 Hey everybody tonight. We're going to be debating as I am versus Nathan was the moon landing a hoax and Nathan Thompson is gonna start us out. So the floor is all yours Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. I want to thank James for hosting me here on modern day debate I want to thank the debater. I'm debating Ozean Especially for his debate last night. I think he made more flat earthers than the flat earthers made flat earthers He said you could see the earth curve from 200 feet from a drone and that you could prove the earth orbits The Sun by the size of the Sun in the sky throughout the year Now we're talking about the moon landing. So I'll skip straight to that allegedly about 50 years ago a couple guys jumped in a tweak list to a tweaker homeless shelter traveled 230,000 miles in three days Approximately 75,000 miles a day and then they slowed down in the vacuum of nothing landed played golf Talked to the president on a landline telephone came back Then we lost all the telemetry data Then we destroyed the technology to go back. Don Pettit said it's a painful process to build it back and Haven't been back in 50 years. So here we are. I got a little bit of a presentation If I could I'm gonna go ahead and share this keynote. Do I have to share a screen on the zoom? Okay, great There it is there we go and we can all see that now Great, I got a couple things I want to get into here. So let's get right into it Where are all the stars in the NASA photos ladies and gentlemen? They are faking space entirely all of it is fake None of it is real you can't travel to a vacuum that doesn't exist Just like you can't travel to Narnia through a closet big complex lives are hard to keep straight when they are Compartmentalized like NASA's lies Will's will mark Cameron. This is from Mark Cameron Will's in space. Have you ever looked away from earth into the black? Yeah, so you can see yeah, you can see notice how Dom Pettit didn't even really know what to say right there He hadn't studied the narrative. I guess look how he look at each other Do do we do we see stars in space? Look at this. This is so obvious guys It's also if you read the body language after they landed back on the moon those guys were like rock stars and they just stared at the ground the entire interview and could barely answer questions and in that Interview Neil Tyson says you couldn't see stars from space. So we've got massive problems guys. These astronauts can't even get their lines straight Yeah, so yeah, you can see yeah, so you can see the stars. Oh, yeah And pretty much all the time you can see stars Oops, wait a minute remember these guys We were never able to see stars from the lunar surface or on the daylight side of the moon Never able to the sky is a deep black When viewed from the moon as it is when viewed from Sis lunar space the space between the earth and the moon and we cannot see stars It's it's not I mean it's black, but there's all kinds of little pocket. There's all that there's all the stars in the cool thing It's about you can see it during the day And when you're when you're in space and you're looking into deep space and you're on the Sun side of the orbit The sunlight washes out all the starlight so you can't see any stars just like pure on earth There's all that there's all the stars. All right, so these guys can't get their story straight Let's skip the next slide because I got a lot to cover here Although it appears that the astronauts were moving in the movements gravity Which is one six that of the earth Percy knows that when the speed of the film is doubled The astronauts appear to be running as if in earth's gravity Not just that but you could see through the guys Did I just go to the next slide? Sorry guys. I haven't done this for a while. You could see through the gentleman's Facing look at this ladies know one second. They were secret. They're more going on Look at you can see through the space suit you can see the lunar rover in the background. All right, here we go was shot on earth If there's no arrow wind on the moon, look at that transparent astronaut that you can see the lunar earth module through the astronaut I mean and we're debating this 50 years later. Are you serious? Why is this American flag waving? The fact that the flag flaps on the moon where there's no atmosphere Oops, well NASA changed their story in 2019 and said the atmosphere extends past the moon But they didn't know that when they landed on the moon. They figured it out a few years ago means that there must have been a Blast of wind out in area 51 where they shot this But these questionable images simply be the result of the astronauts struggling to plant the flag in the lunar surface Well, is there more going on than it's the eyes What about still photography Some say the designs the bulk of space and would have made it extremely difficult for the astronauts to operate their chest mounted cameras We'll get to these space suits in a second and who designed these cameras is your lumburg Once on the moon on the lunar surface in the dress in the life This is the guy who designed the equipment guys. This is not some flatter at the youtuber ladies and gentlemen These are boomers that have figured it out boomers, bro. We gotta get with the times here. Come on You couldn't see the camera. They couldn't bend their head that's far down. They had no view finder They had to aim by moving their body Where? Hammers were so difficult to manipulate How were thousands of photos taking crystal clarity and precise framing? It's almost like they were done on a movie set ladies and gentlemen, then you've got all these problems with the shadows There I mean, there's so much in here. I don't even have time to cover it There's look at all these shadows multiple angles of shadows. Okay That's a problem. All right, let's talk about the spacesuits the percent of the human body is 70% water what would happen to these astronauts? So what would happen to them in a vacuum? Well, this is water and when you place water in a vacuum You'll see what happens here Going Yeah, super cool unless you're in a space suit and they're testing your space suit in a vacuum Let's see what happens there, but the ultimate and most dangerous test was a huge specially constructed vacuum chamber Now keep in mind no vacuum chamber on earth is even close to as strong as the alleged vacuum of space Which is 10 to the negative 17 tour the strongest one they can make here on earth is 10 to the negative 6 tour And they have 2 feet of steel walls backed by 4 feet of concrete 6-foot walls So when we say gas pressure requires a container We're not joking all of space is fake the sky is a firmament sun moon stars locked in it It's a map and it's a clock for us. It was put there for us They want to hide all this we're able to pull all the they're out create a big vacuum That way we could test our suits to make sure there was no leakage one such test narrowly avoided disaster Jim Leblanc was the test subject in the vacuum chamber This is one of the rare instances where they try to use a space suit in a vacuum chamber But quickly realized that it's impossible in a higher vacuum So they immediately started using swimming pools to train and remain silent on the absence of vacuum chamber trick Yep, I asked a natural buoyancy lab employee in Houston, Texas I said, you know, we know that all the ISS footage is fake We know you're faking it the lady literally had wet hair like she just came out of a pool And she go looks me dead in the eye and she goes. Oh, do you know we're faking it because the bubbles Is that how you know it's fake because of the bubbles These people know they're lying your face absolute snakes wolves and sheeps sheeps clothing Don't believe a thing that they say NASA means to deceive in Hebrew It's the word Satan beguiled Eve with Satan NASA Eve in Hebrew. Look it up By astronauts, which basically is a live by omission As I stumble backwards No worries feel this live on my tongue Startin bubble He passes out just before I went unconscious And that's kind of the last thing I remember Essentially he had no pressure on the outside of his body That's a very unusual case to get and there's very little in the medical literature as to what happens when you have that It's a lot of conjecture, you know, that you're fluid to boil You know that you're fluid to boil you can feel a little bit of bubble stuff going I could feel the slide on my tongue start Great, that's good. I got tons of bloopers here, but I don't have enough time to go over all of them So we'll just scroll through we've got CGI glitches Obama talking about the flatter society. There's the bubbles in space ladies and gentlemen Go look this stuff up. There's hours and hours of NASA bloopers. Look at this guy ghosting out of frame He turns into a ghost and you can see through him too interesting just like the moonwalk All right, look at these wires you can see wires CGI glitches Divers reflections. You can see the scuba diver there. I mean, there's tons of this stuff and just to finish it off here Ladies and gentlemen, we've got our favorite NASA employee Don Pettit Breathe between the lines take a listen. I'd go to the moon in a nano second The problem is we don't have the technology to do that anymore We used to but we destroyed that technology and It's a painful process to build it back again There you have it ladies and gentlemen They did it back in the 60s and 70s, but in 2023 We don't have the technology anymore and it's a very painful process to fake the moon landing It's all a half. I'll turn it over all right, if you want to stop the screen share there And we want to thank everybody for being here And just if you notice off to my side here Modern day debate is a neutral platform We are hosting debates on science and religion politics and etc. You pretty much find it here so Yeah, just to remind everybody that within 24 hours all of these debates will be turned into podcast forum So if you like what you're hearing from either of our speakers, you can hear them on the go We're going to kick it over to Ozzy and for his up to 10 minute opening You're on mute Thank you. Thank you very much. Just want to point out that opening statement started with poison in the well Attacking my previous comments out of context. Anyway, so hey there earthlings today We're talking about those pesky mood landing conspiracy theories that won't disappear Some folks insist that the u.s. Government fake the apollo mood landings in the 60s and 70s Like there were some hollywood movie But let's look at the facts and bust those wild claims once and for all Shout out to modern day debate and Nathan for joining us on this mission to uncover the truth about the moon landings To justify belief of historical event all I need to do is show that the event is physically possible And that there are primary sources and secondary sources that all confirm that the event happened and I'm going to do that today Some skeptics believe the moon landing was a big hoax These space doubters thought the whole thing was a hollywood show They spent hours analyzing old footage Arguing about how the flag was moving the shadows looked weird and claiming the whole thing was a bit a lie But they didn't count on the president Kennedy determination to put a man on the moon by the end of the 60s And he did it even that meant faking the entire apollo program Building a massive rocket and launching it into space to trick conspiracy buffs But on july 20 of 1969 neil armstrong and buzz aldrin made history by landing on the moon Now think about how amazing it is that humans went to the moon in the 60s NASA built that massive Saturn 5 rocket to the conduct the apollo missions Including the famous polo 11 This giant rocket was 110 meters tall and 10 meters wide with five powerful f1 engines in his first stage creating 33.4 million newtons of thrust First stage lasted for two minutes 42 seconds before it's dumped into the ocean The second stage continues until nine minutes 12 seconds traveling to a height of 175 kilometers And they get rid of the emergency rocket during that portion of the trip If something failed Third stage took them to a parking orbit of 190 kilometers 11 minutes 39 seconds Don't forget we consider space to have started the karmine line at 100 kilometers. So they're already in space 190 kilometers in the parking orbit is where they orbit the earth two or three times to make sure Everything is good to go and to get in a good position transition through the van allen belts But the then they engage the third stage for about six minutes to get them into the trans lunar Injection towards the moon then the csn command support module detaches Doesn't 180 and docks with a limb Which is a landing module Then they went into a slow roll for a passive thermal control Which they don't even bring that up like that a roll to not overheat Read the heat out Lunar orbit insertion the csm fired for about five minutes to slow down and get in orbit With spotting communication with fusion Now it's time to get into the limb and land onto the moon For michael collins gets left behind in the csm so damn close Getting to the moon needed more than just a rocket and csm We also required the lunar module to land on the moon's surface The lunar module used during apollo 11 went through a ton of testing before the mission Including an uncrewed trial flight in july anuary 68 and a crew test flight in march 69 All this was done to make sure everything worked perfectly Now it's time for the descent orbit insertion The descent module fired up for about 30 seconds to get some down to about 50 000 feet above the moon The next stage was powered descent initiation They have to maneuver the front of the lamb To see a safe place to land got to visually see where they're landing. It's amazing Because they have telescopes and they have the surface mapped out like they do today First time humans been up that in close and personal They were true pioneers with limited fuel and they even had some sensors hanging down to tell them when they could shut off Little dangly things shut off the descent module when they made contact That descent module then became the launch platform used to get the ascent module back up in orbit And to dock with the csm where it was then detached to crash land On to the moon's surface. It's crazy to believe this was a cover-up If this were a conspiracy, they would why would they have designed the suit For the command service module pilot not to be equipped for the lunar lander It was a different well same suit with different attachments It's like they planned for a real emission to the moon. So weird speaking of suits space suits Those fashionable marvels and engineering science allow our intrepid astronauts to fully go where no person has gone before All while remaining comfortably pressurized and protected from the harsh vacuum of space NASA which means uplifting in hebu if we want to forget it's an acronym That means the national aeronautics and space administration. It's not some secret code And its partners devoted years of research and development to create the magnificent a7l spacesuit This baby was tailor made to withstand the moon's brutal terrain And empower astronauts to perform experiments like cosmic superheroes Now some naysayers out there claim the spacesuits are nothing more than elaborate hoax A frivolous accessory if you will but let's be clear these conspiracy theorists are as misinformed as someone who believes that wearing socks with sandals Is a fashion statement. Hey wait The truth is the spacesuit is an absolute necessity when exploring the great void And its one fourth standard atmosphere rating is a testament to that Now you might be wondering how you could survive the with one fourth standard atmosphere within the suit Well, that's because it was a 6040 mixture of oxygen and nitrogen And one fourth standard atmosphere is equivalent to an altitude about 10 kilometers above sea level a little bit higher than Mount Everest You might be wondering why don't these spacesuits inflate like ant mables latex gloves at a family barbecue? Well, my friends the answer lies in the high tech materials and ingenious design Unlike those unfortunate gloves the spacesuit's construction is rock solid ensuring no accidental ballooning occurs You see maintain a pressure difference between the lunar vacuum and the suits interior At one fourth standard atmosphere is like swimming down to a depth of three meters And considering we already have suits that can handle the crushing depths of hundreds of meters underwater Whipping up a spacesuit to handle the equivalent of least really three meter dip is a piece of cosmic skate Even though it like took a couple years Anyways to protect astronauts from radiation the Apollo missions followed a carefully planned path and use shielding On the spacecraft to guard against the band ln radiation belts aluminum block the charged proton ionized radiation and the insulation Used within it block the charged electron ionized radiation least most of it They actually experienced Approximately 0.8 rad the entire mission on average for all of the missions involved going on the moon These belts are made up of charged particles of protons and electrons They are collected by the earth's magnetic field blown in by solar winds and are not waves As a matter of fact that the hole had been made of lead the interaction between the charged particles and lead would have produced x-rays Which would have been dangerous to the astronauts So let's raise a glass to the brilliant minds who crafted these pressurized wonders any claims the spacesuits are unnecessary that they don't handle the They can't handle the pressure demonstrates a clear lack of understanding Much like someone who thinks that the moon is made of green cheese spacesuits are essential And our quest to explore the universe and without them our trepidous space adventures would be gasping for air And longing for the sweet embrace verse atmosphere So here's to you a 7 l spacesuit for making sure our cosmic explorers can keep fully going where no one is gone before Except the chinese and israelis and japanese and chinese now Loads of scientific evidence and expert analysis of thoroughly debunked the idea that the moon landing was a hoax The apollo lunar mission was an incredible achievement in human history Thanks to the scientist engineers and astronauts hard work and perseverance The Saturn 5 rocket the east of an l spacesuit and the lunar module Resulted from years of research experimentation and innovation Historical evidence supporting the moon landings is vast and includes photos videos audio recordings and scientific data The events is supported by detailed records of the apollo missions Which include photos videos and scientific data collected during the missions The first hand accounts of astronauts who were there and the scientists and engineers who worked on the mission also back up This evidence this evidence would stand up in court because it's based on physical laws and historical records that can be independently verified And let's be honest if there were a conspiracy to fake the moon landing the american government would have messed it up anyway They couldn't even keep a hotel break in secret The fact that there's so much historical evidence photos videos and scientific data Backing up the moon landing shows that it wasn't a hoax in my opening I said that i'm justifying and believing that we landed on the moon if it was physically possible And if the historical record is incontrovertible I've demonstrated the first and we have all have seen the beautiful photos and heard the testimonials from the astronauts So my belief is justifying the burden to disprove this belief is nearly insurmountable five nations have been to the moon And three landed on it without crashing I would be crazy to deny the moon landing happened But i'm open to hearing what nathan has to say we already heard it open to the discussion The idea that a vast secret involving many people could be hidden for so long is just plain bunkers That's it. All right. Well, thank you so much for your opening ASEAN and uh to both of our speakers I will just remind everybody. We are doing q and a at the end of our discussion here Just to remind you to keep the questions related to our subject and not attacks against our speakers And once again Yes, you can find us on our podcast forums within 24 hours of these discussions So we're going to kick it into an open discussion for up to 50 minutes And we'll kick it over to nathan to open this up You're on mute Yeah, no offense to ozian. I'm not sure if that was an opening or a clear eyes commercial. So Uh as long as it sells a product, I guess that's good Well, you did regurgitate and repeat everything like a good pair. It should so I got to give you credit on that ozian Now You claim that the spacesuits work, but when they tested them in a vacuum, they didn't work Yeah years before they used them in spacey the failed and the the repaired them. They did improvements I think that was the a 57 that failed or A 5 l I think it is and by the time they went to space they were using the a 7 l that worked. Yes Okay, well if they're in space Uh, which is a negative pressurized environment. Why oh no Zero pressure. No zero pressure. It's not negative zero pressure. Well, why do you think you're playing in a pool? Which increases the pressure even more than earth's atmosphere Do they're designed to resist a pressure from the inside of the suit outwards not from The outside of the suit inwards and I'm not aware of the what you're talking about I think you're talking about artifacts you see like bubbles floating up from the suit whether in the water Is that what you're talking about? No, they train at the natural buoyancy laboratory. They have a fully The complete replica of the iss underwater now They've been caught with green screens in the background and stuff and obviously there's hours and hours of bloopers NASA faking it. You can see divers in the mass of the astronauts. You can see them ghosting out of screen. You can see wires CGI glitches augmented reality glitches your claim There's all of them all been debunked for countless times and you know it has He'd repeat in the same place bloopers have been debunked. I mean if they were really in space You wouldn't have to debunk bloopers. So they're camera artifacts. There's other explanations There's like stuff moving around that could be camera artifacts all that stuff's been refuted, you know I has I'm not going to go through a detailed Refutation of every single photo and every single video if you want to it'd be here a few hours, but what about well Well, since we're here, you know ozzie and how about we talk about the bubbles in space some bubbles Show the bubbles bubbles are like air with water around them. They're not bubbles. They don't fall up They go in different directions. They're not going up Did you just say they're air with water around them? That's what a bubble is With water around it when it's in water you're talking you're seeing they are underwater and those bubbles are his air Leaving there's wherever it's leaving from and creating bubbles that float up to the surface. What else are you talking about? You're all sharing my screen You're seeing it's not pockets of air floating in a swimming pool What the heck is going on here? Good. I'm glad we agree. We're still looking at the debate here It won't there The bubbles Okay, they invert the colors to make them more obvious here There's one It doesn't go straight up. That's not a bubble He's talking about because in a pool with people swimming around There would be all sorts of turbulence and currents moving around So this actually doesn't behave how something would flake off the iss Which is the official story or something the iss has just been falling apart for 20 years A bubble goes straight up dudes like you've ever been in a pool and like blown bubbles like they go straight up You didn't listen. They don't go. I I did listen. We say they don't do this jagged movement Like that artifact is doing. I don't know what it is other people have explained what it is I wasn't prepared to address this photo this video Yeah, I got it. You weren't prepared to address it. But yeah, I agree a bubbles in just a Pool with nobody in it. Nobody swimming around would go straight up But there's pools where they are faking ISS Spacewalks and so people are swimming around. There's lots of divers. They're holding giant cameras The astronauts are fake playing with nuts and bolts on the outside of the so you're seeing the water's turbulent Sorry to interject. Can we stop the screen share or finish the example there? Yeah, we'll just play it out for the audience one more time. See you'll notice the bubble They're they're speeding up slowing down and changing directions now the official story is like, oh, that's just You know something in space debris or or something's flaking off the ISS Well, if you're moving 17,000 miles an hour Around the earth they would anything coming off would only move in one direction It's moving with this the space station It doesn't lose all the momentum the space station has or the falling action All right, so you didn't you aren't prepared for the bubbles in space argument. I already addressed the bubble in space It's not a it's not a bubble. It's an artifact floating around a bubble would go straight up Now you're trying to see there's a bunch of turbulence in the water Some rapid turbulence in the water like that would be moving the astronaut around too It's not turbulence in water. It's artifact is Astronauts are going to be a lot more difficult to move around than a bubble For example, if you're sitting in front of me in the water and I go like this to the water Any bubbles in front of me would move around, but you would stay completely stationary osean You're joking as somebody with kids has been in the pool quite often with my kids Bubbles go up dude. They might go a little bit, but they basically Really really super quick pretty much what that bubble was doing was going up. It was just moving side to side It wasn't even it wasn't even traveling fast enough. How would something in space do that? It's an artifact in space. I don't know precisely what it was somebody else could probably answer it So there's just artifacts and somebody in the super chat leave a super chat explain exactly what they discovered It was and we can move on so so there's just artifacts in space floating around the ISS um Sure, I don't know whatever that was Yeah, if that's what they told you you'd believe it the uh, the astronauts are artifacts if you want to call them artifacts They're floating around in space around the ISS. So there's stuff. Let's talk about space. Can you have gas pressure without a container? Yes I mean, can you demonstrate that? Yes without begging the question about what the earth is and the earth Oh So now you I thought there was a moonlight need to be No, the moon is allegedly in space buddy. So I know It's travel through space. So you're going to die space. Okay, prove the space doesn't exist. I'm waiting If historical evidence that proves the space exists, so what do you got buddy through space doesn't exist All right, I'm gonna have to go with a reliable source That you're gonna enjoy because are you going to talk about Einstein this with either? Okay I don't mind stepping on the uh is space real for like Maybe four or five minutes, but then let's get back to the uh the moon landing there Yeah, no problem. Here's your nasa website buddy admitting not only that water needs a container but that All of gas gas pressure requires a container as well for example gravity. I know Gravity is not a physical container and then you have the problem gravity's physical. What are you talking about gravity's physical? Hey, ben stein can you please stop interrupting me? Okay, please I've been super cordial this debate Right. Yeah, I continue on Gravity's allegedly the strongest at earth surface. Now you're familiar with the fact that gas moves in all directions It's omnidirectional at earth surface Where your gravity container is the strongest So if gas is moving in all directions down here on the surface You would have to explain why it's not moving in all directions where the weaker gravity is closer to space There's less molecules closer to space to move and they do move in all directions but relatively They are contained by the earth and they move with the earth as it rotates around and so the gas that Um, so it depends on the gas released some gas sinks, right? Like if you release sf 6 it finds a level down It's like liquid like water it finds a level in any type of deep trenches or surfaces Like they actually suffocate if you get sf 6 leak on a substation or something like that So it depends on the type of gas if it's lighter if it's um denser or less density the air that's surrounded If it's less dense like helium like if you've seen a helium balloon, right? You let a helium balloon go it goes straight up It doesn't disperse like this because it's much less dense than the surrounding air so it goes straight up So you're talking about the difference in density between the gases that release other get some gases We'll go up super quick, but they will disperse and go up Other gases will scatter around within the atmosphere around you Okay, i'll touch on this one more time and then we can move on nasa explains the phases of matter now where it says gas It doesn't say some kind of gas Junior high phases of matter. Okay, but Like that's just Come on, you're gonna have to wait for your clear ice commercial until i'm done Okay continue on Shape of container gas takes the shape and the volume of its container now all ask real simply and we move on Can you demonstrate gas pressure on earth? Without a container without presupposing your fairy tale vacuum of space Gas pressure. Yes We can measure gas pressure. We don't see a container We don't see a container. Yeah Okay We measure a container We measure gravity We measure gravity We don't visually see it. We see the effect Can you demonstrate gravity containing gas pressure without a vacuum here on earth? Yeah, gas pressure Gravity maintaining gas pressure without a vacuum Here on earth. Yes, we go to space We go to space me and you we're gonna hold hands and go there It's a royal you we Can't go to space The government goes to space ozian. You're familiar with that, right? It's a royal you the royal we I meant we as in human beings want to be pedantic about it. Go ahead Let's see. That's the problem with this cult rhetoric It's like we went to the moon and we did this. Yeah The the problem is you never went only 550 people. I've ever allegedly gone to the fairy tale vacuum of space That's like a movie theater on a full friday night. I Yeah, I see that we I say we um Got our independence from great britain too, but I don't mean it was actually me I know you're speaking french. I got it. I get it now. Okay, so you can't demonstrate gas pressure without a vacuum here on earth Other than presupposing the earth is a ball in space, which is the thing you're trying to prove ozian No, I'm trying to prove that the moon landing wasn't a hoax. Yeah, but we can't travel Space travel is not possible if space is fake, but that was my whole point moderator I guess we gave it about four minutes. We can move on ozian. I'd like to explain why um One why moonlight is cold and two why the moon didn't even look like a light when they landed on it It looked like a dim gray surface in the desert Once this have anything to do with your opening argument or with my opening argument. Are you going to ask questions about that? They're lying about the nature of the moon They say it's a rock in space that you can walk around and land on it's terra firma You haven't proven that I I haven't proven that yeah, and you said everything what's approved Was independently very you could verify it independently. You said that in your hope Okay, well, yep five countries have been to the moon five Countries you understand I'm here telling you the country our country is the one lying to us and you over here Well, like other countries have a lied to other people and I'm like so what do you think that's proof? countries are Are made up of people and people lie People lie. Yes Especially when they're getting 60 million dollars a day upwards now of 80 million dollars a day And they spend more movie theater of people up into space They've allegedly created velcro and tang and globes are like take my money. Where where do we give them another 60 million tomorrow? Yes Okay, so the nature of the moon they're lying about the nature of the moon They say it's a rock in space when you view the earth the moon from earth It's bright You know when you walk around in albedo of the earth of the moon and it's time Please stop interrupting me, bro. I give you time to talk. I'm just asking you to do the same courtesy for me We can move into like one minute back and forth type We don't need we just need him to stop interrupting or for you to moderate Well, I was going to say this is open discussion. So feel free to push back But I'm just supposed to let him talk I guess it's like, okay Well, we'll we'll get we'll let nathan finish up his point and then we'll uh kick it over to you asian Yeah, so when you view the moon from earth, it's bright But when they landed on it, it's not bright And actually the inverse square law should make it Thousands of times brighter when you're walking on it than when you view it from the earth Go ahead. Now it's your turn to talk It's not going to be thousands of times prouder than the earth So the earth this the moon is much closer to the earth than the sun is the amount of light that we see on the moon Is about equivalent to what we see on earth the moon sometimes is a little bit further away Sometimes a little bit closer to the sun they get a little bit more or less white light depending where they are um So that what we're seeing is the albedo the reflection off the regular on the moon, which is like I think there's like Seven to ten percent. So that's the light we're seeing from the moon. It's not actual light Originating from the moon. It's originating from the sun and reflecting off the moon. Oh, okay. That's an excellent claim Now I notice there's a globe in the bottom left of your camera screen. Can anyone see that? Okay, excellent. Hold it up for me. That's even better Now you'll notice ladies and gentlemen when light reflects off a ball it produces something called a specular highlight Where all the light converges to one point now osian, could you show me a picture where the moon has a specular highlight? And was that in your opening argument or mine? Does every argument I have have to have been in my opening Was that some type of precursor for this debate because no one told me that did I present a picture in my opening Where I'd have one readily available to show you I just made a point if you don't have a rebuttal just say I don't have a rebuttal to that You asked me for you asked me for a photo. I don't have a photo I Okay, well, if you don't have a photo could you show me one that you that maybe you could get somewhere Where the moon has a specular highlight because like I said earlier and you just demonstrated All balls reflecting light have a specular highlight They even add one to the earth Robert Simmons admitted it in his interview because he started with a blank circle and needed to make the scans of the earth Look like a ball Yeah, I'm trying to find something. I'm not finding anything. So yeah, because the moon doesn't have a specular highlight Anyone who's ever walked outside and looked at a full moon knows all moon is one Uh shade of the moon. It's not right around the center and darker towards the sides. It doesn't have a specular highlight Wonderful. It's the albedo effect from the regular on the moon Great and you said it was reflecting sunlight sunlight is hot moonlight is measurably cold Even globers like ken wheeler who thinks we have satellites in space Has tested moonlight with a flirt. I've done it with a laser thermometer I know you might not be ready for this argument too. I'm ready for that one Okay, well, how do you measure moonlight cold? Anyone can do it It's four to eight degrees colder than the shade at night when sunlight is eight to 20 degrees hotter Than the shade during the day and just a question, uh, Nathan just for our live chat if I appreciate all the things you're saying there if you could just tie that back into How this relates to the the moon landing there just so that our live chat understands So why that argument might be pertinent. They're lying about the nature of the moon ladies and gentlemen What it is So the the moon is not a rock in space that formed off the earth Billions of years ago into a perfect circle and now orbit so we can only see one side of it at all times That's ridiculous. So what I'm trying to point out is there's inconsistencies with the mainstream narrative about what the moon is When you test moonlight, it's cold when you test sunlight It's hot almost as if there is a yin and yang in the sky Which is where the yin and yang symbol came from Go ahead. I was in yeah, I don't think the moon is a perfect sphere But that's regardless the fact he asked me a question about why the moonlight is Warmer or cooler than is in the shade It's because the shade is off offering insulation and trapping the heat in So you're going to get a warmer temperature in the shade than you will when the ground is exposed to the atmosphere You're actually not getting any heat or cold from the moon at all Okay, but yeah, sometimes the shadow isn't directly under the object casting the shadow like for example You could have the moon off in the distance over here. Then you have a house right here. You measure the shade here There's nothing above it Insulating this part of the ground at all whatsoever to make it cold You're next to a house. It's warm. That's radiating heat Okay, but you could do it with a tree. I've done it with trees in nature. It still produces the same result The tree that's actually what ken willer used was a tree when he did it with his flur the infrared Trees absorb heat during the day and they're going to release that heat at night. So you're going to see the The ground does too. Yes That's why that's why The the heat the ground is relating in shade that heats being Trapped by the shade. So that's why it's warmer in the shade than it is when you're outside of the shade at night All right, I've been asking a couple questions I want to give you a chance to ask me any questions that you have so that I'm not hogging the mic All right, thank you All right So you said that the photos were fake, but we know the photos were about the film exposure, right? Like you had to get enough film exposure to be able to see The people on the moon so you couldn't see the stars at the same time No, the shadows were coming in different directions. I think it was a movie set I don't think they took any pictures from them Yeah, so I didn't see like it looks like you see it appears like some of the shadows Are moving in different directions, but if you watch the myth the busters show, of course You can see it's because of the shape of the objects that are the shadows Are reflecting from that makes it looks like it's in a different angle, but it's actually How that the shadows being cast it's not actually Coming from a different light source than the sun But that's a question for me. I mean, I'm asking questions, right? So you also brought up So you brought up the woman that she was talking about are you talking about the bubbles you talking about the bubbles I mean clearly she was mocking you because she's probably heard that that's a typical moon lander denier The bait, you know, you'd rather you'd rather assume she's lying than just assume she's mocking you Uh, well, you know, I guess she had to be there and like look into her eyes It wasn't like she was joking or mocking me like there was a lot of contention there like like almost like hatred for everything I was saying so but yeah, you weren't there So, you know, it's hard for you to tell me what her demeanor was Well, I agree But I but she probably could have been insulted because you're denying what she does for a living, right? So she she believes in what she does and you're telling her she's being a deceiver and a liar Sometimes that makes people a little upset. Wouldn't it make you upset? Or do you consider it normal to be upset when people call you a liar? It's not just liar. These people are treasonous thieves and they're traitors to america It's anything in the life Yeah, but I didn't say all that I just say I knew I knew you're faking the iss and she brought up the bubbles Okay, so how this proves the moon landing what has to do with the moon landing. I'm not sure I got some more stuff we can move on to if you it doesn't I'm addressing your opening You were just offering like you didn't actually like prove that we didn't go to the moon You're just offering offering skepticism For why we should doubt going to the moon, but I don't think you've overcome The massive evidence we like I accept testimonial evidence. Do you accept testimonial evidence for for claims? Testimonial evidence anyone can get on a stage and testify anything Correct. So do you believe that sometimes they're honest? And sometimes they're lying. Yeah, so no, you can't always believe testimonial evidence. Yeah, so you have to Right, so you have to testimony evidence You have video evidence that they brought back with them. You have photos that they brought back with them You have a telephone communication call That was set up between ham radio operators in australia Talking to the people on the moon and redirecting the call from them to the white house. So you actually had people Talking like he had amateur ham radio operators that could that were talking To them on the moon When's the last time you flew in a plane posion? Um a week ago All right, when you were in the plane, could you talk on your cell phone? No, no, there's no cell service Where the airplanes fly, right? So you're telling me in 2023 We can't get cell service on an airplane, but in 1969 Arguably on paper the most corrupt president in human history on paper. They're all corrupt probably worse But he was the one who got caught On paper. He's the most corrupt president in human history had a phone call with the dudes on the moon 230,000 miles away Who somehow went through the van allen belts You're telling that's what you're telling everyone and you want them to believe you look at that smug smirk on your face ladies and gentlemen There you go. I think it's funny. It's caught. You're caught, dude It's funny. It is funny that they told everyone they could call the president from the moon and people like you 60 years later Would laugh there with a smug purple suit on Laughing saying you think it's funny. Now you look fresh, but your face is a joke right now, bro Your arguments are a joke The reason why I find it funny is because we did have international telephones at the time But we did have ham radios at the time and we weren't able to is not a nation So it doesn't matter if we have international telephone communication. The moon's not a nation It's talking about interrupting, but whatever Yes, so it wasn't a telephone call From the moon to the earth Is ham radio signal is a radio signal radio frequency electromagnetic frequency that can travel Through a vacuum like light And it can go from the moon to the earth Then they can take that signal and they can convert it into a signal that they can transmit Overlines and then they can get that they can route that signal all the way to the white house for the president nixon To pick up the phone no matter how corrupt he may or may not have been i'm not a nixonator No matter how corrupt he may or may not have been who talked to them on the moon And he had the other radio communications when they when they talked about how they were privately the lunar mat a lander Um down to the lunar module excuse me down to the the moon or when they were getting out of it And they had the camera you can talk about that a camera folded out that took pictures of them When neil armstrong was coming down the ladder to take his first step on the moon he had the the Audio of him speaking when he landed on the moon We have all this evidence That we did this thing it's historical evidence And you're just poo pooing it all away I mean you're not poo pooing away because you're not convinced of the moon landing You're poo pooing away because you're not convinced that the earth is a glow No, I don't think we didn't land on the moon because the earth is flat And the sky is a container Okay, I know we didn't land on the moon because they faked it 50 years ago. There's all kinds of Uh discrepancies and problems with the footage that you're not even going to admit you just say it's all it's all been debunked The fact we have discrepancies the fact there are so many bloopers Space travel all of space travel is fake Now you you said earlier that the spacesuits are rock solid Yeah, it's red Credits, so they're they're actually designed to prevent like micrometeorites from protecting the astronauts while they're on the moon they're also designed That was a rhetorical statement They're not rock solid But they are designed to prevent micrometeorites From from penetrating the students are designed to protect them from the heat and cold They would experience while they were walking out on the moons was insulated They had a cooling system that was only in the suits for the people that actually stepped on the moon The guy in the command module didn't have the same type of cooling system The people on the but the moon did but they they faked that too. They made two different types of suits Yes, that'd be hard to do with 60 million dollars a day to make two different kinds of suits. Yeah, you're right Ozy and that's a great argument. All right, so the moon rocks they came back as a petrified wood after testing them What do you have to say about that? I know there's been some moon rocks that have been proven to be fake that were petrified wood I'm not sure of all the claims like the moon rocks specifically From the moon and that've been recorded and documented from the moon as far as I know None of those have been falsified as being petrified wood Okay, so they confirmed that moon rocks were fake but as far as you know None of the moon rocks are fake So-called clean moon rocks that people found on earth not moon rocks or not Um, stuff that was actually brought back from the actual moon That's what they told they gave a politician in like norway An actual rock that they said they brought back from the moon and that was what was tested as petrified wood It's not like someone walking around the grand canyon It's like oh, it's not a moon rock and then they test it and they're like, oh never mind It's petrified wood it was a gift from NASA They said it was a moon rock Yeah, so you'd have to confirm that the chain of custody was accurate You have to confirm that the moon rock was the one that was actually tested So I'd have to see the chain of custody all the way through from leaving the moon To that person testing the rock They know it was petrified wood Any questions for me? I'm uh, I got a couple more but that's about it Um Okay, he did bring up the point about the guy passing out in the vacuum chamber I don't know if he talked about that at all so that's pretty interesting. Oh, we did talk about that all that was Yeah, so he actually experienced like bubbly bubbling and tingling on his um tongue I don't know if you talked about that But and and they had a anti chamber attached to that vacuum chamber and you are right the the vacuum that they pull on the chambers It's not as um as strong as it I hate to say strong isn't as low as it would be in the vacuum of space And we're used to seeing strong like because it takes more force to pull the air out But that's not what's going on in space. So but um, they were in an anti chamber So they they opened that the guy had an oxygen maths on and was able to help them and they repressurized the chamber fairly quickly Had a little bit discomfort because the rapid change of pressure when they repressurized the chamber But overall he just he walked back up and he was fine So even like being exposed to the vacuum of space for not a vacuum of space the vacuum in that vacuum chamber He didn't die. He just passed out because of oxygen and disorientation. So Yeah, but if they didn't reintroduce air, he would have most certainly died. Oh, yeah, you would suffocate it Yeah You're right nature abores a vacuum. That's what tesla said But you you you didn't really address like these the the suits are actually designed to Maintain a pressure of 3.7 psi. It's actually 1 4th Of atmospheric pressure. So they are designed to maintain the air in it. They're not designed So like withstand like hundreds of pounds of psi so the the difference in pressure between inside the suit And the vacuum on the moon is only 3.7 pounds per square inch. It's like going down to a depth of um, three meters under the ocean like the difference from the surface level three meters under is like Uh, a quarter atmosphere. So you you think that it's it's um You think it'd be hard for him to design a suit that would stand that pressure Maybe have some errors on the process of testing it I think your numbers are way off No, that's accurate 3.7 psi was what the suits were designed for. Yeah, but That's not the alleged pressure you would need to survive the vacuum of space Yes, it is 3.7 psi and that's they actually don't need any pressure But for them to maintain enough atmosphere The pressure in the suit so they could breathe They need at least 3.7 psi. So when they first tested the suits I think in the first Apollo missions before they actually started going to the moon They actually used like 100 oxygen mist mixture. I got like conflicting results on this So it's hard for me to research it specifically But for the Apollo 11 missions, they had a 60 oxygen and 40 nitrogen mixture in the air suits So they had to have a higher oxygen mixture mixture at that 3.7 psi So they could breathe because when we're on the surface of the earth the atmosphere is 4.6 psi, right? So so it's like if you went it's actually like 3.7 psi I think is equivalent to Like 33,500 miles above the earth's surface. So it's something like 5,000 37 Feet 33,500 feet above the earth's surface It's something like 5,000 feet above the top of Mount Everest And we even use oxygen tanks and stuff like that Some people do when they ascend all the way to the top some people go without it They can survive on the top of Mount Everest Without oxygen. So it's not like a feat of engineering to make a suit that could withstand 3.7 psi. That's all it needed All right, let's let's assume the vacuum of space is real and that we can get to it in a rocket, right? Okay, so a car on the road uses the road to turn accelerate and decelerate a boat on the ocean Would use the water to turn to accelerate and to decelerate an airplane would use the air To turn accelerate and decelerate No on the way to the moon. They allegedly got there in about three days And it's 235,000 miles away. So that equals out to about 3,200 miles an hour. These guys are traveling now How do you slow down and land safely on the moon in the vacuum of space traveling 3,200 miles an hour I think we're part of it. They were traveling faster. I'll have all the speeds running down or I would tell you the exact That was at an average Sure, so they they had thrusters So the uh, you're wrong about airplanes airplanes don't push off the air It depends on the type of airplane you're talking about talking about Like a prop plane is a little bit different how it creates like a Pressure differential between the front of the props and the back of the props that pulls them forward using the air pressure differential of the wings, but Sure, but it's not using the air. But anyways, it's air pressure differential. I believe I'm not an aeronautics engineer, but Okay, so could an airplane fly in a vacuum if it's not using the air could an airplane fly in a vacuum? Uh, not a prop plane, but a jet plane could because a jet plane Fly in a vacuum. All right. Go ahead. Yes, if it was designed to that was the end the If they had enough thrust to get up to I think it's like a with what plane has gone to low earth orbit. They've gone above To not low earth orbit. They got like to the edge. I think are pretty close to what we would call Lower space or whatever it's called. What do you think moves the jets doesn't push against air The jet has thrust is pushing back that's pushing the plane forward. It's not pushing against air Okay, it's pushing back against what? Against air they're pushing against each other The thrust is pushing the plane. They're pushing like, okay I throw this ball when I throw it went or not ball, but when I throw this and release it Right, so it's put they're pushing against each other Like when I hit something we bounce off each other you got thrust you got forward thrust From the jet engines. It's not pushing off the air If it was pushing off the air the thrust would be pushing off the air So it'd be moving with the plane. It's not doing that It's the threats going this way the gases from the thrust going this way You see the flare at first, but the gases stay it just cools down So you don't see the air anymore, but that that air from the thrust isn't moving with the plane So if you stand behind a jet engine when the jets are on is it windy? I've been blown down by jet engines Okay doing something with the air and you're saying that that jet airplane could fly in space The only okay, so it is a little bit different for jet airplanes They are using air in the afterburner to compress the air. I'll use an air bud blow it out not the friggin Not this the not the friggin The bulk not the rocket Hey, man, you're cool. You're not like this last guy yesterday. Oh my goodness, whatever. I know I'm way better Thank you. Yeah, I much rather talk to you than that guy Anyways, or iron horse or I'd rather talk to with you. I'm gonna pretend you're talking about me I'll take that for myself. No, uh, we got uh, we got about 10 more minutes Of the open discussion. If you guys want to keep going if you got any more I want to finish this. Yeah, okay. You guys just let me know when you're ready to wrap up and we'll go into q&a because I'm good to keep going so Okay Yeah, so I they're they're bringing the the the air with them they're bringing the components to to blow out the back by creating a combustion to Blow the gases and those gases are what's throwing the rocket or blowing the rocket Uh, given its thrust, sorry No, that explanation glows But we see it happen all the time you ever had like 4th of july and rockets and stuff They're not sucking air to the rockets, right? You played with like little rockets on 4th of july Yeah, rockets are a lot different than jet airplanes, but well, I know it's a different different It's done differently, but the overall concept sort of the same But it's creating the the chemical reaction within the um The rocket like a little rocket is creating the thrust So it's not like air is sucking through it like with the jet airplane I should have been more precise about the jet airplane Yeah, but if there's nothing around the rocket to thrust against Then the rocket wouldn't move I mean move in a vacuum like you can set a rocket off in the vacuum the The gas is being created by the rocket will go up. Oh, here you go I know some one flat earth. They're like not you the other guy was originally supposed to debate tonight He was going to use a soda can thing like in a vacuum like to pull a back. It's when the cans deformed is a Stupid argument, but anyways, so when the soda can loses the You pull a vacuum on the cans deformed. He'll blow its top Right, but there's no air. It's a vacuum But there's movement without a without an atmosphere in a vacuum I'm going to blow my top if we stay on this topic anymore. Okay, we can move on to the next one So the scientific evidence required to go through the scientific method Um, it depends. Um So it depends on what you're seeing the scientific method is so the scientific method is is different depending on the The type of science it is that they're doing um, so it the yes, so So that would be the scientific methods Yes, scientific methods. There's multiple I'm talking about the scientific method. I'm saying there's science Anything outside of that is classified as pseudoscience. That's your opinion. That's not what scientists say So in science or multiple Scientific methods multiple ways we approach different hypotheses because sometimes we can't manipulate the um, the The variable to be able to calculate the result like where we use time, which we can't manipulate time Yeah, what about natural science? Can you do natural science without following the scientific method? um They always follow the scientific method once a claim you're you're trying to narrowly define what the scientific method is to One definition. I know what you're trying to do but whatever um Yes, and so you can treat time as a um Whatever one of the variables and then you can see the change of time. You can see what the results are depending on the change of time Time is not a variable. You could manipulate. I never said it was Okay, so uh, you can just wait and time changes Wait, yeah All right. Yeah, so what about gravitational orbits? Do you have you ever seen a gravitational orbit demonstrated here on earth? Mass of one object Causes the other object not to fall towards it But to float around it in a circle um, no, but you did you you phrased it that way So I want to see the cavendish experiment, but okay, that's fine if you want to talk Because you want to see orbit orbit around it in a circle But it that's what the cavendish and experiment is showing if the object did have enough speed It would orbit around the other object yes Did you just say the cavendish is proof of gravitational orbits? I No I hope not. I didn't say it proved gravitational orbits. So why are we talking about it? well, it's a The concept of that demonstrates That gravity exists and that explains why things can fall and maintain an orbit Above a certain altitude as long as it's going fast enough. Yes Are you one of those guys that pays women to like whip you? No, I'm not a No, I'm not a what see this I just feel like you're enjoying this punishment a little too much I enjoy conversation Nathan. I I don't feel like conversations punishment. We have disagreements. We don't agree on the topic I am that's not punishment to me But if you have And I think we should wrap it up maybe do some closing arguments like uh, give two minutes each or something like that And then we'll go to q&a. Yeah. Yeah Cool. Oh, yeah sounds good. Nathan. Yeah, this has been it's been a lot of fun. So, uh, yeah We'll kick it over. Well, did you want to close out there, Nathan? We can kick it over to Ozzie and and let you Yeah, I mean I started first. I don't mind closing it out first. Um Yeah, yeah, it's really hard for me to prove that they didn't do something 60 years ago other than looking at the preponderance of evidence and the preponderance of evidence is that One, they don't even have a vacuum strong enough to test All their equipment that they went to the moon in they lose all the telemetry data They destroy all the technology. We haven't been back in 50 years Do you look into uh, the physics of air nasa admits this on their website with the phases of matter That needs a container even at earth surface where gravity is the strongest It needs a container so gravity can't be containing it where gravity is the weakest The karmine line or anywhere closer to space that would all be exponentially lower Because gravity works on the inverse square law speaking of the inverse square law The moon should have been much brighter when they landed on it than it appears here on earth But it's actually much dimmer when they landed on it's not it's not even bright at all So it's bright enough to light up all the The desert sand when you walk around in a full moon You got those problems and when they tested the space suits the dudes passed out So now they do it in pools. Well the bloopers have bubbles in them I mean You got to put two and two together here. The truth is incontrovertible mouse will attack it ignorance will try and derive it But in the end there it is Psalm 2 says why do the nations rage and plot a vain thing the kings of the earth have Taken arms against the lord and his anointed saying let us break their chains and cast them asunder So the kings of the earth are all Flooding against the creator so it would just make sense that they would try and discredit his creation And the the sky is a map and a clock We've been lining up megalithic structures to it for thousands of years So we're not on a ball spinning around the sun spinning on its axis traveling through a vast vacuum in the milky way That's all booga booga nonsense given to you by delphic oracles who are paid to lie Thanks for your time ladies and gentlemen for watching. Thanks for having me modern day debate and thanks ozian. I look forward to the q&a All right. Well, thank you and for that closing there nathan and for being here And we're gonna kick it over to ozian for up to two minutes closing there Okay, so it's demonstrably true. We've been to the earth in the last I think it's month the Japanese crashed a lunar lander on the moon in april So we have been to the moon recently. So why would the government admit that they crashed land on the moon? anyways, I believe that the historical accounts the testimonial accounts would uphold and Any type of standard in any court including the partners that are for this including beyond a reasonable doubt I think you have no excuse to deny the moon landing. You have to be some sort of weird Skeptic or you have to deny it just because you believe Some other claim is true and it's a contradictory belief And you don't you can't somehow tie those together without some type of contradiction And I think I've demonstrated that today And I predestinated the conversation with nathan and thank you very much for a ryan for hosting it James for letting me come on here and modern day debate And this was a much better pleasant debate in the last one. I'm looking forward to the q&a Awesome awesome. Well, thank you so much ozzie and and Nathan ozzie and ozzie and I say it all kinds of ways because he's told me I don't think he cares. So, you know, uh, don't worry too much about that. But uh, as usual, I am kind of curious wondering What's going on in the live chat there? You know, we got 584 people still watching right now And I'm just gonna ask once again Is do we have arthritic wrists going on because the like button is just right down there right down there You just have to click it Please i'm all right. I'm not gonna ask you guys anymore. All right, because uh, I've given you enough chances All right, so we're going to kick it into our q&a now. Thanks everybody for being here Uh, our first question is coming in hot and it is for 22 dollars from kongo 44 Thanks for coming back. I have personally bounced a laser off of the retro reflectors left on the moon So that completely debunks Nathan's Rubbish, they said i'm gonna keep it spicy. I'm sorry. Of course. He has nothing but to call people who actually do things liars So no, I don't I don't think you're lying at all so I mean the problem with that is I think the moon is locked in the firmament and the sky is much closer and probably easier to bounce things off Then you and you're claiming that they put little reflectors on the moon a perfect angle So that 50 years later you could bounce a laser off it Dude, you want to believe that and you want to believe that that's proof they were doing there bouncing stuff off the moon Before they went to the moon to put the retro reflectors on there. So You want you want you're buying it bro? It's all good. You know, I'm not buying it All right Let's continue on earth is life for two dollars retro reflectors debate over I just Yeah, just to respond to that I think like if you're saying we measure like we bounced up off the moon That means we measured the distance to the moon, which is what like 230,000 miles away. So you agree with that No, not at all. I mean you could bounce something off the moon and it could be much closer Um, but they measure the time we know the speed of light so we can calculate the time delay And um, how far away the moon is based on that There's assumptions on the speed of light. Also, there's assumptions on the medium you're traveling through So you're assuming the speed of light and you're assuming the medium that you're traveling through No, we measure crown Assumptions not measurements. We've measured the round just the round trip speed of light Sure. Yeah, you want to believe that look into it ladies and gentlemen, there's assumptions All right. Well, we can continue on as I'm sure a lot of these, uh q&a Questions are going to launch just into more discussion So for five dollars. Oh flamie. Oh Nathan you can't have gas pressure without a container, but gravity is a force The mainstream science says gravity isn't even a force. So if that dudes a hundred years out of date Suit a force or it acts like a force we treat it like a force It acts like a force, but It's not force gravity is described by the general theory of relativity No, it's an effect of the bending of space spacetime the general relativity describes gravity. Yes What's an effect not a force? The the force of the consequences of our understanding of gravity. Yes How do you bend nothing? It's not it's not like we're physically bending stuff is the I'm not I'm not even going to pretend to argue at this point because I'm not a freaking physicist or a cardiologist but but regardless of the fact is it's it's a the Shape of the earth is or the universe is not cartesian. It's not x yz It's it's bending into gravity wells as far as our understanding is maybe our understanding will change in the future I'm sure it will Alrighty We've got another super chat in here Madicus minnow or minute. Sorry If i'm messing that up and you keep your super chats coming in everybody So for ten dollars from madicus. I love how people think nasa created Velcros Did you ever walk in the woods and get? Picker stickling in your clothes It takes nasa to make pickers plastic get it? I get it so Oncepts can exist eternally like But to design the things to make it actually marketable and work is what velcro is so Whatever, but I get it. Yes All right, we can continue on marion That was a question to modern day debate So we'll we'll save that till the end Just because it's not a super chat if we get into the end and we got a little more time Ten dollars from a day in Nathan You can do the cold moonlight in quotations Experiment during a new moon with no moonlight at all and get the same results. How do you explain it? That's a big question falsey. You're gonna have to prove that you can measure moonlight without the moon present Holy crap ladies and gentlemen That's what they said that the moon isn't there But you can measure the moonlight and get the same result He's saying you can measure the temp temperature differential inside and outside of shade similar to what threw his moonlight Well, there would be no shade if the moon wasn't present to produce to produce the shade What are you talking about? That's like saying you can measure the shade of the sun at night time What i'm using describing as shade is the structures that are providing insulation from the to maintain the heat that's being released by the earth Oh, that's what i'm just using shade. So I misuse words. I apologize All right, let's continue on um Five dollars from megalyn Nathan as a professional scuba diver. I can tell you bubbles don't behave like that at all underwater Thanks, dude. Yeah, you're right bubbles would never move around Underwater especially with people swimming around them Dude, have you guys ever played that game where you have the little bubbles and the little things inside? You press the thing in the air moves the game you play try to land on you guys never played that. Are you kidding me? Are you guys serious? That's your argument the bubbles would not move underwater in a pool with people swimming around Seriously in 2023. This is what I got to deal with dude This is ridiculous Any any thoughts over there ozayan? No, I I agree with the super chatter. Okay. All right. We'll just continue on there I'm just copying another one that came in and keep your super chats coming in just make sure that they're polite or else I'm not going to read them. All right, so Uh megalyn five dollars Nathan many airlines have cell service um Yeah, we'll just leave it that Did you have any comments on that? I mean even ozian admits he couldn't use his cell phone every time I fly I can't use my cell phone Maybe sometimes they can get cell phone service to the airplanes But if they don't have all frigid cell phone service working for planes and they could get a phone call to the moon with a ham radio 50 years ago You guys don't think anything's fishy about that. I mean That's statism at its finest ladies and gentlemen My communication navigation sort of guy I did that for a living for a long time in the us navy But I understand sort of how that stuff works But yeah, I think there is like wi-fi you can get in the airplanes You have some type of radio signal. They've received while they're flying Or satellite or whatever. I'm not sure exactly how to do it But sometimes you can't get a service on the airplane and you can use that service to make phone calls Sometimes you can't get service 100 miles out of town, dude I would give you a break guys. I was in houston, texas Where texas a&m 20 minutes from texas a&m and I couldn't get cell service there But they can convert a wife They can convert a wi-fi signal to a cell signal and transmit it within the aircraft if that's what they're doing I know you could do that. I'm not sure if that's how they're doing it or not. I don't Yeah, they could do it, but they destroyed the technology. It's painful process to get it back This is modern tech 2023 And they didn't destroy the technology and others other nations are going to the moon now So we have the technology the u.s. Just isn't doing it. Don pettit. The astronaut is wrong The purple shirt on shirt on youtube is right ladies and gentlemen. Listen the guy in the purple suit Don't listen to the astronaut don pettit because the astronaut that works for nasa Doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. Let's just throw him under the bus real quick, right? Yes, because technology is different from the equipment. So they have the knowledge Which is what technology is to me. So i'm using the words differently from him So he's seeing they destroyed all their tools and equipment and stuff to build the stuff They would need to go to space which is different from having the technology Which is on scene is the knowledge to build the things to go to space and go to the moon We know we can do it because we're doing it now Like five nations have been to the moon Only three have successfully landed I guess it's pretty hard to land on the moon without a human being there I mean that's pretty interesting though, isn't it like if you're going to think it's something We're actually it takes a human to pilot the the Lem down to the surface without crashing every or half the time pretty interesting What's your arguments where as fresh as your bernie suit osium? Bernie i'm not a bernie supporter by the way. I'm a libertarian and not that type of libertarian I said barney like the purple dinosaur. Oh barney. Yes. He's invisible though. You love me We all know nasa's bakery Back in the day. I used to use that as an easiest argument by the way the visible purple dinosaur I like I like the rhyming, but I did think he said I thought he said bernie as well So I I think our brains went to the same place, but buddy buddy sanders. Yeah, I could just I I can't I can't with the headphones on I can't hear my voice back. So no impressions tonight All right, uh, let's keep on moving everybody um Tim Prior oh, I'm scrolled down a little bit. Sorry. I might have missed skipped a few there um All right flanker 420 $10. What about historical proof the cold war was fake to The moon race was Also to show off who could make a bigger rocket for a show of force Also, how can I take detailed photos of the is The is thanks um Why can you take detailed photos because it's orbiting the earth? I think it's for nathan nathan go ahead So yeah, but I Yeah, if you wanted me to repeat a little bit quicker there. They asked what about historical proof Like the cold war happened in the us was motivated to go to the moon To show the rush to the the commies that we were superior to them I think is what he's saying Okay, so so One thing that the globes got to understand is a lot of the nations that might be fake fighting in the news Are all working together to fake space. It's one of the ways they steal money from their citizens so Hopefully that answers that I've never seen a detailed photo of the iss which is in a pool so Okay, you know, you can see it like Okay, have you ever looked at the iss? With telescopes? Yes. Okay. How long can you see it for from horizon to horizon? Uh, I'm not sure how fast it's going super super fast like I know I didn't ask how fast it's going because it is going super super I don't know. Can you tell me miles a second? Yeah, you can see it for approximately six to eight minutes In the night sky from horizon to horizon now in six to eight minutes going 5.3 miles a second 17,000 miles an hour Do you have any idea how fast the iss would travel during that time? um I don't I haven't done the math right now. So you if you know thousands of miles osean like basically From los angeles to new york So you're telling me you can see the space station the size of a soccer field at night in the night sky glowing for From la to new york in the sky Yeah for a few moments Like if you give telescope Not for a few moments For eight Oh, no, you can only see it if you can get a line of sight to it That's like a dump in the morning where you could fit in two chess games You can see it for eight minutes, bro Eight minutes and it's going 17,000 miles an hour It doesn't change angular size from horizon to horizon. It doesn't get dimmer or brighter Obeying the inverse square law because something going from la to new york would obviously get brighter as it gets closer to you And dimmer as it goes away It's like a drone, bro. There's something up there. Yeah, I agree with that But it's not the iss free falling at 17,000 miles an hour with flakes Accelerating decelerating and turning off it in the vacuum of narnia That's not real, dude Yeah, actually, I just looked it up. Um the angular size of the iss does vary as it travels I just google google told me. I mean, why do you need a brain anymore? I mean, you just just have to google it Well, I had to fact check you because I claimed didn't sound right So have you measured that to prove the angular size? Doesn't change as it tread transverses the entire sky You're claiming you can see it from la to new york, dude That's so ridiculous. I can't claim our claiming this You made a claim that the angular size does not change as a transversing entire sky. Did you measure that? Go look at it I don't have the measurements off off on hand here. It says the angular size does change Which is just basic trigonometry. I googled it. You didn't look at any iss flyby You googled the answer You don't think google's gonna have these answers ready for you glow pads. Thank you. Really cold No, it's because my mind is cold. They're all the nations are lying to you about everything google was created by a cia And you're like, you don't think google's gonna have an answer ready for you Numpy don't ask that can't think for yourself Give me as nothing It has nothing to do with the google results It's because I have an understanding of shapes and trigonometry and stuff like that So the claim you made on its face Sounded false, but I didn't want to just come out and say it was false without verifying that my My understanding of basic geometry was correct and that the angular size does change Okay, it does change because you looked on google, but I looked at the Flyby and it didn't change. So go look at all across the entire horizon When you watch the iss go from la to new york in eight minutes, which is flipping impossible and ludicrous to believe Go tell let me know measure it and then let me know if it changes size If it does i'll send you cash out really appreciate. I was wrong Wouldn't be the first time won't be the last Thank you would be great. I don't like the Campbell All right Well, uh, yeah, let's continue on then. Um, do do do Um Oh, we're gonna skip that one. Thanks for five dollars. They're a megaline, but uh, I won't be reading that one tim prior um austin austin Until you say I think you yeah, you may have mistaken our speaker here until you can name one field of science that agrees with you Don't even say a word Um, so I mean, I don't know if that's for you or if he's trying to be Mocking or I'm not sure if he just made a mistake, but you're welcome to skip that if you want That's it's a normal comment that's made towards witsit. So Go ahead guys watching the debate from last night and think he's in the live live chat I don't know, but I respect a super chat. I just oh good fluid statics large bodies of water Do not curve the surface is level and horizontal to its container the word level in the dictionary means free of bends curves in irregularities Synonyms are flat Plumb flush and straight Well, you were bringing up the stuff about the scientific methods Oh give that question was for witsit. Not you can we You are correct. That is funny That is funny, but let's let's let us I in uh, let's let us I in I was there I was done so Sorry, I thought it was funny Yeah, no, you weren't bringing up the thing about the scientific method. So maybe it was related for that and and They think you look like witsit Maybe that's a compliment. I don't know. But anyways, now we're all good-looking people. I think I like I like to think so. All right. Let's continue on Um, tim prior. I agree. Nathan. We don't live on a ball We live on a planet, but you can't get that right. Can you it's a little spicy? So we live on a ball. We uh, I agree, Nathan. We don't live on a ball. We live on a planet So I agree. He agrees with me. I'm right. See Yeah, we don't live on a ball. We live on a planet. We definitely don't live on a ball. Next question, correct Straight facts no cap See, you're not even wearing a cap. No cap Hey, we all agree if we have a moment of an agreement. That's uh, that's a good win. That's a good win We're near the end. I think here. So, uh, you know, we got maybe about 15 minutes left Unless we get into something real real juicy Uh, let's continue on Um, oh flameo for two dollars. Thank you so much to clarify said ryan I said force field you didn't read it right. So his initial comment up here was Nathan you can't have gas pressure without a container But gravity is a force field The force field. Yeah, use the force young skywalker. All right, cool I'm an ordained jedi knight and he knows that so And he's he's a character you should be Come to the modern day debate discord and you should have a chat with them I thought you were gonna say come to the dark side Oh, no, I'm a jedi The light side like I have my That's a sith book. Don't look at that one. That's pretty I'm not familiar. I date girls On a on a separate note. I am I am making a star wars I'm making a star wars dnd campaign and it's going to be very exciting I'm not going to give any spoilers because uh It's alternate reality stuff, you know, it's getting crazy. All right. Let's continue on So beyond our force field and our star wars references Earth first space later $5 the moon is always lit evenly no matter the phase a sphere would never reflect light that way It's not a rock floating in a sky vacuum Like that one's for you was on Yeah, so the um a sphere he's saying the sphere would always reflect the same amount of light back Is that the claim well, I'll read it a little quicker here So maybe it'll sum sum it up a little nicer. The moon is always lit evenly no matter the phase A sphere would never reflect light that way. It's not a rock floating in a sky vacuum So the the light that's reflected back to you it would change its intensity dependent on What part of the moon is physically closer to you would technically be brighter there But the difference in distance between the light the albedo reflecting the sunlight to you Isn't that much difference from the size shape of the moon compared to the distance of the earth To the moon, which is like 230,000 miles So the light is going to look relatively even due to How far the moon is away from the earth And the light travels in straight lines the Light you're seeing is a light this reflecting directly back Well off the sun directly back to the earth. Yeah, but that requires you to know the distance to the moon How do you know the distance to moon? We have this device we can Reflect lasers off of it. I think we've used radar to measure there you are speaking french again We now if we use Retro reflectors on the moon to determine the distance the moon How do you get to the moon to put the retro reflectors there einstein? Well, I proved it Religion says you went there in a homeless tweaker shelter. How did you know the distance to get there? Who placed the retro reflectors? I think it was during one of the later apollo missions like 15 or something that we put the reflectors on there Wasn't like the first so we didn't know the distance to the moon until apollo 15 mission Oh, we had radar we measured the distance to the moon prior to that You measured it with radar. I believe it was with radar. I'd have to verify that yeah Okay All righty. Well, uh, we'll ask another question to nathan while you check that out design So uh megalyn for you nathan for for ten dollars says nathan again bubbles underwater accelerate and grow in size The particles you see in space are moving at constant velocity and staying the same size You know the accelerate and decelerate and if you have a certain massive air underwater that massive air is not going to just Grow unless the air is somehow heating up or something So no bubbles don't just get bigger and bigger and bigger underwater I haven't even heard that so I hate using these ancient Greek philosophers to show the distance to the moon I know we did other tests after that. I'll look it up later I missed that comment entirely. Sorry super chatter Excellent. Uh, I'm back now. Sorry about that Did you uh, did you look that up there as I and you want to check that out or did you want to continue on? I let's continue on. I'll yeah. All right. Let's continue I've read it before I just can't remember the every way we've measured the distance of the moon Oh, okay. Yeah, I know you were checking that out. So I thought that might be a topic of discussion there So uh, as to Ben Ilabaka and uh, yeah, it looks like our live chat has uh, kicked up again. They're Kicking in scream and they want us to keep uh having this debate So keep those live chats coming in and we'll uh, we'll keep having the discussion So, uh continuing on, uh, and I'm trying not to butcher names. So as to been, uh, Ilbaka For 5500 clp, not sure what that is, but Nathan no one has measured the iss staying the same size It looked like that to you once measured it isn't also the time it takes is precisely what's predicted Expected and observed Stop lying they added at the end Yeah, I mean we we'd expect to see something the size of a soccer field from la To new york, we expect that things don't decrease in angular size the farther they get away, Nathan That's just stupid fluff math And yeah, they do And it's chili and pesos he's saying it is does change in angular size What he said You're saying it doesn't I got you. I answer the question All right, so, uh, $5, uh from tim prior Nathan we all understand this is a little bit of tacky. Do you want me to read this? Go for it. Yeah, tim's a big fan of mine. He shows up for all my debates, dude I I live rent free and a lot of glovers heads, but yeah, I have no idea who they are, which I'd like to keep it that way All right. Well, uh, Nathan's getting spicy. So we'll read your chat there, uh, tim Nathan we all understand you don't get big numbers This is why you mean nothing in the real world. That's a little that's a little spicy, but uh He's saying you don't understand big numbers or big math. So We're gonna cap it at that point and try to focus on that That's a little rude Oh zion, what's to the 20th power? To the 20th power What is it one million what? it's one million raised to three times a hundred I think One million forty eight thousand five hundred seventy six now. What's that times two? What did you say? I think you said oh you said two to the tenth power two Two to the 20th power. Oh, yeah, you're right. I was thinking 10 Whatever one million forty eight thousand five hundred seventy six. What about two to the 21st power? I can do it two four eight sixteen thirty two sixty four one twenty eight two fifty six five twelve one thousand twenty four two thousand forty eight four thousand ninety six eight thousand one hundred ninety two Sixteen thousand three hundred eighty four thirty two thousand seven hundred and sixty eight Sixty-fourth of whatever but yes five hundred thirty six One hundred thirty nine thousand seventy two two hundred sixty two thousand is based to yeah I think it's super based. It's just it's just an insult. Yeah, I heard 10 to the 20th power I don't know why I heard that That guy can't even probably probably can't even write cursive left-handed mirror image and he's saying I don't know big numbers Come on bro. Go study your go study your Sometimes sometimes I wonder like the like conceptualization of shapes because I debate Some like flat earthers that it seems like they don't understand basic geometric states shapes and basic geometry Have you heard some of these people actually call math? They call it math and magic They can they they treat it like it's fake You're not that person. Are you like? Math is real. Okay No math is real. I'm a vegan though. I eat fake meat and if you eat real animals I was something wrong with you guys. Do you got to get stop your addiction to body parts? But I'll just throw that in there. Yeah I like my wife's body parts That's good. Yeah, but don't eat your wife's body parts. Well, not all Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on everybody. Hold on. We want everybody to stay in the live chat We don't want to send them off elsewhere. Okay. Keep it. We want spicy, but not like hot. So let's continue on All right, thanks for that Yeah, that's that that's all our thoughts on that one there. So we're gonna continue on Earth first space later for two dollars sell Sell any sell any lion? I can't say this word All in alien sell in alien. Thank you so much. Sell in alien shadows disprove globe model hands down Sure, it's refraction through the atmosphere. We know it is if it's refraction causing lunar eclipses You can't predict them months or years in advance, dude. That would be based on We can predict refraction. We know how refraction works through the atmosphere You can predict the weather months and years in advance. You don't predict the weather It's not refraction through the low atmosphere of the earth is refraction through the upper atmosphere of the earth Otherwise, you would see clouds would block this Would block them and it is that's what's going on They get the lunar eclipse from the sorrow cycle. You know that, right? Um The side of real cycle. Yeah, I can't pronounce words. Sure Sorrows cycle sorrows to predict the eclipses. Yeah, that was developed by Yeah, they've known how to predict eclipses for thousands of years. I know Flat earthers have known how to predict eclipses for thousands of years. You're right. Yes Back when they didn't even think earth was a globe. They knew how to predict eclipses. Isn't that interesting? It's based on measuring the periods between Incidences and they could calculate it based upon that when they would When they would happen they had this all complicated mathematical modeling system To calculate where all the celestial bodies would be that were obvious from the earth. Yes Like we we know the history of how we went from that model conceptualization of the solar system to the one we have today But yeah, the super chatter was right selenallion eclipses debunk the heliocentric model That's why they call them the impossible eclipse. Look it up ladies and gentlemen's google impossible eclipse They're gonna start telling you how it's refraction Yes, it's not impossible. It's rhetoric. It's like rhetorical flourish. They just color for language All right, uh, we'll continue on uh, so we only got a few super chats left So, uh, everybody in the live chat if you want to keep the keep our speakers speaking Fire some more in the live chat. If not, we're gonna be wrapping it up here soon Uh, megaland five dollars. Nathan, you're just talking nonsense gas expands as it rises in the ocean As the pressure decreases Oh, okay. Yeah, that would make sense the pressure decreases the bubbles would get a little bit bigger but I mean in a pool that's 20 30 feet deep there's not going to be a drastic Difference in the pressure gradient. Yeah No, at 30 feet deep is double. So at 20 feet deep, it's like I think it's like nine psi Higher at 20 feet deep something like that. So every 10 feet it's like Sorry, iosin. Oh, maybe it's every 10 feet is a quarter atmosphere or something like that But that's actually really interesting because if we could show that those are expanding as they go up in frame Then then what are glober is going to say that? Like what really what it because I haven't even looked for that ever It could come close. It could be because it's coming closer. So the angular size is going to bigger So you have to be able to Well, you have to be able to tell if it's coming closer or not to You got your math magic ready, bro. Just math a little bit on there Math magic bay Well, let's continue on uh, right s to ben Uh, ilabaca once again of clp. Whatever. I should have looked this up in the meeting. Shelly and peso chili and pesos. Yes He had this last time. Thank you so much Uh, Nathan it changes angular size and is precisely the angular size such a shiny object should be So this is uh, they are expanding on I think their earlier chat. So let me just bring that up ISS Yeah, yeah, we got it. Okay. Cool. Yeah. All right. You guys already understand where we're going So Nathan it changes angular size and is precisely the angular size such as a shiny object should be How large is a sunlit mirror at a distance? Okay, the ISS is not a mirror guys. That's that's a problem It's glowing in the sky at night on the opposite side of the sun And globers don't see any problem with that it travels the distance from la to new york and stays lit the entire time It's not uh 100 degrees opposite of the sun But it's on the what do they call the solar, um What do they call it the solar plane is different from the earth's plane So the earth is spinning like this is the sun is like this So the ISS can be over here where you're in the dark, but the sun Can shine off the ISS depending on where it is in relationship to the earth and the sun All right, I will uh ask one of the questions that was posted to at modern day debate uh Though which a couple people were asking about which I think adds some extra context to the overall conversation we were having tonight So mary and gran brough heim uh says at modern day debate according to nathan thompson Why are they allegedly lying about the nature of the moon or the landing I guess in that case Yeah, I said to hide the creator But also if people are paying you 60 to 80 million dollars a day For a space agency and space isn't real Well, then you're gonna constantly have to come up with new things to lie about So that's why they're always discovering plants or there's this asteroid over here We got a new view of Saturn's moon or blah blah blah blah There's freaking homeless people in america and they're going to take pictures of rocks even if we were a ball in space Stealing 80 million dollars a day to go take pictures of it is ridiculous So that's my answer All right, I would love to have the homeless problem debated sometime that would be good to have We probably would agree more than not though nathan Oh, we always have uh the option to line up more debates So when we get to the end of this so that is the end of our questions there and our super chats Uh, did either of you want to take a minute for any other closing statements or are we good to wrap up? No, other than the christian I debated up praise. Uh, you were probably one of the one people I enjoyed debating the most dude So, oh, thanks nathan. That's you. I know you're not the first time I've heard that off of me, but my head is off to you as well I enjoyed the conversation nathan. I think we can feed off each other like but some people just want to feed off themselves Yeah, for sure Awesome. Well with that a moment of amicability I appreciate everybody in the live chat coming out uzayan Nathan, this has been great We'll be back again tomorrow For some more juicy topics So stay tuned for that and make sure that you share this out to your spaces where you do these debates Put it on your facebook's Instagram, you know take clips, you know do that sort of thing and show your friends So that we can uh get this these debates out there because that is the best way for us to uh Yeah, get our content out there. Yeah, let's get this out. All right. Thanks everybody Have a good one. Good job. I'm moderating too bud. Yeah, thanks nathan