 You do 27 and a half, but how much time did they give you actually? I was sentenced to life. I was sentenced to die in prison. He was sentenced to die in prison. To die in prison. How do you end up out? Oh, man. Man. I went to prison, and man, all I can say is God bless me. Yeah, we on boss talk one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gonna talk. But let's go back. I don't want you going to prison yet. I want to talk about you basically even to get locked up. What did they get you for? I was charged with second-degree murder. Second-degree murder? Yes. What was it? Did they get you right or wrong? They had me wrong. OK, so at the end of the day, was it someone that just picked you and said you was the one? Or was it something where you was in a vicinity? Or did they just charge you with the wrong charge? Yes, I was basically overcharged. OK. It was a manslaughter, because everything that happened was like in the heat of the moment of what they charged you with the murder. That's what they used to do then, overcharge you. I had been to the Paris three different times for different same kind of charges, three different times. And it wasn't by coincidence. It just was set up like that. Matter of fact, after the second time that I got arrested, the homicide detective told me, look, you'll be back. We ain't gonna never take your picture now. You'll be back. Me, not really knowing what's going on. I'm really like, man, what are you talking about? Not really understanding what he actually saying to me. Not understanding that. So I'm like, man, go ahead. Man, you got me bad now. And guess what? I had can't write back. So like I said, the system was set up to hold us back. But we don't know we young and unconscious. We plan again that we don't even understand the rules to. What? But my question was, if this is a cycle that's been going on for generations, right? And as a kid, you've seen all the people who came out and like, man, you need to quit. Are you going to be in there just like me? Right. Why do we keep falling back into that same cycle? Because as a kid, you're easily incorrigible. People may tell you, look, don't do this, don't do that. But what you're seeing is more prevalent than what people telling you, right? Because, all right, they said that you don't start to mature until you're 25 years old. I believe that. Because you're incorrigible when you were a kid. Like people telling you one thing, but what you're seeing every day. Who getting all the girls? Who getting all the money? Who getting all the things? And I hear what you're saying, but everything I'm seeing right here is telling me something different. And you see the risk. You see people dying. You see people in prison. You see all the risks that come with it. Right. But at a young age, you ain't even be able to comprehend it as you are when you get to being a thug. So when your mind mature, you start being responsible. You don't know many people that's sturdy that just jumped off the porch. Right. OK, you do 27 and a half years. But how much time did they give you actually? I was sentenced to life. I was sentenced to die in prison. He was sentenced to die in prison. To die in prison. How do you end up out? Oh, man. Man. I went to prison. And man, all I can say, bruh, is God bless me. Because I learned some things for real. I studied the law for real. I started studying the law for real. Right? So then I went to kind of like understand what's going on. So I went to like helping other people who were similar situated. So I used to always feel like, look, I'm versed in the state of Louisiana as a relation is legal thing. Because I felt like, look, y'all took advantage of me when I knew what's going on. But now I know what's going on. Now I ain't going to let you do it to nobody else. So every day in prison, that's how I live. I live to help people. I live to make people's situation better. Because I was talking to the young people that was coming to the prison. And I knew they didn't even understand the situation that they fell in right there. So I was there to kind of be like, all right, look. Let me try to give you some game. Let me show you just how wicked this stuff is for real. And they had other brothers kind of like blessing them with different kind of literature and stuff like that. What I was doing is blessing them with a legal aspect. I'm showing them, look, this how I go for real. These things that you need to know as a relation to your situation. How you wind up in the situation or how you could possibly get out of the situation. What was the worst case that you've seen? We'll get to you. What was the worst case that you've seen that you helped a person that came into prison that was confined? And you've seen that it wasn't done right and you was able to help them? Man, it was a lot of them. I wanna hear the worst one. Man, I can't, I don't have a- One of the ones that stick out to you. Oh, all right, yeah, definitely. All right, I was at a trustee camp, right? Which is Camp F. And they had a guy that I know, I'ma call him C. He had been down like 30 years at the time, right? And he kept saying, man, I want you to look at my case, buff. I want you to look at my case. I want you to look at my case. I'm like, man, you've been in prison all this time. You just want somebody to look at your case. He said, but I don't got all kind of people to look at my case, bro. But man, they say they can't help me. So he go get his case. He was on a murder charge. Matter of fact, he didn't even did the murder. He didn't did the murder come to find out. But at the time, he just really like, man, I'm just trying to see what's going on. So when I read his transcripts, I'm reading his transcripts, I'm like, hold up, bro. I see that they started your trial. And then in the middle of your trial, they changed your charge to something else. He like, yeah, they did that. I'm like, they can't do that. I'm like, because the reason that they give you an indictment is to put you on top of a charge that they're gonna charge you before you can prepare defense. You can't change lanes once the trial starts. The trial starts with Valdar, meaning when they pick the jury. They did it in Valdar. And I'm like, man, you ain't pulled to be here right now because of this issue right here. And he like, man, nobody ever told me this in 30 years. I see that mean, whoever you let look at your situation, they kind of like, ain't knew what was going on, bro. Everybody who, who profess to know, don't mean they know for real. And you know, and a lot of people just didn't turn to research or whatever like that. So I was able to help the brother out. And he was able to get out of the prison. Wow. From the time you talked to him to the time he got out, how long was it? Probably was about six months. Six months you got him out? That's quick. God blessed him. I always say God bless the brothers. He just used me to bless them. That's right. Six months. So in that case, did he have to use his lawyer? You know, you brought information to him. Did he have to go to his lawyer? No, no, no, no, no, he had to go to court. Yeah. By himself? By himself? Yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh, you can do that. You can do it yourself. Oh, okay. Yes, it's like what we call in Louisiana is like a post-conviction. It's post-conviction relief. In a post-conviction, you proceed. You can actually get a lawyer, but you're not afforded a lawyer, you know, you're not guaranteed a lawyer. But if you can afford one, you can get one. Most people can't. In six months you get this guy, did he get to come home? How old is he? Do you remember? Man. During this time he was probably like 50. Something like that. He was probably like 50. Okay. And this was, how long ago was that? Man, it was like in 2010. Okay, I wonder if he's still alive. That was like a 20, I don't know. Do you keep contact with these people? No, no, no, I, you know, now that I'm home now, I run across a whole lot of guys that I was blessed to help and every time they see me, whoever they were, they'd be like, this the dude right here, this the one that helped me or whatever like that. In prison, I never knew how much it really meant until I came home. Not only that I helped a guy, I affected families. You know, I brought families back together. You know, I see it now because I'm doing the same work now for the public defender's office. And I get a chance to really actually see it. I get a chance to see families reunite. In prison, I just took it for granted. It was just like I'm doing what I was supposed to be doing.