk around at all times. But that's the thing is I don't want to keep spraying myself with chemicals and everything too. And I know, like, zinc and all that. Of course, like, you know, covering myself with like pasty white, you know, substances. So, you're the... Helpful, but like dorky. I'm not trying to like, you know, be the zinc kid out there, like, you know, like... I waited till like, I was like doing excursions, like I was on the boat and like doing things instead of like, I'll take my shirt off when I'm like at the beach and like, you know, being the normal person, but... No, that's like a big trend. Like, there's people that just wear shirts now, like going... I used to wear rash guards all the time. Don't you remember I was teasing them? To work out. Or walk around. Or like, do jujitsu or something. Yes, that. They're great to grapple on. That works, but... They're great to grappling. So I wonder if viewer would be an option for that. Short sleeve, though. It's not long sleeve that I got. Yeah, rash guards are great for grappling because they obviously cover your skin. They allow you to move. So, you know, t-shirts can be loose and stuff like that. I actually had Jerry send Doug a review that was sent over to me for... Oh, is that the rash guard right there? It doesn't look like a rash guard. I know. It's just like a tight shirt, basically. It's like an under armor kind of... Is it fitted as tight as a rash guard? Because rash guards are normally like... Yeah, it's fitted. Okay. It's... I'm making fun of me. You're the one that got me into working out compression pants. Yeah, and I like it. I do too. And I told you guys the studies show that it improves performance. It improves performance, too. It improves performance. No, I wear shorts over it, dude. Huh? Yeah, no. For sure. I have to throw it out there, though. Yeah, no, for sure. No, that's... I'm sorry. I'm not going to wear compression pants and no shorts. You don't need to see that. No moose knuckle. Viori sent... I had a guy who I was talking about. I think I shared the latest outfit of Viori that I was wearing. It's actually these new pants that I'm wearing right now that I really like. Let me see. These are the ones that they got sent before we went. Stand up. Show the camera. Turn around, dude. Let me see this real quick. Oh, wait, these are nice. Look at that. Watch out. You don't need to be weird about it. Just do normal stand. You've got to be weird. You've got to be weird. He does his physique. I know. Hey, he actually... He almost got his physique. He did. That's that one pose where it's the side. Yeah, no, I like these. I forget the name because maybe duck looked that up also. I have like six windows open right now. You've got a lot of stuff to do over here, duck. Well, we're trying to fix your search history because it was been pretty bad for the last month or two. Thank you. I appreciate it. This is a little better. No, but read the... I got a cool review that I was sharing those pants and then a guy messaged me and was talking about how great Viori is and he's been buying their stuff for a while. And they're very much so like the Nordstroms direct-to-consumer athleisure wear. I love that. Customer service is ridiculous. Yeah, this guy's name is Lance. He said, I just wanted to let you know about the customer service experience I had from Viori recently. I had the seam of a pair of core shorts that was about a year old start to become unraveled. It was right at the pocket seam. I emailed their customer service about it. They responded the next day, asked for some picks. He sends the picks in. They responded that they would send a new pair and about a week later he had a new pair. A year old shorts. That's rad. And they sent him new ones. Isn't that rad? Legit. Yeah, that's insane. You only get away with that if your quality is excellent. Is that good? Yeah. Yeah, because you know that really happens. You can't do that if you're target. You know what I mean? They would lose so much money. I would like to see you try. So you don't know the names of those. I like those. They look like the joggers but they're different for sure. I want to say pronto joggers maybe. I'm not sure. Let me look here. Yeah, go down a little bit further. I know they're down a little ways. So when they gave it to us, so they're our deal now. I don't know if you guys know this. So when we get the outfits from them, it's like every quarter because I think that's when they change the new stuff comes in. So when they sent this over to us before we went and did the opening. No, it's not ripstop. I think it's pronto joggers. Keep going down. Keep going. I really like them though. So the Sunday joggers have been like my go-to since we started. It's mine. I know Justin likes ripstop. I like the Sunday joggers. Are they the meta joggers? Yes, meta. Thank you. Sorry, not pronto. It was the meta joggers. Where'd you get pronto from? It's Ponto, by the way. Huh? Yeah. They have Ponto. Oh, Ponto. Not pronto. Yeah. I like your name though. Yeah. Come on, you know me. More names. The fact that I was that close, I think it's pretty good. Everything's epic. Yeah. The meta pants are the pants that I'm wearing right now that I really like. So they've now become my favorite of the Sunday joggers. They're like a lighter. They have kind of a stretch material to them real lightweight, breathable. I saw them in Kauai. When I was, it was like a little shopping center that I went to to find because my son needed a pair, another pair of bathing suit. So I went to the shopping center and these are like small Kauai shops. And I saw a Viori at several of them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're exploding. Yeah, yeah. That's such a success story of a business, especially during COVID. They did very, very well. So it's just a testament to their quality and customer service. So I have something to go about since this. Me? Yeah. Well, it's more your your wheelhouse, I think of topic. But I saw just, I read an article this morning that California is now going to be the first state to implement the universal income. I think it's 500 to $1,000, I want to say, per family. And I don't know. Now, this is based on income, though, right? Of course. Of course. Yeah. If you make under a certain amount per household, you will now start receiving. And I also think if it matters, if you have kids or not. So I don't know the exact specs of like, but it's universal basic income, right? Is that what the UBI? Yeah. Is that what's called? UBI is the, and it's Andrew Yang is one of the guys who's been, who's been championing it for a while now. I know that he was trying to run on his presidential campaign, was trying to run on this, right? What is your thoughts on this? By the way, too, they've done, they've done the best run of this in Oakland for the last two years. And in Oakland, I want to say they did, and Doug can maybe fat-check me. I think they did like 300 and some people had to obviously qualify for this. And supposedly, they had a lot of success. Now, their measures. How do they measure it? Okay. So the way they measured it was like people, how much money they saved or where they spent the money. And so what they got back, because the theory was like, oh, well, these people just go blow it on alcohol or just spend it on worthless things, right? But the people that, you know, responded, that received it, the things that they did with it were, oh, I was able to get my son, you know, his cleats for his football. And so the response that they got from this was very, very positive. Now, is that a true measure of, because the people that are skeptical of it are saying that that's not enough to prove that it was successful? No, that's, the challenge with small samples like that is that you can monitor them and they know they're a part of a test and you're watching them, you know, 300 people, right? Yeah. When you start to really expand it, then you start to run into problems. Here's the issue with UBI. The issue is if it's in replace of the bureaucracy that we have, that's used to administer our current, you know, welfare. It's not, though. It's an additional to. It's just more, throwing more money at a problem that money's not fixing. What they should do is eliminate the bureaucracy. Because for every dollar, here's the thing that a lot of people don't realize. For every dollar that we pay in taxes that goes to helping people with housing or, you know, money for food or education or whatever, for every dollar we put in, the person only receives something like, you know, half of it or less because a huge percentage of it goes to the administrative cost and bureaucracy. There are so many state, local and federal employees and bureaucracy that is tied up with all that garbage. So it would make sense to cut that, which now saves a ton of money and they give people the money straight up as a check. Because, yeah, some people will probably spend it poorly, but some may spend it. Now, do you know if, because I didn't follow the presidential race that much and I don't know, I've only listened to Andrew Yang talk a few times about this. I haven't heard in great detail. Now, is the idea that they roll it out, they prove that it's valuable and it works well and then start to take away from welfare or do you think the ultimate goal is to keep them both running? Do you think that's what it is? No, think of it politically, okay? You have, first off, you have a governor who's getting ready to get recalled. This is the last fear tactic. Yeah, so he's giving shit away, like, left and right. Can you give people free stuff and then take it away later? Good luck doing that and staying in office. I don't think so. Now, because then the argument becomes these people are dependent on it. How are you going to take this away? It's just more, California is bleeding residents for the first time in history. We've got a lot of problems happening in the state with homelessness, with costs of housing, with just lots of issues, right? So, you know, you want to attract more people. You give them free money. You want to keep yourself from getting recalled to give them free money. So, I want to go back to the fact that they said that Oakland was successful, so that they said that it was, what do you think, what do you think is going to go wrong with it then? Or what do you think is going to be the repercussions of it? Now it's $35 million that these people are going to be able to pull from, right? So, that California was approved for $35 million, and it's a monthly, basically, stipend that these people get. My thought, the first comes to mind to me, is that all it will really do is just raise everything up a little bit. Like, you know, milk will be 10 cents more expensive. I think it will have a nominal effect on inflation because it's not just printed money. So, it's money that was existed in the first place. The trillions printed already did that. Yeah, that's what will cause the big inflation. I'm not worried about the inflationary effect of it. I think that will be minimal. All it's going to do is you're just now increasing the burden of government. You're spending more. We're going to require more taxes as a result, and you haven't cut any costs. And how are you going to possibly reverse that in the future? It's funny. We did this whole war on poverty. I don't know how many decades ago. Poverty was going down tremendously before that. After we started that war on poverty, it's flattened out. Are you talking about the New Deal? No, not the New Deal, but stuff afterwards. And what did it end up causing? It did cause generational effects where people were kind of dependent on that. And the bureaucracy never goes away. You know what one of the big problems with these big government bureaucracies is? If they don't spend the money that they're allocated, so let's say that you create this bureaucracy to administer childcare. So we're like, oh, we need people need childcare. We're going to take taxes. And we're going to give people childcare. And now we've got all these people working in the state that are going to administer it and control who gets it and whatever. Here's what happens if they get, let's say they get $20 million. Here's your $20 million to administer and to work with childcare. And then they come back at the end of the year, they say, we only needed $10 million. They're going to cut their budget. But if they come out and spend, we spent every dollar of $20 million. We need more. They get more. So it's in the best interest of the bureaucracy that it runs it to spend every damn cent and to always need more money and never save money. And so that's just what happens. It just blows the hell off. Well, my buddy and I got into it about this because he's 100% for it. I'm not against it. I'm skeptical about it. And what I was skeptical about was, I think we can all agree that there's definitely a percentage, whether that's 1%, 50% or 90% of the people, that it will motivate them to do nothing. There's definitely the mom who's working two jobs, has three kids busting her ass, barely getting by, and this is going to be just enough to make sure her son gets cleats for football and is going to be maybe saver and rightfully so, and I do love to hear that and see that happen. But there's also going to be somebody who's like living at home with mom still, and maybe I'll work, maybe I won't work. She takes care of me anyways. I can collect this because I'm 30-something years old and still live at home and I'm going to collect this money and it's not going to go out and get a job. My question is, is it going to be a greater percentage of people that are going to be helped from it or will it be a greater percentage of people that will manipulate it? I think no matter what, when you're giving free money or free services to people, you're going to have both elements of that, no matter what. Right. The challenge is, A, do we do it? I think at some point, there's a level that we should probably do something. But B, how do we make it as efficient as possible? How do we make sure that every dollar we put into it goes to that person and not to this bullshit... Cut out all the administrators. 100%. That's the issue. So I... The truth is that's not possible, though. Well, it's possible to cut a lot of it. I mean, if you send the checks directly. Yeah, and that's... Now, here's the thing. You talk to people who are super supportive of all these government welfare programs and you tell them, fine, let's cut those programs and just give them a check. They're against it. No, I don't want to do that. Why? Because they are tied to the bureaucracy. And then they'll come up and say, well, these people don't know how to spend their money. We'll spend it better for them. It's all about control. I think give them the check, but cut the cost. If anything, we'll spend less taxes. They'll get more money, have more freedom with that money. You'll get more free market effects from it. How do you decide who gets it, though? Then how do you still manage... Negative income tax. I think Milton Friedman put together a negative income tax plan that I think was as good as you're probably going to get. Nothing's going to be perfect. So essentially, it's a scale of how much you get depending on your income. And then that's your money. And then you can spend it... It's like a school choice. It's just like this. Instead of telling the parent you have to send your kid to this shitty school that you live in their district, you say to them, here's your voucher for public school. You can pick any public school and take your kid to wherever you want. That would create great pressure on underperforming schools and good schools would just expand, right? Now, what's the opposing argument to why that's a bad idea and why are we having it? School choice? Oh, the opposing argument is always... Ten-tenured. Yeah, oh, but we know what's better. Parents don't know what's good for their kids. The good schools will get too packed and the bad schools will... Well, of course, my argument is, well, then the good schools will expand and the shitty ones will disappear. And they'll have to do a better job. But it's all about control. They want the control and that's what you got to look closely. The government giving you the money more often than not isn't about helping you. It's about controlling you and controlling your vote because why wouldn't they just cut the bureaucracy and give you a damn check? Next time you talk to somebody that's in support of this, why don't you tell them that? Tell them that. Oh, yeah, I'll do it. Why don't we just cut everything instead of having welfare and housing support? Well, the problem with that is that the people that would... Because I'm assuming if I were to ask my buddy that, he would say, okay, I agree, we should do that, but it probably won't get done that way. I would love it if he would say that, but you would be surprised. I don't think I'd be that surprised. I think I know him well enough to know that he would agree with that. I don't think he's pro the bureaucracy. I don't think he's pro growing government. He's pro helping people and if this is the best way to do it and if it's a net win, he's willing to take it. So in other words, if it's 51% of the people, it changes or saves their life and 49% of the people take advantage of it stay home and are lazy, he still looks at it as a net win. Yeah, I would hope so, but look, here's the deal. I bet you if a conservative politician presented it the way I'm showing, hey, we're going to save you money in taxes and we're going to give money to people and cut all this bureaucracy because it'll make government smaller. I bet you would get support from conservative voters and I bet you would get opposition from liberal politicians because the liberal politicians are really supporting the bureaucracy and then what they'll come out to say, they'll say, but we're going to lay off all these government employees that just want to help people. What are we going to do with these 30,000 people that we're going to cut their job, whatever. That's the position they're going to come at it from. But no, I would support it if it cut things, but I wouldn't support it just throwing it on top of everything else. I think it just becomes more of an issue. Do you guys know who Laina Bloom is? No. She is the first transgender cover model for Sports Illustrated. Oh, I saw that. I did hear about that. Did you see that? Yeah. Now what it's so... Very interesting move on Sports Illustrated. I am so curious to what happens. I mean, of course there's people in uproar and their consumers going to tell them if they like it or not. I mean, what's the demographic? It's got to be like our generation, like primarily men, but also like a younger generation of men. I mean, how many women are buying this magazine? And again, I have no stats to back this up. Maybe Doug can look up how many people or what percentage of Sports Illustrated subscribers are men versus women. I would speculate that 80% are young boys. At least, right? Teenage to 25, and then maybe like you said, Justin, our generation of men that were around when it first was created. So, I find it really, really interesting to take a move like this. Now, have you seen the pictures of this person? Just to cover. Okay, so if you didn't know that they were transgender, would you know? Oh, she's close. I wouldn't be able to... I wouldn't know. I mean, not from the picture, not from the main picture. So, I mean, without... If you didn't tell me, right? Yeah. Because I know... That's a very feminine look for sure. Yeah, so I think that them saying it out is them trying to make a statement. I don't think... I don't think if they said anything, obviously anyone would be able to tell. But the consumer will let them know if it's good or bad. You know, for them, right? I mean, do you have a theory or an idea once you think it's going to happen? I think they're going to sell a shit ton of them. Not because people... Just because of the controversy of it. Here we go, here we go. Yes, it's just such a formula that all these big companies have been... Yeah, so the average age is 37 for Sports Illustrated. I knew it. And 77% male. Yeah. I knew it was older. Yeah, but I feel like that's even worse in their favor. Maybe. Average age, 37. And 77% men. Controversy sells. That's why they would... I mean, think about it. Well, so that's why I find this interesting because I think that because... I mean, we're talking about it now. How often do we bring up Sports Illustrated? Never. Never. So now all of a sudden, we're bringing awareness to it. So right away, we are going to maybe bring awareness to tens of thousands of people that weren't even going to pay attention to it are now going to pay attention to it. They're just trying to get relevant again. Yes. 100%. Sports Illustrated. That's what I was saying earlier. Everybody's been sleeping on that. Sports Illustrated, I guarantee you their sales are shit compared to what they were when we were in the 90s. Even print. All print. All print's been pretty much irrelevant since we went digital. Any swimsuit, anything. Pornography's so easily accessible. Nobody gives a shit about it. So your theory is there's a couple smart executives that are sitting in a boardroom and they're like, hey, we are drowning. We've been drowning for the last three or five years. Let's drum up some controversy. What is something that'll be controversial that get people talking about our magazine again? I got an idea. Didn't they recently? 100%. Let's piss off 77% of our subscribers. I don't think they're going to piss them off or not. I think they're just looking for news and controversy to sell more. Didn't they do a cover, not that long ago, like the first plus size model too? Yeah, I wonder. No, it wasn't sports. It was Shape Magazine that did that. We talked about that. It was Shape Magazine put out the plus size model as the cover. I thought Sports Illustrated did too. Well, I don't know if maybe they did something I'm unaware of, but I know the big one that made the news that we even addressed and talked about was it was a yellow, either Cosmo, it was Cosmo or Shape that had the plus size model on the, and it said that this is health. I remember that. I don't know if Sports Illustrated. I found it. In 2016, they did a plus size model. Oh, okay. But, Dan, you look good though. Hey. Right? That's plus size? I guess. That's not bad. Yeah, I think they're just trying not to be, they're trying to be relevant. Okay, so I'll give you guys an example. Remember the, okay, Maxim, remember Maxim, how popular that was when we were younger? It's like all but gone. It doesn't sell shit anymore. Yeah, they moved, I know they moved digital like that. I don't know what, so I don't know what these companies have done. I can't imagine that they've stayed this entire time and relied on their digital print as their main source of income. I mean, their print as their main source. I would think that they've gone digital and made some subscription options. Because I mean, where can you get it? It's like an airport. That's like the only place left for like these magazines to live and nobody's buying them. I can't imagine that anybody's interested in any of those like magazines. All the publications that we're selling sex, when we were younger, are gone. Well, because it was like taboo a little bit, you know, back then. Now it's just like, we're just inundated with... I mean, they're not though. Maxim still exists. We're still in straight. Playboy still exists. They're so weak compared to what they were. Well, I mean, that's your opinion based off of what you think you see. No, I know for a fact. Look at Playboy. Playboy's tanks, they tank. They used to be an empire. They were like, Yeah, but what are we looking at? So what I'm curious about and what I'm trying to debate with you about this is like, I don't know is the behind the scenes decision of it. I mean, how many business moves do we make that people have no clue about, about Mind Pump? And it, let's say all of a sudden, digital programming falls off the cliff and everybody says, Oh my God, I bet Mind Pump is taking and they're not making any money anymore. I would just, I would chuckle and say, well, that's just one part of how we monetize. Oh, sure. I'm sure they have a good start. So how do you, I mean, something that's that massive of a sports industry, I would hope has some executives have smarter, smarter than we are that has gone, Okay, this, this whole print thing is heading in this direction. Let's pivot into this and... Yeah, they tied into like actual swimsuit sales and all that or is it, this is just like the... Playboy magazine closing down for good. I mean, they're, they're, they're done. You know what the biggest indicator was when Doug showed the average age, 37 year old male is the average age of sports illustrated, you know, reader. Yeah. That's, you're dying. If your business is that, you're dying. Right. As a, as a subscriber to the magazine, but where I'm trying to go is like, what makes you think that they don't have, you know, MP investments or they don't have something else that's, that they're monetizing and that they, you make that much money as Playboy or as sports illustrated. I would hope you didn't put all your eggs in one basket and think like, magazines are going to be the thing forever and not start to branch out into other... I don't know. What is sports illustrated on besides... I don't know. That's my point is that I'm not going to just discount it as a business and say like it's going, it's done. It's over. Well, I know that the magazine part and the digital... Right. I don't know. I have not going to argue that. Even their digital swimsuit stuff is probably tanked compared to what your old publication used to get or whatever. Are you googling away over there, Doug? Trying to find out what's going on with them? You're making me work hard. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't know that the conversation... Oh, they're... Earnings of... Licensing deals. Doubled through licensing deals. Boom. Well, no. Sure, but the magazine and their swimsuit stuff... I'm not arguing that. You shit on sports illustrated as a company and I'm just... No, I meant specifically... I know what you meant but that's what I'm saying. So what? So what? It's a pivot. So what? There's something we are doing today that is probably making us very good money that will not be making us good money in 10 years from now. If we're good executives, it won't... We won't skip a beat. Right. So my point, what I'm trying to say is what they did with the swimsuit... What they're doing with the swimsuit edition is like the last screams of death. Or just absolutely brilliant. They've got other parts of their business that's growing and scaling and it's just about bringing attention to them by causing controversy. So many tons of people are asking the same damn question that I'm asking right now is that, wow, how is this company? Magazines are dying. They do something controversial that you've got to think 80% of their readers are not going to like. And how is that going to benefit them? Oh, well they have licensing deals and they have other things that they monetize and now that 70% of the people that weren't even thinking about them are now talking about them. So they know it's dying and they're just using it to... Get attention to the business. Right. I wouldn't argue with that. Right. Right. I mean just think of like, for example, 90% of the revenue that we were making was through digital programs online. Five years from now that completely becomes obsolete but we had already pivoted five years ago to coaching trainers on how to be better trainers and that's become the number one revenue stream. We decided to do something controversial to tank the fucking program sales because we don't care. It's already tanking. Just to draw attention. Maps CrossFit. Right. Hey, no great example though. I already wrote it. We do something that is so out of left field that people would never think that we would do. Maps cardio. To get people talking trash about the business and who we are and what we're doing and all that really does is bring more eyes and attention on potentially the other things that we're doing. So I would not be surprised if Sports Illustrated has done that. I would not be surprised if Cosmos done that. I would not be surprised if Playboys done that. If you have good executives that are running the company I would imagine they've done this. Yeah. Hey, real quick, I hope you're enjoying the podcast. Check out Serenity Kids Baby Food. This is food for you kids that's healthy made with things like grass-fed beef, bone broth, vegetables. It's healthy baby food that your kids will love. It'll make your kids healthier, smarter and grow up stronger. So head over to MySerenityKids.com Use the code MP20 for 20% off your purchase. All right, enjoy the rest of this podcast. First question is from Jay Hothie. Is there a different way to train for wide lats versus thick lats? With versus thick lats. I think a better way to word that question would be train for a wide back or a thick back. Yeah, you're right. I would agree. Then say thick lats or a wide lats. Yeah, because the lats that's not going to change. No, the lats grow and they shrink, right? So if they grow they're going to get thicker and wider. Right. But when you're looking at back width you're typically talking about the lats. So if you were to look at like an anatomy chart of the back the lats kind of come up and attach up in the top of the arms and they come all the way down and attach along the spine. There's these really big kind of wing muscles that are they kind of they give you the width look to your back. Right, because when you think like rhomboids or rectospin A would be more of a thickness. That's what's going to give you a thick back. Yeah, rhomboids, mid-tropesius, rectospin A that's what's going to give you that kind of thick looking back. Three-dimensional. So I like this question though because I remember the bro way of explaining this like I had buddies that would train like this where they would do all their lat exercises narrow grip because in theory we're trying to make their lats thicker that day or they would go all wide grip because they're trying to go with. And the way this is worded is probably somebody who's been either told this or is thinking this and I think that's just the wrong way to look at it. It's like developing your lats 100% is going to make you wider looking because the lats run on the side of you like that. The muscles that I think will give you more of a thicker back look would be attacking things like your rhomboids, your traps, your erector spinae. Those are the muscles that I think are going to give you more depth. Yeah. So typically anything that's like a pull up a pull down you're going to you're going to hit the lats much more directly. Things like rows still work the lats but you're going to get more of those mid back muscles dead lifts right lots of those mid back muscles lots of the erector spinae and it's funny through the years I now am able to really tell with decent accuracy if someone does a lot of rows and dead lifts versus if someone does lots of pull ups and you can see it in their back you really can. I remember years ago there was this guy that would come into the gym and he was just a pull up machine he would just and he had he's really wide back with these kind of hanging lats but he did lack some of that thickness. Yeah. He did lack some of that upper back fitness then there was these power lifters that I really wanted to do with my back so really for full development you want to kind of do all of it you want to do all of it well that was the biggest thing that I saw into just this point about the erector spinae was man when I when you guys pushed me to lift heavy dead lifts I had never done that in my life I had dead lifted but not heavy like not singles doubles triples lifted or even under five reps before and before that picture before and after is so telling and all the only difference is literally I actually threw out like all of their back exercise all I did was dead lift and so to see the difference now you got to remember that I got 15 years plus of before that of doing all kinds of lat pull down and pull ups and all the traditional type of lat and back exercises the only thing I wasn't doing was really focusing on dead lifting and what that could do for my back it's also why I'm so defensive and shit on dead lifting as a back exercise because nothing gave my back a fuller thicker better look than that I mean and that was one of my early critiques from judging was when the first judge saw me was like oh you could improve your back thickness and I went after dead lifting and it totally changed the look of my back it's funny when you see like strength athletes like power lifters make the transition to bodybuilding you often will see the issue of back width they oftentimes have to then focus on really getting the lats developed but they don't lack thickness they've got really really thick back oh my buddy Ben Pollock is a great example of that I mean he is just thick but you can see that he's having to work on the width to bring that kind of bodybuilding that flair lat look or whatever so you got to do them both but as far as the lats are concerned you develop them or you don't and when you develop them they'll get wider and thicker but you want that all down the spine where it dips in because everything's real thick deadlift and row that's what's gonna do that heavy lifting where you're just in that ice semester contraction of stabilizing your spine and now since we're on the topic if you want that that yoke where it's like the traps and upper back like do your your high poles your cleans your farmer walks carries oh yeah you ever run into like an athlete that does just lots of cleans and high poles and they're not really focused on aesthetics they're just trying to focus on getting really good at cleans and high poles and what do they always have super thick like upper kind of traps I noticed that from training with Justin we trained I was training with him because we were building the app while I was also competing and I would get workouts in with him and I would do cleans the presses so and I remember I went a good saw I would say a good saw six months to a year of no more traditional shoulder presses any time I shoulder press I cleaned the press and got up to a point where I was trying to catch up to Justin what he was doing weight wise and I remember were you able to get close to him or what? I got close I don't think I was doing the same weight as he could do because Justin's a machine with that but what I did notice was again because I'm getting judged and I see pictures and I'm critiquing my physique like crazy during this time in my life was the upper back development from that was incredible and shoulders too it blew my shoulders up blew my traps up just a great area of the body that if you develop it really well and balanced it gives you this overall appearance of strength I think some of that has to do too with it those exercises promote you pulling your shoulders back and better posture so at least I feel that way like if you get that upper back that's thick like that not only are you standing upright with good posture then your t-shirt kind of hangs off so you can see that this person's all developed up there and the fast twitch movement you know getting that kind of stimulus is so to be able to kind of get that from some of these like power lifting what a great point when does anybody do an explosive exercise for your shoulders or for your upper back like you just rarely ever see that as an explosive type of movement that you train I think that's part of I think it's good to point that out actually Justin because I think that's half of why I saw such great benefit from doing that was I never did that so of course it's yeah that exercise is great for that but if you do it all time obviously you can think about the exercise you never do is probably the most beneficial and the other thing too is from a functional standpoint you can't always judge a book by its cover obviously but I know the people that I would when I would grapple the people that I could look at and tell like that's a strong person had a well-developed back and hips like everything else didn't matter if I had a well-developed back and hips you know they're strong do you know that they're strong you tend to see that in athletes next question is what is for low bar squats good low bar squats now I guess the question I would have here is is the question because the low bar squats the bar so low on your back so shoulder mobility so shoulder mobility is what I'm looking for or we're talking about squats and so are they asking that because the squat depth they're lacking and so that totally changes my direction let's look at the difference between a low bar and a high bar squat high bar squat you're going to be more upright you're probably going to have less ankle mobility right because your knees are going to travel forward a little bit more low bar squat you're going to get more forward bend less ankle mobility but probably more hip I would imagine stability and strength and then of course thoracic right in that upper back area is what I would what you typically would see with somebody that you'd have to work on I think the biggest issue is what you guys said was the shoulder mobility that shoulder and thoracic kind of mobility to be able to support hold it with good chest out type of posture because a lot of people aren't able to do that so good exercise for that I like the wall test that we have in zone one yeah zone one in prime I love and I think I shared this on my story a couple of months ago and I've just really been incorporating in the last year our suspension trainer W's yep I love that as to prime for exactly that because literally think about where you're trying to the actual movement under the bar for a low bar squat this is what it looks like right and then we're wedging it down below like literally that is the W you are waking up all those muscles face pulls as well yeah face pulls W's on the suspension trainer those I mean I used to do zone one so zone one was like my go to go to zone one work on that intrinsically the reason I think I like W it's easier to get somebody to do a W then get them to queue the zone one it's harder for us to explain on a podcast like exactly what zone one is and how to do it to get the benefits where if you go YouTube or Google search what a suspension trainer W is you could do it and emulate it and I think you'll get tremendous benefit yeah prone cobra can kind of work work on that area well and then hip mobility right so what kind of things are good for hip mobility you know 90 90s always a great movement for that tube walking that stability that you might need for a low bar squat generally speaking I'd say people tend to run into mobility issues more with a high bar squat though in my experience oh yeah you know and you see more issues with ankle mobility than you will ankle and just the high bar squats take me a long time to get to where I could actually do one really really good you have to have really good depth in order to be able to sit upright and keep that low bar squat for a long time to get to hit depth because I I had to let my body fold over a little bit because I didn't have the ankle mobility and shoulder mobility you know Olympic lifters are probably your best example of high bar oh yeah that's where you're going to see the best nice and upright with that I think too if you want to cover all the bases you know with wrists elbows and shoulders you do our handcuffs for rotation and that's a really good position and really articulates each one of those joints because those are all you know essential and getting into that position lower on your back like you have to get everything in a nice you know functional position for that next question is from Daniel Delgado 6 I've been training for a while under the influence of marijuana basically every workout I've done for the past my marijuana usage people always want to know if I'm high working out I did not I did not like it working out I hate it okay if I'm doing like when I was competing if I was doing like an hour of how do you ramp it up yeah well I mean it relaxes you yeah so it's great for mobility I want to be tight intense yeah exactly so if I was doing mobility or cardio where I want my mind to go to another place and just kind of like get into what I'm doing right if you're doing mobility or you're doing cardio work but training is I don't know I want to be fully alert and tight and rigid well studies show that it reduces explosive performance but it may help with stamina endurance and pain tolerance so that may be where the person you know might get a better workout from it now I'm going to be careful when I say you don't want to be dependent on anything to do your workouts and the reason why I'm careful is because most of us are dependent on caffeine which is caffeine to do our workouts these days rarely ever work out without having caffeine so I would sound like a hypocrite to say you know you probably shouldn't work out under the influence of anything now here's a deal with cannabis and your body it probably has negative effects on your hormones probably because the human studies are mixed but the animal studies are pretty consistent they show that it does reduce testosterone production in animals in fact if you go to your doctor and you're an adult male and you have gynecomastia which is development of breast tissue and you're not taking anabolic steroids and you don't have other types of issues one of the first things I'll ask you is do you use a lot of cannabis and they'll have you reduce it because it's been shown to cause that and man so doing that and then working out is there a potential negative effect you know again the challenge is controlling all the factors is the fact that he or she is using cannabis making him more consistent in other words if he didn't use the cannabis to work out he'd be less consistent well we gotta weigh that in too but let's say everything is equal so using it or not he would still work out consistently I would say it's probably a net negative because of its effects on inflammation and hormones it's probably reducing kind of the muscle building you know signal that being said though I mean if it's if it's not I think they're big concern is is it killing my gains like when someone asks a question like this or when I get DMs because I get a lot like people are just like concerned that is this killing my gains am I going to the gym but because I'm going high I'm getting 50% of the benefits that I would get I don't see I haven't heard a lot of people actually working out like high versus like people I use it as like a recovery afterwards especially with a lot of athletes where their output is so extreme that you know it actually like helps them sort of to get down more into you know a steadier heart rate I know a lot of people that use cannabis before they work out oh so do I it's actually up there with one of the top DMs yeah yeah no it's one of the top DMs and I think that a lot of that has to do one obviously I talk about it openly on the show so everybody just assumes I'm a super stoner and ask me all marijuana questions and then I also just think that it's been accepted I mean just 10 years ago I mean I forget what the statistics were on how many people on the 60 in the 70s that a lot of body builders use marijuana before I know but I mean as far as like the general population as far as the acceptance of marijuana where I mean now in California you can go walk into it like a liquor store and go buy so people do everything high now yeah honestly well a lot of things are better high a lot of things are but I prefer like movies and stuff over my just day no I will I will say like if you're gonna do stretching if you're gonna do mobility, cardio yeah I could see that I have done it and lifted weights just to test it out me too it definitely doesn't work for strength and power and performance for me but if I'm like just trying to get a pump and I'm just squeezing and focusing and concentrating on muscles and isolating then I could maybe see I could see that I could see a day where I'm like beat up I know I shouldn't go heavy and maybe that's one of the ways to keep me from going heavy is like I'm gonna go and stoned and so I'm gonna just cruise around take long rest periods light weight get nice pumps you know what I'm saying like yeah I could see that there's this huge that will smoke weed or eat it and then do jiu-jitsu like a huge community well so I could see that because that sport you are supposed to be kind of loose right loose and you don't want to be rigid and stiff and tight and especially when you're thinking ahead too right in terms of your moves and everything and so like it seems like it's there was a tournament I don't remember where the tournament was and I think it was like getting in the zone I don't know if it was a 10th planet jiu-jitsu tournament 10th planet Eddie Bravo obviously big you know pot advocate or whatever and they actually before they did the match they smoked a joint all together in front of everybody and then they did jiu-jitsu so it was like this big and there's this whole other side that's like so anti well I mean you I could see that though right because it's so like conducive to like flow state right and that I mean it could promote that right so if you're that's where I think marijuana has some benefits like if you're doing something or getting into flow is super beneficial I could see the I know a lot of snowboarders I mean I that's some of the things I like to do like before I ride I totally like which is counter to what you're saying right because obviously if I'm doing a hard cut or a jump or something you're just trying to cruise probably yeah I'm just trying to cruise and I want to be so into what I'm doing and so I just being high when I'm doing that makes it I can feel a difference at the end of the day I think you got to be careful right you can abuse anything I've known my sheriff stoners that have you ever worked out have you ever worked out hi you're gonna be that guy don't be that guy next question is from pstc teacons what tips would you give to an aspiring entrepreneur who wants to open their own gym starting small of course all right don't do it yeah you cut me off I always feel like I crush people's dreams don't do it bad idea if you're like okay here's a deal if you're an entrepreneur and that's what you are then the excitement for you has more to do with creating successful businesses meeting the challenge selling them if you're into your passion you might be labeled as more of like an artist or someone who's passionate about something that's a little bit different usually people are a mix of the two if you want to build businesses that are successful it's hard to pick a business that's harder than gym business that's just a fact it's a brutal business yeah the gym business is a very difficult business to really it costs it's a lot of capital there's a lot of risk involved there's not a lot of money too not a lot of money there's tons of competition you are working your I mean I managed some of the most successful gyms in these big chains and I'm telling you man I was I worked you know minimum 12 hours a day minimum just to do just to do well and this was with the huge marketing machine behind me lots of capital then I owned my own and it was it's hard man it's like opening a restaurant like look at the success rates of restaurants it's like opening gyms so it's going to be real tough what are my tips going to be for you make sure you have a lot of money to float yourself for a while because you're going to be in the red I think for a little while focus on your local community a lot of people forget this when they open gyms they think digitally and they think they're going to do this huge like internet marketing type of thing if your business is your members I think what is it a 10 mile radius that's where you get a majority of your members last time I looked at the statistic so old school marketing is actually quite effective still for small gyms you work with local businesses you go to houses around you you're trying to get 10 miles around your gym the digital marketing more is like for almost like your business card but I would I would spend much more time on the ground walking around meeting people I was thinking about too and it's like what's your definitive difference out there in the market you know in terms of like all the rest of the gyms and what are you offering specifically I just think as an example something I've seen lately which you guys have seen sort of the trend of women really wanting to grow their glutes right so there's been a few of these like smaller type gyms they're just literally hyper focused on this gym provides you this service like we're just going to grow your glutes and they're exploding right and that's the thing though it's it's not like what you think like I'm just going to service everybody wants to come work out like like I think in terms of what's out there now and the big gyms are already established and they've had this whole formula of like I'll take your money because I know you're not going to show up you know like I think that's you let them have that if you're just starting out I think you got to be really creative and really pinpoint that very specific thing that people are actually like going to drive to your place to go get well I so I know I came out hard on it right away I always say terrible idea and that's me personally like I would never do it and the only way I would do it personally was if I'm at a place in my life where I'm not financially driven anymore and because I like the idea of having a gym like I like the idea of having a you want to be the guy that retires yeah I'm filthy rich I don't give a shit if it's profitable I 100% will own a gym one day I'll buy all the equipment outright I'll own the building that it's built in I'll have a gym and a bar it'll be closed at the hours that I want to work out so me and my buddies can come in and lift and I don't give a shit that kills sales for me like that's how I want to have a gym and so I think you really have to understand what your desired outcome is going into the gym so if you are somebody who you desire freedom and autonomy and the cool factor of walking in at any time to lift in your gym and that trumps paying your bills and making really good money and thriving financially then so be it like who am I to judge and say that's a bad idea then because you could definitely make a living doing that but I think the last time I looked up the stats on what the average gym owner made it's under $50,000 a year you better love it yeah because you're trainers and they're making more money than you that's going to happen and so 50 grand a year depending on where you live in the country is not is not an easy living because Bay Area you're struggling and you're working a lot and the average entrepreneur works 62 hours a week so that's average entrepreneur if you're a gym owner I think it's even higher than that because you're going to probably be there if it's open you're probably there at the very beginning so I think you need to consider that I think you also need to consider the different types of models and what you're trying to do running a large box gym I mean even when working for companies like 24 hour fitness those were not their most profitable so going big that's a lot of risk and there's not a lot of money in that the most profitable gyms right now are the little boutiques that are about 3,000 square feet to Justin's point that are more specialized so it's an EFT base so you get only need about 100 something they're high service high dollar high service yeah because you're looking at that's what I was going to say because kind of your two options are low service low dollar so you're cheap like Planet Fitness low service but it's very cheap but you need a lot of volume lots of investors need to be involved right or high service high dollar low volume right so I only have 100 people but they're all paying me 250 bucks a month or something like that the other thing I would suggest to this person also is you better have gone and killed it as a trainer or killed it within a gym first before you even want to think about doing this because becoming a great trainer and keeping your schedule filled with clients is already hard of shit for people that's hard to do with a huge company taking care of everything or all you have to do is contract the space out so you better have been the number one performer at a big company as a gym at a big box gym for a long time or you better be the top dog in a contracted place so if you were somebody who's renting space for $600 a month you best be the dude who's making a hundred or the girl who's making $150 to $250,000 a year just doing that alone before you think about trying to start a brick and mortar place while also trying to scale a training business because you're going to want that the only way I would consider it back then to even do something like that is okay I've got a good safety net of $150 to $200,000 a year that I've built off of being a great trainer now I'm going to try and build this gym and create a livelihood for 10 other trainers in my gym at least I have this to fall back on that I can at least cover my bills let's see how good I can manage a gym I've found a small facility and when I say small it was tiny I had you were under 3,000 square feet oh yeah I had a cage I had a cable machine I had some benches some dumbbells that was it it was just a small area I had some offices my gym was packed so I had trainers that were paying me rent I had massage therapists paying me rent I had acupuncturists paying me rent I had my schedule full rent and then they trained their clients and there were definitely times when I would think to myself like why am I owning and managing and taking all this risk when I could just pay rent at some studio and make more money now for me I chose to do that because I would rather be the owner I'd rather have that autonomy I loved it so I lived there all the time it didn't matter for me but I'm telling you right now if you're thinking financially good luck it's a really really tough business not only that but wouldn't you go back and tell the younger self you're like knowing what you know now a better strategy would be to go build a business like mine pump make a bunch of capital take that capital then go buy out your equipment buy out your facility and then still fulfill that dream so if your ultimate dream is I want to own a gym and that be kind of my livelihood I think there's faster ways of getting there than actually opening the gym I think go be right go do something else that drives more revenue that you're more likely to be successful which by the way if you can actually build a gym and make really good money you're probably pretty bad asset a lot of other things too because it takes quite the entrepreneur to be able to build a successful gym it's not some dumb meathead that builds a gym and actually makes six figures no if you open a tiny studio and you're starting from scratch it's going to cost you $100,000 at least just to buy the stuff set it up and float it if you're a high service high dollar low volume facility that means you're going to have to be in a wealthy area which means you're going to pay high rent so you also have to consider that as well now you open a small gym that's 20,000 square feet you're up in the hundreds of thousands dollars or million dollars just to get started so closer to a million I know because how many times I thought about doing it right now of course if I would have lasted just doing that forever at some point I would have got out of it I know we're all going to own a gym there's no doubt about it the question is when the timing when do we want to do that and I think we all know it's when we don't care if it's profitable or not that literally it could have five members and we're not going to be stressing out to keep the lights on buy out all the planet fitnesses I think it's really similar to owning a bar some of your bars that everybody thinks are probably cracking and successful I think there's a bar but a lot of the people that keep the bars that are going for a long time are people that don't need the money it's like it's their favorite local spot to go to and they've got other businesses that they make a lot of money now that being said if you took us and put us in a big box gym that wasn't doing very well I'm confident we could definitely increase their revenue and increase their profitability but it's a lot of damn work it's one of the most challenging things like I said I have an uncle it's very comparable like my uncle lives there all the time like he's always there that's what it's like running a successful gym you are just there all the time you have your morning crowd you have your evening crowd you're always putting out fires oh yeah totally look if you like mind pump you gotta go head over to 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