 Y254 If you've just joined us, we had two very riveting conversations, one with Brian Sackler, one of one at a Stephanie Ayata and in case you missed any one of them, tafadali kainli anapale YouTube at Wifi4 channel. So if you just had someone laughing to Sbria, you can find him at Brian Sackler 101 on a social media handle. So, wunana wukiniwa na tu isi, I want you to be thinking sweet things. Wukiniwa na tu fkiriya tu mautamu, just yuminess, alright? Yes, because wukumia pena pena takula. So, I feel very honored to be here on this last interview of the day. Sijini kwa nisha mautamu kwanza ama tu to guest kwanza, she is of importance. Very as beautiful as she is talented, wata anti-semini nani. Good morning. Good morning. So, this is our humble home. Thank you so much. No matter how much we get serious with this. Okay, we will stand by, maaling tazumzum, kwa mayamiyamu na mawao wao. Please tell us who you are, your cover is on there. Thank you so much for having me first of all and good morning. My name is Esther Masharia. So, I'm the founder of Ibeka's Creations and let me say I'm an award-winning baker. I'm all about sweetness. If you see me na jatuni mautamu, we do cakes, yoghurt, ice cream, milkshakes like we are all about mautamu. We are the flavor of your life. I've been asked that question before. I don't know how to answer it. I think I ate in moderation. I ate in moderation but basically this is what we do for a living. We train also on how to bake, decorate. It doesn't matter whether you want to do it at home or just as a side hustle or you want to lie. We teach kids as well by the way, maybe you want to nurture some talent and since they're very young. So, we do all that basically, yeah. See, taza, na onesli yata conception bado, but I can already see what my kid will be doing after school. But it's something it's really good to start teaching kids early. It helps them to avoid the screen time all the time. And see, do we see muma games? It's something I know kids who will make you a living out of this. What I said, you are just a school for school fees. Halu ya. Some of them are less than 10. So, that's what they mean when they say... Namutotu na kuja sahani ake? It's a sahion jo sahani actually. That's the claim. Okay, we're going to learn new things every day. So, what we're going to do is we're going to decorate this cake as we have conversation. So, tanziana, perhaps maybe... Okay, gloves, gloves, guys, we gotta be safe, we gotta be safe. So, tell me, when did you start this whole situation? What inspired you? How long have you been doing it? Did you just start it yourself? Do you have a part anymore? It's okay, I'll answer all because I have answers for all. So, we started baking in 2015. What made me start baking is I wanted to learn how to make bread at home. Because that time, I was very passionate about healthy living. So, I wanted to learn how to make bread so I can make it in a more healthier way. So, what I'm doing is to trim. There are people who like crust, there are those who don't like. So, which type are you? I decorate with crust or without crust? Me but I don't like crust. Then I'll decorate it with crust. It's just me who doesn't like crust. But I have to realize that I'm not the client. So, I'm not the one who is going to eat the cake. So, are we layering it? So, we are going to start by, we just put this, this is cream, whipping cream. It can be dairy or nandairy. There is nandairy? Yes, this is nandairy actually. So, we just put some on the board and then we'll start layering. Filling and layering. So, I started baking in 2015, I started with bread. I didn't really intend to do it as a business. I'll be lying to you if I tell you I did. But when I was learning how to make bread, where I learned from, I noticed some people were actually making some cakes. I'd never seen a cake being decorated before. So, I was like, okay, this looks a bit interesting. Please notice that you put the bottom part. Like, I mean the top part at the bottom. Because the bottom part is usually leveled. And you want the cake to be leveled. So, you'll put the last one. You can come and put some cream and then I'll show you how we do it. So, I started baking bread, but then I also thought of doing the cakes as well, but for fun. And then I remember when I was coming from college, somebody saw me carrying the cakes I baked in college and asked me, oh, you bake? And who is me to say no? I said yes. That's my girl. I actually remember that cake that I was carrying. I actually sold it. On the spot? Yes, on the spot. Should I put more? Just a little more to cover here. So anyway, that's how it started, but then because I'm very passionate about health living, I wanted to learn how to make wheat free cakes. Have you had a wheat free? Yes, the gluten free cake. So, that's actually where I started my baking journey. That's what I was known for. But then I decided to do it full time. I realized it's not very sustainable. I want to make a client for this cake. You need to, after some time, after you start baking, you have to give yourself a time limit. Like for us to finish baking, I mean decorating one cake, we do it maximum 15 minutes. Can I ask you the next step? Yes, please. I started doing gluten free cakes and eggless cakes, sugar free cakes. I really can relate because some of my family members don't eat eggs. And so many people are actually allergic to eggs. So many people really? Yes, there are many. People have so many allergies nowadays. So you find that even the cakes we take to school, you are told to take eggless cakes. Yes, just in case somebody is allergic. We also do even sugar free cakes. That's how I started basically. Then we opened the first outlet on Kiambu Road. Before then I used to run a minister market. Because I used to live in Dubai. Let me backtrack Kidogo. I see, that's where you start. I tell you, you're so label-ware. I used to live in Dubai. So when I relocated, I relocated to come and be in Dubai. So when I relocated, I relocated to come and be self-employed. But I wasn't sure where I would start. So I first opened a minister market. That was in 2014. In 2018, I had to close and have not very nice circumstances. Actually, my business was brought down. Let me put it that way. So I automatically became a full-time baker because I had the skills already. I became a full-time baker and now I had to open an outlet because babies came and I was getting too tired working from home and checking on the babies at the same time. You're a mom? Yes, I'm a mom of two. I should have mentioned first thing. Damn, you're not good for mommy. Really, thank you. I'm a mom of two. 4.5 and almost 3. Yes. So it was a bit I don't know. I'm baking at home, the kids are there touching the cakes and everything. So I opened the first outlets on Kiambu Road. That's when I was expecting to be the first one. And there's this history but now I opened another one during COVID in Siokimau because there was demand for it and that time I was residing in Siokimau so I thought it would be easier for me to take care of my kids and run an outlet. And also there was so much demand for training. Now, let me also mention that we also deal in value addition to dairy which is yoghurt we do organic yoghurt which we are really popular in UNFO. So we do organic probiotic yoghurt like it's chemical free preservative free additive free So I had started making already and I didn't have space for it and people wanted to be trained on how to make yoghurt and I can train from home. So that's where I opened the second outlet so that I'm able to train people at least I have a space and so far we've trained almost a thousand people around the country. Yes. So it's all that you had a business that didn't work out very well but you did not call it quits the end of the world is here we are finished, you just up and went and use the next skill you had. Oh my friend, in fact I tell people the good thing with kazi amikono nobody can take it from you you can do it anywhere in the world so as you can see when you first break that thing. I see this on social media because I'm really mad about their recipe it's not meant for what I'm doing but we found the use for it it's meant to scrub the bench it's a bench scraper like a kitchen bench let's say if you're rolling the icing hard icing or fondant icing so use it to scrape off the icing but I like using it to smoothen the cakes so we've put the cream all over and now I want to smoothen it I find it easier to use than using this is called a pallet knife you see it has no sharp edges so basically it's used for just applying the cream I'm so tempted to just I'll be doing so after this but as you can see you start from one side go into the other side you can't go right and then left so it depends on if you're left handed this is for the sake of consistency yes as you can see it's getting smoother and it helps that the table can move yes this is called a tan table it's meant for that yes so as you can see I've smoothened the sides I should have told you to do this but let me first be the top I'll show you where you'll come in so then you go and smoothen the top you're wondering where all this is going the cream that I'm removing you can use it in another cake actually I would advise you when you're decorating a cake don't take the cream back they are put in a different bowl it's just that the space you're working with is not that big so that you don't throw back the cramps inside okay I like how you applied generously the cream all around yes so that when you smoothen out it's back to a naked cake we call it a naked cake it's actually a theme you know what I mean so it's a naked cake it's on purpose yes it's a theme and it's lately trending we've been doing lots of wedding cakes with that theme so I want us to remove what's on the board so that at least your board will be clean hygiene is very important very when you're in the food business you don't have a choice and it's clean as you go na na na you'll find your room is so cumbersome like your kitchen so I want you to do something interesting let's say you have a baby shower cake like you want to do a baby shower theme and it's a girl so you're going to put pink that's mostly what we do so I want to do something called marble effect okay that's a little accident of ours has worked out for good we wanted to dilute my cream so you just put a little bit there like in patches there for me decorating cakes comes so naturally I can see you're not struggling at all I can do it in the dark is it therapeutic for you? very I tell people never retire from baking because for me it's therapy kwa yunga kwa neighbors yunga itokapu akum? the things I do are very I feel it's so therapeutic coming up with the design especially those intricate designs so we're going to smoothen out again okay using the make sure the party is clean so that it doesn't leave your cake with some patches so we're going to the same thing we did before okay I'm sure you've seen something like that before magic I'm sure you've seen something like that before but I've never known how it's done now I'm giving you business secrets so this is where I want you to come in I want to do something called piping piping we want to pipe in some rosettes I'll show you what exactly we do so this is called a piping bag these are disposable one and there are some others that are made of silicone material and then this kumetalik thing you're seeing here they're not cheap by the way like this one you'd buy like for 300 Bob this kumetalik thing is called a nozzle they come in different designs depending on what you want to do the baskets with this one is called for the rosettes so they even have numbers like this one is 1M so you don't need to buy everything when you're starting so here speaking of buying things and starting do you need like a whole large amount of capital to start baking? that's a mistake I did when I was starting I did that mistake I bought too many things there's a thing that's too many let me tell you let me tell you mine when I train you I give you a list of the things that are very essential because I made that mistake for me I didn't have somebody to advise me to give me a list to start with this so every money that was coming in if I see something that is baking related I don't even know the use so that's a mistake I did and I keep saying if there's something I would want to do especially for my students or those people maybe I mentor is to show them not to do the mistakes I did so I'm very particular about that so you don't need much let me say starting baking business is slightly more expensive than something like yogurt because yogurt you need about maybe 5,000 to start off and with that 5,000 to 6,000 you are about to make about 500 litres of yogurt about 500 litres the package to start baking you need some little more accessories but still not very expensive because even with that 5,000 you can buy a kahan mixer that is about 2,500 then you buy to nozor, kamahutu just the things that you must need and then as business continues you use that money to keep building a business you plow the money back to the business instead of you so I always advise you let the business grow itself that's very smart so we're going to put something called rosette you're coming to do this where? I may not do it as well as you I've done the first one I'll do the second one I can hear Stefan laughing to start at the middle like this and then you take right go back ok I see the E I know it looks easy just come here and let's see what you can do it does not look easy you are the one who is making it look easy alright so you start in the middle am I afraid to play with it just twist it here it doesn't come out oh there's a very high possibility now you keep pressing ok but you have to press I like how you explain you must be such a wonderful teacher I love trading I love doing it until I started doing aha you're doing so well omg guys omg ok you've done this before not even ok try not to go too much to the inside because you're creating a border but you're doing really well just press a little more so that zifanani you see you're doing well just try the next one for the first time believe me you're doing well try to lay it on top of the other one like I did here so start here then go all the way there no no no no you're doing so well no but it's true you're doing so well alright so as I am very constituent in doing this tell me something they tell me you are a survivor of gender based violence and you have already started at your own NGO by that matter she's missed something I won't tell us about you being beautiful again I was a finalist in Mrs. Universe 2022-2023 and currently the Mrs. Universe Machakos County so basically what Mrs. Universe stands for is to try and put an end to gender based violence and that's the main reason why I contested I don't have to move I can forgot but you're doing so well by the way that's the main reason why I contested because I feel like there are so many people who don't really have a voice and they are going through some kind of abuse it could be emotional financial could be physical I have never thought of financial abuse oh yes like you're at home but maybe your spouse is not even let me just say you're being denied of finances let's say to provide for the family and I'm talking about maybe in marriage specifically that's where mostly you'd find I'm talking about financial abuse and it's something I've experienced a bit of it and I thought why not just put one more so that we can do something at the bottom so I thought how about that woman because it took me a lot of going through depression and something like that and we've heard of so many cases people losing their lives maybe to depression so I thought now that I was able to get out of it how about I encourage somebody I empower another woman who may not be able to speak out and who may not be able to get out of such kind of setup maybe because they are not economically empowered so what we do I recently registered an NGO under the name Brighter Boulder Beginnings just as the name suggests you starting afresh Boulder this time Brighter you know more just to encourage that person who is going through abuse or who just got some abuse you could be a victim or a survivor just to let them know that you can start all over again you can rebuild your confidence you can rebuild your self esteem and it's not the end of life so I say we teach people how to fish we don't give them fish so ya it's very biblical even so what I do is basically to give people skills and to empower them economically and through that if maybe somebody may want to be connected to an organization like feeder I can give you a guideline of how to do it some people maybe all they need is a counselor some people even are financially able but they are still going through abuse they just need somebody to let them realize that what you are going through is not normal thank you for saying that because when you actually I'm also a survivor of gender based violence but that's a story for another day but the worst part is you go through life thinking what's happening to you is very normal I hope you can see what I'm doing I'm listening and getting out of that space by the time you are realizing there are so many things you have to unlearn and then you made to believe you see what I was doing you made to believe that it's okay for you to go through abuse that you kufumilia try not to use both hands you put so much pressure just relax, watch how you flow you can hold here if you feel like you need to be precise with it but you're trying really the first time this is amazing but anyway it's about letting somebody know that you actually worth it because most abusers will make especially narcissists they want to leave you in a state such a bad state where you can't even go anywhere you've been separated from all your friends all your family and you really feel like you're nothing so it's just basically to create that space for somebody who wants to talk to someone to encourage them if they've lost their career some of them they actually have their career at place and everything but they're staying because of the kids and let me also mention I'm not talking about GBV just in the marriage setup there's also children let's say girls who've been sexually abused and the reason why they exposed to an environment like that is because maybe after school they can't afford the small pleasures like small makeup, lipstick so they tend to move towards maybe the opposite gender let me say a man because they can't afford those things so maybe because of she's looking for 200 so she ended up being abused and she's thinking but he's going to give me money maybe you didn't even give consent it's just that you're looking at okay I'm going to get money out of this so yeah so it's not it's not just about the marriage to abuse I mean in the marriage setup there's so much abuse going on even at the workplace people being sexually abused and even verbal abuse is still abuse how do you advise someone to deal with that especially when for example you are my boss and you keep speaking to me in a certain way how do you advise me to deal with that especially you know you oh you're scared of losing your job thank you for saying it out loud and like that's the person at the highest level not the highest but above you because I would say if let it to immediate manager just take a bold step that this person is doing this to you if it's possible for you to even do a small recording that you can even report to let's say a police station because police says to store in a mandamanos only actually there is even a department for GBV so you find that you able to even call or report especially if you have let's take evidence you can have somebody maybe doing a recording let's say if it's bubble you can you can even record let's say using your phone if it's something that is physical or maybe touching you anyhow inappropriately you can have it recorded okay and if it's a student and a teacher type situation and maybe no that one you can report even to the ministry I mean I've had so many people reporting if the head teacher is not listening to you go to the next person maybe at the county level or something and they're really taking these things very seriously yes they're taking this this is a Shidi Nakwanga emotional heina ga evidence so it is for you to decide to take that step this is not what I deserve I deserve better so it's for you to take that step and decide you know what I can just remain here just because somebody feels like they are in control of my space or my job because and that's the problem most of the times when you tell somebody you went through abuse and it's not physical anakumda anakuchapa kama uchapa yo sisi rias mas sisi rias ibasu kai and that's why most people have because the stigma also of let's say working out of a relationship that is abusive so many people are not able to talk and I think that's why I say my training is not just about the baking I try to understand that person's background especially especially I try because I've worked in those shoes and I believe I've worked in those shoes I was made to work in those shoes so that I can be I am able to inspire somebody else I can be of help to somebody else otherwise if I didn't what would I be I would just be thinking look at it what is that I wouldn't really be able to say anything because I don't understand I've not worked in those shoes but I usually say I really love to hear women being empowered because it gives you a voice and if you're staying in a relationship let's say in this case maybe a relationship or marriage you're staying because you love this person and not because of what they're providing for you like I tell people God forbid you lose your spouse you're not mourning a breadwinner you're mourning a friend, a father, a companion so your first thought is not oh my god how will I pay school fees no you're thinking I've lost the father to my children I've lost my friend so the rest come after and that only happens if you're empowered and imagine it doesn't take so much it just takes you having simple skills like even tailoring I have an amazing tailor who is in Kibera and she does a fantastic job and you find that you always want to promote her business and because she goes to Mombasa she can see that business and you'll find customers telling her I send cakes even I've taken a wedding cake to Masai Mara because people believe in my art I've taken cakes even to Mombasa people believe in your art make me believe in your art you know I don't want anybody else's cakes actually my next question was going to be were you not afraid to start something that is already in existence kuku kachiru kajembe navenyaku naatu wengi brands even the very famous these names who are already doing what I want to do and I don't want to try because you did not have that meeting with yourself you see when I started I didn't really want to start as a business it's my customers who made me do the business ili muso a li kula kekiya ko nili kula kekiya ko somebody told me yesterday as I love your orange cake I'm just thinking wow she just elated another flavor and you hear 3-4 customers telling you they love that flavor now you start recommending it to other customers because she's only representing so many people so that's I just started that way then the other thing is our cakes we don't just put flavors we put real fruits we put like this cake we've done 3 layers there's bubblegum that one mostly is for kids but even adults nowadays love it there's the orange that orange I'm telling you about then there's pinakolada pinakolada has fresh pineapple yani asoko pineapple and coconut kutana na matyungu apondani but now we have a way of incorporating such that the cake doesn't sink so when I tell you I'm giving you a passion fruit cake expect to even the flavor of Q&J you can smell that passion fruit nani uko e liya na saye that would make us different actually it made us so different because you find that most people in the market in the industry they're using flavors so for you to stand out you have to be different the other thing we don't use preservatives in our cakes fresh cakes if you order today I tell you since the next one hour why because I'm baking from scratch it's custom made we've given it all their attention love even I can feel the love in it for us I tell people the secret ingredient is love I love doing what I do that shows so basically being afraid not really but the mistake I did I didn't know how to do costing properly that's where nowadays I had to incorporate it in all my classes whether it's the yoghurt and ice cream or the baking I had to include the costing class because what I did I didn't know how to do costing properly so what I did to a certain cake house even if I'm not charged I will charge 100 less so that I'm able to sell not knowing that their costs are very different from mine I don't really know what they use and that's what I tell clients when a client comes to me and tells me muna kikiakoni 3000 for a KG naspa maketinona ni miyanane I keep telling them I don't know what they have used I only know what I have used because we use premium ingredients we don't compromise when it comes to quality if a cake comes out and I'm not happy with it I trash it yes if I'm not happy with the texture watch your taste and then she will be happy to go atu atu atu we don't like it so for us cakes are not just baking we have in mind I tell people when I'm baking you see like they have done this cake ordinarily I put fillings in our cakes if it's an orange cake I put orange card freshly made from scratch if it's pinakolada I use pineapple filling so for us it's not just a cake that you're not going to taste such a cake anywhere else an experience thank you we sell you an experience I don't want it so it's not just a cake how do we start ordering once again how do we send you on social media we are on Instagram eBaker's creations we are on Facebook eBaker's you'll see some capital letters but even if you just write at eBaker's creations you'll see a page and I've been on YouTube but I've been away for some time but I'm coming back with some more recipes I share recipes where you can just bake something at home and the YouTube channel is called Baking it in Life why baking it in life because I actually branded it was just about baking but now I want also to incorporate not just the baking but also baking it in life you're making it in life but you're baking your life that's something like that also about the GBV activity just being able to bring people on board people have gone through GBV also trying to give them new skills but we already have some recipes that you can try just check Baking it in Life and you'll see the content we've already created taking a long break there's a lot that was happening in between I've been doing a lot of training because I don't only train in Nairobi I train country wide Busea, Kisumu, Kakamega Eldoret, Nakuru so that long break for original training made me take a break from YouTube because it's a lot of work but now we are back you should expect to see some videos in the next few days do you clap yourself once in a while like good job Mr. Yudinja? I actually the impact what I have what I do has until I get it from my students because you see for you you feel like you're doing something that is so natural to you but especially I remember I was telling somebody on women's day the messages I got from my students and I'm thinking wow people telling you how especially the yogurt class like we have one tomorrow it's in Kasarani just it's a journey house it's a bakery as well sometimes my trainings are hosted in bakeries or restaurants institutions I was in Nanyuki actually that's where I got a kaflu from I was in Nanyuki a few days ago I was training somebody, a mama nice lady, she's located to Kenya she has her cows just showing her how to get 4 times of the income she's getting from her cows and she's so happy I taught her how to do mazualala yogurt we spent 2 days there to Nakamua and now we have noticed something like this before you see you see the line you said just now I think I get that line almost every day from my students something I didn't think I was doing anything much there's a lady who told me the other day my husband lost his job during covid we had kids even in campus we did the one day course that you gave me I'm able to take care of my children pay campus one day course you said yes from morning to evening and then now I add you to I like the mentorship program like if you have any challenge come to me and like the one for tomorrow I've even invested somebody from the bank to show people how to get finances yes, for your business from a bank we also even teach you how to register your business from the East Citizen to the Keb certification like we walk with you literally that way and it is a word that makes me happy at the end of the day when my students told me I learnt more than I came here to learn you exceeded my expectation I don't think there's anything more I don't think there's anything that is as fulfilling as I've ever done in my life the training I do is the most fulfilling thing I've ever done they haven't feeling my pocket is empty you're not creating employment being able to empowering women some are much older than me some are retired we also have men who come for training by the way yes we have I remember I think one of my first students he was almost retiring so he wanted a side hustle with yoghats yes because we take you through the whole process add to the Keb certification because we also want you to operate with the right papers not that you cannot work from home and sell yoghats but those who want to supply like to institutions and all that in some of these institutions they'll ask you for the Keb certification Kenya Bureau of Standards so you take you through the whole process imagine this one day training all that I show you how to market, I show you how to cost you need to buy yoghats you need to sell yoghats and ice cream booking and appointment Steph I can hear you we have just been reminded of a very beautiful director stroke producer her birthday is coming up Jeffrey don't panic we have a plug now we know where to get your cake from we have to order so that we don't have to guess what flavor you like so while we were having conversations on the top decorative you can put your message maybe on the board if there's space in that case use a bigger board if not you don't really have to put sprinkles it's just that we didn't have a message to write would have written it on top now the other thing is some people ask me you kiki kini me decorate in a 5 minute nuna nuzia tawatatu what people don't know is it didn't take me one day to be able to decorate a cake in this long the first cake I made nili decorate the whole night kiki nusia na hivi like the whole night and the problem with this cream wuki weka sana inaza kuye yuka so it took me the whole night usha achukwa pesea customer I've had an experience of even going to deliver a client's cake ya wedding inavuji kakwa barabara yes what did you do I got to the location and tried to put things together we had an amazing groom I think he's a British guy so he just came and the bride came and told me usha this things happen you didn't wish for this to happen and he told me you know what just go where you dancing shoes come and celebrate he just told me set the cake the way it is but I'm telling you I cried in fact I remember the accident started in Mombasa I was going to Karen it was in 2015 I parked in the middle of the road and I cried so I'm even getting more late but I was getting to the venue I was feeling frustrated so when they came and told me that I was like wow there are people who are like this they really exist but after that it took me 2 months break no I couldn't come first my friend you can collapse you just said broke my heart did that thing so I can only imagine what you were feeling at the time it's not a joke but I realized there are some things I didn't really know how to do correctly so what I've done over the years if I tell you every year I have to attend 2 trainings with you look for somebody who has an extra thing that you don't know let's say making flowers differently sugar flowers maybe you like the way finishing on her cakes recently I trained with one of the best South African artist she's South African she's very popular in South Africa and sometimes you have to invest a lot of money because like that one we paid 90,000 for 4 days 90 but you see if I want to train somebody I don't want to give you have baked information and I have to be sure I'm perfect at what I do so I have to show you all these tricks I've traveled to the Higa Kwanzaa when I was expectant to learn how to decorate I've trained with some West Africans Kenyans who have been training for longer so you have to really the same way doctors keep going back to school lawyers keep going back to school so if this is what I do for a living when should I settle I really like that you remain teachable there are people I know who think now that they are at their peak I don't even shy of there's a class I attended and some people are actually beginners they're like how come you came to class and I've been looking up to you I said I came here to learn something that I don't know believe me I might have spent like 50k and I learnt only one thing but we say I wouldn't have learnt that one thing if I didn't attend that class and sometimes it's good to learn what other people are doing differently sometimes even with my friends who are my sugar sisters maybe in the same industry but she knows something maybe I don't know or she's perfect in one area that I'm not so most of the people who attended my yogurt classes actually bakers and they come to me some of them are experts in baking but they've come to learn from me something they don't have so when somebody is unteachable I really don't know what kind of life they live they are trends everyday coming up so you really know how you need to learn as new skill everyday I wish this conversation I think you only matter I'm ready to eat the cake now guys come to the station eh I'm wambui as well ok ok sorry yes I tried my Facebook Y254 channel on Twitter Y254 underscore channel on the ground we have reached the end of this particular interview I have had an amazing time I hope you had an amazing time watching it she is phenomenal once again remind us how we can find you and have some of this yuminess in our lives so you can find us on Instagram you can find us on Facebook it's Ibikas but even if you just type it Ibikas Creations you will find us and you can reach us on our business line 0734 75017 I repeat 0734 75017 you don't even need to count you can find us on Instagram you can find us on Facebook it's Ibikas 017 you don't even need to come physically but our outlet is on Kiamburod at Tendegwa Ridge Center and Siyokimau Katani Road at a place called Mamarau but you know what at Oshichioke send a WhatsApp message we will respond promptly we will give you ideas 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