 Got that song Don't go singing that song about waterfalls are allowed to pay a mechanical royalty I always do that by accident start humming something or singing something. Why is it when I start the broadcast Darin always leaves What do you mean? I'm oh There you are. Oh, yeah, should I go to my thing? We're out of the picture You're out of a picture in the thumbnail, and I thought you left no I'm sharing with Shannon. I also found out that the age thing is the number three top rated on lyrics Interpretations comm slash plc slash waterfalls only number three of chase me number three. Okay, so what's number one? Oh? You know what actually never mind. It's also in the number one one as well Wait, how can you be one in three? It's in number one and number three It's not in number two prediction or interpretation interpretation. All right. We're gonna start you guys ready Okay, I was born ready. Yeah, of course you were here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news show for Friday December 30th 2016 the very last Daily Tech news show of 2016 I'm Tom Merritt and this is our predictions episode Where we are going to go around the horn where everyone except Veronica Belmont is brave enough to share their predictions for 2017 Veronica actually had a good excuse. She had to work because we're recording this a little bit early But thankfully Shannon Morse is here as well Jumping in along with Darren kitchen Justin Robert Young Patricia Scott Johnson and Len Peralta's even here today So let's get right into the predicting as usual We'll have one to three predictions from each person Roger will keep track of everyone's predictions so that we can have a result show Next year and we start with the man that was too afraid to confront his predictions in predictions results show Yeah, well, that's what that's the story we're gonna go with as to why I wasn't there You were dear right. We just we just had a little mix up on that you did you did average you did all right You're fine. Yeah, my prediction last year that I would completely forget about the roundup show at the end of the year came true I my prediction was right so Yeah, let's let's start with me I suppose I don't know that mine are too out there and crazy I mean Tom and I do a whole other show where we have crazy predictions so I kept these a little more close to to down to earth I guess and They're also very specific and hopefully these tread all over Patrick's predictions because that's kind of my goal today I Think that this is going to be the year that Nintendo gets back to their full strength And they do it on the back of the Nintendo switch There's a lot of argument and back and forth right now about whether or not This console slash portable hybrid is the thing they need to return themselves to their former glory But I believe that it will be a huge sales success I think it gets back to the core things that make Nintendo what they are and make them the brand that they are and I think that They'll deliver on that idea that you can have this as both a dockable home system Pull it out attach a couple of controller devices to it take it on the road and use it in the various in various ways I think that hybrid idea is going to work for people and It'll be the Nintendo people want they're going to have incredible Successful games like a new Pokemon series on that device and they that's where you'll see probably most of the portability Excitement come from and then on the home front They'll bring all their franchises and things that matter will this make them a a powerhouse third-party publishing Platform probably not but it will play to the biggest strengths Nintendo has which is their own IP's and The loyal following that they have and they just can build on that so prediction number one Nintendo's back into it All right, so I was going to go with a Nintendo switch prediction But and I ended up not doing it because I couldn't Decide on a number I think if you're gonna do that you need to have a sales number at which you will define a significant success or not and I went and looked into the PlayStation 4 Which is a huge success year first-year sales and from December 1st 2013 to November 22nd 2014 they sold 14.4 million units now that includes the holiday season But would you be willing to to give a little bit of a concrete? Numbering to that pretty yeah, what's the metric for for your success? Put up or shut up John. Yeah. All right. Listen. Here's my number I would say quarter one well the release it in March. I'd say by July or August of next year They will be somewhere in the 10 million Solder what I know that seems high But I'm telling that's in line with their own predictions by the way their own now That's them, you know puffing up stock and getting excited about their own product I understand that that's different than reality a lot of times but I think that if this if the rumors are true that this thing Ships day one with possibly a Mario pack in it's only rumor right now But there's some there's some meat to that and the availability of that new Zelda game on shelves that day You have the makings of a Nintendo style sales bonanza and I think they're due It's not been since 2006 that there's been any kind of excitement at the level that we saw for the Wii And even though that was short-lived We're talking about a very traditional piece of hardware this time a much more traditional focus The only weird thing about it is Nintendo is combining their two Disparate markets of portable and home and finally bringing them together in a way that I think looks like at my work so I say 10 million in the first six to seven months and Within two three years there in the range of you know 40 50 million I will say their predictions are 2 million in the first quarter So they only have a few days launch basically 2 million at launch I think 10 million in in April or May or even July is very optimistic if they reach 10 million by December if you don't count the holiday season it will be a success already. So Yeah, we'll see I agree and the numbers are a little bit out there, but I I don't know I have this feeling and I want it to be true. So what fun or prediction shows if you don't have something a little nuts, right? Yeah, you're already set up for a half credit. Yeah, it'll be a success but not hit 10 million I don't like the end of half credits man. This half credit craze is just like, you know The extra point in hockey for a tie. Yeah, the hay penny Everybody get the trophy. What else you guys got? I'm going to throw out there This one's a little bit more esoteric and a little less focused But I believe that 2017 will be the year that we see tech companies get very very aggressive in terms of what kinds of things they see happen in both politics In legislation and in how they control their own markets I think that they we're gonna see companies like Apple Microsoft and Google and others alphabet to be more specific Get very aggressive what with what they need to do to shore up whatever it is they want to do so if it's if it's Apple Trying to solidify the idea that it's okay that we manufacture a lot of things in China and Wants that to continue to be a part of their supply chain and their cost structure and everything else You'll see them get way more out in front of this and in a way become lobbyists for themselves in a lot of ways Well, all these companies have been doing that. I mean you could say that already happened in 2016 They've they've all become more active as lobbyists. They've all been meeting more with legislators and and the president What do you expect to see that will be more than last year? Yeah, they're all going in tomorrow Yeah Tomorrow into Trump Tower right that's true They are or a couple weeks ago part of it for me is The intensification of it Tom's right. They've been doing this really since Silicon Valley was a was it was a thing I mean, it's this isn't anything new in terms of you know, these companies have interests, right? And they and what happens in national and geopolitical? Arenas changes how their world is so this has always been true. I just think elephant in the room Potentially there's a reason for them and this isn't me just going. Oh, no Trump's gonna be president But this is kind of me going. Oh, no, Trump's gonna be president and I don't know that he has a very Solid technological plan nor do I think He's got a lot of people It sounds like what you want to say and you're not saying it is the tech companies will be in constant battle with the administration Yeah, yes, okay there. Yeah, that's actually what I am trying to say It's not that I didn't want to say it but that is a better way of saying it I think that that's what's gonna happen and they're gonna have to take a lot of hard stances in terms of things like security How much information do we give up when the government asked for it? What are we willing to budge on? What are we willing not to budge on that stuff's just gonna become sharp focus instead of sort of? Nebulous occasionally gets brought up on some article somewhere But this is gonna be like a constant thing we hear about all through 2017 And there will be a lot of money thrown around to make sure that interests are Forded and kept and protected well, you know the funny thing about the the the Trump relationship with the Trump presidency's Relationship with Silicon Valley is number one. He has a go between the likes that You know not not Obama not Bush really had when Peter Thiel I mean who is not only very very well connected but certainly well respected within Silicon Valley And there's a little bit of a diplomacy that he can employ that previous presidents could not but I think you're dead Right because behind the scenes the biggest wailing and gnashing of teeth between the Silicon Valley and the Obama administration Was these you know their relationship with security and how much they could even disclose Let alone say no to That that is something that was that Silicon Valley and the Obama administration was at constant loggerheads about All right, so we got two good ones. What do you have a third one? My third is that we will continue to be rad and the show will be great and DTS will continue to be the best tech podcasting show in the history of the world Yeah, I hope you get one right That's in our own hands though, I don't know if you either you does that insider trading No, if you if I make a tweet about it, then the your stalker go Keep it to myself All right, let's move on to you Patrick Beja from across the pond and by the way, thanks for staying up super late For us with recording this. What do you see coming in 2017? So I have two very easy to check predictions The first one is that valve. Let's see pointed at Scott. Were you pointing that comment? I was pointed at everyone not Scott in particular checking Possibly trying to break a habit of the past few predictions in the past few years Valve or Oculus will announce a second generation VR headset already in 2017 maybe not release quite yet, but at least announced. Okay. I guess there is one catch which is if they announce a Cheaper and lighter version of their headsets which might be less Technologically advanced. Would that be a second version of not or not? I don't know I'll leave that to the judges to decide valve not HTC. Yes. I said valve I don't I mean HTC might do it But I think a valve might also partner with another manufacturer to be okay Because there's a wrinkle there because HTC might not come up with a follow-up to the vibe But if valve is involved with the design of another one, you'd call it a follow-up. Yes It is kind of because yeah Is a valve HTC product but valves component it still is still very important Val VR is meant to be an open standard not an open source standard, but an open standard that companies can Build any kind of any number of hardware devices for so I think that is probably likely if not Guaranteed it'll just be interesting to see how vibe feels about that like this is how how in bed is vibe with HTC with valve on this deal and and are they okay with that because valves position has always been Others could come along and make other hardware based on the standard. So They're they're investing a lot of a lot of resources in VR So I think they might also be part of that second generation thing, but it's like the nexus the Google nexus, right? The different Devices might be manufactured by different companies I'm all in I have my vibe. I love my vibe. I'll buy another one I'll buy a new better one that doesn't have the death trap cord on the back of it Like that's that's really to me That's the step forward that I want that would justify me spending another $500 I would handicap it as most likely is there's another valve headset not made by HTC I think that that's almost a hundred percent likely in my opinion I think next likely is that Oculus comes out with a lightweight version or a cordless version or a mobile version I think I think it's pretty likely. We'll see a mobile version from Oculus So that could qualify. I think the least likely is we see rift 2 in the coming year So see it seemed I'm like a politician it seemed clear and Very easy to check in the beginning and the more we dig into it. We realize it's more complicated than that Follow the Frank's If you're convinced that it will be somebody other nature see I'm just curious who you think it might be who do you think? That's a good question. I don't know There's so many companies in China and Taiwan and Hong Kong who are making headsets that might decide Hey, let's good. Let's get in bed with valve I could see a lot of the mobile companies Perhaps getting over there. I don't think it would be Samsung. I don't think it would be Apple I don't think it would be Google. Those are the only ones. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be It would work valve specifically. Yeah, yes What's your next one Patrick? Apple will not release their rumored AR product in 2017 You're just loving these Apple won't do things successes That did I what did I do? I didn't say something about Apple last year. No, no, I did I said they wouldn't release a VR and I agree It's a safe bet Well, they're saying Apple won't do and then X is always a good one A couple wins in here won't release a car Apple won't release a Okay after there are there are Persistent rumors that the iPhone the next iPhone will come with an option for an AR Connected product. We've seen this a few times in the last few months and it's a year away. It might happen. No, you don't think so So what you're saying what you're really saying everyone is that you all agree with my prediction I Think what could happen is and I don't think this would Fall into your prediction. I think Apple could put out a new iPhone that has depth-sensing cameras That would allow apps with augmented reality type functions to be created But I don't think Apple is going to release an AR product I'm with you that be an AR product though. No, that would just be a functionality if they had like AR kit as an SDK that worked with their iPhone Consider this to be an AR product. Oh, really? Okay. Good. Then you'll be wrong because I think that's gonna happen You think so. All right, then the stakes are a little bit higher. I think it won't happen. I Don't think Apple will release a laptop next year. So we're betting no on a rumor correct God predictions. What of course it's on rumors. We're doing predictions We're saying no on a rumor not yes to a rumor. We're saying the field Those rumors you heard are possibility. You don't think there's a possibility Apple will get into the AR game There's a possibility. There's a possibility. We'll get into the automotive game There's a possibility. We'll get into the home buying game. All right. All right Did we accept Darren's prediction about Apple getting into VR last year? Yes, we got into this mess Well, then again, like 90 of the predictions last year were about VR. So we're already very far straight here Makes a good point All right. Is that it Patrick? Just the two I now I want to revise it. I don't know I I'm feeling guilty. You got to do the last chance jury. You got to be Well, you came swaggering in here all John Wayne like enough of this wishy washy nuts I'm gonna give you guys the straight dope and then you're like I believe that the thing that we might think could possibly happen indeed will not You know what I my mistake was to get into this game with a politically Astute person like you jury you saw through me like through anything. It's it's amazing. I didn't expect that All right, uh, if that this is your final chance Patrick, I might revise it in a second I'll think about it for a second. But go ahead. All right. We're going to move on to Shannon Shannon, what do you see coming in 2017? And if you're not watching the video Realize that these predictions like an oracle at delphi are coming not only from the mouth of shannon, but through pikachu From pikachu Okay, my first one actually goes along quite well with uh one of scott's predictions And i'm gonna read it because uh thinking is hard We're going to start seeing some large hits to security and privacy starting with uh net neutrality in bulk data collection And the reason I came up with that one is because recently in the news net neutrality Uh, that was just in the news this week because there was an FCC commissioner who was talking about wanting to remove Some of the regulations that it creates under the new government that we're going to have here in the united states So I suspect that we're going to see some other privacy regulations that are going to be kind of stripped away for citizens Because well, I want to say surveillance state, but I know it's not going to be that paranoia level But I feel like it's going to move in that kind of Direction due to fears of terrorism and fears of other things of that nature So I feel like security and privacy are going to be a huge factor next year Yeah, net neutrality is going to be a fight. There's no there's no doubt about that There's there's all kinds of opinions about how fast the FCC could move How much opposition could be put whether the courts would get involved But there there's no doubt that that's going to become an issue again Privacy regulations. I feel like it's almost like instead of Instead of leaning towards hey, we want to give you more privacy All they have to do is just stop talking and it'll fulfill your your prediction That's kind of what it feels like and um like for example We had the patriot act that was signed in by I believe bush And then in 2015 we had the freedom act which kind of changed a few of the patriot acts regulations to help Like limit the bulk data collection that the government was able to do So I kind of worry about the USA freedom act also being stripped of some of the regulations that it created on the government So that it gives them more power To breach our own privacy and security So I I feel like maybe I am being a little bit paranoid about this just because you know You watch what's going on in the timeline of security and privacy every single week if you do shows about it But at the same time I'm like well given our history of this All of this has happened before and all of it. I feel like it's going to happen again So say we all so say we all well. Yeah Go ahead. Justin I mean, I think that that's that's a very astute observation and really the only thing that I would say Going forward politically that could mitigate it is that right now for politicians The idea of enhanced personal security Is something that they are looking at in a slightly different way in light of Uh, the the podesta emails hacks and the fact that those were funneled back through wick elites Uh, whomever took them in the first place. So uh, if You know, I think that there is a natural inclination for government to crack down further and further and further and to erode security And yet we are now seeing a slight uptick from politicians, which again is a sliding scale Uh of understanding that security is indeed something that is not just Only for you know pedophiles and criminals Well, and both of those things need Action to change right to to take away Personal encryption rights you'd have to enact something and I don't foresee that happening But to leave privacy under the surveillance Uh violations or threats or or maybe you don't consider them violations or threats But to leave things as they are you just need to not take action And that's why I think that part of what Shannon's saying is very easy for them to make true by just not Pursuing proposed amendments to things. Yeah. Yeah, exactly Do you have a second prediction Shannon? I do Neither of mine are super exciting, but um, I first one's pretty exciting. Maybe in the wrong way Yeah, both of them have possibilities So my second one's about mirai, which is the botnet that hits a bunch of internet of things devices across the entire world So I feel like variations of mirai are going to create a lot of critical changes for iot manufacturers And then it's also going to spur more security focus for consumers as well Like I feel like consumers are going to be paying attention a lot more to the iot devices that they're purchasing and making sure that those are secure Um, I also predict that we're going to see and maybe this is totally off the wall because it would be very complicated to create something like this But I would love to see a consumer focused Free software option that you can simply run on your router at home or on your computer. That's connected To see what iot devices are vulnerable in your household So that you can patch them or you can like return them to a manufacturer if they can't be patched Now maybe that would never happen, but that's something that I I could foresee happening given how much iot has been changing in this last year Like yeah, don't you think it would have to there'd have to be some other event Different than what we've seen this year that would force people to say we need this and then it's not outlandish I mean we've seen similar types of of open source projects occur in the past Yeah, we have um the the only problem that we've had so far with stuff that You know Try to pay attention to the network that you're currently on and your security and privacy is that it's so Hard to understand for a lot of people Unless like you you know Delve into wire shark all the time and understand packet captures like it's really hard to find software that is Really easy to navigate And it's easy to understand no matter like what your level is with computers So you're talking about like a Like a consumer focused version of something like nmap which will scan your network and say here are all the devices And oh by the way, we notice that you have that one g e thermostat or whatever have you That happens to not be patched up to the current Level and and maybe here's a guide on how to do it or here's the phone number to call to return it because it was You know recalled or or hopefully there's something but I feel like even if that were to be implemented Getting consumers to care enough to even bother running such a thing is a bit of a stretch Yeah, yeah, I feel like like uh the muri botnet would have to Hit some really critical infrastructure for people to actually start paying attention Like takedown of course sf muni got taken down, but that was something completely different That was just a fair collection though That was almost a positive for people when they were writing because they didn't have to pay the fare anymore Yeah, so people didn't care. They were like, yes free, you know do that more but that's it's still a bad thing So I feel like you know muri would have to take down Citywide power grid or something like that for people to actually pay attention But that that like when we talk about iot We mostly think about like in our homes, you know automation and convenience things things like You know bluetooth enabled door locks and things of that nature But even with things like showdan, you know giant search engines that show like all of the devices That are available of the network and this has been you know existing for the last five years And there's been so many stories of like oh look at all these baby monitors all these webcams Showing children and infants and stuff and yet still Things didn't get patched so I think that it's a little bit wishful thinking on your part Shannon that I could see it yes being created But i'm just going to throw a little caveat there and say i'm a positive person Okay, this is not going to get adopted by the normie. I'm a very optimistic person I mean it would have to be an app on your phone where like your android is like Oh, I noticed that i'm connected to your wi-fi network at your home Would you like me to auto scan your entire home network? Yeah, yeah, can we just make this happen? You can program do it make it happen Thanks, Shannon I think shannon's saying we need a myriad of mirai problems to get people's attention Not saying I want that to happen, but I kind of feel like it has to happen for people to actually start paying attention But I feel like that's going to happen next year and then people are going to start paying attention to it All right, but shannon's saying she wants a specific app and that's her prediction And then she's getting darin to build the app so her prediction comes true Is there a conflict of interest there? Absolutely No, no somebody should absolutely do this Not me. I predict that I will pay darin to make a small app Well, they'll actually that that's a good point because if somebody in dtnsland is listening and they're really good with like android app Programming and they know how to do an n-map scan and find that that janky doorbell that needs to patch There you go. Make shannon's predictions come true So you're just goading you're just voting the internet to make itself more secure look at her It's reverse psychology. All right. Is that it shannon? Yeah, that's oh and also dtns Is gonna rock. Yeah Yay double prediction shannon and I share a prediction. Yes Consensus prediction All right, let's get to you darin. What do you got in store for us in 2017? I got I got three for you. Uh, you know, I'm gonna stick to my main my mainstays I've got a Hector activist prediction. I've got a consumer electronics prediction and I got a drone prediction, of course Uh, so let's start with the hacker activist stuff and that is that in 2017 We are going to see an apocalyptic war on cryptography and that debate is going to get Heated and we're going to actually see like, you know legislation Perhaps pass regarding things of like, you know that the back door encryption, you know the like oh no No, it's cryptid. We just are you willing to take a stand on that? Are you willing to say it will pass? We'll get back doors past this year. We're look we either gonna win fighting it or it's gonna get through But it's gonna get heated. It's gonna get up to you know Um, so you're saying you feel like we're actually going to see regulation on things that currently aren't regulated like back doors I'm saying that we're going to see the encryption debate come back around full circle that we won in the 90s And I and I feel like what we've been seeing in 2016 has only just been like a small little flirting With the even even the concept of You think we'll see that whole battle again But you know, you're not predicting who will win No, I'm not predicting who will win. I mean, hopefully, you know, the good guys win obviously and we're all the good guys Everybody is but um, you know, you know who you are. You're the good guys. Look at your shoes I love those shiny shoes. Is that what you just said tom? It's something like that. Yeah Yeah So that's that's kind of that thing. I I know that I horribly got last year, you know with the quantum cryptography So I'm just saving that for 2020 Skipping right past. Okay, got it. Skipping right past that we're going to consumer electronics Of course, obviously the thing that I am most known for uh, eloquently predicting I thought I would do something esoteric. I feel like wearables are going to hit a 2017 slump this year And it's not going to be until there is a quantum leap in battery technology or some other sensor technology That we're really going to see it, you know Bump back up and I would even equate it to right now We're in kind of the area in wearables that the concept of the smartphone Was when the original palm pilot pda's came out and there was this just like dark ages of like Oh, you're one of those people you carry one of those things You have to be like an uber nerd an uber data tracker to even bother carrying And it's not to say that the market will implode there will still be a market for it's just going to be really small Until eventually and I don't know what year that is We see that quantum leap in battery technology or we see that you know massive sensor thing that killer app That finally makes that an actual market more than just kind of like that. Hey something cool and new So we're in the handspring visor era Yeah, that's yeah, that's exactly a great analogy. Yeah, it's it's it's tablets in 2003 It's um, it's always such an awkward weird time and it always makes so many people predict Doom and gloom about a device's future like it just must mean well wearables are going to be no good Obviously, we've tried and then somebody figures out a way to to take it out of that obscurity and take it somewhere else But you don't think that's happening this year. You're saying This year it's the slump this year. They get depressed about it It's like 2018 to 2020 or something before we start seeing somebody really blow our minds Yeah, I'm not, you know, predicting that it's that the whole market is just like over with what I'm saying is Yeah, we will crack that nugget. I'm not saying and I'm just saying it's not going to be this year 2017 is going to be a depressed year for the wearable And that's a pretty easy one to quantify. We'll just see how the numbers were versus 2016 is just simply going to be lower Would you correlate? Wearables with vr or do you keep those separate? I mean, I think that there are some ar aspects to some wearable I think you do physically wear it, but a game peripheral Watches fit bit type stuff, right? Yeah fitness trackers I mean, eventually, you know, what we'll probably end up seeing is, you know, as we like as that market really emerged It was the like fitness tracking was, you know, you're your big mainstay and you know, you're your smart watches But I feel like, you know, we'll see some more specialized things kind of take hold, you know, like more medical Kind of devices that's very specific in their niches And I guess what I'm saying is like market-wise it'll be lower than 2016 Until eventually there is whatever that quantum leap in technology most likely battery or sensors That will kind of make that whole thing flourish in the way that we went from palm pilots to an iphone All right, and you got one more. What's the last one? Drones this is a really just a esoteric one, but uh, you know, I got to make my drone prediction And that is the emergence of the ubiquitous Selfie drone in the same way that we well, they already exist So you think they're just going to become like massively popular Yeah, you know what to the point where here's how we quantify it Tom pause the podcast I know you're in Santa Monica I want you to go down to the pier right now and I want you to do a selfie stick count Okay, now at the end of the year, let's go ahead and do the same thing and I want you to do a selfie drone count So it's it's actually a two-phased prediction though because obviously I want to you know, instead of doing like a Patent type prediction where I can make it as general as possible and always win Here's where I set myself up for failure. I'm going to say that selfie drones are going to be like the next You know stupid craze in the world of drones And yet at the same time we will see the backlash of the similar to how selfie sticks are banned in certain public places Selfie drones are gonna be the banning Of the selfie drone I think it was a pretty good prediction actually Yeah, I don't know how you the key there would be a cheap drone Right. Oh, yeah, we're gonna see the cell 50 dumber You know fits in your back pocket, you know smaller than your cell phone Yeah, yes, you just kind of set it down and press the button and it Hover is at five feet and starts taking photos and zipping off Yeah, somebody's going to figure out how to put a five megapixel camera sensor and a bluetooth on one of those tiny drones Yeah, and it's going to be super cheap and and ubiquitous to the point where they're kind of like in the little You know corner stores around those touristy places like the Santa Monica pier And yet at the same time you'll see the crackdown from not just the national park service But also every tiny little municipal You know park and garden First time I saw hoverboard was in in line for the tsa in lax Oh, really like long before they started to take off And I swear like I I fully expect to see a selfie drone in an airport Yep, and you know Anyway, yeah the same same regulations apply whether it's a selfie drone or a full-scale drone You know right we move along to justin robert young All right You already I got three of them and these are all either or we're gonna ain't gonna be any Maybe if possible have credits i'm living or dying on these three and I got a good feeling i'm gonna go three and no you ready first one the first ticket or The I'll just put it this way the first ticket to mars will be sold by SpaceX This year and they will it won't necessarily be for a flight this year, but they will sell the first ticket to mars Yes, and and and I am counting within that a press release that either it probably won't be for passengers per se it'll be for You know a company that that is going to be there to help set stuff up But they are going to announce that people have paid for their first trip to mars this year Wow, who will do it though? Is this SpaceX? Is it uh? SpaceX? Oh, yeah, I thought you said virgin galactic for some no no no it's going to be SpaceX and It will probably be an industrial some industrial kind of company, but but it's going to be We're going to be far enough along this year We're now like when we get to about the year anniversary of elan musk's big talk about the mars colonial transport That they are going to want to keep the momentum on that and part of that will be A big press release that will be this person this company has agreed to you know Take x amount of space on this our first ever trip to mars So so what you're saying is not that Someone's buying some cargo space. Yeah, but no passenger space. Yeah, okay Now it could be people too Because I think that people will be there to set the stuff up, but it won't be like Leonardo DiCaprio has bought the first ticket to mars like because virgin galactic will be out there selling tickets to space this year Possibly, right? Yeah, but that's not really space. I mean Right, this will be the probably sell a ticket to space or something like that Uh, this will be I think this will this will get a ton of attention because it will be space x saying here are the first people that will step on mars Based on our Our trips there. All right makers of hoverboards will buy space to mars next prediction Johnny i've Will resign from apple. Whoa And we'll see him outside of his white box This is me reading tea leaves But that coffee table book It's got me thinking like When do you do the retrospective? Of that is something that you are so closely tied to Unless you you know You want to pick up some extra dj dates and and and your your daytime gig isn't uh, isn't giving you enough slack I I I just think that apple's right now and I don't think it's controversial to say that they're in a bit of a weird place They don't seem to be quite functioning on all cylinders for the first time Apple has kind of been out and out mocked for their design Uh specifically some of the functionality The the hashtag dongle life that uh anybody who is in the apple ecosystem now has to live by has certainly been fairly Uh mocked. I think it might just be The best for everybody involved if maybe there is a little bit of a fresh blood Uh transfusion into apple and I just got this feeling that this is the year that that i've Takes a well-deserved Uh bow and uh and and walks off into the sunset of it and who would you want to step into that position? I have no idea. I'm sure there's some I'm sure there's somebody else inside apple that's going to get it That's like ive's right hand man or something and i'm sure they'll all have to go to Voice acting classes so they can do those commonly narrated Uh of you know videos at all the keynotes and everything But uh, I just got this I got this feeling that this is going to be A year of sea change at apple and probably the biggest name to head off into the sunset will be johnny I I wouldn't be surprised to see others Uh and maybe a little bit of a shake-up uh in in the traditional sections Of apple talking about the computer and the phone sections of apple And here's my third one. All right I made a movie prediction last year I feel like I was close enough to being right that i'm going to go ahead and make another one Martians of the galaxy volume two will make over 652 million dollars domestic more than 652 million making it the highest grossing marvel movie of all time whoa So putting it up in star wars territory more than the avengers, which is currently at 600 And 23 I am saying it will make more than 652 more than Jurassic world Putting it fourth all time Wow I could see Right there I don't think that a movie that might be announced that may star wilson Actually start densel washington. I'm not give wishy washy and look First ticket to mars is either going to be sold or it's not johnny eyes are they're going to be there or he ain't Guardians of the galaxy are they're going to be fourth all time next to titanic or it's not Boom that's how you know what you know what justin you get my vote That is the kind of of of straight talk we need in this world I also predict that i'm going to launch another kick starter and i'm going to get all the contenders at a darin's warehouse Ah darin looks very pleased not before I I actually built a fort where you can buy them even cheaper at the hack shop I mean All right, those are good predictions actually and I I can't say i'm against the guardians of the galaxy one I think it's possible. I think it's very very possible You know, I think there's two things that go into it number one the original one made $333 million which is a gigantic overperformance based on what it is I think you have the uh the the rising star of chris pratt that has only continued to get Larger and larger remember the movie that I am predicting it to beat Jurassic world Lot largely kind of piggybacked on the success of chris pratt star turning guardians of the galaxy to reach those heights Obviously diner dinosaurs help as well but You've got baby Groot which is already getting a lot of conversation if you're looking for something that is Becomes cultural coup. I think that that's there and also it does not hit that That kind of level unless it is a crowd pleaser and based on that first trailer It just looks like a big Broad bring the whole family crowd-pleasing kind of movie All right, we only got two folks left. Uh one illustrating the show right now Len I don't know if you want to pull your illustration out of your picture for the video Oh, yes your predictions so that you don't let me do that You know or it could be You won't get a good look at it until uh the end of the show Well, then you you actually have some predictions for 2017 as well. What I do I do I have three predictions two of them are sort of tied in with one another Uh and once again, let me preface this by saying of course I am the most non-technical person on this show So some of these you may laugh off and be like, uh, that's ridiculous But this is what I sort of see and I actually came up with these predictions of a couple weeks ago So I feel like I've I've got something going. Anyway, let's just get to them. Um the first one There's a lot of talk recently all about this fake news fake. What's real? What's not? What is what is factual? What's not and I think what you're going to see in 2017 is you're going to see a push toward I guess what I like to call it is internet accreditation Uh something that uh that uh either a you know, like I don't you know With all this talk about apple possibly apple possibly microsoft coming forward with their next iteration of a browser that Has something built into it that shows up in the corner that says hey, you know It's like a little warning sign type thing that like hey, this is this is not internet accredited Um, I know there's a larger conversation that needs to go into that Who's going to accredit all this stuff seal of approval type of exactly sort of something like that something that sort of pops up that says hey, you know that that should come From something like, you know the society professional the journalists or something like that Something something that is is going to like cooperation. Yeah, right in a in uh in the next iteration of say a safari browser I can see something that is sort of put up in the corner as you're browsing that maybe pops up blinks that says Hey, this you know, they're not out of out coming saying that this is completely rubbish But you know, it's it's like a warning sign something that says maybe you ought to think about this before I just think I'm seeing a lot of stories about fake stuff and be like Well, because facebook's talking about branding things google's talking about Branding things and warnings and things like that. So I think it's a pretty good pretty safe prediction Something like that'll have It would have to be like if they did some kind of certification For websites, it would have to be very specific people approving those websites not an audience because Well, that's why I feel like a whole herd voting people up That might yeah Crowdsourced it would be completely swayed. Yeah, there would need to be a larger conversation about who is the The governing board that is going to say that this is accredited. That's why I was coming up with this this accreditation idea That may be built in the browsers or for other websites things like that to pop up That is independent of the site itself so that you know, they don't have to do it But your browser may actually tell you like, you know just more of kind of like a caution Just be careful not telling you. Hey, this is you know, I guess maybe it's maybe like a snopes or something for browsers I don't know. Yeah, here's here's my replacement prediction basically a sort of credibility ranking Put together by the industry itself and and I'm not talking about the tech side of things Maybe the media Industry and I don't know if it's grown up enough To actually get it sacked together and do something like this But maybe not yes or no, it's approved or not but based on past track record That these this new source is reliable or not on a scale of one to five or something like that Yeah, I mean that is something that You would be opening up A portal to hell So you want to do that like it is something that I believe is impossible to do Without immediately become At least viewed as as politicized. Yeah, I could see Something very very dry without commentary that could maybe do stuff for spamming or or or something that was scraping or aggregating or Or something like that that that might get to the heart of some of the more insidious elements of Uh just out and out sort of copy pasta This from this site that from that site like maybe you can track down some of that But man, whatever we get into this fake news The funniest thing I find about it is that it's it is a name that inherently Refers to a binary problem. It is fake. It is real and yet the issues you you can't really start talking about this without immediately getting into Oh very very very very very very very gray area. Oh, absolutely. I think it you know, I knew going into it is very It's it's a very controversial thing, but I think there's Let's let me let me let's go to be wrong Right. Oh no, somebody won't try this. It's like we remember we're talking to the we're not talking about what we want Or what we think should happen lens saying I think someone will do this And you are absolutely right somebody absolutely will and either will be the browser plugin or the the platforms themselves will start labeling it And it will only create more of the same echo chamber that everybody is trying to react to Because people that feel that they are being persecuted for this will immediately distrust it and they will flee those platforms or or demonize the service Yeah, so Len are you are you saying specifically you were not seeing like a future of a congressional kind of appointed Ministry of approved information No, no, I'm saying that this is this is independent Uh, and it's it's it's going to be something that like, you know, it could be something as simple as like what Justin said like a Like a a plugin or something that you put in that, you know, it could be something as simple as that You know, I know that it goes very it's very controversial for sure Um, very politicized But I think that we're heading in that direction What do you have browser plugins like disconnect dot me and some of the things that Remove the facebook and the other social media tracking We've talked about several plugins on the show. Yeah That we'll do this I think what Len's saying is there will be a larger movement by someone to say we're accrediting I like I like that part of your prediction to say someone will someone will come up with saying we're accrediting The national review is a reliable source Bright Bart is a reliable source. The new york times is a reliable source. We've decided which ones are reliable So tom not to open up a whole nother bag of chips here, but uh, our conversation the other day about blockchains And what they were good for is there any chance we could figure out a way to make blockchains the most faceless Biased less computerized way of verifying something Can that be twisted and used for news verification? No, damn it Can we take this beautiful technology that is based on math and apply it to Yeah, because what a blockchain says is is what justin was saying earlier Yes, or no this happened or it didn't happen and and and what we're talking about is something that is is subjective Uh, you know, we we all could most of us can agree on one end or the other of the spectrum But it's that part in between that you can't track it. You can't track a news story like that Well, I mean at at its best You are writing about Truths that are passed along from other people for their own motivations You know like like, you know if if we're talking about that story that happened several weeks ago about like the the cia and their uh Their inferences into why the the podesta hacks happen That those are either or both off the record sources from the cia talking to the washington post and others or Congress people who were in a A presentation now a chain a chain of facts blockchain is a fascinating idea I just don't know how how you would make it work in the way that news works You know guys it's really fascinating to hear all of you Discuss this and we're veering away from tech now, but we're veering away from predictions as well So what do you do it? So very quickly as an outside observer Who still lives in a world where things are somehow Objective it seems like you have Gone into a world where objectivity doesn't exist and I understand that he does not exist We need to say that they're an entirely different But I'm just Outside of the world we're talking about I think you're also uh fooling yourself All right, let's Okay My next uh, my next prediction. Once again, they're kind of tied into here, uh to one another Um, I believe in 2017 you will finally see adobe come out with a photoshop A proper photoshop for the ipad. I thought you were not going to be controversial I I I I I you know, this is only me so you know kind of Wishing that this is going to happen But I'd love to see a full photoshop for ipad and I think 2017 might be the year you see it from adobe and with that Uh, you know, we were just coming off the discussion about apple. I feel that apple Will create and introduce the ascentee killer They will introduce something that is beyond just an ipad pro But something that is actually a ascentee killer that is that will work With the uh with the current adobe product what I believe they're going to do I just want to add to that real quick because I think they're going to want to build a surface studio killer And i'm not saying that's because surface studio is going to be some magnificent success I mean early reports are that artists like us like it but Uh, I think it I think it would be really cool if apple's next move was like a 36 inch Collapsible i max style ball in one that also let me draw on the screen and have better, you know Better control of lag and that sort of thing versus ascentee. Yeah amazing. So i'm well, I think I think apple is due for displays So it would be it would be kind of cool if they were able to integrate some of that ipad into a display and create An apple product that is a scentee killer just an idea So as the third artist in the room who may have drunkenly texted tom in the middle of the night a couple weeks ago Just throw out there that it What was it tom? It was that adobe would do like a steam os a their own linux Distribution that was the creative. Yes os right not sick of os 10 or windows. Yeah, that was pretty much it Yeah, which is just as high in the sky. I feel like but we'll find out next year There you go. All right Well, that leaves me, uh, and i'm going to try to keep these as close to the the jry standard of deniability as possible here Uh, I believe by the end of 2017 an autonomous car service for consumers Will launch out of test Will not be a beta test will not be to limited air. It might it might actually be in a smaller area but you will be able to go and Reserve a ride on a consumer autonomous car service somewhere in the world Who do you think gets there first? Who do you think it's going to be? Uh, I think it could be newtonomy. I think it could be uber and I think it could be alphabet. I'm not sure which I mean the the the the smart money would be uber in pittsburgh, right? Like as as they're currently running The cars there now right and they would be easier for them to flip the switch But newtonomy is doing the same thing in singapore Sure an alphabet a couple weeks ago Uh, so it was there was the the rumor from bloomberg that that said they were planning on launching the service by the end of 2017 Yeah, I guess the question would be where and that's that's the advantage that I would assume newtonomy has in singapore And that uber certainly has in pittsburgh, which is They have a city that is very excited to be that city that does that thing Yeah, and and and uber is apparently operating outside of pittsburgh potentially we know that by december 30th The cnet took a picture of a bunch of uber cars in a warehouse in san francisco a couple weeks back So yeah, no, I think uh off. Yeah, I I would I would agree Sourcing has said that yes, that's probably happening Was it the hack five warehouse? That's the important thing hack five holding some cars We're gonna move the cars in there when I move the contenders We're just waiting for you to move the contender out so we can move the cars in from uber Because that's the arrangement of the whole time It still begs the question though if anybody would get in a driverless uber, but that's neither here nor there Well, we don't have right. I mean, I guess. Oh wait, hold on. Here's the here's the the key tom Fully autonomous so nobody in nobody with their hands on the wheel There I oh, you know what? I had this as part of my thing. It will still require a driver attendant Okay, they they will put a person in the car, but the person won't have to drive Got that will just auto of consumers Okay Right so so until people get used to the idea They're gonna want a person there, but the person will just be more of a customer service agent Yeah, I would I would bet that that feels very That feels very ubery and it also feels very Like they're just waiting to flip that switch as soon as some sort of weird regulatory or lawsuit comes their way They can just you know flip that switch and be like, oh, but look look at us. We're providing the future The next prediction is not if these ubers would have the capability to cancel your ride because that is a serious issue at this time What catching your ride with a human yes Health drivers just like randomly cancel your ride. Oh, yeah. No, the self-driving cars won't care vehicles. Yeah If they would just like cancel your ride ever. Are you nervous about robotic prejudice or something? I guess Well, she has a female name robot robot makes the same amount whether no matter how far it has to go to pick you up So I think I think you'll be good there Uh, I the internet of things is going to start marketing itself based on ai not on sensing capability So I'm saying look for intelligent things, especially ones than collab that collaborate So I think security is another thing that that internet of things is going to do But you are going to see the internet of things market itself not on Hey, we have a smart lock and a sensor for humidity. We're going to have it market itself as we can collaborate We can talk to other things and we can do stuff for you because we know your home We've seen this a million times in the demos, right? The car tells the door that your home and opens the garage door for you automatically stuff like that All right, I like that. I like the idea of collaboration between devices every time this stuff gets talked about though I I literally pictured Darren kitchen in my head saying. Oh, yeah But guess how it finds out what your ip is and how it connects to the Like I feel like I feel like that stuff's going to get stifled in 2017 Like people are now getting afraid of internet of things and they're gonna they're going to think that You know their security camera being able to talk to their garage door openers Is actually making them exposed Um true or not. I feel like that might be the opinion and that controls markets a lot So I hope you're right because I love that stuff, but That's funny tom because Scott because my my head goes completely the other direction thinking about In terms of like the comic kind of thing of your alexa starts talking to your google home and says google home. Will you You know Exactly and I just actually imagine them like not using udp or tcp or any other You know connectivity means but actually In the air and you're just like, you know, I have to separate these guys because they're just fighting all the time Well, I think we're going to see the collaboration in little silos, right? Like we're in the avs system We're in the google system. You know, we're in the seri home kit system and we can all talk to each other here But we can't talk across these platforms Uh, finally augmented reality is going to overtake vr The launch of the hollow lens will be the test of my prediction But the hollow lens is going to launch and that's going to get all the attention Wow, I like that one. So, um What are your what are your thoughts on? Well, will it be just a step toward mixed reality so that we we're we're not Microsoft calls it but I augmented reality and mixed reality. It kind of depends on who you ask whether there's even a difference Okay, are you talking about attention or dollars because how do you quantify that? I'm talking my prediction is the hollow lens will launch and it will sell better than any of the vr headsets Hmm I'm not sure. I feel like you know, like it's cvr getting relegated to you know, kind of the gaming Aspect of it, but I feel like there's a lot of dollars there What what what would be the leader in the clubhouse there by 2017? Like maybe I mean PlayStation vr oculus if if they become xbox Uh Compatible like I think everybody wants a hollow lens if people just stopped buying vr in 2017 Okay, but price points matters, right? So where do you think it has to be on price like 399? 399 I'm going to sell that way short. I'm selling I'm selling hollow lens so short I'm not I'm actually I I don't want to pin my prediction on that price I only came up with that off the top of my head because scott said something about it No, I mean like like come on with its tiny little field of view It's just adorable little, you know, like television 80 feet away field of view. Come on, man It's gonna have a bigger field of view and it finally launches Yeah, I don't know man. I don't know. I I I appreciate your bold take But uh, but but I would if I could if I could bet against it. I would all right. Well, you can feel free Go for it. Uh, all right, uh, we are done And sadly, uh, patrick bezia had to leave and he left right before we started to wrap up So thank you patrick bezia for joining us. Go check out frenchspin.com Start your year off right subscribe to the filious club and pixels and the rendezvous tech and all the other fine offerings there Let's finish up with lens drawing for us going into 2017. It's it's a christmas tree. Oh, no What is that? No, you know, uh, this kind of goes hand in hand with my predictions about you know Bleakness and darkness about things happening for next year. Um, yeah, you know, I wanted to do something that was the previous years For prediction shows i've done, you know, santa and happy things This is sort of a reaction to the year 2016 and and what kind of a year it was not just in tech Although there are some some bad things that happen in tech But just in general, uh, it's the uh, it's uh, it's you know in keeping with the theme of christmas It's the ghost of christmas future Uh, who happens to be 2017 and uh, and he has those two children underneath his his little robe Their ignorance and want and ignorance of course is looking at his phone and want is Reaching for the vr Uh, the vr headset there, so But for a hollow lens for the end of that Probably but yeah, so yeah, it's kind of dark very dark very bleak So tell so tell me this as a big fan of the christmas carol Are these the visions of what must be or only what may be? Oh, I guess we're just gonna have to find that out. I can't predict the future It is up to us. If our courses remain unchanged. Will the child die? This is you know, this is getting a little bit deep here a little bit heavy for for for a for a for a friday afternoon drawing Uh, so yeah, I mean actually people probably uh have seen this up at lemperaltestore.com But if you haven't go check it out Yeah, it's going to be up there. Uh, it's up there right now as a matter of fact And you can go grab it and have been able to grab for the past couple weeks. So uh, so happy new year everybody Yay Once again as I've said on most of these shows uh huge thanks to everyone Who makes it possible for us to do this show as we head into our fourth year Of daily tech news show. Uh, I don't know how to possibly thank everyone who supports the show Whether it's on patreon or paypal or the store or wherever Uh, you guys are the best and I couldn't do it without this crew as I said thanks again to patrick bezia An in absentia thanks to veronica belmont and let's go around the table of the of the folks here Darren kitchen shannon morse hack five. Uh, what do you got to leave people with as we head to the new year? bloopers Yes, that's that's about it Hack your holidays episode of hack five Well, we blooper our way into the new year. No, we we've been doing some pretty cool stuff recently on hack five We just talked about photogrammetry with 3d mapping of a topography, which was very very cool And um, we also did a whole series where we showed people how to use a usb rubber ducky to exfiltrate documents Which was pretty cool documents for the new year folks HAK 5.org Thank you guys for joining us. Thank you. Everybody go and check out shannon on threat wire. She is killing it Absolutely hundred percent Justin robber young what about yourself? Oh, well, you know, you can find everything that I do at patreon.com slash j u r y but You know, I'll just keep this short and simple This has been probably the most extraordinary year of my life and and so much of it has been a part of Talking with you guys each and every day and and I know for for all these episodes. There's always a lot of fun you know joshing around and ball busting and joking But this is the kind of stuff that I love I cherish so much gets to be my job and I want to thank everybody for uh, let me do that Agreed with that scott johnson. What about you? Oh I'm trying to keep things simple this holiday season. So there's not too many crazy things going on but every year I do a santa doodle for 25 days leading up to christmas If you want to follow that because it's nice and fun and makes you forget the 2016 was kind of a bummer Uh, in a lot of ways except for the show is great. Uh, go and check it out I'm over on instagram with those photos you can find a bad and time lapse Photography of them being created in a lot of cases at instagram and you can find me as actual scott over there All in word actual scott Uh, big thanks to jenny josephson our senior advisor for helping out throughout the year Roger chang behind the scenes here taking notes making sure we have all these predictions logged for the coming year I don't know if he's trying even to unmute his his mic to say hello But uh, big thanks to roger for stepping in and taking over this year And uh, and even making a big move in the middle of it and keeping the plane running. Thank you roger He's he's waving you're welcome You're welcome. Sorry my kid. Oh, there we go. 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