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Imagine Scott bare-faced Yeah, please imagine that Everything he says is a bare-faced fact We're gonna talk about Facebook's new way of stealing some more of the internet and putting it inside Facebook a little bit later on But let's tell you the basics of that in the headlines Facebook announced a new tool called instant articles that it hopes will encourage publishers to host their articles on Facebook the new product Reduces the average load time of an article and incorporates interactive features like the ability to zoom in and explore high resolution images Just by tilting the phone the ability to like and comment on individual parts of an article in line Publishers can either sell ads themselves and just keep all the money or let Facebook do it for them And then they share the revenue tracking can be done through comm score and other analytics tools Facebook is working with nine launch partners for this If you're on iOS and you click on a link from the New York Times National Geographic buzz feed NBC News the Atlantic the Guardian BBC News spiegel and build You will probably see it load lickety split. Hmm. What is this Facebook? You speak you just kidding? We'll get to that. Yeah, I'll explain it to you later CNET is reporting that the Blu-ray disc association or the BRD a I'll call it artificially like no one told me to Announce finalization of the ultra HD Blu-ray format that supports 4k video at 3840 by 2160 resolution That seems as 4k as you get to me and 60 frames per second as well as an unspecified immersive object-based sound format That's very interesting players of the new format are backwards compatible with existing Blu-ray discs My guess is they will scale nicely Association will begin licensing ultra HD Blu-ray products this summer and players should hit the market by the end of the year The real question is will consumers be confused by a name like ultra HD Blu-ray and I think they will well It's by the way, it is the BDA. Is it the beat that? Yeah, that's how you refer to the Blu-ray disc the ray is After the hyphen so it doesn't the art doesn't get in there, but Yeah, I I think an even bigger question Is this the last consumer optical disc format? Oh, I mean I think we'll continue to have optical disc for storage and an enterprise use and various other things, but Ultra HD 4k confusion aside. Do we even see them putting out discs? In the 8k world that follows, you know 10 years down the road oddly enough Yeah I may have been you that I talked about this but I remember in 2006 when Blu-ray was just hitting the streets Sony was making a big deal about that with their PlayStation 3 and I remember having the same conversation saying how long will we need discs for a High-def format so if the conversation started then and we still haven't gotten rid of you know physical this by now My guess is this truly will be the transitional bridge But time will tell that's a big resolution. That's a lot of bandwidth. So who knows I Kind of feel and I remember actually back in the day saying that no one will win the HD DVD Blu-ray war and I was wrong But I kind of feel that we will always have some kind of physical media I do think that at a certain point For the purposes of selling a collectible item, right? So so DVD box sets have gotten better and better including toys and cards and special things as well along with The complete set of Batman television shows or whatever at a certain point having it on a disc will just seem silly And it just put it on a USB drive. Yeah, I agree a little small little SSD type media or whatever But I would I would say that you're not wrong with your prediction about it losing and what I mean by it I mean HD in a physical format because maybe Blu-rays did fine But they didn't do what what DVDs did or VHS for that matter nothing even near that so in a very big way I think streaming may have won that battle and and funny enough like in traditional battles like this like Betamax VHS For example streaming wasn't as good-looking, but still kind of won out in the number. So it'll be weird Last July Microsoft CEO Sachin Adele said we will streamline the next version of Windows from three operating systems Into one single converged operating system for screens of all sizes and today Microsoft announced the new versions of the Windows 10 OS Windows 10 home will ship on consumer devices And then there's Windows 10 Pro which is meant for businesses who need to manage devices and sign on the domains And then there's Windows 10 mobile which is for phones and smaller tablets things less than 10 inches in size And then there's Windows 10 education, but that's meant for schools Oh and Windows 10 mobile enterprise, which is again for large customers and volume licenses of the of the phones Oh, and then there's versions of both enterprise OS is for embedded devices both mobile and regular for the you know Things like ATMs and handheld terminals and don't forget Windows Internet of Things core Windows IoT core, but that's it They're doing it again though. They're doing this thing where there's just I mean maybe it won't be as confusing for the average Joe You know they can't stop themselves is what it is like one and and I Unfairly quoted Sachin Adele there because in that same earnings, I believe it was an earnings call But in that same conference call He clarified he's like I mean that the kernel that there will be one kernel and developers will be able to work on one It will have universal apps and all of that stuff is true But those of us who have been admirers of the Windows naming conventions over the years and the NTS and the pros Can't help but get a little bit of a chuck a lot. Yeah, it's pretty funny I think that I don't know. I think that they're probably fine It's just an issue of like you're gonna get up and tell the big marketing push has been one OS for all for everything And yeah, it doesn't exactly adhere to that and I understand the kernel thinking that it isn't it isn't right? Yeah, it's quite one OS, but it is funny Either way attention people of the Internet attention. It is now even easier to order pizza. Thank goodness Domino's announced that its customers will soon be able to order a pizza tweeting the emoji for pizza I think this is kind of brilliant and by the way the only delivery pizza I like still as a domino so I'm okay recuse myself a little bit You just need to have a Domino's pizza profile I have that too with a designated easy order pizza type and your Twitter handle Then when you tweet the the hashtag easy order to at Domino's With the emoji or just the emoji I guess either way You'll soon get a direct message confirming that you have the order and its place the hashtag works today and the emoji method Becomes available next Wednesday May 20th. I'm totally gonna try this. I kind of want to try this too And I don't like Domino's pizza. Hmm. And I'm not I'm not I'm not meaning to get into a pizza beef with you Although pizza with beef very tasty But I want I Domino's is swaying me into at least trying one for the first time in a while Because I want to I want to do the emoji thing. I'm gonna wait till May 20th Set this profile up and be like all right pizza my My recommendation is It's thin crust is where it's at with those guys. I don't really like anything else they do but when they go thin crust It's amazing. So I've already got a favorited pizza up on the site. I haven't I do it all the time I'm just gonna do this and I will report back on this show how it went if you do it, too We'll bear notes excellent In January of 2015 when asked by CMBC about rumors that Verizon or Yahoo might acquire AOL CEO Tim Armstrong dismissed the idea saying we have a lot of partners coming in to talk to us But AOL has a unique vision a unique strategy and we've stayed on strategy Of course as you know Yesterday Verizon announced it was acquiring AOL for four point four billion dollars when asked about rumors that AOL might sell Or spin off its content publications by Anthony Ha of tech crunch armstrong told tech crunch Which is owned by AOL that AOL was quote going to be in the content business and that specifically Tech crunch is not getting sold off and that there will be editorial independence so On the one hand Scott you could say very said he wasn't gonna get sold to Verizon either look at what how that worked out On the other hand, he was kind of vague in that dismissal whereas here. He very bold he Speaking of your bare face for announcements. He said tech crunch is not getting sold off Is he has he been this forward forward talking about other I could not find any More solid denials of the rumors around he was very dismissive He tried to brush them off, but he never said we are not going to be sold to Verizon He fact I don't think he even ever said we're not going to merge with Yahoo He just sort of said well, you know, you hear a lot of things and you know He was very he was very dismissive, but very vague here. He I I don't know man Maybe I'm being naive, but I tend to think him going being very un Tim Armstrong like and saying tech crunch is not getting sold off Means that you tech crunch is not gonna get sold off and you guys I missed the show yesterday So I don't know if this guy brought up, but did it get talked about? The consolidation they've done recently with joystick getting essentially gutted and then rolled into you know We didn't bring that up, but you're right I he mentioned in this in the extended version of this report that they want to bring in more content properties But that's a good point is they have also been consolidating which you can't criticize any company They're going to take things that are underperforming and close them up while they might still try new things. So I Don't know. I mean game center went away at CNET because game spot was so good, right? Yeah, that's a good point Well, the verge who was founded by ex AOL bloggers and is now an independent thing And has nothing to do with them reports the announcement the Nintendo world championship If that brings a bell hold on will be held for the first time in 25 years on June 14th at the Nokia theater in Los Angeles This is two days before the kickoff of v3 Qualifying grounds begin at Best Buy as a major cities across the US Nintendo or release more details soon It's not unusual for them to partner with Best Buy and stuff like this But I have very vague recollections of this Competition as it previously existed for Nintendo and back in the day when they used to do this I don't remember much about it except as soon as I saw this article and went oh my gosh Nintendo is at least I guess. I don't know what they're doing. Are they having a sense of humor about things They're not doing a major e3 presentation this year like last year. They're not planning on one They're their whole position to be three this year is very dubious in general and we really don't know what to expect They're not showing off the NX. We don't know what else is happening We know we're not going to seize it the New Zelda there because that got delayed and they've already said we're not talking about it There so instead they're unearthing and blowing the dust off this ancient contest Which is very cool and exciting but very strange and I'm very excited now about when Nintendo is gonna do despite the fact that They're doing very little at e3 proper George Herbert Walker Bush was president when when when last we held a Nintendo World Championship and Nirvana was undiscovered Just you know not to put too fine a point on it here Yeah, I I think mate is I It's probably stretching it too far to say Nintendo is using this as a play to get into eSports But do you think that might be kind of a knock-on effect that they would like to encourage? Well, I if I am I actually think you're right And it's it's it's if I'm gonna make a prediction. It's this it's based on the success the the runaway success despite the fact that They're console and it's such a distant third place this generation. It just has not done well By most Metrics, however, if you look at how well it has done with certain titles. It's kind of phenomenal and the Venerable and will always be with us until the end of time Smash Brothers series did really well for Wii U But not just well for them on the console Extremely well in the competitive circuit and I think this is Nintendo a lot and it's not unlike maybe a little nefariously But it's not unlike what they do with youtubers and others who are broadcasting their content They want to control the destiny of any eSports that may spring up around their titles be it Mario Karp yet Smash Brothers whatever it may end up being and because there's a big following a big competitive scene for Smash Brothers I think it's smart for them to try to get their hands around that and control that and maybe not so much control But to encourage it and to build their brand out to be important to that crowd as well So my guess is this is a this is their stake in the larger eSports market as it continues to grow And the way that they're approaching it is probably a smart one because who knows what direction it goes or what form it'll take in the future But Nintendo wants to be there if they can All right We're not going to make you remember as far back as flannel and Star Trek the next generation being new But a year ago when the court of justice of the European Union ruled that Google needed to respect the right to be forgotten and Remove inadequate irrelevant or no longer relevant if requested by an individual links Google said that they shouldn't be the decision-maker as to what is inadequate irrelevant or no longer relevant in some cases Google declined to remove requested links Because they were forced into that position of judging and more than a hundred eighty-three people complained to the UK's Information Commissioners Office, which is in talks with Google about 48 of those cases that it believes Google didn't get quite right Now put that number in the perspective of the fact that Google received more than 250,000 requests to remove about 920,000 links of which 41.3% have been removed from its European search results 48 not quite right seems like a pretty damn good track record in what is a very vague and nondeterministic Reconciliation about right to be forgotten And and Google probably would be right in saying we told you we're not the right people to judge this I can't believe 48 that is the definition of a nitpick. I'm kind of wordless on this because I that is such a small infantile number Compared to 250,000 requests and 920,000 links. I mean that is ridiculous That's like that's that is an error rate that any manufacturer would love to have that's That's a that's a test taking error rate that any school district would love to have like that is ridiculously Small and I can't believe they're worried about that. Well, and I guess it shows just how seriously The regulator regulators take this. I mean if it was 48 injuries, for instance We wouldn't care that it was that small a percentage we'd say look, you know, that's that's a lot of people damaged and we should we should look into this and They're kind of saying that that's what's going on here And I don't want to minimize that side. I don't agree with that But they are saying, you know having these links out on the search engines in public is damaging to these people's reputations And even 48 is too many and we need to find to that and there's also a presumption that that Google is maybe recalcitrant and wanting to Co-operate with the system But Google is go bending over backwards these days to say hey, we used to have a bad attitude about this But we're trying to do our best now We're trying to help out the UK is just hardcore people forget how how they are the ones where these things get drugged out much Longer in the courts over there and just ask Microsoft if they're still, you know burning a little bit Well, not just UK. Yeah, you mean the EU and yeah, for sure Time to highlight some of our news from you at daily tech news show dot reddit.com if you Think well, why did that get selected then you need to vote daily tech news show reddit.com get in there Stories this story has been bubbling up on the subreddit since last weekend and for some reason today hometown rival submission got the most votes Mirna Arias former employee of California money transfer firm intermix says she was fired a few weeks after being scolded for deleting a work App from her work phone Arias claims. She was told to leave her phone on at all times The app Zora street smart is meant to track employees working away from the office She didn't want to be tracked when she wasn't at work It doesn't seem like the app was made to track people when they weren't at work It's sort of like if you've got a lot of service technicians out on trucks You can know where they are that kind of thing But her boss was making her keep it on all the time. She deleted it and then she got asked It makes sense. I suppose if you're gonna be you know, let's say you work for I don't know Let's say you work for Comcast in New Orleans and sure the truck suddenly shows up on Bourbon Street every day at three You might wonder if something's up I totally get that but I also understand the idea that this is gonna be a new idea and I think employees aren't necessarily ready to be Big brother at all the time. Even if it's a company who's paying you I you know, I bet this isn't the first or last time we'll hear about the line This is not the last time we're here because she's suing this company and whatever the decision is is gonna make news Whenever it comes down. I have a feeling that The judge won't find that the company has the right to track her in her off time The question is, you know legally whether that's actually why she was fired if there are other mitigating circumstances this and that But I can't imagine that it would be found that. Oh, yeah No, you you have no right to privacy in your off hours It's because courts have found that companies shouldn't be able to make you use your phone in your off hours when you're not being paid Oh good point. Yeah I've been watching this Teddy Roosevelt documentary and it reminds me of those issues in a different time So we'll see how this goes snake 655 because all the other snakes were taken. It's from a rival gang Posted the ours technique a report on findings from the DDoS protection firm in Capsula Which is one of my favorite names ever over the past four months The company has recorded attacks from a 40,000 269 IP addresses along a belonging to 1600 ISPs using compromised home and office routers almost all of the devices used vendor approved logins or provided rather While these kinds of infections are not new the scale is growing and is rather impressive users should update firmware change default passwords Is something strong and turn off remote access unless specifically necessary? Good idea. Yeah, it's just a clarion call that Too many people don't even know that they're hosting a vector for botnets So spread the word folks. Let's try to help stomp this out and hopefully manufacturers will start providing better default security out of the box as well T-glass 1976 suggested the ours technical story about a critical bug in Zen KVM and native QEMU at virtual machine platforms Who QMU I guess that are commonly used by cloud service providers If attackers gain root access to one virtual machine the exploit could allow them to gain access to the OS That the other VMs run on and then gain access to all the VMs on the system the vulnerability exists in QMU's virtual floppy disk controller Meaning it can affect Linux Windows and OS 10 That's depriving fanboys that the ability to point and laugh at other OSes because that pretty much covers the gamut and it can In fact other OSes as well patches are available No evidence of an x-point in the wild has appeared yet a lot of people over exaggerating this it really Mostly affects VPS's virtual private servers And even then we're not sure exactly how serious a vulnerability it is and it should get patched So talk to your web host Talk to your data center make sure they're patching it up It's always best to have these things out in the open like this because These are what these are the kind of problems that most people and even some IT professionals and companies They're supposed to kind of watch for this stuff But it gets under the radar because it's kind of obscure and kind of weird and they don't you know know to necessarily update Especially in like kind of mid-range companies. So I'm a big fan of the whole security by exposure and This will probably hopefully fix a lot of people's exposure And that is a look at exposure and the headlines All right, let's talk about this Facebook instant articles You've heard the details in the headlines. They've got nine publishers on board and they want to expand it to other publishers To essentially host a page in Facebook So that when I'm on my phone and I'm in Facebook and I click on a link that Scott has shared with me from the New York Times It'll load lickety-split won't even leave the app boom right there I mean, that's the big thing Facebook wants. They don't want you to leave Facebook So they get a huge benefit out of that. They're touting the increased Speed of the loading of the page because you don't leave the app and it's served by Facebook It's not going to take time to like go to the web and then load another app from the New York Times Which sometimes you know weird stuff like that happens on an operating system, but mostly this is about keeping you inside Facebook It's about learning more data about you because if you're reading it in Facebook, then you're going to be Participating in Facebook and they they have more control over that data They can share that data with these publishers and that benefits them the publishers can still sell ads about it It encourages cross-platform publication What could be wrong sounds like a golden age Scott? There's absolutely no criticisms to be made of this Well as it turns out there a bunch a lot of people are I think there's an automatic button when people read these articles or hear these stories And they automatically hit it because they're freaked out even if they don't fully understand her and what's going on This does seem like a case of the common user's gonna have no idea that this is anything except to say They'll feel like oh well that was fast because I haven't left. I haven't had to open another browser I'm gonna go somewhere else. It's just open and we're talking mostly a mobile the mobile experience is really where this is mattering. Yeah That seems like a no-brainer for users who are already used to go into RSS feeds or a million other ways get content That is not directly on people's sites, but we have this thing where we want to control stuff And because we don't have a unified interface across the internet I don't know how you ever sort of achieve that so earlier now Well, we hold on we kind of do have a unified interface across the internet. It's called the web True, but then use browsers and it's written in html like there is a standard There's a standard, but now let's go one layer in because this is where the problem happens I agree with you that standard exists. In fact, it is the standard in which Facebook operates for heaven's sakes. It's just this None of them have there's no equity when it comes to user experience and there can't be is there also It's also impossible to say that someone might really like the way Facebook does their interface and people might really like the way Google Plus do does and then and the never the twain shall meet so because I could be a web designer and make a really crappy user Experience and somebody else makes a better one and pulls in my feeds and content from there It's impossible for me to do much about it except build a better experience So what we have here is a big 900 pound gorilla with an experience people are used to and that they hang around in a lot And then you go over to I don't know New York Times or somebody who's Maybe that's not a terrible experience, but it's certainly not the same and they're less comfortable with it and they don't want to go out to it wait for it to load and everything else as a user makes perfect sense as Publishers and and and aggregators and sites and news organizations. That's where it gets a little bit hairy So I gave you an example earlier I think I still stand by I've thought about it a bit since we talked and that is this And I often use video game comparisons. I apologize everybody But when steam came on the scene in the in the early odds and said here's what we're gonna do here at Valve We have this idea We're gonna unify gaming experiences on PCs where right now it's just kind of scattershot and all over the place and The same fears were expressed. Oh, no You won't be be visiting my site where we built a site to support our game instead You're gonna go to this Unified one place this platform you're gonna get our game there and we're gonna have to give a share to them Got those guys and you're never gonna come to see us again And it's bad for publishers. It's bad for everybody and players turns out complete opposite happened PC's never seen so much growth largely in part because of what valve did with with steam and its continued success And it's the same kind of problem publishers publishing it somewhere So you don't have to leave you get it you play it you have it there You might go to the forums occasionally. There's links off to their site There's ways to get there still but once again the platform one the systems more unified It is not a shotgun effect anymore and you can get everything you want in a place that you like and that you trust So for me this all boils down to if people continue to like and trust Facebook Then this is a good deal probably for everybody involved including the publishers because you can't force someone to come over to your site If they don't want to go so bring your content to other people It's like saying well come to my house to play checkers Well, I don't want to wait wait So if you put up a paywall for instance that says after you've read ten articles in a month from my publication You have to pay me that might dissuade people from coming to your site And it's better to just publish your articles in more places that can help you monetize them with advertisements Look, I don't want to freak you out, but yes Well, that's what I think is so interesting about the New York Times being involved in this and we like to slam on the New York Times for a lot of reasons and I say when I say we I mean people in general not me personally But the New York Times even with their paywall I think deserves credit for being out there trying these different things And I think if you look at the history of the things they've tried It's very instructive that those of you who fear this and say look Facebook's getting too much power They're becoming a walled garden and that's gonna be bad for the rest of the internet You are right if New York Times never publishes anywhere else And if everyone only starts using Facebook for everything and while that may seem like a danger History has shown that that doesn't usually happen for instance June 9th 1994 the New York Times launched on America online They didn't have any other online presence They didn't launch their own website for a couple of years after that And it did not Actually turn the internet into America online New York Times launched on pointcast in February 1996 which was automatically Pushing things like sports and news and updates without you having to venture to websites Pretty much what Facebook is doing in a way here pushing it through the news feed and crowdsourcing the pushing obviously but Saying hey, you don't have to go out to the web We're just gonna give you the page pointcast you don't remember because it didn't succeed but my point is People don't like to be in a walled garden forever And so I think this is good in that all of these publishers should be putting their content out in as many places as possible As long as they can figure out how to fund their operations and Facebook has taken care of that part of the equation here My only fear is that they stop at Facebook and and I don't think they will I think I think they will take this as an instruction of like hey Maybe we could try putting it over here And in fact you pointed out a Danny Sullivan marketing land article that pondered what have Google did this with search? And so when you click on a link certain publishers that we've partnered with can have those links Pop up immediately rather than having to take you to the website well in some ways They're already doing that with you know Wikipedia searches or if I'm looking for a certain actor for example What am I getting I'm getting data from multiple sites Wikipedia as a publisher maybe a few other sources And if I want to know you know a certain Definition of a word is pulling it from dictionary calm and it's presenting it not just as here's a link to dictionary calm It's putting up this big custom panel at the top smart enough to know what I'm looking for and gives me the definition There's links I can go off to if I want to but in a way They're kind of already doing that they don't have deals necessarily or maybe they do and I just don't know it but You know this I guess my point is this When a well have their walled garden we were in there for a long time But suddenly the outside world the rest of the gardens started looking really nice. We're like we'll get the H out of here There's plenty other gardens to go to this is dumb Let's get out of here and go to where the wheel and it is this big giant jungle It's not just a garden and then we hung out in there for a very long time And now we have platforms that people like and are comfortable with the connect us the social part Which didn't really exist other than chat rooms really on a well's days That may really changes the whole effect of all of this because now we're sharing data We're doing it in real time mobile kind of changes everything to so yes There's a lot of similarities But also we live in a very different time than those a well days and while that's pendulum And now seems to be swinging back to quote-unquote walled gardens I agree with something you said been in show prep earlier today that it will probably swing back a little bit the other way It's like this look we're podcasters. We make content. We are the perfect examples of this We want to have our stuff in as many years as possible now if I said I'm not letting any frog pant shows go anywhere except on the website and a little HTML player I put in there So hey if you want my shows come over to the website and listen because that's the only way I'm letting you do it That would be ridiculous and it would be nailing my coffin instead. I want to go no I wanted on itunes. I wanted on stitcher. I wanted on tune in radio. I want alpha geek radio stream I want to put it up on YouTube I want to put it everywhere that I can because all these eyeballs are going to be wherever they want to get stuff and Without being willing to do that you end up with You know your own walled garden with no one in it. Yeah, exactly. This is your platform That's all Facebook is what you don't want is Darth Zuckerberg getting Lando, New York Times So dependent on Facebook that he can alter the deal So that it's disadvantageous Yeah, I do Lord Vader so here's the other question I would have for you Do you think there's any I always like to look for bread crumbs and deals like this But do you think there's any connection between New York Times dropping their their subscription thing right before they yeah I do because they only dropped it for the one app that's targeted at the Millennials And there was a stat that I read earlier More than half of Millennials get their news from Facebook each day So they're they're looking very carefully at who's paying and who's not and they're saying you know what those people for the Most part aren't paying on Facebook. So let's do that and and probably either I don't know if the horse came before the cart But they probably said well, you know what we should drop the subscription from the app too Because it's gonna seem silly to pay for that when you get it all free on Facebook, right? Well, it's it's interesting to see how it goes I wonder who else will join this thing but this seems like a decent starting number I'll for one I don't do a ton of stuff on Facebook when I am there and I'm looking at my feed I'll appreciate the ease of use of this and if this means that the sites get paid That Facebook retains users gains users has them not leave their quote-unquote walled garden It seems like a three-way win to me and I'm not sure who's that sure who's actually losing I think I think a lot of things could lose if it doesn't go right I just kind of don't I'm not too worried that it will go wrong Well, how many times of these things where we all caught cry wolf and freak out have actually come through to It doesn't happen the wolf never shows up it never shows up and I don't know why that is See watch this would be the first time the wolf shows up Stupid but most of the time it's like anything like it's important to be active politically when it comes to net neutrality and figuring out ways to deal With this and that and all this stuff It's all very important and all very serious But at the end of the day, I've yet to see any of these wolves show up and I think I'm what I like about historical documentaries Is how many wolves are brought up that never ever ever show up? Yeah So yeah, that's why I brought up point cast at AOL Point cast was I remember using point cast that it was going to change the world I wouldn't even go to the web anymore and of course it first Let's get to our pick of the day I came from Michael in Stormy Madison, Wisconsin Who wrote in with a pick for an app called zombies run He's found it to be one of the best ways to engage in a daily workout routine He writes it's a fitness tracker all augmented reality game audio drama for iOS and Android You play runner five a new scout for a post-apocalyptic village and you are sent on various missions to recover goods Check on supply caches and more basically jobs which you have to run Workouts can be set for 30 minutes or an hour each mission has four or five one-minute audio clips that tell an ongoing story as you run You collect supplies which can be used to upgrade your town Fortifying it for zombie apps the app itself supports playlists and external play where it will pause the music to play the story Clips and after a run the app can sync and post your mission results to Facebook and or Twitter Which include distance run mission time and the normal social game updates He's part way through season one and points out the app is 399 initially, which gets you all of season one And you can purchase other seasons with season passes. So I had this app It was an old Kickstarter. I want to say like an early Kickstarter For the app and people really talked a lot of talk about it So I tried it out. This is a while ago now been a couple years actually since I tried it And I love the concept two things. It stressed me out This idea that I had to stay away from zombies just kind of freaked me out I don't know why just made me not enjoy my runs as much so good at the story I guess to each his own but the other thing that this was weird is you would go from this like Your music could pause and be this really serious story and about oh, no camp 13 has been overtaken What are we gonna do? I don't know but get to get to this point before anything Or you're gonna be eating alive blah blah blah and then my music to come back stand in that place where? Like it just didn't It didn't have There's a whole market to be made for Company playlists that go well with zombies run. I guess yeah good point. It's a cool app I mean, it's what a great idea because it actually does give you a motivation Just somebody make wolves run for Scott. Sure. You just have wolves chasing That'll be less stressful, right? Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show comm You can find my picks at daily tech news show comm slash picks Kevin commented on the YouTube video yesterday that Turkey does charge a staggering tax on cell phones At least Kevin says and you can only bring in one phone a year per passport might be two He says it's been a while However, if you leave the country with it and don't return with it They rebate the tax also they can shut down the phones that are not registered from the network after a few weeks Even if you use a Turkish sim so you need to register your phone if you're visiting for a while But that sort of explains why the Android one phones are so expensive in Turkey Could be the tax the all this international stuff man You never know how it works unless you pay attention to your readers like Kevin And then on Monday a Veronica and I were talking about wearables and body metrics and Allison Sheridan sent us this Voice mail with some thoughts. Hey, Tom I found the discussion between you and Ron and Veronica about metrics collection from wearables really interesting Especially since Ron and Veronica were at opposite ends of the spectrum on the issue Ron said at one point that he felt getting all these metrics makes us live in fear But I think the point is to try to live more in control Veronica for example is trying not to be a slave to migraines But instead find the root cause or causes if at all possible you explain that you're getting the metrics But struggling with what to do about them I believe strongly in actionable metrics for example measuring and adjusting upwards How long you elevate your heart rate improves the strength of your heart muscle which in turn helps to stave off some heart related problems Or at least that's what we hope in contrast I'm not a believer at all in sleep tracking because it doesn't measure the input functions just the results So I don't know what to do to improve the metric. I know whether I slept badly or well, but I don't know why It's like weighing yourself every day doesn't help you to lose weight While measuring your food intake and calories burned does help you lose weight. Anyway, really enjoyed the discussion Yeah, I I think Allison is is very eloquently expressing what I was trying to say on Monday Which is you need to have the data put in some kind of context for it to help you if you don't know what it means It doesn't do anything for you. Yeah, I completely agree I use I still use mostly apps to do stuff. I carry my phone with me I don't have the watch yet and I used to have a fit bit and lost it got washed But I but I've always been interested in that data And part of that data is it's twofold for me one is all right What am I eating versus how much am I exercising that's important because it controls when I eat I can track and say well didn't have a good week this week. What did I have? Oh, maybe those, you know, the four pounds of marshmallows are a bad idea or whatever That's all true. But the bigger that was your pillow The bigger thing for me is motivation. I see what I've done And go all right. Well yesterday Pretty active day 10,000 steps which included some jogging some walking some whatever Today, I'd really like to bump that up to 11 or 12,000 and then those directly reflect the weight Things that you can do by weighing yourself once a week or however often you do it Like there's a there's a combination of data and having the right data in the right sort of context That's there's a reason that this is such a push by everyone I mean note that everybody in the industry is on board with fitness tracking Delivering that data building apps whatever it may be. So it's not just I don't think it's a fluke That a few people are sort of into it. I think they see this as the future of mobile in a lot of ways We all want the result. I think is what you're saying And and and there are good things to be derived from that data We just we just need to include that second part just the tracking alone in most cases is not enough You need to know what it means Yeah Well, thank you scott johnson for joining us as always now on wednesdays. It's great to know that you're going to be here It's it's comforting. It's hard to think of it in that way It's like there's this tendency to want to be Guestman at the end and beginning of the show and really it's like no, you're you're just here. This is you now So, I mean, it's so easy to get used to when you're having a good time So thank you as always a great discussion today and I look forward to wednesdays I hope everyone else is enjoying the wednesday thing It's some really cool guest stuff coming up, which is super exciting So, uh, yeah, hang in there everybody and thanks for putting me where i'm at Yeah with all of the co-hosts I'm working with them to to come up with ideas for either, you know, interesting topics that they they want to dive into Or what scott just alluded to in a couple weeks. We're going to have a guest Based on an article that he found interesting that I was throwing out there about something called name data networking And how that could actually solve many security and net neutrality issues If it were to be successful and implemented on the internet We're going to talk about that in a couple weeks with a professor from ucla. 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You can give us a call 51259 daily That's 5125932459 listen to the show live at alphekeekradio.com Watch it while we record on diamondclub.tv and visit our website daily tech news show.com I will not be here tomorrow, but justin robert young will take over and andrew main will be his guest talk to you then The show is part of the frog pants network get more at the frogpants.com Hope you have enjoyed this program That always makes me laugh The diamond club thing. Yeah, that's awesome. So good So jenny Okie dokie here we go Uh the other thing that I threw at you today. Well, you kind of threw it to me and i'm throwing it back at you The in the dts drop box you should see an mp3 for rob from bbc Uh Yes Do you see it? Hold on. I was level. I was thinking in the levelating department. Oh, let me know Let me know when when it's okay to tell Wait, so I'm confused now. All right dts too rob rob rob from bbc Yes, so after you're done levelating and you pull that back into audacity to the end rob goes in the end Okay, all right. Let me find my file roger. I'm warning you now. It's gonna be a long time till show notes Okay, you just leave them in that thing if you want I'll go get them Okay, I mean they're all done. I just need to they just need to be pasted in I know You could do it right now because it's going to take me a while. Okay. I Should we call the show too many windows? Uh You guys talk about it. Scott. What do you think again too many windows too many windows too many windows We also have the pizza emoji tinvek, but uh, I did break a couple of people's feed readers Uh, not a lot, but I kind of want to avoid another emoji title Um 2015 not ready for 1984 Take over jenny Yeah, go ahead On the fast tracking to unemployment Oh, I know a lot about that If you do the windows one so many windows is pretty good So many windows many windows windows version 10 or 10 versions That one made you laugh 10 windows. I don't that's pretty funny. I like it It's a low and flat vote curve right now So we can pick whatever we want trust us. We're facebook. I like that one too Wow tinvek you're on fire today. Little lady forget about me. What was it won't you forget about me? Facebook bets on stockholm syndrome. That's bio cows. Nice one Uh, I don't know. I kind of want to go with one of these facebook ones now. There's some pretty good ones Yeah, that was a weird story. So probably here's a question as this expands And it's not just the new york times and buzz feed and all these places And content can still be blocked on facebook if people complain about it, which I found out two weeks ago Are they going to prevent content from being blocked by people who complain about it if it's part of the instant articles That's a self-solving problem. Yeah No content from those partners will be allowed that violates the policies And so if they are reported as blocked it will it will take it They will not be blocked automatically because they'll assume that the partners are following the policies until they further review it And what if facebook decides that things about stretch marks are not good for facebook? I mean I'm assuming that they had that conversation when they made the partnership and they said these are the kinds of stories that we Allow on facebook and you know what I mean like all of those things that you're talking about jenny are Are edge cases Their exceptions were somebody either over interpreted a rule or misinterpreted a rule and the stretch marks things. That's instagram So don't get that confused with no, I know but they all part of the same family They are part of the same family, but they are not the same policies So you can't use that example on facebook because that didn't happen on facebook But that's a different set of community managers, etc. Etc So I i'm guessing that that will never be a problem Excellent That's the thinking it'd be interesting if something came up though It would be it would be headline grabbing if something came up. Yeah, and it might i'm not saying it'll never come up But I don't think it's likely there's probably things here. We haven't thought of yet that will still be an issue Yeah, I don't know what but you know I'm just gonna be somebody out there that will just block anybody The other side the other thing I hadn't even thought of till just the second is this isn't new All that's happening is that the the the pages are hosted on facebook people have been linking to these articles In scads for deck for a decade now practically. Yeah, so it's not like the content hasn't been tested So jenny you're doing your own you're not working in tom's draft you're working your own draft Oh, I need to pick the title. Sorry. I got distracted I made that draft roger So the one without the title yet. Yeah, because I pasted the notes into that one great So just save as draft, but don't publish 10 windows one garden I'll be in there 10 windows one garden. I'm still levelating. It's taking quite a long time It might be your uh too many windows. Hey, what if drudge report wanted to self publish on facebook? Like if someone has an extreme bent. Do they does anyone care? I guess normally Facebook has and drudge report have to come to an agreement that facebook and drudge report both agree to It's not it's not an open platform They have to go and and agree to the that's good. That's a good point At what point does facebook be gets so big which I think it already is That that people sue for the right to have instant profile Or instant article Well, I don't know people sue by claiming a disadvantage Like that they're being put out of but like the way that the government says you can't Like the way that the broadcast waves cannot be used for one candidate over another and then it's a disadvantage Well, we're seeing the opposite thing happen in europe with google. They're saying you shouldn't be linking to us. So Again, I don't think that's very likely I don't know europe's on its own course Okay, there are yeah, there are two versions of dts 24 92 That's what I was saying. So just one So should I trash mine jenny or it's up to you I which one is not up to me. Which one are you guys working in? I posted I worked in the I had a draft notes and then I pasted those into the into the shit The draft show does it have the word title in it where it says 24 92 dash title. Yeah, I yeah, I posted the notes into that Okay, so I should trash mine Because if I'm doing all the other things wouldn't I be doing the page too? Yeah, I don't care about that I just wanted to make sure I wasn't deleting the wrong one I'm just elevating And I will I am going to go in there. Oh, jenny's still in there never mind No, you can I'm not I'm not really all right. I'm taking over This is exciting Wait, which one are you taking over? I took over jenny's. Okay. I'm making the category episode And I'm putting the title in 10 windows one garden. Is that what we're going with? Or should we go fast book No, none of them really Reach out and grab me by the lapels. I've heard super What other pizza chains deliver in your area besides is ominous one garden it is Okay pizza hut. Um, and I am out of that post now papa johns. Let's see the other one Pizza hut papa johns. Uh, who's the other john one? Oh john. Oh, uh, he knows often Papa papa murphy's murphy's papa murphy's delivers here. Um, that's the one that doesn't cook it Where's the one where you have to bake it at home? Oh, that's Which one no johns cooks it murphy's pick it up It's annoying how confused I get between those two companies. I hate it We don't we have a lot. We have pit fire pizza and All kinds of little shops little pizza shops too. Yeah, that's true. I get a mozzarella bufala I live in a restaurant land. There's so many choices out here. It's ridiculous Okay, I am totally out of that post the title has been picked I believe that my job here is done I get magnetic pizza slices for every order. Oh, yeah If I make it complete high, let's go. Those are actually wait a minute If we registered the daily tech news show twitter account with dominoes and then we chose tin vex emoji title and then it auto posted the podcast from the rss would that send a pizza to us? No, because wouldn't you have to pay for it? How would you pay for it? Well, no, you if you the way it works is if you register your account Your twitter account with dominoes and then they see the emoji They send you a pizza and then yet you you've already put in your payment information on the website Yeah, but I don't like dominoes pizza. So not enough. I'm not asking whether you like it or not, roger I know but you're you're it's like, you know You want a cold pizza or do you want to I don't know Let's just say I'm just saying could the posting of the podcast with that title accidentally order a pizza Oh, what if it keeps getting what if someone retweets it will they will you get another pizza on top of it? Probably not because you can tell what's a retweet And I'm assuming they're looking at original for an original post only It's dominoes. Oh, and you also have to at reply dominoes nevermind. So no it would not accidentally You have to intentionally say at dominoes. What if I retweet and then put at dominoes before it? I don't know you can end up with $1,500 like if you quote retweet Yeah, what if you quote retweet? Yeah, instead of using the retweet button like a real jerk to someone And then just send them like a truckload of dominoes pizza But if you quote retweet it comes from your account. So then it would just go to you Is that rob from bbc one in the right 44.1 all that jazz? Uh, you have to look when you dragged it into it in audacity. I didn't I didn't check it Whoa Usually those, uh, google voice ones are so Oh, right Oh, no, it's not So let's see. How do I do that in audacity? It's a real pain Rob's not going until next week Next week Rob, sorry It ain't 44.1 ain't going in All right Oh, it wasn't uh, no So google voice isn't exporting in that right in the right That's annoying so annoying Kind of the only way this if you want the only way to fix that is to uh, is to play it and capture it Uh, you might be able to resample it with a utility But I'll probably know the good one. I've never found one that worked. What are you trying to do to it? Honestly, it's sampled at the wrong rate. So instead of 44.1 It's 11 025 Oh, you should be able to Well, I do that in audition, but you should be able to take the file and just re-export it at the new rate. Have a convert it You shouldn't audacity Audacity, I don't know. I was about to say it's like I use a I use audition or whatever the um So what you do is you send the file to scott and he exports it from audition for you is because he's a nice guy And then I'll start getting tweets about things Which to me is what i'm just really trying to avoid right now while I do this. Yeah, I still have uh sound track Dtns track title dtns track title. You do just 24 20. Do you do the number or do you do the title? The track title is the same as the blog post title. Okay, so it's the title title. Yeah, it's dtns episode number dash 2192 You can just copy it out of the just copy it right out. I just copy it right out of the blog I know but I don't want to go to the bar right now. What what's the title? Um dtns 2492 dash the number 10 1 0 space Windows one spelled out o n e capital o garden the ip address is Oh shoot now I gotta look at it in the thing. Sorry 10 windows one garden cut it You guys don't have to stay around for this whole thing. Yeah, you know what? We probably shouldn't because it's just because I could actually do it right all right So well you should stop the broadcast jenny. Oh, that's me It being in charge sucks