 Unique set of circumstances for all of us. Appreciate you guys taking the time to jump on this call here with us and trying to kind of talk to you a little bit about our preparation and what we've done to date to get ready for the draft this weekend. Super excited about all the work that's gone into it from our scouts, from our coaches navigating a different set of circumstances that none of us have really ever dealt with. But excited about the opportunity to build our football team with some players over the weekend, Coach Vrable and his staff have done a great job. Ryan Cowden, John Salgi, all of our scouts have done a great job with, whether it was in meetings or getting information on players, getting in contact with players. All that stuff has been really good for us and we feel good about where we're at. And excited to continue to build this football team and try to improve on what we were able to accomplish last year. With that. Yeah, John, Teresa Walker has a question for both of you all to start it off. Far away, Teresa, I think you're muted, so. Put me in second to unmute. For John, at this point, the reports of a draft run through this morning, did that take part and how did it work for your end? Yeah, so it's this afternoon. We're going to work through that as soon as we get off the call here. We've got IT here is at my house now. Just finalizing some phones and some computers. Making sure we have everything from a tech standpoint. And looking forward to going through that this afternoon with the league and the other 31 teams to make sure that we're all on the same page. Has there been any talk in prepping for the draft for contingency for if preseason games, regular season games get moved, games without fans at this point? Not to not to my knowledge, Teresa, you know, we're kind of at the at the mercy of the league there. They'll dictate and and, you know, kind of double that information. If if that if that is in fact the case when they see fit. And for Mike, hope you're doing well as well. I'm good. You might want to work on that backdrop for Thursday night. I'm just saying. What do we got? We got the grease board here. We're working football trees. So it's all white from here is all I'm saying. But for a more serious point, are you all able to get started with your offseason program virtually? Is that starting out? You had originally been scheduled to start today. Are you able to start that yet or what? Where's that in the process up? Yeah, we're anticipating that we'll be off and run on the 27th. We had two choices. Returning coaches had two choices of the 20th of the 27th could go three weeks. And so we thought instead of having a week off and starting on the 20th, we're just going to start on the 27th and kind of go straight through. And at that point in time, just would take it one day at a time. Try to focus on some positive learning and really get our guys brought back up to speed on the things that we've changed and the things that we're going to continue to remain consistent at. We got a question from Jim Wyatt for John. Hey, Jim. John, how you doing? I want to ask you about this year's draft and maybe how the strengths of it match up with the needs for your football team. Yeah. You know, I talked about it before a little bit at the combine, but have, you know, having been able to kind of dig through these position groups. We feel like there's players really across the board that there's depth at certain position groups. Some positions are a little more top heavy maybe than others, but I feel like we've got some players identified really that we think, I mean, you never know once the draft unfolds where guys are going to go. But we feel like there's guys in all the rounds that we can, you know, that we'll look to try to add to help the football team. And looking at the draft a little further. Is there any, what positions would you say the draft is maybe the deepest? Well, I think it's been widely talked about this, the receipt, the receiver group. You know, they're coming in all shapes and sizes. There's big physical receivers. There's smaller, faster guys. There's the crafty route runners. There's the guys with the ball that go with the ball in their hands. I think the whole line group's got some depth at it. I think the D line group has some depth at it. I think there's some runners. There's pretty good depth there. And there's some LinkedIn size in the secondary. John Glennon had a question for both John and Mike. Morning John. John, how are you? Good, man. Good, good, good. I know you just talked a little bit about the depth here, but I wonder how unusual is it to have such a strong crop of tackles this year? It seems like they're becoming increasingly rare. And does that possibly make it any more likely that you, that you go after one early this year because you don't know, you know, what next year's crop or future crops might look like at that position? Yeah, that's, I mean, that's a position group. There's, this is kind of a unique draft here where you've got several guys at that position that we feel can step in and help our football team and help a lot of football teams in the league. And those guys, those big guys, they're not walking around around Walmart or Target. They don't come around very often. So, you know, we'll see kind of how the draft unfolds and see where that position group, when we're on the clock, whether that, if there's a player there, how he stacks up to another player at a different position possibly, and then make a call on it. But you're right. It's kind of a, I don't know if it's a unique year for that position group, but it's certainly a year where there's really good depth with good players at it. I mean, Tuss, one more at you on the draft there, if I could. The cornerback class, wondering if you guys would like or look very closely at someone who could step in and play slot immediately. How much that factors into a possible cornerback guy with the chance that Logan Ryan doesn't come back. Yeah, I think, you know, I think we always talk about position versatility and the ability for guys to play a couple of different spots. And we feel like there's some players in that corner group that can play inside corner. And there's a lot that, you know, that, that Mike puts on those guys plate, which spent a lot of time with, with several guys in that position group, just seeing if they're going to be able to, to handle the mental component that's asked of that position group. And there's, there's certainly guys in, in that category that we think have versatility to play on the outside and play on the inside. And one for, for Mike also, please. Mike, with, with the trade of Jarrell, wondering how much of an urgency do you feel to add another, you know, high quality D lineman or, or on the other hand, I guess, do you think Simmons has filled that spot and that it's not a huge priority at that point. I got you, John. I don't know if Graves is frozen. Maybe he was stunned by the question. He was shocked and all. Do you want to go ahead and, and answer that, John, or yeah, I can, I can, I can speak to that, not to speak for, for Mike, but yeah, I mean, I think Simmons has played there. He played there in college. He played there some for us last year. So, you know, I feel pretty good. Certainly if there's somebody there that we think improves that position group and we like them, and players at another position group, then we won't hesitate to take a D lineman. Again, I love those big guys. I don't think you can ever have enough offensive and defensive linemen. Those lines of scrimmage, that's where it all starts, but feel really good about the position group that, that we have with, with Jeffrey, with Dayquan, with, with adding Crawford and having Mack back and, and Dickerson and Ivy and those guys feel like we've got really good competition, you know, across the board at those spots. As we wait for Mike to get back, Joe Rexroad had one for John. Hey, Joe. Oh, there we go. Hey, John, how you doing? Good, man. Good. Hey, I just wanted to ask you about, of course, the Davian Clowney, if there's anything you can tell us about where that is right now. And then also, correct me if I'm wrong, but you haven't really had a draft before where you had a guy like that, sort of in the midst still, correct? I mean, you know, a potential pursuit of someone that could obviously significantly change your roster and, and your payroll going into a draft. And how does that impact how you approach this? Yeah, I think, like with anything, you have to have a couple of scenarios mapped out. And, you know, I would say I talked about it last week with a couple of the TV spots that, you know, we haven't closed the door on anything, but I would say that we really haven't inched closer to having any finality to that either. I mean, he's obviously a good football player. And I think where we're at, depending up on who we pick, could potentially impact that, but I would say it doesn't close the, close the door on it completely either. Again, like I said last week, you don't ever close the door on the, you know, potentially adding good football players to your team. So we'll just kind of take it, take it how it goes and probably circle back with that one here this week or next week once the draft's over. Thanks, man. Gentry had a question for John. Yeah. Hey, John, I'm curious. Gentry, how are we doing, man? Good. I'm curious about the logistics of how things are going to work on draft night for you. I assume you're on a call with the people who would normally be in your own room. How difficult is it going to be for other teams to reach you? And I guess every team's going to kind of be dealing with that same thing. Yeah. So, so we're going to have a couple of different, you know, things in place here. That's why I've got three surfaces and an iPad on my desk here. But I'll be in one kind of channel if you will in a video conference call with our typical draft room participants. And then there'll be another, you know, conference call that I'll have with the scouts on another kind of channel. And then we have a couple of different ways of communicating with the league. And I have my draft phone and my cell phone, which is kind of standard operating procedure. And we'll run through it today. We did kind of an internal mock last week with our scouts and with our draft room. And it went pretty well. You know, we've got a couple of documents that we've got to have and being able to manipulate that, you know, whether it's the draft board or who's picking who, we've kind of assigned people to that that they will work that they'll be able to hear who gets selected and they can make adjustments on the draft board or if there's a trade, make adjustments to our picks board so that I can see, you know, who's picking when and who's been taken. And I'll have, you know, direct communication with, with coach rabble, everybody that's in the draft room in our scouts as well. If there's any aspect of this draft that concerns you the most just in terms of logistics and what you might be able to do, what is it about this year that concerns you the most? Well, I think my biggest concern was the ability to make trades and how that was going to go off. I think that I feel a little bit more at ease now that we've got the draft phones set up and there's a lot of trades that get done via cell phone. Like sometimes like in typical draft years in the past where I'll text, you know, another GM and say, Hey, are you going to pick here? Would you be looking to move? And they'll text me back. And I don't want to say you consummate a trade via text, but you at least get the ball rolling that way. And then you pick up the phone and call. So I think that style of business with being able to move around on the draft board will still be able to do that. Paul had a couple of questions for John. Hey, John, how much? Good. Thanks. How many guys did you get to the facility for a visit before things were shut down? 10. 10. So you feel pretty good about a third. You think that's about what most teams did. You have access to that information, right? Yeah, I think we may have been a little, maybe may have had a few more than some teams, but I think there was, you know, that as we started to talk to prospects, you know, on FaceTime or on Zoom calls, there were several that were able to make trips as well. You know, certainly missing the pro days, the private workouts and those other, you know, 20 guys, you would obviously love to have gotten all of that accomplished, but, you know, we're all kind of fishing in the same pond for lack of a better term. And it's the kind of the cards we've been dealt and we've been able to navigate it and feel pretty good about where we're at. Does that include locals or are you talking out of town? Yeah, we didn't do the, I mean, we typically have our local day. We would have had it last week and or in early April where we would have brought those, those, you know, local guys in for the local day and worked out some of them, some of the more high profile players. We just bring them in if they're in town and they visit with us, but that we did not, we were not able to get the local day worked in. How much do you have to think about contract status of John new, Dayquan and Jay on as, as you draft here, or do you think optimistically about your ability to extend guys you want long term? Yeah, I think, you know, that's right now our focus is on the draft and making sure we try to come away with next weekend with a bolster roster and some good players on our team. And, you know, there's guys on our team who will circle up with, you know, once the draft is over, once we get into training camp, you know, like we've done in the past with like KB, for example, you know, you got done last year in training camp. So our Ben Jones, whoever may be just to pick two examples there. There's there's time to to work through all of that in the future. I know this mock is is scrambled. What what number pick do you have? And do you know who they're having you take? We have been advised Paul not to disclose any of this information. So I'll have to plead the fifth on that one. Mike, do you want to be a rebel on that and share? I don't even they're going to million emails from them. So they just tell me to be ready to go at noon. So that's what I'm going to do. Be ready to go at noon. Thank you both. James Slater had a question for Mike. I'll just ask this to both of you guys. Hi, James Slater NFL Network, new to the beat. So thanks for doing this question for you about not obviously getting those guys in there for a workout. Is it a good or bad thing that there's a more heavy reliance on the tape? And are you at all concerned about some of the medical aspects of this? And is the leak protecting you in any sense given the circumstances? As far as for bringing him in to to work out, the only guys who would be able to work out will be our local guys potentially. But the medical is extremely important. I mean, that's an important component when you're making a decision on a player. So we're relying heavily on, you know, the combined players and the guys that weren't able to go to the combine. Our training staff and our doctors have done an extreme amount of due diligence and talking with trainers and that have dealt with these prospects at their respective universities and trying to get as much medical information as possible and grading them accordingly. I think the tape is something from the coaching perspective that we always look at as far as the coordinators or the position coaches or the head coach in my perspective is what we try to rely on. We're not, we're not scouts. We're coaches. And so I think we rely on the tape and the interview and would we like to bring this guy? Would we like to coach this guy and have him in our room is something that from a coaching perspective, we rely heavily on our evaluation as we talk with John and his department. You know, just to follow up that real quick, I did talk to one prospect and he said the one thing that he wishes he had with the virtual chats was something as simple as the strong handshake. Are you guys getting a sense of these players in those virtual chat room that you would typically get face to face? What's been lacking and what have you gained from the virtual chats? I would think they've been great. I think John and I have enjoyed them. I think we've really probably taken that to something where we had an opinion and a player thought about a player and then you meet with them for 30 or 40 minutes and you really get a sense of do you want this guy to represent your organization and do you want to work with him on a daily basis? So I think that those have been really good to help build a profile of the player. And I would echo that, you know, some of the guys that we talked to at the Combine, we circled back with and it's 18 minutes, it was 18 minutes this year per prospect and these guys have a lot going on whether it's medical or they're downstairs with what we call the train station interviewing with, you know, five or six teams in a row and they've installed 48 plays over the course of three hours with the guys and they're kind of their heads swimming a little bit. So when they come into your room, they're trying to make an impression on you, they've just got so much on their plate and there's some guys that, you know, may not have passed that test in Indy or, you know, not fully passed it, but we've been able to jump on calls with them and get to know them a little bit better in their setting and had a little bit better impression of them. Terry McCormick had a question for both John and Mike. Morning Terry. There we go. Terry's there. Okay. Picking at 29, that's lower than you picked in previous years, obviously, because of the success you had last year, but given that in most drafts, there may not be 29 players with first round grades, that sort of thing, are you more apt to maybe want to trade down and pick up some extra picks if possible? Yeah, you're right. It's the lowest we've picked. I wish we were picking a little bit lower, but, you know, I think, you know, a lot gets made up of this, you know, how many first round grades or that, and I think at the end of the day, we don't necessarily get caught up on who's got a first round grade or doesn't have a first round grade. Do we have a vision for the player? Is the player going to be able to come in and help our football team, and are we going to be able to, you know, to work with them on a day in and day out basis and make them a better player and then make us a better football team? And we'll just kind of see how it goes. You're right. We've got to sit there and pick picks. And when we're on the clock, you know, it's no different than any other draft where if the phone rings, you take down the potential trade, and you kind of value that relative to the player you're thinking of picking. And can you get that player, if you have to slide back seven, eight, nine, ten spots, do you think that player will be there or is there somebody similar that you like? Or you better off just taking the player and not risking losing them. All of those things and those decisions, you know, we've started to work through and we've talked through different scenarios. And as that manifests itself on the clock, we'll work through it. And this is for Mike. As far as the running back situation, looking for somebody to compliment Derek Henry, you're looking for, you want somebody that maybe is similar to Derek or would you prefer somebody that has a different skill set that you can do some different things? Terry, I don't know how many guys you're familiar with out there that are similar to Derek, but if you can find them, let us know. So with that being said, you know, I mean, just, I think a, you know, a player that we feel like that can come in and play in all three downs and then really can help in the kicking game. Somebody that can come in and be able to protect, you know, that we asked our guys to do a lot. And I think we've been able to put together a group of guys that we feel like can do that in different areas of this draft. And so we're obviously going to have to continue to take a look at that position to be able to give Derek some help as the season goes on. Dave Boclair had a question for John. Hey, John. Just, you've made only 10 picks the last two years. Is seven a good number this year or do you have in your mind a goal to maybe try and get a couple extra and beef up the youth of this team that way this year? Sorry about the dog. Somebody's trying to get in the house. Yeah, I think I think we the more picks you can have the better. But, you know, feel like we've got it. We've got we've got some we've got enough ammunition draft pick wise to make ourselves a better football team. Hopefully. But if we I think you would you could pull 31 other gems and ask them if they could if they could pick up another pick here here or there they would they would certainly entertain that so we'll kind of see how they start to unfold on on Thursday and Friday and Saturday and as more picks potentially become available available by trade. We'll certainly entertain that. Would you consider it kind of following up on Terry's question a big deal to not pick in the first round if that's the way it works out? Um, no, I don't I don't think so. I think from a football team from a general managers and not to speak for Mike, but we're just trying to make the football team better. It doesn't really matter and we tell these players when we we hang up the call with them. We're like it really doesn't matter whether you go in the first round of the second round or the third round of the I mean, it does from a compensation standpoint on their rookie contract to say there was a first round pick, but um, what matters is that they help the football team win and um, you really won't know that until until we we tee it up and kick it off in September. Teran had a question for both John and Mike. Hey, TD. Alright I wanted to ask you in regards to this this class of cornerbacks because I feel like that's a pretty deep class. Can you speak to just how you can get help from day one always through day three? Yeah, I mean, I think there's some there's, you know, it's it's it looks like there's some some length at corner and there's some there's some there's some maybe smaller statured corners that still have some some bite to them that looked like they could play around the core of the formation maybe as a as a nickel corner. Um, but but you're right. I mean, there was several guys down at the at the senior bowl who you know, they may not be first round picks, but they look they look, you know, competent enough to go out there and help a team. And there was a couple at the East West Ryan game that we took notice of to that, you know, that had had good weeks down there. So as I said earlier, I think I think that I think that position group is is a is a pretty deep one that you know, you can you can get guys that might can help you in all three days of the draft and when you're looking at position versatility specifically on your roster, do you feel that a Dory Jackson is a guy that can if need be bump inside and give you an option that at nickel. Um, yeah, I mean, I think he's played in there some whether it was adjusting to a formation or company. I mean, I think he shows a willingness to tackle. I think he's got pretty good match quickness and the ability to mirror. So at the end of the day, you know, Coach Vrable and his staff might they do a great job of putting guys in the best position to be successful. Um, and maybe maybe that's maybe that's Dory in there. Maybe that's somebody else at the end of the day we're going to try to get the best 11 guys on the field at different whatever position helps us, you know, make a make a play successful down in and down out and coach John earlier in the call he had mentioned how there are things that you stress out of your your nickel guys, some of the responsibilities when you're looking at these guys in this draft class what are some of the things like the traits that you look to to make you feel like they could come in and help you out. Well, I mean, I think first and foremost, I think there's a there's a versatility to be able to to play against two tight end sets with one of those guys being a, you know, a speed tight end or a move tight end that maybe we want to play against and out substituted defense the ability to blitz the ability to play man and zone coverage and then more so now to be able to you know to match up on some vertical routes inside I think for for so long in the slot there was this horizontal thought that that guys had to work defenses horizontally and now we're seeing a lot more vertical routes that are coming out of the slot so I think that that's something that's always a challenge when you and you're looking for players that do all those things and and do them very well. Thanks coach. Thanks. You got a T.D. Eric Backrack had one for John. Hey John. If you've you know communicated anymore with teams across the league ahead of the draft this year just because it might be a little bit harder or maybe more chaotic to communicate with them come draft a just as it relates to potential trades or or anything like that have you reached out or been reached out to more just from other teams across the league I would say nothing more than than normal I was on the phone with the team right before I jumped on here so you know I think those those phone calls will start to pick up you know I talked to one team and and asked them if they were hearing anything up in the in the first part of the round and they said it was pretty quiet so far so I think those conversations will start to start to heat up as we inch closer to to Thursday Harkening back to you know 2016 when we had moved back and then moved back up to eight you know that those conversations really didn't get fast and furious until Thursday morning and then Thursday afternoon when we when we finally you know jump back up to eight there with Cleveland Jared Stillman had one for both John and Mike just for John John when it comes to Logan Ryan replacing him are you looking at a corner who would probably be smaller but faster or looking for a guy who would maybe be in the case you talked about length maybe longer but not as quick um um well I think at the end of the day we talk about the um the corner position um Mike and I always ask the corners when we're talking to them whether it's the senior ball or the you know the combine or when they come in on a visit like what are the most important things for a corner um and they inevitably talk about their foot quickness or their speed or or this and I kind of simplify it we simplify form is like don't let your guy catch the ball and tackle so whatever shape or size that guy comes in the more times that they cover their guy or they knock the ball away and they tackle a guy who's got the ball um that's that's what we're looking for if it's a longer guy in there and and he can handle some of those routes so be it um if it's if it's a smaller guy that's that's feisty and he's fast and not afraid to tackle then then so be it I think that like I said earlier we're trying to get as many guys in that back end there that can that can tackle and keep their guy from catching the ball as possible is it harder for you to figure out exactly what you want in that regard when a lot of these guys didn't run at the combine and they were planning to run at their pro days so you don't have an exact time and you can't look at it and say okay this guy could cover Brandon cooks or Kenny stills or TY Hilton etc yeah I think that's a great point Jerry and I think what you what you do is um I mean you try to look at matchups or they matched up on some of those you know some of those guys who you know um our scouts do a good job of getting um it's not you know it may not be 100% accurate but we we get a pretty good estimate on um from the strength coaches around at these various universities about what their players have tested at um and and you see those matchups and if they're matched up on a speed guy you know are they able to kind of are they able to stay with that guy and you're trying to decipher what they're being asked of in coverage too because you know maybe they're asked to cover him for a little while and then they're passing them off to somebody else so there's a lot that goes in the to the evaluation piece when you're determining to find a value of that player uh Buck had a question for John actually for both you guys good to talk with you hope you're doing okay um thanks man we spent a lot of time with Daniel Jeremiah on our media call talking about how football is becoming more positionless last week I guess how much do you guys notice that trend in this draft in particular and how much more how much more difficult does it make your evaluation process uh process when you're trying to figure out just how many different things you can do with a particular player um I don't know about positionless because I think you have to have you have to have a defined role for the player and then the more the more the player can handle from a mental and or physical standpoint you know you you put on that player now there there are some players in this draft that I think um they are kind of hybrid players whether that's you know a bigger safety that might play linebacker or uh you know a really athletic safety that might could play nickel corner or corner um but I think what we try to do as a football team is we try to try to evaluate and and and make a definitive statement on what we think the role of the player is going to be and how they can impact our football team um and then it's really it's really up to the player and that's what we tell the players when when they get here it's like you know you're here you're going to work at this position and what what else you can handle um you will determine that same question for your coach um you know I just think that you got to be able to be in a room I think that's the one thing when we talk about and John's like well whose rooms he going to be I think that's a question that he's always asked when we talk about a player's versatility and his ability to play um more than one position I think John wants to know hey whose rooms he going to be in what do we see but I think it's critical that we always have a vision for the player uh and that's made up of a scouting department, a coaching staff and when they're going to start and then ultimately the role the player is going to be determined by the player um the more that they can do and the more that they can handle the more that we'll give them I would use a money hooker as an example of that he came in right away and as a safety but played some different spots for us played down a little closer and new nickel learn nickel new safety was involved in all four of our special teams phases and played multiple positions on that so he was a player that could handle a lot and then we gave him a lot so you know that that all gets determined by when we get them and we can figure out what they can retain and how they fit into our system and what are we doing to put them in a best position to succeed thanks guys Luke had a question for John yeah Luke had bumped out but I've got his question here is Austin for John how do you balance the need to improve I thought you guys were the same person for the first six months I was here I'm quite a bit taller than Luke sorry Luke but how do you balance John the need to improve the team for this year versus planning for the future in this draft yeah I think you're always looking at um certainly the current roster and how you're going to construct that and how those players are going to impact this year's team I think that's the first and foremost but you're also looking at maybe some players in the latter part of the draft that it might it might be a year or two years before they really start to take off and blossom you see a kind of a developmental piece to their game and you have to keep that in mind as well because the vision that we have for the player we're going to be playing in 2021 and 2022 as well so certainly the short term is at the forefront but you're thinking about the long term as well and coach in your experience how do you determine what kind of workload is fair to ask of a rookie and what factors play into that well I think you give them you know you ask yourself is this player changing positions are you asking him to go to a different position when you get here is it a defensive end that's going through an outside linebacker that workload may not be as much or is this a player that's um has been in a similar system we try to give them a lot we do and normally in our normal circumstances I think that probably will change a little bit on this virtual meeting stuff but we try to give them a lot and then fill in the blanks as you go and you're giving it to them at rookie minicamp normally you're giving it to them during the off-season program you're giving it to them in the OTAs and you start to see what they can develop and what they can understand I think this year will be critical that we probably don't do that and that we don't throw a bunch at them so that we don't lose them over these virtual meetings and classroom sessions so I'm very conscious of what that schedule looks like for those rookies and how we're able to teach them and get them brought up to speed so this year may be a little different Austin but normally we're trying to throw a lot at them because we have them in person and we can have a lot of meetings with them appreciate it Mike you already had a question for John John thanks for doing this just a question in terms of gaps and picks I think it's 80 between your third round your fifth round and 50 or so between the fifth and the seventh is that something that you're interested in trying to close the gap considering the depth of this draft sure if we've got the ability to maneuver around and get picks and slide back a few and pick up extra picks to I don't necessarily look at it perhaps but if we're able to acquire some picks via moving around I think we've proven that we're more than open for business when it comes to navigating around the draft board and positioning ourselves to get as many picks as possible thanks sir Cal Baxter had one for John John with given the uncertainty with the off season and Mike kind of touched on it do you have to maybe lower your expectations for your rookie class this year I don't think you ever lower the expectations for anybody I think we have a standard set in place different players players are different people are different and we're going to treat everybody the same we're going to expect them to come in and treat the team the way that they would want to be treated and put whatever on their plate that they can handle some guys might take off and blossom quick some guys a little longer there's no different than any other rookie class but they're going to have to buy into our philosophy of how we go about doing things be accountable be dependable show up and be a good teammate and I think that will never change when you're judging edge positions how do you weigh size versus speed what do you mean and which one to take yeah like how do you which one is there one of the size or speed you value more for an edge guy or is it I mean obviously like to have both but I think you know again players are different there's I don't think that the tackles are they're good in this game I don't think that that you can just win by running around on the edge of tackles all the time there's the tackles are good and coaches put things in place to help you know stop that but you have to have somewhat of an arsenal or developmental skill set that our coach and staff can work with to improve but all of those things are important you know length, size, speed, ability to set really downs how crafty are they can you move them around can they rush inside can they stand up can they drop all of those things go into the evaluation piece that's it thank you I've got time for two more Chris Harris for Mike Hi Mike how are you sir great Chris all right John talked a little bit about his setup on drop time just curious to know your logistical setup you obviously got the whiteboard there how is it structured in a room is your family locked out what's going to be the protocol for you during the draft the whiteboard will probably be covered we were using that for some defensive stuff and John and I talked to some of these rookies and you know I like to draw on there so it's better than drawing on a table I'm in my basement and you know I don't know I got a bunch of kids here and a wife so I'm sure that they'll be watching the draft somewhere in the house but pretty comfortable with the conversations that we've had and John and I were unbelievably excited with our mock draft that we did with our organization I thought it was cool I thought it was unbelievably functional it was amazing the work that those people put in whether it be our IT department whether it be the scouting department and some of those people involved with making sure that that was the virtual draft was as perfect as it could be and then just one more for you you're such a hands-on coach how tough is that going to be these virtual workouts and off seasons when you can't physically get out there with the guys well right now we're going to work under the assumption that these are going to be virtual classroom opportunities and now we're going to try to you know share our message through through the classroom virtually and get these guys brought up to speed and start back over you know I think that's what you do every year is you start back over you don't you know just jump in and assume that they know something that's been a long time since they've been involved in football and making sure that we go back to the basics and not rushing anything that's not my intent is to to rush it's to teach and make sure that that each and every guy is going to improve on their learning and their understanding of our offense or our defense our special teams when we get done with this and when they tell us that they can come back in you know we'll have them back in and we'll evaluate where they are physically and mentally and see when we can practice thank you Teresa we'll finish this up I think she had one for Mike Mike with this virtual off season are you all sending players equipment or monitors or you know how are you trying to take care of augmenting some of the equipment maybe they don't have well I think it's identifying what they do have and what access they have but you know per the league we were able to send them with some equipment we were also able to reimburse some equipment but for me it's really critical that our players stay self-motivated I believe that that is going to be the core to this team success right now is that we're self-motivated and that we're building a routine and that when we are going to the meetings next week the voluntary phase that players are engaged if they choose to be there and learning and that our coaches are going to be great teachers during that phase