 You want to do it as part of the town manager, how many of you searched? Yeah, just a quick update. Those are some good suggestions. Yeah, problem numbers. Okay. Okay, I'll make it. We'll just explain it all with the process. All right, we're good? It was a turbo? Wait, I'm proving it. It's someone who's second? Second. Okay, all in favor? Okay, we have public comment or inquiry. If there's anything that's not on the agenda for this evening, then anyone has any comments? Just make sure when we do it that we state your name for the record so we have you in there. Okay. My name is Dan McCullough. I've been part of the town for 60 years. I was part of IRA and the Reconstruction Act of IRA. I had a convenience store in town and I've witnessed and been active in this community as far as daily fall. And I'm extremely concerned why we're at where we're at. I understand this board is not responsible for a lot of that, but at the same time, I'm here tonight to urge this board. I've managed 20 and 30 and 40 and five million dollar plus companies since 1980. I've managed people. And I urge this board to acknowledge what they have in the house right now for assets, namely Teresa, and go into an executive session, put a pile up in front of this clinic, and get control of this because we have, there's just so many things that I could, but I'm not here to, you know, I've witnessed this in my store every day with people. I hear it all. And I share it with Dave Samuelshaw. But my point to this board here is that we do have been elected to lead this town and we have our faith in you as a board. And I don't believe we can go through three, four more months of interviews and processes and orientation and staff or whatever to bring somebody on board, bring them up to speed and get the things that need to be gotten done. I mean, I'm talking about, we've had two repairs in front of Richardson's country store. We've had one repair on Christian Hill. These are little asphalt jobs. These are five hour projects. Totally. I work in construction. I couldn't go a customer for, you know, saying I'm out of here and see you in six months. Those, you know, and this is right downtown. And I mean, it's nothing personal here. I'm not here to, but I want a town manager. And then I want a town manager who's accountable to her department heads to make them accountable. And that's all I want to say. I've sat by and I've vented about it. I've shared with a few of the board members before. But I would urge this board that, you know, this is a, this town has become extremely expensive to live in. We've had eight water bills in the last eight quarters and they've changed six times into eight quarters. And there's people here that are either, they need to expire, but they can't afford to live in here. So that's part of my agency here that, you know, Vermont's in trouble. And that is the trouble because we, you know, we got to get a handle on things. We can't just keep throwing money. And I'm concerned about this little eight week adventure here with, you know, just, you leave the town garage. There's three little areas I can throw a rock from that could be rectified before lunch. And we call them, we drive around them. And I just, I'm, in private industry, I couldn't do that. You guys at Pike couldn't do that. So that's my thing. I mean, I don't want to take up your time tonight. I appreciate everything you guys do. But I, you know, I just feel like I would again say I would urge you to seriously go into a session, talk amongst yourselves and try to recognize a true asset when you have one in-house that, you know, she shared with me, I went by a week ago, Sunday morning, six o'clock. And this woman's car was parked in front of the town. And I'm like, I didn't know how to talk to Theresa. And I'm like, I'm going to go back to talk to her. So I go back to talk to her and I want her to come out. She's all casual and sweat pants. In the year, trying to get stuff done. Nose to the grind zone, tenacity, dedication and cares. And I'm sitting there thinking to myself, you know, and I've been in with her a little bit. But my point was that here's somebody that truly is dedicated to the well-being of this town. And I think that if we interview her whole life and she explained to me that she was interested in this job, and I've sitting there thinking, if she was a home storm, if I had an employee like that, they'd come back, there might be a little bit disenfranchised to the point to saying, well, you know, I think I'm pretty good, but maybe I'm not, and maybe I'll go elsewhere. But anyway, that's all I want to say. I hope that you guys will, if you get a quiet moment, justify for you to vent this in error. Because there are, there's a lot of people in this community, a lot of people, from Memphis to the Dave Sandwich shop that I set with them, Tuesday morning with coffee, that are, you know, they're frustrated. And now that things are starting to change, and this is the thing that I've shared with Theresa the other day, I can't have a laid-off manager for four months or whatever this hiring process is. I don't think you can. And continue to go into November. And because, I mean, we have quiet bills. Every road we drive on is, you know, potentially we refer them and stuff. So I just, you know, I know you guys are working on it. Anyway, thank you for that, and that's all I want to say. Well, thank you for sharing. Dan, as you know, the, well, update a little bit on the town manager kind of search progress. I would say that right now we're not taking the longer approach like we did last time when we hired. Last time we kind of went nationwide. This time we're looking more regional. But, you know, it's still, you know, regardless of who's interested in the position on it, you know, it's a fair process to go through and open it up to the community as well as... Chris, if I were to shoot, if I were to shoot, I would ask myself, if I managed by 10, 15 million dollars that I've had people set in front of me that are value-deployed, and I've lost them because of that. But I would urge you to say, what are we looking for in a person? Management skills, accuracy, response going, reporting to you guys, these are all things. I mean, I had employees that would tell me what they wanted, that they knew I wanted to hear. But two weeks, three weeks, five weeks out, that wasn't the reality. And so that's why I'm saying is that you, as a board, what is this person, what do you mean? And I think you have right now. And we may, you know, be right. But we do feel comfortable, and we're not going to speak to the whole board, but we do feel comfortable right now by appointing Theresa, that we do have a very comfortable interim town manager that we don't feel that we're, you know, missing a beat on, or we're having a lame duck session, or any of those types. I mean, we're being very responsive to what's out there now. We're starting the FEMA projects, which kicked off today. We're going through the bidding process of the remainder. You know, we'll be awarding two more tonight. I would say we're on track on those. Nothing's fallen by the wayside. But is FEMA going to reimburse us if we can remit you at management tonight? Yeah. We've already met. Yeah, we're good. And we just had our first contractors start working on Louisville today. So then we have two more to award tonight. We've we've either bid or have had the pre-meetings to bid on everything else. Everything's out except for FEMA. So in the next, like, I think two weeks, everything will be bid. Except for FEMA. I'm not necessarily. I mean, part of my concern, part of the reason I'm sitting here tonight is that I don't want FEMA and the infrastructure and maintenance of federal law growth and water. I don't think if we're waiting for the federal government to rectify all of our issues, you know, I just think we're on the wrong course, you know. And I understand we had this storm, we had these issues with it. But why did this community experience more damage than, say, Stockbridge, all these other views? I know the reason why. I mean, things haven't been addressed. And that's why I'm saying is that accountability, accountability, accountability. And it has to be. I mean, you have to be accountable to you guys. Have to be accountable to taxpayers. I can guarantee you if this continues on till March of next year, it's going to be you. You're starting to feel. I think a lot of what the community has felt here in the last couple of years, as well as what we're continuing to feel, is past the collection on our administrations of past. And we're answering for that now. And I will say that, you know, the board has been very forward-thinking on getting out ahead of things. I mean, we have the Watermaster Plan that had come back. We've already expedited that. So it's at the design phase right now, which we hope to have by November. Yeah. So we're hoping to go to a bond vote on November so that we can start exactly addressing these. Because right now, all we're doing is just fixing stuff. And we're trying to get an interest. That's a $400 fix in front of registrations. Yeah. That's two ton of asphalt. And we'll get it done. But we're working on, again, instead of running around and putting out the fires, we're looking at trying to get the long-term picture. I mean, if following up on SWAT on the back row of the Royalton, Dave Benson dug that across the road. I mean, I don't want to get into the new issue of details. I mean, it isn't, I mean, why did we buy a $130,000 back home? Why do we have that? Dave Benson does all our digging. I mean, those are issues, I mean, as a taxpayer. I mean, I watched him fix this problem at the bottom of the bridge in February with horrendous conditions. And AJ, I think that's the guy's name, you know, he's a good operator, evidently. Because between work and work, he worked and down in there by the sidewalk to repair that. But then that settled out of the way. Now you have a cane in underneath the sidewalk. That's been there since February. These are the kind of things that, you know, I'm not, it's not personal. I just want people to be accountable. Because we're paying rates that this isn't coming from this county. Kansas State. $216 a quarter for water. No, that's not fire insurance. That's nothing. I mean, I started when Teresa and I joked about it. When she first came to town, she made a real down effort going around and meeting people. And she was in my store one morning. We had a coffee together. She's pretty close to the same age as I am. Our kids are the same age. And I asked her a question two years ago that said, Teresa, if you were 22 years old, would you move to Bethel and start a family? Well, I think you, you know, the answer to that is if you're 22 years old and you moved to Vermont. Exactly. Right. And it's not just a down effort. Vermont's a god damn good estate. I mean, this is somehow a country. But the thing that it's going to take time to ride the ship. It doesn't turn around. We have to get the reins. We're working on it. I am? You know, it takes more than, you know, two, three, four years in some cases. I mean, it takes time. I mean, we really had ourselves in a boat. I appreciate your time. You know, I think, you know, we feel comfortable right now that we're not missing a beat with threes right now. We're going through the formal process. We're not lengthening that process, really. Well, if I was threes, I mean, if I worked in a company, if you worked, and I'm just sitting in here, I'm kind of at the controls of the aircraft, but not really. There might, there's something that might come up in the show that they moved by. So, I mean, there's a difference in being in control and asking your department heads to be accountable. What do these guys do? I mean, I'm, Chris, I want to explain, I understand that I live on North Maine. I have a business on South Maine. I'm doing two health sites in Christian Hill. I'm driving around town and going to a couple of mills. I'm in and out of town all day long. And I see stuff as a taxpayer that concerns accountability. If I had two employees working for me and they were hanging out through the chip for an hour and a half, and I came up to Chris and said, here, we work for your house seven hours 40 bucks an hour, you know, and you're like, wow, yeah, what did you do? And that's my thing with accountability. And I don't think, as a weighing, I hate to use that word, but an interim town manager, if you have true control of your departments, do your work. I don't know, I wouldn't think you would. Maybe you guys, maybe you think you do. But anyway, thank you for your time. Okay. Does anybody have anything else, public comment? Inquiry. Okay. You're done. We will move to our first appointment. Peter. My name is Peter Gregory. I'm Director of Two Rivers. I have a pretty cheap retail commission. And I appreciate your kind of brief, but I just wanted to reintroduce myself to all of you and talk a little bit about our commission and put a pitch in for an appointment to move my board from your town for two. Again, Two Rivers is one of 11 regional planning commissions in the state. We have 30 towns within our region. I've got 10 staff and a couple more that I hired in the summer to do covert inventories and road erosion work. We've been around since the 60s. I've been with the commission almost 30 years. I've been a director since 97, but I've got a staff that's really well versed in GIS mapping and road work and housing, transportation, emergency management, FEMA-related work, all that kind of stuff. We've got a board of about 60 people, but we have 30 towns, and each town can point up to two, a regular and an alternate. We meet about eight to 10 times per year, depending on the number of Nor'easters and things like that. And we have responsibilities to our communities in helping them and working with FEMA and grant writing. We do quite a bit of grant writing and grant administration. We also have responsibilities in developing a regional plan. That regional plan is under consideration right now. We're going through public hearings this week, but that plan is something we're required to do. It helps guide municipalities in their planning. It helps guide the state out of invested resources. So that's kind of a nutshell about the two rivers. I can give you a lot more detail but I don't want to take up too much of your time, but Carl Russell was the last appointment from Bethel to my board, and I guess in March when his term was up, I'm going to select him. He stopped dating a commissioner. He was a good man, a smart guy, and there really was a good perspective. I'm willing to answer any questions about time commitments, or what else we do, or complaints, or things happening in Washington or anywhere else. So you said you meet eight to ten times a year. I know Carl did say you might be interested in staying as the alternate and you've just been so busy and been able to make some recent meetings, but how long do your meetings normally last? We keep them to no more than two hours and we strive for about an hour and a half, because people have a long drive. Right, and they start... Six, six-thirty? Yep. More than they usually help. Well, sometimes we try to rotate, but then we lose about half the commissioners that don't want to go to that side of the region, so generally we do meet at the senior center. But yeah, if Carl wants to continue, that would be fantastic. Not as the... Yeah. He was like, well, it's like, I really need you to find someone else. But he did enjoy it, certainly, and just time commitments. Absolutely. And now, right at this point, and certainly I read up, Al and I did last week and was able to, she's working with her in a grant and also I picked to her the RFP for the engineer from Nellow Bridge, as well as we have a project we're waiting for. We need to get somebody from the state to perk up and answer us. And so it just meant nice for me, because I did the others. And it's just, I just don't have time to do everything plus those, so she was great. I really enjoyed meeting her. Yep. Did we have anybody on the board that might be interested in that position, or... Yeah, I was thinking about the breakfast that they had there a few months ago, and very interesting stuff. I mean, I... It doesn't have to be a board member. No, but I think it'd be, you know... No, but it'd be nice if these Pauls interested, because it is, it'd be nice to have that information that they talk about being able to have it. It's a high-paying job, too. Yeah. We usually have to have an audience for cheese. Higher job time. More job time. And they eat you, better than we do here. But it seems like that's one of the, one or two positions that, you know, probably ought to have a select board member. Yeah. Either that or someone in the town administration be a part of that. So... When is your next meeting? Next meeting is actually August 21st, and then I mean, go to the 4th Wednesday, September, October, and then maybe December. You can go try it out, Paul. No commitment. No, that's why I'm sitting there. No, I think I was like... No, you're not. Sure, that would be fine. I'd ask you questions about time. I think the more towns can engage with us, the more value they see in what we offer. I do have a really good staff on that. I know at the breakfast there, there were several folks from neighboring towns that had no concept of what the organization did. That's one of the reasons we did that kind of outreach and stuff, and we always wished for more attendance. But I mean, you know, the planning commission was always kind of similar, so it's something we're constantly trying to do. So we appreciate your support. We're payment-a-do's. We've enjoyed working with Therese so far, and she's been doing a lot for a very short amount of time. But I want to be a resource to you all to Therese during this transition. There's just a ton of things going on, things to do with the opportunity. Yeah. It's been really helpful and helpful for her. She was great, and she was super to deal with. She's made her life easy, so it was really good. And we know the people that go from out here. Exactly. Sometimes he isn't on it. Yeah. Well, thank you, Peter. Well, thanks very much. I think what we'll do is we'll get back to you on first, if Paul wanted to go through with it, it was gone. If, for some reason, that's not something that you want to do. Paul, then maybe you can put it out and see if anybody wants to be part of that. Thank you. Thank you. You're up, Dylan. So Dylan was here last time. He purchased the estate of John Henry and was looking to get, it's not necessarily an abatement, but was looking to get the water and sewer bills taken care of during the transition. So, I think it's been really helpful for her. She was taking care of during the renovation period, similar to what, you know, was going on in this building here. But he made it in a public comment period, so we asked him to get an official appointment to be recognized for that. So, did everybody have a chance to get right up? Oh, I did. And so, because the letter did request an abatement and the letter requested an abatement and an abatement for the last quarter and it's moving forward. Right? So, we've been mapped because it's all because Dillon bought a new tent. So, the Bay and the last quarter would just be since he owned it moving forward to be an abatement of $44.20. If you were to Bay last quarter, prior to that, it was owned by someone else and part of purchase deal. So, so currently just so everybody understands and correct us if we're wrong, what we're looking for right now is to is for no charge for the water or sewer during the a one-year period or until repairs are complete for that that building. Which, you know, right now, like Tari said would be $44.20 in some back pay for one month's worth. And then for the next year, that building currently haven't been collecting any revenue on that until dealing about it, but for some time it's been a period of time. I don't know, I can't remember how past it was, but the water is off, right? Yeah. So the water is off to the building and it's been off for it's been off for $200. Maybe $3,000. In past water? Yeah. I think they maybe kept the taxes so the one-year commitment that was about $1,1,171 so it's like $1,170 plus the $44 or whatever it is. Right. I don't know, I was a little leery about the $1,200 commitment. Because that money has to come from somewhere. Well and I was kind of curious especially because we have Tim here if he can speak to I know we've sort of in the past we've been really understanding we currently have one property under abatement but you've chosen to invest in a second company so you had enough money to invest in a property but now you're asking us to abate a second one and I know it Tim has mentioned before it really significantly impacts. Let's get it out of the way it's not it's cracking. I mean I'm I'm aware I'm aware of it. Diabetic because there's needles everywhere. And I'm not I think you're doing the right thing and this is not an argument about doing or the wrong thing we still have to make a decision as a board that's best for the whole town and that takes into account that you're fixing up a property that in time will bring revenue back to us in a way that it wasn't and exactly I mean right that's but that's one piece of it and I'm I'm curious to hear from our water manager what the other side is because there is another side there's always another side and so it's not to say at all that what you're doing is you're asking for something that isn't reasonable but you know I'm just I'm curious to hear the the counterpoints I guess well Dylan and I actually talked about it shortly today and and I I struggle with it it's a one-for-one loss you know it's either it's actually it's a two-for-one loss because when we don't have that 1200 coming in we have to make up that 1200 to have that initial 1200 so it's really $2,400 at the end of the day because you have to make it back up to have it dispensed but the thing that I think Dylan brings to the table at the end of the day is he's fixing a property beyond what it would have been if it had maintained the situation it had it would have just dilapidated into the ground we would have ended up with it one way or the other it would have been a tag sale so I really struggle on what it costs the system but I also understand the benefits of the town from the two properties that he's that he's upgrading for us and so I guess I kind of agree that he should have I hate to say it but he should have an abatement but I would like it to be addressed if you go for whatever term address it at that term you get a status update you find out how much longer that's my feeling I think currently your other building is we did every double floor right now I think that's baited through I think he's got another quarter yeah until September 8 so how many quarters was that was this one here three quarters did it make four it was a year I think it was a year I think so it was a year maybe close three or four quarters and was that two apartments before Dillon or was it so it was two before and now it's two again she lived downstairs and I think the other one was begging for a while so that'll take more than two years right right but it's I'm not sure now I was built honestly you're still looking from September having operational on that building I mean I think you know I guess the way I look at it is you know if we're gonna do something with some of these buildings that are you know almost at the point of no repair you know that we have to be willing as a town kind of put that down payment down knowing that you know we might eat it for six months or a year but in the long run it's gonna be better off for our community you know because if we don't have hopefully we're at the point at some point here soon where we don't have those buildings so we don't have to have this discussion but until then you know there's there's a few other buildings in the downtown area we can you know that I like that too but we didn't get the people on the break but when the buildings ever emptied I thought that they always had somebody in there in that commercial property I thought that was the deal with them Mo was that they always had somebody in there like one but maybe not the other and so I think you know that was that was you know when we decided to go update our water policy especially you know we took away the we took away the option of being able to put those on vacancy right now the commercial property commercial property so what that the what that was supposed to do was to actually get the owners of those buildings to do something with them which which we made the comment at that time that you know we'd be willing to work with these owners to get those properties up to a speed where we can collect not just collect revenue but they could be full and you know I mean you know it's a whole you know if if we don't you know these buildings are going to continue to get devalued which you know our brand list shrinks you know it ends up being more tax money to everybody I think the only thing I was concerned on this one was just the length of period without a check in kind of Tim was saying the other one we kind of did like six months gave us an update how things were going and then then you ask for you know another quarter to get it going I think I would be you know I would be more open to like to do six months and then have you come back to us at the end of the year and give us a status update of because by that time you know this property would be going you know give us an update I'm sure at that point you'll be switching your focus more to that this one's going right and then you can kind of really give us a better timetable because it just concerns me to to give like a one year or until repairs are complete which you know I don't don't want to get into a building that takes five years or something but I was kind of thinking that I'd be done before a year that's why I said or until you know if it was six months that I had done that would be a year or until right completed I was thinking before a year you know I think by a year it's done I mean what kind of work would it be to say I've got more than one not important till so I guess you know I'm willing to do the six months and then and do the 44-20 on back based on that one month and the only reason why I say that is because even though he formally didn't start the process he started the process several weeks ago on this you know he came to the last meeting you know had he maybe been had the formal process out of the gate he could have had that already taken care of so we wouldn't have to because that's the only thing we're really abating is the 44-20 the rest of it is not a technical abatement but so I think his proposal was kind of out there that would have covered that 44-20 just wasn't formally done in a setting that we could approve it I think the six month time period is good I like that but I also at some point you know Dylan didn't buy the building just cuts you know you're hopeful that it's going to turn around and show a profit and you know get your return on your investment and make some money he didn't buy just because you had a bunch of pile of money hanging around so you know on his part too that he expected he knew the condition of the building and he knew what was going to take to get it back on the rolls again so there's you know so he didn't buy it how did people want it oh no no you did a great thing don't don't get me wrong always getting ready to buy it he has this close he had the money in his hand he was running down I mean you sure like an open-ended kind of a thing living there because that money has to come from someone and it comes from you know from me Chris water users other water users on the system unless we cut the water department's budget from $12,000 or something unreasonable so I think the six month you know let's revisit it again in six months and see what happens so it sounds like we got two on board for six months does anybody want to make a motion we've got six months are you talking about doing the abating the 4420 as well or I mean again I you know I just see it as you know it's no different than what we've done to other building owners in town on either giving them short term loans we've done that in the past they have to get buildings going you know and if you give money then you can't collect money interest on it so you're in a way you're losing money you know but you know these are the things that are forward thinking for our town as well if we want to get out the whole way and get the buildings where they need to be and have more owners you know like Lindley and everybody else that seem to be in the spirit of buying and we have an obligation to work with them I think it's a good discussion to have because Lily's right and slippery slope but you know we're always you know just you've said the same thing Chris we've been tax abatements and then you see the budget status report you're like oh yeah so absolutely I think it's a good conversation to have and Lindley struggles the same one we all struggle like you know you see the good but it's a great I'm glad that you had the conversation I think that was important and I was hopefully this property is you know full you're collecting income on it and we're collecting full water sewer taxes you know but you know the idea is the idea is the idea is that building's running that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that you know you know that's that's actually think see I don't I mean expenses you know not this define right and these places are you know not water likes she不過 there's no definitely not well Well, and also if they turn into commercial accounts, then they won't be eligible for the vacancy rate. I mean, according to the new ordinance. Or anything that is a commercial thing. It's a commercial because it's not rented out. Yeah, so that would turn into a commercial thing, so the vacancy rate would apply. That's definitely right. So I guess I just need a motion and a second? So moved. So the motion is for to give Dillon six months with no charge of water or sewer for the the the estate of John Henry and to abate 4420, which was this past month's water water and sewer usage. We have a motion. Second. Okay, second. All in favor. All right. Thank you, Dylan. We'll see you and We'll look forward to seeing you in December. Yes. I think we just wanted to guarantee we keep seeing you. That's really what it came down to. At a certain point, you got to get your projects done. I wish that was a factor. Don't worry. I'm almost in the same way. Thanks Dylan. All right, good luck. Why does this don't matter enough to you? I wonder if they have my chief time. I just, there was some, just got a bottle of a tragic fire on the street down off Main Street the other day. Those questions and concerns and not everybody's in the loop or the reason they're not in the loop is not what they do. There was some questions about why the fire didn't have water right out of the hybride immediately when they got there. Well, it did. There was just some speculation. Some people want to know why the water wells mark already turned on when there was a fire. It's because they run on timers. But it is also part of the upgrade that we're working on. So the minute there's a drop, then they will start filling back up. It will all be automatic. The other thing is is we have a very good relationship. I didn't know Gary was going to be here. He was going to be here. We have a really good relationship with the fire department. Every time we have an issue with a hydrant, I do an updated sheet of all the hydrants again. And it's in red, the ones that have issues and which way the handle turns because everybody gets anxiety when you have these issues. And so it tells them exactly what's going on with what hydrants and where. And they know that internally. And then some people, I guess, heard when Morgan, and it's great for Morgan, is now on the fire department. And he also does water and has keys to stuff. So David knew the minute that we had a fire, turned the well on, so we got some water going up. So some people heard, overheard this conversation that we're not part of the group. And then they were wondering why it wasn't turned on. And it's because of the automation. We just, we don't have it. I've already met with Green Mountain Power. I've met with our surveyors. I've met with the engineers. And I'm getting ready to work on the easement with the landowner so that we can lay out where the potential power will go for the bond boat to that level. Things are going the way they're supposed to. We just have some people that don't understand everything that's going on. I don't know what has to say about what they don't know, or how to bring them up to speed. But really, if you brought them up to speed, you wouldn't need me. That's great. Well, the good thing is, too, it's one more reason that we're talking about this is that the bond boat, there's something else that people, you know, aren't aware of. Updating the lines and all that is the fact that, yeah, it's fire, it's protection so that, you know, if you have a lead or massive lead that will remain braiding the fire, they're going to automatically pump to pick on. Because right now we can't let them run 24-7. So that was another great feature of what's going to come in the bond boat. And David and the whole fire department, the hydrants, because of the size of our reservoirs, they're not designed to fight a complete fire. What that does is it lets them get on scene. They start suppressing the fire while they set up their equipment and start to drop out of the river, which is an endless supply of water. They practice this all the time. It's their plan. It's what they do. And so it's pretty much status quo. So I just kind of wanted to put you guys to ease. It's really, it's not, it's control mayhem, is what it is, pretty much. Tim, the hydrant that's out here. Yep. When that blew off, Danny mentioned it. When it blew off in the end of February, within a week, they said that when it was out of service, the problem was it damaged the pipe. So we were then faced with the choice of do we spend five grand, fix that hydrant, and then pass the bond boat and then put new system in in a year. So then they threw that $5,000 down the drain. The way the system works now, where they draw from whatever hydrant is closest to them, they pony the water to where they are and then they draw out the river. It really didn't change the firefighting effect. And thankfully that fire, that house had a hydrant in front of it. So this one out of service is what it is. And it's fine with drinking water in the business. It's fine with the understanding of these issues. And they also, they know where we're going. They know what we're trying to do and they support us. It's pretty much a new point. The next time you're down, they're working on the stairs. They're excavating around it and actually you have all so that nothing happened. These are all AC pipe or slip joint. They have a really insufficient thrust ball, which is what happened with this one. This one literally wiggled its way off the pipe and then blew off is what it did. Yeah, I remember. Yeah. So try not to throw good money after that. But the fire department knows everybody that needs to know is in the loop. And the communication is awesome. And I'm grateful for how they react to it. There's no way we would have used two hydrants on the line anyway. Not because one takes away from the other. One takes away all the other. The only one we would ever open is one. And then as the fire began to develop, we realized that we had no access to it. So we had a Methodist church parked on this door to it. So then it becomes a question where our fallback position is defensive for anything else to happen. That's our real purpose. So at that point we knew we were going to have to blow close to 1,000 gallons. And then this wasn't going to come out of a hydrogen system. As it was, we blew 130 gas, 130,000 gallons. Yeah, that's right. That's right. We had a city system and about another 60 to 80,000 on the river. We never had to go with a water curtain to the Methodist church. But we still did a lot of large dam work on the river. Just keeping cool enough that we could allow it to break through and show us where it's at. And that's the other thing too. The fire suppression actually was on the ceiling on the second floor. The fire was in the attic. So even though the fire suppression was running, it wasn't getting the fire. Yeah, the fire was above the sprinklers. So it wasn't ever going to trigger until the room became hot enough to trigger. And at that point we were actually pulling our people off because we didn't have access to temperature loads going up. And then it became a danger. Attic cars were all in very dangerous. Almost as bad as selling them. So it's just a precautionary note. And then when you fall back, you take the option of leaving the option of leaving. You start planning this out right away. So anyway, if you guys ever have any questions just send me an email. Get back to it as quick as we can. And hopefully keep moving forward on this. You guys have any questions? No. Oh, all right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Bye. Bye, Angel. Then next we actually have the town manager search committee piece. And then after all kind of updates on what we've had for responses today. So there's been a little flaw. There's been a few questions that have been addressed either myself or the board or the town here, administration on the last week or so is, you know, that people that have expressed interest in the position of what is it actually that you do or you know. So what we did the last time we did the town manager search when we hired Greg what we decided to do was because the select board has all the power to interview ourselves and point a new town manager. We felt at that time that it was best to get the community involved as well. So we established a temporary committee which was made up of the select board members and then we had opened it up to the public. And last time we were going to make it as a 10 total committee. So there'd be five board and five community. It just so happened to be that five exactly five people wanted to do it. So we had a total of 10. So what the committee does is once we collect the applications we get together as a committee. Every committee person gets a copy of all of all the applicants once a while. So right now Paul's kind of heading up collecting of the applications. He'll weed out some of the oddballs because sometimes it's clearly somebody just put their name in for unemployment or they hit the reply all to 10,000 of them out on some website. So he'll weed through the odd irregular ones and then he'll collect what we would assume would be the ones that are worth the committee to start looking at to. And last time we so we'll meet at some point here in the next week or two as a committee. We'll start looking at the applications and we'll start talking about the interview process of you know last time we had 34 people that applied. We went nationwide this time they're doing it more regionally. So we would expect that we would have you know a lesser draw and then figure out how many people do we want to interview. Last time at a 34 we decided to interview 10 and we started the interview process at 10 and they worked their way into like one or two rounds of interviews because it was so large. You know where this time depending on whatever responses you know maybe it's starting at I don't know six or something you know. So last time we started with 10 interviews and the first interviews were done by phone. I think there were a few Skype interviews. So they were all done. And then after the first round the committee would get together and talk about you know how each one thought about everyone's interview. And then we would assess you know a magic number of okay let's go from 10 down to five or six or whatever we went and then we did a final round of interview. So the responsibilities really is to be a part of the committee and go through the process of seeking out the applicants that we have interview them. It does not mean that all 10 committee members have to be at the interviews. That was one of the nice things about last time is you know because we all have our normal lives that you know some people couldn't be there on a Wednesday to interview. So you know there'd be other people that would be there and then we would just compare notes with everybody how the interviews went. Wouldn't it be smarter to have them in the evening. I don't know evening. Yeah I mean last time I think we tried to do like we had some like morning ones and some like late afternoon ones early evening. It depends on the number of people we got. Right for example inside the country was a time difference. Yeah that's right. Some of them were Skypes. Yeah. Phone interviews. We would assume that the interview process would probably be a little different this time because it is more of a regional focus. So last time maybe only three or four of the total amount were actually done in person. They were done you know either through telecommunications of some sort. Well I would expect this kind that a majority of them will probably be done in person. So that would change a little bit. Basically we've only got four people from the community at large that applied for them. Yeah currently on my list. Unless anybody's here because the ad said they either put in interest to LA or they could come here tonight. Right. So maybe Brian and Gary are here for the committee because I don't know. Yeah that's a yes. So currently unless I have any different individuals I had received three names. I don't know. The fourth I think was he was more interested in the interim. Interim town man. Yeah I just said that because I assume all or someone should respond. Kelly gave it to me and I said put it in the packet or whatever and then we'll move something with it. And he's not actually even a community member so he wouldn't be. So I just have to. I think there were two in your packets and then you received one via email right Chris and Dave Eddie. Yep. You know later so maybe you'll get more. I don't know. Didn't we say it had to be in by this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess we ought to follow through with what was said. I agree. Well the ad though says that we've got to the end of the month to submit. No no he's saying that. The committee is saying. I'm thinking as though we might not get really get going until we know we've got all the resumes. Well we our last meeting we said people should apply by this meeting. For the committee. For the committee. I mean even though the applications will be coming in through the end of the month. We're going to want to have a committee meeting. Probably by the third week of the month so that we can establish. You know. Exactly. What what are. How the structure is going to look this time. So right now I mean at least eight people. I think it's always good when anybody wants to volunteer to be on the board. I will tell you it was from being on it last time. It was really unique. Like it was. I've interviewed a lot of people before. But the town manager search was this really kind of a you know the first day you get. You know 34 of these applications and you're going through them at home and you're looking for. You know. Okay this one's most qualified. Put him in that pile. This one. I don't know. Put him over here for a little bit. You know. When you got done you had to. We had a homework assignment. We had to come up with 10. And two algements. You know. And then you sit in. You know. Then the committee sat together and we're all kind of like okay I like this person. And I like this one. And you would stop. You would have thought that there would be like you know. 10 people with everybody having different people. But at the end of the day it was really neat because. You know when we narrowed it to 10. I bet you everybody agreed exactly on eight or nine of them. And maybe there was like one person at them were like how about this one. Let me do this one. You know. And the. I will tell you that it was interesting the ones that were the most local. You know. At first we were getting like old town managers from different towns. You know. Around Vermont. And everybody had him as like one, two, three. You know. They were like the top ones. And then as we started to interview. You know they kind of fell out of the system. You know. And it was just kind of a neat process because you. You know you almost thought like on day one that off this one right here. You know. And. But it was neat process to go through in it. Surprisingly everybody that was there at the end pretty much agreed on. You know everybody down through so. I do appreciate everybody that put their name in to do it. Joanne. Joanne. And we had. Penny Griffith. It's not here tonight. And Jane. So, so everybody that put their name in I'm sure is. Jumping out the bed to get started. And then. The question that we received is. In the end. We'll make the final decision. Yeah. The entire. Yeah. So I left that out. So what the committee did last time is. The committee neared it down to two. Two individuals that we then brought to the select board and the select board then talked about the two individuals and recommended one. It so happened to be that the one that we recommended was the same one that they recommended. Now that could be different. I don't know. But that's the way it kind of went. And just something that I told them also. Because I think the last. Excuse me. The last two actually came to town. Yeah. Home for a personal tour. Yeah. And stuff. But in the end it's what will make the decision. So one of the questions was obviously employees were curious about putting someone on the committee. They kind of got to know. So not an employee on the committee. Yeah. But employee spouse is OK. And I guess. And then the other question is about that was if an employee can't be on the committee. I think that the employee whether it's all the departments or however you want to do it. Some of them released hoping that if they can have a representative that they could maybe give you some questions. You know you could ask each department maybe for a question that maybe the road department water department the office you know you could ask them. Don't use it but at least you know I think they at least want to feel part of the process. And maybe I think there's a question that the road department has that Pam and Kelly or who might not think. So I think there might be. I know last time like like what Paul was saying is when we near well at least last time when we near the down to the two individuals that came to the town to visit for the day they went to see you know they went to see the public works department to see water they went to the town office so they got to visit with those employees and we did get feedback from everybody on the discussions they had and they had ample time you know I think they went visit each spot for about an hour. Yeah. And then we had and we had lunch at a coffee house. So that was kind of how we got the employees last time. But it doesn't you know one thing we will have to do is go through the questions from last time and there can be always revisions to those questions because they're kind of basic questions. But so yeah we're more than happy to welcome any. I think certainly if you're going to do that then I think the fire department is just a big department as a town as any other department. So I do think that if you're taking someone on tour. I think we can't remember if we did the I don't think we did the fire department last time. I don't know why. If it was. It was a waste. What was that. We went down to solid waste. Oh sure. Yeah. The slated Gary they went to the dump but they didn't come see you. Yeah. Transfer station. Well I'm sure that can be something that the committee can look into. And so. So what's the thought on having evening meetings. Instead of a daytime. I don't know. I mean I. Our structural we probably could have and you know getting everybody together to see what we wanted to ask for questions. Why not have that in the evening. I mean these people all work during the day. Right. On your committee all work during the day anyway. So. I think right now would be the important thing is to. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. Let me chat with these folks and see what their availability is. I don't know what we have to dodge next week for the week of the 15th. I don't know what's going on for either committees or anything. If you call, we write it. Or if you stop by, Paul, because I just finished payroll so you can stop by anytime. There is on that calendar next to the coffee or near Memphis. The can is really good about writing. I know one day this week there is some things going on, but you can check. We've got a BCA meeting this week. Right, so you can check for next week. I will pre-warn it. August 9th, 17th, I mean, not on this date. We spoke on the date. Face time. Face time. Sounds good. All right. We've had 30 responses to the act. Without getting into any real details, I just assigned a number to each one of the folks that have applied so we can deal with numbers as opposed to dealing with names. But there's a range. I mean, they're from all different parts of the country, even though it's a regional ad. It's with Indeed, has put in 24 out of 30 applicants have come in through Indeed. Out of all those, there's probably five that had a cover letter. And they range in experience from tire changers to CEOs. If there's no cover letter, I'd reject them because I'm big on cover letters. That's how we jumped them last time. Some of the things we have to talk about, how we're going to do this, we're going to just, you know, how right not. I know in the ad we asked that all responsible to have a cover letter. I went on the Indeed site that does say right there, and there is an opportunity for them to put a cover letter in there. Oh yeah, absolutely. Yep. Some of them obviously did. So that's about where we're at. It seems like it's died down. We've only had a couple in the past. In the past few days. I don't know how many in the office. A little too many in the office. Okay. She only got applied for unemployment every so many weeks. All right. So there's one lady who applied on Saturday, and then she sent an email to Chris today. Yeah. Wanting to come down for an interview like today, tomorrow. And hand deliver her. I'm going to hand deliver her a cover letter and her references. So I'm going to contact her and explain the process to her. We'll be in touch with her. If and why we want to set up. She didn't read very good, did she? No. And I think the other one that had gotten that Kelly forwarded to Chris, I think she ended up telling that person an email, Greg's email, and so she forwarded, I mean, I looked at it, and it's Chris. Oh yeah. So, and I think Chris had told her to tell the person up, looked at the website basically. Right. I think that's what she said on that one. I don't know if it was any of that, but that was the only contact we had. Was that, and I appreciate you handing it over. And I know last time we talked about that, the process took us seven months last time. But we also went through the league last time, which there was, you know, there was a month or two of going back and forth of the league on preparing questions, you know, just things that this time we already have that should cut the search down, as well as I think last time we left it open for, it was well over a month before we started the process. So, I think the likelihood is that we probably ended up finding a candidate by the end of September within, so I don't think it will go as long as we intended. So, do we have anything else with the town manager search that we can cover? So we'll be looking to anybody that wanted to be it looks like it will be, and Paul will reach out to three individuals. And then we'll probably, probably to expect at some point next week to have a meeting to start the process of forming the committee. So, Paul will get back to us. All right, all right, Alan's up. We're within four minutes right now. How we did it? We're within four minutes. So Alan, today we were looking at, so last time, the last time we were, we started the discussion of the winter, you know, of a winter maintenance schedule with the public works. So, you know, public works had presented us with kind of a draft overview of doing winter maintenance activities. And it was also at that time that was brought to our attention formally that we have the issue of the one ton that has the crack frame. So we're down a truck and, you know, there was some initial interested, you know, possibility of purchasing a new vehicle. And the board had suggested at this time, you know, a couple of options for Alan and the public works employees to go back and look through which we had talked about, you know, what is the one ton worth on a trade value? What type of vehicle, you know, could we get by with, you know, would we have to make the big purchase now or could we get away with something smaller while we identify what we exactly need for the winter time? It was brought to our attention that if we do want to buy something for the winter time, you know, we do need to do that very soon to have any chance at that. So in our packets, there was some information here. So one option currently is a trade-in towards a new model or an up-sized model. So we'll be trading in our 5.50 towards a 7.50 with a more trading value of approximately $15,000 towards the new truck. The only thing I didn't have is do we have an estimate value of what that truck would be? No, the new truck. All of these were from the 7.50 to the international local file, which are the two that seem to be the ones that are available that are already built before winter times. Is that $15,000 with repair done for the refining? We have the repair done for the refining. It's game done. I wish you guys had the speed on that. I actually just took it and put it into a shop because we have to have something on it. We can't drive it. I've already seen the difference in my personal car. I want to get every day on these roads and as you well know, these roads are falling apart. With each rain that comes, we can't keep up. Pretty impressive. I've seen where on my personal, so what I did is I took it to White's fabrication and for $1,000, she's going to fix the train and we've also learned that with what he's seen and fixing, he's recommended that we have a put a plow on it to pull a leaf in the truck. I've never seen that. The crack is in front of the front axle where the headgear supports all the weeds. Luckily, it's not behind the axle. Maybe I'll have an engine with it. That's new because the fork will just know wings. Right. When I was looking at he started out with a plow and we had to keep him as one. Will that truck pass inspection by who you've got loading it? I don't know about that. There's only a certain field of state that will allow for inspection on it. I don't know about that. Yeah, I don't know. There's only a few places that the state will accept the loaded train for inspection. Oh, okay. Alright. It's not just any Joe loaded. Right. Good talk. I think, you know, so two things. Last time we were kind of faced with what can we use to get around with which, you know, we were talking about I think at that time, you know, obviously there was the option of buying something new which we were a little hesitant not knowing exactly what we were going to use or need it for above and beyond traveling. And then, you know, the other option that we had tasked them with was maybe looking for a used truck with a trade-in or, you know, that type of thing which obviously would be a lot more than $1,000. That's the $750 board. Here we have $15,000 trade-in going toward the F750 which is in the end is $96,000. You want $75,000. That's for the trade-in? That's for the plow? That's for the plow-link. The little profile international was $110,000, $650,000 no trade-in. Pull it quick. This is what you've seen us do on the bridge. You said that was plow-link. Plow-link. So I think there's a, you know, interesting thing here. The other part of this is whether it's the $750,000 international, the little profile and everything that came out today, you know, from Alan saying was what about the possibility of a 10-wheeler? Showtime basically does truck a six-wheeler, giving me that from my route, camera purchasing it in and just keep running no one time if it is inspectable. As a runner, I don't know if you can tell both stuff for the fuel rail issue. You could go two months ago or two years. And if the fuel rail goes, that's $15,000. $12,000. Which truck is that on? The one-time. The one-time that we're fixing? Yes. Yeah, because it fixes the frame. Fix the frame so that they can actually use it right now. Alan, what's the difference between the $750,000 and the $10,000 we are? What difference does that make? That truck is totally capable of doing it's not full of it, I've used it, the guys have used it to do my route. It's totally capable of when you're about to camp for it. The benefit would be we take on another big gum truck to build for hauling materials, stepping in winter, sand, or whatever. And when Doug goes to do, say, east bevel, he's not going over there in a six-wheeler with a small seven-yard truck. He's actually going over 14 yards and all that travels on. So it's more efficient. And price-wise, what's the $50,000 more for the $10,000? Yeah, just the difference in price. I haven't just brought that one until today, I don't know. I have to get some more. I know we're just talking about a vehicle trade option, but it wasn't one of the well, I think one of the concerns with the plowing routes was the size of the equipment that we have been using to plow one of the most aggressive roads that we have in town. Well, I learned a little bit just picking Morgan's brain and I guess the reason the one time it was originally because it was doing all these side streets and had to build a new road for every old highway. You know, one of the big trucks didn't do that. Now we have more than two of those and the one time it was kind of in between the guy who was taking the road to Duke and all the spots. Well, we're looking at, maybe I missed it, but when you were talking about moving trucks around, you know, Doug's truck to when we were talking about moving that around, I thought you said to plow the mountain road. Is that what you said? Is that... But is a six wheeler enough to plow the plow the mountain road, Doug? Is the six wheeler got enough power and rough enough to plow the mountain road? They used it up. I've used it most of the time. That's one time it's been broken down. They will shed the gas? No, I think just, you know, with the... Now it's not for the truck. We don't need four of these. Now the question is what equipment are we pushing back so we can purchase the three-day equipment? We don't know yet. We've grown a question back long. The gravy has been pushing back. Yeah, so we I need to look at the equipment schedule and I have not had a chance to do that. Alan, the road crew and I are going to meet this Thursday at 3.30 to see if there's any changes to our guidelines and the kind of the impression that I had was that the board was looking for the road department having unified kind of what we want for a piece of equipment. And so we're going to talk about that on Thursday so tomorrow on Thursday I need to look at the equipment schedule and talk to them about what's... because we did push the grater because Doug was purchased at the same time. I know Greg had given one of them an eight-year lifespan, one of nine years you know, to rotate them. So but with everybody there we can take a hard look at everything that they have and see if together we can you know, they work on the equipment. They can say, actually this is going to go sooner this won't, you know, and kind of look at that. But the other issue too has been the one time is you know, since there's not another vehicle available for people to use for whatever training or going to the trimetry in the night or this or that is, you know, the select board is going to need to consider whether or not you want to hang on to that one ton or do you want to trade the one ton towards the vehicle or something smaller because really people don't want to continue to use their personal vehicles. So I think you know, from what I see anyway it would be, you know, we did a simple, well I'm going to call it a simple fix you know, cost worthy fix on the one ton so that we have something that's travelable at this point. I think we pretty much intend to trade it for something, right? We just don't know exactly what that something is at this point. I mean are we... get the one ton back with the frame that will be a travelable vehicle that you can do pretty much anything except for a plow or whatever. Yeah, for the past inspection. Yeah, that's a question we should have. Okay, well we'll have more information at that point but but at the 22nd meeting that we have the public works department is prepared to talk about the complete winter maintenance schedule with suggestions on this is based upon our current fleet this is where our best usage for our equipment is so that we can minimize the least amount of maintenance cost and then you know, this is our suggestion is to whatever, buy a 750 or buy something smaller and trade the one ton. I was going to ask Ryan does the state ever come up with a question I don't know the answer does the state ever lease a vehicle like a truck or anything on the equipment? I know pipes at least put them like trucks. I mean there was a comment but they left something up there. So but does the state purchase their trucks outright or do you guys just do you have a problem with it? Oh, it's all state, so the state buys they buy it but one of the options that we had was to lease the vehicle for whatever, three or four years or something. At least a home, I think they call it. Of course, you never want to really own them after you lease a home, you know. I have no experience of that where we always purchase them so I guess it's a home call because you're right, I think you're leasing at your, at least a home is different you know, whether you're leasing and you're just paying for a portion and the buyout is horrendous so I was curious my big worry is if we keep pushing equipment back it'll be worth less and less by the time we get around to trade them in. Absolutely. I was going to buy this. You're right. Because the more they don't look at the truck they look at the hours. Together. What are we going to do? We still have a vehicle out for us? I do not. I have a police truck from the sanitation that's part of the assault and the out of the sun. It's packed in there, it's not closed in. But all the trucks and mortgage trucks and everything is under cover? Yes. Okay, so it's in now. But you add another 750 and you keep the one ton, now we have a vehicle outside. Sorry, I can't. He's asking if you have a vehicle outside you keep the one ton and buy something else a vehicle out for us. I don't think we're going to be able to keep the one ton and buy a new truck. I know. I'm just asking. I just don't want to see the greatest sitting down all alone again. Yeah. I would say we're probably going to be trading one for another, you know. So that's the plan for Thursday is to look at the maintenance schedule or the winter maintenance guidelines excuse me. Which you've all seen. So if you have any comments, feel free to share and then we're going to talk about this and bring the equipment schedule and be able to talk to these guys and maintain it and see what they think is really realistic and now we have prices and they'll make it. The other thing we've got is a whole list of laundry list of items that we updated on the existing trucks. Windshields, Marriott, Plow Blades, you know. Well, we're on next year's budget. But that's all the facts of what we started budget and that's all into, you know, this year's budget. Can we, I don't know what we do we retire those on a five-year cycle? Retire what? When we're talking our equipment plan. So we buy a $96,000 vehicle, are we retiring it in five years that our payment schedule is going to be on those? If we go above a certain is it five or six years it has to go to Vogue, right? I don't know that. So I think we stay at five, right? However, the plan is obviously hopefully that eventually you're saving enough money that you're either making a down payment or you're buying some outright so that you're not, you know, making a loan payment. But yes, you can do a five-year. So could we, I don't know, I'm just with the options that we get, could you just include in there for me what we think the estimated payment schedule per year would be for that? This all we can see if we add this much in equipment where we have to look to try to balance that, you know. This is the way I'm thinking about it. I'm not sure and you have money in the equipment committee in the Highway Equipment Fund too so you'll be able to look at that maybe there's an offset to this purchase. I mean, eventually, you know, something to roll along in the perfect world you put your trucks on up with, you know, a year rotation and whatever your tractor is in your grader and then each year as you, you know, you purchase either outright, grade to top, but at least we maybe have a payment on it and then, you know, that's the cycle. And can you also put on the equipment schedule? I know that we have it in our placeholders aware certain equipment needs to be replaced now, but can we actually put on there what the recommended retirement date of that piece should be? Even if right now we show it a year longer just so that we can make that comparison. I don't know what year it was in that perfect world of trading values because I know it was, you know, a couple of years ago they were pushed up back a little bit. I know, and it's you can't, yeah. What are we doing with the face tractor? I got that. We looked into doing the box plate for like months. We looked into trying to get a side mower for attachments. Can you buy that tractor because of your roadside mower? That's what I was going to say. It's not? Why? It's not set up, I hope. I guess. That was the original intent for that tractor anyways was to put a brush on it. Why did that highway have to build a big one? It's it in our shop. They took, they the first source of water departments did you buy it from the highway from the store? Right. I think that's are both the bays down there being used down the might be something just to look into, Teresa. Mortgage truck. Mortgage truck. Okay, so what's in the other bay? Because if it's open, you have to put it down there, you know. And off the look because I I don't know, we're just not sure. Right. So I mean the sultry tractor needs to go somewhere. So we need to go back there. I'm going to ask because Gregor has this discussion about the highway department purchasing the tractor. And I'm drawing a blank right now. We'll go back and look. But I'll ask him about that. So maybe he's taking the tractor back to the winner. I'll ask him. Who's out? Gregor? It's not. It's not. Only thing that's trying to take is a bush hauler on the back. It won't work to do the stuff that I'm down. Or so it would be good to put that end of the day constantly on that. Yeah, I can't remember if somebody told us it only takes a brush hauler. That's the one thing you said. That's the bush hauler. But the bush hauler is not going to do it to the good. It's for the sewer department. So we had a car that said it should go by the monster, but it's a local car. It was interested in this person being that guy. That belongs to the sewer department because that was bought by federal money when we put that sewer plant in. Exactly. So it belongs to the sewer department. It belongs to the sewer department. It's not for the sewer department. It's good to get rid of the sewer department. Yeah. All of us tell him about that. All of us tell him what he knows about if it can be the roadside more and if nobody's using it then you're right. You should sell it. Why not? Sorry, I'll ask. I'm going to tell him about it. I don't get that much points. It's a 30-some-odd-year-old tractor. Yeah. They're nice. They're nice. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's $110. It's alright. Don't worry about it. We sell it in white paint for some of the equipment that needs to be fixed. The money belongs to the sewer department. Yeah. Maybe we should start charging the rent. Yeah. It's a two-way street. Sorry, I'm going to find out. Now I don't know if the Moritz truck's going to pay with the shelving with all the work fittings. I don't know. So is everybody good at the next meeting? The information that we'll be getting from the public works and the decisions that will be taken. Any further discussion on that? Are we good? Yeah. I'm just going back to the one comment. We've got the street. That's all throughout town. I have an idea of the harvest level. I found out that we're back with my dog, baby. The next week we are going to be getting material life and have material to fill with them during the last couple of years. Can't work as a mess. I don't know exactly who's going to work on it. It's not attached. They're all pulling out. Shoulders, folders replacement up there. Do you have tarp? What do you have for tarps on the back of our trucks? Are they just open netted tarps? Are they closed tarp? Or is it the same? If you go get some hot mix or have someone deliver some hot mix, you know, I'll go out and break it. If you get a roller, or I have a roller, break it roller, it could be done in... No, I'm talking about a hollow camcorder. Oh, I was talking about a hollow camcorder. I was talking about a hollow camcorder. Yeah, so the... I can answer that. So I had a pre-bid paving pre-bid today, meeting her camcorders. We have one person came and we've done so fast. Obviously, if you have 180 days from the day of the event to stay within the state paying 100%, if you get out of that, we're looking at 10%. So the end date for that would be October. If you calculated 180 days from April 15, so you're probably looking at that. So Camp Brook is not going to be done until then. And if his contractor, they said that they would let us know that they're not on the bid. I'm not sure what happens then. We'll have to talk about temporary paving, etc. But basically, it's yours to maintain, I think, until... As soon as you do that, remember that the guys, if they keep track of the hours of material, that will all go under that date. But unfortunately, best case scenario, beginning of October probably. I'm sorry. Still looking for someone to oversee the fee more. I have several people. I'm waiting for a callback from Dave Hilderdale, and then my next on the list is a gentleman named Dan Bertel. He's in the air coming. He works in the state. Well, listen, I've been turned down. We'll ask anyway, so... I think he's a finance engineer or something, doesn't he? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, there he is now. So... Yeah, feel free. Anybody that wants to grab my hat, you can run with it. So we're still looking for... What's entailed to it? What's entailed to it? Well, right now, it's like... Right now, it's going and laying everything out for the contractors. So... So, like, for the first one that I spent many hours out there, both locating the work, putting the beginning and end marks for everything. Did Greg have that all on? There's just stakes out there. There's just numbered stakes out there, so everything's laid out. Updated quantities, because some of the quantities aren't exactly where... So everything's been updated to get to the point where the contractors can do the work and someone doesn't have to be there babysitting them all day long. So it took a little bit of pre-work and then now it's like... There's a lot of areas that I saw when I drove around getting the GPS's that should have been marked to start with. I mean, they're worse than some of the areas that were flying. Well, I think there's some areas that have happened since then, too. Or some areas that were part of FEMA that have started to grow a little bit because of these other ones. Water erosion? I guess ideally for me, if we can't find somebody, I have no problem continuing to help get out in front of it, stake the scope of work that should be out there. Do the prep work if someone wants to check in once a day with the contractor. I mean, it's pretty dummy-proof at this point. I mean, there's literally starting stops with stone ditching where... I'll line the pipe out. I've done all that. Yeah, I will. I'll do the dumb work. It exists really now. It's because you're not saying people take advantage of you, but if someone's not watching it daily, I guess the thing right now is we have Rogers, and then tonight we're going to talk about the other two-bit results, which one is the company we're working with, and the other company, so probably what's going to happen now is there's going to be two things going on at the same time, so it's going to get really... Rogers has already started his section, right? So somebody needs to go look at him once and for all? I did today. Okay. Let me just talk to him tomorrow. And I'm hoping next week, with the Bar Grader, we'll start pulling in some part back from our lease, because that's going to be the next step, is we have somebody who's like, whatever, we'll just start at Lilyville Road that we're going to be doing with the FEMA work, FEMA money, but there are other areas on that road that need to be addressed as well. Every road has problems right now. In some cases, if we don't identify that in the work that we're doing for the FEMA work, we get jeopardized. Because FEMA only, the thing is that it's the same with the contractors, is FEMA only pays for exactly what is broken. They don't pay for anything that we may need to do to fix what's broken, you know? So it's difficult. Next meeting, we'll move the tables that way. Well, they were already set up, so we weren't reinventing the wheel today, so we worked out. So just get into if we don't have anything else on the vehicle. We have a cell phone number, I'll make sure I get it from home. So you guys have been great. So getting into that, we had so the only the only bid that didn't have a fancy Southwest or East Quadrant bid name to it. We started that one today, which is the Lilyville, Campbell, Whittier piece. So I've been told that Lilyville, Whittier will probably be mostly completed by the end of this week. Might spill a little bit next week and then we'll be going to Campbell at some point next week to start that. So taking like two to two and a half weeks to get that all done. Which is one of the larger contracts that we have so far. And then tonight we have there's been two other bids that have happened since then. One that got open today. The other one that was in our packet that got open last week maybe. I left you all the results of the one today. I left them at your spots. And the other stuff you had was something that Dave, Eddie had requested which is all the materials list. You can see it by points. Line up to little circle points on the map so if you're curious as to what goes with what bid, that goes to your answers. So I have a question about that. Okay. On the East Quadrant Yeah. 0.9 and 10. Who fixed that already? Who fixed it? Yeah. It could have been. It could have been something that was temporary. It was an asthma or something I was told. It was a bulk but good speaking. Well then the good news is when Chris goes out to go out and look at that word what we found was that maybe if there's some changes that might free us up for Chris to be able to say okay here's this was in the big price. I was wondering because that's right on the Bethel Randolph lawn. Randolph said we did it. Maybe they did it. That would be good to give Chris a little wiggle room so if he saw something else he would have that. I mean there are some areas that have been Arnold wrote. Some things that have been addressed during the emergency period which was the first 30 days. This was broken last week. And then there there are other things that and like I said it's ever changing. Is that on the Arnold Road Dave? Okay. That still flagged prediction down through there. When Doug radioed he filled in that wash out that nobody caught back in April. Oh okay. It'll be. I took him over for a few minutes and when I came back through it was gone. And then that's what I've been doing on the first section was identifying there were some areas that maybe we didn't need to do or there's some areas that got extended so that's kind of what we've been right now. So we did have the one that did last week was the Southwest Quadrant areas for anybody that doesn't know exactly what the Southwest is is kind of the kind of the same area of what the work's going on right now. So it's Ringe Thayer, Woodland Brink Dunham Road. So kind of focus on to the one that has been done now and the low bidder for that one was again who is on the Louisville section currently and the low bid amount was 63,975 dollars. And if you want I can read the other ones into record if you want to do that Lisa when we read the rest of the bid results. If you want them in. So that was the low bid second bid was K&S construction and that one was 85,000 even. 63,975 dollars. And then the third bidder was Du Bois construction and their amount was 91,067 dollars and 50 cents and the fourth bidder was Nautz Escavating and OTT and that one was 117,050 dollars. Or the 1715. Yep. And then the final bidder was Blue Mountain Trucking and their bid amount was 124,475 dollars. So the low bidder was the WB Rogers who's in that area started working already. So I would entertain a motion unless anybody objects to the bid to entertain a motion to accept the bid from WB Rogers 63,975 dollars to do the Southwest Quadrant Theme I mean that's why I could sign that contract. Sure. It could be signed by trees. So moved. Second. Second by Linley, all in favor? I have. Okay, I have it. Are there time frames attached to these? There are, yes I don't have them but there are and they're kind of staggered a little bit. Each bid is off by maybe two weeks. You know, it's kind of staggered. You know, putting a lot into the WB Rogers. Well I think the one that's going on right now is going to get done by in July. And he actually chose not to bid on the Southwest Quadrant because he'd got the first two bids No, he didn't bid on the East one. I mean bid on the East one because he'd got the first one and this one and so he chose not to bid on the East Quadrant specifically because of that reason and he wants to bid on it later. And I believe the Southwest one has a date of like second week in August or something like that. I can't remember. And then the East Quadrant which for anybody that wants to know the East Quadrant is North Main, Bridge, Sanders, Christian Hill, should we go up to Christian Hill? I don't care. Take that one off. Christian Hill, Iron Road, I think I got them all. Nothing on there. So we had that bid today. DR, and the amount on that is 103,000 $373 and then there's some other bidders here. So the second bidder was Dubois Construction with a bid amount of 118,000 $615 and third bidder was K&S Construction and I believe there are whole numbers. 140,000 even. I'll mess around. Is that right? The other one. And then Blue Mountain trucking $144,726 and then Max Trucking and Escaping MAK K&S That was 186,537 $08 186,537 And that's Max Trucking and Escaping? Yep. And then the last one was Avery Escaping and that was $212,602 Okay. So the apparent low was DR McCullough Escaping and this is for the East Quadrant. So I would entertain a motion while someone objects to the little bidder of using DR McCullough Escaping and the amount of 103,373 dollars. And Theresa Love signed the contract. And Theresa Love signed the contract. So move. Second. I'll let it be. I'll let it be. I'll let it be. Just got to be give and take. This is how a board works. I don't know just I got the information but if the board hasn't maybe Theresa update the board with gave me that helpful one of all the dates completion dates and I know Mo is going to know it really soon. He's going to be out there every day. Oh you mean as far as the schedule that gave you the bid? Yeah I mean we probably don't need the bid. It was in their last packet. Maybe if now we can just update it with this is the person doing the work and this one needs to be done by or something. Okay. We can all state all right. Up to date with that. Anybody have any questions with any of the FEMA work? So Theresa has we have one more we have one more gravel bid that's out currently. Yep. We have the camp Brooke. That's done. That went out or had the pre-bid today. Yep. That the bids are due towards the end of the month. Yeah everything is due. Anything that I did the pre-bid at 9.30 was 10 o'clock was caught on a lost track. That was at 10. Yeah that was 10 and then camp Brooke was at 11. So all of those are due the Friday is like the 19th you have to have questions to be by then awarded on the 22nd. The next select committee will do Nell Bridge, the paving contract in the northwest and the northwest. So then the only thing left is the Peabind. Peabind piece in which I'm waiting for because I need the river engineer to let me know if he's going to engineer the proper upsize. We also sent him, Chris Bumper and I sent the same guy two possibilities to afford the bank the bank work and stabilization. And I haven't heard from back about those two things and as well as there's some work like material that needs to maybe go down by the pump station after the mills and now we think that maybe what got missed was the road to one of the reservoirs. So this last bill will be a catch-all. Do we have a time when we have to have all of our FEMA work bid by? Or is it just completed? Yeah, not that I'm aware of it and we would be well along the process if the river engineer would just get back to us because I'm kind of stuck in a holding pattern because if we have to engineer that culvert then I'm going to have two rivers include that in the bid for the permanent bridge engineer. It'll be like a scientist type thing. But I just need an answer to that. So that's where we're stuck with that right now. I did get a email today and I actually CC you wanted Chris. I have next Tuesday at like 8.30 I have a half an hour FEMA people to let them know where we stand and start all that work. Give them the most number. He's got a cell phone. I'm going to talk to him. I'll give you the number before I get it. So we'll let you know. We'll update the Facebook page. That's right. So that's where I'll be. Just to close pictures. You need anything called this guy? So that's what we're going to do. Okay, perfect. Anything else with regards to the FEMA work? Pretty good. Residents at 459 Sugar Hill Road anyone that doesn't know the history of that piece we started that state. Would the state like it? The town had acquired that piece of property through tax sale. Probably three years ago. And then we we've had an individual that has been living there ever since then. We had tasked Greg with starting the process on getting the person back up. First we went back to the individual a year or so ago about wanting to acquire the property back pay the back taxes on it. They wanted to get a mortgage and that deferred it. There's nothing there. There's been really no response on it. And we're paying insurance on that because it's ours. So we have acquired the property that we have a liability of somebody living in there that last I checked living conditions weren't there. And they're there. So the next step the next step is to start the eviction process which from what I understand with the state of Vermont is to have our lawyer draft the eviction proposal to get signed by a judge and then to get delivered. There's a little time in mind too with that so we just want to make sure that was one thing I was going to ask the lawyer to lay out for me is there's a specific time frame in Vermont if you don't want to hear it you're going to start over again. I'm going to leave that. So basically all I was looking for was just a motion to authorize me to move forward with this eviction process. Second. Okay. All in favor? All right. Only got back in there. Follow us. Mo's been over here training me. I'm going to take over Mo's soon. Mo's usually leading the motions. So, all right. Any further discussion on that one? Good. And then we had the zoning administrator slash assisted zoning administrator appointments being that, you know, Therese right now is serving in the interim capacity, the town manager I guess on my end that you are a zoning administrator because you are a certain function. You still, in order to adhere to the law which is the 24 BSA 4448 even if you hire someone. They still have their appointments. The only reason I want to get done was A, because it's the right way to do it and B, because if we had ever had anything pending and, you know, we would not have zoning application they took us to the environment for it then Kelly and I need proof that we were you know, that we were there legitimately and not about to get thrown out. So would you two with the planning commission? Yeah, they would point out that they, there's something in your packet that said they were, they basically, they nominated us and this like work has to improve that nomination. Do they have the ability to do that right now? The PC? Yeah. I don't even think they have enough people to move an item right now. Well I asked Andrew to do it. You can see our correspondence I think they really did a bylaw so there's a form of people there. Well, I guess the form would be too because I think there's only two of them right now. Oh they're looking for planning commissions of the film. Yeah, Brad had gotten done, I don't know. It's a wonderful job. Two months ago or something. That might be may want to circle the wagons on sending out another advertisement or anybody wants to be part of the planning commission there. So we will need a motion to not only appoint Therese as the zoning administrator but also to have Kelly Hill be appointed as the assistant zoning administration and through the appointments there wouldn't be any, you know, additional monetary value to that. Kelly already does a lot of the zoning and did it for Greg now. So her night, you know, she does most of it and then she walks up out and he's covered when Greg's out. Yeah, somewhere he had it. So she knows it and we just want to have her base I don't know where I put the piece of paper but What does it go for? Oh you had the language on there but Oh yeah, oh it's ready. So we'll just, yeah, report to more of the essay. Come on, Lindley. Oh, make it! You make it? You're stealing your time. Get an Elmer. He was! Was that David? Second. All right, Lindley. Lindley's on the second. All right. All in favor? Yeah, we have the Vermont State Evolving Fund This is our yearly signature This is the new thing. Oh no, that's the new one. Wayne Elliott was here. This is the Vermont Bank. So I pulled out what you would need to sign. Some of them you'll see require just Chris's signature and some will require everybody's signature. Twenty-three, paragraph seventeen here. I'll make sure I understand. So the title of the piece is the contractor and the title has to apply for this person. Right. Which is kind of what he talked about. And what Wayne was talking to you guys about when he was here. So yes, basically. So that's the long ass deal first. And I think the full loan is for 146,200. Yeah, that's what we've done all along. Is we have paid and then we request There's the money coming. Or because it's going to come in and out this year. So we don't I had no idea about this or how much it was But it was going to come in and out. We'll see a revenue for it and we'll see an expense for it. Right. Maybe I don't understand. Where does the revenue come from? I mean there's a timeline obviously. Right. Actually they're pretty quick about it. Once we get it and then we're able to you know, and actually Elevators are very good about it too. So So that So they will, so they're all really good about it. They know what their turnaround time is. So yeah, we end up, they hold the bag for it until we get our money back. Is there any short term I guess short term development associated with kind of like school or something like that? No, I don't have a town law to act on anticipation though because if they were and you know we pay their bills so if they were short No, because we pay all their bills. So So no, I'm not anticipating it being a problem. I mean in the past they actually have been really good about it. They know our issues and we pay it and just give a copy of invoice in the check and actually they're pretty quick. I'm not going to be surprised. Is that a big short term only in one way or another? Yeah, no, it's not bad either the amount and no they're actually very good about it. They'll do a ACH so they'll actually transfer it right into the bank for us so we can get our money to count. Do we have any questions with regards to it? So we'll be in motion. Yeah, at least so. Is there anything you have to sign on there? Are you sort of ready? Me, it's all one of you guys know and Pan has to sign some but so for this is so for this is Vermont municipal bond bank for $146,200 zero percent interest over five years. Right, there is a so it goes from the August 1st, 2024 for the first payment to August 1st, 2020 so we're getting the work done and then what will end up happening most likely is this will get rolled into the bigger bond. So you want to date someone sure? I think really you're just looking for in this case maybe at least just because it's odd that the payment isn't going to start until 2024 because it was at the maturity date. 8-1-2024 Do you have 2024-2-8-1-2028? Do you have to revert to the municipal bond bank? They're going to have to make a motion to authorize the board to sign the terms I would say to sign the general obligation note. Move to allow the board to sign the general obligation note. Okay, all in favor? All right. We'll get you trained up. Here's all of the pieces of paper that put them together. Some of them is this person, some of them are all you guys so you can put them all. So you add the motion and you should tuck in all the details of if I can. So if I say motion to approve the municipal bond bank 146, 0% interest over five years and to sign the general obligation note. That's not my question. Okay, everything in there. It looks like because we're we're not breaking the threshold that they have so there's no additional audit requirements or anything. Instead if you go above $750,000 then you have to do a federal audit. In one year. So, which is actually when you can get your subversive being ran for ran paperwork which we just got and I call the gentlemen today because they included in it all five million dollars from Irene. So I call the gentlemen after message and say we did a single audit. That is another like up to 10 grand. We did a single audit after Irene. So maybe you received our 3% money but we didn't get all five million and this is around. I'm hoping that God could consider another amount of money to do a second. I wouldn't think they'd make us do a consideration after Irene. I call it because name is John Fecker. Yeah, I was reading that. Yeah, so that's basically totaling all the rewards in one year. Taking the consideration where we're setting the budget for any, you know, large projects like water or something if we're going to have to, like right now we have $20,000 that we're paying for audits for the next three years but there might be some additional audit expenses because of that money that we've loved them. It's going to get a bunch of grant money. Right, we'll have to. Because this is the grant, that's what it is. Right, okay. Well, remember with the water there's the potential of the large grant money. So when we're budgeting, we may want to add some in there for that. Okay, right. And hopefully, Cherise, is this a loan for the municipal bond bank? It's a loan. It's a 0% interest loan. I just want to make sure I have them, right? Yeah. But it will end up kind of all going into the bond when we do it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like... We're just kind of lining our ducks up, you know. Any further discussion on that? And we had some facility use policy amendments. Yeah, so you can see in there that Kelly was able to use policy under the hours of use she played out the addition of no overnight person to camping. This is due to the issues we've had online and possibly somewhere where we tried to print out a spark. So we did, if possible, did use the law as it did the old policy to tell you the hours of... It did say she passed. It says it's only usable from 6 a.m. to 9 a.m. That kind of makes it so that camping is not allowed. But we had to really talk about overnight car. She was just thinking if you would like to cover our bases. I guess there's a little confusion there with using the facility and parking. I guess just how you look at it is most people would say using the facility would be the van shell or the Ego or doing things around where we have some individuals that are parking vehicles and staying for large periods of time. Well, it's actually a prohibition. She just put out her hours of use so you can see where it says no overnight parking or anything. So it's the second page, the vision. This one here. Is it possible? I'm sorry, what was the question? Is it possible to format what we got in the packet to be closer to what was here before? This kind of runs I mean, it's not really format. What is? The new one. Run-ons, addresses and stuff all run-on. It's not really if it could format it more like the old one, more readable. Why? Because the new one, for example, things just kind of run-on through it. It's not set up like this one here. This was the original one. This is the new one. Okay. Okay. About a third of the way down is there's Bethel Tom Hall, the address there, Bethel, Vermont, and then the 2S. What's the 2S? I mean, it just kind of kind of runs together. This is I think a little more readable. Okay. So you want to reformat it or do you guys want to add it to next week's or next time's agenda? Is that actually a prohibition about knowing what my parking is as opposed to probably the use? She just put it in. Yeah, I don't know. I'm getting it. Is that guy still parking over here? I don't know. There's been a couple different people. I've seen them when I go to the office. There was kind of one more long-term resident and then there was recently a shorter-term person that we had down there. I mean, I see Paul's point and one thing, when putting together policies that often policies do have to be written in a more formal format, but then just paragraph-based, but I mean, if we want to bring it back before the board and I think we're covered technically anyways. You are. It's not like if we don't act on it tonight that Oscar can't do his job. No, no. I think we're covered. Do we need to get any new signage to put down there that might be clearer? I don't know what it says now. There's one sign there. It's dark. You're not here. I think the Oscar said that when he said that. Last time it was there was a sign. It was left here after 9 p.m. would be pushed into the river. Perfect. So we seem to be all for this reformat it and send it back. Oh, I didn't see it. I'm sure it is. I haven't had it as my guess. Just stealing Linley's thunder to be able to make a motion. See what he did there? That was clever. It's a person. All right. And we had the select did anybody else have anything else in regards to the facility use policy? And the select board meeting minutes from June 24th. Anybody have any issues with those? Not with the minutes but I want to follow a couple of the items that were in the minute. Okay. But not with the minutes. The only thing I thought is that somehow I thought I missed a page or something. It seemed like I had one page that was missing in mind. Yeah. But when I was reading through it it went from one page into the next one and I was like I think I missed something here. Maybe there's a double slide there. Maybe. Oh, yeah. Maybe we are missing. See? You guys thought I was crazy. I was reading and I was like they only scanned one side of it. You guys didn't scan the other side. Because I was reading through it and I'm like, man, we just missed something here. We went from one topic to the next. I don't have a problem. Maybe I lose my mind. Scan it one side. Okay, so do you want to just put these off to the next meeting so you all can read them? Yeah. You didn't bring the book anyways. You didn't bring the book anyways. Okay, it wasn't in the bag. It didn't come. So do you want to add it to the next because you know I mean Yeah, we'll just approve them at the next meeting. I thought I had I was reading it. I was going along and then also I was like we just missed a bunch of stuff. So you can ask your question. How I feel about it. There's two gals that were at the last meeting. Michelle tackered with that and Lisa Dogara. Both very happy. I went out the next day. I went to see Lisa. They so whatever the situation was he looked it out with her. I had an emergency vehicle over there. He agreed with her. Another heavy rain. They took some material into care of it. They rolled pieces and it's very thankful. So Do you want to just I know you had it in communications to us, but do you want to just talk briefly about the Calgary trust? Oh, yeah. Was that your other question? No, well just Lisa and Michelle. They're both dealt with. So so as far as yes, that was on the list of items and I did speak to I'd spoken to Carol Hetchum. He called probate court and said you know we cannot change the quest without incurring legal fees. And we're just kind of what he and I thought anyways, but he was Carol was kind enough to take time to call for a while. How would you like to call Jack Calgary? He said I'm happy. You know this is the quest. This is the way that it is. You know, you're preparing, you know, they said the terms and we had so much money per year that we could use and with interest rates being what they are, not what it used to be. So I realized that you would like to see some work done in the memorial. Obviously camp road has been built up. That's just the way of it. So the memorial has lowered in and I think now it's filled with gravel and you know, I'm not really sure what the answer is. It's a memorial where he's going to be willing to come in and put some material in it to build it up to where he would like it or what, but with the stipend that we're allowed into the quest, it's not online. So that might circle back around here at some point. We'll see how it but Jack was fine. So with Mr. What's the Carol Hetchum? Anything else in regards to the meeting minutes of time? Can only quiz this on pages one, three or five. Paul could read off two and four. But, okay. And then we had the, you know, the select board outstanding issue list which you know, we probably need to, if we haven't put our input in, need to start what we'd like to see back on there. So one of the questions is that I had so what I did was I put a line through the stuff that you dealt with. I know Paul was the one who was curious about the parking permit program so there was a question about doing a speed study on Main Street with the fall bouts installed so Mike I was curious about that. Bad of a round or something you actually wanted to ask two years to do. Every year they give us the ability to do I think up to three roads or something that we should ask when we was here but it's either two or three roads that we get for free well not for free but part of our membership and last year we did the village right? We did the village and and then we did We did it while they were installed I believe I don't know I don't know maybe they would know I almost wanted to think that they did one while they were installed and then after. I remember them it occurred I don't remember I guess why what are you doing on that track what's the goal here? We did one last year because surprisingly surprisingly it didn't go in the way we thought it would because the idea was to take the speed from 25 down to I think what under 20 was the required speed to get the decibel level down to 60 or whatever below 60 which one would have thought that with the bulb outs in it because they are so intrusive to the road and they narrow the road in so much which they don't but they keep sending me messages on that that things would slow down the decibel level would come down and we found that actually the speed was just the same if not slightly higher so I don't know maybe that's so they could run them over I don't know You know curiosity would be a maybe maybe you know this because your downtown is a designated village district state of mind I wonder if that would allow you guys power to lower your speed limit just in a specific area I'm not familiar with I think the speed study was part of that this is we're going that way so I'm not 100% sure on this but I think the intention of the speed study was to do that one of the risks of the speed study was if they find that people are actually going 30 or 35 the state to increase I don't think it was up high enough that they would increase it but I also think there was not a call or a big drive for decrease could we push on that? I was just curious if you knew if that was part of your it was not part of the powers it needed to be a designated downtown I have experience with that we could not lower our speed limit because they wanted to lower it I don't know if we have separate special powers as a designated village versus perhaps not but I guess it's something that I can't remember if we did or if we were waiting to get the information to then present that I wasn't sure because there was no one that was gravel road so I didn't know if you was your goal to lower the speed limits on your gravel roads because that's a slow free slope too we had Joanne Woods at the same time she had some speeding issues slash some lack of signage on her road and we had another road or two that we could use and we did a speed study on her gravel road as well so then these don't need to be on your board items that we can take these off? No but I mean every year we can do do some based on our membership so yeah you just have to be careful when are they? I don't know when they're going out oh yes they were and I asked that question I said hey when you were down there was a painton did you put the bulb outs in and he said no they didn't have time well I know the bulb out the bank was doing their thing so that was the reason why they don't want to do that is the crosswalk painted by I believe that they're all painted he said they're all done yeah they just they went back yeah because when they initially started they didn't do the one at the hardware store and the one by the press both got done on the last week maybe but we probably ought to get them in I know there's people that like them people that don't we will make the decision on those things for next year I'm going to go down there and measure them just to show everybody that the road did not change the dimension of the road did not change at all so in the short term so I'm not going to worry about getting nice feet studies on that and it sounds like honestly if people are speaking back road signage sure enforcement that's really I think right now if people are complaining then just let us know and we can give Oscar some road to these kids I don't think they're speaking much right there I can imagine probably down there yeah no doubt so sorry I just wasn't sure Cherry Hill Cemetery is on this list well the other thing about Cherry Hill Cemetery we got the drainage issue but there was also I've been talking to Greg we were looking at some point in time at trying to plug in some money for a wall repair um I'll do 100 again right I know that Median called today was that the one on it's the same cemetery yes she called today asked if I was aware of it I said I was not but I would speak to Cecil Greg didn't mention that to me so there's no money to budget for that Greg were given a bid to Keith back in the day back in the day and it never never got off the ground so I talked to Greg and I asked him if he had a copy of it to resubmit it or look at it again and get it to Greg so we just have some kind of idea is there any grant money out there what happened so did he find it no so he could never find it so he could get a bid get an estimate for it so we could put it in the next budget yeah just see are we going to fix all the stones in the cemetery again no he's talking about like is it a retaining wall I know what he's talking about but is people stones that are have fallen every ground yeah that's right yeah it's a little wild I just wonder you know with all the different grants out there I wonder if there's some sort of grant that we can take advantage of that might deal with some of the public cemeteries I know that's a good question we could look, I've never seen one myself but I had he did have a couple older ones cemeteries where the stones had broke and the gentleman really kind of stood the back up and was using a big bar you know if you're going to try capital fundraising for a capital project a lot of times people you may find that but I can't but is the town responsible is the town responsible for head stones that fall over is that part of that's what I buy my lot I get perpetual care but does that you know that's only but I can't set it town person has to set it you know what we'll have to look I know when I maintenance being mowing etc so whether it's stone repair I don't know but there's a book at the secretary of state's office that they had written a few years ago yeah this commission look at that no kidding that's great information right oh that's so it's in our homeowner you can't come done it you can't come done it yeah you like that where is that oh that's great oh that's true thank you so when we were talking about the you know updating our outstanding issues list one that we had started and we were starting to gain some traction on that was a goal of Greg's this year was to work on the capital buildings fund piece which was more on the public works building so that was kind of one that I had thought of it's on this list in your packet alternate locations and capital buildings but yeah I'd like to see a capital planned on for the public works yeah that and obviously the water infrastructure piece those are kind of the big things that come to mind for me that we just got to keep our figure on that boat you know what I wondered Chris is if you I was thinking after I put your list together here on the industry building I'm curious as to that's in your do I've read all of your zoning ordinance but for future if it's not already in your zoning ordinance it'd be something that you would want to make sure that in your future zoning is to make sure that any buildings manage their own storm water runoff well I know we had we had talked about that while we talked about the ice buildup this winter on one specific building out there that and it just so happens to be the exact same thing you can see on the sidewalk where it's wearing the site we had talked about that the winner because that was pretty icy dangerous section of sidewalk last year and the more salt you put on it the worse it got so it was you know so yeah that as well there is a few things I just wanted to bring up from I've been doing a lot of walking around with the kids and stuff and a few things I think that we one has to be addressed like before winter and the other one probably should be addressed by winter but there's a piece of sidewalk out here by the lamppost you know it's right on the corner of the first building here yeah and there's probably got to be a six six inch gap between one piece of sidewalk and the other one so if you were handicapped you would have you know and you can see there's something there's a void happening there because the light pole is starting the tip towards the river and the sidewalk is sunk down so that's right out here by the town hall yeah right across right on the corner of the building and then for whatever reason we have a section of sidewalk that is as you go up church street it's like two houses up from the church on the left that has tinted and it's raised up by probably a foot now over the curb I don't know if there was water that got in there last year in the winter time but it yeah you know what I'm talking about there's like three pieces of sidewalk that's all tinted like this yeah yeah it's pretty well damaged and it's in the same area of it being well it is a hazard but at the same time it's going to create challenges for this winter so and that might be something that we may have to just get a price from somebody to fix the five foot sections of the sidewalk that have to be replaced and then this so they're all five foot I think they're in five foot sections I think that's what they use to have math they need to know that they need to fix the problem don't just dig the very outer part we need some more concrete well the other thing I was looking at because these sidewalks were done six years ago maybe much longer and the wear and tear on these sidewalks that are happening right now I mean we'll be lucky to get 10 or 12 years out of these sidewalks that you should probably be able to get 20 or 25 years out of now I do see some areas that are probably the workmanship of whoever did it but the other thing I question is how we're plowing those sidewalks in the wintertime because there's a lot of areas that are starting to spoil that are clearly from some sort of down pressure plowing or something don't you use salt on your sidewalks do you use salt? we do but every one of these is happening right at the joint of the sidewalk each joint of the sidewalk there's probably a two to four inch piece where you can see where scrap marks I mean hard I don't know if that's maybe we need to make sure one that the plows up and maybe we just let the salt take care of a little bit more on the sidewalks but there's a lot of wear and tear on that sidewalk all the way through there and that sidewalk was you know should be brand new still happened when they put the bridge in because they put a new streetlight in they dug back here almost under the sidewalk under that footing for there to put a new light over there I've complained about that light being crooked it's moving the sidewalk has dropped I don't remember the sidewalk being like that last year so that something's going on there well and keep in mind too that I reported this year but I know last year they get a thousand bucks I don't know it might be something to just something to keep in mind that next year if we're thinking of just replacing it that we budget for it I mean right like maybe we should get some sort of reminder out there well don't you do you have it in your parking ordinance that you can't be on the sidewalk I don't know we'd have to let them I'll have Kelly look because yeah we can be that one clearly that one on the one on church street we're gonna have to do something with it because it's I mean it's it's pretty awful all right we'll find out what you're I was thinking the same thing that maybe the homeowner rated Jason to that had some thing to do with it but can't prove that now and then this one out here I don't think has to it should get done I don't think it has to but if you were in a wheelchair you'd be very challenging them go from one to the other and I don't know how they plow in the wintertime if it's been like that because it's literally a straw and a move more and towards the river so we'll see your parking I'm assuming you have parking ordinance on the left so we'll follow and see and then if not add parking ordinance to your list of things to do I have a question I probably should come up during the public comment but parking between along the map and Richardson building probably during the winter something somebody's done a really nice job cleaning up in front of that park but it's hard to clean past the picnic table because that tree is there I don't know if we can go in and just change saw it up or at least the park that's in the park I can have more that would make it easier to make it look nicer even with the front cleaned up it still looks a little ramshackle I just have a question are you guys Ryan Rice he's sent you letters he's sent you bills all of them included in your package and now you've got another letter which I I don't know I mean I don't know I saw this letter and I think I remember seeing some sort of there was a bill and a prior correspondence at other time I don't think do you remember that mom we're talking about oh sorry it's um the Brian Wright pretty sure that I had Kelly put a copy of that bill that he had received in a prior packet I don't remember seeing that you guys don't remember seeing that now this was the first letter that I read on it we're going to start getting more of these people taking care of that rose and taking care of we're going to get a lot of these it was a hundred and some odd dollars this morning so it was a hundred and some odd dollars and now obviously you can see I had not read this dissertation but I'm just seeing it now so um so I'm not sure he obviously had some interaction with Greg and he is wondering if he's going to get paid for the work I think that the road crew felt that they had done the work so I'm not sure I drove by while he was doing it so I will vouch for the fact that Brian did the work because I was working up there and I came down by and he was there and then what's happening is he just dropped his blade down and drove some stuff right up on the people's lawn and whatever he don't care so he didn't end up with a burn maybe he can talk to from winter plow when we came down Michelle Packard's road he says go down to my rental house and turn around and come back but they wouldn't they just swung wide and went right down to the road right onto his plan and plow down so I mean it's a hundred and some odd dollars I mean in my experience generally if you're going to tear up someone's lawn you would go back in the spring and and deal with it if we had it was a big deal it wasn't a big issue in this case and he took his time I mean I I lived in three towns of course this town here the state messes up my land so it's not the town but the mailbox is still there so we're good but we have to be very careful because if we I mean shame on us if we do damage someone's property we should go out there on good faith and fix it and it might not be completely perfect but we got to make the effort but I think we have to be very careful again set in the precedence of paying people because if we pay one we're going to have to pay a lot of other people so I mean I think you know in this case here I mean this was the first that I have heard of this instant but I mean even though it's a hundred bucks a hundred dollars turns into two thousand dollars it turns into ten thousand dollars you know I think what Brian's looking for is just somebody to pay attention to his situation and come out and talk to him about it that he doesn't feel that he got satisfaction from Greg or Alan his brother doesn't either but we got a he has to have a milk truck under his side he has to have a milk truck under there every day you've got a disk deep in this table and then what do you need to put on a FEMA project and Greg said that Alan and Greg said there's no take A left for that in the middle eight and he's never seen it again in the middle eight and he's still got a milk truck coming in there every day when we table that and at our next session we'll set up a executive session we can talk about some of the maintenance of the roads okay and I will reach out to um I'll reach out and just let him know that I think in this case if Alan went out and just you know went and spent a few minutes with the gentlemen you know it might go a long ways and but there's a lot of things happening out in the roads right now there's some areas that are being neglected and then there are some areas that I've been on two of the roads recently that landowners have taken upon themselves to mark new boundaries putting like large stones in the road so that aren't supposed to be there so that's probably the result of us not you know doing what we should be doing on the roads but it was not somebody took it yeah there's one landowner in Milliesville that has placed a bunch of rocks what they thought on the side of the road but it happens to be a couple feet into the road that you know grading or if it was winter plowing or whatever interrupt that so but we'll add that to the next meeting we can talk about that Theresa and I have had some discussions I'll reach out to Brian apology speak to him and then possibly send the road or I know he stated in his letter he didn't want to spend the time coming out here but you know if it really came down to it I would think you need to come here and voice his opinion sometimes people just want to be heard and acknowledge and I'll certainly do that