 And when who is there in the hall? The fish is just natural, because parents, they go out and catch fish, and I go along with them. Then they watch them make them harpoons or spears, or any kind of equipment to catch salmon. And without them telling us we watch them and see the material that they're using, we get along and start picking it ourselves. It isn't everybody that can catch salmon. Young people and strong guys, they go out there and they make a trap and they throw them up on the beach, and the women and old people, they go there and they put through that fish up for the winter. This is community work, right through. Now we're having a hard time because there's no more community work. The people was never hungry, and they were always jolly. They were always happy. There was no unemployment, nothing. There was no government to feed them. Now the people are fed by the government, and some of them are having quite a time right now. Gosh, government don't give them enough. The Indians, they save the fish, they don't destroy it. I said, what about the sport fishermen? What about the commercial fishermen? I said, some of the guys that you want to adjust in any way you want. I said, don't take that salmon off the native table. That's what we live on. You think we're going to stop eating just for those guys who catch a lot more money? I said, no, you're not. You're never well. When we started fishing, we used to get up and we had sheds over here along the Birkenhead. We just kept up, and we had sheds everywhere. We'd grind them, barbecue them, salt them. But now we moved down to the lake, and we used the gill nuts to catch them. We got the camps down there, and we stayed down there from September, our August to October. They didn't have to tap on what we catch in those days, but now they want to know how much it catch, how many you dry in the small trees. Well, they think they'll be pushing us, but we don't like it. We don't like it. That's how we survive. My grandmother was the one that taught me how. I had a small little shed of my own, where I first started cutting fish. Ever since then, I've been cutting fish. I always cut it right from the back, and when I get to the middle, you know, I flop it over and I use the knife this way again. I was from the back. The backbone is a little too thick, you know, so you'd have to cut a strip off, you know, and then dry that, and that's just as good, so they dry easier, you know. Sometimes they have a bag full of those, which we call them, they put wheels in, they call it. The hunters just pack those, and they said, that's better than anything else, and just easy packing. They just go around, and they just chew it. That's all. You can't beat nature. There's no use trying to adjust it. Just adjust yourselves. An Englishman named Mitchell Wood came to Seton Lake. He blocked the outlet of the river at Seton Lake. He just dammed it, so no fish can go. They've already had the hatchery built, and they stopped the fish from coming up the river, and they catch the fish and squeeze the salmon roe out of it, squeeze the eggs out of it, and put it into this hatchery. In about four years' time, there wasn't a fish came up. They had to destroy the hatchery. They'd done kill all the fish. You see, they squeezed the young ones out before they got to the natural spawning ground, and that was about 40, 50 miles this way. They stopped them way down there and squeezed the eggs out of it. I said, the government itself don't know, but he sent people, smart people like you guys, pay them big wages. Well, every time he asked, he said, good, real good, doing fine, we're doing fine, we've got millions of it and all that. They're doing good as long as they get that paid, that's all. They don't think of URB, the next generation. As long as the river runs and the lake is there, we'll do our fishing. Right?