 Hello everyone and welcome to the weekly bro's podcast with me as always is these stubs to my Bernard My brother from our only mom other rd. What the hell is going on buddy quarantine treatment. Well, yeah, it's going great up here How are you doing? Yeah, you know, we're we're living the dream experiencing some Hurricane like weather down here in the greater New Orleans area these past few days. It's been it's been interesting Yeah, we had no less than three tornado warnings yesterday. Ah, well in a span of like an hour Those will wake you up. Yeah, especially they make you pay attention to what's going on outside Yeah, especially if you got your iPhone right next to your ear when that emergency alarm goes off At least it wasn't a fake missile incoming missile crisis like they didn't know why oh my gosh I can't believe I just forgot about that until you mentioned it. I can't believe that happened You know call me crazy, but I think somebody may have gotten fired over that. I You would think so. Yeah, that would probably be the right assumption. Yeah Yeah, I can see you're using one of the magical glasses. Yeah, blah blah blah. It's the one with the deformed Oh, it's the melted one you son of a bitch Remember never to come another and visit and you may be minus a glass so so Westworld's done the season's over Yes, we're fine. Yeah, I'm gonna talk about all of Westworld because we didn't talk about it for forever That's so yes well season three is over, you know, I'm glad that we didn't though because my perspective on the whole thing has changed so often that I think that I would have been I Think it would have been very Influenced of my opinions had I not watched the entire season. So I'm glad that we're doing it now Cool. Give you some quick thoughts about the whole season. I thought it was I Didn't think it was as good as the previous two seasons I thought the story lines in the first two seasons were obviously better But that's not to say I didn't not like this season because I enjoyed it a lot So I you know, I liked it In regards to you know, what was going on in the story like I thought the The storyline seemed very convoluted a front like I think that's a that's what they tried to do They try to confuse the shed of people at the beginning of the season and they you know Gradually stringing along and they reveal some stuff, but I really felt like this storyline was just kind of I Don't know it wasn't very straightforward. Yeah You know, I got you and I guess Dolores's true intentions weren't revealed to like the very very very very very very end So, you know, I guess that's part of it. I mean, I guess if I had known that earlier Maybe I would have thought a little differently about what she was trying to accomplish. Yeah No, and it's hard to tell like is she the good guy or the bad guy, you know What the fuck's up with Bernard to see the good guy or the bad guy? What's up with the man in black? Well, I mean William Delos is he the good guy or the bad guy? What is going on? I mean Charlotte Hale. She's a good guy. You feel sorry for now. She's a complete bitch. Like what are you doing with her? right, I mean, I feel like the the characters had Some I don't know they just had Ambiguous motives. Yeah. Yeah So it just made it hard to watch as a viewer But I mean overall I enjoyed the season and I can't wait till season four comes out when you know in 15 years Yeah, right I'm thinking 20 22 with a very very earliest. Well Yeah, I wouldn't assume they wouldn't even start shooting anything until next year Yeah, you know and then it wouldn't come out to the following year So you're probably right 2022 and it's it was two years between the last two seasons. So That's right. I forgot because this is another show that I I hopped on Just recently. I made you watch it all before the season started. Yeah, well, okay You all right, let's let's clarify that you made me watch it in the sense of you kept recommending it to me And I finally did and I really enjoyed it So like I didn't sit through the entire first two seasons going up. God damn it. Rick's making me watch this shit It was it was it was like you watching loss like I would just had to keep on encouraging you should watch this Yeah, you should watch this you should watch this Well, the other problem with losses is that there's 22 episodes and there's did you enjoy the this season? Would you yeah, yeah, totally so So again, I agree with you that the first two seasons were We're better than season three. That's not to say season three wasn't good because I really really did enjoy it Aaron Paul I thought was a really cool addition to the cast my The thing I really liked about it was that there in my opinion every single character for the most part had a Definitive arc you had a beginning you had a middle and an end, you know Everybody had their own separate journey. Everyone coalesces at the end, which is, you know, how some of the best stories are told so, you know you But some of the things early on in the season really confused me like for instance the the the the many Dolores theory, you know, like Okay, what who what were the what were the pearls that she took? Oh, it turns out that she took all of herself and Bernard So at the end You know when When Hale, you know starts going rogue off of her Dolores programming, you know It it confuses me like alright, is she still Dolores or is she Hale is she a hybrid like? What is it and that's in at the end of the season, you know I was upset about that, you know at the beginning of the season, but at the end of the season now that I'm seeing that like, you know They're pretty much again in my opinion Setting Hale up to be the big bad of season four Right, it all makes sense like I said, you know like had I given my opinions on this show Before the end of the season. Yeah, I would have been I My opinions would have been jaded but now that I have the whole picture in front of me It's it's it's a lot more clear and I think that Those journeys in the next season are going to just improve upon the journeys that they used or that they had in in season three so That being said the other Big thing about this season was that it's all about choice choosing I Don't know if this came across the same way to you, but like you have Dolores selecting Caleb for his ability to choose sure you have Dolores's ability to choose piggybacking off of season two in the conversation that she had with Why am I blanking on his name Anthony Hopkins? Ford Ford. Thank you. Jesus. Yeah You know encouraging her to like, you know, you can be something more you can choose You can choose this narrative or you can choose to create your own narrative Then you have Hale and her ability to choose between, you know protecting Hale's family who's technically not her family But is it? And then choosing to go off of her Dolores programming Yeah, and then you have Bernard's ability to choose to get closure with, you know Arnold's son and Arnold's ex-wife and You juxtapose that with Sirach's ability Or not ability I should say Sirach's choice To not choose because in the final episode that we find out that he's just been kind of you know a puppet of Rehobion You know just kind of you know waiting for Rehobion to tell him what to do next, you know what I mean? Yes, so it's a very complex tapestry and It works really really well So like the big question coming out of season two was who did Dolores take? Right. Yeah, those pearls those pearls she had then she had five of them and Come to find out One was Bernard and the rest of them were just copies of herself. Yes, correct, right? So I was trying to do it because I can't remember in season two. I Thought Charlotte Hale died in Westworld. I Thought she did too. So that Hale right there that killed the real Hale. Yeah, really Dolores. Yes, correct So when Delort, so that's the real Dolores and she comes back Mm-hmm with the pearls There was an interview with the John to know what I didn't read it, but he talked about this So Hale brings the pearls back, right? Mm-hmm And then they create Bernard first. Mm-hmm, then you have Dolores Hale. You have a Dolores Hale And yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, you know they caught what was the name for it Dolores or something like that So it just confused me like I'm looking at Charlotte Hale I was at the real Dolores or was that a copy of Dolores in Charlotte Hale's body You know I'm saying yeah Well, I think I think that it's the one that's the one I wasn't I thought like the whole Dolores reveal being copies It's pretty cool. Don't but now that I'm thinking about it like I mean not now, but I was thinking about it like who was that Hale At the very beginning of the season was that just Dolores or at the copy at Dolores, you know I'm saying yeah Yeah, I like that was one of the biggest, you know Confounding points or confusing points one of the most confusing points of the whole thing was because you know you don't You don't know what's what's happening with that with Hale because When you see it at the beginning of the season, all right, you think it's just Hale Then you find out that all of the all the pearls are of Dolores, but When you put a pearl into someone like that is that host does that host have the ability to Change her narrative, you know what I mean? No Narrative like I mean all the hosts have free will now, right? And that's the problem that Hale was having was that and she even mentioned in there I think two episodes or the one was for sure when she was like cutting herself and like she could she she was actually saying like I can feel myself changing You know, that's right. She was calling Dolores and you know, you know saying she doesn't feel right and yeah You know, she has to keep her mind of that. That's not her real family So she's like falling in its madness. Well of like, I'm not who I'm supposed to be and I'm not this other person What is going on, right? So and that's how she and then once Sarat killed her family then she was like all out, you know, I got nothing left behind I don't care. She's like, you know, just loose loose strings as she says in the last episode to Dolores That's why she wants to kill Dolores as well But didn't Dolores kill Hills family? No, sir rocked sir rocked it Okay Sir rock because didn't in the in the last episode when Dolores is having the the the contact visions of Hale, which is pretty funny because nobody else could see it like who you talking to myself But didn't doesn't Hale say, you know, what about Hale's family? Were they expendable to and then Dolores says they were it was a It was a distraction or is like a necessary, you know Killing or something like that which implied to me that she's the one that killed them No, no, sir. I was or is she just pissed at Dolores for leaving her behind. Yeah, I think she's pissed Okay, she's pissed Dolores for sure for making her go back in there to certain death. Yeah Yeah, that led to her family being killed. That's why she's pissed at Dolores. All right. All right Thank you for clarifying for that for me You're welcome But speaking of who was there a villain in the season like was there like a central like because everyone is It's like watching Ozark like I mean everyone's pretty much a piece of shit Pretty much they're all assholes Well, I think they try to make it out as Sorak being the bad guy, right? Yeah, I mean they because Sorak, you know In the in the last episode you find out that humanity is on this path to you know self destruction Yeah, and only the only thing that was holding it back was Sorak and his brother making Rahubam and That this it wasn't stopping anything. It was just yeah, it was bound to happen. It was gonna happen. Anyways Yeah, yeah, so all they're doing is speeding it up. Yeah But I guess I guess you kind of think as Sorak is the bad guy, but again, I don't Like I said before like I don't know who I don't know what to believe about any of these characters now Was she a good guy? She a bad guy? I don't know what's going on. Yeah You know to me, I think Sorak is the bad guy, but I don't Really look at him as a bad guy. I just feel like this is what he thought was right Yeah, well that that's what the best villains are I mean like you know they in the in the wrestling business all of the best heels Are the best heels because they do bad things, but they think that they are doing it for the right reasons Right no matter. Yeah, and I made a little charter because I was trying to figure out like who all the God all the damn hosts left in the in the real world are okay, so You know first of all you had Dolores and I'm just gonna say Dolores and then she had five pearls which was one was Bernard Yep, one was a seato. Yeah, what one is Hale? Yeah, one was Collins And then the last you find out the last one was Lawrence in the last episode. Yeah, so that's the five there So we know seato is dead Yeah, right We know Collins is dead And we know Dolores is dead Do we know Dolores is dead? I think that's what they're yes. I'm gonna say she's dead. Okay You can talk about that more later by myself right now. Yeah, I got you So she's dead too So really that leaves Lawrence is the only true Dolores copy still running around and the other one is Hale well true Dolores, yeah, but When I noticed it today was that Hale when she goes back into the building and She downloads all the information and she goes down to the to the wherever they're making the hosts It kills Hector's yeah pearl. Yep, but she takes Collins pearl the one that's blown up hmm, so is That the pearl that's inside of the man in black now, which is what I want to know Well, so my My understanding with that is is that the whole reason Sirach wanted to buy Delos was to get his hands on The forge With all of the identities of the humans that they copied right? He wants all the information from them tracking from Delos. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, precisely. I need the data from all their Clients, yeah, so what I can infer out of that is that Hale had access to the that information as well And so the man in black host at the very end could very well be The man in black Yeah, I just don't know no exactly that That Collins pearl still alive, which is a Dolores copy and Lawrence is still alive, which is a Dolores copy and You know, I can only assume That the one that the man in black is a Dolores copy only because I don't you don't see any other pearls meeting being created, right? Yes, but we do see Oh, you see hundreds of hosts being created. So it's unlikely that every single one of those would be Dolores Well, it would probably not be Dolores. Yeah, what I mean, I would do is Yeah, no I get it and then So that was the Dolores copies and then Maeve is also, you know, she's a host obviously yep She she's got she's got she's got Clementine and Hanaro still running around Hanaro killed Seito Yeah, I'm a Seito Clementine Confirmed him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so Clement or Hanaro killed Seito and then Clementine and her all rocked out with Seito's head. Oh, which Seito's head has a pearl in it. That is correct There's no, it's another pearl still in play it. It's a pearl in play PIP it's a pip and I guess, you know, Dolores is pearl. I guess it's still there. It's just deleted, right? Yeah, there's got it. Yes, okay. Yes, just on the surface on the surface. Yes, it's Bernard's still alive obviously and then Stubbs is unknown Yes, right? I mean we can yeah. Yep On the surface we don't know So there could be one, two, three, four, five Six, seven, eight There's eight hosts running around now that we know of so it's pretty cool. I mean, I don't know That's a it's I was I was trying to keep track of them as the as the season was progressing and it was just like wow This is a fucking Did you end up like the guy from it's always sunny in Philadelphia behind the the conspiracy man in the background? It's funny so the whole thing at the at the end when The man in black goes into the Delos International building in I think it was Dubai Yeah, I'm tail find out what she's doing the man in black reveal and Keep in mind. This is all post credits. This is this is the you know the post-coital amenities as it were and They seemingly we don't see him die But we seemingly see the man in black host Kill William Yeah, now cool moment. Don't get me wrong But kind of some weak sauce to kill off a main character in a post-credits scene Just to set something up in a further season. You're I mean like when I'm thinking of that guy's demise I'm thinking this huge Alamo like Standoff between him and you know 50 hosts like you know He's got two ganttling guns and shit like bring it on And you know he goes down in a blaze of glory. That's what I wanted to see Does he say I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick-ass see a little little little Roddy Piper out of they live Yeah, I mean you could you could get that That's what I'm thinking in my head and so when I say I'm like So my only conclusion to that is that there's no way William is dead. Oh I think he's dead. I Don't think that they would do it because he's been a mainstay in three seasons. He's a huge that that would be like Phil Coulson getting off in the in the post-credits scene of season five of Aden's of shield instead of like you know building up an entire season for it You know what I mean like there's an arc and there's a story that you can tell with that guy For him to meet his end I just don't believe that that is the way that that character should have gone out if it is You know, it is what it is. I'm like whatever. I can accept it, but I just I just think there's more to it Do you know what I mean? Am I making sense? No, I I know what you're saying, but you think his death was weak It deserved me, you know more grandiose, but yeah, he's obviously dead. I mean they kill it He I mean they sliced his throat and they stood there watching bleed out So I mean he obviously he's dead And I don't think just because he died in the post-credits scene isn't making a bad death like I Think it's even better It's it's I don't know it's a little too Leonardo DiCaprio in the departed. You know what I mean? like it's just it's just very sudden very yep, that happened and Fucking deal with it. You know what I mean? I Just Fuckers gone So I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I know what you're saying, but I just don't agree with you. So whatever We can't disagree without being disagreeable But here, you know, here is my My if I had to pick a gripe Because there's one thing I like to do it's grapes season three grapes. Yeah Here's my biggest gripe is that there was not enough Bernard Now I'm gonna I'm gonna admit to you season one season two Season one if I never saw the younger William character again, that would be too soon because I Hated that character now But the great thing about that since you know, we had so many people in the season Or so many characters to you know latch on to you know, I could you know, take that Donna and you know Put my chips in with somebody else, but with this season we're kind of whittled down to you know Seven main characters, you know what I mean? You got Bernardo. You got Maeve. You got Sorak you got Hale Kailorus Caleb Dolores Liam Anybody else? I don't know. That's right. That's the main ones. Yeah, and then in the whole entire and don't give me wrong The season is Dolores's story that Dolores and Maeve. It's it's their story to be told But truth be told they're not my favorite characters That's funny Bernard is my favorite character. So like so the fact that you know loving yourself some Bernard I like I like me some Bernard man. I can't help it, you know So the whole so the fact that the entire season was focused on those two Kind of run me the wrong way, but that being said it was still good Yeah, I mean, I think I would like to have seen some You know more storyline from Bernard, but I think his storyline was important Absolutely, obviously you can tell going forward. It's huge. So yeah But no into it. We're we're Where is he what better yet? When is he? Oh, well, obviously he's in the future, man And he's been sitting there for a long time a long time you think Stubbs is still in the bathtub. I Don't know This is like one of those those questions it it's like those cliffhanger endings It's not like we're that the cliff hanging question from this season wasn't where was Bernard is Stubbs in the bathtub Exactly, exactly. That's what people want to know man. Fuck this, you know, we don't know how long but our it's been in That sublime but Stubbs could be like hey, man I'm just gonna go ahead and Sit over here and just slowly die while you're you know just turned off school. Whatever Maybe he fucked up. Maybe he maybe he found a one of those little laser gun things He's seen a dentist's office that fixes all the hosts me No, I don't have a weird question, but you don't have any fake teeth. Do you? No, okay. All right, so my front teeth right here is fake and so Every time I see it in Westworld like you know the gun that they use to repair the hosts. Yeah, all right, so a Dentist uses a very similar thing To harden the material they use to make fake teeth out of yeah, it's the same. Yeah, it's like a little ultraviolet Yeah, exactly. So every time I see it I got bad flashbacks of my of my previous dental work So maybe he's got some dental work. Who knows, you know, he's fucking off on dental work. That's pretty funny I have no idea what the story goes from here now. Obviously it's got something to do with you know Hale in this her clone army versus Caleb Maeve and somewhere Bernard fits in there with some kind of key I guess to whatever I who know who the hell knows yeah Now I did read I did read somewhere that Westworld was renewed for season four. Yes, it was And I think even a season five What? What I don't know I Thought I read that someplace I could be wrong now trying to One one of the things that I Think that this season drew inspiration from was the movie fight club Because the movies like Bob you never heard of the movie fight club. I'm I've heard of the movie so so in fight club what two main themes in that movie were identity and the introduction of chaos and I think that Those themes from that movie really translated into Season three because I mean the identity of you know Dolores the identity of Hale the identity of of Bernard the man in black finding his true self and his true identity and the introduction of chaos being you know What will hope him is you know trying to stop taking out the outliers Yeah, and then Caleb and introducing the chaos article into the equation which you know creates the end of the world so in my mind this Season three is going from fight club to season four, which is going to be more like Terminator two or You know the the Mad Max combined with a with a Terminator style You know what I mean like a dystopian All the humans are banding together because the the the robots have taken over the robot apocalypse so to speak Right, and there's gonna be a big AI versus human Entanglement in the next season so that's my that's my hot take Cool yeah, man, I like it I like it so here's an article in Harper's Bazaar with The friend of the show Harper's been this bizarre. Yes friend of the show Fourth season was officially ordered. We know that for sure They hope to make one more season and possibly more I'm down for that The new season will have a different theme and a different feel Oh Dolores is really dead We saw Dolores Parish we saw all of her memories painfully erased I do think it's the right time to say goodbye to this Taurus But then they go to say but notice the key where there is this Westworld is known for bringing back beloved characters in different forms, so there's a significant chance We will see some version of Dolores again Just maybe not the gun-toting prairie dweller. We first met in season one Jon to Nolan added the character is gone. We love working with Evan But we're a long way out from talking publicly about what that fourth season looks like Oh It's unlikely any follow-up will come earlier than 18 and 20 months after season three's final episode We talked about that Oh the one thing. Oh the one thing about Westworld when a character dies chances are they aren't really dead Welcome to the world of marvelous cinematic universe So expect to see Dolores Maeve Bernard There's no official announcement who signed on of course. Yeah So they're tight lipped about any specific details regarding season four Of course, but we can make a few assumptions. We'll find out what Bernard discovered during his dusty trip to the sublime We'll learn Charlotte's plan for her massive host army We'll understand the fate of William who had his throat slipped by a copy of himself And we'll see if the new world may even Caleb embraced during the finale is as peaceful as Dolores hoped it would be There you got bad Yeah, I Liked it though, man. I was uh, I enjoyed this show and I was excited for it to come back I did not watch it. You know, it was first broadcast. I I caught up on you know Binging it, but uh, it's a great show. I love it. I mean, it's cool science fiction. He it's You know, of course the first two seasons of storylines are really really tight My mind fuck. Yeah, so this one was kind of weak sauce, but I mean it was good. I liked it a lot, so