 Central Valley accent Central Valley. Yeah. Oh, I see you know if down from Stockton all the way down to I don't even know if I really know what that is Maybe if I heard it, I'd be like, oh, yeah, I got you if you heard I don't know what that is. It would certainly would sound mildly Midwestern certain words like Crick Crick, we'll go down to the creek. It's a good on the creek. Get me a city which is what a creek. Yeah Uh-huh. Yeah, that's that that would be weird So this is a quick in your neck. I went down to the creek I've got a quick and my neck got very sunny here all of a sudden after all this rain. Yeah, you know that Son I did that. I brought it from Hawaii It rained actually almost the entire time I was there too, but it was a lighter rain than here. No thunders Oh my gosh, this rain I I know that the rest of the country is experiencing much more mega weather Yeah, but oh Just relentless. I Can't remember the last time it's rained so much just day after day But it sounded like everything went with the show went fine Yeah, I think so. I mean thanks to Roger, of course. Good job. Yeah. Yeah No, it was it was we missed you of course, but But it was it was great. I was keeping an eye on the content seemed seem great. Yeah, we had good gas all the RSS feeds were feeding The only thing I couldn't figure out was I draw a box thing, but that's I Don't I don't know what's going on with my DC and s drop box, but that's Neither here nor there right now. I see Yeah, there's it's it's All these enterprise services that try to have freemium models end up having really complicated Maps to how you can log in if you're trying to use two products at once Yeah But I've used it before I'm not in our drop box all that much Yeah, because I share, you know stuff via slack most of the time, but yeah, there's something something's up One of your you can you can have your account linked to an enterprise account like DT has but you can only have one account mimicking everything to your hard drive so But that's it That's I'm not really using drop box regularly for other things. I use Google Drive for everything. So yeah, that is my mapped account I don't know. It's just I kept trying to give Roger files and he kept being like They're not in there. Yeah, they are on my end, but they weren't sinking Yeah, they weren't sinking which is you know every once in a while. I'll turn off Sinking if I'm right. I don't know worried about bandwidth or whatever, but that was not the issue I am not sure But how was your vacay you guys have a nice time? Yeah, yeah, it was a family vacation. So, you know not not entirely like laying on the beach with a drink in my hand or anything Right, but I got to I got to play with my two-year-old niece June. Who's the most fantastic person ever She's just a thrill and you know being the aunt and uncle's always easier than being the mother and father didn't trust me but We had a lot of fun. She's good Now have uh, has she been to Hawaii before? No, she hadn't been on an airplane before Oh, that is exciting and she's a huge moana fan So going to Maui it was an added treat as well Got it Well, that sounds nice. Yeah, we did lots of cool stuff went to the you saw, you know She went to the ocean for the first time all that kind of thing Then talk a little bit more about it in a second, but uh, shall we get going with some shall we shall we transition into daily technology? Well, that's what you want to do Tom. I guess that's what we'll do. I feel like it's what the people want Ah Well That's what we're here for. All right. Give the people what they want. Give the people what they want. All right, uh, roger You ready? Yes Here we go. Three two Thomas neil has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like thomas become a dts member at patreon.com slash dtns This is the daily tech news for monday february 4th 2019 in los angeles. I'm tom merit And from studio feline. I'm sarah lean And from a very wet outer fringe of l.a. County. I'm the show's producer roger jay a sincere Thank you to roger sarah and everybody else who kept the show going last week. I'm sorry I skipped out and was a layabout But I am back And we're happy that you are and i'm happy to be here. Uh, we're gonna talk about whether people really Really actually why they never quit facebook and google for all the coveting about its privacy Overreach, but let's start with a few tech things you should know Slack announced it confidentially filed an s1 with the sec to take the company public According to prior sources from the wall street journal the company will pursue a direct listing rather than a traditional ipo Google is allowing its instant tethering feature for chrome os to work with more devices now for a limited number of google made devices The feature had let you set up tethering once and then it automatically turned on any time wi-fi wasn't available Instant tethering as it is called is now available on 15 chrome box Chromebooks from acer asus dell hp lenovo and samsung and more than 30 phones from htc huawei lg motorola one plus and samsung On tuesday february 5th flicker, which is now owned by smug bug will delete photos and videos beyond that 1000 item limit unless you're paying for a 50 per year premium account Users can download photos to prevent them from being lost, but it's going to happen quickly Yeah, i'm still waiting for my link To come today because because when you choose to download them they put them in a zip file and send you a link to Get the zip file, so actually now that you mentioned it. So am i Hmm because i got off the premium account recently, okay pay as you go solar company Azuri has introduced a 32 inch satellite tv system for off the grid customers in kenya The system comes with four high brightness led lights mobile phone charging a rechargeable flashlight and a radio along with the 32 inch television and satellite reception system the 32 inch azuri tv system launches in kenya for 129 kenyan shillings per day, which is about the equivalent of a buck 30 Canadian cryptocurrency exchange quadriga cx is unable to access around 145 million dollars worth of its holdings after the unexpected death of its ceo Jerry cotton from crones disease in jipore india cotton was the only one but knowledge of the passwords for the company's cold Wallet so the company has filed for bankruptcy protection Good reason to have a password manager or post-it note Right i'm down somewhere. Yeah All right, uh, let's talk a little bit more about windows central noticing that according to the description of a session at the upcoming game developers conference Microsoft will release a cross platform live sdk This would use microsoft's existing play fab back end tools and let developers allow cross platform play As well as share gaming achievement history friends list clubs across games on android ios and the nintendo switch The gdc session called xbox live growing and engaging your gaming community across ios android switch xbox and pc Takes place on march 18th. I mean they kind of put the news right there in the name of the session didn't they? Yeah, uh, is this a surprise to you? I mean it it seems like at this point a news item like this It leads to the fact that developers can make a lot more money on a variety of other platforms Rather than keeping it within the xbox ecosystem Yeah, and you'll notice that sony is absent from this because sony Feels that has more to lose from allowing cross platform whereas everybody else has nothing but things to gain And it fits in with microsoft's continuing You know as we celebrate five years of satcha nadella being in charge of microsoft now. Could you believe it? It's his continuing move to push microsoft as a services company not just a Operating system and hardware company So he wants xbox to be the platform people game on whether they're using an xbox or not yeah Periscope which is owned by twitter And I actually had not thought about periscope in a while had some news today It's going to now let users add three guests to a stream So if I'm streaming I could add tom and roger and somebody else to my stream Audio only though for now, although the company says it's working on video People can also request to join a stream or can or can join and drop out at any point during that stream This is not unlike other services that already exist twitter also intends to bring this feature to its own live video option My first question was Well besides being petty insane who's using periscope because obviously people are how you're gonna find three people to be on your stream Yeah, yeah, I don't think the numbers are ballooning But but it but it certainly is a service But the fact that twitter has its own live video option You might say well, okay facebook owns facebook messenger and whatsapp and they do a lot of the same sort of things I guess that's true It just seems like those you those user bases are huge And as far as twitter live video and certainly periscope I'm not seeing a real ramp up in usage Yeah, and I mean we could we could focus on that a lot But I mean obviously that's why twitter wants to roll out a feature if they're not seeing a lot of periscope usage They'd want to roll out a feature and maybe we're wrong. Maybe periscope usage is carrying on I I think we all fall into the trap of saying well if I don't use it It's probably not used by anybody and the fact is The internet is not like that anymore back in the 90s and early 2000s You kind of knew what everybody on the internet used but these days If you look at the top social networks, you'll find that you probably didn't know q zone or q q Reach at and they're all huge Chinese social networks that are used by billions of people So I wouldn't be shocked even though i'm not putting this on the same level as those if periscope has a healthy number of users It's you know, it's just not in the top 20 or whatever Uh that are dedicated to it. It doesn't take as much to keep a system viable As a percentage of the audience of internet users as as internet usage skyrocketed over the over the past decade or so So I don't know this is maybe twitter's attempt to jump it out of being a niche product And and get in on on the fact that everybody wants to stream these days Well, and I always look at products like this as You know comparing it to google hangouts, which is what we're using for the video version of our show and and it has its limitations But for for the most part it works pretty well for for how we do things around here at dts Okay, if I was Streaming something and I could have three guests, but they were only audio It's very sort of radio call in type show even though they say that videos is is in the works That there is there is something to that There there there's probably a lot of folks out there who go, you know, this is exactly what I need I like this app. It's you know, it's right on my phone. It's it's mobile and and works well Yeah, and you know I don't I don't have a need to have three audio only people join my video stream Uh, but that's because we already have a thing set up Maybe if you're setting up something for the first time, this would be a great way to to bring in more voices Google announced two android features to assist people with hearing impairments. Live transcribe Is a limited beta that can recognize speech in near real time to facilitate conversation Has a round circle that shows you the noise level in case you want to move it closer to the conversation Vibrates after a period of silence to let you know someone has started speaking again And you can toggle between 70 languages though apparently in some of the reviews I read it It can recognize switches of language without you even having to toggle it It does not Store transcriptions on your phone or its servers and user conversations are not used to improve the machine learning So they're saying we're we're not going to keep this data. We're not going to use this data This is just so you can hear what's being said around you and apparently it works really well at doing that It's got great context Google showed off the fact that it can tell the the sentence I bought a new jersey in new jersey and capitalized the state while leaving the part describing the clothing Uncapitalized so it's pretty smart. The other product is sound amplifier for android 9 pi This was announced back in may at google i o and lets you adjust sound settings to improve your ability to hear This is for people who have hearing aids, but are using either their hearing aid Somehow with android over bluetooth or more likely just using headphones both of these Assistance the live transcribe and sound amplifier are going to come pre-installed on the pixel 3 Sound amplifier is available in the google play store today. And as I mentioned live transcribe is a limited beta So you can go sign up and and be and get an email when it's available for everybody Really excited about live transcribe not necessarily something that I will need But I would love to hear from somebody in the audience Who who's who gets in on this beta how it actually works because the idea of switching between languages during the same conversation and It being able to understand that and pick it up or yes capitalizing new jersey instead of a jersey sweatshirt that sort of thing I mean that's That is good stuff and it's going to be really helpful to a lot of folks as long as it works as advertised Yeah, no, absolutely And and feedback at daily tech news show dot com if you if you use this kind of thing Especially if you get in on the beta and you're allowed to talk about it, of course JP Morgan analyst samik chatterjee told investors monday that apple should acquire a company in the entertainment market and That netflix is the best strategic fit. Can you imagine apple buying netflix? Well chatterjee estimates that if apple Did buy netflix would have to pay 189 billion dollars You might say that's crazy who has that kind of money apple does apple has 250 billion dollars in cash currently Chatterjee also suggested that activision blizzard and sonos would be other good acquisitions for apple I don't think apple's buying netflix. No, and We I have had these conversations with many people Uh, not just about netflix but about what apple should buy but netflix is definitely one that comes up quite often And apple doesn't do this the reason apple has 250 billion dollars in cash is they buy small companies Beats was kind of uh, the exception that proves the rule in in being a bigger company still not nearly as big as netflix That they bought but most of the time they buy a company because they want the talent or the tech it has at a bargain price They don't buy Netflixes of the world and I don't see that changing anytime soon Especially because they're spending billions of dollars ordering original content They see their future as providing cloud-based services They're investing in data centers. They're investing in original content. They they will buy companies that provide help in executing that But it is just not apple's motive operations to buy the company that's already done it Yeah, I mean, I guess you could argue that it's a new world going forward for apple and things might change Especially because it wants to become more of a services company than a hardware company At least where it's bread and butter comes from but on the hardware side something like sonos Now that would make a lot of sense to me because sonos is makes very high quality well regarded audio products And that is something that well again, this sort of goes back to our our 2019 predictions episode where I Sort of predicted something that would be in line with with apple buying sonos smart speakers, but but I that would make sense to me in the same way that beats headphones made sense to me It was kind of weird at the time But sure it makes sense for apple to acquire a company like that something like netflix I don't I can't imagine this happening unless apples own netflix competitor Of which we have yet to see fails spectacularly Yeah, and that could happen too Netflix is worth 129 billion something like that right now They're assuming apple would have to overpay In order to get it so they'd have to pay 189 billion even at 100 billion Which is less than what netflix is worth right now That would take up such a large chunk of apples cash that I just don't see them doing it unless like you say sarah They decide to change how they operate and say, oh, we're not going to keep all this cash around anymore We're gonna we're gonna buy stuff the other side is I don't think netflix wants to be bought I think netflix would work very hard to avoid this because netflix wants to be the company That is up there in the fang right the facebook apple amazon netflix google Club they don't want to be owned by anybody else. I think reed hastings would work against this Yeah, I netflix doesn't see a big upside They're doing just fine right now Uh, the samsung rumors are coming in hot as we get close to the february 20th samsung unpacked announcement at mobile world congress Samsung officially announced it will be called the galaxy s10. No big surprise there Uh, it will use the snapdragon 855 chipset. No big surprise there The things that samsung has not acknowledged that seem likely would be a version that can connect to 5g Uh, we're starting to see 5g service available and samsung one is the kind of company that likes to get in early on that So a model with 5g wouldn't be a shocker. Uh, it's probably going to have a cut out rather than a notch for cameras We've seen some fairly credible leaked mock-ups of that uh prototypes of that and and samsung is putting out some phones with with the punch hole This would be probably an oval rather than a punch hole But I could see them doing that the more fanciful rumors Are an ultrasonic in-screen fingerprint sensor So a lot of the screen fingerprint sensors have to use optical somehow and still work with the screen There is an ultrasonic 3d one out there. Uh, that that makes more sense. It doesn't have to use the optics Uh, there's there's probably some take on face id. Uh, there would be an update for samsung That could happen and uh, I heard about the the terabyte storage phone rumor I don't think is entirely unlikely. Uh, but but would be interesting and we also may see samsung announce a foldable I don't think it would be a foldable samsung galaxy s10. Uh, there's galaxy fold galaxy f Galaxy x all kinds of of notions about what it might be called, but I wouldn't be shocked to see a foldable either All right, so what what uh, what strikes you as the most likely of these? still rumored uh components the 5g The notch obviously I said I said already are likely out of the the more fanciful ones I think the terabyte storage I I could totally see that I could see samsung Uh being able to say like let's let's distinguish yourself by having a laptop's worth of storage available I can't think of and I you know, and I'm you know, I'm 256 gigs on on my my current iPhone and I probably used about half of it and I always at every time I I upgrade I go Well, you know, let's get the full storage. You never know when you might need it and I never do I'm I'm I really really don't need it and I don't think I would need a terabyte of storage either But I also store a lot of things in the cloud So I I would also be interested to hear from someone who's like I need a terabyte of storage I do because I know that there's use cases out there Not crazy. Tom wants terabyte of storage for no good reason, but you actually have a good reason Send us that email, please I think an updated face ID facial recognition would probably be Interesting and if they do the fingerprint sensor in the screen and the facial recognition, they'll just you know They'll lord it over apple like we don't make the choice for you. You can decide which you want to use Yeah, exactly Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Now to kick around a little bit today. We're looking at a column from Danny Crichton at tech crunch This is part of his his sort of daily wrap-up of news. He's got other things in there, but Danny Titled one of his posts why nobody quits google or facebook Crichton cites the argument that people are just unaware and would galvanize immediately for other platforms if they were more aware But he rejects this as condescending Saying people know what they value They understand it and they are making an economic choice When they stick with google or facebook He says cost is the factor some alternatives cost money Other alternatives have switching costs like losing access to thousands of contacts if you go from facebook Messenger to something else or or whatsapp to something else Because you have to rebuild those contact lists You have to convince people to find you at signal or whatever you decide to use Or even just the the switching cost of learning a new interface if you go from instagram back to flicker Now all the buttons are in a different place and they have slightly different features and you can't do all the same things the same way Anyway, Crichton says after more than a decade of abuse We should look deeper at our analysis and perhaps conclude that these issues aren't abuse at all But rather a bargain a negotiation and one that people are quite willing to live with Now I I I sort of agreed with Crichton up until January 16th of last month's era When we had that Pew survey that showed that 74 of us facebook users did not know The extent to which their interests and traits were used to target them with ads So I think there still is not it's not that they don't know but maybe there's not a realization Yeah, I also and that that study is interesting because you say like we'll see people aren't informed If they if they were informed their behavior would be different and I'm just not sure that's true for a lot of folks I think that I think that Facebook and google Although facebook certainly in in the limelight to some extent on this as being a it's a for-profit company And they're selling your data and it's really bad and and you know, I think So many folks out there It's not that they don't understand how this works And maybe if they're if I tell them that at a dinner party they go oh, huh, that's crazy corporate life, huh? It's it's not it's not so much that that it there there's an alternative. It's that there's a there's sort of a uh You just kind of get used to the fact that a big company Does not have your best interest in mind and if you want the product then you deal with it I thought this a lot yesterday watching super bowl commercials, right because they're the best ones out there You know that had their 60 seconds and there's all the celebrities are in there and it's like time after time And then you say like who's commercials this who's commerce mariah's and got it. Okay very manipulative of you and I I find myself I've been doing that for a long time and I find myself feeling that way about most corporations even though they're full of Really good people a lot of the time and I I just I feel like most people Are in that same boat that that we're talking about as far as uh at facebook users Yeah, I or people who search things on google. It's like, I don't it's right there. I don't know It's what yeah, what else am I gonna do? Well, there's a there's a disconnect between The idea and the consequences right the idea of someone spying on you is great clickbait Like they're doing what they're looking at what I'm going to be outraged and I'm going to go on twitter and facebook But most people don't Actually go on twitter and facebook and complain about these you just see a lot of people angry and I'll make the very unpopular assumption that A lot of the conversation around What facebook particularly does with your data, but also google started With the snowden revelations and the suspicion that these companies were working with the government to surveil us and were amplified By the 2016 election where people felt especially if they were on the side of the losing candidate That these companies somehow manipulated the election. I don't think they did I don't think they're they're innocent of everything But I don't think they manipulated the election and I also I think it is overstated How much effect they had but it inflamed the tensions alongside a lot of other political inflammation that happened at that same time and now has sort of A penumbra has has has dissociated it from the election anger and become its own Self-sustaining anger that I don't think most people have I think most people are creeped out by the idea When they see the headline but in day to day use they're like, yeah, but I also get to see pictures of my granddaughter So I also get to you know send messages to my uncle I also get to do x y and z and so it's it's like it's like eating sugar We know it's bad, but man when you put a cookie in front of me I'm going to eat that cookie because you know what the cookie tastes really good and facebook is the cookie Well, and we've seen this happen Danny Crichton's comment about Well, okay, if you if you don't want to use facebook anymore But you want to have a social network and had to get everybody over to your your cool new platform It's almost impossible at this point. It's not impossible But it but it is we have seen this tried before and failed time and time again and it's it's It's sort of like if I were to feel that strongly about I do not want to be part of facebook anymore, but I really want to have these social connections I don't know what my options are I I cannot possibly expect to bring the you know the family over to some new network. It would be I don't even Just thinking about it doesn't sound fun at all But but that but that's a huge part of it too. It's like yeah, well it sucks, but everybody's here You know like the town square and and I think there is There's a sense of well, but how bad could it be? That's why 74% did not know the social network used a list of interests and traits to target with them with ads I bet most people knew they targeted with ads, but there was sort of a how but but how bad could it be? I get targeted with ads on tv too Right. There's a there's a there's a lack of realization of the difference Combined I think there's a little bit of the whole climate change issue going on where if you Start to warn people about something that doesn't happen right away They get numb to the warning and so all of these blazing headlines about privacy violations And someone's like yeah, but I'm still using facebook and my life's fine I haven't anything happened to me that start to feel like you know, I'm numb to that I don't really care about that And yeah, I think it's I I I do going back to the original article I do think it's a good point to say That just because somebody is an outrage doesn't mean they don't understand what's going on The fact that my Interests on facebook are getting me ads that are more cleverly targeted at me. I'm not outraged by that I understand what's going on and I would either choose to click on an ad or not But I I it's it's it's not that if I only understood this I would leave immediately. It's like, I don't know. It's it's I understand what's going on I understand why advertisers would want this and I understand my facebook who want to work with these advertisers And I think all about money. I think instagram is a really good example of that I know so many people Who like things on instagram because they know what kind of ads that will lead to like they They literally think like oh, you know, I kind of like that picture But I don't want to like it because I know that'll get me these kinds of ads Yes, uh, or or the other day Um, what was it that I I I wanted to oh, I wanted to use shazam For something but I was driving and I asked eileen. I was like, hey, can you shazam that she's like, yeah But then it's going to start recommending things based Really like you won't shazam this song because I and and I think there's more people think that way too They're like, yeah, I'm being tracked. So I will use that I will I will take that into account and and adjust my behavior accordingly Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's it's an interesting conversation and I have a feeling we're going to get some mailbag Good thoughts from the community from this. So keep them coming Also, thanks to everybody who participates on our subreddit. You can submit stories You can vote on others and help us make our show daily tech news show dot reddit dot com is where to go Also, if you want to hang out on a facebook group, well, we have a very nice one facebook dot com slash groups slash daily tech news show Let's check out the mailbag. Let's do it. So adam from cold cleveland, ohio adam I hope you're keeping warm man Says that uh, we were talking uh on fridays episode. I believe about the well, my particular, um Lack of usefulness, um, at least in my mind of a 3d or arc cameras is iphone stuff Adam says I work in the engineering architecture industry when we renovate buildings We typically do field work to document existing conditions There are tools for snapping 3d pictures that translate to cad software It would be great to pull up my phone for the same use Maybe not a tool for everybody, but would be helpful in our industry. That's a really good point Um, you know, I I'm certainly coming from the consumer perspective And it's always nice to be reminded of where something that I'm like Eh, it doesn't sound like a helpful feature or someone saying like, oh, it would be very very helpful for me Yeah, I I always stop myself when I say when I start to feel like yeah, but who wants that Because I know there's somebody right, right. Yeah, and they're like excuse you And so I I've trained myself to say I wonder who wants that please tell me And thanks. 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I bet that's what it is because it was really small. Yeah Did you did you pull the package inside? Uh, the package is still in my front porch. It's been a very wet five days. Um, no, I don't I don't yeah, I got you I got I got my I wasn't sure when it came because it was She snagged it Oh, she looks really good in it. She does She looks smart ellie ellie roger's daughter looks great Cute cute. Yeah, everybody listened to audio. I was like, what are you looking at? But they thought roger was wearing it and we're like, oh, he's so cute Hey, that works just as well All right, so show titles If we were to title this now it's we were to title this, uh, it's like eating sugar Hmm I like that one. I like that would do periscope Like periscope but for audio Uh Flickering out So much that Hey xbox crossing lines Crossing lanes Uh, no lines Yeah Periscope still exists. Uh, of course Facebook hits me but boy can he dance. Wow. That's a dark one Strike it rich with xbox. Go and give it to you Not Because xbox won't give it to you unless you're on sony that's I'm voting for that I can't quit you facebook I mean I I trust me I don't enjoy facebook I don't enjoy it. I don't like opening the tab Go into my timeline There are some nice updates from people. Yes, but most of the time I find it just an irksome Thing that I have to do but I can't quit facebook I would I would I would I would stop some In in many cases like my only communication with people I really care about and I I You know Wish that there were other options, but I don't have any I I can't quit it the only way to follow family members for me Family members are just people that I grew up with or were people that I'm I don't know. I'm I'm connected to on some level where it's just not I'm not gonna call them on the phone Or I don't know. I have like a friends list people owe me money keep an eye on People to keep his facebook friends facebook is like eating sugar or facebook. I can't quit you Um I would say is like eating sugar. All right done. I feel like we've used the can't quit you before Yeah, I feel like that's probably true Um Facebook is like eating sugar. I put it in online one of the doc roger Thank you So, yeah, um, we were we were talking before we broke for the news Right, right. Yeah, let's get back to the good stuff. How is hawaii? Uh, we I went on a submersible Which is not actually a submarine, but you sit below the water line Oh, it's like a boat, but it's got the it's got the the glass windows the reinforced glass windows So you can see out onto the ocean floor um That was really fun. Is the idea like it's like snorkeling you see lots of like cool Yeah, you can you can go out to places that that you wouldn't necessarily go snorkeling at unless you rented a boat And had to get in plus you're inside out of the rain. It was a rainy day when we went so that that was good Uh, and they have a diver who goes down and will like Find like bring up a sea urchin so you can get a close look at it She'll hold it up to the window or or she brought up an octopus like a little small octopus And and let us take a closer look at them Um, and you know, it's just pretty Yeah, that sounds great. Yeah There's a Spanish to balloon Yeah, we didn't see any shipwrecks. We did we saw Many people on the boat saw a turtle. I didn't catch it. Apparently it was there real quickly and then swam away but I did see a White tip reef shark Swam right up by the by the boat and how big is I'm not familiar with White tip reef sharks. They're first of all, they're kind of the man eaters. So they're not dangerous And they're like, I don't know probably the length of my arm Oh, okay. There's no maybe a little bit longer. Yeah, yeah, cool Uh speaking of turtles This is not a turtle living in the wild but I've got a I've got a neighbor who I don't know what's going on at that house, but it's just weird stuff It's like they technically seem to live in A trailer that's parked in front of the house and they got like power cords running to and from the house And it's all like, you know, they they've got it sort of padded down and the whole thing Is there someone else in the house? I don't the house never has any lights on The trailer always does and people come and go from the trailer. It's the whole thing's weird Um, and they've got some like classic cars out front. I just want to know more about these people Anyway, the other day and you never see anybody on the lawn. It's kind of They they did some actually really nice halloween decorations, but besides that it's it's Kind of barren the other day. There's a man. I've never seen before Walking two turtles on the front lawn. Oh Yeah, and I was like, you know odis and I are walking by as we do And I was like, oh my gosh, those are real, you know, because I just I don't really look like Toys or something at first. No, they were they were really cool Fun friendly turtles. I don't know who this guy was. He didn't seem to live there I didn't even ask just too much But it was one of those weird things where you're like, this is just a weird thing that you don't normally see Somebody walking some pet turtles on someone's front lawn of a very weird house to begin with turtle wrangler Turtle wrangler. Yeah, and it was funny because when I stopped and you know, I'm kind of holding odis because I'm like I just don't want him to like get confused and yeah make this weird Yeah, or just anything The yard is sort of up on a level so it was okay But I was still like, but as soon as I was like, wow real turtles the guy was like He wanted to tell me everything about them. He was very proud of his turtles. He was a turtle man It was cute turtle walker. Yeah, is he on the the equivalent of rover? Probably is yeah More of a niche network really Yeah, turn over your turtles tourist I I mean, I don't it's sort of like having any kind of Lizard reptile I mean a snake is out of the question, but I would have a pet lizard I would maybe have a pet turtle I dated a woman who had a pet turtle Yeah, it was part of the reason we broke up because I we argued about how she should be taking care of it Oh I've heard she was in she was studying dinosaurs She knew a lot more about reptiles than I did but I felt like she wasn't giving it enough heat I was probably wrong And you broke up over it Well, it was like one of the arguments towards the end. It wasn't it was indicative of yeah, she she might yeah beat beat She wouldn't keep you. I was probably reacting More angrily. Yeah, then then I should have for other reasons. So I had a friend with pet turtles that don't ever get a turtle. So all they do is poo All day and they snake Every animal, yeah If you want a turtle like animals a pet get a tortoise never have a baby human all they do is poop They don't poop most of the time I use it as rich rich fertilizer Do you by the way? We forgot to acknowledge this during the show today, but it's facebook's birthday today 15 years Yeah Well as we were picking on them in the show, isn't that great for you? It's their birthday They can cry if they want to It's it's funny that it's It's weird. It's like 15 years. Okay. That's a long time For a social network, certainly of that that hasn't kind of Gone out of style the way that so many of facebook's predecessors did like friendster Like friendster or my space or I don't know that's kind of it. I guess that were that were that big But yeah, the fact that facebook has Or what Orchid Or yeah orchids, right? Dogster like certain more that are still there Yeah, or we're um What's what was the one where you could make your own social network? Um, not zing uh How is it that I don't know this I knew people who worked there um Names escaping me but but anyway just the fact that facebook has has only ballooned in size over that amount of time is Something that social networks have never seen before Ning I was thinking of ning not ning Ning's back too. They're trying to to crawl their way back. Yeah. Yeah Crawl like a tortoise Like a tortoise across an elevated yard with a trailer and no offense to new I know it sounds really weird I tried to explain this to somebody the other day the the turtle story and they were like Sarah, what language are you even speaking? And I'm like, I know it sounds so weird, but I was there This really happened my weird neighbors with the trailer out front You know, they might be doing renovation and then and they're just I guess that's true. I thought of that like maybe it's just a really long term renovation Yeah That's true. Is it like in a family or is it just like a couple of people? I don't see any kids like if someone decided to do the renovation themselves and we're really in over their head They might be like we'll just live in the trailer and have the power lines go out to the trailer and then they kind of get stuck Doing that's true. It's like that since you moved into your place or is this like the oh, yeah No, no, no, and I mean this is also this is somebody who lives pretty close to me I must walk by four to five times a day because I'm always walking over to surround so it's like I am kind of nosy by nature, but I I do actually see people come and go from the house a lot and they have I mentioned they have sort of these kind of cool retro cars and one of the cars Um I won't explain it because you know too too much too too many details about someone's private life but uh one of the cars is is sort of this like muscle 70s car and The guy takes it to echo park lake which is a You know little park next to me and turns up the music really loud on saturday mornings and fixes it It fixes just works on this car. It works on the car. Yeah, he's got you know, he's got the hood open I don't know anything about cars. So I don't know what he's doing, but it's like it's it's it. Yeah He's looking good looking busy with his cool. Is he like in the 40 ish younger ish range He's in the older range. They're probably renovating the house It sounds like yeah, that's one of those things where there's some people that Like buy a house and they try to flip it like they do in real estate. Uh, they tell you to do in real estate seminars true Uh, it's easy. I don't know. You know, I should just ask them the next time someone comes out of that trail. I'd be like I'm sorry Can I just ask what is happening here with the turtles and the The power cords and everything just and they'll be like turtles. Was that guy back again? This means war there's no fence or anything either. It's like Without a fence how do you keep out the turtles? Yeah Listen, well, that's a very good point. Yeah, how do you expect to build a fence but the turtles will still get in They'll find a way they're slow, but they're steady What they do is they pay coyotes to fling them like frisbees over the top of the fence and they fall back down This is what keeps the coyote community alive This is why we have so many coyotes in LA because the turtles will just keep paying them I may have mentioned in my neighborhood that there are skunks and skunks are Very cute, but very stinky and you don't want a skunk to spray your dog or you or anything So when you see one which normally, I don't know. I mean, I haven't seen a skunk Since I moved to this particular house that I live in now since I was a kid maybe in a zoo Can't even can't really remember And they are they just happened to be in my neighborhood and Otis and I Had to do a little walk walks late at night the other night because we were waiting for the rain to stop Because it was just torrential and finally there was a break and I'm like it's midnight. We're going and We came across a skunk and the skunk kind of looked at us And Otis started to kind of look at me like This is a weird cat. I'm gonna freak out now You know because that's what he does And you know and I'm sort of you know, you're doing that thing or you're like I'm just gonna hold this leash or really tight and we're just gonna walk the other way Very quietly So that because the skunk was right next to us I mean if he wanted to spray us it would have been over And it just imagined like at that hour of the day what I would have done It wouldn't even be like a store open to buy tomato sauce to put in the bathtub for you You know, that's that that reminds me I should buy a couple of cans just to have Oh, just to have it. Yeah Anyway, what was it in the rain you Roger? Uh, I've seen no skunks, but I've seen like four opossums Oh, you're probably you probably don't need to stockpile tomato sauce. I've seen I've seen way too many coyotes and what What really I think is unnerving is how easily they blend like I've seen them dart between people people not notice Yeah, no, I see them wearing trench coats and buying sunglasses They're like they walk by they don't they don't make any noise. They don't like dogs like You know pan is like they don't do nothing They just they just take seats in the mcdonald's don't order anything Sometimes you think they're just a rock or something I've only seen one coyote, but I did I saw I saw one it was in the you know broad daylight he was just kind of Doing his walk and my dog and I were on ours and It was slightly unnerving, but nothing happened. Did Otis kind of notice like start did Otis kind of notice. That's good I need it. Well Otis will always notice a dog The Otis notice poses his noses are roses Otis takes stock in any dog that's not on a leash like if a dog is not on a leash He'll all again look at me and be like What's happening here? That dog's not on a leash. That's not right because he's never allowed to be off-leash Just like walking down the street. So when he saw the coyote, you could he was he was more of like That's that dog is just walking that dog just out there Where's the owner? You know, why is that dog looks so disheveled? But but yeah, the skunk was was was a real panic moment, but we got out. Okay. That's good That's good. Well, let's end our our video stream there on a good note Before I tell you my skunk story to the audio folks who should stick around because there's more to come