 What'd you think after, I mean, I don't know what you're looking for in pre-season game one, what'd you think? Goods and bads, just like typical. I'm glad we won the game. Did not like the first drive, but there's something that actually comes good out of that and that, you know, when you play a team that you haven't practiced against and you really haven't done a lot of scattering important stuff, you don't know what you're going to see. You just got to kind of play your rules and stuff like that. Well, they hurt us with some runs early in that first drive. They average like over five yards a run. Okay, so the good thing was, which is this kind of happens during the season. Sometimes when people change up on you, we got to the sideline, made some adjustments. And if you kind of look, they average 3.1 from that point on, which that would be by far the best in the league. 3.7 was best in the league last year and we ended up at 3-6. But so I didn't like the first drive. Obviously, you don't want to give up touchdown, but we also learned something from that in that we made some adjustments and the guys went out and made the adjustments, which is kind of what you like. The good thing was, we got two turnovers, led to 10 points for our offense. The bad thing is, we had three penalties that led to 10 points for their offense. You know, we had a sack down there, we were going to make them kick a field goal and they go on, you know, we get a hand to the face and they end up scoring a touchdown. It's four points swing. So we got to eliminate those. A couple of mental errors, basically on second play of the game on second down. We made one, we just blew coverage. So we just got to eliminate those things. So that was good, but the other point too was, and third down was not good. We just, we couldn't get off the field. They had 16 third downs and 13 of them were third and six or more, which means you're doing pretty good on first and second down, but you can't have them convert 50% of those. I mean, that should be in our favor and it wasn't. So we didn't do well in coverage sometimes on third down. But the other thing about it too was, I told you guys, I think I said something about Detroit, you know, Matt Campbell's teams are going to play physical. He was a physical player. He coaches physical, they're physical. I was concerned because you're really having a hit out of here. We did not have a lot of missed tackles. I think we had seven, maybe something like that, which that's pretty normed really during even during the year. I thought we stayed in there physically. I thought our guys hit, tried to hit, tried to play hard and that kind of stuff. So I felt good about that part. So that's kind of the goods and the bads of it. When it comes to Michael Walker, I see you guys talking on the sidelines quite a bit in practice. Where is he in terms of commanding this defense and kind of stepping into that leadership? Well, mentally, Michael Walker is top shelf. I mean, he really is smart, football smart, understands, communicates. I have no qualms whatsoever about him understanding this defense. Understanding the position sometimes is still a little bit of work in progress, but he's busting his butt and he's doing well. But communication-wise, that is never, Michael is a great communicator and knowing the defense. At what point maybe did you feel comfortable kind of giving him the reins of that communication? I was coming out of last year. I thought when we did walk-throughs over here, even with, even though he wasn't a starter, I felt like he communicated better than any of the starters did. When we did put him in, I thought he communicated well, was always on top of it, was into it. As soon as the season was over, as soon as we started getting prepared for this season, even before OTAs, we already had him marked down as a guy that called the huddle. Michael, can you explain to me from your perspective, from a defense formation perspective, the challenge of Kyle Pence, whether it's from the moment he walks in the field to the after this pre-snap and post-snap? What is it? I mean, is he a wide receiver? Is he a tight end? And the thing about it is now, I really noticed that he blocked him pretty well. And so all of a sudden, he used to be, okay, he's just a wide receiver. He may be in a tight end position, but he's actually blocking pretty well. And so it's a challenge. It's a real challenge. It's a pain. I mean, it's just when you get a guy like that who also can run by a DB. I mean, there's some tight ends that, there's a lot of them. Kelsey, there's a lot of guys in the league that are tough tight ends, always match-up tight ends. Gonzalez was one. All those guys, but most of the time, you don't worry about them running by a corner. This guy can run by a corner. So that's a real challenge. How much does that improve blocking, expand his capability out there? Just because now he's not just a token inline guy, he could actually... Right, you get to decide whether you want to play base and play with three linebackers in there or two linebackers and five DBs. What do you want to do? And if you go small and then they happen to go big, and they can run the ball on you and have some success, then if you go big, so it really is... it's hard on defenses. When did you notice that he has become a better blocker? I mean, obviously, I guess you would expect that. Was there a day or two out here? In camp, when we put the pads on, even though we weren't... you're not tackling, but you're still going hard and especially up front, and you could notice just a big difference, out here against us, so... I just think he's really improved in that area, which now makes it even harder on teams. I think it is... talking about guys taking the jump from year one to year two, I really like that I've seen him decline Graham and I feel very confident in saying that he is somebody who has made that jump. Would you agree with that? Based on this last game here with Detroit, he really showed up. He was very noticeable in making plays, so I'd say he's made a big jump. I know a big storyline is had guys go down across the defensive line over the course of camp and he's retiring. How much did Tokwan's development plan to feel good about where this group is, even from a depth standpoint? I think right now we are. It's just like anybody, though. You don't want to lose anybody right now because there is definitely a drop-off at some point in time on the line. But right now, if we can stay healthy, I feel good about these guys. I feel like there's some guys that can rotate in there and play different roles and somebody have to play, you know, 65, 70 snaps in a game, so I hope we can keep that going.