 Hello everybody, if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer weekly joining me As always is my co-host Tyler. What's up, brother? How you doing? Good to be here everybody Good to have you back again When will Tom return? Who knows only? Only zinch knows much like zinch Tom has a plan for the future in the past But never the present, but that's okay We have got a man who I love having on the show one of my favorite human beings in the entire world Mr. Hey, woe twitch. What's up, brother? How you doing? Yo I knew that Joe would be somebody that I loved for all time. I'm not afraid to say that Joe here on on the stream When within five seconds of meeting each other We were talking about the history of magic riffs D&D and then Warhammer and I was like well, I see we have completely overlapping interests fantastic It just so happens we have the correct opinion about everything which is kind of helpful exactly exactly. That's nice So tonight we're gonna be discussing the big FAQ and it's gonna be We're gonna get into that the deep dive on it It is going to in fact be big as everyone in the chat is currently saying Record a number of slide counts. Do you got you got a record? This is probably a record number of slides. Yes, excellent It is 60 slides. Yes, although It's including two titles. So maybe 58 and You count the titles apologies to that one dude on Twitter. It will not be an hour show Yes, I love yes, that was a good guy But he was like come on please an hour and I'm like you type that out a lot It's not gonna happen my friend. It's not gonna happen if we spent one minute and one second on every slide It would be more than an hour So I'm thinking though And that's without doing news or pick of the week or hobby time or anything speaking of which What do we got in the news? We actually have some news this week. We do let's do it We got a rumor engine we do it's up on the screen. It's probably a 40k thing, but maybe Maybe it isn't but it probably is probably is my guess would be Maybe something to do with Don bringer crusades sure like he may be like an ornamentation or some sort Yeah, the the hope right is if it's a OS Then it's a dawn bringer crusade thing the next iteration of the cities of sigmar where they they go out from the cities and into the Wilderness and we get a new take on them I would love it if they just completely redid the entire city's book and it was just totally different and You just didn't play from cities anymore and said you just played dawn bringer crusades And now there were seven different types of dawn bringer crusades that all had different sub faction rules And they just reinvented like so same sort of thematic structuring But they just reinvented the whole concept Just sure just keep finding interesting ways to use these old figs and just completely turn it on its head Yeah, and they could even be from the cities right so you can keep the same world building The one of the really nice things about original cities was that it had actual world building in it, right? Right, and these are places they exist. Hey, it's not just a gray expanse, right? Yes Yeah, exactly completely agreed. So like I hope we keep having cities just open up the world for us in new and interesting ways, right? I like it's it's such a good place for us to sort of experience the world because it is Cities are effectively like our as the players avatar as opposed in the world right in reality Because it's just a bunch of people like us trying to make it in a dangerous world All right What else we got? Cool. So I was over here to talk about the big facts a big fact drop this week or I guess technically last week and We have a compilation. We're gonna link if anybody just wants to see everything and one big PDF Thanks to the Rolling Bad podcast. It's got everything you need right there in one link and that is linked down below Yep, nice So yeah, I'm gonna be talking about that's nothing much more to say there Vince I see you've got here. I haven't read this yet the Broken Realms short story this week I heard it was bangin get hype son get hype So there's two broken realms fictions that have been released Yeah, the first one is about cool boys, and I don't care Okay, it's the one that's like out on the website. Hmm. Whatever. It's fine. I think it's not bad It's just it's fine. It's like are you are you skimming over the one that featured ogres? Are we hand-waving I am because it's like swamp boggler stories are fine. Yeah But it's fine, and we just yeah, we totally jobbed in that story didn't we correct So I don't like it. Yeah, we lost so I don't like it the the good ogre story is obviously the thing that happened in Cragnos like I don't did you read the story in Cragnos Joe? Nope. It's okay. I won't this isn't too spoiler heavy I'll just say this real quick basically Skragrock goes out and finds a whole mercenary force of ogres They're just kind of chillin in the area like near where the destruction armies are moving He kind of goes out. He's like, hey, you're a bunch of mercenary ogres, right? They're like, yeah, we you know we we just kill people for food and money He's like great go to the city and offer your services, and then when we come attack You're gonna turn on them And so he just sends them in and they all show up like they sail into port or whatever Just a bunch of ogres dock in the city and you know ogres have this their destruction But they have this kind of neutral place in the world where they can be Things that people just hire right and be they can be friends with the other races in interesting ways And so the heads of the city are just like, oh, hey, are you guys mercenaries? Do you want to fight for us? And they're like, uh, yes, and so they get paid twice for the same job Hey That's right. You can big brain play Get paid first, I like it. So at any rate the new story the one that we need to get For is the one that just came out in email today if you're like subscribed to the thing and In that one it's basically a story about a little Skink priest or whatever and his stars his stars here, buddy And the two of them are like going through this a spaceship temple like it's so it's so sci-fi It's so ridiculous because he takes him through this temple and there's like, you know Soros guards everywhere like I'm standing like they're walking through this this star destroyer basically, right? hmm and They come to a room and the star seer is like he like a Pillar lifts up and it's got an egg on it and it hatches or whatever Hatches in the story, but it's got a drake in it like one of the dracotheans one of the race that Kragnos thought he completely wiped out. Oh the dragoneth. Yeah, whatever they're called. Yeah, that's like that Yeah, and the I'm just totally spoiling the story. I don't Like I don't care. I'm sorry, but this is just a little short story and And he goes and the kids like you remade Dragoff or whatever they're called, you know and the stars here is like no No, of course not and then the like spaceship doors open to a big massive room And he's like we remade the race Oh sweet and Then he and so then the story says well, where are they gonna go? Well, how are they gonna like what do we do with them, right? hmm and He says put them on the web store. What's that? We put them on the web store exactly put them up on Etsy good times and And he says well, we need somebody they're not, you know, they're new they're a new race They need somebody who can who can show them the ways of like the world as it were and take proper care of them And then he shows malice the heart of space station Sigmar and the great orbit and he's like here We will find children who know who are bonded to to Dracothean who will use them appropriately so basically they just set up that like you wanted dragon riders You got dragon riders, baby I am like it's been rumored for Stormcast forever and this just set it up like completely like yes We are gonna give you new Drake riding Stormcast and I am Very excited about it. Very excited about it. It just had to happen, right? Yes. Oh, yeah Dragnos comes out. He hates all dragons except apparently actually dragons Sure doesn't hate them on his war sprawl, right, but everything dragon adjacent not okay And then you look at the whole game and you're like, okay, what's dragon adjacent in this game basically nothing All right. Well, so we're gonna have to have dragons eventually and I'm pleased LDR, I'm pleased dragons are sweet AOS has had a noted lack of dragons for entirely too long Oh, yeah, we need a redo as well a second take on that star Drake. We had a few issues with sure sure I'm sure it looks very nice in real life if you've painted it I would like a Big old like Jeff easily kind of dragon, you know, yeah, get it from the right angle. It's pretty sweet But yeah, there's a lot of bad angles on that thing. Oh, yeah, here's why I'm doubly excited for this This is this is just me being indulgent, but you'll forgive me for a moment Please dear audience forgive me for just a moment in fifth edition Warhammer Monsters didn't work like they do now or like they have for probably most people's experience in Warhammer Where monsters are part of sort of an army there were some unique monsters in armies that like only that army had But there was a sort of monstrous arcanum if you will yeah That just had wyverns and manticores and all the kind of like traditional fantasy Monsters if you will like the grab bag of we read the D&D book monster manual also monsters and And the And in that you could just buy those monsters and put them in your army You just have any hero from any army writing some monster. Okay, sweet so I had converted a scaven to ride a wyvern and I had surprise indeed And so I had a rat on a dragon events put a rat on it put a rat on it And so now that I'm doing my rat cast and they're giving me back my dragons 20 years later It has come full circle and I could not but rat plus dragon equals win. That's all I'm saying. That's the story here Yeah, good conclusion. Thank you I'll come back around. All right. What else we got? All right, let's see we had some new models drop Over the weekend you did a show with one and only Marty Orlando who knocked out of the park You need to have him do those shows not me much better He's the new codes for anything dealing with models or painting or yeah, not me So yeah, that was fantastic. What'd you guys? Well, I know what you thought Vince. Yeah, I'll shut up like Joe You go. What did you think of the new stuff? They they revealed I brought a big hammer or captain man on the screen now By the way for everybody. He's got some good Historical and film takes as well. I've noticed an art. Look look come in Sorry, Joe Lord Lord. He didn't say Lord Commander Professor badass official title. Yeah, the first time I saw this dude It reminded me of the meme from Many years ago. It was an old meme both fine one of Professor badass and the resemblance is pretty striking exact same pose similar colors, right? it is totally sweet I have No aesthetic complaints about him because he is huge good menacing sort of walk his two-handed weapon is off to the side just proper for a model and Nice big beard well trimmed to know little spindly bits on the end of it glowing eyes. I Believe he is the leader of the Hammers of Sigmar, which is yeah before been the default most boring vanilla rolling your eyes Subfaction of some cast internals. What's suddenly? What's the meme what the WTF I like stormcast now sure like whoa, I like hammer to signal Sigma now They're great because now they have this humongous awesome like leader guy. Yeah more interesting I think that said for damage on that hammer. Yeah, it's always powerful as a Giants Club. Yeah, it's better than Galmaras It's stronger than a Giants Club, you know, yeah, but I can't I feel like I Shouldn't meme on them when they finally do it right for once. So I guess I'll call it good Keep doing that. I Could have sworn my Lore isn't a hundred percent haven't read the Kragnos thing. I only read the the summary on the Warhammer page but I Could have sworn that Vandis Hammerhand was the was the leader of the Hammers of Sigmar, but Is he like second in command instead or like leader in all but name No, he was the he was the Lord Celestons But he was like preeminent among the Lord Celestons But he was the leader of the expeditionary force the first one and that had a name I don't remember what it was actually called, but they sent the Hammers first and like of that Like he was basically the leader of like the 101st Airborne Division or something Okay, but he's not like our general in charge of it on the field this guy's the fourth. Okay. Yeah I don't disagree with that by the way, this guy's huge and cooler Therefore, obviously he should be in charge because that's how you determine those things He's awesome. I want to buy him and paint him even though I don't play stormcast. It's sweet Yes, like I this dude is going to be like I'm getting this dude to be if they only have him in hammers And I probably won't play hammers, but who knows? I I Am definitely buying him just to be a Lord Celestons right like just to be the the new Lord Celeston like how do you use the normal Lord Celeston? Sculpt when you've got this guy in what universe do you look at that other guy and go this is my choice? Yeah, mr. Whippy hammer cloaks versus this guy. No get out of here Yeah, if you put the Lord Celeston on foot like right next to him It is it's the perfect 511 versus six foot name you've ever seen right right yeah The opposite of the end of this spectrum for me. I mean no offense to the sculptor Apologies in advance that night rellector was doing nothing for me With this little I didn't like it at all with his fanny pack. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I Was I was re-streaming the because when Warhammer TV does those live reveals I just stream it and then we all like me man What's happening or approve of it whichever make bingo cards and stuff when that guy came up? I instantly thought of a joke and was about to call him I was about to say what are you a night rellector? It was supposed to be a joke like this guy's kind of lame And he has a little bit of a similar style and then they're they're just like no, that's that's what he is Okay, oops You'd be cooler if you weren't So what about the cruel boys, what do you think of those Jeff? Um, I got to admit on a personal taste basis. Yeah cruel boys from T equals zero. I have I sleep I've been Just resident sleeper on them Hey a new destruction entire army nice. Oh, it's yet more green orcs. That's what we needed even more orcs great They're very very inspired by Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings Which I I mean, all right Weird legs sculpts are fine. It's just the weird legs. Don't do it I don't like the little cartoony tiny leg big top body like we're in Popeye or something it doesn't ruin it for me because They're very nice models I'm just totally not like interested in them and then we got this second wave now And they're like no, no, no, don't worry specifically. Hey, well, they have big stuff, too Sure. Oh, okay. So they got big stuff. All right, we're good. We're up to five point one out of ten for me And some of the big stuff is kind of cool looking man catcher isn't Crocodilian kind of the big monsters sweet helmets on the dudes riding them actually Rather like it It's telling me last night that they want to paint the head without the headpiece in a style of a beetle juice Like sandworm sure Yeah Or the one where the the mouth opens really hot really wide and there's like two little eyes in there I can't remember what what's seen A little bit reminiscent of that perhaps with the scraggly hair and everything Yeah, I know a lot of war shrines are suddenly going to be carried aloft by much less Fugly-looking wiggly dude Absolutely But yeah, so we got a lot of models clearly not everything yet We have I thought the vigilors also were quite sweet You know those scouts style archers for storm cast and and that you guys talked about the head The heads that they're doing are just amazing. Yeah on a lot of these. Yeah, so Yeah, great work there and of course we're getting the battle tomes Apparently pre-order August so would guess probably early August Both of the orc. Yeah, orc work lands and storm cast eternal is going to pre-order So yeah crowboys swan bogglers will be in the in the war clans As you've been saying please once again, just copy and paste iron. Yeah. Yeah. This is actually battle-tomb iron Jaws everybody else is just hanging on the coattails. So Yeah, that's all we say about the I will say about the storm cast though is Boy, I really like almost all the new storm cast stuff And I really like the new liberators that aren't liberators 100,000 units Yes, which is troubling but it's very difficult for a new player to chew through that much spaghetti and Now there's even more and I guess they're just they're just will always be more And we're just gonna have to deal with the fact that there's gonna be a hundred thousand storm cast And so I moved to mines. I really like the new ones And it fixes a lot of my problems that made me not like the originals and now there's a hundred thousand and four I Guess Yeah, kind of is what it is and Will continue to be I do wonder if we're gonna get a chamber with these and drink on it Is that I know we've got the extremists already. So maybe that's what we're getting set up for Be more extremist people. Yeah, we can always just stay in an existing chamber, right, right Yeah Dechamber sounds pretty cool Absolutely and Then it's a lot we're getting the storm cast coin and that noted here, you know, he's interested in that Electable coin. Yeah, yeah, you got to catch them all if you're that person at this point You could be up to the point where you have enough of them to make them your objectives on a game and have different ones There you go. Yeah. Yeah, so Bill Costello get your coin, buddy Bill gets absolutely everything that man's collection is insane and Last but certainly not least the heroes in the community that we simply do not deserve Tony P of War Scroll Builder and Davis Davis Ford sorry Davis have you say your first name of AOS reminders both have been updated Raider Rock for 3.0 a round of applause to those two gentlemen Yes Hit like right now if you want for Tony and Davis, they'll know I'll forward the likes over to them. It's it's don't worry It's not you're not actually liking the show. You're liking their updates. It's cool Yeah, I mean amazing since they drop that update and there's like a couple little minor problems Tony already acknowledged that like yeah, okay, we there's some errors in there He's you know, he's he's collecting them. He'll get he said I'll get it updated probably by the end of the week The man works so hard on this stuff It's ridiculous. I've been just playing through lists now now It's time now. It's time to play the lists and I really love how we did the battalions in there as well Because you can just add the battalions down at the bottom read what's required read What's optional and then go back up and and assign accordingly or kill it? It's Killing it over there the man's a genius Yeah, some good UI All right, did we do it? We did it. That's them's the news All right, so right so now with that let's get to some pick of the week So Joe you're the guest and as usual that means you go up to the firing squad first What would you like to share with everybody? All right. Well, um, it's not this week But it's what I'm saying this week so July 31st and August 1st is a live marathon charity charity drive for mental health rantathon which mr. Mephisto is gonna be streaming the whole time on twitch and It's going to feature a lot of other content creators and a lot of other people filling out the various blocks of time similar to Sgdq which is happening right now. You guys may know of it very similar thing And it's got fabulous prizes. It's got fun events stop by Donate for a good cause prizes including fully painted armies Individual models that are painted by other content creators stuff like that So I guess Could somebody win a prize at playing a TTS game with you because I've watched you playing TTS games And you are exactly yourself. You don't change at all. It's amazing and I would love to win that price. It's um It's way easy Just play yourself as your twitch acting persona And so it serves double duty Very nice Tyler that's great. And when rantathon comes up, we'll be sharing it here I'll be doing a stint on rantathon. Of course. Do you come over and see us? It's gonna be amazing They raised Meph raised a lot of money for mental health last time. I hope to see us surpass that this time Maybe we'll write another game Maybe I'll write another game in the middle of it when I got prompted to write Muppets evolved in the middle of it to do a re-rolling one story Wrote the game in less than an hour and then we gave it away as a prize and Yes, W. Soren who painted a complete cursed city to give away for rantathon another hero there Looks great absolutely Uh Tyler, what do you got for pick? Yeah picks you got to get that right. I'm sorry changing the segment. Thank you Have her picks Goon hammers FAC coverage a was three coverage has been fantastic So probably folks most folks know about it by now, but just in case goon hammer calm check them out They've been doing a little review of each fact for each faction so great work over there by a bunch of folks including Joe Crier and Then two bat rep channels measure gaming is back with one and only pats my Guy, I wish was my spirit animal. I love that man. He's got the best salts and the age of Sigmar community They have a bat rep their first one for a os3 stormcast versus corn So that's Joel Joel Graham Joel McGrath. I always get those two confused Channel It's probably Joel McGrath Bad with names. I know yeah, we all are that's not a good trait, but I'm terrible with names And finally Christian Weir has been doing some battle reports traveling around Minnesota and Wisconsin visiting folks And he's got I think three out. He just had one out today with Bryce Bryce running the new Wapaka Ragnarok. It's gonna be happening. I think early next year February next year Something like that Yeah, just really good about reps. So check them out at pants mafia. We'll have the links below Very nice. Yeah, they're all in there now I just sense Tyler is nice to have to send them to me before the show you can find them in the description Right now Perfect. There you go. All right. So for my Pick of the week, I have to do a shout-out since we've got the one the only Halo twitch here known ogre aficionado There is another though. No there is another ogre aficionado in the world and that is the iron Gutsman and Honest Wargamer had the iron Gutsman himself on today to discuss ogres in 3.0 He raised a lot of great thoughts talked about the winners and losers in the book Maybe some winners and losers overall put out maybe my favorite ogre list. I've ever seen That had almost 1200 points of non ogre models in it It was it was like crag knows bundle whalebiter a frost load on storm horn and then just like some cats and something to fill it out Sure. Okay. That does sound good. Nice It was fantastic. I Loved his arguments for why bundo is so good in the new edition. I buy it completely Stonks on bundle. I'm back in it But he goes into Yeti's and and tactics and just playing ogres and what he thinks is good and bad and all that so Yeah, if you love ogres from a oh, sorry. No, it's just good if you love you love this hit me Yeah, he comes into it from more of a gut buster side obviously and I come into it from more of a beast claw side Because the the book was duct taped together after fashion Hmm, and so there's there's room for two, but there's only room for two also I watched the video and I mostly agree with all the stats at least After my I haven't played a terribly large amount of third edition only like three or four games and two in person but Seemed to line up with about I didn't have many many quibbles there Yeah, yeah, I mean he's another word in other words. He had good advice. There you go Yes, he he gets the the hey woe seal of approval and that this is not bad advice. Yes So there you go. Check it out. All right. We skipped over events. I forgot Yeah, so speaking of gut busters I saw that of course we had called the arms last weekend as a send-off to 2.0 and A gut busters made the top five. I think they were top three. I've got the list here. I thought you'd appreciate this Joe So we had two zinch in the top five We had that's rising. Yeah, we had I'd enough take it out That's surprising. We had big Sean of notorious sigma or fame. What's up you over there? With his corn Archeon, I think he came in fourth or fifth and then the hero in the top five ice brown hunter tyrant two frost sabers 12 frost sabers two big old groups of 12 gluttons and Three units of forward lead belchers, which I have always been told are worse than garbage Skull battalion and an extra CP for 187 wounds of fat boys. Yeah, sure. Just going for the meat attack So how many cats by the what was a 14 total a unit of two and a unit of 12 Okay, all right. He's going for the he's going for the combo drop them and pop them. Yeah, yeah So why why I know it's 2.0, but why lead belchers? Like three units of four I assume chaff. Yeah actual screens probably. Yeah, okay. Okay, so we can control I've seen people I've seen people use them like that before Gotcha, they're guys that just sort of stand somewhere. Um, right, but they I mean at least they have a rend right? They can if you're activating two things at once you can kind of attack with them, I suppose Weird list, but cool. Yeah. Yeah, Frasier Baker Congratulations, sir Yeah, pretty sure third place and then the rest of the events list is pretty much the same I saw that mega boss Mike the TO of circle city clash He has confirmed they're gonna be doing 3.0 and a couple of weeks at circle city. Nice. So, yeah, it'll be cool He's just been updating the pack this week. I'm not sure when Ashkahn stands I'd heard Dave mentioned recently that they had a couple of spots left So if folks haven't yet signed up for that there might still be a ticket or two Please let's bypass giving me grief about it. Dave himself Messaged me this morning with with that. So We're all still the grief train will continue Until next year when you arrive at the door Paul Paul Castro pulled out the lowest of low blows and said you truly are the new Tom Missing missing Nashcom. Yeah, so Just just work in the body In the body, yeah We had Rob's events over the weekend little what was it a team event that he did he had a singles and then a team Singles in three to three game three game. Okay. Yeah, so Benjamin and Sava brought back like what we were in this in 2019 his nine storm friends Back again. Yeah, and the bridge just murdering everybody and then there it is I heard That that unit of nine storm fiends got to rally three storm fiends back in one turn That's amazing. That had to be the best. That's just the best turn ever. Yeah, it's like why you do it. Yeah Yeah, you put the army away that's never gonna happen again. You're done. You've done it You got to the top of the mountain correct. Yeah Yeah, yeah one apparently one left with one wound and he did that Just just break the will of his opponent amazing Now I'm gonna tell him events apparently you were saying that Benjamin's list It's it's not a great list. It's not which I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying it's probably like good average. Like it's average. Okay. All right, right Well, yeah, obviously the first thing we thought of is Bellacor Yeah, exactly. I mean, there's just there's too many things that will naturally hunt that quite efficiently in 3.0 and there's too many tricks against it But as we are gonna talk about in the FAQ when a new series of changes drop sometimes just pulling out the old good tricks It's sort of the way to go, right? But yeah, I like it doesn't have the long-term game It can be Bellacord Archeon's probably not even caring about any of that Like he'll just because he can like Archeon can easily be on a two up rerolling ones Oh, yeah against like even against neg three rent like that can still be true. Yeah bronze bronze flesh Mystic shield he can get at least those two you can put him at a one up There's probably a way to get and then find out there's about like if you put him in idolaters like in slaves to darkness itself Not even the God armies I think he has a total number of potential plus ones to AC that he could activate simultaneously of eight. Oh Wow So like he's not he's not worried about your rent you can take your rent and get the hell out of here But that's the thing about tournaments is that There's like a best army to play right or best few armies to play the top armies Whatever that are going to like 6040 everyone in the right in the event as long as you play well And the dice roll a little bit your way and then there is armies like then there's decks like tron in modern and army lists like nine storm fiends and these are what is known as 8020 and Conversely, they could also be known as 2080s because it depends on what you play against and so Every tournament you're serpent ining through the brackets Open for those good matchups and to dodge the bad matchups. And so some people think that Well, I'll just take something that absolutely demolishes This bracket of stuff and yeah, if I play against Bellicor, I probably just lose So just don't play against Bellicor. Just just roll hot, you know Don't get paired up against them and and you're good and sometimes you can you can make to the end Yeah, it's the old how to beat your car strategy. Don't play your car. That's right Yeah, so and shouts Darren Watson. I don't know did really well leading already leading the go-trick brigades No, there's there's another monster. We haven't talked about yet on this show, but yeah, he's gonna he's gonna be in way too many lists Man him healing three wounds is healing so many phantom wounds. It's ridiculous. Yeah, every single hero phase Oh, no, you need to set up a new like obviously he had the I shipped over the the The go-trick that I painted for him for the contest. Yeah, and so he has it now and he confirmed He got it. I don't know who won it, but I assume whoever it is. You'll like enjoy. I hope you do It's but he needs to run that contest again and just say who can kill go-trick That's yeah, that's the actual test now. Most. Yeah, most go-trick kills in the season. Most go-trick kills. Yes, correct Yeah, no hundred percent. Yeah, yeah, we've been talking about doing maybe like Placing our bets on potential problematic elements at the start of 3.0 here and that one's probably on the list He's on there. Yeah, so Yeah, absolutely All right. Yeah, that's probably it, but yeah events all the same. So Yeah, just wanted to throw that up there as always. All right. Let's talk about some hobby time gentlemen. All right, so hobby time Joe what's been on your table man? What are you working on? Well people could Could pass tense watch what's on my table during my Wednesday hobby streams. However I camera broke it's a no more hobby streams But I have been working on this mop pot which as we'll get to later is worth buying Now but not before if you were a beast on flair. So I got a Thunder tusk that I've chained a mop pot onto its back I'm just giving them base coats down and metal metals and stuff like that. Nice little throne on the front of it for For us Lord Potemkin here and This whole thing is going to be Absolutely immobile and just stand there on the table on a mop pot and I could have just bought a mop pot, but where's the fun in that you have to make it unbelievably huge Brilliant Fantastic Tyler what about you man you get any games in yeah, I got some games in so I was gonna play Suns again So I think that was a third game with with iron jaws got a game against dock to Two wins for the double cabbage, so Power I don't I don't know apparently Please please don't nervous. I mean we're apparently we're pretty good right now, but please please don't do it No, yeah, it's not really strong But I've long believed that like a tooled-up cabbage will just blow his way through mega's like the average damage out of a tooled up Mega boss flat lines a mega who doesn't have a five up after safe Yeah, we were talking about that afterwards. So there are there are a couple of things Yeah, I think he needs to switch over to the the Ward of Destiny for the five of board and then need it so yeah, gay breaker the Kraken and Two units of three smalls because that's the only way you can fit an army legally at 2k now for for that buildup and So what he need to do I think was put wrap each of the bigs With three smalls respectively so that if I alpha I'm gonna get some I'm gonna get punched back Sure, I I recoil as a vampire does the sunlight Imagine playing sons of behemoth. I know and still the concept of chaff comes after you in the night And so hello, you still need to do this I know it's so wrong. Yeah. No, I've been playing way too much more brain with iron jaws So leaned into the gork the other nights and he gave me top of one I'm like, uh, just great. We were playing tectonic interference. Like I don't I don't want a stupid game We're actually worrying about objectives and positioning on all that nonsense and who's gonna charge Let's just get this over with pop the seven on the teleports pop the eight plus re-roll on the broods with a plus one damage Eight plus easy all day. You should do that with worse singer back in the day. So when that's old days Boom did exactly to the wound wiped out the three smalls 36 damage get out of here with ten broods Smashing a bash and move on to the Kraken eater. Don't care about your sandals We're still rolling in with five damage from the yelling at you and the impacts and 25 I didn't quite knock him out. So it wasn't perfect I got 30 damage on him and then a few a few a few bad things happen Then it goes way and we scream hit it actually scream five. It was like three damage Joe That was like the best it has ever done amazing. I'm gonna be honest I played against Andrew yells as iron jaws list for going on three years now. I believe the scream has hit once sure It's completely irrelevant. Yes, it's a even if it does hit then they just make all their saves Like that's what ends up happening. It's not exactly in our age health target. Yeah No Yeah But no, I mean cabbage does a really good imitation of Archeon with I mean we've talked about this a lot But just in terms of size doing the iron clad. I think it's called with a plus one save finest hour He had and then all that defense I think maybe he did the plus one hit instead of roar or he fell the roar So yeah, he was he was at a zero plus save and against the crack meter hitting him back So yeah survived against cracking your punch and back bottom of one Wiped out the crack near and yeah, it was kind of it was all going down hill form pretty quick Sure, and then doc was interesting, but I won't go into details of that one But uh, yeah, it's kind of it's kind of similar thing like those cabbages man. They can be so tanky nowadays. Yeah I love it. I love it. This is what I want to hear Okay, so we all hope the best for the new book. So don't slanesh us and I'll be happy I mean, we don't have any summoning so we should be fine. Right. Um, yeah I think that really was maybe one of the problems. Yes I wish we would just get rid of the summoning then or let me just like once per game You can submit one unit of ten day minutes and I feel like great. Can I have normal points now? Okay? Anyways, so my hobby time speaking of because this is this I did not intend for this segue But here we are. So speaking of my painting this Which is Senessa the The voice of slanesh as it were It's so gorgeous for some terrible roles Yeah, I mean, she's okay. Like they're okay. That's not dexess. I'm correct. This is a nice one Okay, right. I mean you take dexess a dexess a because you want ten free command points That's why you take dexess a is 280 points. So just because you're paying for ten free command points That's what she is and in that regard. She's a bargain. Yeah, 20 points for command point. All right. No It's a good return. Yeah, you see Exactly, but that's more or less her only point in existing. So yeah This girl is fine not quite as enjoyable to paint as I was thinking she would be is my honest answer But she's been fine. So I still got still got plenty of work to do on her, but she's coming along. So there we go Hope well, I'll have her done This week, so she'll be done over the weekend. That's Not recording anything for that one. She's just You know, she's just for me as it were so Someday I will be finished actually painting an army. I'm not even that excited to play But today is not that day I Did also find a slanash list. I want to play so anyways. All right, such as life. Ooh, doesn't have a gluos in that. No Okay Look, this is really good for non slanash units. Hmm. Yeah, he's like non slanash people more than slanash Yeah, and at 475 he's he's he's hard now. It's hard. Yeah Anyways, no, my answer is that like none of the big things are actually viable They're all just too expensive for my paper turn. So the list of keepers no gludos. No, none of that like you just All the things that I truly love in the army and Huge amount of time on you just don't get to use anymore. So Unfortunately Okay, we'll come back around the wheel always turns my friend exactly That's I have look. I've been playing slanash since 2006. It hasn't always been great time. So it's not an issue Yeah Don't cry for me, Argentina. I'll be over here with my son's Batman army and crag knows being happy and been fine So I'm good. Okay Cool. Well gentlemen With that Let us now Get to the FAQ breakdown. So here we go the big F a Q All right High-level thoughts before we get into it. I've got some summary sides, but I'll wait to jump to those Joe Which think over all of the FAQ Um could have been bigger Yeah So a lot of it is just clean up, which are they needed to do that's a lot of what I think it's for right like it's just clerical stuff here We change the wording on what prayers are so every army we have to change all their prayers Not to actually change them, but just like so the root, you know, the words are all consistent they had a lot of that stuff to do here's new endless spells and In vocations for all the armies Didn't like necessarily have to do that now I suppose they did because they're working differently, but that was nice to see Them update all the spells and stuff like that. I honestly didn't think they would do that and I didn't think they would Change the war scrolls or much of that but they actually kind of did and some of it was not even We changed the game. So, you know, we want this to work instead of not work anymore. Some of it was a little bit of a higher level like This is what we want people to have access to like game wide, right? That's one of the things you're gonna go over later is like Rerolling saves. Oh, yeah, given everyone plus one armor, yeah, or at least the possibility of plus one armor, but Generally speaking things in important fights now. We're just kind of gonna have plus one safe And so if we kind of since we did that We don't want you to be also re-rolling them on a whole bunch of random stuff because it makes that like way too good And so we're gonna go through the game and then take away all the re-rolls and then make them into plus one So they don't don't do anything anymore And so there was there was a lot of that As always with FAQ is they've Sometimes perfectly dodged like answering a really obvious question and just decided not to which is weird There are some gems in there, but I've seen Vince's slides. That's all comment on them When we get to them sure I know he knows that I know yes Which one I'm talking about I want him to know that I want him to know yes, exactly the World War Hawk. Yes, that is a Tyler what about you? What's your high level? Yeah, I mean that's a really good summary Incidentally games workshop if you're listening you miss the armor of the Pact and slaves to darkness Not nobody needs a two plus re-rolling demon prince. Hush. Hush. Nobody. Nobody During here and wipe their minds they haven't seen All right, everybody else look away hold on I gotta get my little flashy thing Yeah, no, it's it yeah, I mean it's a mixed bag kind of as usual But I do really like the the real saves going away for the most part that that was fantastic to see Even though I love curn off with real saves, but it's it's better for the game if they don't have that given what we can do nowadays So yeah, I mean we've we missed some some things we need to address, but we'll get into it mixed bag six out of ten Yeah, that's fine. I wish they would have gone bigger in some places Yeah, I do want to note also off the rip there will be another FAQ coming like at the four-week mark There will be another FAQ. They've already confirmed that that will be answers to all the questions that have like sort of come up That they didn't have time to put into this FAQ don't expect Yeah, don't hopefully Don't expect like game changes like that's not gonna be the FAQ that brings the two inch reach to the 50 mil infantry like no No, no, no stop and anybody who tries to sell you stuff or is on a show being like well I really hope they change some stuff and improve some scrolls and stuff with this change No, that's not what that FAQ will be that will be rules clean up and care clarifications, right? That's what that will be. Yeah, complete that stuff will naturally arrive when new battle tomes come out. Yes. Yeah Yeah, they'd be silly if they did it any other way. Well, okay, it wouldn't be silly be awesome, but You know, here we are One last thought then story go we thought I think we talked about this the other night that yeah We'd love to see them be more comfortable than they seemingly are of providing examples, you know from actual yeah in-game examples like trigger effects and Contradictory effects. Yeah, because that it was a little too much yada yada yada in the corals in that section for a few of those That's still as far as I can tell causing ongoing confusion the community that hasn't really been like I don't even know if we have a clear answer to What happens when 20 witch elves come rocking in with catechism of murder exploding six of the hit against Archeon with his real sixes and it's the way like Are we as generally I as I understand it we're saying that it depends on whose turn it is which is different than what we were doing in 2.0, and I think that's really weird No, I don't yeah, like I don't think that's the correct interpretation of it as I've said since the beginning There's a very easy interpretation of it of separate triggers because you have you have three different role states in a role Which is role unmodified role modified role right each one of those is a forms a separate trigger, but anyways like Yes, they need to clarify on that kind of stuff, and I wish they would just do more examples Like a lot I appreciate their brevity with the core rules and I appreciate them adding in the sidebars But I can tell that they're not totally comfortable with exactly how to use the sidebars yet We need more like living examples of here's how you do this thing. We just told you to do Right, let me give you a real example of it happening the enhancement section alone could have just used a running sidebar That's like this is how this actually works because I have seen It's the worst section of the book. Anyways, I won't beat on it It has the most questions about it. There is one There's one noteworthy that I can remember real-world example in one of their sidebars And it's like it fills up half of an entire page and it's confusing you Yeah, but they tried to do it and so that's the first step I know exactly which one it is. It is the order of activations one next to the strike first strike last table makes perfect sense And I have no questions once I've read the table and then I look at the sidebar, and I'm like, oh wait I don't understand it anymore So you see you see and then D will go first, but then E goes but then a and then player ones a goes again Yeah, yeah, just yeah, give specific units that would be nice, but it is accurate. So that's good That's it's accurate, but in Unintelligible I read it to Tyler one of the way when we the first day When we had the book I read it to him and I was like trying to keep track of what I'm saying And I just read the sidebar. He was like, I'm did you just speak English? What did you say? All right Okay, so here's my sort of summary points interested to get your Your take my my answer was like again The FAQ was sort of in equitous in what it ended up touching some armies had actually some big changes Some were basically just clean up Obviously things these are sort of universal changes that we're not going to touch on when we come to each individual thing Because I'm not going to sit here and just read the FAQ to you So here's the summary of stuff that happened across the board Lots of wording changes to clean up basics around CP usage And similar sort of wording updates around just like oh, we needed to make as you mentioned Hey, whoa, like we needed to make prayers formatted into the new prayer text, right with answer value and chant of this and Blah blah blah blah blah right so that most like the prayers didn't have functional changes. They just had textual changes They confirmed that unique characters can gain spell lords in their book, but not universal spell Enhancements so you can take the your like if you have a unique character and they have access to a spell or they can gain it now For the most part I'm not even going to suffer for a moment the people who are arguing that yes They can take the spell or but they can't select the spell like get out of here with that head injury. I'm not that's ridiculous So obviously their intention was they they blasted out through a megaphone by repeating it 7,000 times in these pages So I'm just gonna take them at their word. I Ben student you guys know if they I don't think they have officially answered the no-uniform spells or They very very right didn't yes I wanted to know the answer to that question and so a lot of people because the question really was pretty much Can I put flaming weapon on insert unique character here? Sure right games workshop's answer was well Look at all these other spell lords and all of the army faction places But not in the in the location of the thing that we want. So it was weird that they They didn't answer the question, but they in a roundabout way kind of implied that they didn't want it to work by specifically changing other language and then not mentioning it which is weird. Yeah, it was like First of all Why not? Honestly, yeah, is there a problem with universals on Unix? Oh, I mean, I too enjoy the idea of every Archeon Bella for and I don't know probably Just like having this this spell Then I hate sort of defaults and there's too many special characters that will just instantly get flaming weapon And you know like I love that they wrote flaming weapon in the amulet of destiny like you'd think when they had three Items or three things we could have gotten three reasonably good choices But like the first minute I clocked Flaming weapon. I was like, well, that's the best spell like instantly That's the best spell if you read that and didn't go this is the best spell They've written maybe in any book your guy. You're reading wrong Like it's in the top five of all spells in the game So Anyways, okay, so I just I don't like defaults. That's my problem. Yeah The I'll keep going here real quick faction terrain is all been updated to basically work the same Hallelujah, there are minor differences. We will talk about them But this is actually has big big effects as we get into the individual ones. Yeah What I love now is it's all in your territory three inches away from everything else like objectives and other terrain great fantastic not and then the allegedly really big pieces like the OBR one and the The Seraphon one you can choose to pick up a piece of terrain if you want to replace it because it's big Yeah, but specifically only if you only if quote it is impossible to place it down Yes, you can't just you can't just not like where the terrain is and be like that out of my deployment zone We'll sweep that out. No, it's it's only if you physically can't place it. Yep Yep We had the updates to all the faction endless spells. We're gonna talk about all those as part of this There are definitely some big winners and big losers in this list There are some spells that were completely garbage before but are now suddenly like on my hot list And then we've got the command ability clarifications. This is worth a little bit of a quick dive. Yep So command abilities use their listed range if they have one not the generic 12 18 Blah blah blah blah blah, right Sure, I'm totally with you. Hey, well, they should have just said no It works like this now ignore all ranges on all command abilities. They all work like this They had this was your you were the chosen one All right, this is you had this chance to make every CA just 12. Hey, if it's a totem or a general 18 Yep, and if it's within the unit, you don't even measure because it just affects the unit We could have had this but instead it's All right page through the book. I guess I have to And so close and yet so far They're always too scared to pull the trigger on things like this It would actually be a real Functional improvement to the way the game is played and like I understand why they don't because they're afraid people won't catch it Like they know that only a percentage of their population actually reads the FAQ right now Not everybody does and they're afraid of like sort of having too many Cataclysmic changes where people are unaware and are playing it wrong, but I don't care like I get that that Concern, okay, but you're gonna republish the books Anyways, are you gonna keep the poor ranges or you're gonna republish them with correct ranges? Like what are you gonna do when well, I guess we'll know when the storm cast and and and Swamp bogglers but comes out but like we'll see when the we'll see when the storm cast book comes out If there's new battalions in it, right? Yeah, we'll see if they're If they're obsessed with carrying the mistakes of the past forward or if we can enter foot and Follow their own rules here. Please. No. Yes So at any rate, yeah, I agree with you. They should have pulled the trigger here a command ability with an aura In other words, like it's sort of the hero puts up the command ability and then until You know the next hero phase all units of X type within 12 inches gain plus one to hand or something like that Right, there's tons of those kinds of command abilities in the game The hero is both the issuer and the receiver of the order So those in the aura do not count as receiving an order exactly the ruling it should have been Otherwise it would have been a total nightmare to keep track of so. Yeah There's one little so Kernoth hunters envoys of the other Queen There may be there's other similar instances in the game But they have an ability that allows them to function as a beacon for the true Lord ancients or for any command ability Right has a range, right? So let's take the true Lord ancients now amazing plus one save He the spirit song command ability you pick the true Lord ancient a beacon sound holy than 12 of him But at least at 1.0 and I think in 2.0 You would be able to beacon that out through any Kernoth unit that were on the board Holy with whatever the range of omu's of the other Queen is I think it's only been 12 as well So how do they classify the Kernoth hunters right are they been issuing and receiving as well since they're the right Yeah, yeah, they'll they'll and that's where I what I expect that kind of stuff in the four-week FAQ like the moon show Right. Yeah So, yeah, that's fine. Good. Good call. He makes things fine. I'm good with that. So, you know Correct choice Command ability allegiance abilities With this ability so like there's there's some command ability allegiance abilities that are phrased as like units with this ability And then they don't specify who that is Okay, so there's some of these around I think Lumineth have some I know corn have some can be used by heroes only in that qualifying faction not Champions so they not champions not totems. They have to be a hero of the appropriate faction sub faction meeting all requirements That's all There aren't a ton of these in the in the in the game So it's not like a big deal, but I'm glad they caught it and sort of cleared that up Does an example come to mind of that Yeah, there's a corn thing that's like I don't know if it's Reapers of vengeance or something like that Yeah, yeah, Konstantinos was telling us about this earlier today. Okay. I gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah All right. Yep. Well, hopefully I don't have any questions about that. Yeah, I just clicked in what you're saying that Yeah, I got it. I got you now. Yep And then the command ability without timing remains in the hero phase just as kind of the default was for 2.0 Which is funny that we still have to staple that on there because we have so many like old scrolls That have never bothered to be rewritten that still don't have timing like things hanging out still in the game from 1.0 For instance, Voltonos So no the answer is you cannot lord of the tides five times during high tide Once in the hero phase once in the movement once in the charge once in shooting and once in combat, right? There was a brief period of time where I'm sure someone somewhere was trying to convince his opponent that this was totally intended and also fair No longer And thank goodness. All right. Yeah, uh, let's see. So now some interesting just core rules notes that I thought was fun If you have bonus generals and one is slain You gain the plus two to the heroic action role. Yep, which means yes or no question. Yeah Yep, exactly. Has a general been slain? Yes plus two Uh crits, uh the rat prince baby. I knew you were my dog And here you are again counting is that bonus of your coach general and coming back to life Just run that lunatic forward get him killed as quick as possible and free free command points for the rest of the game And you can get him back too You can't get back new infinite versions of him that are not they did fix that But they um He's still he's still fun. He's still fun Look at 95 points for a free bonus general that you can just let get killed and not care at all That's a winner in my book for plus two to gain Like the difference between a two up for a bonus command point and a four up for a bonus command point is pretty big That is a big difference Uh So coalition units, this is my favorite answer Coalition units count as battle line unless they don't because of the battle pack Which the ghv battle pack does not allow so they're not battle line Right. Yeah Yeah, great. Yeah, this was on my list. Yeah, there's there's been a lot of this, uh Conantry was the keyword earlier before the show that we've been seeing this week and this was on the list. Yeah, so Uh, I think yeah the tldr just stop it everybody Yeah, there's this there's this whole like they don't count as battle line Are they still battle line? Do they exist in a quantum state of battle line? Music nature of the battle line. Yes. Yes So there are people that are doing this just purely to gain an advantage and like they're reading it wrong on purpose, right? And then there's other people that are Probably generally confused And it's it's not always exactly their fault, right because we've been Games worship are training us to care about stuff like this But if you're following other FAQs and stuff like a hero with an aura ca It grants the aura to other people, but they don't they're not receiving it They just get it because of the receive word and then so suddenly you're like, okay Well, so I should care about what the word says and then you get other stuff like rally and slain or run away And you're like, okay. Well, I had to care about the word with the receive thing So I guess I have to care about the word here. No, you don't Um, and so I I understand a little bit like sure why people would have those questions. Yeah, that's fair But mostly it's just angle shooting. Let's be honest. Sure. Yeah, there's there's like a 50 50 split I mean this would I forgive people who don't understand like because immediately on facebook I saw everybody go, hey cool. We can use uh slaves to darkness stuff as battle line again in our slainish army And I'm like, no, you can't Because that's not what the battle pack allows right and they've never heard the word battle pack before Or if they have their they've ignored it and so they don't know what it is Right. Right. So they have to go into a tournament or something We it's coalition units feel so tacked on At the last moment because it's not sourced in the core rules And all it doesn't appear until the ghp It's it's this weird add-on system where they were like like they wrote the game. It was good and they were like, oh crap We just knocked like a bunch of armies that were that you know to have traditionally had other units show up in them We just stopped that ability, right? And so What do we do? Well, it's okay. We figured out this coalition unit thing to sort of jack them back into the game But then like they should have just set up if that's fine They should have just set up one clear concise explanation in the ghp of coalition units Are this cannot be this cannot be this ever Right. Yeah, it's like done And Right, not that it matters Was there in the core book in the match play section a reference but not a lot of detail It wasn't even a reference to coalition. They coalition units do not appear until the ghp Okay, wow interesting the rules for the battle pack for match to play In the core book are under faction replaced with your army must be drawn from a single faction Done period end of end of sentence Okay, I gotcha. Yeah, they're not really caring about keywords. They're caring about books In other words. Yep. It's that table that table is all that matters. That's your that is your source your truth your god Everything in chaos borrows each other's stuff And it's supposed to work, but it doesn't we got to do something and so it's coalition units what In the other way they could do it was like oh, so we add these units into all of those factions as like a weird name like corn marked, you know Chaos warrior mark of corn and then have like a big little paragraph under it that says like this can't be battle line for some reason I add that to every faction. They would do the same thing but You know Why do that when you can just invent coalition units and it mostly works? Yeah mostly mostly uh, so uh You can select the same enhancement more than once Unless specified otherwise no duplicate artifacts that is specified otherwise Um, there was that brief moment in time where everybody wanted to have 50 million amylicum destiny once everybody realized it wasn't that in there Yeah, however, meaning duplicate mount traits are now sometimes in play. There's certain texts that had to be replaced Joe would you like to explain briefly? the eight metal cruncher BCR army that that will undoubtedly not be true that is definitely reading the rules wrong Oh, yeah all right, so speaking of pedantry That's a get into it and things that will only exist for this period in time until the ghp f aq for sure There are two parts to this one I made a list which I think I've I've been looking around the internet other people have discovered this the secrets out um I made a list called the absolute meme because that's what it is boulder head boulder head specifically In the sub faction has a rule that says every boulder head monster Gets a command or gets a mount trait instead of only one And because we've adopted this enhancement system There's no text In the book itself like under mount traits because they deleted that the thing that said you can't double up the thing That said you can't put two on one or three or whatever all the restrictions are gone And so where else do we look for mount traits, but in the core rules? And doesn't say anything like that there when you take a mount trait enhancement As per the core rules, um, you get one for every monster Because that's what it means to take the enhancement. That's the Definition of it here So you get one for free, which means you have one on everybody And then you have another one because you take some Vitalian or something and now there's two on everyone And you can go more, but then the list becomes sort of unplayable Um Ice bra hunter. He's the general for those frost saber battle line Uh slaughter master with flesh crave curse because we're memeing and I want to fill the mob pot up Made a hero phase to be able to empty it twice Frost lord on stone horn times two each of them with two metal crunchers So beginning of combat 2d6 mortal wounds to anybody with a save characteristic of two three or four or a war machine One of them has branded as far because you have to have that for the boulder head So faction and then two husk guards on stone horn who Are way worse than frost lords, but not when they both have double metal cruncher And two vultures because you always take the blood vultures. So we have four stone horns all of them have double metal cruncher and um In case for anybody that doesn't know you want to say what a metal cruncher does Yeah, so what happens is at the beginning of each combat each D6 mortal wounds to target unit in combat with you Who's safe characteristic is two three or four or a war machine? And so hey arcane is a real problem in the game But if you charge him with three stone horns, say You do triple impact hits and then you roll 66 mortal wounds at the start of combat not bad Not too shabby not bad indeed And it's 1970 so you get your little triumph there you earned it And it's obviously sort of silly It won't stick around. Uh, I wouldn't want to ask an opponent If this is okay to play Obviously reading the rules wrong list. Yeah, well, I'm reading the rules 51 right sure They just they didn't think about this. They just didn't consider it. They just said delete it Enhancements work in the core rules easy, right? probably not so also It's totally fair because we play against a bad army whose armor saves are crap Like all five of these do anything. That's right That's right. So if you're fighting against an army that all is all five up saves. This is a Middling slash not very good beast call army that doesn't do anything. So hey Not bad. It all evens out It all evens out. Yeah, it's perfectly balanced as all things should be and Will this change almost certainly There's there's no way you can double up the ghp FAQ for sure like they're getting rid of that Um using the same mount trait more than once. I don't know kind of a question mark Flesh eater courts done it for years stormcast did it for years. Maybe it's just our time now to get this cool thing Um, if I was a betting man, I would say Full fun detected. No, they're they're changing both and they're going to be unique as well Yeah, that's mine if I was um I'm going to shoot my shot. It would be that one. Yeah Uh, I appreciate data for the mothership who said they weren't thinking about it because it's in the ogre book That's right. It's very true. Yes That is the reason man dally's are mount traits like artifacts one per army in each enhancement is an extra one Or are they like spell doors so each critter gets a mount trait they can take one The answer is it's problematic Uh, theoretically each monster gets one, but it's very unspoken to in the enhancements of the core rules There's sort of a passing reference to mount traits. It just says like also you can get more of these Yeah, and there's not even a header for them. It doesn't even reference them later It lists them and then there's no header for them. So yeah So for something that's such a huge part of the game like lots of books have these. Yeah, okay It's shocking to me that they were just like Like they ran out of space and the page caught it and was like, man, it's not worth it's not worth messing with our layout So, uh, yeah, that's like I said the enhancement section is bad It's bad. Yeah, you've got 28 sections in the book, right 28 numbered sections in the book The first 26 honestly pretty great Very few issues then you get to section 27 in the enhancements and you're like, none of this makes any sense This is all this is all bad. Yeah, it's it's taken on water. Yeah And also the thing that so I I stream like 40 hours a week live and new players who roll in and ask me rules questions It is 75 percent about enhancements. Sure every time. Yeah I probably answered some question about enhancements Uh 100 times maybe since Since the epi q has come out It is not the best system Just from a clarity point of view, right? Yeah, it fails is sort of the basic thing which is just actually be intelligible as to how to build your list That that should be the bar we pass easily And we trip Uh, and then my favorite answer in the entire FAQ that I had to copy paste and put directly here Some abilities refer to the move wound save or bravery characteristic of a unit. What is this? It is the move wound save or bravery characteristic of the models that make up the unit A plus somebody was at the end of their day They're they're answering just like researching and typing out all these questions They're they're eight and a half hours into their day, right? And they look at this one and they're like Don't show you I'll tell you Let me tell you what right now. I'm so happy they answered my question This is my favorite FAQ question and answer segment since the infamous does five equals 10 question But I was wondering at home. The answer was no But it is it is a bit rules bold, I think of them to add Add annoyed responses like this, you know in here when like so many real questions are just kind of ignored or Not addressed or answered in a weird way. It's a it's a little bold maybe but hey, I like a good meme And I really look I feel bad for the people who have to go through all this and type all this up So it's not their fault. There's some intern typing it up. Hey I don't think we've we've got it. We've got to let them have a little bit of fun There's also another one another fun one, which was If a weapon asks you to see below What should you do? Yeah, the answer is like if at all possible in situations like these you should endeavor to see below Yeah, that was a great one. Yeah, all right, and then here's my slide for oddities Uh, some of these things are just strange. So it was just kind of the rest of the stuff Elite units yet another concept that just did not exist at all This didn't exist in the core rules didn't exist in the ghp or anywhere and then in the FAQ They're just like also here's a new thing. We're just going to introduce for no reason Nobody was asking for this It was just like a fact of life that yet some units don't have champions And so they can't command point themselves and you've just got to you know, like deal with that. That's a downside. Yeah Yeah, but they indiscriminately sprinkled this And landed in random places and then not in others. Yes Weird it really felt like somebody came to them with their pet units and we're like Hey, this is my favorite unit You should be I should be able to use a command point like sometime in the play testing cycle Somebody was like, listen gyro copters are amazing and they were like, okay, but whoa calm down We'll be testing if we make them if we invent this new keyword All right, no one have played verand guard though. Nobody does that right? It's so random right like these random pet units that are in there We'll talk about them there on the slides when we get there, but like many units that would have made sense Um, I could have seen like certain troll units that don't have champions or man crush a gargantz Who are all theoretically monsters and very self-avowed in their own right? You know, even though they're not heroes like having this ability like if a man crush a gargant isn't an elite thing I don't know what the definition of elite is anymore. It's a 12 wound monster that exists solo in most armies right, uh verand guard the the one in 10 million that make up verand guard you know, it's like These guys can't order themselves command. They have to be in uh, uh, uh nights they have to be thrown Otherwise any other unit of verand guard where they're a hero obviously in any other thing They're walking around just like look guys. I know we don't have a plan Let's just attack. I don't know. Look nobody nobody here can give a chaos lords in their own right Yes, all yes, each of them is like the leader of a delta force night pack of chaos Correct, then when they join in a group they forget how to be a commander entirely right and they just they look at the battlefield and they're like Man arcane would tell us to do something here It starts with an r. That's the movement phase. I just I don't know I guess we'll just stand one inch away from the edge of this objective and we can't move to it gosh Uh, yes, so it's just like it's the weirdest rule that had it did not need to exist I'm gonna be super clear here Like Well, or if you're going to make it then use it right you had two choices You didn't pick either of them either it doesn't exist and that's fine. We just all have to deal with that reality Yeah, or it does and you put it on the correct units. Those are the choices Yeah, we're like add something to the war scroll where it says a verand guard unit Is every every model in a verand guard unit is considered the unit champion or something like that because they are And then a little flavor tax because they are kings or whatever I think all of the new war scrolls and dominion That have a champion model now have the keyword champion in place of what would have been like Evocator prime or cernoff hunt master And Exactly. Yeah, so but I mean it raises a related issue that yeah, we haven't had a clear Definition of what constitutes a unit champion. I was talking with events about this the other night like war bands You know the untamed beasts have three different keyword Models That so none of which seems to be an actual champion Right. So are they not a command squad? Not a command. Yeah, or what about the shroud queen on the shadow stalkers I guess that's a unit champion under the Hazy definition that we seem to have right now about what is a unit champion? So, I don't know that it seemed like that is a bit of an issue right now There's not I don't feel like there's crystal clarity on you know, what's supposed to be a unit champion or not. Sure Uh, so uh the there's just a couple other interesting things Units that had the ability to gain plus two or or more to save which is obviously now not possible Like there were multiple units in the game that through some special circumstances or activation or thing They could do could give themselves plus two to save right and so obviously that's not possible now Since save is capital plus one exempting to counter out red and for the math And so like all of them got very different rules And there are very clear winners and losers in the shuffle of what you got out of that I actually like Walked through it with tyler when we were prepping for the show and I was like here's the absolute winner It's in seraphon spoiler. And here's the absolute loser. It's in zinge ironically. Okay Oh, you mean the ethereal. Yeah. Yes. Oh, yes that thing will get there Uh, and then reroll saves is dead long live the rare reroll saves Most reroll saves that were on standardized sort of abilities people could just use are all gone So chaos warriors and pain bringers and yada yada yada yada The ones that remain are generally magic items that aren't that are in individual books, which could eventually be rewritten But there are still a few out there And obviously those abilities are now quite good because you have a very rare diamond all of a sudden Armor of the packed destroy it Oh, sorry. You probably have to repeat that. I was talking. What does that armor of the packed destroy it? Please. Thank you very much. Okay Uh, as a matter of fact ogres do have one it's alvegy rune totems and it used to stop. I never I thought it was trash however Stunks now, baby. It's our only uh, reroll save Yeah, the worst ompa giant his sestas gives him reroll all saves and uh, six is kickback mortal wounds on the saveral as well Yeah, boy So then sons of behemoth the problem is you only get one artifact in sons of behemoth and that artifact is competing with the five Upward save and it's like, okay, there's no actual competition there. You're gonna take the five Yeah, that's that's why I wouldn't take your tribe every time because I felt that two artifacts was better than all their other Allegiance abilities from here. I was I was being an outsider looking in and making pasty decisions perhaps All right So, uh, yes, as somebody pointed out zinch marked uh slaves to darkness. Yep, absolutely Okay, let's talk about the individual army changes. Here we go all right, so Uh, I got a time stamp all these this can be a long list beasts of chaos more or less just clean up Clarified great phrase like the this happens a lot where they clarify that you you can You can if you have a great free keyword, you can join other things, but you know, okay fine Um, the savage dominion spell got updated and endless spells into rain updated great Very much nothing. Um, you might remember savage dominion as The spell that no one ever took or cast Yes, and it caused a monster to basically damage itself Sometimes something nearby but usually damaging itself. The spell has been updated now So it can't damage itself and it doesn't move. Yep, because it's possible with monster meta Someone might ever be tempted to take this and or use it and that is unacceptable. So yeah, did we had to stop that immediately? Yeah, it doesn't fit our original design philosophy Beasts of chaos. Don't do anything fun. They have to suck. Yeah Uh, yeah, I mean my real problem with this one with that is like As per all any spell that requires a bravery check, you're just like, okay, this is a bad spell Like roll 2d6 and get over someone's bravery. It's like, oh, this is a bad spell Like is anybody doing the math on this at home? How many monsters are like bravery nine and ten? I mean, it's ridiculous that you would think that's a good spell Okay, all I've got to do is roll an 11 after I rolled to cast my spell No problems That spell better win the game instantly Okay, not do, you know, just three mortal wounds, which is probably the modal outcome. All right Let's talk about the so like with the end the spells. I actually have them on their own slides Because that's that that's the meat and potatoes of this on a on a mega gargant. There's a slightly larger average outcome. I think but Yeah, it's like A lot of monsters that you're gonna end up targeting. Yes, mega's always create these weird corner situations But yes, a lot of people you're just gonna be like, oh good. I got four mortal wounds. Yeah Okay All I had to do was roll like to cast it not get it unbound and then roll a 10 on two dice simple Yeah And then get a bunch four ups. Okay. So the raven wing dire flock We're not gonna read all these straight out. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna kind of hit on some ones That I thought was cool. I this is this gets my vote right out of the gate This gets my vote of all the endless spell updates for most m night shamalan turn I was not expecting and a spell twist Yeah, this is the village of uh Endless spells And I say that because it's the twist that I didn't want to have happen and it ruined the whole movie retroactively Um, so you read harbingers of dark omens models cannot issue the inspiring presence or rally command Well, they are within 12 inches of this endless spell the civillian effect on beast of chaos I read that I was like, holy crap. That's amazing. Yeah Like I'm in danger of being excited Yeah, that's gonna be a great tool for boc. They can shut off. That's a big radius right off this endless spell because it's kind of a The pieces of 12 and then 12. Yeah. Yeah, and I was like, this is wonderful Uh, and You know, this will actually give them a tool to really punch in that and make people have losses in the battle shock face It's great and then I read Black soul cowardice if a unit Finishes a move Within one inch of this endless spell Remove this endless spell from the battlefield At the end of that immediately At the end of that phase the player whose turn is taking place Must set up the parts of the end the spell anywhere on the battlefield within three inches of each other And more than one inch from all models other endless spells and invocations and I was like, oh god How terrible because it just is a move so you can move like on on like you cast the spell on my turn I can just I don't even need to unmind it. I can just walk near it charge near it pile in near it Right and I can scare the birds birdies away and then since it's my turn I'll like I set up your birds over in the corner way back here where they're never going to be relevant again like Go away birds Yeah, my my complaint with the my complaint with birds in the past has I I felt that they didn't do anything And I have the same complaint now right with more words Yeah, I my only pushback is I I mean I get all that but Let's it's your turn And you cast this You control you can generally control where it's going to be placed sure It has a beacon of 12 inches. That's a great range. So 24 inch bubble sure Your opponent should not be getting within an inch of this in the key turn that you're looking to use it to get some benefit from it Sure after that, it's going to potentially go away But you got your you did your thing. You're good to go As long as they don't redeploy it near it or pile in near it or something like that. Yeah, yeah redeploy would be one Yeah counter but but I think in general I feel like a lot of times you could at least have your one shot I want you to pay for it. Tyler. Oh, I'm supposed to be the points guide. I think it's 50 points Yep, I gotta pull that up 50 points. I believe is what it is. I would pay 50 points for this. Okay. Yeah I don't know if I'd pay much more than that, but I would definitely pay 50 Yes, I feel like you could control it pretty pretty well in a game at least for one shot But Maybe maybe more than one Yeah, I mean, let's like Let's also just take a moment here to dive into the wording as I was going to get there bar tech has pointed it out I was going to go there. Remember this only stops you from issuing The inspiring presence or rally command. So that's great if you have the unit But if you have a hero behind the line And who's not within 12 inches of the birds Right He can still issue The command To the Oh, that's good point. Yeah Also, what's the range on dispelling endless spells? Sorry, like you're talking about just when your opponent gets to move it When your opponent gets to move it on his turn and he puts it on the board edge It's actually stuck there forever, right? Right unless you want it unless somebody goes and chases it down. Yeah It's standard 30 n just on mine. Okay. Yeah Or to dispel sorry If it doesn't go away just sets it up. Yeah, uh, it needs to go away. Yeah I get to just go nope. It's way over the corner now. If you want to have it go a unit go move near it fine Yeah, he'll put it real close to the shelf for later Which is where it will go Those are a couple of fair pushbacks. Yeah, uh, it's gonna be a no for me dog. All right, Juneblast dirge horn um It's fine It's a thing that gives neg one to hit It's that's what it does Yep This one's 45 points. Yeah, I mean it sits there And it slowly spreads very slowly a very small range of neg one to hit three inches and then six inches and the nine inches by battle round And Okay, if it was each turn I would like it more I would like it twice as much of those each turn instead of each battle round. Yep, but it's not But it's not And it can't move It cannot move So like I hope you know exactly where the battle is going to happen All right, it is an amazing model, but it's nice. It's just with neg one being capped here It's like, yeah, there's not a huge number of sources of neg ones in in boc, so like yeah, okay But I honestly I'd rather just use it to convert for like a giant blowing a horn Yeah better use of that in the spell Right, but why are we talking about this stuff at all when we know we should be talking about the wildfire torus? Wow. Oh, yeah All right, so this boy's how much now tyler? Uh, go ahead and rock us out the points for this boy Dan's got 110, but I'm 120 is what I've got. Okay So 120 in the ghp. Let's let's go for let's go for the ghp printed price Maybe yeah, and we're about to read at 120 We're about to probably read the most powerful on the spell in the whole game right due to its cost. Yeah So it's uh cast on a seven has a range of six inches So it's basically set up wholly in front of the casters because it's a Huge base it just barely fits in the six inches from the used to be 12 Right. I hate spells like this grave Tide is the same thing where it's like, I don't even know how to fit this wholly six It's predatory it moves 12 inches so it moves 12 inches in every hero phase I'm not going to continually repeat that for the whole show But remember as we're talking about these predatory spells they move at the end Of the hero phase the hero phase both players hero phase So you summon them in the hero phase and then at the end of that hero phase you summoned it it's gonna Yeah, and so if anybody has been looking at points and we're like, how come every predatory in the spell doubled in price Sometimes tripled. It's because it's working twice as much Being double the things There's like three times more ways to get rid of them, but still like That's the answer War scroll builders got 110. So maybe we should just go with 110. Okay Okay It doesn't change my opinion of the thing Maybe if it was another five, we'll see At 105 there we go After this endless spell has moved Roll a dice for each unit that has any models It has passed across and each other unit that is within one inch of it at the end of its move And I just want to take a moment because I'm not going to repeat this every time But to say the difference between a spell that only affects people that it moves over Versus a spell that affects everybody it moves over and everybody within one inch when it lands Is like the difference generally between good and bad Like often that is literally the difference Okay, not always but often On a two plus that unit suffers d three mortal wounds in addition The strike last effect applies to units that are within three inches of this endless spell. So if you're near it You're striking last But that does not have a boc exception. So it needs to be like very carefully Make sure this big giant torus is carefully pivoted around so wherever you're fighting It's within three inches of your enemy is or enemy or enemies and not you Yeah, joe, what's take on this one worth including any good too risky Um, it's a lot of points for a fiddly thing You so like Fights last is good, but to me To me on-demand fights last If i'm parsing through it and compartmentalizing it. It's like I can now enter two combats Before I start having to let my opponent do something, right? So if I if I charge one unit in and it's my turn, all right, I get to go first if I charge two units in Now there's a decision I have to make because That second unit that I charge in like it's not gonna, you know, they're gonna get hit. That's bad Well, now you can summon a 110 point wildfire torus and you can Kind of be like lumineth right you get to go and then go again D3 mortal wounds on a two-up is okay It's everything that it touches which is a lot of stuff You're gonna chip things, you know from your face to hear a phase. It's a big base if I remember Yeah, it's a sweet-looking model too. Yeah, I haven't I haven't built boc lists since their dead came out So I don't actually know if they have The points to spend on this kind of thing. I don't know if they do I mean, we have to have good units to have things that can be for points. So that's a real challenge for them Sometimes when your army is bad and I used to have a real bad army for Two and a half years. It was called beast claw raiders and it was awful And so sometimes Yeah, your stuff is overpriced But what does it do? If you need a wizard for some reason you need a wizard even if he's overcosted if you want last effect You know, yeah, you're you're paying negative value for like you're not you're not good on ev But sometimes you just need that effect. And so you have to deal with it, you know, right? And so sometimes it's like Look the difference between not having it and having it. We need it yet. It's overpriced But I don't have much else. I'm doing so just you know bite the bullet Yeah, I think it's okay is my answer. It's not going to work as well as people think but it's okay yeah Yeah, the the 18 inch threat range is nice and the higher cast value on average is actually nice because it's a little harder to Get off the board to get rid of the board. Yeah Yeah, because as joe said, there's so many ways now that we're you know, potentially going to be facing somebody at the start of our hero phase Dispelling our key and the spell that's on the battlefield, which we then cannot recast Right because I just spelled so key you have to think about and the spell calculation is that Your opponent can dispel your end the spell at the start of your hero phase Meaning that you cannot cast it again that round and like that's just if if if anybody's dispelling and then the spell at any other time You're basically doing it wrong in most cases, right? right so Like you just because you then you shut it off For a while like it doesn't get you that turn because it didn't move yet And it did it's not going to get you at all because they can't recast it. So there you go Has anything changed on so like if you're playing a Nightingale tour in cities of sigmar You could take the everblaze comment and use it that nightingale tour could use it You cannot do that any longer. You cannot do that. Okay your endless bells. They care about what your army is, right? And so even if you ally in some encounter to use a common in cities like people used to do in early second ed I no longer can do that and so people are forced to Improve their armies by removing that combo because it's not very good That takes On the warhammer weekly this evening. There you go Obviously i'm asking that because we used to see the the torus as a piece that people would throw into different armies sure Yeah, sure. Yeah, you can still spell in a bottle it. So there you go Yeah, you can because the the rule tells you you can and little rule defeats big rule. Yep Uh, and then the herdstone nothing really much changed on it. It's the same herdstone It always you can put it in a better place now. Yes Exactly like this as I mentioned earlier This is it has a very standard thing and it also has one of two rules You're now going to see on basically every faction terrain. All faction terrain is either for the most part Defensible meaning you can now garrison it with something or impassable meaning you can't stand on it at all Right. Those are kind of your choices now Uh, and the herdstone is impassable. Which is fine I I hated people trying to balance models on things to like get cover on your little faction train But and so that's gone now because a lot of them are impassable or or or they're effectively impassable by being defensible, right? Yeah By the way, the fact that they wrote impassable here on these faction terrains and didn't include impassable as a terrain type and the core Like you were so close guys. You were so close So close Yeah, every game that's coming up and and still the other night it was quick rant the the whole Here is this train piece that's four inches vertical And the cabbage needs to land on top of it to complete a charge And I couldn't remember in the moment What I know what the rule is if you're not flying But I couldn't remember what the rule was if you can fly Am I having to take into account that four inch verticality on that train piece? You can measure day annually Yeah, you just measure you use like true measure. So like okay, you just go from the from the bottom to the top You only do that. No Pythagoras needed. You just you just measure it with that All right, right. I thought that was the case, but I couldn't remember in the moment. All right, right on But yeah, that keeps coming up. We need these terrain keywords just to make things so much simpler Just make it impassable. All right. We got to keep moving because we have so many arms We cannot spend that amount of time We just did B. O. C. Got to wait. I love your B. O. C. You got too much love All right, corn make up for their FAQ. I guess. Yes, indeed. There you go All right, so let's stop corn This is going to be our chance to introduce coalition units I won't go too much into this in the future, but because like a lot of different things at coalition units I'll just let the slide speak for itself Two in four slaves to darkness one in four beasts of chaos who gain the corn keyword But remember these are coalitions. So they are not Battle line. They're not counting as battle line. Are they Schrodinger's battle line? The answer is maybe FAQ to determine. I'm not I don't call it like whatever whatever I answer no some people answer. Yes. Who cares? It's an FAQ. There we go And but they're not counting towards your battle line that I'm a thousand percent sure of And right they cannot be your general and corn has the extra prohibition of no wizards No, whoa, whoa, whoa, what about arcane tome? Uh, you can do that you can arcane tome your corn boys right up. Is that okay into wizards? That's okay. Yeah, I think so And officially endorse this. I don't care about what corn the god wants But you have to you have to hide it inside of like a big skull So it's like reading a like a comic book inside of your school book, you know That's where they the corn people hide their spell books inside a big skull. They're like, yeah skull Mr. Shield There you go Um, does that mean no arcane? No, it does not because yes arcane is a wizard No, he he can be included for rules will come to later So there you go Uh Does the mutolith vortex beast gain the corn keep corn keyword? No, because the slaves to darkness unit you bring in must already have the corn keyword They do not gain it only the beasts of chaos gain the corn keyword, right? Uh, and then the prayers they're all reframed I just copied them in here. None of them are changed in effect But they are all changed in ab big way Where they no longer are at the start of the phase. So the weird part about corn prayers is they were start of the phase They're actually at the start of the hero phase you used your prayers Which meant you could which is also when you have to burn blood type So it meant like you could you could do the sacrifice to get more blood type and then power yourself into the next level Right, right You cannot do that anymore because now you burn at the start of the phase But then your chance you haven't had the chance to do the prayer yet, right? Yeah, so Yeah, the the more corn books and battle tones that come out and FAQs that I read the more I think that corn is actually an insurance agent and not a Didn't out of God of War He's very specific about timings very specific timing ranges Um, oh no, no, sorry. You don't have rollover minutes. These go away when you then yeah, no no rollover minutes. Yes, he's very Very rulesy that corn That book needs to be right. Okay So let's talk about the invocation's. Uh, we'll just be kind of quick with these um The hex gorgeous skulls So these are like the invocations are interesting in general because they all now have like some kind of claws to remove them from play Um, I don't actually know where the five up you they to stick around was located But my I thought it was gone because not on these anymore. Is it still in there? It's located in the allegiance ability section of the army and it's still there. They didn't get rid of it Yeah, I Make you because it's not because they got rid of the fire slayer of prayer That lets you reroll or not roll that thing Yes, if I just delete that then clearly their intention is that the things don't do it anymore Which is great because that mechanics sucked wasn't fun and it made them all bad in my opinion Yes, so my my strong belief. Thank you very much for that clarification My strong belief is that's going away that whole five plus to stick around blah blah blah will not That'll go away when you roll the six and they do the impressive thing now usually Yeah, so like if the hex gorgeous skulls actually somebody rolls the eight and then they go boom boom And then they d6 mortal wound everybody then it's automatically removed from play because it went boom boom And so on and so forth. Um, hex gorgeous skulls were good. Hex gorgeous skulls are good. I have nothing else to say about this Yeah, the range has gone down a little bit now. It's thematic. It's uh, eight inches instead of 12 And I think that was the main thing after the parts have been moved. They must be within six Yeah, that's the same And then yeah to remove the front play explosion. Yeah, still great 60 points reasonable. Yep Yeah, that's a great salesmanship. I love it Now that we're going to reduce the range by we're going to reduce the range by 50 It's thematic got them. Yeah, there you go. I'm a buyer I'm giving you less but with more. Okay. Yeah, um, the bleeding icon is still like Okay, it's it's okay. It makes people It's tracks bravery it makes people flee more I guess we'll have to see if like bravery actually becomes a really big deal because because of the inspiring presence thing And like lots people actually start running then sure I could see it having some use but my honest answer is this is third in the list and it ain't going up anytime soon Yeah, let's click it in at 50 and then the rathax 85. Yep. So the rathax is interesting So the rathax is again answer value of four summons within eight It moves eight as well in the hero phase And after this model is moved roll a dive for each unit that has any models it passed across But not the one inch just passed across On a two up that unit suffers d3 mortal wounds Then the commanding player can pick one unit within three inches is invocation Then roll a die on a one nothing happens on a two through five that unit suffers d3 mortal wounds on a six suffers d6 mortal wounds And then the invocation is removed from play If you roll a six So, okay. Yeah, it's fine. Good damage. Um, you know, especially for something hauling around twice, right? It's good and it's cheaper than like the big torus Obviously, if you just go out of the raw damage, it is cheaper than the torus. Once again, we got the salesman over here Hey, it's cheaper than the way overpriced other thing Looks cool And then the skull altar is now defensible So you can actually do what everybody always does when you play a skull altar, which is you stand your one guy on top of there So we got cover. Mm-hmm But yes, it can be occupied by one hero with a wounds characteristic of eight or less, which is funny Hey, tyler, how many how many wounds do demon princes have? They probably have eight. There we go. That would be the correct number Just checking yeah for reasons appreciate it No particular reason. I've got a I've got a core book question hit me Do Have we established that across the board invocations categorically do not Count toward your one prayer that you get in most circumstances Are they do they do as as we understand now they do uses the use of the prayer language. You are praying Yeah, this invocation is summoned with a prayer that has an answer value of four Okay, so that is using a prayer. I cross checked it with the spell one and it has the same language right there for endless spells and so yeah, that that is your one prayer and yes, that does so Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, as a moment the doc book came out and we got like heart of fury that was separate That did not count toward your prayer Yeah, okay. Yeah, I was I had I meant to check that before the show hadn't I hadn't verified that all right Cool. All right. Let's keep moving. We got a lot of armies Cities of sigmar. All right. So cities Uh coalition units one in four storm cast and the storm keeps Plus one in four of other sub factions where appropriate i.e. living city as coalition units for sylvaneth and tempestai has a proprietary overlords and so on no general no battle line standards stuff Here are the material changes. Oh, by the way, this is all the material changes folks So that's kind of what we're going for here The free guild guard the spears now get plus one to wound if the uh, if the enemy unit charged them And they lost their i'm if you have 20 or more bonus because it used to be just like multiple bonuses to hit or whatever You can't do that anymore Um, the free guild handgunners and the sisters the watch can now use unleash hell without a command being issued And no cp being spent in other words. You cannot double stand and shoot Duh the difference here is um, it has to uh Uh, that they're they're starting at the difference the the outstanding question is Can you use unleash hell somewhere else since you didn't issue the command does receiving it count? Is it being used for the use twice in a phase question? Yes, it does count Yeah, yeah, my my answer is yes again Like you've you've used your one unleash hell. You just got it for free But I can see that being another FAQ. My my technical answer is this came up on stream when we are looking over these and I checked the actual command ability wording in the core rules and it says you can only use Right, right in addition It does the receive and issue stuff as well Yeah, but then in like next paragraph on limitations. It says you use instead of either of those and so you've used it so there it is Yeah, I did not actually on vents before the show we went over this Yeah, exactly exactly this. I think you know the joe. Yeah, I think that's right, but yeah Crazy, he's saying the storm cast can still be your general in cities I thought the only storm cast that could be your general in cities was a ventus fire strike in hammer Yeah, am I missing something? Are you saying something else there? I don't think so Unless I miss something There have been a lot of cities. I can't keep track of them, but I know that storm keeps can't Right, it could briefly and then they said I can't right unless it's a ventus fire strike Because he is the literal like mayor of hammer holes So, yeah, never seen it Uh, yeah that guy oh his rules. Anyways, uh all the I have here written all the dragons are now dragons Good because all the keywords got added So that's great Gyro copters are elite for some reason not gyro bombers. Nope Screw those The only ones And then their whole like their old realm bonus where they always got to maximize the realm effects of a Endless spell since those are all gone They have plus one to cast endless spells specifically the way it's worded to your point joe is they have Plus one to cast the spell that summons an endless spell, right? Yeah I'm Press f's in chat to pay respects to A build around me interesting allegiance ability. Sure. It's now gone It's like what is what does cities need the absolute least of any possible buff? I know another bonus to cast there But only for endless spells, right? Yeah, I'm sad So, I mean they had to do something with it, right because all the endless spells lost the realm things And they didn't want it to actually do nothing, but they clearly still kind of did because that's what this does So the dread lord black dragons damage table changed a little bit, which is interesting It's an old one. Oh All right, cool. Had to do with an error in the numbers Gotcha. So steve from partners of war sent this to me get you guys a view on this the lumen arc That has a missile weapon. Yes. What happens if you unleash hell with it? Exactly picks a point on the battlefield that does not target a specific enemy. It does not target the FAQ Yeah, yeah, the answer is FAQ If you want me to give what I would rule it if I was some tl or something I guess I could but that's Navi here nor there who knows what they're going to choose. Yeah, I would say that unleash hell is Requiring you to target a unit and if you don't target a unit, but instead you target A point on the battlefield or you target some non-humid thing or you don't even have a target And then it's just like a computer. So yes or no question. You have to target this Well, I don't target at all. Well, then ability over. Yep. Sorry. However, my ruling also screws over flares and FEC because they're screech. I don't think targets either and clearly they intended on that working because They talked about lots real talked about it on the jhbu thing. Yeah, I'm not sure that's true for crit players Um I'll look it up here while we're talking the Or do they target? Yeah, that's still a target unit. Yes on crit. Oh, nevermind. Yeah, that does still work and all right And it actually could be really it's actually really great It's super great as a as an unleash hell by the by Um, because normally the problem with with crit player screen Is that you you always you're almost always rolling with minus two Because you're more than three inches away because you have to sort of charge them And then you're in combat and crit players don't stick around a long time. They're kind of, you know, whatever whatever Um, and so you have to kind of wait till your next shooting phase before you can scream at them without the neg too But because you scream at them after they complete the charge. Well, hey, they're within three So, you know, if it's the flares themselves they got charged. So that's pretty great. All right. Anyways Yeah, I mean the city stuff was mostly good the unleash hell thing was absolutely necessary We caught that one fine change for the spears spears are still like not the great choice So, okay cool. It's fine Free guild guard. Uh, I was sad to see their points actually change as had been pointed out to be by paul conty Really a free hammer haul. They are the only one of the only units that point that their points never changed I went back to ghp 2016. They were 80 points for 10 of them They eventually when they introduced a horde bonus now, they got a horde bonus eventually But they remained 80 points for 10 of them in 16 17 18 19 20 That is saying they Hit the bullseye on that one. Just never Didn't need to move it Oh, yeah, constantino springs up another point. Hollow heart did indeed lose Two spells on all their wizards because it's part of text that was supposed to be deleted Yeah, I don't think that's intentional. You're right. Like that that is technically true because it was like text that got deleted Um, I think that was a collateral damage item that they'll re instantiate in the in the FAQ I think they just told every faction that we're deleting the sentence and they didn't really think about it They'll get changed in the future if enough people email them about it Because it it really doesn't feel like oh suddenly hollow heart casts half the spells Like that doesn't seem like the intention of what they were trying to fix. There's no it's it's like skulltaker not being unique Um, he's not unique because he doesn't have a name that looks like the name of a unique character And when they were scrolling through it and finding replacing they just overlooked him right same with laur seeker And so I imagine those things a little both of them will get changed. Yep in in future agreed All right, uh daughter's a cane D Okay, uh, can we talk about the funniest change In the entire FAQ She keeps putting away her little knife and taking it back out again I don't know what this spear is made of but whatever material it is it does not hold nudge Because it is now accidentally rend one again since it was only rend two because of the previous Doc FAQ that did not get carried forward into this FAQ But will probably be reinstated in the four week FAQ So marathi's rend will have gone neg two neg one neg two neg one neg two That's her real history in the span of six months Yeah Incredible Hey the dangers of copy pasting. Yes Uh the final round of blood rights is now ignore one point of rend instead of reroll saves of one cool I don't I can't think of a single time in all of my time playing doc I ever utilized the final round of blood rights either. I was dead or they were dead that was Round five is not a it's not a turn doc is used to seeing no, I'm not entirely sure the fifth battle round exists Right Usually it's the players talking after a prio was rolled and they're like Okay, and then like two hands cross the top of the battlefield and shake And the the troops and the monsters and the heroes. They don't see about round five. It's just legends Uh the canite pendant is now chant two prayers instead of three Uh the crimson shard is only plus one to wound instead of the old plus two so again to align it with the The new caps and just lots of prayer clarifications to bring them up to the new wording. So there you go Yeah, not a lot here. Not a lot here. The funniest part is the the marathi spear thing. My god. What a great It's just just a plus I'm so glad. I hope it keeps getting messed up. I hope it actually goes to rend three somehow just Just I hope the FAQ to the FAQ that comes out a month makes it rend three just do it. Why not Well, let's go nuts. Like it's a typo actually now. Yeah, exactly. They have to change that a month later Oh, it would be my I would be the happiest It's just personal. It's it's a rend 23 because accidentally hit both of the keys, you know and just left it All right, uh, let's see. So they're in the spells. Uh the blood rack viper Um still basically the same. What's this? What's point cost on this guy 95? Went up quite a bit as appropriate Love this spell still I think 95 is fair nine inch range nine inch fly eats three models Yeah, like anything that outright slays you don't get to choose a lot of people make the mistake that you're getting to choose The three models you can't kill champions with it But still outright sleigh is outright sleigh and outright sleigh is good. So yeah Yeah, and you you have three spins on the roulette wheel to kill a little hero Yep, exactly. Just like one rack hero slayer. Did I get a six? If yes, you're dead Give me a six dealer. All right. You're out of here. Exactly. Um, but even with like elite stuff You know, you you have like ogres and stuff. Yeah ogres and blight kings and stuff like that. It's great Like I'll I'll take the shot. Just lay a couple of those outright. Yeah, absolutely. Why not? Yeah Um, and the fact that it's doing it now obviously in both hero phase is great stuff. Um blade wind is still total trash. So Oh Uh, 80 points. Okay. Yeah, this trash 20 21 threat. It could do a mortal wound sometimes and then remove. Oh god. Oh man. I missed that. Oh my yeah. Wow Oh It's real bad. Okay. Yeah So hard fury is interesting Uh, the heart of fury I like a lot. So this is obviously an invocation. I still have it under endless bills I don't like this because my whole army is multi damage weapon. I didn't want to appreciate it If you're like ogres or ko, this is not what you wanted to see, right? Yeah, this thing was 80 points I think in 2.0 book and now 55 and it's Probably better. How much is it now? 55 That's incredible. This thing is so good answer value predatory and they only change the points based on predatory or not pretty much Right. So this thing is answer value three in an army that has like Ways to get plus one to invoke, right? Yeah, quite a lot as well as other prayer related shenanigans Sweet avatars of cane in heaven are but there's items and other stuff that also plays in it that you're invoking, right? And so this thing is a slam dunk to get on the battlefield range of 12 inches Right and then at the start of the combat phase if it's on the battlefield You roll a die on a one through five until the end of that phase subtract one From the damage inflicted to a minimum of one by each successful attack that targets a daughter's a cane unit Holy within 12 of this invocation on a six You said same thing you subtract one And you add one to the attacks characteristic of melee weapons used by friendly daughters of cane units at the same range And then the invocation removes itself um This thing's fantastic. Like there's a lot of multi-damage stuff in the meta right now and there will be You know, we've talked about iron jaws already. We talked about ogre as we talked about ko But there's plenty of crap like that out there that relies on multi-damage to do some heavy lifting And uh, I really think the heart of fury is good, especially at 55 points now like for objective sitting It's great all melee weapons Yeah Yeah, everything. Yeah, it's crazy Uh, so yeah, I'm I stand the heart of fury. I think it's it's one of the better ones in this whole rewrite. It's really solid Yeah All right Disciples oh zinch Uh, all right I love by the way that Uh zinch continually has the worst endless spells in the game. It's my favorite thing. Yeah Yeah, they are quite bad Well, I mean maybe knight haunt, but yeah, oh not any more buddy. We're gonna get to knight haunt Yes, probably everybody didn't read the knight haunt spells because they were all total dumpster fires Statement pretty soon. You are going to be back peddling. I'm going to introduce you to some to some awesome stuff. All right. Anyways Uh, this is good. Disciples zinch subheader is welcome to the pink party because that's all that matters This is all pink all the time Strike up that was that that was a uh aerosmith song. Yes, there you go strike up the aerosmith song Coalition units two and four slaves darkness one and four beasts of chaos who gained the zinch keyword no corn or Nurgle keywords zinch like zinch's classic enemy is Nurgle. So that's fine. I get that but no corn either just like Nah, zinch stopped playing well with his brother here. I guess just for no reason They added a second person that you can't bring in Hmm. Okay. I don't know what they were trying to stop there, but You can't do corn. I have a question because I'm not a hundred percent on this Lore that's existed for 40 years or whatever. So like zinch hates nurgle, right? So I get no coalition correct Refresh my memory. Um, can corn in can corn include the thing that he hates? Yes, corn can have corn can't have zinch, but he can't have wizard So you can it have to be a non-wizard thing in the army. So it So it's just zinch specifically that like extra hates a bunch of people I think the true story here is that zinch is having Is like was actually in love with slanesh And and slanesh was like you got to get rid of these other side pieces. And so that was you know, that was what it was That's the story So seems reasonable. Yeah And yeah, I mean, I know I understand zinch Is is wizards and corn hates wizards and whatever It's just it's weird how they phrase it. It's fine. I just thought it was funny It's the only one that actually has two full key worded to god prohibitions. So yeah, it's interesting Um, all right the parad let's talk about the actual changes paradoxical shield one of my old favorite items I used to take it for a joke Like I used to take the fate master with the paradoxical shield and then the command rate that would let you re-roll ones To say and I would just roll all my dice and go none of those are real and then pick them up and roll them again All of them because it literally whenever the dice felt you showed it couldn't be real Um, but anyways it now makes you ethereal, but you re-roll all successful saves That's awful That is Shockingly bad. Yeah, that's somebody who like didn't do the math I kept reading it thinking like am I missing something with this thing? Like if it was a if it was an artifact you could forcibly give to your opponent somehow you would right Yes, it'd make him easier to kill I mean like that turns your four up save from stopping 50 percent of ren zero attacks To saving 25 percent of ren zero attacks Like that's the math. I don't know how else to say it. That's awful Uh, okay, uh exalted flamers of zinch are elite again. Why are the reasons for this? I don't know So one single exalted flamer can be elite. Sure. I suppose cool right on Love it Warp flame is now plus one to head for 10 or more models all flamer types like it instead of the stacking series of bonuses Yeah And so that's like on the cherry at the exalted flamers the regular flamers like anybody who can generate work flame basically Because they all have a plus one to head at 10 or 20 and so on pink horrors Models that flea do not split and this unit can go above its starting size and it can now be 30 models Yeah, which is 150 Oh man 645 points just to keep everything baseline here, right It's 645 points for 150 wounds more wounds than the average of the most entire armies Real math Yeah, the average are like even in 3.0 I imagine the average wounds in an army probably be 120 130 somewhere in that range You can get more more more wounds than in most armies total for 645 points And you can rally on these guys Okay, so let's let's break that down. You you'd send me a message about how that works I'm going to walk everybody through the simple example right now. Let's walk through the optimal situation the literal optimal situation you had a unit of 30 pink horrors Somebody has dealt 149 wounds to that unit of pink horrors And there is one brimstone horror left. Hey, we'll be back in a minute. There you see Just like that. I'm back. Here's the here's the I'm walking through this wonderful math. Hey, well, we're talking about rallying on pink horrors So I'll get a big note. This is complicated. Here we go Assume you've got 30 pink horrors to start that's 150 wounds Someone has done 149 wounds to the pink horror unit leaving you with one lone brimstone horror Who retreated last turn and you're now on the double So you get the hero phase with him more than three inches away from any enemies And you cast rally or you cast i'm sorry you use rally in your hero phase on that unit That will mean you roll 149 dice On that unit because that is how many models have been slain and you will You will return an average of 25 pink horrors to that unit Basically anybody you rally can be pink horrors up to your original starting amount of pink horrors because you can't If you literally have to return a model that was slain so you cannot Yeah, like it can go above its starting size unless you're splitting and splitting again Yeah, but you cannot return a model that never existed to begin with right So, um, let's talk about what could do that kind of damage I couched out some fun things when they said they could do this kind of type of damage So how do we do 150 damage to a unit? Let me answer question that was posed on twitter Um, here's how we do it now. He was posing it at 100, but here's my 150 damage. Sure. Okay. I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go to sons of badminton. I'm gonna go in stomper tribe I'm gonna take a gate breaker and two units of three man crushes And I'm gonna hit this unit now in stomper tribe All of the man crushers are getting plus two damage. So their clubs are now three damage swings the headbutts are six damage The stomps are d3 plus two Uh, the gate breaker is using uh clever cogs and or whatever the whatever the one is that gives him plus one to hit Okay, he has that that thing up Um, what just happened You two is uh stream is We're in struggle mode. We are oh my goodness. What is happening there? It doesn't want me getting this information out. We're getting DDoS. Yeah, Zeench doesn't want the people to know that The big truths. Yeah, the true facts Okay, we'll give the stream a minute to recover Uh, it's still going like we didn't die or anything. It's just uh, what is happening Let's take a look. We'll give a moment here. Okay, catch up stream I feel some airtime here. I'm taking a sip of coca-cola with coffee A friend of mine had recently recommended that very item. Not bad. I don't know if I would recommend it You don't like it. Okay. No, no. No misunderstand me. Okay. Okay fair. It's not that I don't like Yeah I just don't know how to feel about it and I have to keep Updating how I feel about it. Sure and after can it's um undeniably Like truly horrible for you for sure They found a new way to make something as unhealthy as possible, which is probably why I like it There we go. My internet must have choked for a minute, but it is now telling me we're back to good on the stream So we're back. Okay. Nice. Sorry about that everyone. Okay Uh, so Let's talk about it. So here we go. So we've got six man crushes two units of three a gate breaker Uh, sorry, he can't have the clever cox thing on because it's in stampa tribe. So he just don't worry about him He's fine. He'll be on his normal numbers And then uh, we're going to use the worst stampa who's standing behind Everybody who does his still re-roll ones to hit and we're going to give one of the units of three man crushes The plus one to hit all out attack Okay And then we assume basically everybody when they pile in So the gate breaker and all the pile ins right they all did their impact hits for charges So two ups d3 mortals all the all the babies grab people on their two plus right to stuff people in their pants And so on and so forth, right? If you and then the average damage out of all of that all those grabs impact hits Everything all of their attacks all of them swinging Is 153 damage Okay, it took we did it basically 1500 points of giants plus Plus another guy standing behind who's just throwing a command ability out to kill a 600 Especially you essentially you had to build an entire army to be able to deal with this unit correct In this situation Yeah, I appreciate the question. How do you do it? But I think we've gone off the rails if we're Yeah, I mean, it's a real answer is don't fight the 30 pink wars. They own that objective. Congratulations They own that objective Just remove it on turn three, right If they ever engage you retreat like this is this is what you do. Yeah, exactly So, you know, it's it's a stupid unit, but it's not like it's going to win the game on its own But it is it is unfortunate No You do actually have to do damage You do especially with the tactics and stuff now. I agree. Yeah damage is a thing. No doubt about it I can't just play a bunch of styrofoam and Just win all your games Um, Huey said in that rally example if you rolled 31 sixes You could put 30 pinks and one blue back right and yes, correct. That's exactly right Because you couldn't restore more pinks than yeah, you can always choose for any other rally to be pinks Hmm Uh, and the fate master is now simply plus on the say versus non flying or monsters So instead of plus two who who cares wasn't the point you took him anyways, so it's fine. Yeah Uh, this is going to be quick burning sigil of zinch. It's bad tome of eyes. It's also bad demonic simulacrum It's also bad true Yeah Dan I don't have to worry about the six plus word of the pinks because I kill him instantly because I grab all of their Standard bears and kill them with my grabs because I have insta slays in star combat So I'd say tome of eyes is by far the most interesting 55 points. You can still reroll casting rolls for the model that summoned the endless spell and Let's see you Does it bind? Yeah, it links with that model and They removed the little potential miscast thing that was unclear. They got rid of that Uh, so I don't know. That's not terrible, but yeah, the other two are officially terrible I feel like it's competing with cogs, right? Kind of in that shot. Yeah, that's true. Yeah Cogs will make it looks cool indeed Jeremy asked vince did your math with the gargants include that zinch has neg one to hit or for demons the answer No, I did not include the locus on the 30 pinks I was saying 30 pinks standing alone Yeah, I was counting them as like because then I would have had to have a demon hero around, right To keep the aura holy within 9 12 whatever their locus is To make that count and I would have had to then factor in their points. No, no I'm just saying straight and they don't get the neg one unless there's a hero around so Yeah No If that's in the case no, they don't I mean the damage would drop like a rock all right So after our fun stream meltdown there, I'll be interested to see what that looks like when it actually Uploads like what does that actually look like? All right, this is just crazy for a few minutes. All right fec Uh Seemingly right now they can break the normal rule and duplicate their cp summons if they're all using the charnel throne But I'm not sure if that was intentional because it was a carried forward answer Of can we all hump the charnel throne and use it? And they said yes Mm-hmm. I say yes, you can if they're gonna carry old answers forward without even thinking about them. This is what they get Use it and enjoy it Uh, yeah, so Uh, and then the metal of madness switch from once around you get to use a free war scroll command ability to once around You can use the boring command abilities. So yeah Cool This artifact no one ever took and no one cared about is now slightly less interesting Okay Uh, all right Uh, Caleb said toma buys with changecaster can get up to eight spells by himself nine plus casting Sure, he can like okay great Good good times like I Yeah, Caleb. I mean Caleb. I agree with the basic notion. I played against that changecaster with toma vibes a lot And yeah, that thing can definitely pump them out. I don't think that's what's winning you that like There were better uses for those points Caleb. I refuse to believe it Sounds like showboating a little bit. Yeah, it's just like you're doing that fun. That's a flex Yeah, like you're winning. But hey, check out this combo. Right. Don't scoop yet. I have all these cards in my hand I still want to cast them hold up I'm still comboing. Yes, exactly. Yeah Uh, all right. So cadaverous barricade Let's talk about the endless spells because these are actually interesting. Yeah, this seems actually good It is how much points? I'm sorry. It's only 55. Yeah, I like this. I like this for two reasons One it sets up a terrain feature Which is hilarious Like this thing counts as a terrain feature So if you're using the battle tactic to control more terrain features You can just pop the barricade into your backline and have somebody stand near it and control it. Absolutely Oh god, we yeah, we forgot to mention that. Yeah in terms of please Let's just check for control of terrain at the end of the game and not the end of every single turn Which is the equivalent of playing with like eight more objectives on the battlefield. It's insane. I did it once to try it It's terrible. Let's not do that. Right Um So that's kind of fun that you can get like a pocket terrain feature. That's just like I got one more, right? So Yeah, yeah But the what it actually does is if a model starts a move within three inches of this terrain feature Have the distance that model can move when it makes that move death models 24 So yeah, that's amazing. That's a long range. Yes Super long range cast have movement is always good when I read those words. I think the thing is good Even if it's not Yep, and it's a train feature. So it's possible you can't walk over it question mark It's a terrain feature that's a has a fence on it But then also it's an endless spell. Can you walk over it? We'll have to FAQ the FAQ Yeah, they didn't give us the passable keyword. So at the moment Uh, I you have to like go up and over it. You can walk over it, but you have to actually go up There you go. Hey the movement Right. Um, because it's solid and whatever the a lot of you know, sort of free is Yeah, it's one of those classic two rules are just saying opposite things endless spells you can move over them terrain You have to physically move over them, right and spend extra movement to go up and down. So which is it? Yeah, depends on if it's happening to me or if I'm doing it to someone else Right. Yeah Uh, the chalice of usher on still insanely good. I basically didn't change. It's still red Yeah, so 70 points still still pretty cheap what it does. I think it was maybe 60 previously. So it's like, yeah That's fine. I mean the the the stonks on fec in general are down right now, which you wouldn't think for the hero monster Yeah, they are Faction, but it's they have a lot of like fundamental issues Um, but at any rate the chalice is still a standout. It's just like unbelievably good Right. Sorry, uh, the corpse mare stampede Um is like a funny thing in that it can actually It can actually sort of do damage like it's not a bad damage thing Yeah, it's tempting Like to to low wound Units that can actually do a pretty significant amount of mortal wounds So like it moves 3d6 never a good start like random movements always hard or sorry. It casts out 36. I apologize. It moves 12 Right So you're never sure exactly where it starts and then after it's moved you roll five dice for each unit That has any models it passed across for each role. It is more than that unit's wounds characteristic So i.e. two plus if you're rolling at a one wound unit, right? That that unit suffers one more to wound for each six that unit instead suffers one more to wound regardless of its wound characteristics So, okay, cool So d3 mortal wounds Ish yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean obviously very target sensitive, right for 110 after reading those previous two Yeah, not a chance. No, wait. That's that's way to the killer 110 points get out of here Like I liked it when I read it and I looked at the points and I was like nope Absolutely the predatory tax Yeah, indeed Uh, and then the charnel throne is now defensible, but otherwise is pretty much the same thing You can put somebody on the on the chair on the chair Yep One hero can rule from his from his throne Uh, which is probably your arch-regent Yeah, that's you sitting up there Grew some gruesome bite Didn't that mount couldn't we spam that mount trait previously? Yeah, but the problem is now it conflicts with their sixes become More to wounds. That's the problem. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they were triggering both on a six gruesome Like or not gruesome gruesome bites the reroll to hit the the thing that makes them explode sixes now Sixes become more to wounds. Sorry Gotcha. Okay, which is terrifically sad. I always thought it was fun. I don't play the army, but I thought it was really cool Yeah, I'm sad that the Crab is killed a little bit and then also the Not being able to pile in twice all over the place with hunger Right, right. Yeah, I mean they they had a lot of fundamental things They were using to prop themselves up suddenly turn off because of the Fundational elements of the game. Yeah, it's an older book. I mean Sure, it's fine. I'll still be smash batting people and uh be happy with it. Yeah All right So Next up fire slayers. I am angry at everybody for making me read this section I like as I was typing all this in I was like I needed to have to type but I had to read it all and determine what was actually something in this stupid section um The fire slayers basically had their prayers updated. Um, it's lots of small stuff Most of which just amounts to wording things I didn't copy in all the prayers, but all the prayers were rewritten to align to the new thing And there's just prayers all over the place in this army Uh, and molten infusion was removed. That's the one you mentioned Yeah It tells me that that rule of language is just going away in the future. Sorry for talking over you No, no, you're fine. Absolutely. Um, all the rest is just updated language. They all do the same thing So functionally they're all the same prayers Uh, so let's talk about their end the spells because that's where the action actually is with fire slayer or their invocations I guess I should say Yeah, I think gilded claws the change Uh, it was giving magma drop plus one of wound rolls with its claw attacks instead of rewrote wind rolls Oh, gotcha. Oh, yeah Okay. Yeah, and they didn't want that to stack with um finest hour Right wanted it to be a little worse. Right I'm only assuming probably so probably so. Yeah All right. Thank you. Good catch. Tyler. I missed that one. Uh, sometimes when I say things like that I feel like a scientist who's inappropriately assigning Intent behind evolution or something like yeah, sure Did did they intend to do that because it would be too or did this just change like Or was it just sort of like hey all these things we need we're just gonna anything that says this goes Yeah, yeah Uh, okay, so the zargon flame spitter Is our ground sorry Yeah, uh, whatever it's fine It does some more to wound sometimes. I don't know what yeah 60 points. I don't think it changed much. Let's see It is frost wreath ice except on fire like it has the same text, right Um, it does has an ability to go away if you roll if you if it does too well and you get too many It goes away the one time you roll well it it offs itself. Yeah nice. Um against 20 or more Model units it is good against 10. It is not great against less than 10. It is The bads right Cost 60 points. I don't know. Yeah, it's an interesting little invocation My my challenge with it is as you said, it's it's really best against like units 20 strong And I really don't have a sense for how much of that we're gonna see in the game Going forward You know, is this the addition where we don't see that many? uh I've only played four games of aos 3 and I've seen fewer and fewer 20 man plus units Each successive game in a timeline So I think the initial meta might be there going away. Sure And and that's really challenging like if we're basically in a lot of like five and maybe occasionally There's like one unit in their army that's 10, but is that really the thing you want to target? Then this then then this thing just doesn't pay dividends. That's the challenge, right? Right. Yeah If sideboards exist, this would be all right. Sure. Absolutely. Yeah 100 right. Um, I could see this in an A lot of units like that in the game now with two lists. There you go. Mm-hmm Yeah Um rudic firewall changed actually quite significantly to get rid of the cheater trick that are that are former co's tom lions He's in the chat right now. Uh, it was a fan of where you made people stand near it for some reason Yeah, you stand on the close side and they still can't see you. Yep, right Um, so this one does have the you cannot move through Or across this invocation unless you're a magma drother can fly so they remembered it on this one. Yeah Yep, and It basically does very different stuff now So at the start of each phase the commanding player can pick one fire slayer's unit Holy within 12 this invocation and drop on its power if they do so the commanding player will die on a one to five That unit has a ward of six up Okay, fine until the end of that phase On a six that unit has a ward of four up until the end of that phase and this invocation goes away So, okay now it hands out ward saves It's like a little wall that hands out ward saves that also blocks space Right, which is relevant Yeah, I honestly think the roaring rune fire the thing where you can just block space and people can't move across it Is more relevant than the handing a ward save to an army that already has quite a few ward saves kicking around Oh, yeah by far And that was the case in my opinion for almost all endless spells in second ed Is that their most effective? rule was the fact that they blocked movement and Secondarily at distance second was actually doing anything For almost all endless spells I would say right With some weird examples that you build entire lists around like Spell portal and bridge and stuff like that But for the most part that was the main use of endless spells I would almost say and so that real change meant means that now we have to look at endless spells like Okay, they really just do what they say now It's a big deal. It's not the sort of meta function. Yes King bread said what the hell am I supposed to do with my 140 moon clan? Play them. I don't that is a every army isn't going to have Horts, I do think there's somewhere that's still a valid strat I think most of my scaven armies will have a 60 clan rat unit in it because I am excited about 60 clan rats And you should be too What you will do is you'll play two 60 man units of moon clan Stabbas and then everybody else who knows its monster meta and has taken the zero horde breakers will frown a little bit Wistfully as you're laying your movement trays on the table Yeah, and also you're going to put those two 60 man grot units into the Hunters or whatever the battalion is out of the ghp that makes them immune to To a monster attack tactics that way they can't be rolled on or stopped on or anything like that and you're just like come on Bring it Find your find yourself a priest for your gloom-spot army if that is possible I know it'd be a great world to live in, you know who can have it anyways, uh so bold and inferred off Again another guy who wants to roll 12 dice and do some mortal wins Um 75 points. Yeah range of 12 2d6 12 dies each minute than three six suffer mortal wounds And then yeah a little bit else. Yeah, I don't know. It seems high for what it's doing Yeah, especially because it's got a random move characteristic and random moves of 2d6 mean, um No Yeah I think we I was looking back. I think the Auric rune smiter change. Yeah, the runic empowerment. I have flashbacks to playing that And re-rolling wounds. I believe it used to be really wounds. It's now add one to wound Okay rolls as well. Yeah on the on the runic empowerment. Yeah I think tom said that all of the eep is in the comments and he's like He said that all of the uh, all the re-roll wounds became plus one Okay, I'm sorry. All right. Awesome. Yep. I Eyes glazed over a fireslayers. I'm sorry. I can't stand this army. I Do your show You could probably still get re-roll hits and wounds if the battle smith dies Tom, you might know that I was thinking that was a thing. I didn't see it in the FAQ So I guess I think that's still the thing is that you can plant a stack and then they if they don't move or whatever They get that bonus. Yeah, right um Yeah, then the magma battle forge. It's like it like it Yeah, okay, um, it's impossible. Why can't you garrison it? Why can't you climb inside the fire and die? A trick should have been defensible you climb in the oven Are these guys like you're in the lava and some words? No, they should have been able to just climb in the oven if they need to Uh, so it still kind of has the same function. There's a slight difference, but like, uh It still has the either you do this thing all the time or you blow its energy and get this other effect is still kind of the concept So it can either you can start your hero phase You can pick one friendly fireslayers priest within six inches to control the magma energies If you do so until the end of that phase they add one to chanting rolls for her for all fireslayer priests within 18 inches of the train feature You can either do that Or you can pop it and then you can no longer use the molten blessing If you use the molten blessing you pick one friendly fireslayers priest in six inches Say you're doing the spend the forge and then until your next hero phase All friendly fireslayers units have a six up ward. So There you go Again in an army that has a decentish amount of ward saves Although that being said, you're going to see like all magma drops in or a curve guard now anyways So it's it's like that. It's the lizard and shooting army. So maybe handing out a bunch of six up wards is actually good Sure All right gloom spite gits speaking of gits Speaking of random movement There's gotta be one there's only one person in the world Who's like random movement? That means it's fun That one person works for gw At the very least anybody who ran around 2d6 or like has a random movement should be a random move of 3d6 Not 2d6 Yeah, because then like you actually feel like you don't your chance to sort of get Completely screwed and feel like it's a terrible unit. It lowers considerably right Uh, all right, so the basics Skragrod's control of the moon works again and doesn't require a cp now. He just does it once a game Yay Um gava palooza members now get a five up ward in battle round one and a six up ward in battle round two Instead of the old plus two to save and plus one to save so that's cool And stabbas and shooters are now simply plus one to wound for 10 plus models instead of the old 15 and 30 for plus one plus two. I believe that was the numbers Finally the stabba reign of terror is over Especially their shooters really really showed them. Yeah, it was it was problematic. Let's be honest I was supposed to be shooting games too long. Yeah So had to had to reign them right in Um But but we haven't gotten to the fun stuff yet, which is this stuff and we won't in the gloom side get section I disagree we're gonna come to a fun thing at the end of the right keywords to have fun with this army apparently indeed Uh, the malevolent moon is whatever it's fine. What's the price on this one? I don't remember Tyler level moon is 80 points. Okay So six inch cast eight inch predatory Um Each unit is passed across two up d three mortals So it has kind of you know at that what I think is now actually the top end of sort of mortal wound causing right The everything you passed across roll a two up get d three mortals That's actually kind of good damage out of an endless spell now, right? Right And then the moon of ill omen you can subtract one from casting rolls for wizards of the nine inch this and the spell and two from casting rolls if the wizards if they're within three inches in the spell So, okay It's okay Conceptually, I like it Because it's only half of a sideboard card and understands that there's no sideboards in the game And so it at least does damage if you if there's no wizards to hurt right right Yeah, yeah, it's like uh, it's like having a card. It's like, you know deal to damage to a A creature or destroy an artifact. I'm like, okay, cool. I got I got options here stuff I can do. Yeah It's way expensive though, and I would never take it but still I like it Uh morc's mighty mushroom actually changed quite a bit um, and in a very interesting way, so it it Cast on it's cast on a six and has a range of 66 inches Which is just wacky as I'll get out because that thing can just be like, you know Just all over the board. You never know exactly where to go Boy, is that fun It's it's very goblin Um, so the way morc's mighty mushroom used to work was at the end of the battle round it popped But that meant it was like actually pretty hard to sort of know When it was going to go and like it had it was real dependent on sort of whether you were first in the turn or second In the turn as to whether it had any value at all Right because you could just like set it up and then people would just be like, okay Bye and just sort of leave outside its range just stand right on the outside of it Sure Now it's at the start of the shooting phase. So it's much more controllable and you can get it to trigger immediately And it's the shooting phase so it happens twice You roll a number of dice for each unit within eight inches of this endless spell equal to the number of models in that unit That are within eight inches of this endless spell for each five plus that unit suffers one mortal wound Um, I don't hate this thing at all. Uh, well, how much is this one? 100 points Yeah, I think this could theoretically in some matchups earn this back now again Problem it's mainly focused on horde thinning. Yeah Also, you're not immune to it. You are not and you are the one army that could be hurt the most by this Like in a mirror match, this would be the best endless spell. Sure. Yeah, it doesn't move, right? Once you Uh, yeah, it's not credit. Sorry. It's just there. It's just there. Yeah And it's actually kind of fun if like your opponent One of the one of the reasons I like morcs actually has to do with the way they structurally changed objectives You're no longer often reaching for kind of every objective in the game You're just kind of oftentimes you're trying to get to two or three Yeah, trying to get to two and then you're leaving the other ones alone because you now have one you now have two You have more than your opponents, right? So morcs mighty mushroom is this really interesting thing. It's not on a big base It's on like a 60 65 mil base whatever that whatever that one base is That's the same size, but they say two different sizes for it as the meme joe 65 Yeah, you measure from the hardest points on each side. Yeah, you kind of just like in the past and you don't Right, you kind of just throw this over on another objective you don't plan to go to And make them get rid of it. Otherwise, you're just gonna sit there ticking You know on their units, right? Yeah doing damage if they're trying to hold it with a with a larger unit It will just chew them up eventually or like they have to answer and try to unbind to dispel it, right? Yeah So I mean just for average setup range would be about 21 inches Which is usually enough to cross from one objective together on the smaller board. Yeah, it's quite a range I yeah, I really like I mean, this is one of my favorites so far Just in terms of I mean it reminds me a little bit of every place comment Yeah, I mean as joe said, there's some potential a blowback Certainly depending on where it places, but yeah, you get it. You're in the right setup Just changes your plan, you know exactly. Yeah, man unless you discover that Having like skimmed it and then you play it on the table and you're like wait, I'm not immune No Yeah, I think I would like this a lot better at sort of 80 points and acknowledgement that this probably isn't a horde meta I'm not sure. I love it at 100 like conceptually. It seems like it's got potential But at 100 points, it's like that's a lot, you know, that's kind of sitting on it Um, the arachna cauldron is still the arachna cauldron. The difference is because of the formerly mentioned prohibition about Uh, bring me like this was everybody's favorite pick because you'd ally and the the cave shaman or whatever And then bring this homeboy with you, right? Yeah, that doesn't work anymore Uh, because as we mentioned earlier in the show, you can't you don't get to bring endless spells From an ally wizard, but it still does what it does. It gives you all the spells in the lore. You got to feed it or eat you Yeah Yeah, only 50. So yeah, so good value. We roll casting dispelling and the mining rolls for the model that some of it Fantastic, it's uh, yeah cast value five Yeah, I dig it Uh, scuttle tide still so good. I love scuttle tide. I think it is one of the better endless spells in the game It gets my enthusiastic thumbs up Because its range is from a terrain feature, right? Yeah Right, so it's just so good anywhere. Just it walks out It's incredible because of that. Um, you know, it doesn't it doesn't okay damage So many little wizards like hiding in terrain somewhere to be out of line of sight from your shooters or whatever I'm scuttle tide. It's gonna chase after him forever. Right ways to spell unbinding it, you know or dispelling it Right. Yeah, it's it's great. I really like scuttle tide. I really like it It's on a relatively big base too. So I can like actually get in there and Um, and and be kind of just in the way occupying space. Yes, people can move over at whatever. That's fine It's still kind of there being in the way Um, and yeah, I can do good amount of mortal wounds and it just kind of keeps popping up Um, it seems like it's expensive now. Yeah, 85. I don't know what it used to be, but I'm much cheaper Yeah, I'm sure I think it was like 40 45. So my god, 50 maybe. All right, it was real cheap But I still I still wrap it. I like I think for its potential, it's more to wound potential It's fine. It does what it needs to do. It gets back there Like it's very hard to hide from this thing just very hard because it just keeps Right, right It's like some kind of nightmare alien creature. They're in the walls They're in the room. All right Now can we talk about the most fun change to the gloom spike gets army, which is with the bad boon loon shrine Oh, did I misread this thing? I thought it was just copy pasted from broken realms. Oh, no, it was not Okay, so first of all it's the dangers of steaming It is set up again in your territory more than three inches away This does have the remove clause. This is the third one that has the remove clause So if it doesn't fit you can remove something to set it up And it is now defensible And it's a defensible terrain feature that can be garrisoned by up to 30 models So you can put it like if you can fit it forward in your territory depending on the scenario, right? You could like put a unit of 20 shooters or stab us in there And then all your heroes Yep And then all here because it just because it could be there would be from one unit Just a bunch of other heroes are just hanging out in there with them So we put 30 gargants in there because there's no limit No, because defensible itself has some kind of Like in the core rules I need to go look I don't remember the years There's some kind of prohibition on can't have certain keywords Or wounds or something like can't have wounds or 10 or more. Maybe I don't remember there's that There is a core rules prohibition against garrisoning but a giant is like as big as it it could totally fit in there Sure It's a big terrain feature But then all of a sudden you're if your hero's in there you're measuring from the base of this thing This ridiculous terrain piece Yeah, you have like you have like this is now the this is now the base of your huge hero You're you're going your goblin to measure commandability's work Yeah models with the wound characteristic of ten or more cannot garrison terrain features Oh The old ten or more claws coming to get you. Yeah, uh other than that works like write you a clause Yeah, okay. Never mind. So this is fun. This is actually really good And as coach pointed out and you can then release fanatics from those 20 grots that are in the building as well That is also true. If you release them. Are they still garrisoned? I think you know because you set them up within x inches of the unit that They were in and the unit that they were in now counts as the thing when you're garrisoning, right? So Like fantastic. I'm telling you this bad mood. Let me try change. I was reading through the gloom spying gets and I was like Whatever whatever whatever and that came to this. I was like, hello Now we've got to change Uh, so that's fun When do you hide the fanatics in there? Is it when you set up the unit when you deploy it? No fanatics. I don't uh I don't think you have to actually dictate with fanatics. I think you just get to choose at a certain point To pop them out. I don't think you uh, no, I mean originally like put them in there like denote that that's the unit They're hiding in. Oh, yeah No, so when you select this unit to be part of your army, you must pick one friendly unit of moonclang Leslie spy. Okay. It's all the way back then. It's not during deployment Okay, so the trick does indeed work as far as I think off the top of my head If it was like as you set this up during deployment, you have to choose or something then it might not but Nice. Yeah Good stuff fun not detected So I I love this. I think it's wacky hilarious fun. I love that the Um, yeah fanatics are secret. Yes. Um, I love that you That you can pull that trick and just be like a bunch of my army is just in this building and all my heroes have a mega base and uh Come yeah, come at me, bro. I got I got dudes with swinging balls ready to come in. You're just come hit you I was about to go way off the rails. Okay So, uh, here we go. That's gloom spike. All right fun stuff so Slun ash Just keep the pain coming in my comment here Two unfortunately darkness one of four beasts of cascading slun ash no corn. It's fine Yeah, I need to talk about the invaders figurehead of the dark prince. So invaders is this fun thing Where you get to have three generals right because they're all vying for supremacy with each other Yeah, triple genies triple genies lots of people could have lots of generals now Most of them are just bonus generals and they just get to be extra generals with no cost With invaders you get to pick three generals But the other ones don't get command traits and if they're near each other They can't use command traits or command abilities at all So they have to stay far away from each other because we have to have restrictions in slun ash. Yeah lots of them And so unlike the above clarification on multiple generals where if one gets killed you get the plus two They actually went into this and FAQed at the opposite direction All three have to die to get the plus two to your heroic action role They took the time out of their day to make sure Hey, just so you know I remember those Three months or whatever. Yeah, exactly Just like Um, shall actually spell is now plus one to hit and save as opposed to the re-rolls, which is fine Yeah, nothing says excessive like excessive restrictions after all. Yes. It's it's perfectly absolutely Um, the shard speaker now gets plus one to save when casting a spell instead of the old plus two fine And the pain wringers get plus one to save instead of re-rolls. So there you go Fine Complaining about the pain bringer change and I'm like, look everybody got the treatment. It is what it is They were over-costed cast warriors before they're over-costed cast warriors now. I don't know what to tell you So this is my favorite. Hey woe fact react This slun ash one this slun ash one. Oh good. Everybody's finally gone. Yeah Question blank a finally there's no one left Question blank answer the first book was too good And so we want no one to play or buy the moving forward Question blank answer very boring very weak and summoning the three pillars of access Question blank answer. Yup. This is what we want Just perfection. I love it Yep, the other that everyone's gone Finally everyone's gone at last Uh, so good All right, so let's talk about their endless spells and stuff Um, the wheels of excruciation got a lot more expensive. These are what 100 points now. Oh 100 points hundo big hundo Uh, six inch range and an eight inch uh fly, you know move so look out for the blinding speed on this endless spell Uh, after the sun the spell is moved roll six dice for each unit that has any models have passed across The unit suffers one mortal wound for each roll that is less than that unit's unmodified save characteristic Which is great as we're going into a high armor meta I think this is exactly what we needed Also, that's exactly what mortal wounds are for right Right, we designed mortal wounds so that you could finally deal damage to stuff with terrible saving throws Right because that's what I needed to both of those six up dudes. That was a challenge Oh, no, these guys are too up save man. That's gonna be a hard nut to crack. Good thing. I have mortal wounds Oh wait, this won't do anything against them And yes, and they even added this ability has no effect on slinish units You used to be able to run the wheels over your own army to gain depravity. Even that doesn't work anymore Oh, wow. I missed that part. Yeah, but for use of game mechanics. Nope undetected Shot me down uh mesmerizing mirror 80 points how much 80 80. Okay. Mirror is interesting. Uh range of 18 inches quite a range on that Uh, if a unit starts a normal move run or retreat within 12 inches of this end of the spell It suffers d3 mortal wounds unless it finishes that move closer to this end of the spell No effect on slinish units still the same At the end of the movement phase roll six dice for each hero within six inches of this end of the spell Roll separately for each hero for each six that hero suffers a number of mortal wounds equal to the number of Sixes that were rolled for that hero. This ability has no effect on slinish heroes So still basically the same still interesting. It's still like slot machine The do I instantly blow somebody up, right? You're playing for yahtzee on one one result. That's all it is. Yeah I've been on the receiving end of yahtzee. Not a lot of fun Uh, let's see. I'm trying to see where what the points used to be on that thing Mesmerizing mirror went up 20 points. Okay used to be 60 Oh my god, the wheels went up 50 points Yeah, why? Oh lord Okay, oh man and then my friend We come to the most improved player The one that we saw coming the dreadful visage. I did not expect this But all of a sudden we have a good end the spell instantly I don't know who let this sneak through But I almost don't want to talk about it because I'm afraid they'll change it. It's clearly a mistake. Absolutely Castle seven range of 12 inches eight inch flies. So 20 inch range so far good solid like it. Yep Flensing tongues after this end the spell has moved roll six dice for the closest unit Friend or foe so you got to move it correctly within six inches of it If more than one such unit is equally close the commanding player can choose which unit to roll for For each four plus that unit suffers one mortal wound Okay, so so far all it's doing is three mortal wounds to one unit and you're looking at me going Wait, why are you why do you like this vins? Okay, if a unit suffers any mortal wounds from this ability that are not negated The strike last effect applies to that unit until the end of the following combat phase That's great So, uh-huh strike last they gave it back. They took it away from us where they removed our locus Uh, and now we get it back in the dreadful visage So, yeah, you can targeted strike you can target it give somebody strike last in a pretty controllable fashion Right. Yep. Yeah, good threat range 20 inches. Yeah, guys. Well, it's technically because it's oh, yeah Absolutely, that's that's fantastic. Yeah, it's got the cast by seven which a lot of times you want that to make it a little more difficult to dispel And yeah, I've been subtracting one for the bravery characteristic of units Which are within 12 within the spell add one of the bravery of slanesh within 12. So whatever text could just be if some Exactly Stop stop it. You already sold me. All right, like that's you don't need to be talking anymore. Yeah Yeah, this is good. It's good It's it's 90. So it's not cheap But I mean I would pay 90 points all day for this in my celestial list because this is a piece You could actually build a game plan around. Yes So my celestial list that I really like by the way when I built it earlier today Before I got to endless spells. I was at 2000 or sorry 1,000 915 points The new 10 Brutal missed it by five. All right. Anyways. Yeah, what are you gonna say joe? I'm sorry Um, is this just a better torus for cheaper? Uh Yes, it doesn't affect multiple units Which the torus theoretically does right because the torus makes everybody within three inches of it fight last Um, but my answer is yes because generally you have some unit. You're trying to make fight last right It's also super long range and super controllable like I mean a 26 inch range is thinking wheel out there and grab a unit Like that's that's good. That's good range on endless spells Yeah And the feign who had previously earned the award for most improved player Now we understand that its actual bonus is now sucks. So There you go because it's it moved up to add one to hit rolls and we were like, oh my god Plus when it hits amazing, you know, rather than reroll ones to hit or reroll hit rolls or whatever, you know, it was like this is so much better And little did we learn that we were just Just like charlie brown kicking the football here And it's impossible. So, okay, whatever Just a bit outside. Yeah, indeed Okay iDNeth deepkin All right This is going to be a simple one. You ready the basics cloud of midnight Now they are just ignored when determining the closest model so you can still shoot something There was much rejoicing Rest in peace Cloud of midnight. Yes, and I have written here boat Yeah singular You might have continued the sentence boat for sale because Every single idk player in the whole world owns two of these and now has no use for two of them ever again And needs to sell one put it in your fish tank And or you have a terrain feature now that you can play on your tables There you go The people will wonder if it's your shipwreck or not as you play for the whole game You say no, no, no, that's the one that's not the terrain feature I like the boat is the terrain get or the basin gift that keeps on giving I was donated one boat a while ago I have put it on every base for my giant army And for like like it just I keep getting it was on my crag nose. I've still got tons of boat left I don't know how there's so much boat in the boat You just get a ton of boat So anyways, yes, it's you only get to set up one boat now You can still choose to set it up as two boats or one boat, but but it is just one boat. Thank you Uh, finally, uh Also due to a new um due to a new allegiance, uh a faction terrain placement Is like the one odd man out almost where Other factions are like thrilled But they can now place those stuff in way better ways. This is the one that fully kills the crab like uh You can no longer put this in your opponent's way Good riddance out of the table, which was admittedly very annoying But also the reason why it was so strong It certainly was not any of the rules on it, which are garbage, right? Every game against an idk player two of those stupid things right my face front row center. Yep. Yeah just Like somebody sitting in front of you at a concert with a giant hat like that's what they were Yeah It's the worst it's it's kind of like my theory about endless spells before except for a few A very very small amount of counter examples Except even more so because the This worst role might as well have been blank right right now the fact that you can place them there That was a hundred percent of its power right You can kind of put it In the middle ish of the table sort of now, but now right and then it's interesting that it is garrisonable now So like it's defendable. I don't know what you would put in there Right, maybe your casters just to keep it gives us six up like Give them an extra um Save in case they somehow get shot or attacked or whatever I mean, obviously you have a lot of protection and get shooting already an idk But it is still neg one to be hit and plus one to save so you know is what it is I suppose Mm-hmm 10 reavers good to go Who Literal who So that's fine. It still has the same it can sometimes do mortal wounds to you if you're near in like, okay A rule I have never cared about once and continue to move around their boats with impunity Without any concern. So yeah, yeah, it's it's like null rod. It's like the flavor tech done null rod It doesn't do anything. No, it does nothing right, right All right, okay, so Chiradron overlords All right Okay, oh Okay, so uh old discussions are back again Hitching the old FAQ was removed. So now the question is back can hitchers hitch in the hero phase when can you hitch? When does will smith show up? Okay, that's what I want to know Yeah, when do we get the sequel to hitch the romantic comedy? We all knew and loved. That's the question That's been filling the ko chat It will probably be restored in the four week FAQ because they had answered this previously and solved it in the next Yeah Thring had their units that they can add in as coalition limited to one in four fire slayer and cos to ardent coalition units only no more go trek showing up in thring Which clearly they didn't think about when they wrote that originally um Zilph and hero phase move doesn't allow you to run to run any longer And opportunistic privateer has a very funny word missing Which is it now says you cannot make a normal move or retreat in the first battle round But they didn't say normal move retreat or run So theoretically you can still run Yes, yep Because it is no like a move is no longer an umbrella term. It's just one of the things one of the types you can do. Yep Uh, and I don't know what to think about that one. Like I don't know if they intended that reading No, or if they just forgot it They suspect as well. Yeah Uh, so fun stuff Yeah, I've been so I told you about that, uh, you know edge case I just may not even worth talking about because again, it's just one of those please stop it But with uh, the alpha beast pack or battalion States after armies have been set up before the first battle round begins You can make a normal move of up to d six inches with each unit in this battalion Yeah, so the question is instead of moving d six inches. Can I just fly high and fly high right? With my boats. Yeah, so yeah, please stop it. Uh, the answer is probably no But my answer is yes, but they have to fly so high that they land off the table and they're just gone Right works for me Uh, okay. That's all KO. All right, cool. KO or fast. I like it Uh, I went to mr. Tom lions for the KO stuff. I'm not gonna lie So if you find that I missed anything with KO take it up with warhammer weekly Tom Yeah, uh, they still got warplighting in a bottle, right? They do. Yes. Yes, they do And because Because artifacts are correctly unique after their change There's no more lightning in a bottle and then taking a second lightning in a bottle for shackles To become friends with everyone you play against That was the first thing I thought of i'm like, oh you can take two of the same artifact, huh? Double lightning with uh vortex and shackles not bad unless Such a thing as fun is on your radar in any capacity Which it should not be Uh, that sounds horrible. Uh starshark blitz is now simply plus one to hit if you're within 18 inches of an lrl hero It's not a trigonometry problem anymore to figure out if you're plus one to hit. So that's fine Good, there was a lot of rewording like that that they that there were rules that I read in lrl that I like the one about the counselor whatever from the The When a stone mage stands next to whatever like a person stands next to the big mountain And if they're there at one time and then they have to be there in the next turn and then i'm just like I I read it like four times when my friend got his book He's like, I don't know how to use this. Can you tell me how to use this? He handed it to me and I read it I was like, I don't know man. I guess you get to use command points for free sometimes It's gonna be my answer When I play against when I play against lumina they they're explaining their rules to me and it takes a very long time And they could just be lying. I don't even know I'm just like, okay. Sure. Yeah Because they just throw a ridiculous thing of that. Yeah, sure They're like, okay on a two up I get to uh This unit takes neg one bravery, but I'm not gonna give it neg one braver I'm gonna take that away and then I'm gonna give it to you and also because it's your battle shock This unit's on a two up not gonna suffer the battle shock and said you're gonna suffer the battle shocks Now you roll with an extra plus eight and I'm like, what just happened What what's going on here? This is a phase we normally skip. Why did this get so complicated? Right Okay, uh And then uh unity of purpose I have that here because it says change the rule to after a friendly Iliatha venari unit receives a command You can pick one other friendly Iliatha venari unit within three inches that unit if you do so that other unit also receives that command meaning that this can actually Double up you can get the old triple double. So unit of sentinels one unleashes hell Triple double over unit of sentinels two unleashes hell Yeah, you actually can double unleash. I'm glad lumeneth got this instead of obr to be honest like they They needed something like this clearly needed it. Yeah, absolutely. Particularly now that sentinels can be taken in 30s Right all day Yep, good times. That's gonna be fun. Looking forward to it Um, then on their end the spells things we should talk about here uh the haishishian Twin stones the twin stones, uh, are drastically different now. Uh, what are the points on these? These are Let's see. You caught me. You caught me. Here we go. You gotta have them ready. Adam 50 50 points. Okay. So obviously this was sort of a scourge because it was just like constant bonuses to cast in the old Self now it's not like that So after it summoned place a dive beside it with the one facing up each time a spell is successfully cast by a wizard within 12 and is not unbound increase the value of the die Send the spell by one to a maximum of six before lumeneth realm lords wizard That is within 12 inches to send the spell attempts to cast the spell that wizard Commanding player can say that they will draw on the power of the twin stones If they do so they add the value of the dice beside the send the spell to the casting roll Then after the effects of that spell have been resolved This endless spell is removed from place Yep, you get one bonus out of it. Yeah instead of many Lumeneth players we had it coming It was bound to happen something like this. It was the most ridiculously priced in the spell in the entire game And uh, yeah, it was I I think it's it's good change Sure, I think you'll see these a lot less now. Yeah It is a it is certainly a massive nerf to twin stones. Although it they did have hollow hearts Vastability just tacked on to an inexpensive Endless spell. Yeah Yeah, a little probably a little too good Yep, uh, and then the sanctum uh is now linked and stationary and a barrier So you're all one model just all these things got basically sort of keyworded out So you can't walk around in it and all these other things going on. Yeah, um And so it it's effectively almost like a little mini garrison you're summoning for yourself effectively, right? Uh, but I mean not it's not in the same rules. I'm just saying like that's kind of what's going on Uh, and then you subtract one from here rolls and add one to save rolls for attacks that target the model summoned by this Endless spell in addition at the end of the combat phase of this model was summoned this and the spell was Targeted by any attacks in that phase will it die for each enemy unit within three inches in the spell I don't want to three nothing happens under four five that I'm use surface one more to 106 that immune surface d3 Water wounds. That's way too much text for something that sometimes kicks back a mortal wound My god, just make it four up d3 like I hate when they split it like that like I Hmm anyways Yeah, that one went up third from 30 to 60 on that one It it lets you summon a tiny garrison for yourself. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, you summon spell armor. It's sweet. Yeah, it's cool Very anime Uh, root of petrification Uh, what's the pool? What's the cost on this one? Yeah 70 to 70 75 now. So just up five. It's basically the same Yeah um Yeah, I mean it's casting value of eight and a range of 18 inches So I think we can pretty much stop talking about this right now Hmm Because casting values of eight are hard even in like I mean sure you can contemplate it out or techless it out or whatever But okay, it's just not doing enough Like you throw it out there and it does roll for a bunch of units And sure it can sometimes do mortal wounds and subtract one from run and charge rolls And like minus one to run and charge is good. Don't get me wrong But it's only a 50 chance of it happening on a heck of a cast roll Yeah Yeah, it's still kind of about the same feeling that I've always had with it. It's kind of yeah kind of in that Yeah middle of the road. Yeah, that's that classic. Um Not taken still not taken. Yeah Yep, exactly And then the shrine luminaur, which is still the shrine luminaur and does what the shrine luminaur did as per the Time that we saw the shrine luminaur when it got introduced. So there you go And it makes a lot of command points basically Indeed Yeah Marty had mentioned about the I know he's been on about wanting clarity on whether venari units count as wizards He had mess with me today It sounded like he's still not satisfied And that that still had not been officially addressed in his view I thought but they basically had given an answer that said If damage Like you you more or less do treat the unit as a wizard, but they've not given that official answer That you treat the unit as a wizard is something like that. Yeah I I don't know. We did get the answer. I didn't mention in the core updates Well, we did get the answer in the core updates that if uh, like if the If you've got like a unit Casting their power of haish on themselves or whatever it's called and they miss cast They just suffer d3 mortals the one guy who is the caster doesn't implode Right, what should happen, but it doesn't happen, right? Yeah, you you designate somebody in there that is that that model is casting But then when the damage happens you can put it anywhere in the unit, right? It's just normal damage So their answer I guess is both sometimes. I don't know Yes Exactly, but that's fine Um, I'm not gonna like lose any sleep over that cool enough all right So close up. So the let's see some effects inflict damage that can only be allocated to wizards So I think this was what he was referencing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Yeah, can you explain how much damage is allocated to unit that is not a wizard But includes models that are wizards, for example, high warden from a unit of venari arland wardens Answer the wounds are allocated to the unit as normal core rolls 14.1 So I guess yeah, his view was that that's not again exactly Answering directly with her the unit is you know counts as a wizard But it certainly has I mean as you're saying all the indications are pointing toward that's how we're supposed to play it Yes, but I guess his point is that we haven't actually had an official direct explicit answer As at least as I'm understanding him. You're making me rewrite my timestamp. That's Sorry I'm trying to get Marty Marty justice. He took a lot of time. It's fine. He'll get his answer. I'm not worried All right Nurgle let's talk about nurgle the basics Two of four slaves to darkness one of four escaven clans pestilence one of four beast of cast and gain nurgle nosing each all pretty straightforward Pox bringer gains the wizard keyword cool Yeah plague bearers are just neg one to hit melee and shooting with ten or more models And the locus now grants them a plus one to save if they're within seven inches of a nurgle hero Holy crap Uh, the the world let me let me I'm gonna do the basic demon Ranking here. You ready? Coming in right at the top of my screen. This is this is horrors pink horrors specifically Then we come down here and we get plague bearers. They went up Then we go down here and indecipherably different at the bottom of the screen our blood letters and demonettes Yeah last among equals both of them. Yes Exactly Exactly I just love how like two of the basic demons are actually really useful Fill a vital role in their army are incredibly interesting And things that you want to put in your force and two of them are utter trash. You wouldn't stop to pick up on the street Yep Uh, they could be other just uh, no lies detected. Yes Uh So good stuff for plate bears um The lord of lights lost the neg two to hit for 20 more models, of course because you know, that's how things are Uh, and the vermin shield gains plus one to save in combat phase instead of reroll ones to save which is cool And the puscoil blight lords are elite our third elite unit Uh, these guys I'll actually buy like I'll get it. They have lord in their name like Fine. This is the first one I've read that I'm like, yeah, okay Fine But what kills me about this is they also could have just added a champion Yeah, they could have just updated the war scroll and been like one of these models is a champion and has plus one attack And it would have been like, okay Yeah, they could have not even given them anything like this is a champion period and then that's it You'll get any special you're just a champion if they didn't want to change any of the Uh, you know statistics of the war scroll I I just cannot get over this elite thing because it is nonsensical to me Uh, it means that they could issue command abilities The models in the unit can issue command abilities as though they were like a unit champions They can issue them to their own unit. Yeah, but again just make Like this is the most nonsensical jacked in last minute thought we didn't think this through we have no idea What we're describing this to oh crap somebody complained and and like this is nonsense The bright side is it only exists this whole concept of elite only exists in the FAQ Right now so we can just kill this Right like this could just go away. Yeah, we can pull the ripcord at any moment and it's gone. Yeah Also, it also exists in common parlance, right? So sure Um Elite really does mean something right exceptionally for players and what elite means is A few generally big body models, right? They're expensive. You don't have a lot of them. It's the opposite of horde in the other in other words Now it's also a keyword thing. And so every time anyone asks about elite Now I have to ask what type of elite they mean and so I'm in Slightly by this change because of that Now elite has two meanings. It has a rule meaning and it has a conceptual meaning and They don't necessarily overlap always And um, there's really no rhyme or reason to tell how they should or when they should What if we get the elite keyword and just change it to leaps, but it's spelled 1337 Yeah Yeah, okay So, I mean most of the likes puskal blightlords obviously they don't have a designated champion or command model In those two models. So they're they're they're both elite So they apparently I mean, you know to take their side, I would we're trying to speculate I would guess they thought that we need a second category That you can't simply have so champion is going to be our new category For those units that will have a champion model. It's like ben dick doors. It says champion on the war scroll now Indominium, but so we need a second category for elite I mean, I get the point about how it's a bit Willy-nilly right now in terms of what's getting elite and what's not and maybe a little bit more definition On what should be getting it and what shouldn't but I would guess it's something like that Yeah, my only trick is they did other war scroll changes like again. They could rather than jacking in a whole new mechanic Like flaming pole says elite makes perfect sense for any unit that wasn't built with a unit champion model I don't get why you're so confused I'm confused because it isn't necessary lots of units don't have like who's your unit champion Who knows like the guy with the bell the guy with the sight the guy who looks like this the dude with the pointy hat The guy who has the red dot on it like how many times do you face people who they're like? It's this guy. He's the one with the white beard instead of the brown hands. Whatever Okay Like they could have just said add the following text to the fuss globe light lord scroll champion one model in this Unit if it consists of at least two models, maybe a unit champion Hmm Yeah, I'm not I'm not asking for it on everyone too It makes perfect sense that yet. He is don't have a unit champion because they're just mindless beasts, right? They wouldn't necessarily have a leader like I make sense Right a big deal Right then some other ones Yeah, I think my only my non twitch acting problem with it is probably just the Randomness that it's splattered around and then stuff like brand guard isn't and that makes no sense. Sure Yeah, like if they're going to use this we're going to suddenly add this whole new thing Then give it a real pass like if you're going to do a new mechanic do a new mechanic and this just feels very It very feels very half-assed to be honest, right? Yeah, but I but I yeah, I mean not to belittle the point But I mean to me that seems pretty straightforward. That's why they've done this is postcode light lords don't have a champion model Therefore we need a category to make sure that they can benefit from commands. They can issue commands themselves Because obviously they wouldn't Eric Anderson. No baron guard cannot because they are not elite Yeah, that's a problem Yeah, anybody should One in 10 million apparently doesn't equal elite, which is something like their number It's actually I think top couched it out once because they actually went through the progression of how you go Like one in x one in x one in x and they eventually what becomes a baron guard I believe it's like one in 10 million chaos orders or something like that becomes a baron guard It's some insane number Okay And then the feculent narmaw it's impassable The the nothing on here is actually the relevant change as much to the feculent narmaw as much as sort of the nature of how it gets Set up now because in so many Territories your territory is very scrunched Right. There's a lot of short territories and it used to be the thing with narmaws Was you would just set it out in the middle of board to slingshot your dudes, right? You're going to run straight for it and then slingshot charge into their lines And now there's just a lot of scenarios where because of the placement of this thing That is just not the case anymore, right? Now theoretically they haven't answered how summon terrain works theoretically summon terrain doesn't have to be put in your territory It can be put around So if you summon more trees later, you can still slingshot people and put them out in the middle But your initial tree will not really slingshot you in most scenarios not all most Yep, okay Uh cool Knight haunt Knight haunt actually had interesting changes. I have to say No, and I'm preparing to backpedal once we get to their styles Okay, um kurdos's ability to steal a cp is only the cp you gain for your general being on the battlefield So, um, I guess if they kill your general, he just can't steal cps anymore. So take that Uh This is kind of basically how it used to work because you could only Get your initial one, you know each of the turns, right, right? It's not like cunning enscaven, which is just right. Yeah, he wasn't rolling every single time you ever accrued one in any way, right? right, um, so Um value judgment of him is sort of the same as it used to be. Yep, blade guys revenants are now elite. Sure Why not? Hey, all right Here you go. Here you go kid I have an elite unit. That's not even the night haunt unit. I would have picked by the way to be elite That's what's so funny about it because they have like units of two That just makes sense But anyways, and most importantly The black coach is now a totem. I if I had a mission accomplished better. I would drop it down Yeah Uh Amazing Uh, fantastic. They're now they're now halfway to doing the right thing which is making it a hero Exactly on the journey We're on a spectrum Taking making it a totem is the first step towards having it be Legitimately like really useful Instead of people taking it and post-hoc rationalizing taking it because it looks so sweet Forever Sure Uh, yeah, I I love it as a totem because obviously now I can issue like it has a huge range to be able to issue orders around It can give itself its own bonuses. You know, again, you're right. We like it still should be a hero That would still be better right, um, but Better great meme. Yeah one in 10 million ghosts with a sword become a blade guys driving a crack. Yeah That's what it is So cool stuff. All right, let's talk about yeah the missing thing by the way, and I do agree I don't know who had said it. Uh cw kreiner said where is oleander's war master biggest oversight in my opinion So war master is the sort of word that they use the phrasing of if you're if you're in the army and not the general You count as the general Right. Um, and yeah, yes, I agree. She should have war master. Yeah double jennies should be a thing Yep Uh Jacob we go until we're done buddy. All right, so uh the shyish reaper um It's it's just a slightly different version of the Uh, the big aether void pendulum and still not very good, but it can pivot which is nice Yeah, but it's like you can move around but its movement makes sense Yes because it It it goes right. Yeah good one Um someday I'll get my uh someday. I'll get my biggest pet peeve in the entire game Because someday the pendulum will go to and also throw as a pendulum does Well, if you look at the art on the aether void pendulum, it's like the size of the titanic Yeah, like it's it's swinging through the battlefield one time and then it's done like that's the whole journey It would take for the battle. Yeah, the count like the art for it and then their flavor text All this stuff is like trying to explain why It doesn't act like a pendulum when you could have just had it not be a pendulum and no one would ever like anyway, yeah Stepping down from the potential soapbox here. Sure. Sure. So the reaper is rolling in his grave Even though he's still alive because the pendulum doesn't move back and forth. You're fighting against preconceived player notions here. Absolutely This reaper is interesting because it's the opposite of the wheels of excruciation Exactly, you know because for each roll that is equal to or greater than that unit's save characteristic They suffer d3 mortal wounds Okay, now we're talking see this is the right way to go So the harder things to kill you have a better chance to do mortal wounds to Okay All right Yeah, the range is so yeah 14 inch threat range, but it is yeah two dies for each unit any models passed across So yeah potential Yeah, if you're swinging into like a three up save unit, that's actually a pretty good return on your investment there, right? Yeah Yeah, no, it's it's it's 70. Yeah a little expensive It needs to be a little cheaper, but I don't hate it. It's better than it was in this context All right, the vault of souls is stupid and long and still bad and I'm not gonna read it all Okay, good because there is a novel on there and nothing happens. It's yeah, it's Way too many words for way too little effect. It's still bad. How much is it? It's 85 I know. Yeah No, it's predatory gotta double it easy No bad stop now. Let's get to the thing that matters Boom Let's talk about the terminado Okay, the terminado terminado. Yes The mortals terminexus or as I'm calling it the terminado Okay, all right Casting value six range of 18 inches Hey, whoa big old range and it's predatory and it flies eight more 26 inch threat range After this endless spell is moved the commanding player can choose whether it will reverse or hasten time Who cares about reverse? Forget that exists. We're gonna go straight to hasten. Okay If you choose to hasten time Roll a dice for each unit within six inches of this endless spell. That is a lot of units Yep on a two plus that unit suffers a d3 mortal wounds Love it It essentially teleports behind the entire opponent army and sits in a In a free circle. Yep next to three foot wizards and like half of a chaff unit and just sits there Paul sing and wasting their time correct It's gonna keep doing it They can actually move around and keep blowing up keep chasing them down as they try to run away from it And it actually moves and so what you're saying is mortal is terminus aka the terminado. Yes Is What cities of sigmar players? Always thought the comet was but wasn't correct. Correct. I'm saying this is like mini nighthawk comet and it's real good Yep night comet What does it cost? 85 Yo, whatever it went up 25 exactly worth it right like 85 not bad. That's not even double. All right. Yeah Like i'm telling you terminado is here Get ready like if you're playing night haunt this should be in your list like this is a great endless spell Yeah, so night haunt you're now able to snuff out multiple candles Yes for for plus three each pop remember you can just power this thing out Yep, so i've been playing night on a fair amount recently and what has often really stood out is the mortal wound output But they don't have enough of it from their spells You know olander or rike or lender is not in range or you know riker is not quite doing enough on his own But yeah, you add this in the mix. Maybe even the reaper with this I mean, it's it's a little shorter, but like I think the reapers It's not as interesting, but you know, I think you could have some play too Yeah, I mean I could really you you snuff out a candle for each of these Two different wizards. I don't know could be pretty could be pretty tasty. All right. I'm I'm backpedaling A full rotation maybe 720 Uh So yeah, like this is uh, I when we were reading through all these kind of prepping stuff I got to this thing and I read it and I was like wait. I had to double take it. I was like, wait a minute. Hold on Is this actually good? This is really good Like did I miss something is there like then the wizard dies who cast it or something, you know Then I remembered it. We're not in slanesh. So it's fine. Uh, no, yeah, this is a great spell. I love terminato. So A plus on this one. Yeah, if they had like a second endless spell that could really do the damage Like this, like I was thinking about maybe you combine this with like a stuff with an upward burning head You know, like because burning head sort of a fire and forget Area d3s, right? Yeah, it's really cheap. So cheap. It's like 20 points Like you fire the terminator the terminator and then you just drop a burning head Yeah, yeah it goes away Let's see. Yeah, there's really not a lot of options that have the movement. Yeah, yeah burning head six inch set up eight inch So yeah, it's got this base 14 cast five seven Each in the units within an inch roll a dice within one inch two up d3 mortals. Yeah, and then just remove the play I mean, that's yeah, that's pretty that's great. Okay. Never mind. Yeah this over the reaper all day Yeah Like that that's a relatively like a 105 point combo that if you that if they set up their heroes wrong you kill them all Yeah So it's good. I mean you potentially. Yeah, check that through a portal as you know portal as your third spell Hang on the back. Check that through there. Yeah All right ogre maw tribes. Uh, here we go joe. We're finally here with all the big changes. Oh boy That I wrote down one piece of text Man-eaters joe, you ready? Yeah, they're elite Nice Absolutely So I expect to see the man-eater lists popping up everywhere. They're going to be the new spam unit No doubt. Uh, they're not battle lines. So no This was not the next man-eaters needed by the by On the gut buster half you might be tempted to run these in msu's like a bunch of them. Maybe I think The fact that they're not a battle line probably kills the crab although If you're like dead set on a gut buster list and you really Just actively refuse to play even one like stone horn or something. I could see Running a bunch of man-eaters that all have run in charge in their elite and they have They have shots that are better than lead belches um I guess you you could maybe do that It's not exactly a change I would have gone for on them But yeah, especially because they're still like so expensive once wise. Yeah, they're stupid expensive and not bad One which kind of hurts but All right, I'm gonna sit back. Oh sure Joe because I want you to take us through why the maw pot is now so much better It's impassable that that's a big change, but really it's all about the setup. So walk us through it Yeah, so great maw pod The first tournament I entered with the new ogre maw tribe is battle tone. I was playing boulder head And I didn't bring a maw pot Because it didn't do anything I don't have any wizards in my half of the book. So I'm not enjoying a cast bonus from it You had to set it up pretty much Close to the back line Six inches it had to be set up from everything was crazy. Yeah, you had to be six inches away from like everything else And the only way you fill the maw pot back up is if an enemy model is slain within six of it And there's just no fighting around this thing. Why would you do that? So your opponent would have to like choose to fight around it for some reason which they just wouldn't And even if they did it would take the casualties from like the back of the unit and it still wouldn't affect it For the more you need a hero standing next to it to be able to use it Uh, which you're just not doing in beast class So like clearly the thing was designed with gut busters and not beast on mine So I didn't felt like I didn't need to take it or anything. Um, and then on the gut buster half You had your wizards standing next to it so they get a cast bonus, but then all your men move up, right? Your wizards are like shall we follow these units or babysitting? I guess we have to all right. So the maw pot Once again, just kind of didn't do anything now The world has changed so Instead of this thing up outside of three from objectives huge and anywhere in your um Not side of the table kind of depends on the battle plan, but um, you can put this thing up You can put this next to an objective like three inches away And people tend to fight on objectives. So it's possible this thing actually does something, right? You can have your wizard standing next to it There might be enemy models that die near it and then it gets like filled back up and you can be using it and stuff This changes the game. It actually does something now and you can potentially even do some silly stuff Well, not silly, but like It does something for instance, you can you empty the pot during the hero phase Yep, and so you can like empty the pot aoe heal everybody and it's basically the board Is like 36 Oh, holy within 36 hold on Yeah, it's it's the board. Yeah, um so 36 inch ogre keyword specifically so like not yatties and stuff but d3 healing big And that's during the hero phase and then like your butcher can cast whatever The maw and deal d3 to some Grot or something that's standing next to the maw pot of your opponents and it dies It fills it back up and then you can use it again So you you you can possibly even double up on it, right during your hero phase, which is kind of cool This thing is worth buying and using even if you're playing beast claw now It's amazing. If I played gut busters, I'd probably be even more excited about it. So this is huge Um, they didn't do it on purpose. They changed all of the faction rules But we have accidentally benefited from it for sure. It's impassable. I don't think that matters Yeah, did they did it always have I know it had plus one casting, but it always have unbinding and dispelling to plus one Possibly not dispelling, but I think so. Yeah, okay. That's great either way, you know Either way, it didn't really affect like my half of the army Although you're kind of using wizards now Because mystic shield is so p right on frostswords because the name of the game is like As many frostswords as possible on a two ups somehow everything, right? It's mystic shield if it's a final stand or whatever if it's, you know, whatever you just have them on a two. Yep Which makes sense, right because if they die you lose the game. So it's probably a probably a good thing Anyway, this is sweet. I'm pleased It's a pity you can't have opponents garrison inside the pot itself to cook them up It would be so much cooler if you could garrison it with one Like one model and that one model would be like, you know, like Over hero, you know It's like, yeah, the dudes in there cooking, you know, like that's that would be great That's the only trick that was missed here, but I don't know that you actually would garrison We probably still just keep him near it, but that's why Yeah, so there you go The biggest change was actually I think probably accidental, but a great change like the mall pot is a super good visa terrain now So yeah, and our other huge change on mount rates was also definitely accidental and will probably be rescinded Two weeks or so. Yes, as we talked about at the start of the show I would not expect the eight metal cruncher list to survive more than a A month of intentionally misreading. No Oh, and also I think you They'll be unique as well. There's no way you can run metal cruncher on all of them moving forward Yep, even though other people have done that but Yeah, I think they'll probably just make all mount rates across the game unique, which is probably fine Like I would rather no one do it. That's fine I want to do it one time. Sure. I'm good Uh, all right, let's talk about them works now. Obviously. This is all probably doesn't matter because Again, they're about to get a new book and probably less than a month Uh, mall crushes can now duplicate mount traits just like you mentioned for them probably accidentally Because the text below has been replaced. So you can now have multiple meanings or weirdons or whatever. So Cool It's a fun accident. That's what I have here Yeah All right, that was a quick one. Okay That's it because nothing else about them because they're getting a new move. Yeah Yeah All right. Oh B are My my statement here is does this army actually work anymore? Oh, no Okay Let's talk about already events you're echoing a little bit. I don't know if I think it's you echoing. Is it me echoing? Okay Here's the part of the FAQ that I thought they would Do something with And they did not They did not like did you really intend for rdp to be like An allegiance ability you gain and makes you arguably straight worse than people who can just use command abilities and it Seems to be what's happening. Yeah, it's interesting Why yeah, it does maybe it is me, but I can hear it. I shouldn't hear it if it's me Like We'll see Um, there you go. It sounds like it's not happening. Okay, cool Uh, all right, let's talk about rdp. Here we go so all right The the long and short of all this is that you now generate an ungodly amount of rdp And have effectively nothing to do with it. I mean, that's really what this all boils down to right because You don't get to use like relentless discipline points are used to issue a command in the same manner s command points I have that highlighted meaning they suffer under all the same restrictions. They can't be duplicated You can't issue or receive more than one blase blase blah, right? But can only be used to issue a command with the abilities that appear on a war scroll that has the aweserk bone reaper's keyword Uh, or to or the unstoppable advance command below which is the plus three move which you can not only do one of Right because again, you cannot repeat these so only one unit gets the plus three move um, you know So it's like they can't take advantage of unleash hell. They can't redeploy They can't rally. They can't all out defense. They can't all out attack They can't all the things that we've talked about that are really the fundamental defining functions of the game right now Instead they just get what's on their war scrolls and they can do it less Like I do not know how they don't just sit on a giant pile of rdp that disappears at the bottom of every round That is what happens. Yeah, I've talked to some obi our players and they're like I literally cannot spend all of it Right. I just it just runs out And so other quick notes, um petrofex elite the ability that was originally plus one to save And then became re-rolling ones to save is now lower rend by one Hmm good times a charm Catacross arcan and negosh are all now bonus generals and negosh can arcane bolt any number of times not mystic shield, but arcan can do both outcome I don't know I don't have a good answer for you You're asking me a question to which I don't have an answer Uh, but yes because because arcan's staff of spirits is what allows him to arcane bolt or mystic shield Any number of times in the same euro phase and that did not get f aq'd but negosh's staff of alakanesh or whatever it's called Did get f aq'd to say only arcane bolt So arcan can trip mystic shield, but negosh can only single Feels like an oversight, but it was worth mentioning Oops So yeah, there we go that that's true double jennies. Yep. Yeah. Yeah They can double genny all over the place now with like they have lots of double genny options Uh, yeah, I mean do we have any more thoughts on on obr? What we'll go through there in the spells in a second, but like I mean this just doesn't feel like they're playing 3.0 yet right Yep need that book with their archers and etc. Right Part two Yep Yeah, I mean it really sucks really sucks Hopefully they'll get the book early and in 3.0 We haven't really had any rumors yet. So we'll see. Yeah Yeah, and flaming pull. I'm not or I wasn't pull. Sorry flaming flaming op Yeah, I don't I don't think that like eight mystic shields was correct. I'm flying with it going away It's just weird that I could have three mystic shields For four total, I guess right or whatever because he can do it even if it's already been cast um But not eight like it just it feels like a missed f aq obviously, right Okay Uh nightmare predators So the thing to talk about that would be our in the spells is that they all have this bonded thing now Right, which they always did but I mean now it's kind of like this is how it's keyworded now Like that's all you can formally put on here as opposed to sort of in the generic rules Um, you can't be bonded to more than one in the spell at the same time And you cannot attempt to summon other in the spells while you're bonded If the model that is summoned this on the spell is removed from play then this on the spell is also removed from play So and you're going to see it up. You're going to see that same wording later in Uh seraphon as well because both are basically using the same same stuff now Um, the nightmare predator is bad There we go Yeah, 65 way too much for what it does. Yep. It has a short range and a random move Get out of here. So Um, yep, uh the soul stealer carrion Uh It's like sure It's not good. I'm not even getting into it. It's too too much text and it's it's it's even worse than the predator And it's 85 points. Right. Yeah, we can probably move on the only advantage to it a second site I guess where it can like let you see things but again, it just You know, that's fine. Yeah, it's neat that it can be set up anywhere, which is cool Like I guess if you're it's cool that you can beat line of sight blocking stuff but um There's not that much of that going on because they didn't put in a formal terrain system that really aggressively blocks line of sight in a huge way And a lot of people block line of sight like if you're playing to spoilers They're just going to go turn terrain pitch black and then stand in it So it would block line of sight to the soul stealer carrion as well Yeah, like, okay Uh, your bone tithe shrieka Um units cannot receive The inspiring presence or rally command while they are within 12 inches of this endless spell has no effect on obr units And no escape and one to hit rolls for attacks made by obr units that are uh within 12 inches of this endless spell So this is a good one Yeah This was great 85 points. Yeah This one's the opposite of that other one. The other one is they can't issue this one is they can't receive Right, which is what you want, which is the which is the good one. Yes. Yes. I'm trying to control the Um echoing so I've been hitting the apologies chat. You're fine. Okay Uh, yes, this is way better because yes, it's turns off receiving so once you set it up There you go, like you've shut off that unit's ability to receive inspiring presence, which is what you want Right now when you hit them they die Uh, and then finally the bone tithe nexus is interesting. No more will it be the ultimate Just sitting in the center of the battlefield, which is where it appeared every single game Because it has to be within your territory. This thing is so big It had to have the remove terrain and I could see it still, you know Sometimes getting into bad positions because there are territories here that are so small Like some of them are just the three blocks And you've got to fit this whole giant footprint In your space That's rough. So, you know sort of like Almost a blessing in disguise now it sucks. Sorry, but there is a silver lining, I guess And that's if you had to just always place it in the middle It would be destroyed every single game forever Right because there's there just about isn't a monster in the game that can't turn one get to The center of the table bone tithe and be like get out of here. Yeah, that's true And so that change uh before we hit this FAQ with the new, you know, terrain rules and stuff. I'm like, oh, no Bone tide nexus is just always gone. Isn't it? But now it's just um Really screws with your deployment and is really annoying for you as the player of it instead, right? Yeah What an awful FAQ for OBR top to bottom, honestly, they were the big losers here. No doubt. I mean, they were the big losers Yeah, the the shrieker is interesting. But yeah, shrieker is only kind of an exception range of cast probably five range of 12 It predatory move of eight and then yeah beacons out 12 inches So 32 threat range essentially. Yeah, it's great. It's a solid in the spell like it's it's one Bright spot and otherwise see of kind of darkness, but it's but it's great in the spell. Yeah, it's super good Uh, okay. Yeah, I mean with It's a shame I was really looking forward to destroying a bone tide nexus in the middle of the table with my llama cat That tiny little llama cat like I was gonna walk Roll the three definition like meow Knock over this crap get this out of here But sadly, okay Seraphon All right I'm gonna have a lot of time stamps. Okay, seraphon Bind endless spell can only be used by a wizard that hasn't been bonded to a spell Bonded endless spells. We already talked about them Basically, they allow you to ignore the range to remain controlled as long as the caster is alive They remain bonded. So you're gonna see that Um, and then parting shot. I just copied all this nonsense in here because it was so a bit too much to retype Basically parting shot is it you can use this command ability when an enemy unit ends a charge move within three inches of the skinks So it's competing with You can't do this and unleash hell Yeah, right being the the point here because yet they're both triggering at the same time The unit can't receive more than one command So you can't do both the trick is with this one it remains within three inches of the skink unit As I go within nine inches of unleash hell So if you were that close you can choose to do this one And then on a four up you get the chance to retreat out, right? And didn't this this used to allow the skinks to Do this even if the enemy was not within three of them Just within Nine of them, I think like you could you could be charging a different unit And then yeah, the skinks are within their nine inch range. I think it would trigger. So yeah, that's a nice cleanup Yeah Much better much less annoying still. Yeah Yes, absolutely still remain probably the best battle in the game go ahead Agree, but also it was coached as seraphon still have bound bail wind. It does not no points for it in the ghb it is gone baby gone and 85 good riddance 15 off I'm probably more than 98 to camp, but sure Yeah, fair enough, but it's like put a fire belly on there. He's not doing anything wrong But everybody else was so it's fine. Yep. Yeah Can't put croc on in any way the model's too big both in wounds and size So the problem kind of solved itself before they got rid of it But I don't think it's been for sale For a long time at least on the web store. So writing was on the wall about that one. Yeah Asking for a model to tip over and smash to like In the course of actual flights and that could be one of the reasons for it I plan to use it as a basing conversion because I still have my new inbox. I've been sitting on it for years never put it together I was just waiting for it to go away so I could use it as a base Um chameleon skinks now gain a four plus ward in cover This is the in the world of what happened because you gained more than plus one save conditionally chameleon skinks used to get plus three Right in cover and instead they decided why do you like everybody else? With most other units if you got more than plus one to save you now just got plus one. They just lowered them down Right, that's the fate master. There's a lot of units that are like that Chameleon skinks. They were like no no you precious little babies you beautiful beautiful ugly pieces of resin from 1997 We must give you this beautiful ward save What? What in the heck? I I don't think they're they're not battle line. You can't make them battle line, right? And they're I think they're min five. So that might be the the silver lining with this is yeah, you're gonna just see 10 of them run around Does this mean a new sculpt is on the way? I mean technically yes, because I guess we got one in the underworlds warband. So Yeah, we like all of the single one in that Uh And then finally uh slon and star seers can't duplicate their cp gain ability you roll once no matter how many you have I if you have two slon you roll two dice total if you have five slon somehow magically play a 3000 point game You get two dice total So yeah, there you go Uh, and then the realm shaper engine It's it's fixed They fixed it It wasn't hard, but they didn't want to do it and now they did it Yeah, it does what it used to do, but now it can actually be set up in your territory It's one of those ones that can again replace along with the goblin shrine and the obr nexus We just mentioned and it is defensible. So yes, it can garrison up to 15 Models can hide inside standard garrison has nothing more than nine ones I like that it's now have power armor made out of a pyramid, which is pretty sick Yeah, and you finally no longer have to flip a coin before the game begins to figure out if you're going to use your terrain At all or your opponent is just going to use it I just stand next to it and be like, oh, that's weird. I don't know why this is here and it doesn't affect the game at all Exactly so yeah I like the 15 cap because you're not going to have 20 skinks in the stupid thing. You're going to have some saras Yep. Yes They picked the right number I mean, what it's going to mean is you have 10 skinks in there and a bunch of skinks Sure Okay Skaven all baby Let's get into it I think some people might have been upset by this game and when I was not I was pretty excited about it. Skaven got candy and toys Yes, I mean, okay across all the various changes recently and everything, but I don't know I'm liking a lot of it, but you play Skaven. So I'll let you know. I love this Strength and numbers we still get our bonus for every 10 models Basically, it's neg one to the battle shock roll for every 10 models you have so Excellent still all about that The liver bubonicus used to grant you an additional chance now. I just grant you re-rolls to your chance, which is fine Still it's fine I would have rather had an additional but I'll take re-rolls re-rolls are good because I'm honestly That's still a great thing because I'm just fishing for four and answer value of four because I'm casting curse That's the only thing that guy's ever going to cast. I know he's just trying to trigger a great plague And then get bonuses to more casts Uh, the vermin lord with the scry orbs This is everybody's favorite vermin lord my favorite vermin lord his re-roll saves is gone It becomes a static plus one to save and the great manipulator lost its ability to stack which is fine Like whoever took you You are taking multiple vermin lord warps or you have vermin lord warps years But it no longer grants d3 command points on a six instead. It's just three plus plus one command point Which is fine. Like I did have a game I got one game in where I played these and I did roll two sixes out of the five turns I rolled him two or sixes and I was just swimming in command points Which is amazing But it doesn't matter. I'd still take him 100 percent now the fact that he's now rolling around statically with that plus one And he's a hero monster so he can have his finest hour. He can all out defense himself He can just be rend proof all over the place. Like it's great Yeah, it's perfectly fine. He's bravery 10. He heals himself like it's going out of style Uh, stonks, right? It's fantastic. No issues happy with him and uh And then jazales jazales also had a plus two to save and this is the way this is a good way to solve it jazales moved to a five plus base save So they just they got one of the two points all the time now And the paves is now plus one versus shooting What a win Nice and straightforward. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good pavis. Yep So solid there. Um, yeah all fun stuff Um, so I'm I am I continue to be more and more excited about scaven Honestly, the hardest part about me playing 3.0 right now in all the games I've got in Is not just playing scaven over and over again Like I need to I'm trying to play through all my armies to get a good experience and feel Of different armies, but I just want to keep playing my scaven because they're ridiculously fun in this edition Like they use all the tricks you feel like you're playing like a you really feel like you're playing like some three Some five-dimensional chests, you know Is you're like redeploying over here and then your your heroes in combat and then they forget and you skitter away And it's just like it's you're just captain. I go where I want to go. It's great Uh vermin tide it's like scuttle tide but worse Yep 80 points went up Went up 100 40 point increase lovely Uh, yes So it's it's not good. I mean it's it's like it's okay, but it's not good. Um The warp lady vortex still toxic somehow Yeah, amazing why are you like this? Can't believe they passed up this opportunity to make this thing fun somehow I guess I don't know It's weird that it's in the scaven section though. I'm used to seeing it against ko, but that is strange. Yeah Went up 10 points 90 points fixed it. Let's move on. It's ridiculous. It's still just as toxic It still does the same thing. It's still double taps in the turn in the first turn because it's when the other spell is set up And at the end of each movement thing Yeah, I read it like three times and it I mean, let me know anybody if I missed it that appears to be exactly the same Yeah, it comes pre nerfed already from 26, I guess Yeah, sure. That's an old that's an old change and it um Still not very fun. Hmm Uh As britney spears would say this spell is toxic and I hate it and I wish they would just unmake it and and apologize and issue a formal apology Uh, the bell of doom is also bad This doesn't actually do anything you want it to do Do not take this do not think this makes anything in your army immune to battle shock. It does not That is not how this is gonna work Because what's going to happen is your opponent is just going to dispel it whenever they want to since it's a fairly easy dispel So on a six. Yeah. Yes, and then it's going to go away And that's all it does. It doesn't actually do damage very like except on a very out unusual role And then it also goes away. So it's not providing battle shock immune. Yeah, it's insanely expensive too. It's 85 points This is Imagine summoning this thing and then you actually roll that number and it just disappears and now I can guys die Oh boy This is a bad spell I mean it fits the theme, but it fits the theme a little too well Of your guys sometimes explode and your stuff doesn't always work. Yeah, right Yeah Uh gnaw holes, uh, we get to break the rules because we get to set up our faction terrain outside of our deployment area So take that everybody else, which is cool Um, the terrain is now impassable, which is probably a good thing I don't have to try to stack my own rats on my own gnaw hole anymore Nor can an opponent just stand in the middle of my gnaw hole anymore. They have to stand slightly to one side um Still it now grants plus one to chanting and casting dispelling and unbinding roles Really did we need we didn't need that? Yes, we did that chanting So it is um is a great play natural or Yeah, it's unmodified. Yeah Oh, it's so good But it's and then you can still teleport around through it. The sort of limitation is the the oh It also got pushed up to eight inches You can set it up from the edge of the board as opposed to six seems like a minor change It's actually quite big especially on the new smaller board Uh, and they have to be 18 inches from each other So you can't you can't just like set to in your own zone, which sometimes you would do but It's pretty rare move like using the gnaw holes properly is a big part of playing scaven properly um Yeah, it's great gnaw holes are amazing. They're fantastic and and they only got better Behold our power So yeah, good stuff Uh, all right Slaves to darkness why these these armies just keep going They really do All right Archeon can go in any of the other god armies not as a coalition unit counts as a bonus general So in other words corn, zinch, nergal, slinish Yeah, miraculous visions chaos warriors and iron golems all got their re-roll saves replaced with plus one to save Under the same conditions as they used to have before so iron golems when you don't move Chaos warriors when you have 10 models the racular visions when you say it happens Hmm so Thank you gw Regular visions one of the most toxic things in the game on archeon I mean not that it's not that it's gonna matter much. I mean he's still just fine, but yeah Yeah Uh eight full doom sigil. It's bad so we can just move straight on from that fantastic Still a great it's great for basing. That's my answer Oh, I hoped you would go through the entire novel of how many flaming hoops you have to jump through to get one buff I guess. Yeah, maybe No hard pass on that Uh darkfire demon rift got slightly corralled in a good way Um, basically it used to add one to the number of mortal wounds that dealt for every wizard and endless spell within 12 Benches, which is to be honest. It was usually wizards Uh now it's just plus one for every endless spell within 12 inches. Otherwise, it's just d3 mortals It is still a very damaging endless spell Yeah, uh up from 80 to 100 now. Yeah Absolutely correct points this thing's still a monster. Yep Uh, and then the realm scourge rupture. Oh Hello Hello spell that I didn't used to care about that. I am now very interested in So casting value of seven set up within nine inches predatory additional nine inches. So 18 inch range Okay Important note most of the starting areas of the board are 18 inches apart And you're actually much closer on the diagonal like 12 inches in some scenarios After this endless spell is moved roll a dice for each unit that has any models It has passed across and for each other unit within one inch of it at the end of its move On a two plus that unit suffers d3 mortal wounds and its move characteristic is halved Until the end of the battle round and it's a big old Sort of thing. It's a big long thing It's like palisade Yeah, yeah, it's like on the palisade base. Yeah, yeah This is so good. Yeah, I was going to bring up what you did the um, you had deployment if you're kind of deploying away from each other you can You can slam this thing across the table Obviously as always I see have move characteristic and I say it's good. That's what here I do again But um, it is helped by its humongous range and um Two up for d3 damages and also it's just like that. This is one of the great ones. How much does this cost? Yeah, 85 85, all right, cast value of seven. Yeah That's just about the same amount as Something like 20 endless spells we've read through that are way Exactly, man Yeah Yes, no, yeah, this is a this is a real winner Uh, yeah, it's good And and that again that cast value seven like you're you like seeing that as long as you got You know waiting a plus one or rural cast or arcane You know some way to make that a little easier on you but but hard on your opponent to get rid of Uh, and yes as people are mentioning I should have mentioned it That was another bonus I forgot to mention with the null holes you can now move and teleport through them You didn't used to be able to so you can now move and you can walk over to them and then teleport through them Oh, gotcha. Okay. There's a way you teleport. So it's even better now. Nice Which is cool you run and jump in basically. Yeah Like a portal gun from rick and war or something. Okay. Uh, all right Sons of behemoth Uh So long shanks all other models in the game can move over and the spells But so be can't move over and the spells taller than four inches Maybe obviously not needs a cleanup of the wording. It's just they praise the sentence wrong But whatever like there's texts in there that didn't need to be there They meant only the terrain that's four inches tall They didn't mean and the spells that are four inches tall, but they kind of yeah The phrasing there was a little weird. It doesn't matter. It's not an actual thing. It'll get cleaned up I'm not worried about it But the ruining of the fun is the gate breaker can no longer destroy terrain completely He simply gets plus one to the monster action to do so Big thumbs down But hey, whoa, are you ready for me to give you the big thumbs up? Yeah Man crushes in the breaker tribe, which they did not FAQ Absorbed the old ability of the gate breaker and retain it So on a four up your units of man crushes can still Destroy not only that can completely still destroy your terrain break removing all of its keywords as well They have still the old good version the gate breaker can't do it anymore But his little babies he taught how they pertain to the knowledge into the next generation Okay, all right. Yeah the so the kids are carrying the torch, right? They're standing on the shoulders of giants literally It's not silver lining to me because uh to me You know man crushers just don't even exist when i'm thinking about sob It's the four mega gargants, and then I turn the page and it's just blank, right? Like that's the end of the battle tone But I wonder if they're gonna go after them Uh, I don't think they will because nobody plays son's of behemoth And nobody who does would ever ask the question about it because they want to keep using it So I think I think after this ghp FAQ. I don't think this is getting changed It's my hot tag. Yeah, I think I I hope this one sneaks through because it's fun Like I'm so glad this one's just sneaking right on in there So Good stuff. Uh, yeah, son's pretty simple because not much else to it They seem really good now Especially like kicking immediately since you control the objective when you start It's soccer time Yeah, football I guess if you're an EU viewer, which you might be because it's midnight Uh, absolutely. All right, let's talk about sylvaneth um So sylvaneth Navigate the roam roots is now a scenery rule which I enjoy because that means it can be removed when you when monsters smash your tom woods Why? uh, why The spear paths are the big trees is now within six inches instead of wholly within You can do this in combat and it doesn't count as a retreat, which is a good thank you Appreciate it. The arch revenant crescent shield is now plus one to save instead of rerolling ones to save Love it way better And the kernoff tanglethorne thicket, which was their reroll saves is now plus one to save instead of reroll in line with everything else in the game Good for the game. Make sense We're about to get to the we're about to get to the war crime here in a minute. Yep. Oh Oh, that's right I was gonna mention it, but if it's if it's on the next slide, let's go there. It's coming. Don't worry The glade worm is like Whatever, he's fine. It's good same. Yeah, it's basically saying he's he didn't get played before he won't get played now. It's super cool model There it is Not played worm Exactly Uh, spite swarm hive remains, uh, actually quite amazingly good. In fact, it got better Yep, hit that up real quick. Yep. Plus one save bubble now. Holy you get the benefit Uh, you get two choices. So It was previously real ones to save Now it's plus one save And of course, the other one was the one that most of us would always use plus three to move plus three to charge You got a roll of two plus on both of those. You only get one And these go off. I think in each hero phase at the end of the hero phase Yep So you choose one of these at the end of every hero phase For sylvaneth units each sylvaneth unit. Holy within eight So absolutely amazing There are a number of ways to get plus one to save now in this army Particularly if we're going to get the omboys of the ever queen ability that we talked about four hours ago You know as the beacon for the heat the spirit song from the true lord ancient who now suddenly potentially very turned on Because of that plus one save beacon So yeah, spite swarm hive is one of the best in the spells I would say in the game right now in terms of efficiency cost-wise And it went down and went, uh, yeah I think it did went down joe Yeah went down 10 you got a baby said it now, but whatever Uh, you got a baby said with a wizard or a hero, but I mean, that's fine. That sure Right the Sylvaneth often had you know branch witches or branch rates or whatever they are or they're called just like You know hanging around in the back line. So it's not a big deal And the fact that you can just ping out to multiple units a plus three to move and charge in the new world where we're like I mentioned units can literally start 12 inches apart. I want to really reinforce this with everybody There are scenarios where you are 12 inches on the diagonal from your enemy Yep, that is yeah a lot That means you're in Yeah, and the worst line revenant is A legitimate spell dom fight me Well, it is good. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's it's crazy. Uh, yeah vengeful skull root is Real expensive, but well, that's actually I say that uh taking joe's point to heart There's a lot of crap for 85 points. So maybe it's not it's quite intriguing now I think with the idea that I can potentially double tap So what is that cast spelling cast five six range of six? I can't quite read that And uh, it looks like it moves eight But yeah, it's way to do d6 mortals if it's near woods and that's obviously very rare if we've gone over tonight With endless spells nowadays So yeah, there's not a lot of endless spells left that actually do d6 mortal wounds Yeah, because of as we're just about to read awaken wild woods are now insane again a month later They got changed again. It's the it's the marathi's rend of sylvaneth Yes, uh Like you can legitimately just poop trees all over the board Sure. Um, yeah reasons for reasons. Yes They did lose their freedom from the line of sight though, correct They briefly were able to see through their own woods and now it is immediately take it away rest in peace current off hundreds of bows I suppose but um I will actually take this version. It's fine So let's talk about the new wildwood. Yeah one you now must set up all three pieces because before you could just One to three woods. Okay, but now it's always three Yeah, the trick is either you set them up as a concentric ring Right in which case they form one large awaken wildwood in the area of inside the ground is considered to be part of the awaken wildwood Or you set them up more than three inches from each other And they form three small awaken wild woods that are all separate faction terrain features But the key being is that so does that mean they can just kind of poop around everywhere? And you just kind of drop them all over the place every time you summon trees It just you can set up three anywhere within range Right, so if like if you have a summon of woods within 18 inches It's like one over here and one over here and one over here It seems to be exactly what that means. Yeah. Yeah Um, if they have all three pieces if they're a wildwood Right form from all three then they count as a wildwood Which means they block line of sight even to sylvaneth no sylvaneth exception good stuff Yeah, it's it's got the usual ten wounds or more two or from anything with ten wounds or more two or two or from Yeah, it does not abide by that. But yeah, so now yeah with this like that works on revenant We were just talking about It hanging out in the woods if it's got more than three inches Of that wood between whatever its target is for like regrowth spell to heal dirt through or something No, sorry, you can't well. I guess actually in that case Dorothy you could see but I don't know like a current hunter You know something that's not ten wounds or more. You're not going to be able to see it and in that kind of situation. Yeah, really dumb Yes, and as mentioned navigate the realm roots is now on the scroll so it can be popped off the scroll if people kick them Yep, which also really dumb. Yeah, I mean not like we could talk for and a half hour about this I mean, yeah, why you know with your slides Please just go back to the Kragnos War Scroll because that actually got pretty close to Reasonably ideal. I mean it's not getting rid of them entirely which is never gonna happen We get it but like that War Scroll was perfectly fine. It was great. I played like two games It was it was good Like you Sylvaneth was turned on again. This is nonsense the idea I don't like no Sylvaneth players should want to be pooping out 30 woods in a game Or god knows how many that you're going to be doing. It's the dumbest I mean like I don't know I Yeah, I want to get a motion Please just fix this. I'm just going to trust that this was a major mistake And it'll get fixed Most for the most part will just please go back to the Kragnos War Scroll Put navigate realm roots back to a battle trait Allow us to be able to teleport even if the train is destroyed have fewer woods on the board Like it was that was great. We nailed it This is a disaster This is just this is the public test realm. All right Broken realms was beta 1171. Yeah, some FAQ. They randomly made 1181, right? We're just we're still in beta and we need to submit our um commentary, right like You keep trying to make the Sylvaneth Wildwoods since the beginning of time and they've never ever gotten it so that Everyone was okay with it. Yeah and keep going but You know we some people like that last one at least Yeah, pretty much. I mean pretty much. Yeah, it was the closest we've got everybody. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely It was a sufficient approximation of good. We we did it Like we'll take it. Yeah, Sylvaneth. Yeah, it's uh, it's a really fun memory to play right now But not with this not not like this Not like this. Yeah, the old cipher. Absolutely. Okay Uh, all right, and we end on a strong note here. Well, we're almost ending. There's one final note after this, but almost ending SBG the best change in the FAQ Endless legions can no longer be used on the same unit more than once completely reasonable switch because it was funny Because you could be like I had 20 zombies now 10 now 5 now 2 now 1 but that's But Battle shock So that's cool. Um, the castelli dynasty rpg power-up ability of like When you kill something and drain their blood is now only in melee. You can't like spell people to death and get it So that's fine The cursed abominations in avingori are unique enhancements. That's right Everybody else is like duplicating mount traits and the person who did this one Remembered that that was a problem joe the thing we've talked about and they just like jacked in this new rule called unique enhancements A term found nowhere else basically But like it's obvious what it means and so it's like, okay, you specifically they prevented them from having multiple But that's fine. This is how it should be like we should need this extra exception In other words, yeah Um, they clarified the vengorian lord's command ability is only received by one unit You don't heal every monster d6. So fine Um, the white king's command ability did not get fixed the correct way Because it was in the hero phase and it should have just lasted till the next hero phase in which case it would have been actually really good Right if they would have changed the correct words instead. They moved it to the combat phase. So now it sucks Yeah, no that They they screwed up copy pasting it last time But their intent was clear like they really wanted it to be awful And so it's finally fixed so that it is it is really bad. Yes Because you know Absolutely beautiful updated horseback white king love the sculpt And sculpts so good that it doesn't need a war scroll to carry it So you have to take a worse scroll away from it Uh, I just I love that that was such an easy fix that actually would have been really useful in the army And played such a good role if it was like hero phase to next to your faith re-roll ones to hit Perfect great. That would have been amazing. You know like on grave guard combined with them activating plus one of themselves Like what a super cool synergy like simple easy. Yes makes sense. Nope sucks Great Uh, and then replace the merged profiles for raticar's court with the following Individual profiles for the each of the units in the court. We did it We did it guys They did it. They typed the one sentence and put a period at the end and they pressed enter That's all they had to do from the very get-go and they've Passed up a lot of opportunities to do so. They finally did it One is now allowed in the s blight g lords and looking at my notes here Fun is spelled um, g o r s l a b Yes, correct. I think these only 75 points have the cheapest one Yep Yeah, mr. Shovel knight is ready to go to work and just start bringing back wolves and zombies just going nuts nuts Uh, yeah, he's so good now like the timing on when he resets states people is really solid combined with the endless legions It just means like you are just like up more zombies more dire wolves more zombies more dire wolves more zombies more dire wolves Here they come. Yeah He doesn't end a movement phase like you get to you can participate in the turn and you're not rolling like with your ca Yeah, it just works. It just works. Although. It's only zombies. It's only the better of the two options So you're limited a little bit there Uh, yeah, it's great stuff and and although also just a little stuff I'm just excited that people get to use these figs now like The New York coast bloodborne are kind of an interesting little unit. It's neat that you can like take them in threes I don't know if they're worth it. They're probably not but it's just cool It's a cool option that we actually have our little semi elite vampire Infantry now as a unit. I think that was one of the things we wanted and we were like wouldn't it be neat if we had some sort of pseudo elite vampire infantry It actually exists. They made the models, but we can't actually use them now. We can Yeah, how you can So this is just a huge win. It's how it should have been originally. I was so happy to see this So I had one question on spg in relation to spg uh zombies This I think that was in the fact Q there are no restrictions on the newly dead ability allowing, you know, the dead walker zombies to go over their starting size starting size Is this intentional answer? Yes Okay, that's starting size. It doesn't say maximum size Right and there's a change host there. Um, and there's a horror question about that mentions maximum size And so we have now two terms here. We have starting size and maximum size And maximum size is undefined in the game There is a maximum size that's referenced in some other FAQ. I think when you're talking about Building an army list, but as it pertains to once it's on the table There's no such definition. So the the idea of what constitutes a maximum size is sort of Up for grabs. No one's really sure what it means. Okay There's a few different options for what it could mean that all makes sense, but that's sort of like why you FAQ it I look forward to the FAQ for the FAQ that FAQ is that Excellent watertight All right, and then finally one last note Just here at the end to the Legion of Chaos Ascendants You can play this army again. So that's nice Because you actually couldn't until the end. Yeah, thank you And it's basically what it was before but now there's no more Skaven in loka. The Skaven demons are gone It has to be like Skaven isn't included in the list of demons you can draw from so yeah Sorry because because no one is friends with Skaven. Not even demons. Not even demons. Yeah Uh Yep, uh, so there we go gentlemen. We did it cool 12 18 a.m That uh, what is that four almost four and a half New new record. It's uh, it's a long it was a long one Gentlemen, thank you both for sticking with it throughout this. We got a lot of we but we covered all the armies Everybody's now up to date. Look forward to the next FAQ probably where we won't do four hours on the whole thing Collet's hope not But this this I mean this is important to do because this really completes the cycle of getting us all ready for the new edition, right? We had Core we had GHB and now we have this day one FAQ. They're all there I mean, yes, there are still some questions out there fine But like we can really play games with confidence now, right? Like there are some edge cases some corner stuff for the most part your You're playing your army. You know what you're doing outside those corner cases You're good. Hmm What you have Joe, I mean, I mean not me but like most armies. Yeah, sure Play in the way that's least favorable to you is always my answer if there's a question, right? If you rule like Yeah, that's that's basically what I'm doing like I there's no way they're not gonna I uh I look to the past to predict the future and um, we're not keeping this We're not keeping any part of this. I have some opium that I'm inhaling about Them not being unique, but they just put the kibosh on doubling up on one You know particular guy. It's gonna be unique. Yeah, I agree All right. Well for all of you out there watching especially if you stuck with us the whole time my goodness You are a hero. Thank you so much. Hit that like button if you haven't already hit like hit subscribe I really appreciate it. I should mention that more than twice probably in a four hour show, but here we are Uh, I'm bad at this. So at any rate, I hope you all enjoyed this so much. Thank you for watching Don't forget to hit like it's so easy and it helps other people find the show in all seriousness Also ring that bell if you've stayed for four hours, you're a bell ringer ring the bell. Absolutely Chances are high. We're we're we're doing stuff and the bell will let you know when stuff is happening Uh, so it might yes, it's a higher chance Uh, thank you all everybody so much. 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