 computer. All right, beautiful. Hi, Natalie. Hi, good afternoon. It's good to see you. I missed you. It's only been a week and I miss you already. It means something. So three questions or three areas that came surface to my awareness when I was getting ready for our talk. The first one is your experience with psychedelic. Cool. The second one is your interview with Jason Reza Georgiani. Yep. And what happened in this interview? So when we get to the second point, I'll ask more. Cool. And the third one is what are you up to? And how do we bring all this juicy, powerful, potent knowledge, which in it for itself is energy, is conscious, is alive, is how do we bring this to become, how do we offer it actually, such that it becomes, how do we offer the knowledge that we have on your stimulation channel and in general, and additional researchers and speakers and interviewers, like the theory of everything with Kurt and so forth. How do we take all this incredible knowledge, synthesize it and make it available for global use for social transformation? Nice. You're totally, I have so much here more to say, but so I won't go into detail. Totally in my ballpark. Totally in my ballpark. Yeah. And well, let's blast off. So first question is entheogen use. So it's important to first recognize why I use the word entheogens instead of psychedelics. Psychedelics means mind manifesting, entheogens means unleashing God or the divine from within. And so it's very important to recognize what are these plant medicines? What are all these mystic traditions? What are all of them pointing to? It's for you to recognize the kingdom of God within you for you to unlock that sense of love, light, unity that everything already is, but that you forgot and fell asleep to that. And so my experience probably about a dozen or so times with entheogens over the last probably about half decade or so, everything from 5MU, DMT to LSD to magic mushrooms. And it's been incredible. The most neuroscientific simple way to explain it is that it's just the liberation of all contracted energy. That's it. It's just a liberation of contracted energy, contracted identity, contracted conditioning, contracted feelings of separation, because what you're doing is you're enabling all of these novel neural connectomics to be what basically magic mushrooms are. What they are, these mycorrhizal networks underground, they're mind blowing. It's just one cohesive underground sharing of resources. 95% of plants use fungi to share resources underground. Just let that sink in for a second. This multi-billion year old intelligence is signaling to us that, hey humans, there is no such thing as separation. None. Zero. Zero. It's completely imagined. It's completely fabricated. It's something that you have as a contracted energy bundled into. And what is self for God realization through concentration and meditation and self-realization and then this non-dual integration of your awakening? What is that besides the same process that what you're refilled by entheogens? It's the same thing. And so that's why people recommend concentration, meditation, entheogens, self-inquiry, who am I, this type of stuff. So that's the first question I highly recommend intelligently, wisely using entheogens, especially at micro dose level to just blast off. Let's get to the second and third questions and then you can pick up and ask follow-ups. Cool. So second question, Jason Reza Giorgiani. Very cool guy. I like him a lot. I think he's really smart. I think he's a great synthesis. I think he's a great synthesis of science and spirituality. I also feel like he has a great take on history. And I think that that's very crucial to understand the patterns of human dynamics and how they've emerged as well as where they're heading to. I feel like, I feel like sometimes it's really difficult to sort of get out of a worldview, which is sort of that. There is this battle between light and dark and we absolutely have to empower the light and it's all about the light and it's all about all the stuff, the type of stuff. And so to transcend even that battle and to just recognize that, yes, there is a flux between the energies of separation and contraction and ego and as well as the energy of unity and oneness and prosperity that are at in dynamical play and dance right now, but to not get overly attached and contracted about that dance. It's a fucking dance. That's what it is. It's not something for you to contract down to one side and be like, fuck all of you guys. That's always going to lead you just to more misery, just to more suffering. So it's already a cosmological phenomenon of awakening and it was really cool playing with Jason Reza-Georgiani, smart guy, great synthesis, thinking about great things about science and futurism and the integration of spirituality, super cutting edge there. But I did notice a little bit of that distinct sort of essence to it as well in our conversation that I mentioned earlier. Third question is around how do we synthesize and distill the essence of the nature of reality to the masses most optimally. So I do think it has a lot to do with parsing for signal and truth. I think that's really the ultimate way to do it. You parse for signal, you parse for truth, and then you disseminate that, you synthesize it and disseminate it through the most elegant explain like I'm five art and animation and VR and pedagogy that awakens the collective. So if you just take like Michelangelo Sistine Chapel and you turn that into the modern day synthesis of science and spirituality and entrepreneurship and art and all of the most profound cutting edge fields of everything that's emerging. And then you again, you refine it into explain like I'm five. So a young person can get it. And then you put that through VR and all of the different pedagogy technologies that are emerging and becoming available. I think that's pretty much the bingo ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, but you got to parse for signal. You've got to parse for truth. If you don't have a fire under your ass for truth, you are missing out. That's the number one thing about this parse for truth. Say more. Yes. So yeah, beautiful. I would say that that's the number one thing just in reality in general, the entire game of reality is all about parsing for truth. It's all about as you emerge. It's all about going like, who am I? What am I doing here? And the faster that you do that turn to the most highest signal, the most highest truth, and that you absolutely stay hyper open that and you stay hyper open to deconstructing yourself, which is the hardest thing for people to stay open to is because nobody wants to dissolve their little their little moth of separation into the flame of the infinite singularity that if you stay open and if you deconstruct yourself and if you parse for signal, like you have this massive fire under your ass, without a doubt, you are not only going to find the most cohesive, beautiful signal of truth available in reality, but then all that's going to happen is you're just going to start being not only so love and light around unity around your own energy sphere and other people, but you're going to notice that your moment to moment experience is going to be from a God realized place or from a source realized place or from a void or infinity realized place that your entire life is going to be like that your level of subtlety with the field is going to be so strong. This is something that I'm like really refining and learning right now is what we've been calling field dynamics right so field dynamics is how do these conscious agents play in the field well it's based on different levels of perception you could say everything is already a diamond that's the unity that's the suchness that's the homogeneity everything is already a diamond, but yet simultaneously the diamonds are gradient based on these seven you could say colors of the rainbow the seven chakras and so some diamonds are really red and orange and yellow and this third density style consciousness very coarse consciousness very difficult to talk to because all they do is talk about separation and ego and identity and contractions very difficult I was there same thing then you sort of open up that green chakra you open get into the heart you get into more of these love light like hippie stuff hippies hippies hippies hippies cool phase cool phase but recognize that it's a phase because what you have what do you have up next for you is you have blue indigo violet when you start really becoming wise you become more of a sage you know you learn how distance yourself from hippies and when you learn how to distance yourself from hippies what it gives you is it gives you more surgical levels of precision consciousness that's just unprecedented hippies will hold space for ego wisdom will not hold space for ego right that's a very simple difference and so now once you start getting really into this like six density level consciousness when in density by density we mean spiritual mass like density of love and light everything is just light dancing with itself electromagnetically these this quantum field theoretic uh electrodynamical play that everything is so when you get to these higher densities of love light consciousness love light awareness you actually begin tasting more and more direct experience moment to moment mirror consciousness god consciousness you become a servant truly to that you become you you shift more and more away from just everything is about hugging trees and everything's about cuddle puddles and you shift more and more towards i'm going to understand the field like a surgeon i'm going to watch as people who have words leave their mouth i'm going to watch what density of consciousness they're speaking from and that's a whole different ball game we're talking about like the world's leading spiritual athletes basically consciousness athletes like olympic level athletes perform at the six seventh density levels of consciousness like can you perform from all that is perpetually can you perform from source perpetually and literally watch as conditioning leaves people's mouths and then learn how to provide them with a very unique reflection that helps them upgrade their consciousness from whatever three let's say third three point five density to something that's closer to fourth density consciousness just by a little reflection of a profound question for them to go oh fuck i didn't see it that way before and then boom they unravel a bit more of their conditioning a bit more of their contraction gets liberated into freedom and that's what the whole game of reality is about it's contracted energies liberating themselves into freedom everything's already a diamond everything's already the suchness yet at the same time there's the appearance of separation ego contraction that's liberated into god back into its true nature back into infinity etc so that's the expansion on truth and signal and why having a fire under your ass and flaming it no matter what that's that's your lifeline to the creator that's your lifeline to god it's your lifeline to infinity it's your lifeline to dissolving into nothingness into emptiness which then gives you the ability to emerge into the field purely purely purely love you thanks for catalyzing this so beautiful nice don't have anything to ask anymore you picked up on the most important part truth and signal and then you asked me a follow-up on that do you feel similarly i agree with you completely i agree completely with everything you said um the truth you're talking about is this essence we were talking about in our previous conversation there's an essence there's a soul there is it like the suchness the easiness there so what i'm interested what i'm curious about let's let's say we take everything you just shared the last few minutes about parsing the for truth and sharing the truth sharing or being what's interesting for me is to decipher reveal interesting you use the word diamonds i use the word vessels okay so i'm i'm kind of doing a parallel between our cosmologies and this is something we talked about in our previous conversation how do cosmology stop with each other and illuminate different aspects of who they are through through another cosmology because you cannot illuminate yourself by yourself in a way you have to be almost like shown reflected engaged in danced with so as we're talking as our perspectives are talking i was looking for the parallels between between our cosmologies and then what what excites me what what truth is looking to be revealed through me right now in these in this period is could we could we reveal principles could we reveal uh ways of dancing in this could we reveal processes cycles and if we we are revealing then what are we revealing what is the what is the the data data not a good word what is what is the truth that is revealed and in is truth does truth have principles fundamental particles fundamental processes fundamental dynamics i'm curious about that beautiful let's play with the word principles first and let's play with dance second and then let's let's see what unfolds from that but i liked those to start so um so first of all you can just totally just start directly from simultaneity and just say that yeah this is an absolute ineffable mystery and there's without a doubt a zero percent chance that this entire that infinity absolute infinity that it can be mapped that we can in within grand theft auto which is like this game that we're in that we're going to be able to map the playstation five that's playing infinite games you can't you just can't and so a it's an absolute mystery cool so we're actually not going to be able to make an exact map okay cool yet at the same time we can make as close of a map as we can to what this grand theft auto universe simulation is and so we may as well we may as well although there is just suchness there's just isness and we just described these things as fucking subatomic particles and mind body spirit complexes that are dancing on planets and shit that those are just words and concepts and ideas and yeah they're useful of course they're useful that's what enables us to have this call at four p.m if we didn't have fucking time we went it's great because it's reality is timeless time is an illusion true but at the same time time is just how we measure the cycle of an earth day and now we're able to meet at four p.m and fucking have a call like so you really have to have the simultaneity where you can see the usefulness like if you didn't understand anything at all about electromagnetism you didn't get anything at all about how to be able to send information across fucking air that then and if we didn't have brilliant people that studied that relentlessly and built technology that was able to do that brah you couldn't do shit for eight hours a day that you normally do on your phone and your computer so there's obvious great utility to this as well and so it's just the simultaneity of what I call map and no map right so map and no map do you can you hold both at the same time can you not become attached and obsessed to the to to all of the different ways that quantum field theory works and that you sit there as a physicist going but you don't even know you're not even aware that you're god while you're doing it it's so stupid it's hilarious it's funny as fuck and then there's all the spiritual people that are like oh bro I'm god I'm god I'm god and then they have no idea how to meet the planet's basic needs so this is the this is the game that we're playing do you know how to do both simultaneously can you meet the sustainable development goals can you understand science and entrepreneurship while at the same time understanding yourself as god as absolute nothingness and absolute infinity can you understand the suchness that is right in front of your face can you understand this is the mystery talking to itself it's not atlas talking to natalie it's the mystery talking to itself it's infinity talking to itself it's the dance that's happening so the first thing's the simultaneity of map and no map and the second thing is that so that's for principles right so the first things with principles map and no map parse for truth no attachments at all but maximize human potential simple stuff and get the fuck out of your little silo and just blast yourself into the suchness that's right in front of your face so the first word was principles and remind me what the second word was again the dance and we mentioned that a little bit already so these three are the core principles parse for truth maximize human potential map no map oh those are cool yeah those are cool for sure for sure um parse for truth probably one and maximize human potential for sure yeah map no map is good but those those two are really high uh parse for signal parse for signal and maximize your potential the more people that are maximized and their human potential the more that we can parse for truth together collectively yeah so it makes perfect so listen because english is not my first language tell me what is parse for truth what what is the word parse that's cool that's cool um so parse just means finding signal so when you have a bunch of you mentioned the word earlier data right you have a bunch of data just take take a simple example like you have a book you have a big fucking book and the book has fucking 200 pages in it and what are you doing what are you doing first of all do you know how to sit your ass down for eight straight hours and read a book because if you don't bitch you're losing at the game maybe that's a really true thing we've been doing it for thousands of years it's one of the easiest ways to become awake fast so first of all you have to find which book to read which is itself is parsing parsing is going through the millions of books and finding the book that has the greatest signal first what's the synonym for parsing finding that's good finding is good what else parsing means also sifting through noise yeah you're sifting through noise to find signal you're sifting through data to find what screams in highest resonance so i got it i got it i got it i got it so now so i'm going back to the principle we're not moving yet to the second one to the dance we mentioned it a little bit earlier too we in the first expansion the first concept a bit on dance already but yeah i like how you boiled it down to parsing for truth and maximizing human potential and i really want to give a shout out to vivian ming who in 2015 was the first that introduced me to maximize human potential as like an aphorism something that you could like a mantra something that you could repeat over and over again to really guide your attention towards service to others towards maximizing potential yeah yeah beautiful so now how do you how do you define truth or how do you see truth how do you express truth what is truth for you what is real what is real what is real what is real what is real means that which does not change everything is impermanent absolutely everything is impermanent flux you could even say that the only permanence is impermanence itself and there is just one thing that does not change and that is simply comprehension that's the only thing that doesn't change it's the black hole that comprehends everything this you mean awareness consciousness yeah you could use those words as well but i like to specifically go directly to comprehension i like specifically you could say the power to know you could say the formlessness that's constantly interpreting everything the infinite reality that is the very source of god itself the infinite reality that gave birth to this god universe and that is now comprehending it so the infinite mystery that gave birth to the god universe itself that is now undergoing this dance of one of infinite possibilities is itself what is most real so what is hearing my voice right now is what is most real what is comprehending my voice right now is what is most real not a person not atlas not natalie because atlas and natalie will go but what is comprehending behind and beyond the characters that which nothing can ever alter that which is most real that is truth that which comprehends infinite creation that which comprehends infinite impermanence is another way to say it what comprehends infinite impermanence if you're infinite you will never come to the end of exploration and yet there is something that comprehends the infinite exploration it's what we've been it's what we'll always be the furthest back you can go the absolute furthest back you can go the absolute furthest inward you can go and so truth is that truth is that which simply is comprehending what is happening right now that's reality and everything in front of that everything in front of that you could call unreal which is this atlas character talking to this natalie character but it's also real at the same time and that's the game but what is most real is that's what that which is comprehending at all excuse me when you when you make love what does it have to do with comprehension when you're making love when you're making love when you yes what comprehension has nothing i mean i'm just looking at what you're saying i mean i can see i can talk about awareness i can talk about do you like the word experience more because because comprehension for me gets very in the in the 567 and beyond chakras and what about the eminence you know we're talking about transcendence but what about the actual like when you're taking a shower and you're experiencing or feeling the water on your skin yeah yes word experiencing yeah but but see so i'm going back to truth i'm not i'm not there yet i'm not there yet in terms of satisfaction i'm not satisfied so so you mentioned at the beginning you said truth is that that does not change then you talked about the one that comprehends the what comprehends infinite exploration but see in in in insolment you have perspectives it's all and you're very attached based on my listening to you and you're very much the the the cosmic the primordial the the essential perspective but well you can you can take now we can both take a perspective of an ant and have this conversation from a perspective of an ant and it still will not will not if it's truth it has to give us the same results so what am i trying to say the same thing that's comprehending what i'm saying right now is the same thing that's comprehending in every single one of us that's it and you can play on the word comprehending you can play on the word awareness you can play on the word experience you can play on the word the power to know it really doesn't matter it's a fucking word when you take a shower tell me the truth there yeah your experience of taking the shower and feeling the water like let's say after your your after you have to have the simultaneity where you both can feel the experience the indescribability of the experience or the comprehension the awareness of taking a shower and yet at the same time be so absolutely transcended from the dream substrate itself that you don't even have the experience of taking the shower yes exactly so so so my question is beautiful beautiful the the holding the multiple layers or the multiple levels yeah of of of this moment of this isn't suchness but then from that what is truth so there's you you have to figure it out for yourself no tell me tell me i'm serious like um but here's the thing though right um no concepts none of this conversation is it it's just not it so i know but we talked about map no map i know i know there's map and territory we will also we'll also just words even words yes even us just talking right now is almost probably less it than just being silent right and that's why it's really just up to the fire of truth under the ass of the individuated unit the individuated expression because if the fire under the ass of the individuated expression is bright enough then it will itself discover its true nature and it will then recognize the hilarity of all of these concepts because we spent half an hour talking about parsing for truth and about signal and about the importance of of maximizing potential and having a map and not having a map at the same time and the difference between comprehension and awareness and nothing and everything and the field and suchness and these different densities of consciousness and then great concepts they're great ideas they've helped me so much and they helped me serve others that are seeking so much so again it's simultaneity with concepts and no concepts and so this is just uh this is just like you gotta figure it out for yourself more than anything um i this is always the number one thing is figure it out for yourself more than anything else like what is the rank order of of what is at the top of your perception or awareness and if the number one thing is not truth then you're stuck in the illusion so if truth which for the vast majority of people that are in third density including myself in matrix level consciousness including myself in the past truth is number 15 on the rank order if your number one desire is not truth you will be stuck in the matrix and so the only thing that shifts you into this state is direct experience of it yourself direct realization of it yourself which is done completely by shifting what is at the top of the rank order of your priorities nothing beats truth nothing nothing nothing the whole point of this game is for you to surrender to the fact that nothing beats truth being at the top of your perception the second that you surrender all of your other bullshit desires that are all maya or the illusion or the intoxication that are reeling you outward thinking that you're going to get peace and happiness from relationships and substances and experiences this is why the word experiences again it's very tricky you can't necessarily use the word experience as well for the ultimate nature because experiences is so deeply intertwined with maya so deeply because everything's in in third density consciousness all much of it is about experience seeking i'm going to get a substance i'm going to get a relationship i'm going to get an experience i'm going to get something that's going to validate my unworthiness my identity contraction separation and through that process then i will be filled then i will be whole then i will be worthy then i will have happiness and peace and so that's why experience is tricky but comprehension you can't argue with it you can't argue with it there's something that's comprehending my voice it's so mysterious and so ineffable and it's the only thing that's shared in our essence and so i go with that that's what my realization has been many other realizations have confirmed this as well it's excellent it's super fun it's super beautiful it's a big game it's a big dance that this all is and again what is at the top of your rank order of priorities is it truth because if it's not truth you're stuck if it is truth you're awakening that's it it's the only game in town is putting truth at the top of your rank order of priorities it's only game in town realizing the one recognizing the one awakening from the dream awakening from the illusion recognizing your true nature and then coming from that true nature perpetually over and over again it's your job it becomes your job to come from the true nature over and over again and your job as in a great way because it's the only thing that's left to do once you pierce this veil is avail and recognize your true nature guess what there's nothing left to do you can't do anything anymore i can't go experience literally i have this moment happen to me consistently now where i just i go like and then i go and then i just go because there's just nowhere to go i can't go do something that's going to make me anything anymore nothing so now it's just i'm already the absolute infinite reality i am it and so now what happens is just the field shows up to me more and more and the field just shows up and it inquires the field dynamic itself presents itself to me and then knock knock knock the will the agency that is located in the mind body spirit complex that's individuated that is seeking wholeness that is seeking upgrades and perception self realization god realization comes knocking at the atlas mind body spirit complex door in the field and then ding dong and then atlas just responds just totally more and more purely from absolute sourcefulness in service to that mind body spirit complex individuation awakening that's the only game that's left in town now and then it's just purifying that it's just purifying that more and more can atlas get every single last bit of identity contraction separation dissolved totally dissolved can atlas become 100 god purely absolutely purely and that's just what this is this what's happening right now and it's beautiful and it again it's a it's a realization and then it's an abiding it's an abiding and it's a field dynamics it's it's surgery it's precision consciousness love you natalie thank you for instigating this this is so beautiful i'm so grateful it's beautiful i and i want to ask you again i want to ask you again what is truth just that which is real that which is most real that which does not change that which hears my voice that's it the suchness is dancing so the truth the suchness isness this moment yes yes yes so here this is we're talking in the we're talking in the highest ballpark possible right now at least in this dimension to this extent of infinity we're talking at the highest comprehension level right now of what is truest what is most real the very dance of suchness the very dance of isness the very dance of god that this all is all possibilities dancing is the absolute highest god self realization and you could say that that is it totally you could say that that is it but then you ask what is comprehending that what is aware of god's dance what is aware of the dance of suchness what is aware of the dance of the interpenetration of allness of all that is it's just an aspect of that i believe the comprehension is an aspect the suchness isness this this this this is the truth the one that comprehends the one that experiences the one that dances it's just an aspect of that you understand so and and when you use the word comprehend it's it serves it serves your perspective and it feels right for you it resonates with you um for me experience is way more than just going and getting something experiences this moment this moment as a rising between us and as it's a rising the beauty the gentleness the color the taste of our experience together of the blue around us the blue on your shirt the blue on the this painting the blue on my dress yeah but you're describing right now right you're describing experience right and describing experience is a fascinating and important and beautiful thing because you can be god describing the dance you can be god experiencing the dance right but then i ask you the question what is comprehending the dance itself what is comprehending you describing the aspect of me it's an aspect it's here it's perception it's perspective it's just an aspect it's an aspect of it's beautiful i would just challenge that you persistently have have said that it's here it's here it's here and so for me it's not there just saying for me it's not here for me this is not above the head here mess it's literally every single possible subatomic bit is made of love and that this is it dancing and that it's not here it's this just the comprehension the comprehension it's it's it's an aspect of the the truth the comprehension is just an aspect i i agree about love i agree cool well i would say that comprehension is the only thing that doesn't come and go that's another way to say it comprehension is the only thing that does not come and go and it's not a thing and that's why people overlook it that's why so few people have access to truest reality truest nature so comprehension is awareness of awareness is awareness of the suchness is the consciousness you could say that awareness of suchness you could say that yeah okay okay okay so so you can have an experience and have an awareness of suchness and still take a shower and steal so what i'm trying to say that the comprehension is a quality is an aspect is a is a there you go there you go that which is aware of suchness go for that that's good that which is aware of suchness that which is aware of infinite creation that which is comprehending everything endlessly forever eternity comprehending infinity okay yes okay i'm with you i'm with you uh but i love you so much you're so good i love your pokey pokeyness it's so good it's so good you can't just say that oh yeah yeah uh huh uh huh because i've also learned that as well is that i gotta poke i gotta dig i gotta get in there but at the same time this is where we said earlier that it's all about the direct experience it's all about the realization in one's unique taste and journey and we're gonna have people that watch this and that the number one thing with this parsing for truth thing is all about your unique experience and realization with what the nature of reality is that's why you're here you are literally here as an expression of the one to burst through this veil is veil and awaken and you're gonna have a unique taste a unique style of awakening and that's and it's never been done before yeah so welcome and to this specifically because this is the only thing only thing that will give you exactly what you seek that underlies everything it underlies everything everything is made up of what we're talking about everything's made up of what we're talking about everything that you seek externally is located right here in your heart it's already here it's already love dancing with itself and your unique expression and that's very important too because non-duality very frequently just takes a shit on the individual and it's very important to have simultaneity to know that yeah yeah yeah it's such nice dancing yes yes yes we're aware of that very good very good yet there is this apparent Natalie character in this apparent atlas character and it's beautiful for that to be the case it's beautiful that this atlas character has these unique attributes and that that the atlas character did this thing and that this caused him to awaken and that Natalie did the thing and cost her to awaken and then these people do their things cause them to awaken nobody's got this exact same signature you got this little thumbprint like enjoy that don't just poo poo all over individuation like it's cool like in Natalie has installment atlas simulation like these are these are you can't say that they're the same thing only they're both the same made up of the same suchness and yet they're also different unique expressions of it and if you can't have that simultaneity you haven't fully realized great so so my question is beautiful beautiful beautiful so i want to go back to how we started talking about broadcasting signal of truth in different ways vr animation education movies so cool so let's take an example like cosmogenesis or a biogenesis just take your eyeballs and just put them at either the big bang if you want to go there you don't have to or at a biogenesis meaning the first formation of a cell on planet earth you can just go there because there's still all this speculation around big bang just go directly to a biogenesis itself go there the first cell on planet earth and put your fucking eyeballs there that's it that's the whole game now what the cell becomes two the two become four it becomes thousands of species that then also become millions of different species and then go on to land and then fucking birth conscious agents talking to itself you're the whole thing you're the entire dance itself and it's all vibratory it's all energy dancing and so that's so simple it can be boiled down into a little minute long vr experience where it's like you pop into the first cell and then you're like you're at all and it's all dancing with itself and then so these are the types of things that can be put into pedagogy even into little tiktok videos as well it can be put all over the place in terms of media and content and it's very exciting because it's so simple but at the same time i do see it as a sort of like a like a digital sistine chapel at the same time because it's it's a little bit more um to take everything that we just talked about in this 50 minute conversation and to put it into a 15 second tiktok video or a 15 second vr experience is uh it's a great challenge it's very beautiful but at the same time i do see it being like a sistine chapel style level of artwork that enables people to really walk through the whoa like this is what this all is like this is what yeah so so tell me tell me the projects you're working on right now or what's what's next for simulation for atlas what's next or what is yeah so everything is under igniting global awakening so you can call that i ga igniting global awakening um and there's an endless amount of ways to do this there's an endless amount of ways to maximize human potential an endless amount of ways to assist people in their meditation and their concentration and their realizations and there's an endless amount of ways to create maps and to also encourage people to not have maps and also to see the love like unity dancing with itself so for me specifically it's a lot of my attention right now is directed towards igniting global awakening specifically through both the no-limit society so it's something i'm working really closely with right now with bantino massaro and the team here and also i'm um continuing to of course build out simulation and i'm very very excited about that we also just published uh i published my third book i co-authored it with my very close friend skyra very close brother of mine and he and i published the book called what is i and it's a very simple book on self inquiry that just simplifies source in a very adult children's style dynamic so it's all just honed in on igniting global awakening and it's doing it through a diverse amount of um aspects to this and um it's actually quite uh beautiful how many different ways that it's unfolding and also i highly encourage our audience to also check out the interview with natalie insolment and check out her work because it's just basically taking exactly what we talked about and also visualizing it really simply and profoundly and uniquely uniquely is the key and so this is why we vibe really well and that we're yeah thank you so so look we have just a few more minutes left and i want to talk to you more maybe next time cool specifically about the no limit society the building the simulation can you say a few more like we have maybe two more minutes and then we'll sign off cool yeah what does it look like to have a a collective of like-hearted souls that are all all spiritually awakened and that are precise with consciousness in the field dynamics of serving it pure service to others with awakening the field as it seeks to know itself um yeah that's in essence it and it's super exciting um because it's just it's like fucking Hogwarts really it's like how it's like it's like the Vikings it's like that level it's like navy seals meets Hogwarts meets Vikings and it's all a call to honor it's a call to duty it's a joy a call to play a call as a free agent of infinity to maximize the potential of this creation to awaken and then to serve your other selves awakening so beautiful beautiful Atlas wow i love you i love you amazing amazing thank you for letting me poke you thank you for letting me toss you around like a seaweed i enjoyed it and you did it pretty well and i want to have a continuation so we'll talk about next next interview next meeting and i love you thank you so much how beautiful this was together so nice wow thank you cool all right let me uh let me pause this