 Is it a window or a door? We're talking about Juliet balconies. Where's the moan? You're supposed to go, oh, this one again. Has anybody had this problem when they get a Juliet balcony, come to the protection of open requirements, 3925 protection of window? Is it a window or is it a door? Because if it's a window, we need to apply the requirements. But if it's a door to this Juliet balcony, let's do the provisions apply. Is it a window or a door? Are people facing this problem? No, no, you're not getting Juliet balcony specified. Too cold, too wet, too much rain. Nobody wants a Juliet balcony, let's end the rain. Is that it? If it's a door, it's a balcony. Let's go through the provisions. Of course, we're talking about 3925 protection of open windows. You might be aware that these came in in recent years. These provisions in 3925 are about to prevent people, particularly children, from falling through open windows. Through windows it could be opened. We're using Volume 2, however, there are some provisions in Volume 1 for some classifications of buildings. So keep that in mind as we go through. Let's have a look at the actual relevant provision. Here it is in Volume 2. And as you can see, these requirements apply to windows. We've got a bedroom where the floor level is at least 2 metres above below, so that's every upper-story bedroom. And that window bedroom, and when you've got a window to that bedroom with a seal height less than the 1.7 metres, the 1.7 metres is up there, kids can't get through that. Our Juliet balcony, seal height was just off the carpet, wasn't it? Is it a window and therefore subject to these provisions? Is it a window? Yes or no? No, somebody's saying it's a door. Is it a window? Yes or no? I'm waiting for what the guy at the front says, because he's got all the right answers. It's a window. It's doing what a window has to do. It's performing the function of a window, which is ventilation. The delivery sticker came and it said door. And when it was ordered, it was ordered as a door, but it's installed to do what a window does. I know our friend here is trying his best to get out onto the balcony per se, but there's no occupiable balcony, therefore that is a window for enabling ventilation. The threshold is too high for a doorway, which is true. That's another good point in applying judgement. And which is what I'm saying, because if that was occupiable, if that's an occupiable balcony, of course it's a door, you step out to it, and as long as the threshold's fine, you step out onto the balcony, then it's a door, and therefore 3925 won't apply, and you don't have to provide the protection of openings, because of course it applies to the entire window, and this would have to be filled in. Any architects who've rotten tomatoes in the room? Because it would be really ugly, wouldn't it? And this is where you're going to say, well, how big is a balcony? Because if I can step out onto it and make it a balcony, and it's okay, you know, we'll call that a window, a window, what's the width frame? You want me to give you a number? I can't. You have to apply judgement and figure out if it is an occupiable balcony, or if it's simply a Juliet balcony window for ventilation. Has anyone been here? No? Yes? This is, I love this, this is Casa di Giulietta. I've pronounced that wrong. I'm sorry, my Italian friends. This is in Verona. This is the original Giulietta balcony. It's a tourist attraction in Verona, from the house of Capulet, it's the original Giulietta balcony. Isn't that just wonderful? I just love this picture, but keep in mind, Giulietta's a fictional character, and this was built probably about 300 years after Shakespeare died, but it's the original Giulietta balcony, and Casa di Giulietta in Verona, go and have a look when you're there next. I call that a balcony, and it's a balcony, you can occupy it, and you walk through, Giulietta can walk through the door there and get wooed by Romeo, talking, sprouting nonsense about the sun and yonder window, et cetera. Hang on, yonder window breaks, what light through yonder door breaks in accordance with the building code of Australia? I call that a door, because that's an occupiable balcony. And if we determine to, but if we determined to be window, like I said, you've got your bedroom, you've got your 1.7 metres, you need to get, you restrict the 125mm sphere from going through the entire opening. So it's okay down there, but here, you can throw your sphere through that opening quite happily. It has to be entirely protected. Really ugly, I know, but that's what is required. Now keep in mind, let's take this out of the bedroom and put it next door in the lounge room upstairs. Because there's required, further requirements in 3925 about rooms which aren't windows. Please hold your question, I'll take it very shortly. And those requirements are we need, we need to have a barrier, not less than 865mm tall, with the non-climable between 150 and 760 with the 120, the 125 sphere. So what we're saying is we take that from the bedroom, put it into the lounge room next door with the 4m fall, and it has to be 865mm for 3925 if we call it a window. Now, I'd go to 3922 and say we've got a concurrent requirement, which is we need a continuous barrier to a floor if the traffic or surface is more than a metre. I'd take that 865 for your Juliet balcony, take it up to a metre, and I'd save that 865 for the window sill which is of course where the heritage of that provision is.