 But you really knew him. So what did you think around that time? I mean, I was hurt, first of all. I mean, and it shocked me because at that time I didn't think that somebody so big could be touched. Yeah. You know, which is, I guess, naive of me at the being, you know, that young. I felt like, damn, you a mega celebrity. That shouldn't happen. Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101. Yeah, we gonna talk. Let me ask you something. I see Park on your Instagram, I know you got a history with Park. Just give us a little rundown on how you even met Tupac, you know? I first, hoof, man. I first met Tupac, I think at like a, he was at a school. He was speaking at a school. And at the time I was like, you know, I was really in it. Like him and Ice Cube were like my favorites. Okay. And I was like, oh man, he gonna be at this school. I forgot what school it was. I don't know if it was like manual or something. He was like how, 13, 14? I was younger than that. Oh, never? I was probably like 12, 11, something like that. So I remember leaving school with one of my older homies and we went over there and he was speaking to the school, you know, and then he kind of walked off stage. And of course, then I'm delighted to stay in there. You know what I mean? And he was like, you know, hey, what's up? You know, and he actually talked to me for a little bit, you know? So that was, you know, and then I just kept running into him. You know what I mean? Because, you know, I've been on my own. I've been in these streets for a long time, bro. I called my first case at 12 years old. Wow. So I'm saying, so I, you know, I've been out here putting in work for a long time. So I was always around people that was older than me. And at that time I was getting the chance to meet a lot of rappers because, you know, shout out to my, to my big bro, Kenny McLeod. Kenny McLeod on the Black Hole Studios back in the days. And... Who were some of the rappers? Easy E. Oh, you met Easy? Yeah, I met Easy. One of the first rappers I met was Easy, Quick, Bone, Thugs, and Harmony. Yeah. Everybody had something to do with like Roof List because they was always recording the Black Hole. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I met, I had my first exposure with the Bay Area because of that. The homie CNH. Okay. That was managing the loonies at the time. Yeah, yeah. I met some of them. I met Drew Down. Drew Down? Yeah. And this was when it was popping. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't knock it a year, it was out. Oh, yeah, him boy was playing. Like, yeah, it was like, he was popping at that time. And so, you know, Kenny helped let me hang out, you know what I'm saying? You know, because one day I was just knocked on the door one day and I was just like, yo, I heard it's a recording studio. How old was you? How old was you? I don't know, I was younger than 10. Oh, yeah, you just over there messing with him. I was just riding around in the bikes and one of my older homies had told me, like, hey, you know, it's a recording studio. They did music over there. It was on Rose Crane, so it was like right in the area. So I just knocked on the door and I was just like, yo, man, I got $50. And you know, I'm trying to record. He just kind of laughed at me and was like, man, you know what's it called to be up here? I was just like, I mean, I got 50 bucks, you know. And so he knew, he, you know, cause we used to see him all the time. So he was like, oh man, this one of the kids from the area. From the area. Yeah, so he would let me hang out, you know what I'm saying? Chill and be in the big recording studios and, you know. So did you ever see Park in the studio? Yeah, a couple of times. Couple of times. A couple of times. Yeah, most of the times when I ran into him though, it was just like, it's crazy. I used to see him at like house parties. Yeah. Like in the hood. He always come to the hood. Yeah, yeah. He knew a lot of people that I knew that was around. So I was just always kind of intermingling, you know, and, you know, when he said, like, you know, I'm easy to remember. You can feel me. So, especially at that time I had long hair. I was looking like one of the bones that I remember. So, you know, like, what's up, whoop, whoop. And then as the years went on, I got cool with his family, you know. And then even after he passed, I got, you know, super close with the family too, you know. So. I wanna ask you about that. Like, when he was going, when that whole beef thing was going on out here, you was older then. Well, how was you doing that time? I wouldn't know enough to drive. You wouldn't know enough to drive but you was in the street. You knew what was going on. Yeah, I knew what was happening. Did you, and so the time when he got killed and all that and being that you was a big fan of his, how did that affect you? Cause I look at all of these things cause I know I was affected to a point, you know, to where I'm same age, born a month apart. You think about all these things but you really knew him. So what did you think around that time? I mean, I was hurt first of all. I mean, and it shocked me because at that time I didn't think that somebody so big could be touched. Yeah. Which is I guess naive of me being that young. I felt like, damn, you a mega celebrity. That shouldn't happen or that can't happen. Like I don't know why I thought that that can't happen. Yeah. I mean, I know there's been other rappers before that. Like, when I got older, I heard stories about like Scott LeBrock and people like that. But I wasn't in, that was before my time. So I wasn't listening to rap music at that time. You know what I'm saying? So Tupac was the first person where I was like, damn. You could be on top of the world and get a kid out there. Because they have all that bodyguards. So you think that, oh yeah, they protect it. Yeah, or just not even that. When you a little kid and you looking up at that, you just, you're like, oh, you made it. There's nobody gonna touch him. Like who gonna touch, you know what I mean? I don't know. And then he, I got shot before and he pulled through. I mean, Tupac was like Superman to me. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Even that week that he was shot, you know, we all thought he was gonna make it. Yeah, of course, everybody was thinking it. And even the doctors were like, oh, he doing better. Yeah, they played us. Yeah, and it just happened. And I remember Theo was on the radio at that time on 92.3 to beat. And I knew Theo too, because I used to call into the radio station every day. And he used to talk to me every day. And so I heard him on the radio. And I just, you know, tear came to my eye, you know what I'm saying? And I just remember him playing Stevie Wonder ribbon in the sky. Yeah. So whenever that song come on, I think it's about. What about, was it, do you feel like it with our Orlando person that they always say? I knew, I knew who did. You knew exactly who it was. Because of the being a part of, you in Cali. Yeah. You in the streets all the time. Right. Obviously you might've knew what was going on a little more than a person in Texas. Right. I knew what was kind of happening behind the scenes. I mean, I knew a lot of people that were actively in that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so I knew some of the little beefs that were going on, some of the rumors, and some of the things that were happening in the street. So I mean, it wasn't long before I knew what was happening. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. As far as the legality aspects of it. Yeah, but people try to turn to conspiracy and all kind of stuff. But you being more tapped in would be here. Be like if something happened in Texas in my hood, I'm gonna know, okay, nah, that ain't what it was. This is what it was. Well, this is the thing. I think we talked about this off-camera a little bit. This is the thing, this is what's wrong with us as people and what's messed up about us killing each other the way we do is that it can be anything, you know what I'm saying? So could it have been a big conspiracy? Yeah. Could it have been over nothing? Yeah. But that's the problem. It could be everything. Yeah, so whenever, it could be any of that. So when you have somebody important like that, that's a voice for a generation, you know? And we gotta have remember, you know, we gotta show some compassion to Tupac, he was very young. You know, he was a baby. He was 24 or 25. Yeah, when he died. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So he was a baby, you know, in the grand scheme of life. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, he was very intelligent for his age, but he was lacking some life experiences just because being wise doesn't come from being smart. Being wise comes from age and experience and things. So, you know, I think he just was a victim of his youth at that point, but to bring a 360 to what we're saying, the problem with us killing each other so often is that when you have somebody important like that, if it is a conspiracy, they can make it look like it's not because we do kill each other over nothing. Yeah, we on boss talk one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gonna talk.