 Okay, welcome to the Monday, December the 2nd, 2019 meeting of the Montpelier Design Review Committee. I will let members and staff introduce themselves. Hannah Smith. Liz Pritchett. Meredith Crandall. Staff. Stephen Everett. Eric Yardson. Seth Mitchell. Martha Smirsky. We are advisory to the Development Review Board and we will listen to each of the applications and move them forward. Do I hear a motion to approve our agenda tonight? So, second it. All in favor of the agenda, raise your hand. That's a complicated one. Agenda is approved. And without further ado, we'll go forward to the first application, come up to the table and have a seat. Oh, thank you. And describe your sign. My name is Erica Strome. I'm representing Woodward Sign Systems in Woodsfield and the new business of notion fabric and craft. So, I have a 22 inch by 15 foot sign. It's direct digital print graphic, an eighth inch thick Daimon aluminum background. It is going to include a laminate. I bought an example that we made of the colors as well as the length of the width of the sign. This, however, is just done in our shop. We will be creating something like this. And you can just see the laminate on top. It helps to protect it. So, that's going to go on the address of 65 Main Street for notion fabric and craft. The background color is, as you see it, it will be mounted onto the building fascia with screws. Those screws will be laid in, they look like this, so they will lay flat. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for those listening. So, lay flat, it will have this color on it. It will be approximately every 16 inches to two feet along this line. Counter sunk. Pardon me? Counter sunk. Counter sunk. Counter sunk is a great word. Oh, thank you. Counter sunk. Yes, that makes sense. Counter. So, I think the flat head is flush with the sign. I use it, I just didn't know. Is that a color for that particular business? Yes, it is. That is their logo. Okay. It came out a lot more purple on there. Yes, and this is the exact color that it will be. Well, that looks much darker than that, which is good because you get more contrast. The more contrast you have, as you see, you know the more readable it is. Exactly. Thank you. Yes. And the pink did not. I did notice that you had that as I did. So, that's why a buffering one would be a better way to know it. And how high are the letters? The letter inches. These letters right here, five inches, five and three-fourth inches tall. That is how big that N is right there. And how about the T and the Fs and the Bs? I am going to... I believe seven. I would say seven to seven and a quarter just to be safe. Oh, here, 24. Nice, nice size ideal for the location. Yes. So, what do I need to do? This is my first city council meeting representation. It's fine. We've had some other applications that were shooting from much larger letters that technically could have been read from a thousand feet away. Your scale is over. Okay, good. Great. Thank you. Noticable but not. There's actually a ratio where every 10 feet of distance the sign can be viewed. They recommend one inch. One inch, correct. So, at five and three-quarters technically about 60 feet, which is across the street. So, that's perfect. Are you using the lighting? We are not including lighting in this design scope. No, there's existing lighting, but it's not pointed at the... Correct. And at this point, I believe that she is leading that at this time, most likely due to financial getting herself up and running. We do not, we are not contracted or discussing lighting with her at this time. If there's goosenecks that are already there, you don't have to replace them or do anything other than turn them in and put bulbs in. So, they're there, so you're free to use those. You don't have to make any additional request or permit for that. Thank you. It's there, you can use it. Thank you. Yeah, and that's the same for the larger zoning. Okay. Thank you too. Oh, because they're already there. Very good to know. I'm doing that. Okay. And if you do put in the bulbs and 60-watt LEDs work great, and you can aim them so you can catch the all of them. All this lettering. It might be useful this time of year. At 3.30, at 3.30 as we're grabbing our wine. We will also be installing the sign. We have, we'll be doing so with ladders. We have cones, appropriate construction tape. I will be taking up that much space. We'll just filter people around that. And we'll have two gentlemen on site maximum two hours. That's fine. Yeah, that's not, I don't think that would be an issue. That would be more for the Department of Public Works. Okay. Usually, and I don't think that's an issue. Okay. Hours is only looking at the design and the size, etc. on the side. Okay. Comments, questions, suggestions? No. I worry a little bit about the contrast. Well, that's a little darker. Yeah. And we've, I mean, it's not anything I would care about as far as design. That's just, what we do on it is a set of criteria that we go by when evaluating the sign. And in that criteria we can, there is an optional change. And your option is if you decide to, if you put that up at night, if you decide you want a little more contrast, you can stay with that same color and go darker shades of the background. The white obviously would stay the same. Yeah. But if you choose to, you can go darker with the background color. Again, to get it more contrast, if you choose it. Within that color, not purple, or whatever we're calling it. Okay. And it doesn't need, does it need to come back to it? No. Okay. Great. That's perfect. And I actually, you pointed that out, I'm going to make that suggestion because I think, is this on, am I on, oh, am I being recorded? Oh, it's lovely that I understand what you're saying. And again, that's your option. And, you know, a lot of times you do a trial, and on a gray day in December, it's good to put it up there, take a look at it. And if you decide you want more contrast, you have the freedom within this optional change to go with a darker shade of the same color. Thank you. When we get that February 14th blizzard, it might be hard to see this. Or thaw for Meredith. Let's see. My kids aren't really big on the thaws. They've been, they were out this weekend, even though at the bottom of the hill, it was grass, they were still sledding. And again, we just said a darker shade of the same background color is approved at the applicant. Thank you. And I'll go through the set of, there's a set of criteria that are used to each of the applications. Number one, a preservation or reconstruction of the appropriate historic style. If the proposed projects in the historic district are involved in historic structure, acceptable. Harmony of exterior design with other properties, acceptable. Compatibility of proposed exterior materials with other properties in the district, acceptable. Compatibility of proposed landscaping not applied for in this application. Prevention of the use of incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes, or exterior materials, acceptable. Location and appearance of all utilities, no change in this application. But again, you're free to use whatever's already there. Recognition of and respect for view quarters and significant vistas, including gateway views of the city and state house, acceptable. Conformance with cityscape placement and design recommendations, acceptable. Compatibility with subject property and adjacent properties, acceptable. Shall not obscure significant architectural details, acceptable. It's within the existing sign bin. Illumination, not applicable. Illumination, I'm sorry, consistency and uniformity of multiple signs is not applicable here. Illumination, not applicable. That's for internally lit plastic signs. Penance and banners, not applicable. Individual letters are fixed, painted or engraved directly on the building or structure or encouraged. This sign is acceptable in the sign bin. I have a question, okay. It has nothing to do with design, but notion is a singular. Notion fabric and fabric. Yes, I know. So, I just represent the sign company, the person who's business, who's developed this branding is not me, nor is it wooden wood. They nearly brought it to us and we developed it into their business. And I understand. I always do, you know, the Walgreens and what's the store that was downtown for a long time. Oh. Fishmen's. Yeah. But that, they had that, it has an S on it because you got more than one ocean. I know. It's up to their, it's up to them. I agree and I think on the file I wrote notions, fabric and craft. And yes, I understand. Okay. And they're free to add the S. And I will, I know that certainly. Thank you. Is it a slow season for the council right now? It's relatively slow for applications right now. But that's okay. No, I'm done. I'm sorry that you all had to come in for the justice man. No, it's gonna be, you actually get to see each other. Again, we just notated that they can add the S if they feel that's more appropriate. Okay. Well, in favor of the application, raise your hand. I'm due to sign this form. And you signed in. I did. And it's Erika Strom S-T-R-O-E-M. Okay. And then Erika with a C or with a K? C. Thank you for asking. You're welcome. Awesome. So, sorry. I'm sorry. So it's an administrative permit. So we will be sending it back to Woodinwood signs with the permit. Wonderful. Yes, please. Woodinwood is Sparky's right. Yes, correct. Yes. You will last justice on the side. My son worked there years and years and years ago when his daughter was two years old running around the shop. Oh, that's a few years, yes. Who is your son? Todd. Everett. Everett. The name sounds very familiar. Yeah, he worked with Sparky for, I think, a year and a half or so. And the daughter was Grace Potter. Right. Who was running around the shop today at 37 now, I think. It's a small world. Makes it nice, so. Okay, thank you so much. Oh, thank you, gosh. Thank you very much for your time. And thank you for coming in on this evening. Oh, thank you for coming in. And I appreciate it. It's nice, actually, listening to Christmas carols on the radio. So I'm getting in. Can you guys see all the lights? Yes. Yeah, it looks nice. Mm-hmm. I don't know when you're doing the Capitol Billings. I always like it when the fire station gets lit up. Yes. That's one of my favorites. I think it was, I think it's the 11th. 11. Because they do this little celebration. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time again. Happy holidays to all of you. Yes, to you as well. See you during the night. And thank you. Yeah, bye-bye. Okay, goodbye. And do I have any, do you have any questions? Regarding the minutes of October 21st. I was going to go through them. And wait a second. All in favor of the October 21st minutes. Raise your hand. Is that the three of you? Finally. And how about the November 21st? Same. Waiting for Mark. That makes sure it's okay with everything. Oh, yes, I second that. You're the only, you're the third. I'm the only person who'll come through with any corrections, huh? No, you're just the third person who was there. Yeah, I know. Yeah. That's, I'm seconding it. Okay, all in favor of the November 21st minutes. Raise your hand. Anything else to add? What? I wonder why you stood here in motion to adjourn. I move to adjourn. Second. All in favor of adjourn. I adjourn. Meeting is adjourned.