 the flow seems to go well. There were some studies done in the late 60s or early 70s where they would film families eating and they would all all of a sudden start moving almost in concert with each other. Somebody would move this way and somebody else would move and you could see this flow happening. I think that's what we're seeing in this is this flow happening between them because this interviewer, he looks like he's listening to him. He's squinted, he's forward, he's got his hand on his chin part of the time listening and he covers his mouth so letting him know he's not going to interrupt so he can keep speaking, which I think is a great tool for a lot of interviewers. So if you're interviewing people out there you might want to try that. But it seems to flow very well. So I think the guy's a pretty good interviewer and he's really committed to getting some information from this guy without poking too hard I think.