 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump, with your hosts. Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, we talk about a previous episode where me, Adam, and Justin might have sounded like douchebags. Ouch. First time that's ever happened. We talk about how- Unbelievable. We all have photographic memories in our own ways, including forgetful Adam. Yeah, we figured out he's a servant. He's a servant. That's Adam Lingo. And we talk about gambling, find out about Adam's biggest payday at the casino in Big Ol' Reno. And then we get into the questions. The first question was, what we think about cannabis with workouts? That's right. Marigihuana and weights. Yeah. Does it help? It could get interesting. Does it hurt? I forgot. The next question is, what is our opinion on selective androgen receptor modulators? Adam loves it when I talk like that. Yeah. Then we- It's arms. 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And if you're just a regular person wanting to work out, feel better, move better, again, those programs are also for you. The prime bundle takes both programs, discounts them greatly, and it's also on sale on top of that. And there's only three days left for that. You can find that at mindpumpmedia.com. Our episode in the car dude was so douchey in the beginning, and then Adam's like, yeah, bang that cheek. And then you hear Justin in the background laughing like this. Ha, ha, ha, ha. I was like, I was like, I was like, oh shit. Did I really say bang? Well, you'd say, I mean, just- Yeah, because that sounds bad. Just the conversation. Surely. The conversation we had. Talking about fucking and having sex, and then bang that cheek sounds rude. Bro, the first 30 minutes of that whole episode is us talking about like douchey shit. Like, I didn't even like the way- What happened to us? I don't like the way we sounded. Like, I'm like, what the hell? Did we really sound like that? And then every time we'd say something horrible to hear Justin in the background, ha, ha, ha, ha. That's right. Yeah, like that. And then you talk about your strippers, and you're like, oh yeah. But then the fat one comes out, and we're all like, oh. And I'm like, oh no, this sounds really bad. But then it went good, and then it got good. Well, you know- Because then we- You know what it is. You're letting our hair out. You know? Out? Is that letting it out? That's another, there's another saying that he's made of. Put that monkey in the red. Put that monkey in the red. Just keep doing that shit. It just happens. You know what it is? It's because then you listen to the whole episode and then we're not douches. And you know what it is? Is that when people listen to, and I like this about us, when people listen to our podcast, it's very real. And it's very much, you know, we're vulnerable, we're sensitive, we're douchy. We're just fucking people. And we're just talking amongst ourselves as if there's no one else listening to us. And that's what you're listening to. You're listening to three dudes talk about shit, you know, like fitness and stuff like that. But we almost forget that other people are listening. Yeah. And it's kind of good. We definitely forgot. It's good. It might shoot us to the foot one day, Well, I don't know. I think the more that we stay true to ourselves, like, you know, it does, like, I agree with you. Like the one thing when you hear something like that and you listen and you go, ah, fuck, I sound like a douchebag saying that. But then here's the thing where it's different. Like, I feel like so many people on social media platforms are putting, trying to put this fake facade. And it's like, I'm not gonna lie to people and say like, I'm talking to you guys who I now consider like family to me and good friends. And there's a lot of stories and things that we've never shared with each other. And they, you know, so we've withheld them because we do recognize they're douchey, right? And I think that's what happened is like, oh, I haven't told you about this story. You get excited about it. And you forget that it's totally douchey. You know what? And the other part is too is that when people need to understand when men are around each other, when women are around, like, if you could be a fly on the wall and listen to women's conversations, they say some shit that's embarrassing too. Guys do the same thing. And we just get real comfortable when we start talking and it's just the way. But when you listen to the whole episode, then you can hear all of that too afterwards. It's just the first half hour. You know what I'm saying? Oh, I'm gonna have to listen now. Well, I think they're, to me, I feel like there's this always, well, not always, but when we, it reminded me of when we first story, when we first started podcasting and there was this pressure to the red light goes on, right? Like, okay, we're recording now. So we need to provide content. And that was, you know, when you think about we're out of our element there. Like, when we come in here, it's totally different now. Now we're so comfortable sitting here and having a conversation about fitness, health, and training or anything along those lines. Sometimes the other stuff too, but. You know, it's funny is that I have my best conversations with you guys when we have the mics on. Sometimes when we're in the room, we sometimes save our conversations from when we put the mics on. And then we put the mics on. Oh, one hundred percent. And then we just have this great conversation. We just have like total surface stuff outside of the microphone. Well, and I think that's a skill that we've trained ourselves to do. Like we've realized many times where we've missed good content that didn't get put out on air. That we said, okay, listen, let's try our best to. Not talk to each other. Yeah, well, because we're all. Let's give you a head nods. We're all go, we all go our different directions after we leave mine plump. You know, there's a lot that happens in our lives and we are all very different and have different circles and networks and things of interest that we're each diving into and reading and researching. So, you know, when one of us comes across something that wants to share it with the other two, we've learned to wait to share that to the podcast. So the audience gets the experience of the other two hearing that information. For the first time. How many times a day do we say something like, hey, remind me to talk about. Oh, I got this story. I got the story, but I don't want, because what happens is, and this has happened to us a couple of times, we'll record, we'll have this great story that we'll share with each other. And then we'll be like, oh, you should bring that up in the podcast. And then we'll tell it again on the podcast. And it's like, it doesn't feel, it feels fake because your guys' reactions are fucking fake. Like I love the first reaction, the first time you heard it. So try and save it, you know what I mean? For when we turn on the microphones, then I could tell you and get your real, you know what I mean? Your real reaction. So. Keep that present right. You know what I mean? You did remind me of a song though when you said it's red light. Rocks and you don't have to turn on the red light. Yeah, those days are over. My job. Yeah, thank you for. You're my muse. One of my roles at Mind Pump is to spark Justin's. And I like it when you do that way. I think you're lazy sometimes. Yeah, it's way better. I can't just call it. Yeah, I know. Sometimes you're lazy and you're just like, Justin, give me a song. You got like a new song? I always defend Justin. I was like, bro, that's not fair for you to do that too. We got over 500 episodes. You just can't call on the song. Yeah, cause then my go-to is gonna be something that I've done a gajillion times. What song is always in your head, Justin? Oh, it's either like... It's Reading Rainbow. Did you ever know that you are reading Rainbow? Yeah. Yeah. Those two. Why is Reading Rainbow so... I have no idea. That's how my brain works, dude. It's like... That was a good assist though. That was a good assist. What's the name of the dude that was Reading Rainbow? The head guy. What is his name? He ended up on Star Trek with the skinny glasses. Yeah, but he came back and they did it. I think they actually did a Kickstarter and then like got a couple more episodes. Of Reading Rainbow? Yeah. Yeah, it's like back. Yeah. No way. Totally. Yeah. I love that show. I love that show, yeah. Did you guys watch it a lot when you were kids? Yeah. Oh, man. If you think about it, it's kind of lazy TV too. You know what I mean? Like, we're gonna come up with a TV show. We're gonna read books. We don't ever need to come up with content. We just read the books. It's brilliant. I love ideas like that. It is. What if we did that? Well, we're doing something. What if we did another... We are doing something similar to that. Let's do another podcast. Where we read books. Just read. Of the podcast. Or do like a twist or we're stealing a page from that book. I would do that. Yeah. Justin, did you watch Game of Thrones yet? God damn it. I did. Yes. God damn it. Let's not talk about that. Yes. Dude, why are you not watching the show? Because who cares? Dragons. I just want to punch you in your dick. Because who it cares? Oh, oh. Who? Only like... I don't like cinematic adventures. Only like 7.5 million people care. That's all. Story that ties in, you see all these characters, they pull from real life type characters, man. It's crazy. Shut up. It's fucking stupid. You know what it is? Look at me like I'm crazy. I got... I was quiet there. I want it to be uncomfortable for you guys. It's uncomfortable for me. Here you guys talk about some stupid shit. It's not. You know what it is? I think if I'm to be objective about myself, perhaps I identify too strongly with not doing what other people do. Maybe that's why I don't want you. You're one of those guys. That's dumb. Or... It's dumb. Or... Don't get to experience awesome shit that way. Well, well... It's popular for a reason. It's fucking awesome. Like I said, that could be... That's viable, right? It's very viable. I'm trying to be very objective here. Or... Or... Or you're just being stubborn. Or I'm doing stuff that's actually benefiting me as a human being. It's one of those two things. That's how you justify it. It's one of those two things. So I'm not sure. I'm just gonna entertain and enjoy it. Wow, look at that. What? How many people are watching this? Did I really nail that right on the head at 7.5 million? That was off the cuff, guys, just so you know. So you know how you talk... Off the cuff, right there. You didn't pre-google at all. Adam, do you know how you talk about my memory? How I have a picture, what is it called? Photographic memory. Photographic memory. And how Justin has that with like jingles and stuff. Yeah. You actually do a little... You do two. You just don't realize it. Yeah, I don't know. He's like rain man. No, no, no. You'll say a number. And then you'll pretend... You'll forget that he knew it. You'll be like, wow, I nailed that a total guess. No, you didn't. Definitely came out. You read that at some point. I probably did. You're probably right. So funny you say that, right? So when I was a kid, my mom, I had this memory of my mom. So we were in a Modesto house, which has to, this puts me before third grade. So I don't know exactly how, I know for sure before third grade. When my mom would have guests come over the house, she used to use me like a party trick and she would call me out of my room and I'd normally be in there playing with my sister or hanging out with friends. And she would love to have me rattle off all the stats of players in the Major League Baseball. So because I used to memorize all the stats of all the baseball players and like what team they played for, their batting average, how many years. And she used to like quiz me, like give me the first baseman of the Mets. And I'd tell you who it was, how many years you're playing, his batting average, how many home runs. Like I'd be able to do that. That's so funny. Like when my parents had people over, they did the same thing where like, I was in the other room still finishing dinner. Cause I was the one that would always take forever to eat. And so I was left at the dinner table on myself. I would have never guessed that. I would think that you like crush food. I mean, I did, but I kept eating. I wasn't done yet. Oh, so you would, yeah everybody was done and I'm like, where's everybody going? So it was like, I'm still eating. It was like tortoise in the hair, like you're going to go slow, but you're going to fucking finish them. I'm honestly going to self, like I'm going to call myself the tortoise. Like I know nobody has before, but that's totally applicable. Like that's my, that's my MO. So they'd call you out. So I was like sitting in there by myself and this is when Fresh Prince of Bel-Air was real popular. You know, and so I loved that show. And like I knew the jingle and everything like crazy. You know, West Philadelphia born and raised in the playground anyway. I'd go on and on. But so they just started it. And then like I heard my dad or someone was like, watch this and he like muted it. And I was singing it and I did it like verbatim. Like we're like all the way to where the timing of it stopped and they, they turned it back on and I was right in sync and everything. And he's just like, he just does this. It's just weird. And I did. Like for everything. That he has. Exactly. Didn't pay off or maybe it is. Maybe it is. It's funny though when you, you remember things like that, right? And I, I mean, I think. How effective is fucking advertising? Oh my God. They, they ninjaed my entire brain. Well, I also think about like learning how I, this is also why I think future of education is going to change. Because I think learning how to hack that because we're all unique and different, right? And we've talked about Sal, reading the encyclopedia as a young kid. Like, I, you know, in this business, in the one that I did, what made me successful as a fitness leader and when I worked for 24 was I was very analytical. I took the numbers down and I broke it all down. And I simplified that for personal trainers because I think a lot of them over complicate the business. And I, I did it. I thought I did a pretty good job of helping others simplify how I did. And even in this business, I am part of most of my time at night is spent going through our numbers. I'm always looking at numbers and graphing them and like I enjoy that. And I've enjoyed it since I was a kid. I enjoyed, but I did it for baseball cards when I was a kid. And I lost that connection to that. Now through school and stuff like that, I excelled in mathematics, but I didn't push it though. And that's funny because my last year of high school, I was already, I was done with my math. I didn't need to take any more math. I should have taken more math because I love math, I did well in it, but because I didn't need to, I chose to get out of school, you know, half, you know, half day in my senior year because I was ahead of all my units when I wished I would have connected those dots, you know, that that was something I would- Did you see math as, because like for me, one of the reasons why I loved reading encyclopedias is it was like, I was, I was looking at like the secrets of the world, like, oh my God, I can read about how everything works and I can know all the shit. Did you see math that way? Like- I saw math, the way I looked at math and why I was drawn to math was, to me, nothing's more true. And I love, and I felt have fallen in love with science as I've gotten older and I've been, and I've learned to appreciate science, but I didn't like science at all as a kid because there was, there's so many uncertainties. It was, it reminded me of religion. And I, and I didn't like that about religion either as I felt like math was so true. Two plus two will always be four. And as math became more complicated, there still was always an answer. And I liked that. I liked that I had a goal, which was find the right answer. And there is a right answer. And there is a right. And I, and I, and maybe I didn't get- Except in the quantum world. Thank you, Justin. Thank you, Justin. Boo! Science. Yeah. And well, that's where science meets math, right? So I think that's what made me as a kid enjoy that. And I could, you know, and that's how we used to debate as a young kids. I remember with my friends, my cousins, like when you would debate me about a baseball player, you know, how I debate you, how good he is, I could rattle his stats off in his numbers. You can't tell me that guy's better than this guy because that guy averages five more home runs that guy gets on base two more times, gets this many more outs. Like you could argue all you want because you like him. I don't, you know- You're done your homework. You like his hair and you like his color of his jersey. But I'm going to tell you right now that he's not a better player for these reasons because there's math to prove it, you know? All those, those, those, what do you call them, bookies? Like, yeah, man, they're so good at that. Like aggregating all that data and putting it all together and then how that all interacts, like based off the environment, based off, you know, like their wife left them or, you know, they know all those characters. If you want to predict- It's crazy. If you want to predict elections and stuff like that, like the most accurate places to look are bookies. Because people will bet money on who's going to win, you know- Well, because they're following the math, right? I mean, that's all, I mean, peering deeper into me, you can figure out why I fell in love with cards, I fell in love with that early on, learning how to, like trying to teach myself how to count. Do you still have baseball cards? I do put away somewhere like in class cases and shit. Dude, my cousin went through his and found his, how, what was it? Was it his Troy Aikman rookie card or something? I don't know, one of his cards is worth like $5,000. No way. Yeah. Man, I don't have to go through mine. I have a few that are worth on the hundreds. I thought they were worthless because nobody like cares about buying them now, you know? I used to buy score all the time. Score cards. I used to buy the upper deck ones. At the time, we're like the most valuable side. Upper deck was expensive. Then there was what, Don Russ? It was, which was kind of, was that in the middle? And then Tops? No. Tops was cheap. Tops was the cheap one. So yeah, all that, you know, why I love the game of craps, like that's by far, that's my adult game for sure that I find it's very mathematical. Shouldn't you be playing? And it's fast. I can't, yeah. Fast and- I still haven't figured that one out yet. Shouldn't you play, what's that one game that they say where the odds are in your favor if you're really good at- It's craps. It's craps. Craps, no. No, no. You're okay. You're talking about the guy who likes gambling when we're going to debate this right now? I thought it was Kino or something like that. Craps has, when you talk about the dollar to percentage in odds of winning out of all the games that are inside there. That's why I'm horrible at gambling. It's best in the player. It has the best odds for the player if you know how to fucking do the math and play the game. Like, if you go out there and you just put, it's very much so in the favor of the casino. If you don't know how to play. That's what's so beautiful about the game is that it's same thing goes for a game of Texas Hold'em. Like you can, there's still luck. Like luck always plays a role in gambling but if you can increase your odds by being mathematical about it, you can definitely kill out a majority of the competition. What's the most you've ever won playing craps? In a single outing? Yeah, that you can tell on the podcast. I don't know what that hit. Yeah, because some of it's taxable. Yeah, a million dollars. One year. No, I've never won that. I think the best, and it was actually Reno, not Vegas. Vegas has gotten me more, 14,000. Fuck, that's good, yeah. I've had a couple of weekends in 10. I went to Vegas with a buddy of mine years ago and he invited his buddy who had an internet gambling website. I don't know what the website was but it was the second at the time. So this has got to be... He ran the website? Hold on, it was his. This has to be at least eight to 10 years ago. And his website was the second largest gambling website on the internet. So this guy was... Holy shit, he's loaded. Way rich. I'd never seen somebody throw money like this around. Don't tell me he's the one that got in trouble for playing as an admin. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know this guy. So anyway, I meet him. I read about somebody that did that. He's the biggest, most awkward nerd you've ever met. Just this massive, nice guy, but you could tell he really wanted to use his money to make friends. He meets me for the first time. He's like, what's going on? And I'm like, oh, you know, I'm over here. Why are you here? It's my birthday. And he's like, oh, here, go play. It gives me like $500 with the $100 chips or whatever. Then we're gambling. And he's telling me to enjoy myself to gamble. I'm like, I'm keeping this shit. I don't like gambling. $500 is mine. I watched him, no joke, in less than 10 minutes lose $25,000 on the roulette table. People do that all the time. He put stacks of money all over the fucking table. That literally makes my balls go. Like three times. Inside my body. Like three times. And I'm watching him lose this money. I can't figure out how much it is. And I'm like, how much money did you just lose? It happened right in front of me. 25 Gs, dude. Well, what happens when you're somebody who likes to gamble. So I've gambled for a long time. You feel invincible. Well, no, what happens is as your income increases, the amount you have to resist to enjoy the game increases. So when I remember, I remember this vividly, like I used to love to play Texas Hold'em because I could spend $100 and I could play for 10 hours. Cause I can manage the game. I can manage my chips and I could play a whole night of gambling. I got to feel like I gambled. And I only risked. That's PyGal for me. And I only risked $100. Well, a lot of that, a lot of why, a big part of why I enjoyed that was because that wasn't, that that time in my life, that was, I wasn't risking a lot. And, but it was enough to make me enjoy the thrill of potentially losing and winning. And that's what we're all chasing is that adrenaline rush from it, right? And so, you know, as $100 became not such a big deal to lose to me, that increased. And then it became $500, then it became $1,000. And then I needed to be, I needed to have the risk of losing $3,000 to $5,000 at a time before it was enjoyable. So I watched that progression with myself. So that, you know, when you see someone like that, it's really, it's no different than you gambling. They're more numb to it. They're no different to you gambling $200. And losing that, because your $200 is what it's like for him walking around with $25,000. It depends on the person too, because I'm... Now, if you're an idiot who's gambling $25,000 and you don't have $25,000 in the bank, that's a totally different story. Now you're talking about an alcoholic or a drug abuser, right? Right, you know what I'm saying? But it does depend on the person because I'm, I get furious if I lose five bucks. Furious, still, to this day. That's why I hate gambling. I'm not a, I can't stand it. Oh yeah, no. That's why it's not for you. Yeah, exactly. That's why I know it's already gone. When we went to... I go in there knowing it's already gone. I just watched you gamble, you know what I'm saying? And I got the free drinks, thanks. Yeah. Because as soon as I lose five bucks, I'm like, dude, I could have bought a fucking coffee and chips or something like that. That's your reaction about it. Or I could have got half a movie ticket. Good, that's fine. You know what I'm saying? Well, I really believe that casinos... Oh, I enjoy it. Casinos and places like that, they make their big money off of lots of people like yourself who aren't really gamblers, don't want to gamble that are just trying to... Well, it's like credit card companies. They're just constantly like, yeah. My very, very first time gambling, I turned 21. I go to Vegas because I turned 21, my parents are there while I'm in a good time. And everybody's like, aren't you gonna gamble? I'm like, eh, I'm like, all right. You know, you have to, right? Because you're 21, it's like a big thing. I put a quarter in the slot machine, I won 600 bucks and I never gambled the rest of the trip. That's pretty good. Yeah, I got my 600 bucks, it's like profit. Yeah. That's pretty good discipline to be able to do that. Not a lot of people have that ability. Yeah, it's the ability to walk away when you... I was good at that. I was good at, you know, get to a point where I had numbers I have in my head, like I'm going here, I'm willing to play with this money. If it's gone in 10 minutes, I'm done. If it lasts me all night, then it's good. If I get to a certain point, I walk away from the table and so... Have you ever seen like big time high rollers play a gamble? Oh, God, of course. Yeah, no, I've seen, like your big, big ballers, they don't even have to carry their own money. Like so when you go to big casinos where you have major gamblers, these guys will come out and they'll just call a marker. And when they call a marker from a guy, we'll come walk over with a million dollars worth of chips and set it down on there. If they have that much good collateral with the casino, they don't have to carry money. So I never got to that point where I've got my host and things like that. I just don't like... How is it Dan Bilzerian, like, how does that guy like kill it so much in poker? There's a lot of skill in poker, dude. 100%. There's a lot of skill in poker. Absolutely. I know, I know that. It's crazy that you could make, like, that's your wealth is the game from poker. Well, you know what, like... You had money before that. I kid you not, I liked it enough. So I have a cousin. I don't know, he says he didn't, but that's him. I have a cousin that I taught the game to who has continued to pursue it as a living. Yeah. And he doesn't do well at all, in fact. But, and I contemplated that at one point, like, dude, I want to get even better at this because I'm not that good. Like, I can play, you know, and I understand the game, I understand the math. But, you know, where you make big money is when you learn, when you learn it very, very well and you have it down mathematically really well, you just pick off people all day long that don't. Yeah. You know, when you said it, when I said it, well, they're just professionals too. We talk about reading people and stuff like psychics and all that. I swear, they're like on another level. Bro, it's also a game of attrition. When these guys will sit down for these tournaments. I know, it's endurance. They're there for 100%. How worse. Oh, yeah. Whoever gets mentally fatigued. We used to go, we used to wait. Okay, we would, there's times. So we would, we would wait till, I don't want to gamble all day cause I'd love to play cards, but I would wait until like midnight to go down to the table. All the tired people. That's why I never liked it. It takes too long. Yeah, although all the tired and all the drunk people coming in from the clubs, they sit down, they make sloppy decisions. I'm playing consistent by the numbers. You wait till the odds are high on your side, then you push hard. And all you need is one, one idiot to make a bad decision an hour. And I rake. Ball in. Yeah, I rake over $300, $500. And all the odds are on my side. I mean, he could have won. Luck is always involved in the game, but the likelihood when the odds are that high on me, I just took advantage of some drunk idiot who's trying to show off for his girlfriend and he just came out of the club. So guys make livings off of this. Many, many guys, because I gamble enough that, you know, I've got to know a lot of dudes that do this for a living. All the rounders, right? Yeah, yeah, sit and talk to them. Yeah, you see, when you're a regular guy goes there, you start to see the regular people. So you know who the sharks are when you get there. But if you're somebody who doesn't go all the time, you don't know who the shark is at the table. Hi, it's my first time. That's me. Oh yeah. And I remember, I remember being- To Valorant. Are these good? Are these cards good? Which should I do? I remember getting so regular that you get to see and then so there'd be like three of us at a table that you're like, we're all regulars, right? And then all of a sudden four fish come on and you just, and then you take piranhas. You all take turns. Fold, fold, I'm, if one of us four sharks are sitting at this table of seven, and I see three of them fold out. You know by the look in your eye. Yeah, or if I call or if I push some chips in right now and I have the three sharks behind me, they're gonna fold out. They're not gonna compete against me. They're gonna let me play against you and vice versa. Or if one of them comes over, raises me, then I know that and knowing how smart they are and they know better to even be doing that if I'm right, then I feel, you know what I'm saying? So you learn, like when you start to learn like who are other players, you guys start to play together and you start to fuck up people that come up to you. That's crazy. Years ago, I went, I visited on vacation. I went to Monaco and went to the, like the Monte Carlo Casino, which is kind of a tourist attraction, famous. But you have to pay to go in there, right? The tables there were like five and 10,000 euro minimum bets. That was the minimum bet on a lot of these tables. And I was expecting this huge casino. It wasn't even that big. It was just the amount of money people were betting. Well, it's a really rich area. Oh my God. Bro, they do the race there, the Formula One. Oh dude, the taxi cars are $15,000, $60,000 Mercedes and Lamborghinis are driving by and Ferrari's like nothing. Like I saw, I've never seen a McLaren, a legit $1 million McLaren out on the street ever, except for there and I saw two of them. Like when's the last time you saw a million dollar car drive value? It's a very strange place, but the casino, I remember sitting there. I saw a Bugatti, that was pretty cool. That's a great car. It's a great looking car. Bring on the bird, the sexy bird with lots of money. It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural neutral picks for a cleaner, calmer and more focused buzz without the crash. Put the Chimera link at mindpumpmedia.com and input the discount code, mindpump a check out for 10% off. It's the motherfucking quaw. The eagle has landed. Quikwa. Our first question is from KGenoTown. Thoughts on having some cannabis in your system on some training days. He has had some great mind body connections using cannabis during some of his work hours. On the same day? I'm really feeling this workout. I feel like that's in your wheelhouse, Adam. Adam's pre-workout. I'm definitely not a fan of as much of a fan as I am of cannabis. I'm not one to do it to work out. For me, personally, I know people that do and they absolutely love it. Say it works for them and if it works for you, but I hear a lot of jiu-jitsu guys. I like to do that. That's true. So okay, and I get that, right? Cause I could see them wanting to kind of be loose and relaxed a little bit while they're training. If I ever were to do this, it was when I was training for a show and I'd have to do these hour bouts of cardio. I just year around, I don't do hour bouts of cardio. It's just not in my regimen unless I'm trying to get ready for a show and I need to put that time in. So when I would do that, sometimes I would smoke because I would want to be just, mind, I would want me to be dazed and go thinking about a bunch of things, you know, how you get when you smoke, get all creative and I'm doing such easy cardio that it's not intense. I don't have to push really hard. So I would love my mind to trail and do that. Now when I'm training, lifting weights, I want to be so in tune with my body and I don't want to be trailing off. I want to be hyper focused. So now we could talk all day long about certain strains and how some people when they take a higher sativa that they notice that they become hyper focused and when they do indica, it's the opposite. So, you know, you have to kind of, yeah, everyone, I believe that, I believe that cannabis affects everybody differently and then I also believe that the strain, the percentage, and this is the stuff that I believe we're gonna find out and learn more about in the next five years because now we're finally getting to do some studies on this shit. You know, the difference when you smoke something that has 17% THC to the ratio of 3% CBD versus one that's one to one versus one's three times to one, I think that all matters. It does, but I'll tell you what, so there's a lot of interesting anecdote now that is coming out with cannabis and athletes. Many athletes find cannabis to be a performance enhancing drug. For endurance athletes. Mostly endurance athletes. However, I have had so many people who lift weights and like to use cannabis to lift weights that I'm starting to kind of listen to what they're saying and I'm paying attention and here's where cannabis may be okay, or I'm not gonna say okay, but may benefit someone as a performance enhancing substance with weights. Now, first off, the science is relatively conclusive in terms of performance enhancement with cannabis for explosive movements and the science shows it's not. The science shows that under the influence, yeah, under the influence of cannabis you're going to be, you're gonna have less peak power output, less proprioceptive ability and explosive power. However, there is a mind-body connection that happens with cannabis where people will go in to try and get a pump or to isolate a muscle, squeeze, feel the stretch, feel the squeeze, and they'll do this and they'll love the effects that cannabis will give them when they're lifting weights for that particular purpose and I can kind of understand this. I personally, I use cannabis mostly medicinally and I use it in the evening. However, I have used cannabis before yoga, before hiking, before stretching. Oh, it's great for mobility. And I noticed it really does a great, like it really puts me in the zone for those types of things. I would hate to lift really heavy with cannabis but I could see myself going to the gym and saying, okay, today's a focus session or today I'm just gonna go light and just squeeze the muscle and try and get a pump. Then I could see it maybe helping out a little bit. Now, from a physiological standpoint, can cannabis promote or reduce your, you know, the way you adapt to exercise? That's a very, very good question. Now, what they're finding with high intensity exercise, especially when you start to train to exhaustion and this is more common with endurance type activities, is your body actually releases its own endocannabinoids. So you got to understand with cannabis, which is of course the- Well, if you smoke it, it's inflammatory too. So you gotta consider that also. So here's the thing, so cannabis contains what are called phyto cannabinoids. Phyto meaning plant, cannabinoids is a type of chemical molecules that are found in cannabis. Your body has its own endocannabinoids, which are cannabinoids your body makes because we have receptors for these cannabinoids. When you're under, when you train to exhaustion or you're training really hard, your body releases its own endocannabinoids because they're pain relieving and they help you push a little harder. This is what some scientists now are attributing the runner's high to. They're actually saying, oh, maybe you actually are getting high and it's these endocannabinoids. So I can see how maybe taking phyto cannabinoids may give you that effect and may help your performance as far as helping muscle growth. Here's something else that's interesting with cannabinoids. In animal studies, because there's a high density amount of cannabinoid receptors in the reproductive organs of humans, so the fear was if I have a lot of cannabinoids in my system from outside my body, like from cannabis, will I affect my body's own hormone production or receptor cell hormones? Am I gonna lower testosterone? Am I gonna change my hormones? Animal studies say yes. Animal studies say that cannabis or cannabinoids will lower testosterone. Human studies so far say no. When they test people who use cannabis on a regular basis, they find it does not lower testosterone. My personal opinion is the verdict is still out. I don't think there is. I can't make a definitive yes or no. What I will say is- Well, I can speak from experience on something that I find very fascinating because, and I've shared this before on the show because of my testosterone use, I'm very prone to gyno. Oh, gynecomastia? Yes, and if I am on a dose of testosterone in the 250 milligram range or more per week and I'm in taking a moderate to high intake of cannabis, I will actually flare up. And it took me a long time to put together that it was from the actual cannabis. And I've multiple times I've played with this to make sure that's what it was and is sure as shit. If I was smoking a lot of cannabis at this time, I would be super sensitive to it and I would flare up. And I'll take it completely out and then my gyno would completely subside. So- And by the way, there's actual, if you go to a doctor and you're a male and you have a gyno, which is the, basically it's female breast tissue. So you're a man, but you're starting to produce female- You get them boobies. Yeah, and you start to feel it, right? Or sometimes it gets really bad and they have to have to surgically remove. If you go- Some people don't realize that I have it because I keep it at bay because I can feel it coming on before it happens. It's very wild. So and men will get it who aren't on testosterone. So like boys who go through puberty sometimes will get it. I did when I was a kid, when I went through puberty and this is because of the spike of testosterone. Some of it gets converted to estrogen. But if you go to a doctor and you have gyno, one of the things I'll ask is if you use cannabis because cannabis has been connected to increased instances of gyno, especially high doses. So it might not have favorable effects on your hormone levels. Again, the verdict isn't out yet because the science so far says no, it doesn't seem to negatively affect testosterone. However, anecdote and other studies are pointing that it may in fact do that. So I don't necessarily think cannabis is a great thing to use all the time when you're working out because I think it may negatively affect your body's ability to adapt to exercise. Plus we gotta remember something here. Canabinoids have an anti-inflammatory effect in the body. They do influence the way the body responds to stress. And anytime you mess with that, you are messing with the adaptation signal from exercise. And you may in fact be reducing things like muscle protein synthesis. I don't know of any studies that show cannabis used with exercise and protein synthesis, which is the kind of a signal of muscle growth. But I would love to see one because I'd love to see what's happening there. Oh, I can't wait till they have more studies around this. So I said, and I think in the next five years we're gonna have so much more information about something like this. But I mean, it's important to know. Like it's not benign, right? Oh yeah. And being somebody who has been smoking cannabis for a pretty consistent basis for several years now and I've been training for 15 plus, I can tell you from personal experience I don't see a lot of benefit from it. I don't see a lot of drawback either. Unless for instance, like I tell you right now, if you are prone to things like that hormonally like I am, that it does throw my hormones off a little bit. And now that requires that I am smoking like a full joint in a night. Like that's a lot. That's a ton for me. Like that's for me to be doing something like that. That's a lot of cannabis to be in taking where I typically intermittently will have it and I have it at night and it's like a couple hits of it and I'm good. Like that's enough to settle me down for the entire night. But there's also a lot of factors you want to consider. Like if you use cannabis, if you have issues sleeping cannabis, by the way, if you have issues sleeping there's root causes you should solve. But in the meantime, a nice potential solution for that symptom to help you sleep maybe cannabis, will that help you build muscle? Yes. In that case cannabis may actually help you. Right, right. That's an excellent point. Do you have issues with autoimmune disorders like irritable bowel syndrome like I do? Like I have. I would not be using it to be directly trying to build muscle. That's what I'm trying to say. Right, right. 100% but you're right. I mean, I agree. Indirectly I guarantee you cannabis helps me build muscle but it's not because the cannabis is helping me build muscle it's because cannabis helps me with my symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome which if I get real bad with that I ain't building no muscle. I'm not absorbing nutrients and food. So in that case it becomes a positive for me. So it's a potent psychoactive substance. It's not benign. It can be positive for you or it can be negative for you depending on your individual situation. In terms of when you're actually performing I think if you're doing things to exhaustion or to endurance so far the anecdote seems to show a lot of athletes are saying hey man if I use and especially in edible before my race or before my training like I have more endurance and I can go longer. So that's kind of interesting. I think that's something we should do. I think that's interesting although I would not recommend this to anybody to pick it. I would not pick up a habit of doing this to get performance out of it. I wouldn't be like hey you know what I heard that this could be possible. I don't even use cannabis. I'm gonna start using it to do. No, I don't. Here's what's interesting. There've been several. You get lost on the trail. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Whoa. It's the first time I've ever taken an animal. I went on a six mile hike yesterday. I meant to do 30 minutes. It jumps off a cliff. I'm about to bob. So here's something that's fascinating. You can actually look this up on Google if you don't believe me. Oh, it's on Google. No, no, no. There's actual articles written on this right now. There's been a few studies that have demonstrated that people who utilize cannabis on a regular basis lower fasting insulin levels. Their blood sugar levels are better controlled and they're leaner and they think they're leaner because of what I just said about the blood sugar and insulin. In fact, pharmaceutical companies are investing money right now millions of dollars on potential treatments for pre-diabetes and diabetes with cannabinoids. So there may be a fat kind of burning effect from cannabis. Once this is all legal, all you're gonna see is supplements everywhere. Already are. You already are. They're already doing it with CBD. I'm trying to remember if I know a lot of fat stoneers. Do you know a lot of fat stoneers? I know a few. Do you? Yeah. Just curious. Very cheeto-y, like on the couch playing video games. They were already doing that. Well, I think that's the risk. I think that's the risk you take. You can't blame the cannabis, really. I think that's the risk. I had this conversation with my younger brother when he first experimented with cannabis. I remember I was like 30 years old or so and he's like at 20 and he's like, we're talking about this stuff or he was 18 around that time. And I remember telling him like, listen, I know your brother did this whole medical marijuana thing and I did all this stuff but I just want you to know that real easy this could turn into something that completely distracts you. I know you enjoy the benefits of it and he's expressing all that to me. Like, oh, you know, brother, I feel like it settles my anxiety down and this thing's like closing me on why it's so great, right? And I'm like, yeah, no, I get it, bro. I get all that. But it gets so nice that you end up doing it all the time that you don't know fucking shit all day long. So pay attention to that. Stop caring as much about things. Yeah, get your priorities right. Don't look for an excuse to do that because you like it so much. Appreciate it, but also respect it. You know what I call somebody who smokes pot and becomes a loser? What's that? A loser. I'm already a loser. You're just a loser. That's all. Quick commercial break. Hey, people ask us all the time how they can support Mind Pump. Here's what you can do. You can go to www.brain.fm forward slash Mind Pump and get 20% off Brain FM for meditation or focus. You can also go to audibletrial.com forward slash Mind Pump and get a 30 day trial plus one free audio book. Lastly, you can go to getnatureblend.com forward slash Mind Pump and you will get a discount on Ben Greenfield's CBD product. Next up is TDC Fitness Eddie. What is your opinion on Psalms? I have been getting more questions about Psalms. It's been a long time. Do you know why? Since Ben, since Ben Green. So I did a quick Google search of Psalms. And you know why we're getting so many questions on this? First of all, Psalms are selective androgen receptor modulators. So that's a, if you don't know what that means, that sounds very complicated. These are chemicals that are designed to modulate the androgen receptor in the body or to attach to the androgen receptor to get it to express what it does. The androgen receptors are the ones that testosterone activates or attaches to. Now, the reason why I think we're getting a lot of questions on this is I Googled Psalms and the first 10 searches that come up are these fucking websites that are pretending to write scientific articles on Psalms. And at the end, they're basically sales funnels. And at the end of them- Brilliant, imagine if you wanna Google it now. At the end of them, they're links to how you can buy Psalms online. And these articles are so inaccurate and so terrible, like I'm reading them and all they talk about is how safe they are, how awesome they are, how great they are for your health, how these are, like if you're like, oh, look, you wanna take- I have been hearing a lot of that lately about how safe they are. I'm like, wait a minute. Bullshit, yeah. Bullshit, it's like- This can't be the same substance. Hey, do you wanna take steroids without the side effects? You know, Psalms are what we're looking for. So Psalms are these chemicals that are being developed and researched, gotta be clear here. They're being developed and researched. None of them have been approved by anybody. They have not, they're not even in phase three trials in the FDA. Is it in the gray market or is it in the black market? So the reason why it's a gray market is because they're black market in the sense that I can't buy a psalm for human consumption, but there's this weird loophole in the law where I can buy Psalms for research purposes. So there's no regulations or very little regulations to buy certain chemicals for research purposes. For example, I could buy Viagra, the chemical Viagra, that makes Viagra for research purposes, and you'll find places like that online. And they won't sell them in tablet form. They'll sell them in liquid form as if you're buying and then they'll give you dosing instructions on how to take it. So Psalms are this, and you see all these articles and blogs written on Psalms about how safe they are. They're like steroids without the side effects and studies show they build muscle and blah, blah, blah. Psalms, first and foremost, they're being researched so they're totally, totally new so we don't know what they do long-term. So if anybody says they're safe as a fucking liar. Number two, the doses used in the research are not the doses that people are taking to try and build muscle. If you took the dose of Psalms, for example, Osterine is one of them, if you took the dose of Osterine they're using in research, you'd be using one milligram a day. The doses that people are using to try and build muscle is 50 to 150 milligrams a day. In the studies, they're showing that super low doses have less negative effects on the hormone systems of people or animals than taking testosterone. What I mean by that is if you take testosterone injections or steroids, one of the side effects of them is your body stops producing its own testosterone which is a bad side effect, right? You go off and hopefully it comes back. Well, in these studies giving these people or animals these super low doses of Psalms they're noticing an effect but it's much smaller. So now people are like, oh shit, you can take these and not shut down your testosterone. Wrong. If you take 50 to 100 milligrams of Psalms every day you're gonna shut down your testosterone like you're taking steroids. These things attach to the androgen receptors and what they're attempting to do is they're attempting to exert anabolic muscle building effects without androgenic male, masculinizing effects. So they're trying to give you the muscle building effects without the masculinizing effects and that's supposed to be this panacea. First off, the androgenic effects of testosterone and steroids are part of the reason why they build muscle so well. People don't realize this but if you go pure anabolic you won't build nearly as much strength in muscle as if you go androgenic. This is why some of the most popular steroids are the ones that are the most androgenic like a trimbolone or masteron or anadrol. Like those are anabolic but they're also very androgenic and you know those people who take steroids know the ones that build the muscle muscle also give you the most side effects. That's part of the reason why. So they're not gonna build muscle like testosterone or like steroids at all. You're gonna get very little muscle building effect and you're gonna be risking almost the same that you would be taking testosterone. Well, we don't know. We don't know what you're risking. At least testosterone, if you take a testosterone which I'm not advocating for but at least when you take testosterone you know exactly what it's gonna do. There's a lot more research there. Not only research but you know what it's gonna do. It's in your body already. With a psalm you're taking a chemical that we don't know everything that it does. In fact, I did a lot of research on psalms a couple of years ago because someone brought them to my attention and back then it wasn't that well known so I was like really into like what is this new drug that they're developing or they're working on? And you read the forums and people will talk about these side effects that you should expect but it's not a big deal. One of the side effects is a yellow tint to your vision. Holy shit. So you see like a bat now. And a loss. And a blue blocker's coming. And a dramatic decrease or loss of night vision. So guys will go outside at night and be like, oh it takes me 15 minutes to adjust to the night. Or I can't drive at night right now on it so I have to stop checking it. I have to blink 50,000 times and then it finally opens. Are you fucking kidding me, dude? What if you go blind? Is it worth it for like three pounds of muscle? And yeah, that's how much you gain by the way is like three pounds of muscle. Or you went blind for masturbating. Which you lose when you go off of them anyway. So my strong opinion on psalms is don't take psalms, it's stupid. It's totally dumb. If you're gonna go the route of taking some illegal shit, go take steroids. At least you know what they're doing. But it's like the biggest, it's like this, you're getting a lot of people talking about because I'm going, like I said, if you Google, you see all these bullshit articles trying to sell you the research chemicals. It's good marketing, man. They ninja everybody. No, it's a scary thing. And I just, if you're willing to try that, right? Then to me, I feel like I would personally much rather go somewhere where I feel like something has been studied for a lot longer. We know, we understand the dosage longer. We know what it looks like. We see humans that are walking around right now that have taken steroids for 30 years of their life. Hormone replacement therapist. Yeah, like revolving around it. Exactly, exactly. It's become, I don't know. I'm just, I'm not comfortable with doing something that affects me hormonally like that, that there's not enough research around it to make me feel comfortable. And who's to say, maybe we are wrong. Maybe that in five years, they nail it down and it's- I still wouldn't. I'll tell you why. Let's say it gets approved by the FDA, it passes phase three trials. Here you go, it's a new drug we're gonna use for men with low testosterone or for women with osteoporosis or whatever they're, or for people with muscle wasting disease, because those are the reasons why they're studying them. Let's say it's passed, and it's an FDA, and now it's passed by the FDA. It still has, compared to testosterone, very little research behind it. How many, think about all the drugs that have got recalled last year alone by the FDA, that got approved by the FDA, that all of a sudden we're like, oops, we just discovered this causes cancer or this- We didn't realize it takes 10 years for it to develop the cancer, right? No, no, no, no, I'm sorry. I stay away from SARM. Like again, if you're trying to build muscle with SARM, they don't even build muscle that well. Go and read on the forums how much people are gaining five pounds of muscle to take 100 times what the early studies are doing on animals to risk what? Totally not worth it. You know what it reminds me of? So last year, if I'm not mistaken, about six people died from synthetic marijuana. These are the fake marijuana that you can buy like at the gas station, like it's called Spice or whatever, where scientists, these garage scientists are taking chemicals and making them so that they can act on the cannabinole receptors and get you high, but they're technically legal through this loophole, the same loophole that SARMs are legal through, right? So they're inventing these chemicals that'll do this. And plus, if you get drug tested for marijuana, you'll show up negative, even though you're taking these synthetic cannabinoids. But there's been six deaths attributed to these, last year alone, and every year, people will go through like, will die from the use of synthetic marijuana. And last year, how many people have died from marijuana? Zero. Actually the last 10,000 years, how many people died of marijuana? Zero. This is, it's a great example of, you've got the natural thing, we're trying to figure out a chemical version of it, and we end up not doing some crazy shit. That's exactly what SARMs are. Mark my words, stay away. This next question is from Is Amazing. When I bench press, I don't really feel it in my chesticles. It's chesticles. How do I get my pecs to fire instead of my shoulders or triceps? I've tried close grip and wide grip bench, nothing is really working. This reminds me of when, we've done episodes on how to build a- I love that she asked this question, so it's awesome. She's on her forum. Yeah, she's a badass. This reminds me of when people ask me like, why they can't build their glutes, even when they squat and deadlift. You have a poor connection to your chest. So even though your form looks good and you're moving the weight, your chest is working by the way. It's just not working to its fullest capacity. And what you need to do is learn how to connect to your pecs so that when you do an exercise like bench press, you end up feeling it more. One of the things you can do in the bench press, because then there's gonna be a lot of, we're gonna end up talking about techniques you can do outside the bench press. But while you're doing the bench press is to remember the function of the pecs, which is to bring the humerus, that's the top party arm, in towards the centerline of your body. So while you're pressing the barbell off your chest, pull your, don't slide your hands on the bar, keep your hands tight on the bar, but imagine you're driving your hands in and bring your elbows in as you come up. So you're gonna create this inward tension as you press up, as you press the bar up. But you're gonna have to go lighter with your weight and slower to really focus on this. And then you should start to feel your chest a little bit more. I don't know if you guys want to talk about. Well, a couple of things. One, I find this really common when I used to get clients that had got breast implants and they weren't really like fitness people before. Like say I get this girl who's 30 years old or so, she got breast implants at like 25 or so, never really trained or lifted weights, finally at a point in her life where she feels it's necessary for her to come in and really get serious about her health and fitness. And she's one never really trained the chest, which is already a challenge, right? So mechanically when everybody, not every majority of all humans suffer from some sort of upper cross syndrome where our shoulders are rounded forward and our head is forward, when we're already in that position, the bench press becomes one of the hardest exercises to teach somebody mechanically because of the dysfunction, right? Because we are so rolled forward and used to using our shoulders and our everyday motions because of our posture. So already it's challenging. Then you get somebody who maybe has breast implants where they've gone in there and shoved fake boobs and busted up their chest and they stayed away from exercising it for a long period of time and moving it and then the body has to overcompensate with other muscles and now they've trained to use these other muscles to do these pushing movements. So super common with that, 100% this is like why Prime and Prime Pro was created. I mean, we created this program because we knew that there's a lot of people that can relate to not being able to fill this. I can count many, many clients that I spent months actually getting them just to feel and exercise like a bench press because of their posture was so bad. So addressing your posture. Now some basic moves for takeaways for those that don't own Prime or Prime Pro already, I love to take someone like this and lay them on a foam roll. So I run the foam roller down their spine and I do some like dumbbell chest flies with 15, 20 pounds and I actually want you to, and what I'm doing is I'm allowing the foam roll to open up your chest and scapula and the gravity will naturally drop your shoulder blades because there's no support for the shoulder blades. So it helps. Increases range of motion a bit and the capacity there. Yeah, that's a great one. I honestly, I feel the same way with just getting into the posture of it first and really working on connecting to that process through mobility and being able to properly retract to the range that you're capable of getting to and maybe that's something that you might wanna consider working on for a while in order to then retract properly and depress properly and be able to sustain and hold that in an isometric position. So if I take that as a focal point and then I apply it to the position where I'm laying down. So this is where like, I guess there might be some controversy with the way that you power lifters do it versus like body builders, right? And connecting to the chest. But for me, I always tend to lean more towards a nice open chest. So I'm going for full range of motion and I'm really relying on the stability there with my shoulder blades to keep me nice and tight in that full retracted position. And then that open position is really gonna allow me to now I'm gonna squeeze and work on all these other techniques where like, say I'm at the bottom of the rep and I wanna squeeze and connect to that piece like Sal's talking about squeezing and bringing it in inward, you know, as I'm pressing up techniques like that to help to connect to the process more. But to piggyback off your isometric thing this is something that I used to love to do if someone, I mean, cause sometimes you'll get clients that are just, no, you do all these things and like, I can't feel it. I still can't, it's really stubborn. So the next progression for me helping someone feel it in their pecs is lying on that foam roll. I'll have them grab like real light, five, 10 pound dumbbells, open them all the way up in the fly position and then I will resist them trying to close until I can get them to feel it where I want. So they're in the fly position. I'm holding the dumbbells down, not allowing them to close it together and getting in an isometric hold and getting them to focus on their chest in that isometric hold until they can figure that and not stress it with the arms, not stress with the shoulders. Then once they can connect it to the chest in that position, then I can release with my hand. And incrementally making your way up those. Yes, you squeeze like five, 10 seconds in the end range and then slowly make your way up inch by inch. And here's something easy too that you can do. This is really easy. This is what I did early in my career before I really understood priming is if I had somebody who didn't feel their glutes or their hamstrings or their quads or their chest or another prime mover of usually compound movements as I would have them do like one or two isolation exercises for that muscle and then I'd move them to the compound. So like if you don't feel your chest when you're bent, this is easy by the way. You don't feel like you're not feeling your pecs with the bench press. Go do three sets of cable crossovers and really squeeze the howl out of your chest and really feel the burn and the pump in your pecs. Then go bench press and boom, before you'll feel those pecs start to work because it's already pumped. That's what I meant by getting you on that phone is you do that first and then you go over to the bench press because I know this is a bench press question. Like if you do that first, you'll feel it in your chest and then you go to bench press and it's a lot easier. I had trouble feeling my chest with bench press for years. So did I. So I can definitely relate to this. What I ended up doing in this again before I understood priming I was a kid is I did flies. I would do flies before I pressed and I just did that for a year. You know what's really funny? Like they come to think of it a long time ago, I used to get made fun of a lot when before I would go to bench because of my ritual and my ritual, I would get to the bench and I would kind of open up and like get in this like dynamic stretch like really quickly. So I would do like, like almost like throwing my arms back and opening my chest. And then I would lay on the bench and I would go through this like pump kind of simulating like plyometric type movement. And I would just do that like totally like intuitively like not even realizing it was a thing or anything but everybody used to make fun of me for that. But I would get like way better connection. You were brilliant without even knowing it. 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Kettlebell Swings or Hill Sprints for Burning Fat, which is most effective and why. So this reminds me of a question I got on Instagram. I was gonna tell you guys earlier when you asked me off. Someone asked me a question on Instagram. It was real simple. What's the best way to burn belly fat? You know, when you get a question like that, you're like, oh God. Those are awesome. Like there's a fucking million. So you know what I started doing from now on? When someone asked me that, I just give them a straight, like a flat. So I was like, what's the best way to burn belly fat? I'm like, maps anabolic and maps prime. And they got it. They ended up buying the product. Cool. They're like, all right, well, there you go. I guess that's a good start. Which one's better for burning body fat? Okay. So this is gonna be tough. It's not that tough. And I'll tell you why it's not that tough because they're so different, right? It's if you were to ask something like hill sprints versus running on the ground flat versus ropes versus jump rope or those are all kind of similar. The kettlebell swings are definitely way more taxing on the body and can definitely end up hindering what you do the next day. So I feel like, especially if you're doing kettlebell swings with some decent weight. I mean, I guess if you're doing so. It depends how far the sprint, I mean, how hard the sprint is, dude. Yeah, man, I've been pretty fried after doing hill sprints. They're both, Yeah, but one of them's gonna fry you more CNS. One's gonna fry you more like physically because of the- Muscular endurance wise. Yeah, exactly. So you're swinging a kettlebell. It depends how it's done. Like, okay, so a hill sprint is anaerobic, right? Cause he's already wrote, you know, that wasn't the question. Sprint. Sprint. Sprint is anaeromantics. Here we go. Kettlebell swings can be anaerobic or it can be endurance. Like if you're doing kettlebell swings- Exactly, if you're doing hard style, we just went over this in the YouTube series with Mike actually. It's kind of good to bring that up. We evaluated this hard style, which is like the way that Russians are typically known for versus like the kettlebell sport, which is all the technique is based off of energy management and how much they could endure long periods of time of swing. So yeah, there's a different way to do it. And so I guess, yeah, again, this will all involve like how much, like fast twitch response are you trying to recruit versus like, you know, more of an endurance? Well, I'll tell you like how I would like prescribe it to a client. Like I, or how I would decide how I would do it is which one, which one has more carryovers into something else that is a priority to me. So let's say like I was playing in a men's basketball league not that many years ago. So having some sort of like ability to sprint like up a hill or period sprinting outside on the ground. Like I would like that that would carry over in my journey to lean out and burn fat in addition to give me some benefits to the sport that I was playing where a kettlebell swing sure it has some carryover but not as much carryover as the hill sprints would be for that sport. Now maybe I have a poor connection to my glutes or my hip hinge is not that great and I'm working on my deadlift and my squat a lot and there's a lot of great carryover from the kettlebell swing over into movements like that or maybe I want a better butt. I would probably do some kettlebell swings but from a fat burning, I guess it would really depend on which one you were doing last, right? Like if you were using kettlebell swings for the last couple of weeks for your burning fat and then actually going to do hill sprints would be awesome to continue on that progress of burning fat and then vice versa. Here's why I like hill, okay. All things being considered, of course, all things being equal I should say, if we have to pick on a head to head comparison, sprints versus swings specifically for fat loss. First off, I prefer anaerobic activity for fat loss than I do to endurance type activity or aerobic activity because anaerobic activity promotes or at least maintains muscle and metabolism versus aerobic activity tends to promote the adaptation that makes you more efficient, therefore slowing your metabolism down. So if we're comparing them head to head and everything else is equal, here's why I like sprints better. I like sprints better because I can go max out intensity, short distance and make it really anaerobic. With kettlebell swings, it's much more technical and I can't go all out with kettlebell swings for 30 seconds like I did with sprints because my form's gonna fuck up and it's gonna be... Well, there's a lot of momentum in this whole pendulum process. Like you said, it's a very skillful movement but it's also like you have to get into a zone and a rhythm with it that is consistent. With sprints, you can just drive. Where as sprints you just go balls to the wall. Exactly. Yeah. I would tend to lean in that direction as well. There's no doubt though the best if you enjoy both is to do both into... Whichever one you're not doing, which is what we tend to do. Here's the thing. Don't talk about it. I don't think you should do either one to burn fat. Don't look at them that way. I'd say do sprints to improve your power or your VO2 max or athletic performance. Do kettlebell swings because it's part of your exercise programming. And it's more technical. It's more technical. That's what I meant by that. Whichever one has more... Sprints are harder in your body. Whichever one of them to me has more carry over into your personal goals. I tried to draw the analogy there with my basketball. I probably didn't hit very well and I know I lost Sal. But that was the point of me... What's basketball? Yeah, that was the point of me saying that was that's how I would really decide that because really I'm not a fan of using cardio as the main way of burning fat in the first place. Well, not even judging. You don't need cardio to burn fat. Yeah, it's like sprints. If you're going to talk about injuries, like one of the single most like exposing exercises you could do to show you where your imbalances lie and your body will talk to you almost immediately is to do a sprint. So... True. Like honestly, like and I love keep maintaining like athleticism and trying to incorporate fast twitch movement. And I'm more inclined to do jump rope versus sprinting because of that simple fact alone. I don't do it enough. And it's such a, it's a thing that your body has to be very well versed in and respond properly to and fire on all cylinders at, you know, max effort. You know, like it's like, dude, your joints are going to explode. Well, if you haven't done it before. Or you'll pull something. You're going to pull something. Yeah. Dude, if we took, you know, 20 random people off the street and had them sprint at their max out and had them sprint at their max full intensity for just 15, 20 seconds. Like 20 average people. I bet you the vast majority of them hurt themselves. Oh, especially with no warming. Totally. That's what I mean. I just, most people don't even know how to warm up. Even warming up to that. It's like, you haven't, your body hasn't even moved like that. God. Yeah. For our age and older, but I mean, if you're 15, you still have your, you're still surprised. You can get up and do whatever you want. But I keep this in mind. And I know we haven't, we actually haven't talked about cardio. It's been a while since we did a whole thing on cardio. You know, it only takes your body about two weeks to really start to become pretty efficient at whatever it is you're doing. So let's say you take off and every day you decide to do these kettlebell swings and your goal is fat loss, right? Since that's what you're saying right now is, you know, which one is more effective for fat loss. And you've got the 14 days you do kettlebell swings every single day towards this fat loss journey. Well, by days 14, the returns are starting to decline like as far as, and I used to give these hypothetical numbers to draw this analogy for clients is imagine that the first time that you did that session of kettlebell swings, your body burned, you know, 10 units of fat, let's just say. Well, the next time you do it, it does nine and a half. And the next time you do it, it does nine. The next time it does eight, then it does seven, six, five, four, and it keeps going down. And so maybe 14 days of you doing this consistently, you're still burning some fat, but now the body has become very efficient at what you're teaching it. And it does that quicker with things that are aerobic. So you wanna make sure that you're staying ahead of that curve. So I'm looking at it like, okay, well, if this, if kettlebell swings is mirrors something that I do more, like I do a lot of other kettlebell exercises all the time. So my body is very adapted, efficient to that. Going out and doing hill sprints, and I want the maximum fat from fat burn from it. I'm gonna get the most benefit from what's the least, least similar to what I currently do or have been doing. Does that make sense? It makes total sense. They've actually done studies on this. Well, they'll show like a high level, very well-trained, you know, athlete, like a swimmer. And they'll have them swim in a pool for, you know, a few laps or whatever, measure their calorie burn. And it's like way lower than you would ever imagine. Because they're so efficient at it. Yeah, their bodies have become so efficient at what they're doing that they're just burning less calories. On all levels, right? It becomes mechanically better. It conserves, it conserves energy better. You're taking everything that gets better. I mean, that's, we're adaptation machines. It's, we're so amazing. It's so cool. And when you start to look at it like that, like you want your body to start to adapt to a point, but then you don't want it to be, when you're using it. How do you make change? Change. Yeah, right. When you're trying to burn fat and you're- Mr. Damos. This is also why I don't, why, you know, I, all the time I talk about cardio. Oh, I'm so anti-cardial. Well, everyone thinks I'm anti-cardial. Like, no, I'm just, I'm not about getting on and hammering myself on, on a machine or swinging away a kettlebell or spreading up a hill, hoping that I'm going to shred all these, all these ounces of body fat off of me when I know that my body is going to figure this shit out real quick, real quick. It's going to see great results from it. And then after that, I'm going to become very efficient. And guess what? If running up a hill hella fast is my main goal, I'm going to accomplish that pretty quick. But if my main goal is to burn fat, I'm better looking more deeper into my programming and my diet than I ever am on what's better for me to be doing as far as what exercise I should be doing to be burning this fat. Great point, Adam. Check this out. Go to YouTube and subscribe to Mind Pump TV. We post a new video every- Awesome videos. Single day. Also- I hype it up a little more. 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