 It can do so what's the difference between fake tanning cream and real tanning cream? Well real tanning cream is just You just put it on so you tan better You know it would be like baby oil or something fake tanning cream turns your body Orangey color into that kind of like basting yourself If you think about it, right? Well, the former is yeah real tanning is like cooking your skin Like you're rotissering yourself, but the fake tan. I don't know some people do it really well I've never had good results with that. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna stay fair Even if your results are good. There's still that moment where you touch someone and you rub off the fake tan. Yeah, so yeah Friend of mine ran a salon a fake tanning salon Yeah, yeah, it's like even if the color is right. It's like can't wear white. Yeah, you know gonna ruin some stuff and Then when it starts to come off just like real skin doesn't come off uniformly You kind of have a weird flaky week. Yeah, it's so hard to play people Make it look so easy on TV. Yeah, where are your sunscreen everybody? Practice in a sharp knife Tom Seriously years years practice so many Ran not everybody's a Ramsey Bolton. I'm just saying and thank God for that Oh I listened to the most the latest episode of binge mode, which I've mentioned is my favorite Game of Thrones wrap-up show and There were some tears From one of the hosts is it because it's over. No, it's because of like a particular scene That she did not agree with Animal lovers might agree See it then you've seen it I have I can think of the latest episode of Game of Thrones you've seen Roger turn the feet off During the entire show pretty sure you've seen that episode. Yeah, okay. Hmm. Got it. All right You can't spoil it for me because I've not seen but only two episodes, so I'm literally what I know that there are people who might be behind Or whatever, I'm not trying to Is to push forward in time the Continent of Westeros into that whatever the equivalent of the 21st century is and see if they're still the same game But it'll be a corporate game There was that Scandinavian sketch comedy show that did a Version of Game of Thrones as if it were set in the contemporary period really yeah with Lannister core and all this stuff It was pretty good guy who plays the mountain. There's a on YouTube so many click to all these commercials and the guy who plays the mountain Shows up in and out of them. They're like basically trying to convince people to not use water bottles to not buy bottles and the best one is the the sister is Falling this guy picks up like two big cases of bottled water and she appears around the corner shame Like one of the coolest things I've ever seen in my life All right, well, let's let's do a little Daily Tech news show Right We Go everybody Raymond luxury yacht. Oh, sorry. It's spelled luxury yacht. I believe it's pronounced throat wobbler Mangrove has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Raymond become a DTNs member at patreon.com slash DTNs This is the Daily Tech news for Friday, May 10th 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and I'm the shows producer Roger Chang joining us the host of tech thing comm and AVA excel mr Patrick Norton back on the show. Welcome back Patrick Happy to be here. I Am going to look fine. I'm looking forward. I'm not even going to I'm already looking forward To you telling us why a new $3,000 laptop doesn't perform as well as my two-year-old laptop. I brought props nice Watch the video version It's nice. Yeah, we will get to that in a few moments, but let's start with a few tech things you should know Following on anti-trust investigations in Europe and Russia sources tell Reuters that the competition commission of India has ordered an Investigation of whether or not Google abused its dominant position for Android in the Indian market The investigation began after a complaint that Google blocked Android competitors, but it's unknown who filed the complaints Chinese e-commerce company JD reported its revenues grew 21% in Q1 Which might sound good to you at first But it's their slowest pace on record Chinese companies are starting to reach a saturation point domestically and needing to find new markets to expand into but JD in particular is also Feeling pressure from several high-level staff departures and a lawsuit from a University of Minnesota student alleging rape against JD CEO Google has rolled out the podcast focus search results that it announced at Google I O Searching for a podcast now shows three most recent episodes Which can be played through a web player at podcast.google.com Users signed in with the Google account can sync playback through the Google podcast app and it works with daily tech news show I checked Google announced that all Chromebooks launched this year Intel or ARM will be Linux ready out of the box now Yes, Chrome OS is in fact built around the Linux kernel But what they mean by this is you'll be able to run Debian from terminal type in terminal You're running Debian and with a few shell commands You can do Ubuntu or Fedora as well the Linux OS runs alongside the Chrome as Chrome OS in these situations Meaning you can move your files between them Alright, let's talk a little more about the biggest news in tech stocks this year or for a while actually Yeah, this is a big one Uber began trading stock on the New York Stock Exchange Friday under the ticker symbol Uber the stock was issued at forty five dollars per share the low end of expectations the stock finished at forty one point five five Dollars lift stock which you know is Uber's biggest competitor has fallen more than 25 percent since its IPO in late March Both Lyft and Uber tell investors that 2019 is their year of peak losses Great year. That means the prices got a rise soon, right as ridership is reaching a plateau 85% of people in the US use ride-hailing services rarely or never Meanwhile a study last year found that services the services we're talking about at least add two point six new vehicle miles for each Mile that they lose last year 24% of ubers bookings came from Sao Paulo, London, New York, LA and San Francisco Yeah, this changes everything folks now that the ride-hailing companies that the two big ones in the US anyway and And there are more around the world we understand this but the pressure is on for these companies to start making money And and it doesn't mean they have to turn a profit this year But when they say peak losses this year that means don't worry investors. This is the worst It's gonna get we'll start reducing those losses pretty soon And then we will eventually be profitable But to do that they need to have more people riding 85 percent of the people in the US not Very very often riding a service like this isn't good when you're going to have to face a price rise if you want to reach Profitability and the question sir. I think is can they survive into a more efficient system that is promised Who knows when down the road like driverless cars? Yeah, and and both uber and Lyft have have been public about their plans to be part of that revolution but they've got a lot of competition and You know we when you say 85 percent of folks aren't using ride-hailing services I was also talking to an uber driver when I was in San Francisco last week who lives in Sacramento, California Comes to San Francisco for like five days a month to make a bunch of money And I said why you do that don't people like uber and Sacramento and he said well the drivers don't because there's Everyone's going downtown, but they live way out And so you end up wasting a lot of gas because you're not getting fairs coming back in certain cities just aren't set up for growth for either of these companies so that's where Uber and Lyft, which is I mean the stock has taken quite a hit Over what two months? So that's you know, you're kind of like all right. Well, this is the this is the model until we all go driverless Let's call it 10 years from now Yeah, what what what do these stock prices look like in five years? It's amazing how disruptive you can be when you're spending somebody else's money against people that don't have somebody else's money to spend I mean the idea was you know, we're gonna we're gonna lose money to gain ridership And then once we get that ridership we'll have people addicted and then you know We can do it netflix and hulu and all those companies are doing right and start to slowly raise prices Because everybody will rely on it But there's a question of whether enough people are relying on this and cities are actively It's not even just about taxi drivers being upset or or licensing problems. I mean dericose or shahi Let's give him credit has done a great job of making uber a better citizen with cities But if you're adding 2.6 new vehicle miles for each mile you remove by giving someone a ride You're making congestion worse and that's going to make it hard for cities to want to Cooperate with you. Yeah Well, we'll see if uh scooters and public transit Instructions, which is kind of they're two big things that they're adding will will help with that Microsoft corporate vice president kevin gallo wrote in a blog post this week You've told us that you would like us to continue to decouple many parts of the universal windows platform So that you can adopt them incrementally in other words Microsoft is no longer trying to force developers into uwp They don't have the phone anymore Which was kind of the big promise of uwp because you could write an app once and it would work on whatever device They still have hollow ends. They still have the xbox But gallo told mary joe foley of zd net by the time we are done Everything will just be called windows apps doesn't matter if it's win 32 or uwp or whatever And don't get them wrong. Microsoft's not taking away uwp Microsoft wants to make all developer features available to all the windows frameworks gallo also said apps do not need to be in the store anymore That was a point of contention for a while and paul therot at therot.com points out this effectively means uwp as the one platform for all Windows apps is dead Mm-hmm So i don't it doesn't I don't know it's i feel bad for developers, but you feel bad for developers. This is giving the developers what they want Yes, i mean i feel bad for developers who tried so hard to make uwp work And committed to products that were only available in the microsoft store Which many of us avoided assiduously But i you know i can also remember having a moment where i couldn't run the udp version of skype from the store But i could run You know, i mean it was just you know if microsoft With all of their development effort could have issues having you know uwp apps function as well as standalone apps What chance does a small shop or a smaller developer have i mean i mean The nice thing about this is microsoft is taking a developer friendly tack finally right but yeah, right It sucks that people either had to deal with this problem By not doing it and and facing resistance from microsoft Or pouring a lot of effort into doing it and now have microsoft Not pull the rug out from under them their uwp apps will still work But feeling like well, maybe i didn't have to spend all that time. Yeah, the wording of it also is yeah It's very much like you asked for it and we're delivering because we're microsoft and we care I think i think it's not wrong. I mean it's but it's you know, it's it's that that is purposeful language I will add the one area that i will personally be affected is in the xbox one homebrew community Who was who were using uwp as a way to build essentially custom applications That's not going away. It's not going to hurt that right They're not taking uwp away. Let's be let's be very clear about that. They're just saying you don't have to use it anymore Earlier this week add-ons for firefox broke because of expired signing certificates mozillus cto Eric riskorla has posted a detailed explanation of how this happened When they noticed it and why it took as long as it did to fix it The expired cert was noticed at 6 p.m. Pacific last friday a fix was shipped at 2 44 a.m So just shy of nine hours later part of the reason it took so long was security riskorla notes that mozillus own security protocols are good practice But somewhat inconvenient if you want to issue a new certificate on an emergency basis Riskorla talks about ways to prevent this from happening in the future Including better tracking of time sensitive issues and better ways to securely push urgent updates. Patrick. I hear you laughing already A full postmortem will be issued next week I'm just thinking of the number of times like certificates have gone out or There've been a couple major websites where they've forgotten to pay or nobody actually knew who had signed up for the original url Right. We're gonna go. Yeah Yeah, I mean I had a conversation with somebody about that at a large organization I used to work for a few years ago and they're like well at some point We really need to figure out how to pay for this Or just keep praying that the credit card keeps renewing each year and I just remember being like that's That's kind of big I mean that that is very hard Is like how did the certificate not get renewed and he acknowledges that in this post? But if you get past that this is a really fascinating post about Hey folks, things aren't as easy as it looks. I know your add-ons didn't work and we should have renewed the certificate but He he very much explains why it took nine hours and I think makes a pretty good case why it had to take nine hours If you want to do it right And pointed out like we were following our own security protocols And the better thing to do is not skimp on security protocols Just because you want to get something done faster, especially when you're dealing with a security certificate So no no no no no when people are in a hurry you should just blow by all of the security protocols and All those checks and balances and all those laws and safety equipment It'll all work out the way it's meant to This is this is great as as an insight into the process for people who don't realize like Oh fixing this kind of stuff takes a long time and there's good reasons why it takes a long time And he's very transparent about what they did It also Doesn't try to let themselves off the hook that like yeah, we should have never been in this problem in the first place We and we're going to work on that We're going to make sure we have better tracking on our certificates and and I hope they do I hope they figure all that stuff Is anybody other than me just delighted when When manufacturers or vendors or developers are actually like we screwed up massively and we're really sorry about that Is that just refreshing or is it just me? I think what's most Detail, right? Right. Yeah. Yeah, it's not just oh, sorry. It's like all right. Let me explain what happened. I think that's what I meant It's so refreshing because so many companies don't do that well enough You know where it's sort of like all right. Well, the problem went away, you know, and everyone's like, but we're still outraged We want to apologize now. Can you all go away? Thanks. Where is our catharsis? Right, right. No, I think mozilla's doing a good job of giving you catharsis without without saying You know, we didn't do anything wrong. I think they're they're owning Our tactic is ron amadeo writes today that the nest we knew is dead so many things dying. Well, uwp isn't dying but There are definitely parts of nest that are dying although nest hasn't been an independent company since last year at google io this week Google nest became the official rebrand. We talked about that on tuesday Uh, it that means it's a google smart home product So like the google nest protect the google nest secure alarm system google nest. Hello Chromecast didn't get rebranded yet. That'll be interesting the google nest cast Possibly anyway, I notice on nest.com itself reads that works with nest is winding down now We mentioned this on tuesday, but we've had a few days to kind of wrap our heads around what this means nest Works with nest was the smart home platform that let your nest thermostat or your drop cam or whatever Work with a lot of other smart home products usually using the thermostat as the hub Now strategy will focus on the works with google assistant program Which as we noted tuesday has some more restrictions On how it uses data and what it can do which is good But the other side of this is that nest ecosystem is shutting down on august 31st and the verge notes That's going to affect amazon philips hue ift Logitech harmony leutron lights august home and we most switches among others Apparently google is working with amazon to migrate the nest skill To the google home google assistant platform. So that may not end up being a problem, but all of these others will This is i mean i had a friend of mine who um I can't say that word is the family friendly podcast who lost his collective stuff Earlier this year because iris shut down and he had thousands of dollars of hardware and time invested in the you know The iris which was lo's competitor to home depots home automation system that i can't even remember the name of this It's like 18 months span where they seem to kind of own the future before google and amazon stepped in and You know we're seeing more and more of this where people have heavily invested in an ecosystem and it gets wiped out And you know the thing that you know, we're thinking about on tech thing this week Is like this whole relationship between google and nest has been kind of a hot mess You know and you know and i also run out as an alphabet company, which made perfect sense to me right Alphabet saying like let's have a separate hardware company that can do other things Uh, but then you know some people say it was because of the management other people say it was cold feet They brought it back in under google and now it's just a product line under google's hardware division and barely Yeah, and well, it's it's it's gone. I mean nest This is essentially a zombie brand that happens to have been fairly functional until you know It's not like the polaroid television You know your dad picked up while he was at walmart, but this is essentially they're they're just turning into something And recognition out there so they want to keep using other google products exactly uh, but I you know, I imagine there will be More migration paths for some of these brands than it looks like right now That there will be other ways to maybe even use google assistant To route through stuff to ift and then get it back into your system But it's going to require work no matter what it's going to require people to do things like migrate accounts Nest require is going to require or at least highly encourage people to change their nest accounts to google accounts And a lot of people aren't going to want to do that Uh, which means they're left with a zombie account that google isn't saying they're going to shut down now But it's not going to get any feature updates. It's only going to get security updates. So I don't know I'm kind of down with people moving off the nest Uh ecosystem in some ways because or the the nest sort of Back in because they had security issues. I'm also laughing because I'm I'm looking at killed by google dot com And I'm like waiting for nests to pop up here Which probably isn't going to happen until august 31st Or been killed by google dot com go there It's uh gives you some real pause before you invest a lot in any hardware system owned by google And gadget reports that lift is experimenting with longer term car rentals to a test of customers in san francisco Lift confirmed the program and said we're currently testing a small-scale rental option for long distance trips like a weekend away Testers will pay about 60 dollars a day for a standard sedan and around 100 dollars a day for an suv Renters will be able to claim up to 20 dollars and lift credit for a ride to a lift rental car lot Which at least right now is based in san francisco's mission district from wherever they are at the time I find this pricey roger and I were kind of trying going around earlier to try to decide if with fees and stuff Is this really pricey roger? I know you think it's it's it's a fair amount. I still think it's kind of high Uh right now a hundred dollars a day That's you go look for an suv right now on travel velocity. You can get it for 66 dollars a day with the fees and stuff That's probably more like 75 but uh in san francisco Yeah, it's in san francisco. They run it in 19 percent saving charging back the uh, well, it turns out where you rented My question was like that's an all-in-price right once you pay that you're not paying additional taxes You're not paying additional airport fee and that to me. I mean even if it was 15 or 20 dollar differential Per day, that's still I mean if you're only going to use the car a few days I would totally go for it because you don't need to worry about the rest of it You don't have to worry about getting your car back to enterprise or whomever and Once you drop it off you just take a lift back to the airport and they're giving you credits for that Yeah, so well and now they're competing with people like me who use get around to rent out our cars Upstanding citizens Who just want to make a buck when they don't drive for days on end because they work from home? So thanks a lot lift. I know this is just a test in san francisco But if it's if it's successful, it's you know, it's gonna it's gonna creep outward Well, and I'm sure the get-around prices are lower than this, right? I I assume they are Yeah, well, you can set your price. So for my car. I could say you pay me a hundred dollars a day My car is technically an SUV, but yeah, you could say 95 and then yeah Yeah, you know, it's a whole sort of system of you know You kind of want to just like undercut the other person who has the same model car as you but again You know when you're if you if you are a faithful lift user and they they've got this option And you're like, oh, I want to go to wine country for the weekend. Let's just use lift We already use lift. Well, they're they're gonna do well that Yeah, and you wouldn't have to pay for a lift out to the airport You wouldn't have to deal with the airport at all, right? That's a nice convenience I still think it's a little pricey, but maybe it's not that bad all in You guys have started to convince me Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com Patrick recently did a review of the idea pad s940 and I know Patrick It got you thinking why a laptop like that which costs around $3,000 and has a faster cpu got beat in your performance test by a Laptor with an older slower processor Yeah, this has been interesting for me friend of mine Bought a $3,000 laptop about I don't know a year ago 18 months ago. It was passively cooled I either was no fans inside of it and the idea that he was going to have this magnificent Core i7 high power Extraordinarily in a he had a one terabyte hard drive. You know 32 gigabytes of memory. It was just it was maxed out And he put it next to his his existing computer You know and starts transferring things and start using it and even in day-to-day use it was miserable as in imagine, you know Like remember when you went home and you used your dad's computer and he hadn't updated it in like five years Before you left home you left home five years ago He uses it for checkers on yahoo. So he doesn't really notice anything But you try to launch a web page and it takes three days It was not quite that bad using this brand new $3,000 laptop But it was astonishingly bad in day-to-day like opening browser like literally there were moments where there were like 15 browser windows or 15 browser tabs open and type was lagging as you tried to type into a document If you actually try to do any real work I just remember being blown away because this brand new core i7 system Side by side with a two-year-old core i5 laptop that cost half as much new The core i5 laptop this deluxe ps 13 was absolutely smoking it and we started to realize as we started using some tools Look at we started to realize that you know The the laptop was quickly becoming thermally saturated And what happens is if this is a good thing for the most part right back in the day You could manage to generate so much heat in your processor that you could literally fry your processor A roger and I could tell you stories tom would point and laugh and join in except that he probably already adequately Always adequately cooled as processors, but it gets really frustrating because laptops are designed Especially as they get thinner and thinner and thinner there there's a You know this is idea of a tdp or thermal design power and most laptops are like 15 watt 45 watt or 90 watt 90 watts Are the big like lunch tray size gaming laptops an xps 13 the s9 40 most of the ultra portables They're probably running like a 15 watt tdp, which means all the computing power Has to basically fit inside of that 15 watt space and in theory, you know processors may go up to 150 of tdp in some situations But fundamentally how well your processor performs is directly related to how good a job your hardware does cooling it and You know I was I was teasing tom like I have props But you know this is a very small like 37 millimeter knock to a cooler that's designed for low profile cases Like you know, I have this very cool case. It's very small and this is going to go inside of it This is you know by the time you get to a 95 watt desktop processor This is maxed out and it's probably if you're doing things that Generate a ton of heat like you're rendering video you're using all eight cores of your of your you know your your processor That tends to saturate the device like heat kind of builds up and then the First the processor gets hot then the cooler gets hot then the area around the case gets hot and everything inside the case gets hot Which is why you would use you know a bigger cooler and a bigger cooler is guess what going to pull more heat away But you can't fit a bigger cooling system inside of a laptop So it gets really interesting when you start looking at roughly the same processor in two different laptops And you find out the performance Can be astonishingly different off of parts that are technically the same well the parts are the same But you you you're either going to enable them or or hinder their performance By how well a job you do cooling them because if things get too hot The the clock speed turns down and if they don't cool off enough Then the clock speed turns down some more and the clock speed turns down some more and then eventually you're looking at spending all day waiting for something to happen The processor does on its own as self-defense. Yeah. Yeah, the the processor. I mean, it's really amazing You know because that also allows things to happen like okay, you know, they will max out the threads You know, it also makes you there's there's a lot of really cool stuff in the way thermal management's going on right now with cpus especially some of the the really late The some of the stuff going on with the Ryzen processors where they're literally measuring temperatures, you know Taking thermals all over the chip and adjusting things on the fly to try to figure out how to Keep everything running you kind of balance out making everything run as fast as possible But yeah, literally what happens, you know, the processor gets to a certain temperature and it's like uh, oh No, no, no, no, no And then it you know Turns down the clock speed and that should drop the amount of heat being generated And then it'll try to turn it up and you know, it'll eventually You know, if you add more cooling then it'll be able to run maxed out at the highest possible, you know Uh cpus speed, but if you don't have enough cooling it slows down and we've been noticing this a lot Me and some of the guys at pc per and a couple other places where we're looking at devices and being like This is awesome. Oh my goodness. Uh, this is really bad for certain workloads. It's so quiet and it got real slow I mean, is it is it that these quiet cooling systems these fanless cooling systems? Just aren't capable of that or is it varied by implementation And it varies a lot by implementation. Um, you know, I will say flat out period physics, uh, you know Is a hard wall And when you get as you as things get thinner and thinner and thinner and you have less space inside the enclosure to work with Moving the heat off of the processor and getting it outside of the laptop gets harder and harder um, you know, we've also seen things like Uh, you know, I wouldn't be surprised for example in the case of this idea pad Like I wouldn't be surprised if they made some tweaks to it to make the fan louder Basically to make the fan run faster, which you hear is being louder But we'll also make it more effective. They're removing heat from the processor They change from generation to generation There's some crazy stuff that that del did with with the materials they used To sort of isolate the heat inside the laptop and make it move out But mostly it comes down to figuring out how to move more air like one of the biggest things You know a thousand years ago on desktops is they figured out like oh Smaller fans running faster move the same amount of air as larger fans moving slower but larger fans moving slower make a lot less noise and It's uh, it's something to look at I will also I will also point out that in terms of everyday computing You know, it's only a rare edge case where somebody has really done a piss poor job of matching the thermals to the processor Where you run into you've noticeable things Um, where it starts becoming really noticeable is if you are like rendering video doing a bunch of processing in photoshop Or doing some kind of crazy, uh, you know If you're a programmer and you're compiling giant amounts of code where you max out the processor and leave it there for a long time Most people are hot room. Don't do that It doesn't help I know it doesn't help. I'm just wondering how much of an effect that really has because I think I think that could be exaggerated Maybe I think it could be exaggerated a lot But you know, it also depends on a hot room near the equator or a hot room in cleveland yeah Arizona amazon or yeah cleveland toronto Moosehead moose jaw something like that. Yeah, all right Well, thank you. Thank you patrick and of course if you want to find that review, uh, where should they go? Tkthig.com tech thing You know who else is hot in fact They're on fire all the people who participate in our sub reddit You can submit stories and vote on others at daily tech news show reddit.com We're also on facebook facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show a sub the sub the sub is on fire Yeah Oh, let's do it anthony who's a licensed real estate agent He says for about five years in the state of vermont wrote in about our discussion on redfin direct That was in yesterday's show and some of our questions about how this could affect the real estate market going forward One of anthony's thoughts and thank you for the long thoughtful email anthony was I wonder how redfin is going to handle a lot of the legalities of real estate in my state You have to have a license to deal in real estate one of the prerequisite Prerequisite is that you can you need to sit under somebody for two years and complete eight transactions I wonder how redfin is going to handle that what I really wonder is how they're going to navigate the laws and nuances Of all 50 states every state is different They're going to need an army of lawyers to make this work nationwide Well, uh, the good news for redfin is they already they already do this they already sell houses They have agents you can actually get agents through redfin So I imagine they're covered for most of these concerns just under The the stuff the work that they had to do to have agents in various markets Uh, but it's a good question because they they do need uh to have a different Compliance, uh for different states and they are trying to to work in as many states as possible. So, uh, it's a very good question Anthony, thank you for that. Thank you anthony and also thanks to patrick norton for being with us on this wonderful friday Patrick where can people find all the great stuff you do? Well tech thing.com or avxl.com avxl is the podcast I host with robert harem We talk about audio and video and home theater and speakers and screens and stuff and of course tech thing is the podcast I host with uh shannon morse There has never been a better time to be a dts member because live with it. The first episode is out Sarah told us all about her three months living with the job of 65 t elite headphones or earbuds And it's in your patreon feed right now if you haven't noticed. I got it. Yeah It's good stuff and we're doing the vote right now We're probably going to wrap it up today on what the next product should be that's a little farther back I think back on may 7th in your patreon feed But if you're like, oh, wait, I don't get any of that. I'm not a patreon. 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It sounds like him Yeah well I will request that Turn slow and move a lot of air Ah, isn't that how slow turned ice cream? Yeah As a possible title physics is a hard wall another suggested title It's not the size. It's how well it cools Uh descriptive. Yeah, yeah the stop is on fire No Upsetting citizen sarah lane Oh, I was wondering where lent Peralta was uh, he had to put up a trampoline for his kids today Uh as and uh, he didn't want them to hurt themselves So then when the trampoline was going to be delivered was right at showtime. So He uh, he will not be back next week either because he's got a graduation But he will back in two weeks. Don't worry. He will be back He also had to set up a camera so he could take all those funny videos on the trampolos. Yeah Oh, and here's one Uh Slow turn uh, I like turn slow and move a lot of air. Yeah Done. I don't know. What do you guys think? I like it done cemented It's like walk softly and carry a big stick but for computers Walk softly and carry big sticks always good. Was it rose about teddy teddy teddy are I believe that's attributed to teddy Yeah Speak softly and carry a big stick teddy bears also attributed to him Here's tech live I also found that when I was looking around for Show off Why is that a show off? I don't know Wait, we have uber stock prices. Here's tech live If tech live is around today It would have had a great day talking about uber Sorry I'm history nerding out. I found the exact quote. I found a photocop Theodore Roosevelt in a letter to henry l sprague on january 26 1900 wrote to speak softly and carry a big stick He will go far. I've always been fine. Why did I know to know it as walk? Probably just because of the stick. I got moved in my mind Talk softly carry big stick. What if you talk loudly and carry a bigger stick? Does that get you not as far walks? He also interprets it as a west african proverb, but there doesn't seem to be any corroboration for that Uh, I don't know at some point you go straight to machiavellian conservation of violence roger, which I Gdi, what would you consider gdi? Uh, uh, the sub is uh, no shredded nest What did we talk about? Let's look more quickly Uh, see goodbye reporting promo contentious discussion around california sports teams skin lotion brands It puts the lotion on its skin Urban dictionary has has a note that many people get it wrong and say walked softly So maybe i'm not alone. You've probably heard other people saying that that's why and I don't even know what it means Speak softly and carry a big stick means you don't have to yell at people to threaten them But you know show that you've got you've got the means to punish them if they get out of the idea But at this whole time I was always like you're walking like gingerly. Yeah, right It's actually more threatening because speak softly would be like I've got a big stick in my hand and I go Now sarah, don't you want to change your mind about that? I was I was I wouldn't say anything. I'd just walk up to you quietly. Well, it's like a ninja, you know American ninjas, uh, what about goes on smoothly comes off greasy for gdi's title. Yeah, the lotion good Very descriptive. Yes almost this group It's an adam west title. Well, there you have it. There you have it. I can't say no to that Can't say no to adam west either because he's not around to say yes or no Oh We can now keep it down up there of our patreon page We could make it look like dts now Thanks. Oh cool Creator brand color You can also hide the patreon count, but I think it that's not something we want to do fuchsia Fuchsia is a color very good roger Nice pick that color then is fuchsia also a flower or just a color As if is a fuchsia it sounds like a flower It does sound like a flower seems like something I could google but I just want to pull the group first Um everyone type Yes, oh, there's a fuchsia plant Okay, you are correct. Yeah shrubs and small trees Perhaps if it's a small enough Yeah, it's a plant that flowers so the first fuchsia Flower Vivid purplish red they're very pretty they were very pretty. I like them. Oh, yeah, I love fuchsia flowers They've got a interesting shape I don't know what I don't know. I can't compare they look like they look like droopy Drooping they kind of look like funny animals I've said Yeah No such thing no such thing Whatever merely uh, merely a tall roger merely a tall tail to frighten away tourists So you would have us believe So you think I'm very excited that uh, steven schleicher over at the major spoilers podcast Is a big fan of the atomic robo comic which I am also a fan of Uh, and not only that but he says it is the best series you will ever read Whoa, yeah ever Atomic robo folks check it out If you like hellboy, but you'll want robots go get yourself some atomic robo. Well, there's there was a robot He died But I mean atomic robo is the main character of atomic robo I started rereading the Eternals this week just for kicks Just to uh, just to To refresh your memory on yeah, and what happens like that's where we're headed in the mcu Also, I've never read the original Eternals. I read the Neil Gaiman one So I'm actually going to go back and read the the jack Kirby. Yeah, you know It's it's it's interesting because you see a lot of parallels of what he did At marvel and then he tried to replicate at dc just because Man, I wanted to do that and you took it away from me You mean Kirby? Yeah, or Gaiman No, Kirby. Yeah, okay the next mercy Gaiman was Gaiman was part of the uh The wave of british writers who revived dc But we're talking about Gaiman's marvel thing the Eternals 1976 curbies marvel thing The Gaiman one I think is my best That's the one I this one I've read before and I feel like that's going to tie in More that feels like the current mcu to me. I feel like they'll use that as a template more than the Kirby original man How do you feel having your first live with it under your belt, sarah feeling good feeling good. It was really fun Uh, it a lot of really good information by the way. Thanks. Yeah, it was uh I mean at times I was like, I'm going a little overboard, but It was fun to be really Like meticulous about every little time something bugged me or something where I was like, I'm surprised and delighted Have you used them since we recorded? Yeah, yeah different when you're like, oh, I don't have to log my experience now I did think about that this morning. I well because Otis and I went on a jog and um as I put them in You know and it said connected. I was like, yeah, and that's exactly what I said Just like I said it's still working. Just like I said, uh, yeah, but um I I'm like I said in in well, you should listen to it But yeah, the short answer is it was it was a lot of fun and I'm looking forward to the next The next experiment even if it means you guys are gonna make me switch to android So why don't we uh, why don't we give the weekend for the vote? Okay? Yeah, that's a good idea. We'll announce on good day internet on monday. We'll announce the what the next one will be Um, we do have 234 people voted, but there's lots more of you could vote Yeah, and right now the leader is the pixel 3a Number two is smart light bulb, which somebody actually asked in the comments and I I answered yes, this would mean more than one No, we would not give give sarah Yeah, how's that lamp in your living room? Yeah, I'm not one lamp work Uh, we gave her like a starter set kind of thing. Yeah, and then in third place is a home camera like a drop camp like a best yeah I uh, well, I don't want to influence the results. So you all just just uh vote with your hearts And uh pixel 3a is leading smart light bulbs are kind of neck and neck. They're they're close Keep in mind. I've got a lot of um I've got a lot of places in in my house for smart light bulbs in fact one Something weird about my apartment is There are way too many power outlets like I have like six of them in my bathroom not even kidding That's weird, but I'm not complaining. It's totally weird. I'm like I plug in a hairdryer like once they're all, you know Proper interrupts. Yes. Who knows? It's makes no sense. I didn't even ask my landlord. I probably should have and also an abundance of overhead lights uh that are like Extremely bright and you know, they're all on dimmers. So whatever, but I'm like, why are there so many of them in every room It's like you guys just did not skimp on the outlets and the recessed light Was this part of a development or is it somebody's remodeled? This is like a super old You know a frame house and I'm kind of up on the second level of a duplex So it's it it's remodeled But I mean, it sounds a lot strange things about it that I'm just like why though Why some people like a lot of light I gotta say like my biggest threat when we rewired this house is I should have put twice as many outlets in the house Uh, yeah. Well, you know, what's funny is that there are places In certain rooms where I'm like and there's no outlet on this entire wall, but there's seven on the Yeah, I mean, it's just what they could do. I'm sure they were like well, you could put another outlet in here in the bathroom Might as well Once it kind of hurt anybody, but I'm like it's somewhat strange looking. Yeah Well, when you're cooking in the bathroom, well, it's also when you're dealing with an older home There's just You have to deal with a bunch of considerations if you want to do some minor work Yeah, to put new outlets in or do you want to do a lot of work and most people? Uh Readmaster points out that just a minor glitch has subscribed to twitch Uh dot tv slash good day internet Which we're not prepared to thank people for at this point because it's still a test But thank you just minor glitch And thank you beatmaster for going to our irc to tell us that just a minor glitch And uh, yeah, that's awesome. I I was like, all right. I should be having that chat room open. Shouldn't I? How's the test going roger? Uh, it's going well. I will I will know if it's super successful when it's done yeah so If you want to know what's up with the twitch stream Uh, I think june 1st is what we're targeting. We'll we'll we'll talk it out amongst ourselves and get a you know official thing after today, uh, but next week we'll announce the plan and Whatever date that is we'll give you a couple weeks notice And move over the live streaming, which I know is just a couple hundred folks Um To twitch.tv slash good day internet youtube video will remain on youtube We'll upload it. That's actually what roger's testing today is the recording of the video so he can upload it Uh to youtube afterwards so Say thank you. Thank you thrumwald first for the bits Bits the bites bits of the bites Uh, thrumwald is now the number one in the chat room on twitch. This is a whole new world in here for us A whole new world Go buy your ticket for laden now. I've got it in the movie draft I I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if Uh, I do buy it Uh, I'm not gonna win. I'm gonna lose to ham trucker gosh darn it gosh darn it all Uh, anthra mic still doesn't understand why the live video is moving Uh, there are a whole lot of more things we can do on twitch And it is also a system that is easier to control on our side There's a lot of technical stuff that we have more control over hangouts on air was always fun because Uh, we didn't have to do anything, right? It just happens But also that means if hangouts on air has a glitch There's nothing we can do. It's it's all in their control And as google has got a reputation for killing things and hangouts on air has behaved in odd ways Recently we felt like we just needed to have a little more control over stuff Now we could have that control and stream to twitch But that means a lot of back-end work and when we started to look at like well, if we're gonna have to do this back-end work Anyway, uh, what does twitch provide? What does youtube provide? and and twitch just provides A lot more things for us On this side that we can we can do in there. So Hope that helps you understand and You need anyway, um c pot says that the twitch audio is not in sync with the video. We'll check that That might be on your end We've been tweaking at the entire show. So yeah, okay Yeah, it's a it's a known issue that Roger and I are trying to work through Okay, that's why we do the tests exactly Thank you. Amos and ladies and gentlemen amos Amos All right, uh, we're going to end the video test now. Thanks everybody for watching and audio folks around there's more to come