 A trajectory that is like no other. Yeah, top tech story of the day, Cardi B passes Taylor Swift in streaming record. Good work, girl. Wow. Ooh. I still don't know. Somebody's listening to my portion because I've never heard any of her music. Me either. You didn't watch Saturday Night Live this weekend? No. Mission V8 is. You would probably know a couple of songs that are really popular, but she also sort of came out of nowhere. Len, you can't even F with her, okay? I can't. I know. That's usually the truth with most people. If you listen to Politics, Politics, Politics, you know that Cardi B is a big fan of presidential history. She can name all of the presidents. I mean. I can't. Oh, that's. But I probably could if I. I used to be able to. Wasn't, you know, press for play. I can only name their last names. No, you listen to the song, The Presidents by Jonathan Colton. Not only will you know the name of the presidents, but you'll also know how many terms they had. Oh, true. Wow. I only know Washington Adams, Jefferson Madison Monroe, Adams Jackson, Van Buren, Harrison Tyler, Tyler Polk, Taylor Philmore, Pierce Buchanan, Lincoln Johnson, Reddick Garfield, Arthur Cleveland, Harrison McKinley, Roosevelt Taff, Wilson Harding, Cooley Hoover, Roosevelt Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford. I mean, that's almost worse than being able to like recite. Wow. Carter. For a while. Like Cardi B. I have to stop it. Cardi B. How do you do it? No one knows. I learned it because we used to sing it in first grade, which is why it stops at Ford. That's funny. We never. That's the thing where you learn something when you're a kid and it just sticks. Right? Yeah, sure. Yeah. I know the months of the year in Spanish because of a song. And I know the, what's it called, the NATO alphabet. Oh, wow. Nice. A little alphabet, though. I know the R father in Spanish. Oh, that's pretty good. I know an R Kelly. I can say the Lord's Prayer in English. I used to say R Kelly, who art in studio. I can say the 2010 Hail Marys and say I'm sorry and I won't do it again. No, we used to start our Spanish class with the R father and that's why I would remember it. Nice. Is it Nuestro Padre? Padre Nuestro. Padre Nuestro. Estás en los cielos. Oh man, now I can't remember it. Padre Nuestro. But you had the spot. I didn't mean it. Oh yeah, I know. Gosh, now I can't remember it. It's that and the soliloquy from Macbeth that I remember the tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow creeps in this petty pace from day to day to the last soliloquy. See, I don't know any of this stuff. And all our yesterdays. See, this is the really difficult that I've been ever had. Wire in theater classes. This is the kind of stuff they teach you and they do a lot of it for like just warming up mouth exercises. So live that when thy summons comes to join the innumerable caravan which moves in that mysterious realm where each must take his chamber in the silent halls of death. I can smell Mississippi. Podcast. I wish I knew more shit here. I usually do it off mic. Five seconds. All right, you guys ready? I'm ready. I guess. Is it my cold open or yours, Sarah? I think it's mine. I think it's yours. Okay, good. All right, here we go. Three, two. Daily Tech News Show is powered by you to find out more, head to dailytechnewshow.com slash supports. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, April 13th, 2018 from DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles on time, Merritt. And from a very spooky Friday, the 13th at Studio Feel and I'm Sarah Lane. And from Oakland, California and the Hack 5 Studio, I'm Shannon Morse. And spring has finally sprung in Cleveland. I'm Len Peraldo. I like that we have, I was gonna say three time zones, but Oakland's in the same time zone. We have more different locations. I have a yes. Roger Chang in the same time zone as us as well. Our producer, how are you? I'm good, same region, same area, same time zone. Different airport, different airport. Oakland is the nickel dime though. It's the 510. Really? Different area code. Oh, I was. Areas don't mean anything anymore, do they? I thought you were about to say it was the nickel. It's only much. No, I was not gonna say that. We do approve of our nickel backers, the people who support the show at a dollar a month, which ends up to be five cents a show. And we promise never to force them to listen to nickel back if they don't want to. And thanks for their support. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Facebook's VP of Global Marketing Solutions, Carolyn Everson told the Wall Street Journal that she has not seen, quote, wild changes in behavior regarding privacy settings on account deletion on Facebook. The company is not anticipating any revenue changes either or drops in ad sales, so good to be Facebook. AMD announced its second generation Ryzen chips will launch April 19th. Pre-orders are open now. There are two eight core 16 thread Ryzen 7s, the 2700X at 329 bucks and the 2700 at 299 bucks and two six core 12 thread Ryzen 5s, the 2600X at $229 and the 2600 for 100 bucks. All four processors come with an AMD Wraith cooling unit free in the box. More details probably coming after everybody gets their hands on them on April 19th. All right, let's talk a little bit more about Android patches, Shannon. Germany's Secure Research Lab has discovered several Android phone makers have been skipping updates to the operating system and hiding it from end users. Affected users would see a message in settings that their operating system is up to date despite the most recent patches not being installed. Some manufacturers changed the date on the file of the most recent patch on the devices to fool the operating system into believing that it is up to date. Other manufacturers skip updates and they just don't hide it. Of 1200 devices tested by SRL, only Google's own Pixel phones included all of the security patches. This is one of those moments where I'm very happy that I have a Pixel 2 XL and I get all those security patches. Thank you, Google, thank you. Well, and to be fair, companies like Samsung, Sony, BQ, Lacko, Zuck, they were all just a patch behind. So it kind of depends on the timing of the test whether they would be up to date because the manufacturers always lag a little bit behind Google, but they're pretty up to date. They're not doing that nefarious thing you mentioned, changing the date of old patches so that you can't tell. That's just nasty. That's messed up. And several of them had four or more missing patches, including OPPO and ZTE and TCL. So that's a pretty serious problem there. Yeah, if you're not updating a patch for whatever reason, your team's not ready, whatever it is, but you're changing the date to obfuscate those facts, it makes you look so much worse than if you were just to say something like, we're working on it, please be patient. Most users can kind of deal with that sort of thing. It's so underhanded though, isn't it? It's a support hack, right? Somebody's gonna look and see that they're not up to date and they're gonna start sending emails like, why is my operating system not up to date? And they don't wanna deal with them. So they changed the date to reduce the number of support tickets. But I mean, these are security patches. I know, yeah. We all have disapproved, exactly. Yeah, no, there really isn't. There is no excuse for the ones that are missing three or four. Like you've had time to put those in and test them. That's not acceptable. Well, speaking of security on some level, the Verge has learned that Google's upcoming Gmail redesign will include a confidential mode that can restrict recipients from forwarding or copying or downloading or printing emails. Gmail will also supposedly let users require a passcode sent by SMS to the recipient in order to open an email as well as set an expiration date of reading that email. After which that email might be deleted. Google IO starts May 8th, which is probably the place that we're gonna hear more about this if all of these rumors are true. We should probably clarify that you could still take a picture of the device that the email is pulled up on and then it's not gonna be confidential anymore. Yeah, if this works the way Outlook, Outlook does some of these same things and usually it uses OneDrive to pull them off so that you have to get the text out of OneDrive. So my guess is they'd probably use Google Drive for some of this stuff. I like the idea of setting a passcode with like a one-time passcode with SMS for certain emails. That's an interesting thing. It's not as good as actually encrypted email, but for some situations where you know the person on the other end just isn't gonna be able to handle that, but you wanna provide at least a speed bump, that's a nice thing to have. Yeah, the whole kind of ephemeral email idea here, I can see use cases for a lot of the stuff. You know, I was sharing a video with somebody the other day and I had a passcode on the video and it came from Vimeo, but I was sharing the link via email and it's like to have some other layer of like, hey, I really mean this. You know, the privacy is very important. I can see that working, but as you mentioned Shannon, it's like there are ways to get around this as there are ways to get around any message that's supposed to, you know, only be seen once and then go away. Right, yeah, it's that self-destruct feature that can always be side-swiped in some way or another. Yeah, nothing has ever really gone on the internet. Unless you really need it, then it's totally gone. You can't find it. The Verge is Paul Miller has an article on improvements to web apps that may get them a lot closer to native apps. This is near and dear to my heart. I've been talking about this for a long time. The idea that web apps are cross-platform, right? As long as your browser standard's compliant, you should be able to put it on anything in the operating system or the type of browser shouldn't matter and that releases us from the curation of the app store makers. All right, Microsoft and Apple recently added support for progressive web apps. We'll call them PWAs for short on Windows and iOS respectively. That means a progressive web app can now run on Android, iOS, Chrome OS and Windows. PWAs can have an icon just like your native app. They can launch from a cache for offline functions. They can even handle push notifications. And this is Paul Miller, laid this out really well in his article. If you're like, yeah, but a native app's always gonna perform better because you can write it in a native language instead of JavaScript. There is a language called WebAssembly that can be pre-compiled so that it compiles super fast in the browser and runs at near native speeds with consistent performance. It can even interrupt with JavaScript and you can take your C and C++ programs and compile them to WebAssembly. So that gets you pretty close to that native app performance. So take that objection away. The last thing that Miller mentions is, yeah, but come on, native apps look better, right? You know, you can just do more than you can do with web standards. Well, there's a standard called Houdini that lets developers talk directly to a browser's cascading style sheet rendering engine instead of having to lay out the cascading style sheets the normal way. That allows you to do more custom layouts, styles, animations. The problem here is that Houdini's spec is still locked up in a straightjacket. It hasn't escaped. Yes, the spec is still being determined and there's no sign of when it might get adopted. Chrome is the only browser you can test it in. So that one has a ways to go, but we keep getting closer and closer to something that will break us out of the stranglehold that essentially Google and Apple have over AppStores. Very, very cool. I think this is super cool because it has web standards. So you have the ability for it to be standardized and have the security of that. And then you can probably have some curation out there if you want it, but you don't have to be reliant on it. There won't be a gatekeeper anymore. And the thing that I like the most about it is cross-platform. Anything that's cross-platform means if I want to use the app, it doesn't matter what device I have. It doesn't matter what operating system I use. And that gets us back to the thing that makes the web great is not having to think about choosing something at the beginning and limiting your choices down the road. That is kind of cool. And it would open up a lot of abilities to switch operating systems a lot easier because you're not stuck with one app on this one iOS device. And that's been one of the things that has slowed down open-source operating systems. Yeah, absolutely. Most of the Linux because you're like, oh, wait, but I can't get this program. Well, moving on, a Moscow court granted the Russian communication regulators' request to order ISPs to block telegram service in Russia. Russia's FSB security service ordered telegram to hand over encryption keys so it can read messages of suspected criminals and terrorists. Telegram declined saying it does not control users' keys. Telegram can appeal the decision within 30 days. Telegram founder Pavel Durov posted to vk.com that the company will be able to bypass locks and continue to provide service. How many users are there in Russia? 9 million or so. Like active users. OK, so that's pretty significant for the company. They obviously have other markets. And there's some of the folks who are responsible for making telegram are Russian themselves. Durov himself, he's the founder of Telegram. Right, so how important is it? An app like Telegram lives and breathes in the fact that it's safe and secure, right? Or more so than a lot of competitors. So for Russia to ask this, of course Telegram is going to be like, now we're not doing this. But how much does it hurt their growth trajectory? I mean, it's more of an emotional blow to Durov because he got kicked out of contacte because the Russian government allegedly was behind pushing some oligarchs in to push him out of there. He started Telegram as a way to preserve secure communications because he feels like there's not enough of that. And now they're trying to shut that down in Russia. So this is a cause for him. Business-wise, I'm not sure whether it's going to impact him that much or not. And the other thing to consider, Shannon, is a lot of people have picked on Telegram's security because they have a roll your own encryption standard. They have the encryption off by default. You have to turn it on. But this shows like even that was a threat to Russia, apparently. Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I chose Signal over Telegram was because you are completely opted into that encryption as soon as you download the application. But Telegram is still a very good service. And one of my first choices when it comes to encryption that's easy to use for all the people that want to download it. So this is an unfortunate blow. However, I don't know if it's going to hurt their business either. Yeah, no, it's a fair question. I think Durov will be OK. He just won't be happy. Yeah. Comcast's latest Xfinity cable bundle now includes something new, Netflix. Netflix has actually been in Comcast's X1 bundle since 2016, already available as a Comcast add-on. But now start of a standard package. Netflix Dreaming will still count against Comcast's 1 terabyte data cap. Though in a joint statement about the partnership the company said, around 50% of X1 customers are already actively using Netflix on the platform. Now don't forget there might be something behind this as far as the competition goes. Potential merger between HBO owner Ty Warner and AT&T could play into this too. Yeah, because Netflix considers HBO its competition, not Comcast. And Comcast would like to have some leverage against HBO, one would think, and having Netflix as a part of a standard bundle. I mean, like you said, it's been on the X1 box for a while. But putting it a part of a standard bundle, that's going to be a nice little subscription bump for Netflix there. I canceled Comcast because Netflix became a thing. Well, you canceled Comcast cable. Did you cancel Comcast as an ISP? No, I still have them as an ISP, unfortunately. I think this serves Comcast. Granted, there's people like us who all were like, yeah, we don't get cable service anymore. We just use things on the internet for that. But there are a lot of people who haven't. And even if that number is slowly declining, Comcast can probably use this as a way to keep people. Like, hey, don't cancel Netflix like your niece Shannon did, or don't cancel cable like your niece Shannon did to get Netflix. We'll just put Netflix in your package and now you have it. See, you don't have to go anywhere. Well, you know, and all kidding aside, it's like, okay, Netflix is what, you know, $10 a month, right? Yeah. You know, what they're about. And for a lot of folks when you're trying to decide, am I a cord cutter? Am I ready to get rid of cable? You know, if you watch enough Netflix and you're on a budget or only want to spend so much, then that's one of the reasons that a lot of people have been like, yeah, you know, this cable package is just, it's very hard to justify I'm out of here. Netflix being part of the cable package, well, then you're that much less likely to try to live life without it. Yeah. And it's, like I said, it's a nice boost for Netflix because right now you have to ask Comcast, hey, can I activate Netflix? You have to do it. You do it on the box, but you have to go and do it. Whereas if it's just part of your bundle, you're already gonna be logged in. It's gonna be great for everybody. Hey, folks, if you wanna get all the tech headlines each day at about five minutes, subscribe to Daily Tech Headlines available on the Amazon Echo, the Google Home, Anker app and more. You can find out all the ways at DailyTechHeadlines.com. So Motherboard has a report out today, revealing some of the local police forces they have discovered in the United States as well as some federal agencies that have been using a device called Gray Key to unlock iPhones. Remember this was a big deal when Apple said we are not going to put a back door into encryption, we are not going to assist in breaking our encryption with the FBI. The FBI went and spent apparently a lot of money. A lot of people have tried to speculate who they paid to do it. This is a new way to do it since then. This device cost you 15,000 bucks, so it's not cheap. And you have to connect it to the internet. It's geofenced, so if it's taken out of the police office, it won't work anymore. And a lot of the processing is done in the cloud. There's also a $30,000 version though that is an offline model, so you don't have to connect to the cloud. And I think we'll find that might be a problem. Malwarebytes reported on the box in March and suspects it uses some sort of jailbreak to work. Locked phones are connected to the box for two minutes after which the phone can be disconnected while it unlocks. It can take from hours to days to unlock depending on the length of the passcode. Now, Shannon, you've been digging into this. How do we think this thing works? Because most of these articles just say magic box, you plug the iPhone in and wait. Yeah, and that's so unfortunate because every time I read these news articles, I'm like, but I want to know the technology. How does it actually work? So luckily I have a lot of friends in the InfoSet communities, myself included, who study the technical aspects of these kind of hacker gadgets. And one of my friends replied to me on Twitter and he said that it sounds like it replaces the iBoot with a custom brute forcing type of firmware operator. So when the iPhone is unplugged from the gray key, it continues operating on the phone and brute forcing all of the different encryption databases that are in the iPhone so that once it's plugged in, it's able to access all that information. So it exfiltrates all that data super easily by replacing the iBoot in the first place. So it totally goes around all the encryptions that are in place by the passphrase or the passcode that you put on your phone to unlock it every day. So from a consumer standpoint, you probably wouldn't notice anything if iBoot is replaced, but in this case, obviously, they're able to get into all that encryption. So it reminds me of these master boot record infections, these things that happen at boot up where they're really hard to get rid of as malware. This is saying, you know what? We'll get around all of Apple's security precautions by just changing everything that does that and getting rid of it. Does that, however, okay. So somebody is, maybe they've passed on, maybe they are a convicted terrorist and they're trying to find more information. Nobody cares what happens to those iPhones, right? Everybody's like, eh, you know, they're probably the ACLU cares because of general rights and that's good, but most people won't be sympathetic. But what if it's you, Shannon, who are like, oh yeah, I'm gonna, I would like you to look at my phone to see evidence and the forensic guy says, well, you know what, I can get a whole lot more information if I plug it into this gray box and then replaces your boot loader. Yeah, exactly. And unfortunately, if they purchased the $30,000 one, which I know you said it's rather costly, but to me, compared to Celebrite, which is what the FBI was contracting with to get unlocked iPhones, they were charging $200,000. So compared to that, 30,000 is not a lot of money for these law enforcement agencies. They could easily take care of this and put some kind of scary new iBoot firmware on your phone. Who knows if it's still in place when you receive your phone back after they've decrypted all this information? Who knows if your phone is still encrypted correctly by the Apple operating system? Like we don't know exactly how the technical aspects of this take place. So we don't know if your phone is still going to be protected after they do whatever research they need to do on that phone. I mean, granted, this is not something most of us are gonna have to deal with, but it would be good to know if you're cooperating with an investigation, like, hey, I will give you the passcode. Guys, promise not to plug this into Greylock, all right? I need my bootloader. I wanna keep it there. And it would be nice to know a little bit more about this product so you could see, you could do easy tests to find out if it's been adapted that way. The other thing, like you're right. Let's say, I think I read that Celebrite's prices are down to $5,000 per phone. Even then, $30,000, that's six phones, right? If you're gonna unlock more than six phones, which many police departments will, you've paid for it, it pays for itself, eventually. It only does iPhones, though. It doesn't do Android phones. And the $30,000 one just has a two-factor authentication. And you know that many of these departments have that second factor on a post-it note in the same room as this box. Which then becomes a vulnerability if somebody could take the post-it note in the box and make off with it. That's such a huge vulnerability. So even if, okay, say they got the $30,000 one, they have their two-factor authentication laying around somewhere. What if they got it stolen? What if somebody stole it from them? It's not being geocached in any way. So the licensed protection that Gray Shift, I believe is the name of the company that is selling this product, their protection is null and void at that point. So you can plug this thing in anywhere. And as long as you have that two-factor authentication code, you'd be able to use the device as well. Now, if you have the $15,000 version, which they say has very strict geocaching or geolocation so that you can only use it on one specific network, well, guess what? There's products out there that can spoof networks. Whether if it's on wireless, there's products that can spoof wireless. I know because we make one of them. And there's also- I'm looking around for my pineapple right now. And like that little thing right there, yeah, that. So there's also products out there that can spoof the wired network. So you can put a little thing called a land tap on a wired network and be able to exfiltrate any data that's passing through there. Or if they're using a VPN so that if the geolocation, the strict access is provided by an IP, if they're just making sure that you have the same IP every single time. If the law enforcement agency is using a VPN, technically they could take this little box anywhere as long as they're using the same IP to reach out and use that web GUI. So either one, I feel like they're going to have some security implications if they're not being properly supervised and properly maintained and like updated by this company, Grayshift. So I do worry a lot about that kind of stuff. And that is the key here, right? The problem isn't necessarily the device itself. If in some ways what Grayshift is doing is better than what like, what was the name of the one that was going around for a while, IP box or something? Which anybody could get a hold of. Grayshift makes you authenticate as a law enforcement agency before they'll even let you on the website. So they're trying to limit this to law enforcement. That said, you know. But then what if a law enforcement agency decides to resell the box because they may need to make some quick money? Well, and so the other side of this is that's true of everything that law enforcement uses. What if somebody gets ahold of the gun that the police have? What if somebody steals the gun from the police and sells it? So I mean, law enforcement has all kinds of dangerous items and we have to make sure that they are properly supervised and used. I think what gets people a little more upset about this is we have long established practices for supervising and controlling weapons. Sometimes they get abused, but generally they get caught. We didn't even know that a lot of these police forces were using this. So how can we have proper public supervision that it's being handled well if it's done under cover and people don't even know what's happening? Exactly, and that's a huge problem is that we don't have any specific regulations in place for these kind of secure data exfiltration devices currently. Like there are some laws that say like, hey, you have to get a warrant to be able to crack into this certain thing for different cases, but there's nothing that says this device has to be this specific protocol or anything like that. Companies are advised, but where's that regulation? And we're currently not seeing that. So I do worry that this device might not have proper protocols in place, but of course I don't know, they might. Yeah, no, and I'm all for law enforcement being able to use these. This is the solution. You don't need back doors. You don't need to break all our encryption, go for this kind of stuff, be transparent, be public and make sure that we have proper supervision so that it's only used in cases with a warrant and it's only used by proper personnel and it's properly safeguarded. And we don't know all of those things about it right now. And I think that makes people nervous and rightly so. Well, especially Sarah's, Apple and iOS is that the company likes to tout itself as we're not interested in people grabbing data and encryption is very important to us. Well, there are tools that obviously Apple can't lock down. So if you're trying to figure out what your next operating system is based on this sort of thing, it's like kind of know that for the right amount of money, your phone will be broken open. Yeah, and there's so much more to talk about here, including responsible disclosure. If they know of this vulnerability, shouldn't they be telling Apple about it? What is the proper way to go about that and make sure that this kind of vulnerability isn't exploited by the bad guys? Shannon, I know you're gonna be talking more about this. Oh yeah, yeah, I'll be doing an episode of ThreatWire over on youtube.com slash hack five. So if you wanna see a whole spiel about it, definitely check that out. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and join the discussion in our Facebook group, facebook.com slash groups slash Daily Tech News Show. We get emails, Sarah. You're right, Tom, we do. In fact, we got one from Matt. This was a hot button topic of the week, the ban cash episode where we talked about the merits of banning cash versus not banning cash. Do we need it and when? Matt says, one thing I think you guys are forgetting is the need for secret purchases. If you're buying a gift for a special someone and you don't want that activity recorded or shared to a bank account, cash in that sense is really ideal. Now, Matt, I don't think you're doing anything underhanded. I think you're probably just gonna buy something for your special someone. But yes, it's true that using cash is less of a paper trail overall for purchases you don't want to follow. Yeah, a lot of people use the gift argument. I feel like Sweden, which has the majority of its populist cashless, has probably figured out a way to buy gifts without their special someone's distance. Yeah, I don't think the Swedes just decided that birthdays were no longer here. They're like, no more gifts in Sweden. We've got cashless society. Exactly, exactly. On the other hand, being tracked is definitely a common and legitimate concern about a cashless society. And that's where things like blockchain and stuff might be a future solution to that. But right now, you're relying on the discretion of your bank. And I actually responded to Matt about this. Like, how do you think they do it in Sweden? And he said, I don't know, Swiss bank accounts, I guess. Yeah. There's one place that I go to every single summer. And I always use cash. I never use my credit card at that place. And it's called Def Con, because it's full of hackers. Oh, yeah. And I do not want to use cash at any of the vendors, even my own. Like, I have so many people that prefer to use cash over credit cards, is what I was saying. But there's a lot of reasons why a cashless community or a cashless country would be very, very hard to implement. But I guess you would just have to take those problems into consideration and just deal with it. Swedish hackers, let us know what you do. You probably still just use cash, because Sweden isn't actually cashless. We also talked about recycling batteries to recover metals, not only metals like lithium, but also rare earth metals. And yesterday afternoon, probably it was around the same time we were talking about it, a new story came out. Armando alerted us to it. He said, this article posted the same day he reported on the rare earth recycling efforts. Although still years away from serving as a resource for these metals, it appears as though there may be other options going forward. If the report is accurate, it would seem that some of these metals aren't so rare after all. A study published in Nature Scientific Reports describes a deposit of hundreds of years worth of rare earth oxides near Minamitorishima Island in Japan. The report says the find contains the equivalent of 780 years worth of yttrium, 620 years worth of europium, 420 years of terbium, and 730 years of dysprosium. China currently dominates the supply of these metals needed for electronic manufacturing. But it looks like Japan will be a major supplier of them if they can figure out how to recover these in an efficient manner. That doesn't mean the recycling efforts go away. They're still recovering lithium and other things. And it's going to be good for Korea to have some of these rare earths not needing to be imported from Japan, same as it would not need to import them from China. All right, let's check in with Len Peralta and find out what he has been illustrating in our big news of the week, illustration. Yeah, you know, I always feel like I come in late to the game on some of these things because if something happens early in the week, you guys talk about it a lot. But I figure this was a big story this week. Of course, I'm talking about Mark Zuckerberg testifying in front of Congress for a total of 10 hours. In a booster seat, no less. In a booster seat. And that's what this shows. It's a little bit of low-hanging fruit. I tried to come up with something that was, I had not seen, but so many of the memesters were beat me to it. But this, you know, one of the things about Mark Zuckerberg, whether you like him or not, you have to admit a little bit he is kind of robotic kind of alien a little bit. And this is maybe what was happening was that the aliens who are controlling Mark Zuckerberg are realizing that their observation tool is no longer fooling the humans. So that's something we may have been witnessing this week. And so what may happen to Zuck, he may get on his way. Right, yeah. The humans are becoming self-aware. Yeah, they're very, very scary. I mean, it's a possibility. Yeah, we're onto them now. Len, yes, I'll have my team get back to you on that. Exactly. He is actually saying, Senator, this is a complex issue that deserves more than a one-word answer, you know. I don't know, you good old Zuck. Well, go check out Robot Zuck and his alien manipulators at LenPeraltaStore.com. You got it, it's good stuff, man. Yeah, please do. It's amazing. And I like that you're illustrating the big news of the week. I think that's cool. Yes. And by the way, you guys, thank you so much for keeping me busy, all your DTNS folks. Just remember, you can hire me to do stuff, too, if you don't want to buy the print. So, there you go. Go hire Len. Thank you, Len. As always, you are a gentleman and a scholar. No, thank you. Senator Morris, thank you to you as well. You mentioned some upcoming stuff on ThreatWire. Where can people keep up with everything that you do online? Yes, I totally did. Well, you can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Snubb's SNUBS. But the big place is ThreatWire. Currently, I'm campaigning to get more patrons over on our own Patreon, which is patreon.com slash ThreatWire. But I recently talked about the crazy stuff happening in DC, how they purportedly believe that they found stingray devices, which are those little IMSI catchers. 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Join us live if you can. 4.30 p.m. Eastern, 2030 UTC and you can find out more at dailytechnewshow.com slash live. Back on Monday with Lamar Wilson. Talk to you then. Woo-hoo. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Hope you have enjoyed this program. Ah, that was a good show. Yay. Great show. Yay. Super fun. Shannon, you're just the best. Yeah, I know she really is. What? You're just the best at explaining certain things. Just you have a good way of explaining things. Thank you so much. That means a lot to me. Yeah, I mean, lots of people are smart but not everybody can explain things well. I think I found my calling when I started doing my hack tips. I discovered that, well, somebody came up to me and they were like, my teacher showed your show in my class and we were doing our whole series of videos that we were showing in our classroom and I was just like, really? And he was like, yeah, and I'm taking college. And I was like, oh my God, this is crazy. So. That's great. I love breaking down technical stuff. I always get nervous when people tell me they showed something I did in their class because I'm like, what mistakes did I make? Crap. Don't do what this guy did. I mean, let me fact check myself for you. Intentionally, let us stray because I said the wrong thing. Yeah. Speaking of wrong things. Titles. It's a segue. I didn't say they would be. It's not a segue if you just say speaking of, insert whatever I just said. Oh, there we go. It's a segue. Showbot.chatrom.net. What about Showbot.chatrom.net? Titles? That's right. All of them. I just want to show titles. So, yes. I'm waiting for you to give me the titles. What's the title? There's like 10 titles, but like iPhones unlocked in 15 minutes or less where your description is free. That's so long. I like, I unlock. I unlock. You're gonna like the way you look. You're gonna like the way you unlock. iPhone security is a gray area. How's that? That's a good one. Yeah, that's a really good one. It's both gray with an E, not an A. Who does? Gray box or gray lock, I mean? A lot of people spell gray with an E. That's the English. Gray key. Well, that's kind of how Tom, you know, spells realize with an S. It's okay. I see what you're doing. I just read too much Jane Austen growing up. I mean, you're not wrong. It's not incorrect. I'm wrong for the country I'm in, but... Well, but like, but it's also not illegal. Like, you just want that way if you want it. No, it's gonna arrest you. It'll just, it'll cause people to be like, oh, are you from, where are you from? Greenville, Illinois. Oh. Hmm. I remember one time, I said ZD net in a meeting and Molly Wood just was not having it. She came down on me. It was just like, you just can't. She just went, no, no, you don't know. You don't do that. I mean, but again, I wouldn't, but I would know what you meant. And I just be like, oh, Tom. You just roll your eyes at me. It's still not wrong. It's not right. It's, what, what, um, it's inappropriate. Geogrammar appropriation. Yeah. I don't know, I made that up. This was like 2005. That's what Tom was feisty back then. Tom was feisty back then. Roger remembers. Tom's learned a lot of things, you know. He had a long ponytail. That, you didn't know me when I had the ponytail. No, I just, your hair was long. Your hair was long back then. No, was it? Yeah, it was down to your like, almost like touching your shoulders. Wow. Really? That was like when you first started. I mean, it was long. It was bad. Well, I mean, I'm not going to, I'm not going to put a judgment call on that. I will. I mean, it was like, you know, yeah. It was longer than it is now, but I had like, you know, down dead on my back ponytail long hair, back when I was in college. So did I. I looked really bad. Yeah, man. It was the 90s. That's the way I wore it back then. I had a rat tail that went to the middle. Did you have a trench coat? Did you go with it? I did. I also had round linen specs. Oh, the rat tail. The rat tail, yeah. Plus, I had bangs. Plus, I had bangs. In the school photos, you'd like kind of bring it to the front, or whatever it was. Look, what have I known for three years? I used to put it in my, yeah. I used to have really long bangs that went over one side of my face. Oh, wow. We got to see some of these photos then. Oh, I don't know if they exist. There is one photo on my Facebook of kind of near that time where I did have a rat tail kind of cut it. I had all the flair on my jean jacket. So, there you go. The rat tail thing was like, boys my age had it, but it was younger. And then the cool thing would be to like, if you were a brunette, you would just bleach your bangs. Yeah, right. You know, so it was like just the bang bleach and you'd kind of, you know, constantly sort of, you know, toss your bangs to the side. So that was like- Sarah, are you an 80s child? What do you think? I think you are. Yeah, yeah. I am, yes. I would consider myself an 80s child. I was born in the 70s. Okay, that's cool. But I don't remember really anything. I was born in the 70s and I remember Corduroy bell bottoms. Yeah. And I remember a lot of people just kind of hanging out on H Street and a lot of Volkswagen's. I remember, yeah, because for a while, I don't know about, I don't know if this was like a country wide thing, but you know, you pegged your pants. Oh, I did that in the 90s. I did pegged my 80s. This was the 80s for me. Yeah, you pegged your pants. Like anything that was straight leg or wider was just like super embarrassing parents. I did it my entire freshman year. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Like you pegged them real tight, you know, it kind of hurts at the end of the day. My parents were kind of, you know, they had Birkenstocks and it was very embarrassing and they wouldn't pick their parents and awful. And then of course, it all came back around where I was like, Mom, can I borrow your Birkenstocks? Cause they're like really cool now. And your mom's pegging her pants. My mom didn't pick her pants, but you know, I don't think you mind. Yeah. All of the like clogs and weird things that like were like extremely embarrassing became very cool and retro. The Peter Fonda attorney. I was a weird kid. I was also an 80s kid. So I feel very young and awkward. We were probably all weird kids. Like Birkenstocks, probably an easy blanket statement to make. Well, I didn't care about fashion. Like I was, I was hanging out with the skaters. So if something was cool. The skaters care about fashion, but there's a particular. Well, something was cool. We were just like, no, we're not going to wear that. Right. Yeah. Like what is the establishment cool thing? I don't even know what pegging pants is. So it's pegging pants. I don't either, I don't either. Take your pants. Oh my God, you guys didn't peg pants. So you take your pants and you pull, do you pull at the bottom. So this is your, this is like your leg and this is the material. You tighten it and you take the extra material and roll it up twice. Oh, I, that's peg. I used to do that. Yeah. That's what, I mean, that's what we called it. It was probably called something else. Yeah. The idea was to never do that yourself. Ankle jeans before there were ankle jeans. Buy them to be like slightly too long and then peg them so they're real tight at the bottom and roll them up twice. Yeah. I had to do that only because I was very short. Still I'm very short. So I have to roll up my pants. I did that because I was playing Tom Sawyer in the school play. That's adorable. So that's what it looks like. Kind of. Oh, okay. Yep. Yep. Let's see. Yeah, I never did that. Oh yeah. Well, that's a bad peg. Yeah, it's a bad peg. No, like me and my friends were wearing like jean goes and wide flare type jeans. Yeah. When the 70s were really big in the 90s, that's what we were wearing. They would sell pre-pegged pants too. I had a pair of ocean Pacific jeans that were like just already like sewn at the bottom. Did you have a Benetton top too? Like I never had a Benetton top. I was not a rich man. Yeah. Well, I wasn't a rich kid either, but I, you know. Parents would do like Benetton. No. You're shopping at J.C. Penny Merritt. Here's, here's, you know, it's interesting. That's so funny. Pant pegging. Oh, I got a lot of these. My mom just sent me photos. Oh, really? Did she also say, tell Merritt, I never pegged my pants. So these are the steps. You take the pants. Yeah, so I'm just saying right. That's right. Exactly right. You get the extra fold. Yep. Oh my gosh. Okay, I did do that. Oh my God. I did do that. I did that. That looks so bad. That looks so stupid. Like, he didn't take pants like people would like. It looks like you're cutting off circulation. Well, the idea is that you actually get pants that are longer than you need in order to do it. Right, yeah. It's not to make them capri length. No. You want them to pull length, but you also want to pick them. So basically what you do is you get an inseam size that's maybe two inches longer than what you need and then you do the pegging. I always had an inseam size that was too short because my parents were waiting to replace my pants. And then you just called them shorts. And I had the JCPenney collared shirts with the Fox instead of the IZO. Oh yeah. The IZO, the off brand. The off brand, yeah. I was the youngest of the cousins on my mom's side and my older girl cousin was, you know, cool fashion. So I mean, pretty much everything I wore was a hand-me-down but it was like cool stuff. And I never told anybody, you know? I'm not telling somebody my cousin wore this two years ago. You know, it was like, guess James, that's right. I'm rich. Right, now I was free. All my high school clothing choices were determined by John Hughes movies. So like, you know, anything that Ferris Bueller wore, I was probably wearing. Did you have a member's only jacket? I had one. No, no, I didn't. I did have a beret though. I didn't like hats until after high school. Well, you don't seem to like wearing hats now. Okay, so it's still after High School Waves. It's still coming. Yeah, right. It's still coming. Technically, we're still in the era. I don't, Ferris Bueller was that, I mean, as wonderful as the movie that was, they were too preppy for me. They were like Chicago kids. Like, I don't know why. I don't know anything about those kids. Yeah, that was sort of like my sophomore junior year. As soon as I went into my junior senior year, I was really getting into like hardcore punk that kind of movie. No. So, yeah. Skinny puppy. Not yet. Skinny puppy for me was college for me. No, I guess you're right. It was like freshman year because we were about the same age. Yeah, that was college. That was college radio station, man. I was playing Skinny Puppy and Knitzer Ab. Knitzer Ab. Knitzer Ab, yeah. Husker Dew. Husker Dew, and then I became, what's his name? Bob Mould. He dropped the other two. It's Bob Mould. No, Mould. Yeah, but I saw Husker Dew and Shilai. He mellowed out like he came out. It was a great song. Which one? See a little light? Oh, yes. Do you remember Bob Mould's side project called Sugar? Oh, my gosh, I'd forgotten all about that. Awesome, awesome, awesome. Awesome music. That was around the same time as Hindu Love Gods, which was everyone from R.E.M. except for Michael Stipe and Warren Zevon singing leads. Wow. Wow. Which is like everyone in R.E.M. except for Michael Stipe is. All the guys in R.E.M. that do the thing. Right, the other two. The other two. I don't remember anymore. I used to. Have you ever seen Michael Stipe with hair where it was like super long? Yeah, yeah. It's jarring. Yeah. I remember it just like after they got super big that he cut it and it progressively just disappeared from his head. Well, he was going bald. Well, he wouldn't be the only one. Man. It's a thing. Peter Buck. Peter Buck, yes. Mike Mills. That's the only one that at one time I probably would have known from R.E.M. And Mike Mills, right? Mike Mills, yeah. Yes. I used to do the R.E.M. marathon at our college radio station. 18 hours of R.E.M. We see this is a thing. When I went to, when I started college there were no good, we didn't, there was no college radio station. My mom just sent me a picture of my pants pig. I had to make do with 120 minutes on MPV. Oh yeah. Now, when I worked at the radio station in College Man it was like I would go into the production studio and then I would record all the albums so I could listen to them with my tape deck in my 85 Nova. Actually, we had, I could, even in Modesto I could get 105 from San Francisco Live 105 and Steve Masters, one of the DJs there made a concerted effort to bring over a lot of British as well as like underground alternative bands on air. And he like made, he like did this whole thing every week and it was great because that's where a lot of, a lot of bands that people previously would have not had as much airplay, got it. If Mike just posted a picture of me with my sort of mullet, let me see. In the chat. I put my pink pants photo on our daily Slack. They're not that bad, but I mean it was. You look like, you look like this standard Asian guy from like an action movie in the 80s. That's what I was going for. Oh my God, Sarah. Pant Pager, white pants, no less. You look so cool. Yeah, real cool, real cool. With your so cool pants. Do you know what year this is from? That's awesome. I do. This was 1990? Wow. Look how, look how. That's like 90210 territory. Look how fresh-faced you are. You're so, you look like someone from a. What, hold on. No, wait, no, you look like, no, no, don't take this the wrong way. You look like someone from ABC Friday night, like a show, like ABC Friday night. Well, somebody should have put me on 90210, I'll work for you. Do you want me to share this with everyone or no? Oh yeah, it's fine. Yeah, yeah, this is not a secret photo. No, it's just, just in case. Sarah, you look like the girl that I probably would have had a crush on if I watched ABC Friday nights growing up. Like, oh, Sarah Lane. Well, yeah, this is when we would still, you know, you'd curl your bangs and then do a little something, something up top to give, you know, the whole thing some height. Yeah, yeah, good stuff. I haven't seen that in a while. Thank you, mom. That's great. Great pants. Let's see if I can find that picture of me with from 1988, circa 1988. Man, it's a real fat face. What are you talking about? Well, you know, you know how a lot of us were in the past. Just kept a lot of fat in our cheeks. No, for guys like me, the fat gets added on as they get old. I was actually stronger as a kid. Really? Yes, I was, I was, it was, I suffered from fat face in a right. I was skinnier as a kid. Really? Yeah, I gained weight, unfortunately. What did you do? Did you step on a scale? Oh, did you just step on a scale? Or you just... Me? I started drinking Frappuccinos and then, yes, I stepped on a scale. Oh. And then you were like, huh, those numbers are different. The scale was broken. My pants don't fit anymore. Yeah. Before I shot off the stream, I was going to say that I was happy that I could keep my high school weight all the way up until 2013, 2012. And then after I got married, I got fat. Roger, you're not fat. You're really not. You're not the least bit fat. None of us are. What is that? Is that a flyer, Tom? This is the flyer for Cable Rock 101 WDBS. The Dorm Broadcasting System at the University of Illinois. Oh, my God. Was that your show? I did a show on there, yeah. Oh, man. I love that. That's so cool. That's like a cool poster. You should frame it. Step one, hook the FM cable to the back of your stereo receiver. Step two, connect the cable to your cable box. Step three, turn on your stereo and tune it to WDBS Cable FM 101. The internet is making that necessary. Bruce Coburn, if a tree falls. REM, South Central Rain, which saved a lot of people. Awesome. So we'll see everyone Monday with Lamar Wilson. Any last words from our from Shannon? Keep rocking. At least I got chicken. We're nobody's fool from Cinderella. Rat, round and round. When all else fails, remember your roots, everybody. All right, till next week. Bye.