 So, welcome. Hello. This book should be the first one of the day about on-year, not only about on-year, but several topics around on-sunday. This morning we were introducing a bit during the open session and also during the speech from Simon, the Cosmo project that is the very first idea from TDF to create something that is not just a project used by only by the office and our community. So, what is it Cosmo? It's a problem, because we invite to user problems and it's the community of the ODF, Specification of Angels. So, the name should just clarify, which is the main goal. The idea to create this new project, this new, let's say independent project, was started around 2018 just because looking at the main format that we were previously using on the AF and looking at the development of the standard was clear enough that there was a technical committee working on the implementation, no improvement to the standard, but the standard was not really available to the public. Apart from my Michelle, that is one of the contributors to this technical committee, how many here know something about OASIS and how the process of the standardization of ODF is working. So, we are talking about the standard, we are talking about something that should be written and made available in a way that can't be confused, should be standardized, just something that then should be possible to implement, for example, the software. So, as you can imagine, it's not just something that you can write in your spare time for creating the new version of the standard. There is a process, everything is under the umbrella of OASIS. So, it's not ODF, it's OASIS that is taking care of other standards and also ODF. The work at OASIS is organized in technical committees where there are developers that are sharing ideas, collecting specifications and then writing the standard or updating an existing one. So, the process is a really long one. You need to write the specification in a different way otherwise you risk to have something that can't be implemented in real softwares. So, the technical committee was working and it's still reactive, but in reality, what was missing for releasing the new version of the standard was the technical document that is used for creating, for example, the new version of the software, the technical specification. So, ODF, for this reason decided to try to push a bit more invest indirectly for sponsoring an expert that was able to create the final version of this specification. So, ODF, in this case, 1.3 for improving the software that are using ODF in the daily workflow, like, for example, in the office. So, as I was saying, the idea was to create something that was not just connected with the office. ODF is a standard used also by software. The specifications, as I was saying before, are available for everyone. So, everyone with technical background can create his own product able to handle properly the ODF files. So, the main goal was to create something really independent. And with the foundation, with the border we decided to start this concept project under the public software that is a UK company and as a legal entity it's a community interest company. The concept project is the first example of something that can be compounded for creating a new standard. The main sponsor of this project was ODF, but that one was really surprising to see Microsoft sponsoring the project itself. Because, as I was saying, ODF is not used only by developers. So, Microsoft was joining the group sponsoring the Cosmo project. Then we had our companies that decided to support this idea, like Vapora, CRV. Then we had the UK government that was recently in the European Commission. These money were used for creating the final specification for the ODF 1.3 that the technical committee was already developing a really great job for having something that is also modern and that can include features that are really useful for the users. So, the good news is that the idea was a good one, because we finally have the draft of the new specification of the ODF 1.3. Obviously, as I was saying, this standardization process is not something that can be completed in a few months, not in a few months. So, probably we will be able to see the final standard of the ODF in the end of the 2020, not before. Maybe we will be happy, but usually this one is the normal process. So, this one is the first way to support the new file format that can guarantee the free download from the web application. While migrating to the web office or in general to other free office suite, it's always important to keep in mind that the main goal is not just to have new web office users, but to have users that are really free, because this one is the most important thing. If you are not the owner of the content that you are producing, you can also lose a lot of important information that are not available anymore because the software that can open that file is not available anymore. So, ODF means freedom. For the very same reason, the next step that was always connected with OASICS and the technical committee was to try to keep to close the other gap that was in any case evident to all the people involved in the ODF technical committee. So, discussing with OASICS, the idea was to start this ODF democracy project. Initially, when we were discussing OASICS, the idea was to start finally a new advocacy project, a new way to share the importance to use open format like ODF for the documents. Then, after this discussion, the idea was to create this new advocacy project under the open project at OASICS that is a new way to sponsor standard and in general activities because the main issue when you have to work around standards is, for example, that for working on the technical committee you must be analysis member so you must pay the fee for being a member of this technical committee. With the open project the idea is to have members of the technical committee or in general OASICS member members that can ask to start another project but when the project is active when the project is approved also none OASICS member can join on the project can contribute to the project and push the activity. So the main activities just because the idea is to share as much as possible is to have everything for the moment that were on the table the page is just a chapter with information of the project about the mission because probably it's in any case something endorsed by OASICS so it's not a club of friends that are meeting over a beer it's something approved by sponsored and approved by OASICS so there is a chapter there is a mission there is a board and this particular project was started by TDF with Italo in this board of TDF on Tuesday and the CEP that is one of the members of the technical committee and with me as a counterpart for OASICS project so the chapter as I was saying the main problem for ODS is that the standard is great is available and I'm not really aware of the importance of ODS of the really great freedom that can be achieved using this format instead of our collaborative format and the group should also create materials that can be used also by other people that want to join the group just for a common base that can be used for sharing information for avoiding maybe to share not completely correct informations and there are let's say three main idea the first one is to work on the concept of awareness but it's so important to work on the education so the educational project is always something part of the definition so for us it's important to share information to share knowledge in this case about ODS so we are not talking about schools with the concept education but we are talking about general information that should be shared, that should be available in particular to the decision makers that can decide to switch from a closed format to an open standard format like ODS then when they are switching to ODS maybe they can also consider to switch to the group our goal should be not only to have new library office users so this one it's a concept that we should keep in mind while working on our migration for example from other software to library office and obviously we need to do a bit of marketing when we are talking about marketing sometimes there are people that are just thinking to players, stickers and something like that but we know that the marketing of a standard is not just this it's important to have materials available but it's much more and there are obviously several benefits that are also for the business so in particular when we are in contact with big companies that are planning to migrate or public administration so in general also they use us but in particular big migrations is really fundamental to share what is ODS and why it's important to adopt ODS instead of other 5-4 months trust me I saw a lot of confusion while discussing with a so-called expert around 5-4 months standards etc and seems really impossible but for several people it's normal to use other 5-4 months just because everyone is already using that format and they can't get the point that in that way choosing that kind of format they are really risking to lose the access to their documents and it's something that should be a concept that should be pushed much more than what we have done until now it's less than what we are planning to do with the ODS acquisition project then obviously we hope to have much more people involved not only users but also companies so everyone that wants to share the effort to ODS in the world have you switched to the other microphone I'll change it then so the idea is to explain people that when we are talking about standards something that is close to users and not something that is close to technical people of course standards we have technical people that ensure technical people that are here that ensure that the standard is good but then the advantages of the standard are for non-technical people and this is something that we talk about because usually standards are seen as something which is very technical most standards are very technical especially if we think about mechanical standards these are very technical but in this case when we talk about document standards document standards are there to protect the end user not to protect the technical guy technical guys can deal with non-standards end users have issues in dealing with non-standards so the basic concept and this is something that I would like everyone to think about ODF is solid and robust never use secure never use better it's not better it's a better standard it's not a better format not entering into the merit of the quality of ODF versus the quality of office over XML that is a discussion for technical people for the user the difference is that it is a better standard for the user it's not a better standard for technical people that's not a problem if they make it a better standard there will be additional advantages but at the moment it's a better standard for end users because it's consistent across operating systems so if you create a document with a LibreOffice on a Linux machine and you create the same document with LibreOffice on a MatlinTosh or on a Windows machine the file will be extremely similar getting 100% identical 100% is probably close to impossible but the scene data will be over 90% and probably over 98% I tested that I use a Windows machine now but I have a MatlinTosh Adoma and a machine a real-world Windows machine and I test and I compare the documents and the underlying XML is very similar so the document is almost identical this means that the parser on the different platforms has not to make an additional effort to read the document it's basically the same this is the reason why when we exchange document we never had problems maybe the document can be broken but this is another story this happens in bits can be broken but when you open a presentation that is made on MatlinTosh and you open it on Windows unless the user does make mistakes which may happen but you will be able to open the document without any issue and this means that it is a truly interoperable format so when you open the document you don't have to think about it as being created with the online version of LibreOffice so there might be issues because images are not embedded images will be at the same place and it's predictable so for instance it happened we had a user in Italy that the presentation broke and I asked the user if you don't have anything secret in the presentation can you send me the file I unzip the file I separated the images and the text all the text of the slides and all the images and she was a lady and she told me how could you do that because it's everything is in the file so the file was broken so you cannot open it again with the impress but I can give you all the elements so you will be able to reproduce the file in a matter of minutes this because the paragraph is a paragraph in LibreOffice it's a paragraph in XML if you look at Microsoft Office documents a paragraph can be whatever you go from it can be a paragraph but it can be a list of XML text connected to each other by in of other XML tags but it's not under the form of a paragraph for the human mind for the human mind the paragraph starts with a calendar letter and ends with a food stock for the 97.5% of human beings who have not a technical background like me this is a paragraph if you ask what is a paragraph they will say it's a sentence ending with a food stock and for LibreOffice it's not true for Microsoft Office so OVF is a better standard file format for users this is the concept that we have to work for this is the concept that we have to convince people if someone enters into the discussion office of an XML can handle that kind of feature I don't mind we are not talking about the feature that can be handled by a format we are talking about how the format protects the users against issues with the computer and this is what non-technical users what non-technical users have they have issues because in some cases they do not manage the computer they don't have control over the computer I see for instance I see my wife she's not a power user in some cases she has issues with the with the files which are not related to the file but to the fact that the computer is not behaving as she expects in to behave if the format is predictable the user will be will find it easier to deal with documents because documents are predictable so the way the document is made will be consistent will be the same this is a good marketing concept it's like you say you know it's if you want to eat food in the can you usually read the ingredients it's like anything over here that has an ingredient that says text readable by the user and the other one text readable by the technical people but not by the user so it's like buying a dish of spaghetti in the United States and realize that they are not spaghetti that is obviously a matter they are they are an eatable piece of pasta not spaghetti as we defined in Italy F is real spaghetti the other one are fake spaghetti or if you want spaghetti cooked in the American way how they do that in Seattle so some ideas and many of these ideas I already presented them may not be completely new to you but I think that it's so important that we all become familiar with this that I want to repeat them and I want to have your feedback because the way we are dealing with format may be different according to our cultures may be different the way that people work with computers in different countries so please give us a feedback and say this concept is good for Japan ok, let's use it let's try it maybe it works in Japan, it works in Italy I don't know but until we don't test it we will never know if something that has been elaborated by a Japanese guy or a French lady works in Italy, Spain so we have to test we don't have the money to take a marketing agency that makes the test for us so let's help each other to do the testing ourselves share the concept when you make a presentation about the DF and Franklin has a huge amount of presentation about the DF in Taiwan unfortunately he does them in Chinese because they use a weird language in that country but I would like to see Franklin and maybe Eric that is behind Eric is a shy person but he is a fantastic guy I would like to see them presenting in English their Chinese slides when you talk about the DF in Taiwan I would like to listen to your presentation and make sure that we can learn from you how you present the DF to a different culture and maybe 80% of what you said can be used in Europe or adapted of course or adapted to what we are doing so let's do that more together the DF advocacy is that is put together the knowledge base of the project around the DF and then make it popular where we need to make it popular which is public administrations CIOs of companies people that decides what to implement because if we manage to do like the entire one that is it's not important the software that you are using it's important to use a software but first let's produce a standard format then of course when you decided you produce a standard format then you can start discussing which software is producing the better format but first teach the other to produce a standard document so I know that you own the left one the left one is a free software foundation campaign we cannot read your documents I don't know if you know the right one it's not Photoshop it's a true document it exists it's a manual maybe you don't read this but the title is how to lock in your clients so it's there's no other meaning how to lock in your clients and if you are able to write a 60 page manual on how to lock in your clients it means that you have done a lot of job on that this is a manual from Microsoft to professional services further how to lock in the clients using software of course because Microsoft is not producing peanuts how to lock in people with peanuts how to lock in people with software and we have the answer the answer is the open document format and the tagline document standard which offers freedom of choice is true because you don't have to choose an operating system you don't have to choose a software you have many different software that you use on the F you use it on different platforms we have these are in alphabetical order so do not make a so these are the countries where there is a kind of law that promotes of the F as standard there are different ways of promoting in France they have the referential so they say FF document should be of the F Portugal they have a law that says we should use of the F no one uses of the F but the law is there Sweden they have a purchase law so the purchase law says you can purchase software in the public administration only if it manages of the F in Taiwan they basically have everything in the UK has a similar law to Portugal in the UK they are implementing so they are working and in fact we have the UK government in the advisory board of the document foundation has funded the Cosmo project because they are interested and they are working I mean it's not going to they standardize in 2014 but it's not going to happen in 3 years, 4 years, 5 years they probably 10, 15 years because it's an education process so they have to educate people and of course with the old generation fading away it will be easier with the new generation coming in to educate people so I expect the process to become faster when the new generation will come in because they understand more of computers than the old generation what's an open format we all know what an open format is but get a customer to explain that to people because people do not understand what an open format is they think that an open format is something that is free available so that you can use to save a document from a software that is not an open format so many people when I go to public administration many people tell me yeah, but I'm using an open format anyone can read an OKX this is already not true but let's say let's assume that everyone is able to read an OKX the problem is that it's not open why? because the development is not a transparent process so the minutes of the meetings are not available so we don't even know if there are meetings because if you don't publish the date and the minutes of the meeting you can have the meeting or not have the meeting it has changed since the first iteration I don't know nothing has been published the reality is that if you analyze the files the files have changed so either the standard has changed or the standard is not implemented because if you implement a standard the document has to be consistent so get a customer trying to find the way to explain open format is to your colleagues to people when you do presentation is important if you present LibreOffice always remember to introduce ODF because otherwise people will give for granted that LibreOffice opens Microsoft Office Pie and is something to handle Microsoft Office Pie we had a French lady a few days ago riding on a mailing list I want my money back because I thought that LibreOffice was a clone of Microsoft Office and it's not in this case we are happy to refine the guy because it's simply the wrong attitude to think that LibreOffice is just a free version of Microsoft Office is a completely different story and learn how to describe a proprietary format when people ask you and this has happened to everyone of us in our personal history I cannot read anymore that file instead of telling them I can help you which is what we usually do spend the first five minutes explain them that if you do not use a standard format this would not happen then you show them that a program that is based on standard format can open and no standard document because usually LibreOffice opens documents that old version of Microsoft Office is not opening so either old doc files or I have cases of last version of Microsoft Office so 2019 not opening of this 2007 document so not opening documents so let I know that sometimes we don't have the time to do this kind of stuff but we have to we don't have the money to make up the pricing on their spigel or the Figuero where they say why don't you learn how to what the benefit of of an open standard so we have to be really ourselves, our ambassadors of the open standard concept the F is an open standard this is easy I'm not going to repeat the slides will be available many of these slides you have already seen them and if you think the elements of interoperability we have a technical element it's available we have the format we have the standard we have the platforms data, they are available XML is a standard so if you respect the XML standard you have the data format which is available where the problem is is the institutional so the systems are not giving importance to the standards and the human factor so the people is not giving importance to the standard so they when I show these slides in some cases people will say yeah but this is what happens with Microsoft offices and they say no sorry in one of these PCs as a very old version of office it will never open a document and vice versa so a new version of Microsoft office will not open an old document for format so it's not happening because it's not a standard one of the F-based interoperability is this one the relationship the one-to-one relationship in software content which is the relationship that Microsoft office has it's not happening you don't have one-to-one relation you have one-to many contents many software can produce it content is always the same and about cost unfortunately I think that earlier or later we will find the money to make a search on this topic because I think this would be quite important but we can use this example I used it recently because I was called by I'm a member of the IG so you can understand how IGs are the other and the president had an issue he was not able to open his presentation on his whole computer on the association computer and I was at the meeting and I was supposed to be sent so they were able they told me are you able to open it and I come with this with this computer and this computer looks like a Windows machine to the normal human being because it's a so I opened the office and they said it doesn't look like Windows no it doesn't look like Windows oh so you can use Linux the nice thing is so old that you can use Linux and I said yes you need one neuron connected to both your hands so that's what you need no more than that so I opened the presentation of the president with labor office it was perfectly presentation from my cleanest computer at the meeting and at the end I don't think I will be able to do it again for sure you don't have the neuron connected to the end which is by the way knowing the guy is true but this is just collateral damages because it's using Windows the damages are connected to other stuff anyway the national institute of standard technologies in the states was called you may not be familiar with the what is called the US capital of this industry when in the the United States when in the United States a building company wants to build a skyscraper let's say 170 store building 300 meters high they don't have pocket money to pay for it you need millions of dollars so you go to these guys that are basically giving you the money to start building they give you millions of dollars in some cases they give you billions of dollars and at the end of the year they would like to know where the billions of dollars have been spent so let's make it short but they were missing at the end of the year they were driving a neuron although I can increase my voice though it's just making it it's still not ok they were missing one billion dollars so all the accounts that were given them were the X minus one million dollars so they said we would like to find where that one million dollars has been spent so they went to that institute which is a neutral entity and said can you make a research and they produce a 65 72 page document that is about as written here cost analysis of in adequate interoperability so it's rather easy to understand and these are so the three numbers that you see in red and these are millions of dollars they are not they are not euros that you have in your pocket so that translation cost 2 million 139 ok not a lot of money main one reentry cost 462 millions of dollars in one year manual reentry means I was not able to read the preview I had the printed previous document but could not read the digital document so I have to rewrite contracts descriptions all this stuff reworking design fights this is thanks to Autodesk it's 960,000 dollars and this is before starting to build the building then after the building has started you have another 27 million men fiskas we say Italian dollars and translation costs so full foreign this is Italian macaroni English you have 500 million dollars disappearing for lack of interoperability it's true that this is a very capital intensive industry but that is 500 million dollars I would like to have them myself I think all of us even sharing 500 million dollars building us would be nice ok, so as a cost interoperability as a cost show that document is usually enough to go to people and say I can explain you it's enough to show them the PDF they will never accept you to send them the PDF which is something that I always try to do but no one wants the PDF they say I believe you I trust you what you say sorry I lost the restaurant is it coming in the USA or in the world? it's an industry that is easy to be produced in any part of the world so it's a building industry it's like going to the bank and asking money for the building industry for a building documents are using the building industry so you have contracts descriptions I don't know in English but when we say capital so it's when you have the assignment the document that assigns a work these have to be clear because of course there is a lot of money involved that and therefore the document has to be clear and the problem is that the document are not and this is all explained in details in the document so I only show you the final table but the details are the documents are being rewritten because it was impossible to read them and so on and of course for such a figure they don't accept the scanned document they want the original for sure if you give someone 3 billion dollars I think you want the signature by pen and you want also to choose the color of the pen for this kind of money office of xml everyone knows how much I like bananas so these are the two logos and actually I didn't design the office of xml logo this is designed by a Greek guy issue document complexity so this is a little bit we are entering into a more technical area it's not really technical but to explain it you need to transform into human readable concept something that is technical the reality is that the document is extremely we consider document as everyday stuff the reality is that the documents are very complex because in the document there is an ontology there is a syntax so you have flow your images you have undergoing if you have an index you have underlying flow of contents then you have references so the document can be extremely complex and people do not understand this so we have to make it we have one hour five minutes left so we start later no problem so for us this is simple red but this is the way that red is described by Libre office and by Microsoft office you see that it is completely weird these are the dates when we meet Microsoft people I always ask them their birthday and when they say January and say no no no no sorry my birthday is 1948 they say what does it mean? this is Excel number so you are a Microsoft employee you should know Excel numbers not standard numbers use Excel numbers some Microsoft employees are not even aware that Excel stores number in that weird way as consecutive numbers from January 1st 1900 forward then comparing this one this is the length of the XML in different windows version but additionally in during the last two years I discovered that they have seasonal version which is very fashionable like Gucci as winter and summer so you have transitional winter transitional summer and as you can see the difference there is always a difference the different collection really I still have to make transitional summer 2019 but they ensure that it would be different sorry for the nine missing there it is of course when you explain people mimicking Shakespeare this is Libre Office mimicking Shakespeare and this is Microsoft Office mimicking Shakespeare actually the current version is different from this but this was at his worst was transitional summer 2017 so we have ODT is simpler if we look at the inside the documents it's a if you look at presentation it's funny because the standard says that the content file should be one and in Powerpoint you have content file for each slide so it's not consistent with the declaration of the standard so these are the the action of myself so I know Libre Office developers are a bunch of geniuses and I'm close for the guy and Microsoft Office developers are a bunch of idiots but I don't think it is the difference is that they put stuff unnecessary stuff into of this opening summer to make it more difficult to read the collateral issue five times using attacks this was 2011 was a research sponsored by the german government and it was done by simantec is PDF but these are office documents so the blue is office documents and this is Caspetti lab in 2019 so in the last three years these were attacks using office documents and this is attacks using office documents today 70% of malware attacks are using an office document this of course made me an issue you know that Libre Office at the Libre Logo issue and I think this can be related a little bit the fact that we had a number of cvd in the last few months but the reality is that this is a third party so this gives you an idea and if you show this to be more explain I mean it's up to you to decide to continue to use office documents if you want to have an alternative let's discuss we have a better alternative which is standard and this is finished and I think if you have questions we are really happy to answer the question but consider this as the first of a number of meetings going which might be a vehicle over the next few months and years because we need to become better at doing marketing of ODF all together so it's not just me I spent quite a lot of time in doing this kind of analysis but it's something that we should do all together and now I leave to the serious guy that is presenting you ODF 1.3