 You have studied in Delhi College of Parks, which is located in Netaji Nagar. Yes, sir. I have studied there for how many years? Sir, from 2016 to 2019. 19? Yes, sir. So that was day classes? Yes. You have seen the campus? Yes. Then what is the hang around campus? I couldn't get you. Sir, by hang around I mean I was mostly in Netaji Nagar, sir. Okay. I have not fully discovered new Moti Bagh, sir. Okay, okay. But have you gone once or twice inside? Yes. That's what I am asking. If you have gone inside, how does it look like? Do you find anything new, which is not available in any Delhi place? Yes, sir. I saw two or three major things. Firstly, is the food outlets, which are very well there. You can find good South Indian food there. Where? Sir, it's a shop. Sir, I don't remember. Okay, okay. Yes. Secondly, there are also government quarters located. Okay. And sir, it's like that. Government quarter? Which government? Sir, I cannot show you the answer. Okay. You have filled up your form, no? This form? Yes. How many services are there in this? Sir, 21, sir. 21. And how many plus B and how many plus 1 services? Group A and Group B. I am sorry, sir. I can't show it. No idea. It's okay. You know, we have parliament in the central government. Yes, sir. And then we have government, central government. Do we have this parallel at the lowest level of governance? Same type of arrangement? Sir, at the lowest level, we have the local self-government, sir. Those are the panchayati bodies and the urban local bodies. Can you equate these two institutions with the institutions at the ground level? Yes, sir. So, in these two situations, which are at the central level, that is the parliament and the central government, parliament is the law-making body of the country, sir. Whereas the central government is the executive located at the center. Whereas, at ground level, we have the panchayats for the villages at the Nagar panchayat level, as well as Zilla Barisha to overlook these. So, these are executive mostly. And we have parallelly the urban local bodies, sir. See, parliament, we can equate to Gram Sabha. Okay, sir. Okay? Yes, sir. It may not be exactly, but they are representatives of the people there and they are people themselves. They can raise their concerns and all. Yes, sir. And in Gram Sabha. Yes, sir. Okay? And government there, you can equate with the panchayats. Okay, sir. Okay? Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. Because they are not law-making body, but they can raise their concerns at the Gram Sabha level. Yes. Whereas, parliament, they raise the concerns of the public being representatives of the public. Yes. Okay. Have you heard of Forest Conservation Act? Yes, sir. I have heard of it. Okay. What is the objective and how it functions? Yes, sir. The Forest Conservation Act is about allowing for the use of forest land. That is, that is under the authority, sir. So, if the land is to be diverted, sir. Diverted for what? For development purposes, sir. Yes, sir. So, the act regulates that, sir. There is a forest land, degraded one, and we want to a-forest it. Plantations want to raise. Yes, sir. Is it diverse? No, sir. That is also under the act, but, sir, a-forestation is allowed within regulations. So, that means to say, diversion of forest land for non-forestry purposes. Yes, sir. Okay. Okay. Delhi, we have a commissioner's post. Yes, sir. That is under whom? Is it Delhi government? No, sir. It's under the Home Ministry, sir, central government. It's under the Home Ministry. Yes, sir. And it is, is it a cadre post? Cadre post means it is coming under which cadre? Sir, I am not sure about that. You have filled the Agmoot cadre as one of the choices? Yes, sir. Sir, I can guess it is Agmoot cadre, but I do not know whether it functions independently or not. It is Agmoot cadre. Absolutely. So, what I am asking is whether government can appoint anybody else there, not belonging to Agmoot cadre? Sir, I am not sure about this. What are the discretionary powers? We say generally, this is discretionary power. What does it mean? Yes, sir. Discretionary power would mean that within the prescribed power for that authority, there is a scope for discretion which the individual can exercise within those power. So, it depends on, it is called as discretion then, sir. So, in the government, whether these discretionary powers should be allowed or should not be allowed? Sir, discretionary power are allowed, sir. These are also indirectly mentioned in the constitution itself, sir, for the post of governor. Sir, these are allowed and given so that if there is a crisis, let us say in the government, if the assembly falls, then government, governor can exercise his discretion to appoint a government, sir. So, sir, I believe, I think that these should be allowed, sir. What are the discretionary powers for an officer? Sir, discretionary power for an officer could be when he is posted within our services, within a place, he can exercise certain rules and regulations, sir. There are delegated legislations, sir, which the rules bureaucrats make, sir. Those, in a sense, are discretionary as the individual can exercise those rules. What I am asking is whether discretionary powers should be encouraged or should not be encouraged? Sir, these should be, they should be a balance, sir. I think, sir, balance so that these should not cross the given limits, sir. The constitutional morality and the rule of law should be upheld and within the scope of these discretionary powers should be allowed. Okay. Elections in Rajya Sabha. How Rajya Sabha members are elected? Yes, sir. So, sir, we follow a system where Rajya Sabha members are elected from the State Legislative Assembly, sir. So, these are elected in a proportional representation system with single transferable votes. Single transferable votes, sir. Very good. In the very first attempt, you have made it. Yes, sir. That is remarkable. I wish you well. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Make it through, finally, also. Okay. You are from Madhya Pradesh. Yes, sir. You see, for the first time, there was something called Jalsatyagraha. What exactly is that Jalsatyagraha, where in Madhya Pradesh it took place? I am sorry, sir. I am not. You have no clue at all? No. Jalsatyagraha? No, sir. Meda Patkar. Does it give you any clue? I have heard of Meda Patkar. Yes. You have heard Meda Patkar, but not Jalsatyagraha. Any issues on Narmada thing? Now, can you make out? Sir, I can recall the Narmada Bachao Andolan, sir. Yes, sir. So, it was for the conservation of the land around Narmada for water demands and for the rehabilitation of the tribal people and the religious. But what do you think? What sort of Satyagraha it must have been when it is called Jalsatyagraha? Yes, sir. What sort of Satyagraha it must have been? Yes, sir. It might have been a protest by the activist as well as the village people against the government plan. No, no. Satyagraha normally people take fast on to death or things like that. Yes, sir. Here what would have been possibly done? You have any idea? Jalsatyagraha, they stood in water for 15 days. I thought you would have known. Now, how is the growth of an economy measured? Economic growth of a country measured? It is measured, sir. It is measured in GDP growth rates. Very good. Defined GDP? Sir, GDP is the total amount of goods and services produced in a country in a given year. In a country doing here. Very good. Have you seen today's paper? Yes, sir. I have seen. Okay. Any idea about the IMF forecast for growth? I skipped that, sir. I am sorry. Okay. Have you seen the economic survey of the country? No, sir. No, I haven't seen it. Do you have any idea about economic survey? What is the purpose of economic survey? Why is it brought out every year religiously? Yes, sir. Sir, economic survey is brought to forecast the future growth as well as to tell about the growth which has happened in the previous year so that the government has the idea to bring about reforms in the budget subsequently. Very good. But this year seeing you had no time or chance to see. You don't recall anything of that? No, sir. I am sorry. I will have to read into that, sir. Okay. What is the population pyramid? You know, we talk about, you have any idea about population pyramid? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. What is it? Can you draw? Take a minute and draw. Yes, sir. Do you know? Can you draw? Yes, sir. I can draw. Just one minute. I will define the two axes. Sir. I have drawn two. But why have you drawn the inverter thing? Okay. Sir. But what is the first one? This is not done. Yes, sir. I think the old age population is more. It represents the Japan's population pyramid, sir. What do you refer to as demographic dividend? What is the demographic dividend? Sir, demographic dividend is when the working age population of a country is maximum. What is the working age? What is the definition? Sir, it includes age from 18 to 65. 18 to 65? Yes, sir. Ah, it is a new definition. Okay. What hobbies do you have? Do you have any hobbies? I did not see. Yes, sir. Reading books are great. So, what is the latest? Which book have you read lately? Sir, I have read the Tiananmen Square by the X Foreign Secretary of India, Sri Vijay Gokhale. Good. So, what did you find in that interesting? Yes, sir. Sir, the book is about the Tiananmen Square protest which happened in 1989 in China, sir. So, it goes on to explain as to why that protest happened and as to why China currently does not want the world to know about the protest in recent times. Was he a witness to the whole thing? Yes, sir. Because he was posted there then. Yes. As our ambassador, Gokhale. Very good. Okay, who is the governor of Madhya Pradesh? Sir, Sri Anandi Ben Patel. Thank you. Who like watching foreign films? Yes, sir. So, we do like watching foreign films? Yes, sir. I have recently watched the Iranian movie A Separation by Asgur Faradis. Sir, it basically reflects about the middle-life crisis in Iranian families. Sir, it goes on to explain as to how women when they have issues relates to morality or male-centric. So, sir, they refer to the state religious guidelines when they are planning to do one thing. Secondly, sir, they also reflect as to how women work within their household as to how they are supposed to be outside their household. And which other countries? Where do you watch? Sir, I watch it on. I basically download it from Torrent or Netflix or Amazon Prime. Is Torrent legal in India? Sir, the status is not clear. It is prohibited to download from Torrent. But then you can find those videos in groups where the videos are legally downloaded and shared. So, there are groups on Telegram where you can find these. Which laws cover all this? Downloading and sharing of data? Illegal sharing of data? Sir, I can only guess. I am not sure. Sir, it could be IT Act. Can you recommend me some non-fiction books? Yeah, about Habit of Reading Books. Yes, sir. Sir, in non-fiction, I would start with the recent book, the Tiananmen Square, which I have read. It is a good book. Yes, sir. I can also recommend Pakistan Under Siege by Madhya Afzal Sir. It is a book released in 2018 about Pakistani society, how it functions. And I can also recommend you a book called The Third Reich. So, these are all international relations books. Anything apart from this genre? Sir, I can only recall these books right now. Is it beneficial for India to join Quad? Yes, sir. There are reasons why India is going on to join Quad, sir. It is because India wants to firstly balance China within Indo-Pacific, its main interest. Secondly, Quad is also about infrastructure development. Sir, the Blue Dot Network, the CDRI which India proposed, and the Partnership for Quality Infrastructure with Japan leads. It can all function under Quad and can lead to infrastructure development in Southeast Asia, sir. Sir, also there is interest of trade because apparently 70% of the oil of the trade happens through Malacca dilemma, which falls within the larger Indo-Pacific. So, I think it would be beneficial for India, sir. Is it a military grouping or a general group? Sir, as of now, the current status, it is a general grouping, sir. Has it been official yet? Yes, sir, because the official document which the four countries proposed recently... China is also trying to make a Quad, whatever, some sort of a structure of Quad. I am sorry, sir, I cannot think of any such... What recently happened in Britsuram and Assam? Have you tracked it? Yes, sir. I just glanced through the paper just now. So, there was this dispute. Sir, the dispute is about a 165-kilometer border with both states shared, and this is apparently a colonial history, sir. Sir, Assam says that in 1993, the border was demarcated, whereas Mizoram goes on to say that no, in the 1875 border which divides Lushai Hill, that is Mizoram, and the Chacha District of Assam, that should be the official one. So, there is no consensus between both states. Can you compare between the foreign cinema style and Indian cinema style? Yes, sir. Sir, the reason why I like Indian cinema is because the music is very great, sir. So, the main contrast which I have noticed is the music. The foreign cinema basically is more about story, more about character development, which is also there in Indian cinema, but Indian cinema goes on to glorify music as the core of the movies, sir. So, this... Is that true? Yes, sir. This is my understanding of the cinema, sir. What qualities do you have to become a good civil servant? Sir, firstly, it has to be why I want to become a civil servant, as to why I want to become one. Secondly, when I have thought that, okay, I have to go for civil service, then I should be... There should be a leadership quality within me. Thirdly, I should be empathetic towards the vulnerable section. So, these are some qualities. Why are civil services? Are they needed to explain why civil service? Yes, sir. Sir, because before you are to venture into a career that goes on for 35, 40 years, you should know why you want to join civil service. So, sir, the reason why I want to join civil service is because I've always wanted to become a person where I can be beneficial for the people at the ground level as well as I can deal with the people at the top level, sir. So, sir, this is my reason for joining civil service. Really, in what sense? You just said dealing with people at the ground level. Yes, sir. To be helpful for the people at the ground level, to work for their welfare, as well as to deal at the top level, I mean at the international level, at the national level, sir. Does Indian laws provide for full freedom of expression? Sir, it provides under reasonable restrictions, sir, which are mentioned under Article 19 of the Indian Constitution, sir. Are the reasonable restrictions well-defined? Yes, sir. So, reasonable restrictions means the freedom of speech and expression should be allowed as to not hinder the public morality, the law and order, the decency, and so on, sir. What does tomorrow land? Sir, tomorrow land is an electronic dance music festival held in Belgium every year, where people from more than 100 countries come together and join the... Have you seen the movie Tomorrowland? No, sir, I have not seen the movie. The parliament is under the government. It's not functioning. You're aware of this, right? This is protest by opposition and it's constantly disrupted. Yes, sir. Are you aware of this? I'm sorry, sir, I'm not aware of this. Okay. You have political... We've talked about a lot of political thinkers. We've talked about Blackover, it's sort of Hobbes, Locke. These are all old thinkers, right? Can you tell me about some contemporary political thinkers and their ideas? Yes, sir. Sir, I can think of Norm Chomsky. Norm Chomsky is a US-based political thinker. He talks about a need for development of social democracy, where democracy as well as the needs for the welfare state are fulfilled. Sir, I can think of Joseph Stiglitz, sir. He writes a book about globalization as to how globalization... He's an economist, right? Yes, sir. But he's also... Political thinkers. And political thinkers. Yes, sir. I can think about Joseph Stiglitz, sir. What is the future of democracy? Sir, the future of democracy... Sir, I am not an idealist here. I'd say that democracy survives to be the best, because it guarantees freedom of speech and expression, liberty and dignity of individuals. Is democracy under threat from surveillance and AI? Sir, these can be predicted to be a threat, which can hamper the overall aspect of democracy, sir. Okay. What are some of the parliamentary bills in parliament this time in this session? I'm sorry, sir. I'll have to read from those. You have sprinting as a hobby, as a scholarship prize. Yes, sir. You've done sprinting. Yes, sir. Who are the probable winners for sprinting in the Olympics this time? Sir, I'll be... This might be a little biased, sir, but Andretti Grasse, a Canadian sprinter this time. Okay. He won the 2016 Silver one into 200 meters. Okay. And also he won a bronze into 400 meter relay. How was India's performance in track and field events? Sir, track and field events. This time we have Dati Chan, Sri Dati Chan running for 100 meter and 200 meter women sprinting. But overall, we do not have any men sprinter in 100 meter and 200 meter. Why do we perform badly in track and field events? I'm sorry, sir. Why do we perform? Why do we not have Olympic medals much in this event? Yes, sir. To quote the words by Dati Chan, I read an article where she spoke about the future of sprinting and why India has not won so many medals. So she says that apparently at the national level sprinting in 100 meter and 200 meter is not very much focused. The focus is more on 4 into 400 meter. So there are training and infrastructure issues as well, sir. These are some reasons, sir. You have debating as one of your hobby. Yes, sir. I want you to speak for 30 seconds in favor of the parliamentary with support for this project. Yes. 30 seconds against that. All right, sir. Sir, can I take our 10 seconds? Sir, shall I start? Yes, sir. In favor. Sir, this side of the house believed that central vista program is necessary. It is necessary because it is apparently the need of the R. The central government is paying approximately 1,000 crore in the rent. Secondly, there will be efficiency and coordination within ministries as it houses all the ministry in a single compartment. Thirdly, it also deals with the new structure, the infrastructure it is bringing, because the current infrastructure is not very disaster-prone or nuclear-prone. So this infrastructure deals with that. The reason why central vista shouldn't be there and I now argue in opposition of that is because a lot of money is going to get into that. And secondly, as of now, the COVID-19 pandemic has increased the need for health investment. So the money can be right now used for that and then we can go on to invest in these structures. Okay, thank you. Good. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Good. Okay, your interview is over.