 This ain't nothing but some boss talk. If I sit here and I stand, don't shoot his on my side. This on command home, ain't nothing but some boss can get my hand. I heard the word on the street. It's a demand, don't know if I might've think this came from him. I'm from the trenches. I got this out the kitchen. When I talk, they pay attention. You get off something, make it better, listen. Check it, check it, check it. This is a unique hustle. It's your boy, E.C.O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing Mr. Mako. What's going on? Not, not my dad. Hey, man. Let's say, man, this here, this easy one right here for me, man. Hey, this one ain't hard at all, man. You know, some of them, you know, you be just kind of like, man, how's this one going to go? But this one here, man, I feel real good about it, man. Hey, man, you already know what it is, man. My boy, man, PGF Shouts in the building, man. What's going on? What's happening, man? What's happening? Man, you know, man, thank you so much, man. I thank God for putting you in my life, man. Man, I thank God for putting you in my life. Man, it just, it's unbelievable, man. When we started this whole thing, man, we didn't know what we were doing, you know what I'm saying? And we just basically did something just to say, hey, man, we feel to get in this game and try to make a difference, try to do something positive, inject positivity into this world, this social media, you know, world. That's the way I was looking at it. Right, right. And make a little money in the process. Definitely, definitely. I always make my own money. So, but when we did, we didn't know, there's some people that God put in our life, man, and you're one of those people, man, that I don't play about you, you know what I'm saying? I appreciate it, man. I ain't playing no games about you, man. Yeah, and the feel of mutual, man. Yeah, man, me and my wife, you know, when I come here, you know, it's a no brainer what I'm trying to do when I'm down here in Atlanta, man. I'm trying to get with you, nigga. I'm finding my guy, man, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, man. So, man, just, you know, last time we did, it's a lot that happened since the last interview, man. A lot, man. A lot, and it, when you look back down that whole road, you're like, man, you know, you never would have thought, you know, that a lot of the stuff that's going on today would be happening, but life just happened. Correct, it does. And ain't nothing you could do about it. Yeah, sure. So, what you got for shout today? You know, I like to always break you all, because you ain't gonna never give me all these things that you know what you both got at the conversation. No, I'm just chilling, but from the last time we interviewed you till today, what have changed in your life? Not only in business, because we know about immunity that's coming out, or that's out, I should say, but then I wanna know about your personal. My personal. You know, I gotta dig deep down in, because you're a terrific person. All right. Not so much changed with my personal though. I think I'm with the same family. That's big, and my circle don't change. And your mental space, because you know we're always growing, so we're always trying to think of new things to elevate ourselves. Correct, correct. So I'm trying to think, I'm trying to see what have you came up with from that time till now? From that time to now, oh man, I've been into a lot more than just music from that time to now. Okay. Like I told, I've been into the scripted world. Mm-hmm. No, I'm trying to learn that thing, man. You gotta put me up on game, man. Like I told you, I'm gonna bring my guy, Chalk, I'm gonna let him sit up here and talk about it. He really good with the financing. I love to do it, man. About the energy. Because everybody be talking about it, and you know, when people start talking about finances and crypto and stuff, it's like, you're like. Now, Chalk's out in the Wall Street trapper, man. Y'all gotta follow him on IG, man. He gonna put you down with a lot of game on the stock. I follow him, he give me a lot of game. He made it with it, man. Wow. Yeah. So as you, when you brought this, we gonna talk about the project, but when you brought it out, what made you, cause you be working, man. Right. I ain't never seen nothing like it, bro. Like I see a lot of cats, they say they're into music. A lot of them be trying to come on the show too. They be like, man, I wanna come out and look. I'm like, damn, you ain't did a song in two years, my name. You know, but that's not the way you do it, man. You always working. You're always trying to come up with something new. When you left me, you went upstate. I seen billboards and all type of stuff. You know what I mean? Posters. I said, man, my boy moving, man. You know what I'm saying? Gotta stay moving. Yeah. And I seen you doing podcast. You just don't stop, you know? And that's the part where I think a lot of these cats don't get it. Like you gotta put that work in, right? Oh, this mandatory, man. I think hard work out beat talent any day. What you gonna do in 2022 different than what, I mean, you know what you did in 2021 so far as the hustle, you know, I get excited about that kind of stuff. I'm gonna turn it up a notch. I just think about what I did this year with the whole Narcos campaign. I loved it. Moving up to this immunity project. I'm gonna take this into the new year, but I know I got Narcos two coming up. And I'm just trying to time that whole first campaign times three, like, you know what I mean? Trying to level up, you know what I mean? I wanna do a lot of promotion overseas this time. I wanna reach a whole another market, you know what I mean? Where exactly overseas are you thinking? UK, I heard it real big on the music scene. Like I said, I got some friends at Jamaica right now. They think they doing big. Definitely. Yeah, but just a lot of other areas, just besides the United States, you know what I'm saying? We're gonna tag the US, of course. I wanna reach out to other markets where they really enter, you know, different cultures of music, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's solid, that's solid, man. Yeah, so don't be surprised and make sure you see me overseas for two months, you know what I'm saying? Me and my crew take, you know what I'm saying? We over the Amsterdam or something like that. Yeah. It's definitely in the making, we'll be there. Ah, man, hey, listen, man, I already know how you move, man. Like I said, I ain't never seen, I like it. A lot of these guys, man, hey, take notes, man. P.F. Sheldon doing it right, man. For me, when it come down to the brand, the way you move it, man, it's just solidarity, bro. And I'm loving it, I'm loving the facts, man. And I know already the patience that you have. How do you get the patience that you have to see a project through and not get over anxious? That came from life experience, man. Might've came sitting there still. Yeah. Yeah, you just learn patience, man, waiting, you know what I mean? From having, being forced to wait. I think as a young, I was very impatient, you know what I mean? I think that kind of made me grow into learning that patience is a virtue, something that you must have. Yeah. Yeah, so, and now it's to the point where I kind of master having that patience and waiting and knowing when it's time. Because they've been bugging me about this project. It's probably been done, I'm saying that now, for about a month or two. And I was thinking about dropping it back in early October. But it was the feeling and the vibe and the timing that I didn't feel, you know what I'm saying? But the other day when bigger, bigger, me and bigger spoke, you know what I mean? I felt it. What you gonna do with this project? You just spoke the project, you ain't gonna put it out? I ain't no. Yeah, like I've been holding it. So how did you and him link up to even do this? Shot size again to my manager, dollar, dollar. You know what I mean? He liked to play with the backfield, but that's what it all, he reach out, he make it happen, you know? He called bigger. Me and bigger had already bumped into each other a few times at a couple of events, shot out the ATL top 20, my I-10 some day events. And me and bigger had a chance to be that one of the events we chopped it up in, you know? When me and bigger see each other, man, it's all love. And you know, he originally from Duval, you know, at that number of different floors. So we kind of vibe from that alone. I like it, man. Like I said, I know already when I see you and you working on something, I'm excited because I know already you putting your heart into it and it's gonna have some essence. That a lot of the music today, you know, and I don't wanna sound like no old head, you know what I'm saying? I'm old and cat, but it don't be having an essence to it. Where I know when you speaking, you speaking from a place sometime paying and it be real, you know what I mean? And I like that, man, because we don't get that a lot of times in our music no more. A lot of it's just pretty much the same thing repetitiously. And just to hear the conviction, the realness, that's what I feel is defines you outside of the, you know, the whole circle that we dealing with, you know? And not only that, the cadences, man. When you speak it, you spend it for real, you know? I try to put as much emotion as I can to my music when I'm making it, you know what I mean? I wanna express a lot of time that's how I feel it. So it ain't fake, it's really, really emotional, you know what I mean? Coming in that mic, so that's how it come out. But how hard is it too? Because when you write a song, you're feeling that moment right then and there. You know, something may have just happened and you're like, man, you put it on paper, whether you angry and you putting it out, or you just writing all emotions coming out on paper. But sometimes when it's time to go into the studio to record, that emotion already passed. Well, see, I'm blessed to be a studio right downstairs in my bed. So once I get married, you get to talk crazy, me on the phone and blah, blah, blah, I ain't going downstairs and you know, I can do it right then. I ain't gotta wait for that. I'm waiting until I get back, you know what I mean? And I- I always wonder how people tap back into that emotion. And sometimes it really, it be there. Regardless of how long it be, I'm a Scorpio. So I hold on to a grudge just like, like for real. So I might be holding on to something from 10 years ago that I ain't even wrapped about yet. I just ain't got to it yet. You know what I mean? It's, you know what I mean? But when it come about, you know what I mean? It's like that. Hey man, yeah, I get it, man. I'm grudging something else too though. But at the end of the day- I mean, I forgive, but the thing is hard to forget. But when you speak on it, it's actually healing. Right, it's still a period. That's right. That's exactly right. Definitely. So the song statistics with Charleston White, man, we got, I mean, you know, that's our guy, man. Right, that's our guy. Come on, man, you know how we feel about him. That's why we sitting here today. Just be real about it. I'll be real. I can't be fake, you know what I mean? That's a hard one. You know, how did you end up? Well, first of all, what made you put him on that track? Man, I watched Charleston White interview, man. And I think he spoke about some rappers. I'm not sure who it was or something. But, man, what he said was so goddamn real, man. Right, and I knew the nigga didn't like it what he was saying. The fuck nigga? I mean, I knew they didn't like it. And I loved that, man. I was like, man, I need this nigga to talk on my track, man. I didn't know how I was gonna reach out to him. I went to IG and I went to hitting him and that thing never hit back, you know. I said, man, bro, get here too. And I'm like, you know what I mean? I need you. Wow. Man, we've been on here since. Man, so that's when I got jealous about the White. Y'all remember I told you that? Right. I was jealous because y'all had linked up and left me out. Right, man. I was still in Dallas, you know what I'm saying? I was in Dallas, man. I said, man, look at this. Man, that thing is clean up there. You know, and I just love the way that that whole layout was when y'all went through the process. That's what's different about you as well. You put out content, man. You let us see what's going on. You know, you walk us up to it. I remember when you put that out and that was going on back then that y'all was processing it. Right, right. But you let us see it. See, a lot of people don't know how to do that. And then it's class to the way you let us see it. You didn't just bring us into anything. It was very laid out and professional when I seen y'all the process in that whole situation. Right, right. That was dope. Yeah, I had to get that man on the road. You know, it was crazy how he rooted out of Texas Fort Worth. You know, this is my daddy from, you know. I don't know what it was. If it was like I said, I think it was just more of a, I don't know what you called it, man. But it was just meant for us to be able to link up, man and really talk and have that one-on-one that sit down. Cause I think what he expresses to the industry, to the rap world and teach to the youth, man, is really needed about, you know what I mean? Not idolizing that character, man. Yeah, yeah. I think that affected a lot of us growing up as a kid. I know I idolized a lot of characters. Yeah, yeah. Even to find out them is really characters. You know what I mean? Now it hurts me, you know what I'm saying? But I idolized and thought them, they was the realest niggas in the world and I want to be like that shit. You know what I mean? I can't believe they tricked me. You know what I'm saying? So I'm glad he addressing that shit, man. I swear, man. That shit needs addressing, man. Yeah, yeah. A lot of people can't get it. So it ain't for everybody anyway. It ain't. Growing up and watching wrestling, I remember watching wrestling. That's the best way to put it. If you ain't said nothing about it, man. And I'm telling you, I loved it. I used to think all of that was real. You could not tell me that was not real. I'd go outside, jump off of something to jump on somebody, thinking I'm, but I'm going to hurt myself. And I used to always wonder, how they don't get hurt? In that shit. That shit is, that's the in that shit right now. Well, man, what about, you know, that song is dope. I love the video, man. Charleston in the back doing the arm thing. That's the way he do it. Boy, be straight flexing. That shit, that shit. And I be like, damn, you in that, you straight-spin that five. Hey, it is a problem, man. I love that track with hard, man. That manipulation, that's another one that, man. I can't, hey, I can't, that now going to play in my dick at all times. You know, I said dick, like the old way, you know? Yeah, nigga, I said dick. Right. Manipulation was a single, man. And I put it out there, not really knowing where I wanted to go with it. I just knew I really liked the song. And it caught a buzz, man. It picked up on a lot of radio stations. He in Georgia, Florida, I know in Philly. I know we reached Texas, Alabama. It kind of reached a couple of places, you know what I mean? And it's still rotating out heavily. And I hadn't put it on a project yet. So I decided to pick this immunity project. It fits the project, the title of immunity and manipulation I think it goes well with the whole concept. So I took it, again, bigger, bigger, heard it, bigger, like, man, I need this with y'all. You got to let me have this with y'all. So I wasn't worried about, I wanted me to get to the rest of the show part of it. Like, do you want me to stop? Cause I- No, cause what I was going to say, you know, I've heard that manipulation a long time, you know, a while back. And I loved the song from then, but I did not know it was you. Oh, no, you did? I did not. And I loved it. And when he told me, he played it today and he was like, no, that's not, and I'm like, really? And I'm thinking that this song should be like, this big already. Right, right. It's growing. It is. And it's gonna get, it's gonna be number one. That's what's up. It's gonna be number one. I love it. So Darius and you, how did y'all link up on that? Let's talk about it a little bit. Man, again, it was at a time in our life where I think we both felt manipulated by, you know, close ones, two of us. We both felt like our lords, he had betrayed us. I was in the studio alone, man. Me and my engineer, Neil, shots out to Neil. Again, one of the best in the city, man. Neil was recording me. Oh, my head did the song. If I did the song, man, I called the radio on the phone. I was like, bro, you know what I'm saying? I want you to hear something. He was like, shit, I got some fuel. Like I told him before he let me hear something. Sounded like shit with him and Chris Brown or something. I was like, that's your heart of head. Do you know what I mean? After that, I really didn't want to let him hear my song, you know? We're fucking out a little, check it out. You know what I mean? He heard it. He was like, bro, send me that shit, bro. And I sucked it to him. About 30 minutes later, he had something shit back. Man, me and Neil played it. I mean, it was just, he did his thing too. He bought life to the track. I mean, y'all was already in my feelings on it. And I think he came in and got in his feelings on it and it was just that she spoke emotions. I mean, the whole song speak emotions. Wow. I love it. Yeah, that's so dope, man. Like, you don't understand, man. Like, that's gonna be playing. Hey, when I'm rolling, I'm rolling with you, baby. You ain't got to worry about that. Yeah. So the sauce and the one million views, how did that happen? Give me the process. I don't know how it happened. I don't know if I'm talking about just how it happened with. When you seen it go up, did it just pop or did it just take time trickling up or? It took a little minute, but I did it on. What I did was I posted it on my YouTube page first and then I went out my way, man. I spent 7,000 on WorldStar. OK. And I told WorldStar, I put the link to everything that hit my YouTube page. From there, man, I just got all the pops from WorldStar, from running promo ads on YouTube and Google ads. It kind of just picked up. And that shit just, it hit 500. And it was at 500, I think me and my dog, Drew, we started looking at it. Then that's when we started paying attention. It was like, man, that shit going on, like 100,000 views a day, man, what the fuck? It really got down to 99,000, oh, shit, that'd be for the hit. It hit a million. I was like, man, I'll surprise myself, you know what I mean? And this is one of the songs that I did so long. Like, I ain't had no help. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen it. My daughter might have been like, what, I don't know, a couple years, five or something. So it was like, it was something I was just trying. Actually, my first ever song that I signed in the court, that was it in the first bit, that was it. Man, I think that's God's way of telling you to keep going. Right. And the people, of course, for sure. Right, I got a lot of support from that because everybody was like, damn, shout, you need to rap. Nah, you need to shout, you need to rap. Yeah, man, you hit that thing, man. So, let me ask you something, man. So, we didn't go over toxic. Toxic, what, you know, we had a guy that had a song called Toxic, but he was a white guy. Right. And it was different than your toxic, of course. Right. You know what I mean? He didn't have a sauce like yours, you know what I'm saying? Right. But it was a good song. It was just popped up, wasn't it? But your toxic, man, is that talking about a specific woman or situation? What is this toxic about? Because there's so many things that's toxic. I see she ain't gonna let me get away with this. Yeah, it does, all right. I didn't ask this again. He did, okay? Yeah, it does. It speaks about a situation in my life. Well, I wouldn't have. Okay. I was in a toxic relationship with a toxic woman, and I fought myself for making the decision for getting in that relationship at the same time. You got, you know, accountability yourself. You know, I wasn't happy, man. I really wasn't. You know, it wasn't no better way to put it, but I wanted to be out of the relationship, you know what I mean? And I had, we had built up this foundation and this ground, and it was something that everybody was, it was, I felt like, you know, I'm gonna stand on this, you know what I mean? But at the same time, I can't stand on something that I'm not solidified happy with, that I wasn't happy with, you know? I walked away from the situation. And it caused it to go even more toxic, but. Because of anger in the beginning? Yeah, because of anger and emotion. That's crazy, but it'd be happening just like that in real time. It's real, it's real. Right, you know, and I didn't, me personally, I didn't feel like I was being breaking no type of, I don't know how you want to say it, but loyalty to it, because I still was there for, if she needed anything, if she ever needed anything, I didn't feel like I was betraying or just abandoning her. That wasn't the feeling, but I wasn't happy with her. You know, I had to get myself out of that, man. And it's a case where. And this is years ago, this is nothing recent. Right, right, right, right, no. This is years ago, this is almost, I don't know, about eight years or so. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, but it definitely was a toxic situation. And with Summer Walker right now, with her having the back and forth with the men and the women of war, oh, I think it was best to speak up for the men, like I said, men get tired and men be unhappy too. You know what I'm saying, if we got these women that's talking about, oh, he ain't never there and he ain't, he got some men that ain't happy. Why he ain't there, he don't want to be there. What you mean? But the reason why I was going to ask this question, I don't know, yes, it happened a long time ago, but we have a lot of listeners who may be currently going through a situation like what you're talking about. So I want to know, they always want to know, okay, well, did you try everything you could possibly do before, you know. I'm, as a, I got five kids. I'm gonna tell you right now, don't do it for the kids. Don't stick around for the kids. Do it for your happiness, do it for what makes you happy. Because doing it for, just doing it to make someone else happy is only gonna make the situation worse. Okay. Wow, so when you look at, this is something I've been talking about because there's been so many devs centered around artists. And when you look at these different devs, you had Bun, you had Young Dolph, you had R.I.P., there's some pieces of Dolph. You had The Mote Threes, you had, you know, it's been so many of them. We had one guy. Ducky P. Yeah, Ducky P. Just different people, and I know you guys see it. The fog that hovers over, you know, the rap artist span, what do you think they come from? Is there a vendetta? Is it self-inflicted hate? What do you think? Oh, man, it definitely hate. I think a lot of it has got a lot to do with hate and envy, jealousy. It's sad, man, what's going on. Real sad. It was going on with that whole genre of what you're saying with the rap culture and the rapper's dime. I think it's seen more now because of the, you know, the social media and platform like that. And I think there's a lot more rappers now than it was before. And maybe it's you seeing it more often. You know what I'm saying? There you was back then because there weren't as many rappers. There wasn't no social media, but now there's a lot of people with things that people want on live and on TV and people flashing this and flashing that. And then there's people that don't have this and don't have that. And it kind of collides. Yeah, I'm really, like, it saddens me because you see these pictures with the family after they have been murdered or killed. You see the babies. That's when the baby pictures come out. The family pictures come out. It don't come out during the time when they're here, because they're keeping their image up. But then after they go on the first pictures they put up is, hey, he had a family. You don't see young Dolf. You see the man. Like I say. Exactly. You don't see the character. You don't see the character. Okay, here come the real now. Here come the real. Wow. And that's the part that throws you off because you know already that in order to see it the way even say Charleston, when he talks about it beforehand and speak on it could help to prevent somebody from going down that path and getting caught up in that character enough to where they lose their life to be honest with you. Yeah, definitely. So when you, okay. When do you think, in 2022 the projects that are gonna be coming out because I know you ain't gonna just do one. Listen man, you gotta keep it coming. You know, we like crackheads out here nigga. We got to have it baby. I mean, I'm trying to get my next fix. You know what I'm talking about? How often do you intend to release a new project? A new project, I don't know. I'm like, release one next week and I'll tell, I got music like built up. I could just put some shit together and name it something and throw it out tomorrow if I wanted to. But it just all depends on how I feel. I think I got some singles I'm gonna release in between here and there. They didn't fit the project of immunity that I really wanted to put on immunity but they just didn't go with it. So I'm gonna get them out. I got a couple of club songs that I wanna put out or probably put them out as singles. Man, a lot of these projects are done. Like there's narcos too. I'm almost finished man. I think it's just the feature part of it I gotta do. You know what I'm saying? But the songs are done. As an artist, I always wanted to know this answer to this question because you always hear artists say, oh, I have a catalog of songs that I've done just sitting down. Okay, what is it doing you good? Just sitting down. Why not put them out? Why not do videos to them? Why hold on to some things that you've written for years ago? Why? Right, I understand. It just, it ain't that I'm holding on to it. It's just that right now I'm not the time for it. So I'm putting out music. It's just not that music, you know what I mean? But that music, when it's time for that music, then we're gonna put out that music. But right now it ain't time for the booty shaking and the club, the ice, it ain't time for narcos to get. And sometime that time might take years. I'm gonna be honest with you, some just hit me. And I have visions, you know? Some old men dream, young men, old men see visions and young men dream dreams. I just had a vision, you know? They've been doing a little mic check thing when they hang the mic out the roof. The mic drop thing. Mic drop thing? I ain't peaking it, but yeah. Man, they doing it everywhere. That's what they do now. They hang the mic out the roof. Yeah, they hang the mic out the- All you see is like, say you're sitting right here, all you see is a mic in front of the roof. Just hanging in front of it and they wrap to it. This is what they do. Out in the open, outside or something. Yeah, yeah, and this is what they're doing. And I think, I said, man, I sure would like to get you to come through and do that boss talk for me one time in the studio in Dallas. I can't wait to come out and do that. Hey, I get to mic and everything, but we drop that thing down right there and let you do it. Cause that boss talk, man, listen, man. You know, I got my other version with the one I prayed. I mean, I played for the commercialized stuff, but the gangsta in me, oh, I got to play the one. When I play, I play the one. I think I'm gangsta. They get put me in a place mentally. Yeah, I don't think nobody actually heard that fool song with a couple people and the people I like and they come to it, but that's their favorite. So I'm like, it's also, like, I, nigga, that's my, you know, that's my, I mean, that's my pick, nigga, cause of the show. But I mean, but manipulation is right there with it though. But cocaine, bro, everything is a bad song, bro. On your last one, look, man, you something else, bro. I ain't gonna lie to you, man. I enjoy what you're doing, man. You make my day, bro. Like the music, like I hadn't given up. You know what I'm saying? I had given up, bro. Like I didn't think nobody else was gonna be doing no music that I would even be able to. I ain't really just, I don't just jump on everything. And when I, the first song with you and little Boosie, when I, when I, when I heard that song and seen that it was so real. And I got boys, you see, I told you, and when you came on the show, I told you, I said, me and my boys came up here that day. And for father's day, was it father's day? Oh, we just, we just came up there. It was before father's day, cause I put it out on father's day. You remember? After you left. Yeah, I remember. I told you about it when you was there. I said, the first day when I heard that song, I went up to the store and brought my sons. And we sat around, cause of you. And I was like, man, let's just go talk, you know? Now, and I shouted you out, but I don't think I put that part out. I just cut that part and then put it out for father's day, for father's to see, man. Brothers do take care of their kids, you know? Definitely, man. Definitely do that. Yeah. And I appreciate you again for that, man. Like that's inspiration. That's something that sticks. That's something that somebody else can see. They may see your video. When I show people that video, the first thing a father gonna do, he gonna hit him somewhere. If you, if you, I think Boosie did his thing on it. You know, it's something I wanted, really, I wanted to express to me and with kids, man. I want them to know, to sit down and talk with them, man. Give them that advice, man. Let them give them that game. Don't feel shy to give your son that game, man. Don't sit around here and let them be blind and run into that bullshit that you ran into. Like talk to them, tell them what's up, man. Like really do that. Cause I do see some fathers that will sit there and ignore, you know what I mean? The game that they got, they said, wanna even give it to the son. Like, you know what I mean? Pass that on and, you know, let them avoid them situations you went through. Wow. Man, like I said, that's just a real connection you made with me for sure. But for a lot of brothers seeing that, you can't deny they had to feel it. You know what I mean? Just the brushing of the hair or getting the hair cut, I do that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I do that though. For real, for real. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir. Right. So again, in 2022, man, I know, hey man, I'm gonna be looking for the music. I'm over here cracked out. I'm fiending them. You know what I'm saying? Don't come out with something too much. I'm on the phone saying, man, where is that, man? You know, cause do you think it's, cause Gary Vaynerchuk, shout out to Gary Vaynerchuk. He, it was a time when he said it's always content over create, meaning put something out. I remember him telling Nipsey Hussle, like, it's gonna be somebody to come out with a song that they play. I mean, make a song every week or every, you know, and just drop it on IG or drop it. Just keep dropping it. Do you think that process would work to make, get them recognition if they were good at what they do? Like I said, it's gotta be good. You know what I mean? For people to buy into it, you can't sit down and just keep posting, posting BS and you know what I mean? I mean, that ain't gonna do it. It got to have some s's. It got to have some s's. It's gotta be something somebody into, you know, okay, how much money you spend on promotion and marketing and all that. It ain't it, it ain't it. If it ain't it, it ain't it, man. Shout out to everybody who are watching, man. Y'all need to like and subscribe to our channel. You know, we always pushing the promo. We got a sponsor too. We, this is our first sponsor that we got. Y'all about to see it. The move is about to be made. We for to start dealing with the sponsorship. We for to start pushing harder than what we ever pushed. 2022, y'all know what it is, man. We for to get y'all, we choking 2022. We grabbing it by the neck. What you think about it, Mr. Maker? For sure. So you feel like we can take it to the next level? Of course. You know, we got to push, man. I'm trying to get a million subscribers. We got it. Okay. I'm on the way. Hey, we pushing. Hey, man, it got to be organic. Everything got to be fresh. We trying to kill. Hey, kill the game, man. You know, so do you, do you think that you will bring another artist, somebody up, you know? Yeah, definitely. When is that, when you gonna work on that? Oh, man, it's probably, you might look for that this year, man. Yeah. It's something I've been into making with. I'm real picky with my artists. I know, I know. You know what I mean? But you, but what you're doing and the work that you're doing, it's like you got to bring somebody along so you can process it and, you know, you'll be a blessing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Would you, would it be a female or a male? I ain't biased. So it'd be, it'd be whoever, whoever hot, whoever I'm feeling. It ain't gonna be no male, female. It might be a child. Wow. Yeah. Ain't no telling. It might be a country artist or a rock star. Ain't no telling what it might be. You know what I mean? I ain't biased. I ain't just into hip hop. I ain't just into, you know what I mean? One culture or none of that. So that ain't no issue with me. And I want to go back to something that you talked about earlier, just a little bit ago about the, all the rappers and the hidden agenda that the devil has to destroy everything that has to do with these artists. Do you, when you look at these, the way that these guys collectively having these issues, as far as what they say in the music, do you think they have a lot to do with it? I definitely do. Definitely think the mouth is powerful. You gotta watch what you put into the atmosphere, the energy you put out there. It comes back. I definitely believe that, definitely do. That's why, like I said, I watch what I say on my track, in my music, you know what I mean? Although I speak a lot of street shit, you know? I let you know, you know what I'm saying? The truth about it as well. Man, there's facts to it, you know what I mean? I ain't just, you know what I'm saying? Fabricating and putting this bullshit in the atmosphere, you know what I'm saying? It sticks with you. I want you to know that it's real, you know what I mean? You know, I think pop got caught up in that. You know, if I die tonight. And, you know, I see death around the corner. That's something I never do. Oh, you remember them tracks was coming like that? You never hear me make music about death, never. Yeah, yeah, because it's serious, man. And then I always think about that song Biggie did when he said, I'm going, going back, back to Kelly. You never hear me name I haven't read it or died. Yeah, see what I'm saying? It'll never be, never. That was different. I think they were blind to it then. I don't think they knew the power that they had in their words. And tell me, yeah, there's power in your tongue. That was very, very, and it was, it was, it was dark and entertaining. It was. I'm serious. People didn't really look at it, but it was dark and entertaining. You would, you, you see, you hear it. You could feel the, the fact that it was going to happen. And then when it happened, you almost was like, man, he said it was going to happen. He was prophetic in it happening. And I think you're right. Words is, words is something else. You know, they say sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me. And I think that's the biggest lie. You know, that's a big lie. That's a big lie. Words hurt, man. You don't want to say, when you get in the argument, somebody out you, man, that thing don't feel too good. You know what I'm saying? Now I'm going to be immune. Like exactly. I'm immune to them words. Right, right. I'm in joy. Hey, I'm enjoying this man. So this was a mixtape. Man, it was an album or mixtape? It was a mixtape turned into an album, man. Yeah, I'm like, man, you know, the whole thing was me to just do the mixtape and then the way big it got on it and hosted it, you know what I'm saying? That just made it a project. Now I mean, so it was like, all right, we're going around with it on both, on both platforms. Put it out on all screening platforms, title, YouTube, Amazon, and then do the mixtape platforms with it as well with the version up on big on both. Because he did his thing, you know what I'm saying? He can't can't put it out without him. Can't I can't even put it out on iTunes without big. Like it's that solidified the way he did and blended it together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he got to get this credit. I think you made the right decision, man. I mean, he's a great guy. So at the end of the day, you know what I mean? When you start putting things like this, it's a chemistry, man. And you can't do nothing. But it's only up from here when you start doing it right. And like I said, your moves that you make, you you you calculate your moves. You ain't you ain't just out here just doing something. And it's very obvious, man. That's when I seen you down there. V live in Dallas, where you was doing, man. And all, you know, all these different promos, you know, the promos you do, I can't wait to see the promo behind this. I ain't going to lie to you. I get excited because you doing your thing. You know what I'm saying? We're putting this one together. Yeah, this is really going to be a different type of promo. But I think it's going to be hard. Yeah, you you can't. You when you came to Iowa, you thank you so much for coming through blessing our platform, the way you did. And when you came through, man, I mean, we hadn't had nobody to come like you came just to have your merch and to have your stuff and the just and the and the volume you had and the way that the team was organized. And we just you don't see that every day. And I've had a bunch of people, bro. Some of them platinum artists that I guess I don't know, they feel like they don't have to deal with it no more. But this internet have made it to where I think everybody should be moving like that. Right, right. I'm being real unified. Yes, the way you have your team. And basically, you know, you know, I hear just see because if you doing anything and you halfway do it, are you one fourth, you know, a quarter of a way doing it? It's your way heavy on you. You see what I'm saying? Because what happens is you have opportunity to do that when you come to do that interview at my place, of course. The behind the scenes, the things that that you do, the whole movement of where you went. Everywhere you went, I knew after you left because you have visuals behind it. And I think that's so important, bro. Definitely, definitely got to get the visual to look at, man. People don't just hear about it. They want to see it. But you get that. But I'm telling you, a lot of people don't get that. Right. Are they willing to do it, bro? Yeah, you got to put in the work. You got to put in the work the way around that, man. Ain't no way around that. Say it, man, again, I can get a hold of you, man, if they're trying to lock in with you. Again, I'm PGF Shout on all streaming platforms, man. Put that first always on social. I mean, Twitter, Snapchat, IG, PGF Shout. And the project, can they get it on Apple? Man, it's out right now. Immunity, man. Hosted by my boy, Bigger Rankin' on all streaming platforms. You can go to YouTube, you can go to iTunes, you can go to the title, Shazam, Amazon, man, Google, it don't matter where. Everywhere. Man, you're going to find it, man. Man, hey, man. Say, man, every time I get excited about these interviews, bro, like I said, it's only a few that I take dear to heart, man. You my brother, if you need me, I'm here. If you go to DC, nigga, I'll fly up there. Wherever the hell you go, nigga. I'll come to you. I told you, didn't I tell you? I said, wherever that nigga go, you book my ticket because I'm going to support him. Because you've been too good to us, man. Man, we here, man. And I don't play about you. I'm telling you, man. Period. Period. I ain't playing about you, bro. I promise you, man. So thank you, man, for the interview, man. Thank you, man. Yes, sir. Mr. Maker. Mr. Maker, something else, ain't she? She said, they're quiet. She really want to get real deep in your business. I ain't holding back, man. Hey, man. Thank you so much, man. This been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. Here we are.