 by the early 20th century. Hmm, cool. I like the underpinnings idea. That seems to make sense. Could be rhyming slang, but since it's an Americanism, I feel like it would more likely just be, you know, like the brass tacks are sort of like the essential things that really hold the furniture together. None of those tin tacks, they just fall apart. Right. Well, if you want a good couch, make sure it has some brass tacks in there. Right. The facts. It needs some brass tacks for my dog crate. My couch has a bunch of screws and staples. Mine, too. Yeah, my couch, I think, is mostly staples and some screws. I want to recushion my cushions, but get down to screws just doesn't doesn't play. As I have an alternative meeting and the staples are the less solid part of it. So that doesn't work for them. Look, there's a reason we have brass tacks. All right, we somebody's already gone through and done all this algebra to figure it out. I would like my couch to be made only with brass tacks, please. You know, the game of the throne. The iron throne, the brass throne, copper throne. In the way, it's uncomfortable and cold. I think, yeah, nobody wants to sit on that thing. And apparently, in the books, apparently, it is very uncomfortable. They mentioned that it never gets brought up in the TV show. Yeah, the the blades are actually still sharpened. And yeah, when you sit in it, it actually digs into your skin. Yeah, well, because it's not like you use those blades, so they're going to stay sharp. Yeah. That rust, no, that's what was your your volume went back down again for those talking into my brain. All right, get that get that thing up in your face. Good girl, Lewis. All right, I think we're probably ready. Everybody. I. Well, I know I am. Roger. Yes. Dude. I don't know if you have any EQ on it, Amos, but if you can brighten it up a little, that might help, too. It's a little bit of Basie. Cocoa. All right, how about now? Oh, yeah, that's better. All right. Oh, OK, Miss Lane. Oh, I bet I know what this is. I prevail upon you to read line three today. You may prevail. Good. We shall overcome now. All right. Well, we'll begin in like 20 seconds. Here we go. All right. Fettle in for a good time and a great taste and a little history from Amos. It's going to be fun. Ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. Thanks to everybody who supports independent tech news directly. If you're not already, become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, November 28, 2018, in Los Angeles, I'm Tom Merritt. And back at Studio Fila and I'm Sarah Lane. And I'm Roger with The Fate. Incredible. And producer of the show. What are you trying to say? I I I made a boo boo. And I said you would have never had to say anything about it. I just need to to to to to repeat. Yeah, all right. Today, sometimes the person in Roger's seat, our associate producer, Anthony Lemos, a.k.a. Amos joining us as a guest today. How's it going, Amos? I'm doing well. This has been been a long time coming. I'm proud to be here. Yeah, yeah. We had an idea from one of our listeners to talk about the tech that folks in the military use to keep in touch with their families back home. And, and, Anthony, how long have you been in the service? Creeping up on my twenty fourth year. So we're going to get a kind of a through the year's view of how it's changed and where it is now in a little bit. But let's start with a few tech things you should know. That would be me. Repent Google has added fast pair Bluetooth device syncing for accessories to Android and promised a little ride for Chromebooks in 2019, fast pair automatically pairs accessories to any device logged into your Google account, meaning your headphones can automatically be paired to your new phone. Nintendo reported Wednesday that U.S. customers spent two hundred fifty million dollars on Nintendo products between Thursday and Monday last week. Lifetime sales of the Nintendo switch in the United States rose eight point two million as a result rose to eight point two million. Adobe Analytics reports that the switch was one of the topselling products across all categories for the weekend. During a hearing yesterday, New Hampshire Senator Maggie Hassan said she believed it was time to investigate loot boxes. She asked FTC Chairman Joseph Simmons if he would quote commit to undertaking this project and keeping this committee informed about it. Simmons said, yes, I love all the headlines are like FTC announces investigation into loot boxes. And the only thing the guy said was yes. I will keep you informed. All right, let's talk a little bit more about Project PHY, which is no longer called Project PHY. Google has changed the name of the cellular service to Google PHY. And still PHY the service used to only let you activate a sim on a select number of phones that supported PHY's multi-carrier feature. Project PHY would run on T-Mobile, Sprint and U.S. cellular, as well as provide VPN for you if you wanted it over some software that Google had that worked on the Google phones or worked on the Motorola phones and a few other phones that you could buy. But you couldn't activate it on anything else except those phones. However, if you activated it on the phone, you could take the sim card out and put it in another phone. It's just that you would only get T-Mobile at that point. It wouldn't be able to take advantage of the multi-carrier. Well, now Google PHY will let you activate on most Android phones and iPhones. However, there's still that issue of you're only going to use T-Mobile. You're not going to get the multi-cellular service. You're not going to get the VPN service, but everything else is there. The low rate, the rollover minutes, the ability to roam without any extra charge. You just get charged your minutes no matter where you are in the world. And in fact, they're doing some sales to kind of help you with this. They'll refund the price of a device you buy if you're going to use it for Google PHY with a travel card. Either I think it's either a flight on Delta or some Airbnb credits or something like that to kind of promote the fact that they've got a really good roaming plan. But I think this will make Project PHY a little more attractive to people. Well, and it's called Google PHY now, Tom. I'm sorry. Google PHY. Gotcha. I'm going to keep that for a while. Yeah, I don't know. Google PHY makes more sense branding-wise. Projects kind of sounds like we're just trying something out. It's a little tinkering project that we're doing. Yeah. OK. Well, the company sounds like it's serious about getting this out to more folks. Yeah. And W. Scottus 1 is saying like, so basically in announcing a feature I could already do by working around. Yes, they're basically saying we'll support that now. But you won't have to do the little dance where you go try to find a phone to activate your SIM on before you move it, which that's going to let a lot more people try this out. Anthony, have you ever used Google PHY? I have not. But this is very interesting to me because a lot of people are overseas and would love to have something like this military-wise. You get stuck with these crazy contracts and things like that when you go overseas and try to get a phone. And a lot of times something just as simple as this that you'd be able to use on both sides of the ocean would be really helpful. So this is interesting to me. Yeah, just and it's pretty easy to sign up for. I signed up for it when I had a Nexus 5X. I just had them send me a SIM card. You popped it in, you launch an app and you activate. So I suppose you'll just have to get an app from the Android store or the iOS store now to do it. There may be a different way of activating. I haven't figured that part out yet. But the SIM card will work. So there you go. Sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that YouTube is planning to scale back original scripted programming starting in 2020. YouTube's Robert Kinkel says the company is shifting towards free viewing of originals. YouTube is also testing plans where premium subscribers get episodes early or with extended cuts. Yeah, this is interesting. I think it's clear that YouTube realizes the perception of them no matter the reality. You know, the karate kid spinoff is great. People love it, but the perception is I don't want to pay YouTube for original content. Yeah, I'll rent a movie from YouTube. Maybe I'll pay for YouTube TV service. I don't want to pay them for things to watch on YouTube. It just doesn't feel right to people. So this seems like a pretty smart move. I wonder what the what the user base of YouTube bread is these days because this this seems to be, I guess, Apple aside, even though technically Apple is still rumored to be launching a bunch of original programs. But this seems to be a trend cutting back on stuff that is more expensive for the company with with perhaps diminishing returns as far as as far as getting new users and having folks be paying money back. Facebook is another company that comes to mind. But but yeah, it's people people think of YouTube as this is where I watch stuff for free. And that doesn't mean they can't have originals. It doesn't even mean they have to get rid of YouTube premium. I mean, talking about premium and formerly YouTube red. Yeah, well, and talking about premium is sort of a way to give you bonuses, right, rather than a subscription service. I think that fits more into the YouTube ethos of like, yes, I can watch it for free. I will pay for extra things if those things are there. You see some major YouTube channels that will do that. Like they'll do early releases or maybe some some special bonus videos for their super fans that want to subscribe to a channel. But all of those channels still put out their main video for free ad supported. What excites me about this is that, you know, YouTube just recently started joining this whole TV craze and trying to get this original program and things like that going on. But now they're they're shifting their focus pretty early in the process. And that really shows that it's it's valuable. It's it's changeable. And they're recognizing that it's not they're not set in their way so much that they're not willing to change the direction as as they see the market change. And overall, this market is maturing. This is an example of the shakeout where it says, maybe another subscription service is not going to work for us. We'll leave that to Netflix, Hulu and Prime Video. You're seeing the same thing with Warner, where, yes, it has to do with the fact that AT&T bought them. But when you step back from that, here's another example of a company shutting down some streaming services, because for whatever reason, they they just can't compete as well with services. So the complaints about there's too many of these services. I've always said when the market matures, you'll that'll become less of a problem. And here's another example of that. LG announced that Brian Kwan, head of the profitable TV, audio and PC segment of LG has taken over as LG's head of the less profitable division of mobile phones, or at least he will take over starting December 1st. Kwan will remain head of LG's home entertainment business. He's not leaving that business that he has turned into a very profitable business. He's just going to take over the mobile phone business as well. LG's current mobile head, Huang Zhang-Huan, will lead the company's Convergence Business Development Office. And LG's president and CFO David Young will take on more day to day responsibilities, while the CEO, Joe Song-Jin, focuses more on strategy and planning for the future. These feel like parallel moves here. David and Brian Kwan being pushed forward, saying you guys are doing great. Whereas Joe Song-Jin and Huang Zhang-Huan say being moved into a strategy position, which I can't tell if that's just sidelining them. Or if it's like, well, you guys are really good at future stuff. You're just not good with the actual execution of things day to day. Especially when you have something called the Convergence Business Development Office. Yeah. Which is like one of the most meaningless titles. I'm sure it's very important. Sure, it means something to LG, but it's not very clearly apparent from the name, what that could mean. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like if Brian Kwan is any time an executive is doing great in some areas of a business and is thrown one that is flailing, I guess, for lack of a better word, it's because the company wants it to succeed. Yeah. They want to turn that around. Well, and that's a good thing. I think a lot of people thought maybe LG should just give up on mobile and get out of the phone business, even though they make really good phones. A lot of people have felt the same thing about HTC. They're like, look, you can't compete with Xiaomi and Huawei and ZTE. You might as well just fold up because it's either Samsung and the iPhone or these mid-tier companies that are eaten up the middle and you can't compete. And LG is saying, no, I think we can. We just need to put the right person in charge. It'll be interesting to watch and see what LG comes out with. Well, we might get our first look. I mean, it's pretty early in his reign, but LG is going to have a big press conference at CES on that Monday at CES. It'll be interesting to see what the messaging is, even if it's too early for any products to really be impacted by Kwan. Instagram announced new features for visually impaired people, allowing screen reader software to describe photos by reading custom descriptions that are added by users who upload photos. Now, if a user doesn't add a description themselves, Instagram will attempt to describe what's in a photo using AI and then read it. It's automated description of a photo out loud when the photo is scrolling by. Users will have to go into a photo's advanced settings to add one manually. So this is certainly an extra step, but if you've got visually impaired folks who are following you, it is really cool that the company is allowing this. And Facebook's been doing this for some time, too. Yeah, that's true. Facebook has been ahead of Instagram on this, and this is fantastic if you need that kind of accessibility. I don't I'd be curious. I know we have visually impaired people in the audience. So if you try this out and you can tell which ones are the AI descriptions, let us know how good they are. I'd be I'd be curious if you can't tell. I mean, I think that would that would tell you something right there. But I'm very curious to know how good this AI reading of it, because that's significant. I'm a little frustrated with Instagram burying the the alternative text in the advanced settings. A lot of people don't even know there are advanced settings in Instagram. It's almost grayed out at the bottom of the of the post screen where you pick your options. So not a lot of people are going to do this, sadly. I wish they would make that more prominent and say, Hey, you might want to describe this for people who can't see it. But that get that said, maybe these AI descriptions end up being pretty good. Yeah, yeah, I I I would be curious. I don't know if any of you have used green reader software. I have not personally, but I I have a mind to try it out just to see what what stuff I get back. But yeah, anybody in the audience feedback at Daily Tech News Show. Yeah, have you ever run into any any any friends or anybody who's needed this sort of thing? This is actually one of those things that, you know, Instagram, such a visual medium that I would never be personally never considered using it for visually impaired people. Like, how do you adapt that to see that they're using AI to do that? When the people the setting that they hide isn't being used. It actually gives me a little bit of hope for AI. So this thing, you know, one step further away than I thought it was. I mean, if you compare it to Facebook and and how good it has gotten at detecting faces of all of us or friends or suggesting, oh, do you want to tag this person? And it's pretty usually right. I I I'd love to know. It's like, is this is this a picture of Sarah Lane? Or is it more of like, this is a picture of a woman in a chair? Yeah, we're wearing a feather shirt or it's it's a yeah, I'm really curious. This is a cloud in the sky. Like, no. Possibly flattering, I guess. I don't know. But yeah, I'm curious about that, too. And yeah, if if folks like are like Amos and hadn't really thought of visually impaired people using Instagram because it's pictures, folks don't want to be left out of the conversation. Right. If if Instagram is where folks are are trading information and talking about things and commenting with each other, you want to be part of that, even if the picture is described to you. That that's still a good experience in a lot of cases and you feel part of it. Instagram is over a billion users. There are going to be quite a few visually impaired folks that can take advantage of this. Yeah. So good on you. AWS Ground Station has launched AWS, of course, Amazon Web Services having a big conference right now with lots of enterprisey stuff. You can check out some good resources out there like ZDNet to find out what's going on there. But one that caught our eye to talk about on DTNS is the AWS Ground Station, which is meant to make it easier for satellites to send data back to Earth. AWS CEO Andy Jassy says it's the first fully managed ground station as a service moving data from satellites into AWS data centers. So customers will pay per minute of downlink time. AWS has two stations that will be ready to go this week. They hope to have 12 operational by the middle of next year. And the idea would be you don't have to set up expensive downlinks. You just point your satellite at AWS and then you you have an AWS instance where your data is securely shared with you. And your data goes from above the clouds into the cloud and to your place to business. AWS is also partnering with Lockheed Martin on a network of low cost ground based antennas to help capture that satellite data and move it into the network as well. Well, the other day we sort of wondered aloud if there was anything Amazon wouldn't get into. And I think the answer is no. Alison Sheridan was joking with me on text message. She's like, so now you can send your your satellite all events on basics things into the cloud or into orbit and and start sharing your data over your Amazon web service instance. This this is crazy, though, right? The it's the natural outgrowth of, hey, we're a cloud service. What else needs to share data that's really hard that we can make easier? And then that's what AWS is doing here. This really brought to my mind how much we're still using satellites because I still had that stigma in my mind that satellite communication is so slow and so unreliable because of weather and this and that. But then if Amazon's getting into it to have these ground stations set up and partnering with Lockheed Martin and things like that, then there's probably a lot more satellite information out there than I'm aware of. And that's and a lot more satellites going up for experimental reasons, you know, not just communication, but also for for for other sorts of tests, CubeSats, stuff like that. So this could this could actually revolutionize satellite activity by helping make it easier to to use as much as CubeSats have revolutionized the ability to send something into orbit for cheap. This this could make it cheaper to keep in contact with it. Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech headlines dot com. So a background Veterans Day, big Jim, host of tech and trade and a long running DTS patron suggested that we talk about how soldiers use tech overseas to stay connected at home. Anthony, aka Amos here is just finishing up his stint in the Air Force and generously agreed to talk to us that both about how it is now, but also how it was when he first entered the service more than 20 years ago. Amos takes through it. So I was thinking about this and going back into 1997 was my first deployment, which is probably before some of our audience was even born. Possibly, yeah. We I was I was in Saudi Arabia in a little little compound and most of our communication was by USPS, you know, the grand old snail mail post office. Gotcha. Oh, my gosh. It was it would take three to four weeks for a letter to get through a package would take even longer. Most people didn't have email at the time. Again, this is 97. So AOL was really starting to catch on and in proliferate. And but we didn't have email accounts at work and couldn't get to a lot of the email servers at work. And we didn't have Wi-Fi or anything else like that going on. There was there was no computer areas that you could go to and use. And we had what was what's called the defense switched network, which is a telephone line that the Department of Defense runs called DSN. And we were limited to one 10 minute phone call every two weeks. Whoa. So it improved a year later in 98, when I when I deployed to the same location. Everybody had email by then we had a USO calling center and they would give us AT&T gift cards like the holidays where we call home. But it was still a long distance phone call and it cost like a minute or a dollar or something per minute. But it got a lot a lot better, even though the DSN was still limited to 10 minutes every two weeks. We're still just talking about voice. We're not even talking about data yet. Oh, yeah, we're just purely voice. Yeah, this is this is this is really a hard time. And from what I understand, this is a lot better than what it was before I came in, you know, 10 years prior to me coming to the military. It was mail only like if you couldn't write a letter, you didn't communicate. And there's a lot of people use that to their advantage because they didn't really particularly like their home life or whatever. Some of them were the opposite and you'd have people trading your 10 minute phone calls for packs of cigarettes and things like that. It sounds archaic, but it happens. Wow. And my next deployment after that was in 1999, we went to a bare base for Operation Allied Force. DSN and USPS were the only ones we had. And again, you're still limited to your two or your 10 minute phone call every two weeks. And at that time, I had a computer that we'd brought from our shop back home and talk to the com guys. I was like, hey, can we just go ahead and get a little connection here? You know, and they allowed us to hook that computer up so we could use email and we could surf the web a little bit and, you know, maybe do some chat rooms, things like that. But we just had the one computer for 300 of us that were all deployed at this one location because of you. You're the one who brought brought the computer. Otherwise, you wouldn't have had one, right? I'm also the one that bought the cigarettes to con the guy and con the guy to the com. Because at the time, we also had just a little shop shop at and they'd only get so many, you know, supplies. So if you didn't bite on the open market there in Turkey, then you weren't going to get it. My next deployment was in 2008. We've been at nine years or so now. Yeah. Facebook and Twitter became allowed to be used on Air Force Networks. And this was a big jump. We go from DSN, which is phone calls and post office and maybe trading some cigarettes so you can hook up a computer you brought yourself to Facebook and Twitter. That's that's crazy. Yeah. And the problems with Facebook and Twitter were, especially in 2008, everything was on Facebook and Twitter. They weren't paring it down. So you'd have all these friends posting all these crazy things that you couldn't have on the government computer. Meanwhile, you log on just to chat, but some of this other stuff pops up and you start getting in trouble for what other people are posting their feeds. I personally never use Facebook at work. I just want to deal with it. Yeah. Just some of the groups that I have that are really funny groups, but they have crude pictures, things like that is not worth it. And then 2010 was my next big deployment and USO, as I mentioned before, it was a lifeline. They had an entire center built up where they had services where you could call home. They had phone lines that you'd be able to use. You could sign up and call for a certain amount of time. They had phone cards that you could use. They had computers set up to Skype back and forth to the states. It was a slow connection, but it was available. They had this one thing because I went during the holidays and they had this one thing where I was a volunteer there. And what I would do is one of my duties there was to go into this booth and we had a library of books and we'd actually record many DVDs of soldiers and airmen and sailors reading these books to their kids. And then we bail it out to their kids for free. That's really cool. And part of me, and this is getting a little sappy here, but part of me knows that there are some of those people that read those and then went off into the field. And that was the last communication they had with their family. They got mailed off, you know, and that that was a huge thing. That USO, they had they had Xboxes and Play Stations. And it was just a great way you could hop on the Xbox, sign into your Xbox Live account and play with your kids back home. Yeah, that's cool. It was amazing. And then my final deployment last time I went overseas for deployment purposes was 2014. We had Wi-Fi in the dormitories, which were basically just trailers, but whatever, still better than living in tents where it was in 97. And the USO is still a big part of that because they not only operated a lot of the Wi-Fi locations, they still operated the the Xbox and PlayStation locations and the morale tent and things like that. And they had they brought in shows and everything else. But having Wi-Fi brought its own problems because now everybody has connected devices with low-fusion sensing and you can't have everybody turn it off. It's like get on an airplane until everybody turn their cell phones off. Half the people don't do it. Yeah. So now, you know, you had to limit the Wi-Fi to just the living area because you couldn't take your phones to work and stuff because they didn't want people seeing how you were being tracked into work and putting your phones away and stuff like that. So it came with its own problems. But on the flip side, I could sit in the comfort of my own bunk and Skype my family or FaceTime my family back home. And it's been a huge difference in that, but 17 year span. Ridiculously easy. Now, if you're out way in remote areas, totally different story, of course. There's no Wi-Fi setup. You still get your DSM phone calls if the connections going through and we go back to the satellites there. But yeah, it's still it's gotten so much better and it really depends on your location. Now, when when you're in a remote area, I mean, obviously, if it's remote, it's probably not even going to have coverage in a lot of cases. But let's say there was coverage. Is that allowed to have your own cell phone? Or is it is it the problem of like, no, we don't want anyone here to have cell phones on the field because again, they could be tracked. So again, that's one of those things where they can tell you no, but someone's going to sneak away through and then we have some contractors that are allowed to go off base and they may live downtown and you can sublet a SIM card, which is one of the things that I did in 2010. And it adds an extra level confusion, but a lot of these places are so remote. There's no service. There's no civilian towns anywhere near it and they won't have Wi-Fi on the base at all. So you're basically limited to just DSN, your three week turnaround on a letter that you write back home and things like that. It's it's still it's not nice in some places. Yeah, I mean, it sounds actually really lonely, at least at times. I was actually I was kind of surprised that Twitter and Facebook, even though I know it's if someone's being inappropriate, then you're the one who gets in trouble. But 2008 is before a lot of folks were on Twitter or Facebook, at least if you think of the general population. So it surprises me that the the Air Force was was on top of that so early. I mean, I only started Twitter in 2007. Yeah, a lot of that was just pressure of people not being able to reach folks back home. And it was another lifeline that's very low bandwidth when you're talking about just chatting back and forth. And there's if you if you could break out your messenger into a separate window and close out the window, your chat would actually really be pretty quick. And it increased a lot of the connectivity for people. Sometimes on just during base exercises, you're not allowed to, you know, break out and talk in yourself on things like that. So you can sit there at your computer and just tell people, hey, babe, I'm going to be home late tonight because yeah, yeah, things are just going down or whatever. But really a lifeline, just a little communication sources like that were just amazing. Wow, quite an evolution. Yeah, well, thank you, Avis for for sharing that with us. And folks, if you've got more questions, we can always shuttle on Amos's way at feedback at DailyTechNewShow.com. Thanks also to everyone who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on others at DailyTechNewShow.Reddit.com. I will be looking for yours tomorrow when I do Daily Tech headlines. And facebook.com. Slash groups slash DailyTechNewShow is another way you can be part of the conversation. And in fact, you can email us too. And then it goes in the mail bag and sometimes we read them like this one. Yaru in Malaysia weighed in really good information. We kind of kicked around the idea of does the world need physical cartridges anymore when we were discussing Sony's handheld patent story yesterday, Yaru points out that for consoles and dedicated gaming platforms, retailers still play an important role in supply and marketing. And as a rule, the companies try to placate them. This is one of the many reasons why digital games have the same MSRP as much as physical ones despite the lower cost as to not alienate those retailers. When Microsoft announced the Xbox Monthly Games program some months back, got a lot of pushback from independent retailers because software sales are important and those retailers threaten to not support Microsoft hardware anymore. On the gamer side, Yaru says, while I'm generally pro-digital, I'm against getting rid of physical sales entirely. We're still sort of in limbo when it comes to ownership of games. In addition to the option of being able to resale your games, we live in a world where DRM is getting tighter and tighter as the companies put more controls and restrictions in their physical media, despite it's downside, gives you that feeling of control and ownership. Yeah, we got a few emails from people who are wanting to have physical game cartridges pulled from their cold dead hands before they give them up. And if you are, if you are someone who feels that way, you can come up with all the reasons why physical cartridges shouldn't go away and they're great reasons. My only reaction is, and I'm curious, Amos, if you think about it this way too, is a lot of people just don't want to deal with them anyway. You can say like, hey, cartridges aren't heavy. You can carry them around with you, but people sometimes are like, yeah, but I don't want to have to remember to put them in the bag and maybe I'll lose them. And you can say that silly as the trade-off for the benefit of cartridges, but I think that's the way things are gonna go. Amos, what do you think? I think there will always be a market for cartridges because there will always be people that are using different systems in different locations, such as a deployment, you can take your games with you without taking your box with you. But I go personally almost entirely digital if possible, because mostly because I have two PlayStation 4, so if I buy it on my account that my kids can play on one PS4, while I'm playing upstairs as a guest on the other PS4, and we can play against each other, just buying the game one time. So there's, it's messy. Well, thanks to Yaru for the follow-up email, and also thanks to Anthony Limos, AKA Amos, for bringing your wealth of knowledge to us all today. Where can folks keep up with the other stuff you're working on? 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Yeah, that was, so I've had this head cold for a couple of days now and I was hoping to really muscle through it and I didn't want to chew my gum because I've got my mic turned up so loud I can hear myself chew and I was like. Started coming back right as I was getting ready to start talking to him like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, Roger's been fighting a cold for weeks now, too. I don't even know what it is. This is kind of, you won't go away. My chest is less watery than it was before, so that's good. That's always good. So there's, IG can see FOMO. Get it, Instagram can see if you're missing out. Oh, okay, okay. There's also, what was it? Where was it? Oh, from snail mail, the video chat or stars and bites forever. Stars and stripes forever. That's kind of, that's kind of clever. From still, that's good too. And then Instagram can see for you, except see for you is the letter C for number four of the new. I don't know, what do y'all like? Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo. Roger will play music while we decide. I like stars and bites forever. That one's not bad. Good, done. Benito complete. Cut it, bring it, done. Yeah, it's not funny. I find it interesting that even in the remote areas, they'll still do DSP, they'll still do the voice calls. I think that there would be a way to now do data that would be less costly and more efficient. Maybe there is. The thin line is essentially data, but because voice is so, it's controllable because you have to have a certain device to be able to use it. Yeah, yeah. So if you just allow data, then all of a sudden you can, it's a whole other. Security. Exactly, it can be breached, so. Yeah. Especially until the quote, unquote enemy, the adversary finds out where you are and how many people you have there and until there's enough information about your base, anything that you can control, you will. Yeah, sure. And then once that really gets out and it's kind of known, hey, the military's here, or the US military's here and they got this number of people, then things start loosening up because now the element is. Well, and the thing is, high level, properly implemented encryption is probably actually, even on the internet, more secure than that voice call. There are so many ways to go wrong in implementing it, right? Whereas the voice call stuff, they've been doing that for a long time. They know exactly how to do it right, right? So it's trustworthy for that reason. Yeah. Like the satellites are going up, they're still using 1960s technology because they know it. Yeah, satellites, I wonder if there's a good person to speak to what satellites are like now, because yeah, satellites are not Telstar anymore. They're a lot more sophisticated than that, I'm sure. It just struck me that they were doing the ground things and I was like, well, that just means that it's gone somewhere past where my perception is because my perception is still 20 years old. Yeah, it makes sense. You get what, 128K down and... Yeah, you can get satellite internet that's faster than 128K, right? Yeah. But down at least for sure. A lot of times the up is the hard part. With that and the lag, because you're dialing into the internet, dialing into an ISP to send out and then receiving by a... By a... By a... Yeah, I know some people who were doing that and go just a couple of years ago and they're like, what, we can actually get like fast and... Do you watch videos on your internet? Like, yes. You can get some Indiana, you can get some fast and... Well, we're losing you, Amos. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm not trailing off. You're starting to lean. Your satellite's going out of orbit. Yeah, exactly. The date quill is starting to kick in again. Um, to do... So probably should take off in like four minutes, I guess. Okay, yeah. Well, let's keep... Hmm, we hadn't figured... We should have had me start the call, shouldn't we? Yes. Well, I think... I think about it. You can't stop the broadcast without... Yeah, you can stop the broadcast now. Well, we're going to stop a little early today because Roger has to go somewhere and we didn't plan well. So sorry, the video is a little shortened today. Thank you all for watching, though. Audio folks, stick around, though. We'll still have some more to come then. Yes. Go ahead and stop the broadcast.