 an amount of minutes Increment that's not just instant instead of one hour time change on one day Just do it by like a minute or two every day. We can so much less simpler On time the time doesn't change every day Ryan we had to remind the country how to wash their hands Yeah, so You have a lot more faith in Americans than I do I love how Eric said there was an xkcd about that But there's an xkcd about everything Frankly, they're really come on there really is All right So time zones. We're we're done. What are you? What are you talking about this week? What for time zones? No for rockets. Oh, I got some cool stuff happening on Mars So what are you talking about this week with a little helicopter? What are you talking about this way? I Had in my head some contracts which on the surface doesn't sound so very fun. They're interesting. That sounds terrible. I know You're in for a good show guys decent guys That's my back. So I was right. I was talking contracts I was giving Jared a hard time just because I thought it would be funny But then you were like I'm gonna talk about contracts and so now I'm gonna start with Jared because okay. No I'm not I refuse. I patently refuse to start with contracts. We're not gonna start Get the boring crap Yeah, it's a helicopter on Mars, but who who cares So they were going to be talking about contract who cares about the helicopter. Tell us more about you know what can you go into? Recruiting detail on what I signed when I Agreed to the Mac OS 10. I was kidding. All right, so Ryan being the kind of person who reads the terms of service All right, Jared get us started with some Martian helicopters. Yeah, just wanted to talk about ingenuity On Mars went there with perseverance got dropped Back in April and is still flying it just completed its 23rd flight on Mars So only expected it to do five and now we're on 23. So, you know, just absolutely amazing that we're doing this Hang on both of you. I just realized space launch system rolled out. We didn't cover that in the live show yet We didn't talk about that at all. Yeah, cuz I figure that's kind of like all of us coming together at some point to talk about it But we're like knocking out our little individual ones So, you know, you weren't excited about I was said what were you excited about? I mean, you said I hang on. I just want to clarify. I said, what are you excited about you like Mars? Okay, that's legitimate. That's legitimate. And I said, what are you excited about and you said not SLS rolling out? No, he said and I quote contracts That's what excites him SLS rolling out to do shit, but paperwork All right paperwork makes the world go around apparently so ingenuity did a bunch of flights Which is really cool by the way the little like I wasn't you know, that's there. It is that's a JPL project Genuity. Yeah, and you know, it's great is that it wasn't even a project that was originally going to occur with perseverance It was basically added on in the middle of the mission This is where we've got some extra mass that we can take down What do you want to do with it? And I said, well, well, we go ahead and just try a little rotorcraft and see if that'll work so I feel like for whatever reason the picture on the screen right now is reminiscent of the flight hardware do not touch And then we had Vice president Pence touching the hardware right next to do not this for some reason. That's what that screams to me I think that's a model. I think you can touch it. Yeah, there's no yet. Yeah clearly There's no but that that's just what it reads to me, right? Yeah, definitely has that vibe to it like Sir don't do it. Don't touch the flight hardware. I scream over here. Come here So yeah, it's just really great to see That's great, that's great. Oh, that's amazing If you're around, I think we just lost the chat. Yeah, I do want to say though that earlier this year or actually During one of the attempts that they were gonna do for a flight earlier this year They actually did have to delay it because of weather on Mars So they had the first flight delay earlier. That's weather on Mars. Yeah due to Atmos winds and dust aloft So that was pretty pretty entertaining to hear that that happened But it also shows that that the software and other things is pretty good with it there And yeah, it's it's now like this proof of concept. That's actually becoming advantageous They're using it to help figure out interesting places to send perseverance and looking at the topography and things like that That's kind of cool. Just the idea that they're using it as a a drone effectively. Yeah I mean, it really is a drone that really is yeah, that's what it is in a sense And you know, it's not very big. It's maybe the side. I mean you saw President Biden standing next to a model of it there not very big only weighs about two kilograms But now they're thinking about making some that are anywhere from 20 to 30 kilograms and using them on upcoming missions What were they why do they need the extra the mass? What what is that getting them for more mass? You know, yeah, like so, okay, so they're making them. They're invigorating them. Why what they must instrumentation? Yes, we want to carry better instruments more payload weight on there. So that means you need to add more motors with Bigger blades other things like that So in order to do that, you need to have it a little bit which it's basically a CubeSat with legs and rotors, right? Yeah, I mean, that's a great way to describe it. So it's a it's a Land-based CubeSat that flies in the Martian atmosphere. So I'm trying to contact Because I'm trying to get our chat room working again. Yeah, it was just really really cool And I've loved all the videos too that we see of of ingenuity flying around Because perseverance can kind of take video some fast photos with its camera and string those in the videos And it's just so cool seeing it like We had enough to all Had enough like that, you know to all the different places. So it's just like Again, it's JPL being JPL, you know, it's only supposed to work for five of them Here we are on already done with flight 23 moving on I can't bring it up on the screen because chat isn't broken aided But Philip just gave us two pounds. I believe it is and said dragonfly is gonna be freaking awesome I'm looking forward to that one too. Yeah, that's gonna be great Yeah, in case you don't know what dragonfly is it's a mission that is going to be going to Saturn's moon Titan And it's basically this this car-sized RTG nuclear battery powered drone that's going to be used in the atmosphere It's gonna be awesome. That's all the right words Yeah, and it's got it's gonna have skids and the instruments are built into the skids NASA's like How can we build an even better drone? What if we What if we make a nuclear powered drone yeah, and then put it on Mars would how would that work? You would work really well. Yeah some engineers some engineers in their back room being like what is the most crazy thing? That I think are they gonna go and show on a nuclear starship as well April first show Yeah, good stuff. How I hit one other coin like there's not a lot of Atmosphere in Mars. It's not very dense at all. No, how in the world is that helicopter fly? That's why the blades are so big. Yeah, the blades are massive back to the picture working Yeah in work the blades are absolutely Massive, I mean they are huge Compared to like it's like for something that you would need to have at that size Also, they are that a real mock-up. Is that the actual size of the blades? Yeah, that's how big it actually is that skillset the blades rotate at almost 3000 rpm So which is you know if you're here on earth you're probably having your blades rotated 200 to 250 rpm something like that so the tips of the blades are Somewhere if I remember correctly they're around mostly like like 0.8 somewhere around there near near transonic, so which requires a interesting blade design For that. So yeah, it's it's ridiculous everything that they had to do to get this to actually be able to fly in Mars's Atmosphere doesn't the speed of sound change with? Well effectively temperature Temperature, yeah The density of air yeah in density 0.8, but is that actually is that Mach 0.8 at a earth sea level? Yes So the Martian atmosphere is going really slow Yeah, actually, I don't know what it would be No, I'm gonna hunt for that now. Thanks. All right, so we want to talk about space launch system Or do we want to talk about contracts paperwork paperwork? The control room has spoken and they want paperwork so tell me you forgot to turn in your papers Ryan Tell me about the terms of service Not it's not an incredible It's not an incredible amount of Stuff really, but there's an announcement that came out today that SpaceX and Northrop Grumman have both Snatched themselves six more commercial resupply missions to the ISS Switch brings SpaceX up to CRS 35. I believe And it also leaves Northrop Grumman in the situation where they can't build their rocket, but they have six more missions to fly which is Good They mentioned a plan for that right so the the issue is what is it go over the issue and why they can't fly They use Russian engines and the main stage is built in Ukraine And if you have been watching the news over the past month and one day You will know that not very much good stuff is happening in those regions at the moment Which makes it very difficult to manufacture rocket technology and then ship it to the United States Which leaves Northrop Grumman's Antares rocket with a second stage in a payload fairing and that's about it I think they've got two rd 181s left here in the United States I've got enough stuff for two more flights Oh, two more flights and that's gonna be more flights that will wrap up their current contract And then I've got six more flights on top of that. So that's what six six engines they've got Well an rd 181 is one engine in two Nozzles right Question nozzles. Yeah, so yeah, it's one engine per okay So okay, so they've got enough for their current, but what is their plan like if they got a contract for this? What's their plan? Are they gonna just interestingly enough? I'm not sure the Atlas also use the also uses Russian engines They use the rd 180 But United launch lines They're like cool and they they bought and brought in like all of the engines that they need so it's a non-issue for the Atlas 5 would I mean would they fly Cygnus on a Different vehicle weren't they supposed to be developing an engine to replace already 180? arney Well for rd 180 Well, who's for Vulcan Centaur? Yes. Yes, that's from blue origin B4 That doesn't it's not really dropping replacement for an arty 180 That's ever so slight. I can think of just a handful of slight differences just a few Oh, I mean here's two of them So, you know just like oh, yeah the Antares uses the two bells rd 181 And then the Atlas 5 uses two singular bells rd 180s because that's not confusing at all. No, not at all but you know in our In our chat room Ryan a couple people are asking about if you could fly Cygnus on a Falcon 9 Is that a thing you can do? If you have the right payload adapter Then you can spend if SpaceX wants to do that and if Northrop grammar wants to do that there is precedent of Cygnus flying on the Atlas The Atlas however has a certain number of flights remaining because vehicles retiring in favor of Vulcan so they could put I presume they could put Cygnus on a Vulcan because they already have that relationship with you a it just depends when Vulcan gets flying theoretically Falcon could take Cygnus, but I would probably see it more going to Vulcan first Speaking of things going to Falcon you see the one-web announcement. Mm-hmm. I can't really talk about that. So I just like a Lot that into the room and you like did you see that because that was public. Hey, that was a nice grenade. Yeah, you like that Ryan jump on it So one web now they can't fly on Soyuz because that's been banned From French Guyana and then one web have decided to not launch from Baikon or They have looked at all their options and then they've decided to go with the Falcon 9 Which means the SpaceX not only are going to be launching their network Starlink They're also going to be launching their competitors sort of one web, which is an interesting situation Although you can also see them as not competitors because their customer bases are meant to be different But then SpaceX has a Starlink premium service, which is also kind of going for one-web customers, which is There's a bit of a gray area there in my opinion what what are I guess I don't I don't know that much about one web What is their customer base? So it's more for big like big companies Enterprises those sort of customers Starlink is aimed more at the single consumer So you put a dish on the top of your house one web is more you put a dish on the top of your company headquarters That sort of thing But obviously starting premium is also going for that big market will give you loads of data But it will be really expensive. So it's aimed at companies Yeah, and also if I recall as well this week. It wasn't just a Meetup of a company as well with SpaceX, but SpaceX also broke off with space flight if I recall correctly as well so space flight and SpaceX have Passed ways with a announcement that came very quickly to space flight They were they got notification by text message and then a few minutes later. They got an email from the rideshare team at SpaceX That they're no longer be what gonna be working anymore beyond their current manifesto Which is a bit of a surprise considering? They've been launching a lot of customers payload space flight has on a lot of different vehicles over the last few years and it's a very It not many people saw this coming I don't think yeah It was I recall it was a quite a big one for most of the people even journalists who cover space flight as an industry Yeah, from the business side of things didn't even really see this one coming either No, it was a big shock and it was just something that didn't There was there was no prior wording or anything of it It was just like here's a text message three minutes later. Here's an email We're no one going to be working with you. Yeah, that's a yeah I guess that's one way to wrap things up like that And I also saw that SpaceX is getting ready to up their prices as well on their flights They're blaming inflation I Don't really think there's much more to say beyond this point. Yeah, but that's what SpaceX are blaming on the increase in prices Yeah, and I mean hey, you know, that's what happens when there's supply chain issues and things like that So yeah, that's that's kind of how it goes. So Interesting an interesting week for SpaceX. That's for sure. So how close is one web? Like I don't I realized how little I know about one web How close are they viable constellation? Are they do they have active customers now? Do they need more birds in the sky? I think they currently have off the top of my head thinking roughly I think they have about half to two-thirds of their network currently up because they're they're Current their first stage of the constellation is smaller than SpaceX's So I think it's about half to two-thirds although that is very rough maths in my head I don't know anything about it But Philip White House in the chat says what one web has a deadline to meet with the FCC Which is why they they need to get their Satellites in orbit. Oh I didn't know that otherwise they lose what they lose their licensing then for the spectrum. Yeah, possibly I Just drop that use it or lose it. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense essentially. So yeah That's also gonna say speaking of licensing and other things like that. I also saw that the FAA is continuing It has another delay for the work that they're doing at Boca Chica as well I saw that come down today With that pushing that out another month So it's been pushed by a month like how many times out two three times off track. It's it's count six months out Rename the show to six months out Everything we talk about tonight Going that's the industry is six months. It is that has been a going stick for this show for like over a decade at this point And it continues to apply somehow. I don't know how 2004 for Almost a decade then Yeah, that was well almost two decades well more than six months ago. Oh No, no, no, I meant I meant the shtick. Yeah, it's been a shtick since 2004 Yeah, on the show Well, we could say even before the show with certain well certain groups since 2004 and six months. Yeah All right, I derailed everything with that. No, it's okay Did you have more contracts or terms of service that you wanted to cover? Did you want to read paperwork to us? I'm fine. It's a fine print. Maybe so. Yeah, exactly You got something you can put up on screen that it can only work on a giant 4k TV Oh, yeah, you should cover that yes cover that go ahead Ryan I can I remember can I memorize that entire link? Did you do that in comic sans just to piss me off you could you could Serious one. This is like a serious one. I thought that's not din pro sands Wait, hang on. What's the more serious one? Hang on. I've got to open the 18 software to do that. Oh my god. Okay. Well, I thought it was gonna be easy I didn't realize was like Yeah, here we go That's lame to that's lame to all right. I mean at least that's a shorter link I You know I had an option I had an option to get him a black magic web presenter or an Adam And I should have gotten him the web presenter I've learned I've learned my lesson. Don't give him the toys that do the cheesy effects. He gets one channel. That's it Yeah, you get yeah. All right. Talk about the horribly long URL you just had on the screen There's a short one as well. There's a short one as well So in August psyche is hopefully going to be launching to the asteroid named psyche The only metal asteroid that we know of and it's possible that this is a core as the crust was knocked off by an asteroid Which also means that psyche orbits on its side. That's the current theory I want to fly it to Florida to film it So if you want to help contribute to this it cost quite a lot of money in August just head over to the link and And You can help contribute to this very cool mission and coverage which I'm very excited about and we've already received like 2800 pounds worth of money already, which is just brilliant and if you don't want to contribute Financially you can always share it around because that will help pretty much equally. So yeah, so share it with people You know and yeah other things wider space communities that'd be really helpful So one of the things that you get a lot of flak on on the on the chats is like it is really expensive Why can you go into detail as to why it's so expensive? Firstly, it's August which means that everything is pretty much doubled in price. Also. I'm not going by myself I'm gonna be going with my dad because I need someone to help with equipment I need a young drive because easily I can't do that out there yet and Yeah, which is why I think only the flights are really affected by that that doubles but things like obviously car rental won't change with that and Hotel room rates don't really change with that that much. So yeah That's really why the flight seemed a little inflated on the go fund me But that's just yeah, that's also, you know gas has gone up a lot too. Oh, no way. It's cheaper than you guys It's cheaper than us, but it's still gone up. Wait a second You won't be driving a model X plaid No, definitely not definitely not Hang on a second. You've got a self-driving s at home. Can't you just send that to Florida? Yeah, that would be cool. That would be cool Tesla go to Florida I think you on promise that years ago. Yeah, it was like six months out three years ago But he had that crazy little snake thing that was supposed to be able to like Charge your car as you drive up to it. Don't drop anything in front of it Yeah, all right, I'm sorry Let's talk it's a weird vibe on the show today, isn't it? Yeah We're kind of all over the place. Yeah, which is fine. I want to mess what a mess I mean, that's how the show normally goes you want to talk space launch system because that thing rolled out Yeah, I think we should talk about the space launch system. All right, so that thing rolled out It's so static fire. No, not a static fire wet dress, right? Yes We wet dress where the April 3rd is that that's their wet dress. It's either the third or the fourth I can't remember right off at the top of my head. I think I think it's the third I'm pretty sure it's the third too because I remember seeing that on the calendar and the axiom one on the calendar on the same day And I was like Wait a second So It's becoming there you go. Yeah, cool. Oh It's real. Yeah. I mean it's been real for a while. It's just like the rocket has left the building I repeat the rocket has left the building. Yeah, so what are we thinking? We think in I mean pretty pretty We're doing a wet dress because we need to test the integrated systems at this point like the ground systems at the pad and Everything else we should do another three or four years of research and development on it In 1980s based yes technology So we're doing a wet dress that we can oh also that's a really good shot with the launch and landing control center The firing rooms I said launch and landing. Sorry. That was habit That was not meant that was not meant as a as a slight to the rocket. That's habit firing rooms the firing rooms are comment section Just don't very intact. Well, it will it will impact the ground at some point. Oh, man It would know what well. Yeah, well Ocean do you consider the ocean the ground idea? Okay? Firing rooms are on the the right side. They're the that weird structure with the funky windows and There's a those are the windows that vibrate when you're in the Saturn 5 experience, right? Yes Yeah, actually yes, and then also you might need to look this up data But there's a shot from inside the firing room basically looking back out at that moment It's also what I used for the thumbnail. That's how I know that that exists I think I search for like SLS roll-outs, but it's pretty cool Cuz like here you've got the shot from this side showing the firing room and then you can actually see the firing room going back The other way with this giant rocket in the background, which is pretty cool. I am fairly fairly competent with the There you go. Wow. Not what I was not the shot. I was thinking up But like you still you get an idea. Yeah, Ryan. They got your shirt on the side of it. Oh, I know right It's a nice. It's a nice logo It is a nice right guy. Yeah, it's a good one. What is there you go? What is VA vn mean? Very nice. Yeah, that's what I was looking at. Like how cool is that? That's great. That's pretty. Look at the wonder in her eyes. I Mean if I were hang on if I were in that firing room, I'd be standing up looking at the rolling by the window, too Would you totally I'm just mocking Also, I do want to point something out So I don't know which firing room this is but SpaceX took over firing room for and the first thing They did was flip the room 180 degrees If you look at the desk in the lower right hand corner is pointed away from the windows Yes, so two things shenanigans one Don't you want to look out the window? Yeah Who doesn't want to look out the window and to imagine the glare on their computer screens from this giant Sealing window that they've got and the Sun that comes out at night. Oh, yeah on truck. It's Yeah, exactly. Anyhow, I I don't know why they face that direction Maybe so they don't get distracted No idea why you would want to face away from the thing you're launching but like at that point Why even have windows? Well, I mean they turn their chairs around they have an obstructed, you know If you have a window you put your computer monitors on that side then you got to like You got a what you see how large that thing is data stick your head up above Hang on look in the front of that frame. There's a there's a TV there You think they can't see the rocket over that TV that one. No, it's going down the crawler away But when it's sitting on the pad, it's a little bit farther away and would be lower in the window It's still big Bigger than a shuttle. Yeah, that's for sure. I'll be also Florida's flat. You can see for freaking ever. Yeah Yeah, you can see forever. Yeah, anyhow. Oh, all right So confirmed so what are we thinking we thinking this is gonna be a go do you think that because we do we do have waivers on the solids right now, right because we've exceeded the amount of time that they're Allowed for for the the seals in between the sections. Yeah, so they've already done a waiver once how someone remind me the waivers are good until June I want to say a little bit further than that. Is that right? If they're good to August, I'm a happy bunny Happy bunny. Thanks. So why August? because Hopefully I'll be there in August. I think if it gets the right idea, it'd be a big shame Alejandro St. July 7th, so that that kind of tracks Yeah, I think it's yeah, but they can push it by a month. They'll be fine Well, but the thing is they already have a they've done a waiver once. They've pushed it for it'll be a long time Just just push it Something's wrong So let's just say they don't make targets because this is this is the new rocket right like solid rocket boosters are like prescription drugs They lose their effectivity after a certain amount of time No, no, they don't that's not how that works That's not how that works at all. Don't we have solid missiles that have been in silos for decades? No, they can they can ox the contents inside can oxidize and and can limit performance. Okay, cool So just don't open the bottle then. Oh No, wait, we already did that. Oh, that's the problem We've we've broke the seal. So what are we thinking? We think and we're gonna go you so wet dress What's the theories here wet dress will happen on time? We've already tested the bejeebers out of the rocket, right? So we've got one boatload of data on the rocket itself now. We need data on the ground support systems GSE But we've already tested the GSE have we not They've done a bunch of tests on on like I haven't I haven't tested Yeah, I so I get all that so we've tested GSE as much as we can test and we've tested the rocket as much as we can test The last two tests basically are With the GSE plugged into the rocket Mm-hmm fuel the thing up and see how well it works like on because I guess they haven't actually done fuel on they've not Put have they done dummy weight on the crawler with that fuel with that type of vehicle yet Crawler, why would they do that with a well on the on the pad the pad crawlers integrated system the mobile launch pad Well, yes, sure that one because the crawler can your leaves. I get it. I get the earth Now I guess what I'm saying is like you few when you fuel the vehicle your CG can shift and move, right? Yeah, so We've not been able to test that yet We know the CG is gonna move Everyone's looking at me like I'm crazy. That's not a calculation that they do sure well Yeah, two point, you know the density of fuel You know the volume that's in it because of all your ground support equipment tells you what How much is in it? Let's look at Delta IV heavy that it took them what like a year to figure out how to fuel that thing on the pad Well, that's just engineers not doing their homework. Okay. Yeah, it's yeah, I don't buy that I think that's I think it's more complicated than that. I'm not saying you can't calculate it I'm just saying that like there's there's stuff that has to happen. I Would imagine and so I've got I'm two ways about that because I would imagine that there's a little bit of risk because of the Same issue that struck STS-133 when they fueled it and had the ground a bill umbilical cover plate leak And had to defuel it and then it took three months For them to fix the stringers that broke between the oxygen and the hydrogen tanks. You've got the same tank makeup So that seems like a schedule risk to me. Hmm. Not that you're bitter I wouldn't ever be salty about missing the only shuttle launch I was ever possibly there to see yes That's too bad because shuttle launches are amazing to see in person Having seen many of them myself so my go find me for sending data to Florida Actually live tomorrow launch coverage from the space launch system would be cool Let me need the Twitter the Twitter community would hate me for doing it because it's like you you hate SLS You're not allowed to like this stuff. You know, you can't do that. You can't do that You can't you can't appreciate something you hate. It's all God So anyhow, yeah, what do you so who doesn't like watching rockets take off? I've right. It doesn't matter what rock I don't care. I mean yeah as many issues of the issues as all the all the issues I have with SLS and its program It's still a rocket. I guess my question of the room is What do you think is gonna happen at this point, right? Like we've done a boatload of testing on GSE We've done a boatload of testing on the space launch system itself Do we think that we're at a point where? Integrated testing, you know, you'll probably find a few areas here and there But is this something we're really worried about or do we think that we've gotten through most of the schedule? I have to think that they would fuel it and de-fuel it just to practice that process and Procedures, that's what dress right? Yeah. Yeah, what dress and once they get that done. No, let's fix your problems and light this candle Yeah, right. You think so is that generally the consensus of everyone is that wet dress will happen generally on time I mean I'd sliding a day or two for weather or for normal Florida stuff doesn't count That's not what we're talking about here. Like we've seen delays on this rocket Massive delays on this rocket. We don't have any more of those, right? Like we're done with all that this thing's been built We understand it We've got a good idea of the ground system a good idea of the rocket This thing's gonna go pretty close to on time at this point unless they break some stringers after they de-fuel Still salty still salty. That's amazing Years years later. He's he's like riding to see her like a decade later. Yeah. Oh my god. Has it been a decade already? Yeah, yeah, hey Ryan, how do you ever do years Jared? Did you ever get to see a shadow on not in person? but I Watched plenty through a very interesting lens. I saw one on YouTube one time God all right Is that it is that it for space launch system if we if we Well, I mean, it's just it's just really cool to see it rolling out finally, you know, because there's been animations for how long Like a really long time. They didn't do the bond paint job. I'm just disappointed. Oh Yeah, the moon raker one. Yeah, I wanted that too. That would have been cool But they put a warm there instead, so You know, I'm okay. This is the point where NASA should have divine designed a new logo, right? The the here's the deal you had the meatball logo for the Apollo era You had the worm logo for the shuttle era and now we're entering the Artemis era the shuttle era What about the shuttle? Yeah, but let's not a bit of it I mean, yeah, but ultimately people associate the shuttle era with the worm logo, right? Okay, we're entering the the Artemis era. They should have a new NASA logo because they doesn't then the 80s worm logo doesn't apply the 60s meatball doesn't apply they need something cool and awesome and Artemis E and like epic I mean the Artemis logo is pretty good and at the moment. I'm seeing in NASA branding They're using the NASA logo which then animates into the Artemis logo So what's wrong with a combination of both because the Artemis logo in my opinion looks really cool So what's the point of redesigning the worm if you've already got a really strong Artemis logo just use them together? Is but hang on are they animating into the worm logo or into the meatball into the the meatball is animating into the Artemis logo Yeah, so then why is it? Okay, so they've got a logo problem If the meatball yeah, the meatball animates into the Artemis logo Which then they have the worm logo on the side of the rocket. What's going on there? There's a meatball on the top of the rocket, too Don't you see it the worm is for the lower thirds because when you watch NASA TV when the lower third animates in it Okay, the worm is why you know this this shows exactly my point That's that this is stupid if you look at the rocket all of the Apollo stuff has the meatball on it But all the shuttle stuff has the worm I Don't see what the issue is here They're just labeling things correctly I don't know why you guys are in such a having such a hissy fit over this because to me it makes perfect sense That is fantastic. Well played Jared. I mean just look at it Solids. Oh, yeah, we would have put those on a side of a Saturn 5 wouldn't we yeah, I'm sure Werner would have liked that one See look there the Apollo bit It's got a meatball. Well, they got they got a worm up there, too. There you go. They do welcome Where's the where there's an eight? Oh go on that? Above the meatball is it the meatball? I can't see it. I'm gonna hang on. We're getting yeah, we're both about to get up and look It's a worm But that's a two pixels for me I can't tell so but that's attached to a bit That's a part of the that has the orbital maneuvering system engine from shuttle Oh my god, that was a stretch. Yeah, good one But you see like this is this is a mess. This is an absolute mess because what's not maybe not in NASA is like oh bipolar maybe It's not I'm just saying it's time for a new epic logo for NASA something that something for the Artemis generation What where did we break the room Where did we break the room? It's all good. Okay good. So I miss something. That's just gonna say that don't I'd know not at all, but They can get things done Grant says it's a worm. It's a plane. It's a Exactly it's ESA and then ESA like I love that. It's like it's worm logo worm logo meatball ESA American flag Yeah, I like guys were here It's like they it's like the Livry design is for us. I asked NASA Do you want to go go on there and they just were like what logo do you want? Yes Pretty much, you know Go look in the back cabinet and see if you can find any logos we can stick on this thing There's some there's got some stencils back here. We've got a little bit of everything forever You guys want to put it out there, so I mean, I know they took all the flags off the Soyuz. We're gonna put all the flags on ours You know, that's great. Let's look at good you guys get down there get a cocktail bring it up here. What's they pull it up? People mistake that for the cost Anyways, I feel like you know, there are a lot of engineers who say it's just a stupid logo. It doesn't matter Branding matters. It's not just branding. It's got to look cool, right? Like you have to inspire people because it's people who pay for your rocket. And so it needs to be cool and I feel like Neither ultimately neither the meatball nor the worm logo is cool anymore There's as space nerds. We've got our favorites and we have these these little wars in between references and things exactly But like the general populace It didn't it doesn't have the same cachet the worm logo does not have the same cachet as it did when they introduced When they brought it in line with the shuttle, it wasn't introduced with the first shelves But you get the idea, right? There was this really huge excitement around shuttle and Space travel and like this was kind of a newness thing, right? everything was new and shiny and Like they've got a brilliant opportunity here with new and shiny to do something cool to help inspire everyone to be like You know, this is this is your this is your generation's NASA Right, you're wearing the logo from our generation's NASA. Yeah Well, the only reason I'm against a new logo is because one I need new clothes to I need new bed covers So I don't understand. He's basically so he has the wrong logo on all this stuff Oh my god, Ryan's going on a field trip. So chat room. You're wrong. The worm ball is not the best Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no, how dare you worm ball is illegal absolute it comic sans NASA logo It goes against the the design Requirements and and stipulations for both logos. You got a meatball on your pillow. You're gonna clean that off This is why I don't a new logo because I don't have to get new things Yeah, but they're already putting the worm logo on the rocket So you're already going to have to get new things and and I already have a warm logo All right, well now you're gonna have to get like sheets with the European Space Agency logo on it to be fair Jamie the the space shuttle didn't start with the warm logo. That's what I said. I said that earlier They but it was introduced pretty early on. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. No, I get it I get it. They just had an opportunity here with all the delays of SLS to be like, hey Let's get a new logo and do a really amazing like if they had planned this out If they had planned this out, they could have done like, okay It's launch day update the logo on all the NASA centers update all the logos on like the everything, right? Like the jump the flight suits the all of it all of a sudden just out of the blue new logo There's still time and no one wouldn't know who they are not on the rocket though No one would know who they are Yeah, if you just change their logo without warning anybody, they'll be like who's this Naysay What is people doing these dorks? We've we've we've hammered on this for way too long. I'm sorry. No more You have anything else that excited you this week Jared. Oh, well, you know Big tell you talk about the big telescope. Yeah, how dare you looking good? So now so yeah, everything start everything is aligning up with all the mirrors on it. So It's looking it's looking really good now. I have to find that. What does that mean? From what I have been told by one of my friends who works at the science the space telescope science Institute That kind of operates all these things Things are looking as good as physics can allow. Whoa. So that's crazy. Yes, like we're now They need to do is break physics. So yeah, you go for everyone Yeah, push physics a little bit on our our big telescope out in space the big cold telescope So what so do you have the y'all there's a really good? Well first of all hang on data. Can you find a lower resolution of that one for us? That should be an image in the drop box from the latest news if you want to go and find that There there was a really good animation somebody did where they showed a ground-based version of this image and then this actual image from the big telescope itself and It was Absolutely amazing the difference in detail with it there like in that ground-based telescope was nothing to sneeze at either It was like a like a four and a half meter Telescope with adaptive optics and things like that So those are when you shoot like a laser through the atmosphere and figures out life Yeah, you shoot a laser up into the upper atmosphere. It makes the Molecules up there excited it glows like a star you interpret how the glow wiggles through the atmosphere and then you Literally using certain mechanical systems modify the shape of the mirror to Basically undo all of the bending of the light coming through the Earth's atmosphere, which is like absurd to think about So of course when you put your telescope in space don't have to worry about that So you end up you end up not having to deal with adaptive optics or anything like that unless you put an atmosphere around your telescope Yeah, I mean if there was an atmosphere around that telescope, we would have a very big problem so Like like bigger than I don't think you could service it at that point You just send a shot off He's just removing all the servicing options from James Webb Space Telescope is that what you're saying? Yes I I'm just blown away at the idea that this is as Is Basically as much as physics allows mm-hmm like that that's incredible to me usually we can get close But physics still technically allows for a little bit more Yeah, it's just it's incredible to me that they're like they're basically saying like nope This is it this you can't go any further. Well, you can make a bigger Bigger telescope. Yeah, but you're still you'd still be hitting the limits of physics, right? Well, I mean if you gather more light, which means you could see further which means you can you know see more That's helpful. So it's kind of why big telescopes bigger than Hubble. So thanks. Yeah, all right So you're excited. I am it's gonna be great I cannot wait for the first set of science to come down from it and they've already got the first first series of Studies lined up with the in observations first on first observation arc If you will for what that's gonna do and I'm very excited to see the results. It's gonna be everything galaxies Stuff within our own Milky Way and even stuff within the solar system. So super excited Can we see the black hole in the middle of our Milky Way? If you look hard enough, hmm, how many quarters you got so How about you anything else more paperwork? I Don't I don't have any more paperwork. I do just want to quickly say thank you though to Julian They just donated during the show. So thank you very much. Oh, and if you want to join them go to the Lincoln Chat. Thanks, and With the data just found a not potato quality version of that image. Yep Here's the thing though. So that's really cool. But I feel like with a flashlight and a star filter Yeah a little bit but you also can't make those little smudges around it there Challenge accepted not smudges. Those are galaxies. Oh was it was this at JJ Abrams? No, because it wasn't ruined so Everyone knows the story of that right Star Trek. Yeah, he actually to get the lens flares He actually had a flashlight off off the side of the camera and they baked it in that's not an effect Yeah, and so after the fact it's like, oh, this is a lot and they couldn't take them out. Yeah Yeah, who's he thinking is Michael Bay? I Feel like that's I think we're kind of starting to wrap up here Yeah, I think we actually wrapped up about 15 minutes ago But kept the show going on life support for hot minute for no reason. We can talk about starship if you want cuz we You can I can But I asked you twice and you get you're like, you know my trip to the US and you never gave me starship Well Now he's giving me starship Yeah, I just okay. Well according to our viewing figures on the last episode of space news It looks like we were the first people to cover booster 4 and ship 20 not going to orbit, which is really cool Thanks for watching everybody. Thanks for to all the new 60 subscribers. We got half an hour decrease for this month so Booster 4 ship 20 are no longer We suspected this for a very long time. They're not going to orbit wrapped one is old wrapped to his new They can't put raptor to on B4 and s20 so bye-bye to boost for and starship which is and chip 20 We're just kind of sad because they've been there for a long time They've been really putting the GSE through its paces with the cryogenic and load tests But yeah, bye-bye. We'll see you. I hope they keep them But they're kind of running out of space They've already got like three starships to super heavies just sitting there at the rocket garden in Boca Chica They don't need to buy any more tanks. They just park extra rockets Support equipment and use them in storage units. Yeah, you could use the old starships as the GSE Wouldn't that be cool interesting? Yeah, I mean if that doesn't work out Just bring it back to Hawthorne and stick it out front. You're welcome The GSE tanks apart from the methane tanks are built the same way as starships They just have an extra cryo shell on top which makes them stay cold because if you don't if you've never been to Texas It sometimes gets quite hot there You're talking about a vacuum jacket am I yeah Whenever whenever you entered data's area of expertise. Yes, whenever you whenever you have a tank that has Cryogens inside you make another tank on the outside and then you suck all the air out and That lack of air prevents the cryogens on the inside from frosting the tank on the outside So it doesn't get warm. Yes basically what I said I Was just giving you the name for it Thank you very much data. That's everything The new HHS contract as well And that's it. What's the HLS contract? They're doing one more mission It's literally they're doing one more mission on Artemis 3. So yeah before so instead of Escape way won't be there yet. Orion's going straight to a starship And yeah, that's pretty much it. Yeah, and I think they're going to be going for a second lander as well If I recall correctly, yeah, they are so so we're gonna be looking for a bigger lander that lasts longer That'll cost more that isn't starship because SpaceX on a heart to participate. Yeah, so the old adage Why have one when you can have two at twice this price? I Don't really feel like that's an old adage. I think that's straight out of a movie. Yeah Well, it's from contact contact. That's the one. Yeah I was like Carl Sagan, maybe one of my one of my favorite lines Yeah, it's the truest thing in that film. Yes That's a pretty good film. I didn't say it was not a good film. I just said it's the truest thing in it. Okay. That's very Very true. I feel I feel like we I still feel like we stalled you just kind of whip. Sorry Yeah, it's fine. We'll let it be we you know not every show can be an amazing epic show It's gonna say Robert in our chat room brought up that we opened some Apollo samples Recently this past week like lunar sample. Yeah, so that had been sealed for since their return Why had we not open them prior to that? Was there a reason for letting them sit there? Yes, there was some foresight from the folks who worked on the Apollo program. They said, you know what many years from now They will probably have instruments that are way better than what we have now So we should set aside some samples so that in the future if they would like some fresh ones They've got them and they can do amazing science with them completely fresh And that's exactly what this that's exactly why they've opened this new to sample tube is to pull it out Analyze it with these new systems and see what more we can learn from it Do we have more sample tubes or was this one of the last one? There's still more so that's pretty cool. Yeah Oh, that's sweet. Yeah. Go us. It's good. I you know, I'm not sure if they're working on lunar dust and RTG It looks to him scarred to tell Telling that photo what's going on there? It's either the end of the world or some amazing. Yeah Nuclear what nuclear moon nuclear Starship Nuclear drone game over nuclear moon in April 1st. You have to wait till April 1st. All right on that note I'd like to think every you know, so you know everyone so much for watching Thank you data for that one including the members who helped make these shows go week after week Month after month and if the live show isn't your cup of tea because it's a little bit random and weird filled with inside jokes We also have the amazing space news show that's done by Ryan right now And that's a much more scripted less inside jokie show And they're different levels to membership Starting from it. So you just saw escape velocity. 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