 Did he go partying the night before? Did he have a hangover? Well, you know what's the name? It's all of that. Mike Tyson gave him some little pack. I don't know what Mike was trying to do. Maybe Mike was trying to help Bud. But he gave him, when he went to that podcast, a little value pack. And you know, he over there getting high every day. We got the English rules. I don't know what he's saying. The Mike Tyson. Oh. Yeah, we on boss talk, one on one, one on one. Yeah, we going to talk. Going from training basketball players and football players and dealing with them. When you talk about fighting, it's totally different. It's totally different, right? But over the years, I mastered it. I got it figured out now, you know what I'm saying? But it took time. So we're working with Earl. When I first started training him, I knew what I was doing, but I didn't know what I was doing. You know what I'm saying? I knew how to get him in shape, but I didn't know how to make him a monster. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So at first, what I was trying to do, I just had him in shape. And he going off his natural talent, natural ability. And a lot of trainers won't be transparent to be real in that regard. You know, some people get up and, man, I know what I'm now, now, now, now, because you got to understand what his body responds to. And I know what his body responds to because the results speak for themselves, right? So what were you in charge of? Because when I think about a box, I think about they have multiple trainers or coach. So when you say make him a monster, I think about somebody who's making a monster as a person who's actually teaching him the techniques, the boxing, and all of that. No, no, no, no, no, that is a part of it. That's an element of a part of it. So don't get it twisted. So it was a form of a monster, you talking about making him endurance-wise? Yeah, in fact, so my philosophy was to try in his body where he was a machine. That was my, when I say make him a monster, into physically making him a machine. I don't do the boxing technique, that's not my lane. Derrick James, he's trained under your last year, he's great, been with her up before I even met him. He's phenomenal at what he do. He got a lot of great top boxers at the moment, you know what I mean? So that, Derrick James was in charge and he always been working on the technique and the game plan, et cetera, et cetera. But when I came in, my goal was to make his body unbreakable, you know what I'm saying? That when he get punched, he don't feel it. And when he punch somebody else, then he break them. Okay, here's the, and the elephant is in the room, so I definitely gotta ask you about this. Like coming out the other night, when me and my wife, we was over at my partner, I was watching this fight. And when we was over there, when he comes out, I'm looking at his face. Adrol Spence Jr.'s era, or will it be? And I'm looking at just his posture. And I was like, I was like, I'm trying to figure this is what I'm seeing out. And then when he get in the ring, I'm looking at him. But I'm still saying he don't look like the Earl Spence to me. And this was before. And that's crazy because he and I wasn't sitting together. We were sitting, I'm sitting with the girls, he's sitting with the guys. And we both felt the same exact way. Why is that? You know what I mean? Before he started fighting, I'm like, that don't look like the same Earl Spence like we normally see. No, let me stop, cause we rookies, okay? I'm a damn rookie, okay? No, no, no, listen. I'm not into it like you. No, hold on, I'm gonna show you something real quick. Let me show you something. This is, this is, this ain't no impromptu, right? Hold on. Now, what day did he fight on? He fought on Saturday, 29th. 29th, right? Now, hold on, I want you to see something real quick. What's that date say? Hold on. What did they say? Let's say the 20th. The 20th? This is a woman. This is not a man. What's she say? Earl need, let me see. Hold on, what's she say? Great to find you. Great to find you. This is a woman. Earl, Earl, from what I see, Earl need you for his strength because he is not as ripped up as he used to be when you trained him, okay, bye. And that's on the 20th. That's on the 20th. That's on the 20th. And that's somebody around. I received, now she's a trainer cause I trained her. Yeah. So she knows what she talking about. So she's a trainer. You trained her. I trained her. And I got so many calls about Before the fight. Oh wait, I can show you way more receipts on people that was like, yo, we don't, like he ain't looking the same, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. You know what I'm saying? So me, I seen a lot of things before the fight that I didn't like. You know what I'm saying? But I never spoke on it publicly because if I say something, Blue Ray or Hater? You hate me. Because he not training with you. How long ago did you stop training him? Well, I trained him for the Pacquiao fight. Okay. So that wasn't, that wasn't far. Yeah. That was like two fights before this one. So like, I had messed up. I had messed up. So six months ago you stopped training? No, no, no, no, no. That was like maybe about two years. Three years. About two years. Okay, that's what I'm trying to do. So like I said, so I trained him. 11 fights, then I went three without him. Then he brought me back for Pacquiao. Then he went two without me. Okay. So why did he stop? I have no, no, no, listen. I don't mind talking about it. I have no idea. Everybody, I've been since the day, the fight, the first fight, the Michael Garcia fight, he didn't use me. I have been getting DMs, email since, since 2018, 19, whenever you find Michael Garcia, people asking, wondering why, what matter of fact, I did a video on YouTube. Nothing ever happened. I was just over at his house for the Super Bowl. We kicked it, watched the Super Bowl together. All that. Like, ain't nothing ever, listen, ain't nothing ever happened. It was, I guess it was just a business decision on his end. Like, he just chose not to train with me. Okay. For whatever reason. But when you've seen him come out, that's the question I had with you that night. What did you think? I mean, that'd be real. No, no, I don't, I don't mind. When I seen him, I just felt like he wasn't conditioned. That's what I felt like. Before he even took one punch. No, for sure. Because I seen it in the, in the, in the, what's that? The, the media workout. That he's matching game plans and wits against somebody of your caliber. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I felt like he's by the one condition. And that's just my personal opinion. Somebody of your caliber. How do you feel about Matt? I mean, and I, and I'm not a professional like you. I ain't watching in detail, but when he got hit, even in the first round. That comes from with the jab. Down goes Spence. It seemed like, oh, when he hit. Favors Spence. That comes from. It didn't seem like it was the same, you know, the effectiveness was not there. Yeah. Am I tripping or did you see the same thing? No, of course. The world seen it. No, I'm just saying, cause I'm, I don't, I don't try not to be no professional, but I watched a little bit. But, but. I'm not like you though. But certain things are obvious. That's what they say. Yeah, it was obvious. So he, when he hit, it didn't seem like it had no effect. And when he got hit, it seemed like it was very effective. Okay. First of all, I, I said, the way in which he was boxing, to me, it'd be looking like, you know, when somebody had a hangover or drunk, because to me, cause first time he got hit, I personally, until they did the replay, I thought he tripped over his foot. That's how it looked to me. Until I saw the replay and I was like, oh, he did get hit. But that's how it looked to me. It looked like he was not, you know, the stands wasn't good, the structure, it just didn't look right to me. So that's why I felt like, okay, did he go partying the night before? Did he have a hangover? Well, you know what's name, Mike Tyson gave him some little pack. I don't know what Mike was trying to do. Maybe Mike was trying to help Bud, but he gave him, when he went to that podcast, a little, little value pack. And you know, he over there getting high every day. We got the A.S.H.R.O.M. So I don't know, but. Well, I don't, well, me, well, I don't, well, like I say, I haven't been in the camp in a while. So you don't know certain things? I hadn't been around him in a while, you know what I mean? Cause when I was trying to him, we was together all the time. All day. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, there's a lot of things that I haven't, I can't talk about it because I'm not around like that. You know what I'm saying? But when you've seen that, being that you tied to him. I heard it. Like everybody else. I can imagine. Bro, my little boy right here, bro, let me tell you something. My little boy, I didn't even know he watched it. My little boy got YouTube on his phone. My little boy came to me and said, right, this is my, he right here, bro. He came to me because I had used that as mama house when the fight came on. So, you know, I went and watched the fight. And so in my head, I was like, man, I'm glad my little boy didn't see that. And bro, I put my right hand to God, bro. He came to me. He said, daddy, why uncle? Cause he called him Uncle EJ. He said, why uncle EJ didn't train with you? He was like, cause daddy, he don't look the same. This is an eight year old saying this. He was like, daddy, I can't ever watch that again. Bro, that broke my heart, bro. And it's crazy because if y'all were so successful together, you would have thought that he would have, you know, rocked out with you even, cause he could have had two, couldn't he? Yeah, for sure. You don't have to just have one. Yeah, no, no, he could have worked with me and another strength condition, of course. I don't have an issue with that. As long as, in my opinion, as long as they doing the things that are necessary to benefit his body and to make sure that he's at optimum shape. Yeah, for sure. Because everybody don't know what they're doing. Not because you got a big name. Don't mean you know what you're doing. Correct. Not fast. Do you think that, like you've done a lot of training, man. And your training is very extensive. Do you think it just was something that he just, was it unbearable at this time? Did you keep going? Did you pressure him so much to where he's like, man, let me get with somebody else who might know how to do it in a way to where it's not too much pressure. Cause you might be over there putting that real pressure down. You growin' every time, nigga. Like you excel like this time we gon' do 35. This time we gon' do 25. So man, so what happened was like when I first started tryin' to err, we kinda go back to what we was talkin' about earlier. I started studying Bruce Lee. Okay. So I studied Bruce Lee and my mentor, Beast, right? Beast and then another guy from a crew called a Barbarian named Devon Sosa. They call him Zef, Zachaveli. Like these two of the strongest dudes in the world. This is documented, right? They got my brothers. So I started, you know, hitting them up like bro, like how to make somebody like super strong, woo, woo, woo. And then I was studying Bruce Lee. So they gave me some advice and what I studied from Bruce Lee and what I did was I took all the information that they gave me, whipped it up and boom, and started tryin' to err a certain type of way. So me and Earl, what we would do was I'd go to work out, we would do 700 pushups and before I warm up, before he worked out, we would do 700, and I worked out with Earl. So when I trained him, I worked out with him. So I wasn't sittin' there standin' on the sideline lookin', no. I worked out with him to push him, you know what I'm sayin'? Cause to work out with me, you gotta be in shape shape. Yeah, we on boss talk one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gon' talk.