 Yeah, cause last week we were, you had to juggle a lot, saw a lot of different stuff, a lot of different guys out there including Darren making his first NFL start. What was that process like? It's like, anytime you got to make all those day gun changes, whether it be injury or COVID or whatever, it was, you know, we struggled at some spots. You know, we tried to, for the first time all year, match up AJ on digs. And as I've told you in the past, that's not always the easiest thing to do. You know, and we struggled with it sometimes. We had some guys get lined up late. We had an uncommonly number of missed tackles, which killed us in a run game. We had 15 of them and we haven't had 15 in three games usually. We had 11 missed assignments and just all that a little bit because we were trying to change some things around to try to get the best matchups we could. But when you try to do that, it's not the norm. It's not what you practice for a year. You try to do it thinking it's going to give you the best chance. I don't think it necessarily did. You know, they didn't hurt us in the passing game. We got picks. We got some things. We did some good things there. It really hurt us in the run game. We ended up with some bad run force situations on the edge. And that contributed sometimes to the guys being out of position, which gave them bad angles, which made them miss tackles. It's just, it wasn't, you know, I've said it in the past. I don't like to do it. And I wish I hadn't done it even in that one. Well, we did well in the past game. The matchup, AJ, on Diggs wasn't a problem because I don't know how many catches he had, but it never felt like that was ever a problem. I mean, he caught a couple. But the problem with it is when you do that, then somebody else has to figure out who they got. You know, you got two other DBs, there are corners in there, a nickel and a corner, and they're young. You know, we had Sheffield who's playing for the first time, then you got Darren starting, you know, and Sean is back there and a lot of new guys. And even though we thought it was maybe the best way to do it in retrospect, I don't know if it was, because what happened was we just, it wasn't the passing game. It was a running game that ended up hurting us because we had some guys get lined up late and meanwhile the ball's being snapped and run around the edge and we don't have anybody there to help the defensive end. You know, whenever you try to help somebody, you're hurting somebody, you're putting another load on somebody else and they got a good running scheme, got a really good running scheme, a really good running game. And a quarterback really hurt us. And that was something that we, that was the biggest emphasis going into the game was take care of the quarterback and we didn't do it. We did it in the passing game. We didn't do it in the running game. Had chances of sacking him on a 3rd and 8th, you know, to get off the field on the first score. We should be off at least, you know, hold him to a field goal. We didn't, we missed a tackle. It just, you know, just disappointed in the running game, disappointed in myself, just thinking through, just saying, I know better. And I tried to do it and it didn't work very well. What do you think Darren handled in his first start most of the day? Okay. I mean, he just, he's a rookie. I mean, you know, he's playing a really good football team. We weren't playing some slouch, you know, and not that there is a slouch. But I'm just saying that, you know, he did okay. He did okay. And for him and all the rookies in the defense, how do you think they've handled their first season adjusting to what you guys have been doing for a minute? I'm pleased with them. Actually, they've made some mistakes like, like every player has. And they're typical rookie mistakes. But here's the thing about it is that, you know, from the get go from the very first time I talked to you guys, you know, this is not an easy system that they're learning. But we have made a lot of growth. So I'm expecting going into next year that that growth will really pay off for us. And so, you know, you take your lump sometimes learning the system, but then now you don't have to, you know, like Richie, Darren, all those guys don't have to relearn the system. They've been through it. And so hopefully, you know, starting out next year, it's not going to be like, you know, brand new to them. There are going to be a lot of carryover. And hopefully with COVID ever gets gone, we'll have a spring and all that kind of stuff and meet with them and do all that kind of stuff that it'll pay off in the long run. It'll pay off. I'm pleased overall with all of them. You talk about that growth and this will probably be the last chance that we get to talk to you as the season winds down. I mean, how, I know you talk about them understanding the scheme, but in what ways have you seen this defense evolves from what you maybe thought this defense would be in training camp early in the season and now what it is today? Oh, I've seen big strides. You know, we're on a 12 game streak of having a turnover in every game in the last 12 games. You know, the thing that we just got to get better, I've seen tremendous strides from early in the season where it seemed like pretty much whatever you called, there was one guy making a mistake somewhere. Whereas now there's a lot of calls and nobody's making a mistake. You know, we're making some plays. The thing that we just really got to develop in the offseason and before next year is the ability to rush the passer and not always have to pressure to do it. And number two is to be able to play man coverage better in the back end and because it's kind of a two fold thing. If you don't get to the quarterback, that means the secondaries hung out there forever and that's not good. On the other hand, if you can't play man coverage at some point in time in this league, I mean, you're just going to have to. So it's those two things to me that we really have to develop before next year. It's not now learning the system. It's now being able to actually have the ability to play man coverage and to actually be able to rush the passer without it being a pressure. Those are the two things that just have got to get better next season. Do you develop those things with experience or do you have to do it through personnel? Both, all things. You know, I just, I can go back to so many players. I can watch so many players on film now watching. I watched guys rush the passer and I'll guarantee you the coach didn't coach them. The guys got talent. I mean, we did a lot of things. We did a lot of things. Sugs you'd go, oh no, fact, you know, it's like, you know, he took the, didn't go to the side that he was supposed to or whatever and then he sacked the quarterback. It wasn't exactly coaching, you know, didn't make Ray Lewis, didn't make Terrell Suggs. Those guys made themselves. We just, I didn't screw them up, but it's just, it's both. They just, we got to develop the talent that we have, whether it changes, you know, every team changes in the off season. Like I told the players yesterday or in our meeting actually today, you know, this won't be the same team next year that's sitting out here right now. It never is. I don't care whether you win the Super Bowl, you have a good season, bad season, average season, doesn't really matter. No team, I think the Bucks are about the only one I've ever heard of, Tampa Bay, that actually got everybody back. Here we won the Super Bowl in 2012. We lost seven players off that defense. It's starters. I mean, they all got contracts and two of them retired. So it's, you know, it's just, it's going to be with probably different talent and it's also going to be us doing a better job of coaching and getting them to do the things we need to do. I was watching Grady Jarrett's mic'd up from a few weeks ago and there was one moment where there were three guys on him and he said, damn, you can't block anybody else or you don't want to block anybody else. And that actually, there really was a play a couple of weeks ago in Detroit. I think it was Detroit, right? It's like, I was the thing up. They got somebody ought to be free. I mean, there's three guys on him. We actually did make a decent play on it though. So if they block three of them and leave somebody go, that's fine by me. As a coordinator, when you have a guy like Grady Jarrett who is getting double teamed at the rate of what he's being double teamed, is there anything that you can do to free him up or is just one of those things where it's like the respect that he has in the league, people know what he brings to the table? We've tried. I mean, if you notice, there's been some times we've played him outside on some things and try to rush him from outside and try to keep him away from the big guys inside. But it's kind of inherent to his position that you play in there and you're good. They're going to double team you. And the thing that you got to be able to do is be able to put somebody usually next to them that they got to also worry about. It's like anything. You know, if you play beside Aaron and Donald, you got a good chance you're going to end up one-on-one. If you play beside Suggs, good chance they're turning the protection that way. So if you're the other end, you know, then you got a pretty good chance getting one-on-one. I mean, one year, I can't even remember what it was, 13 or 14, we had Suggs on one side and Elvis Doomerville on the other side. Well, Doomerville ended up with 17 sacks. Guess why? You know, now Suggs ended up with 13, so it wasn't too bad. But the point was is that we just need more. We need to develop past rushers and that'll help Jared if he, all the stress isn't necessarily put on him. And we have tried to do some things to free him up. A lot of our zone pressures are, we put him in different spots so we can try to get him one-on-one. And sometimes it'll work, sometimes it doesn't. You probably haven't had time to say, yes, whether this generation of players quote-unquote loves football. I wonder, you've been doing this for a while, what's your take on the decisions? I'd love to tell you, but it wouldn't be fair. It wouldn't, it would not, just I'd love to tell you, but the truth of it is it wouldn't do me any good to say something because then players are going to take that as either one thing either I like it or I don't. But in either case, I don't think either one of them is going to benefit me as a coach when the players hear this press conference. You know, there's just things when you guys ask things just like asking about players. I'm always thinking about if I'm the player, how would I like to hear my, what would I like to hear my coach say? And if I'm a young generation player, the last thing I want to hear is some coach say that we're a bunch of softies or they weren't this or that, I don't believe that. I think it's all individual. I think it's, hey, there's some guys that are and there's some guys that aren't. There's some guys that are motivated by just the game of football and there's some guys that are motivated by money and there's some guys that are motivated, I don't know what everybody's motivation is. There's coaches too. Now I'll tell you about the coaches. Because I think the younger generation of coaches feel a little entitled. Yeah, I think they're spoiled. I think they, hey, go work in a high school, go work in a Division III school where you got to mow the grass, you got to align the field, you got to do all those things and you'll appreciate what you have when you have it. Instead of being 25 years old and wondering why I'm not a coordinator already in the NFL. Okay, I went to the NFL at 55 years old. I was a high school coach, I was a Division III coach, I was in the Mac as a coach. I didn't go to New England until I was 55 years old. And so I felt like I paid my dues and I feel like it made me a better coach, made me a better teacher. I was a school teacher, I learned how to teach, not just stand out. I look at guys now and they can't stand up in front of the room and talk to people. They can't, they got to get on the computer. Everything's computerized, it's still a people's game. Players want to talk to you, they want to hear from you. It's not that, I still do everything in writing. I don't do all my own breakdowns. I don't ask some quality control guy to do it. Everybody gets on a computer for two years and thinks they ought to be a coach. It's not mad in football. It has to deal with people. It's like all the analytics there, everybody talks about this and that and you should do this, you should do that. The computer told you that. When did the computer know what the weather was, whether it was raining, whether the wind was blowing, whether you were playing good on defense? Okay, they say, well, it's a two-point game, should you go for it on 4th down? Well, I don't know, is it score 42 to 40 or 6 to 3? It makes a difference. If you're playing great defense, then maybe they're playing great defense, don't. If they're playing a lousy defense, yes. Peter doesn't tell you that. So it's kind of that way to me in coaching. Players want to be coached. They do. They do. All of them want to be coached. They want to be good. They want to be coached. They want to be told what to do and how to do it and correct them and talk to them and be honest with them. And I just don't feel in this generation sometimes the coaches that they have very good personal relationships with players. I love my players. I always love my players. Everybody asks me, who's your favorite player? I go, all of them. All of them. Anybody that played for me is my favorite player. So to me, that's what you learn over the course of 48 seasons is, you know, to just go coach them and be personal with them and care about them. You know, and I just, anymore, it's how fast can I climb the ladder? I didn't climb up very fast, but I feel good about the way I did it. So long story short. We like long stories. That's all right. Anything else? I don't want to get all deep on you here, but now that you've been back in the game for a full season, have you enjoyed it? Oh, absolutely. Love it. Love Arthur, staff, players. I appreciate these players so much. They are given everything they got. They really are. And what else can you ask of somebody? I mean, in work, whether it be your profession, whatever you do, all you can ask is somebody give you what they got. And these guys give us what they got. And so do the coaches. I love the staff. This is an older staff now, you know, in defense. And I like it that way because I know how they've come up and how all that stuff. And we got some young assistant coaches who are learning from some older coaches, which is a great thing. I mean, Arthur's put together a great staff. And I absolutely loved it. Love the area. Love Atlanta. Love it. You guys good? Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you guys.