 Okay, our next speaker to switch gears a little bit is Dr. Ivan Alvarado. Ivan is a member of the Independent Investigation Group. We've had many other members on this particular platform and has expertise in electrical engineering with a PhD from UCLA. Today, he applies his expertise in nanoscale fabrication of electronics in debunking supposed scientific claims about a metal UFO artifact from a while ago. His talk is titled scientific deception the Billy Meyers metal samples. Please welcome Dr. Ivan Alvarado. Is it on now? I can hear myself in the background. Okay, so tell my talk is the scientific deception the Billy Meyers metal samples. Now quick history of the cases from the highlights the Billy Meyers it's a citizen of Switzerland and for 40 years has been claimed that he's been in contact with extraterrestrial beings, intelligent extraterrestrial beings and continuance and all that. Photographs, videos, sounds, recordings and metal samples were submitted by him as evidence of his contact and most of this evidence has already been reproduced repeatedly and many times. Particularly the photographs and the video recordings. The one part that has not so far been properly explained or reproduced are the famous of infamous metal samples and those metal samples were sent to a scientist in Bellap, I'm sorry IBM labs at a time. His name was Marcel Vogel and he went ahead and did some investigations on it, some analysis using fairly sophisticated equipment and then he found some extraordinary properties that in his own words could not be explained or something that he's never seen before and so on and so forth. At this moment now we have some sort of scientific endorsement of a very very extraordinary claim of having really evidence of intelligence life or contact with intelligent beings from outer space. Now why is this important? So like I said the samples are claimed to be actual physical evidence of contact with intelligent extraterrestrial beings. Right, so and a lot of it's for somebody who believes in those things. If a scientist comes up and says that yes it is, it is true, that's all they need. So it adds to credibility to the case quite significantly. Of course the skeptics at the time they mainly concentrated on questioning the credentials of the scientists and running around on that particular case instead of just going ahead and just let's do a little search of the data that was produced and validates the claim. Right, so that's one thing that to my knowledge has not been properly done in the last 30 years. I mean this work was done in the early 80s by Mr. Vogel and so far, I mean all the information has been there and nobody has really bothered to take a look at it. Now thanks to YouTube now it's pretty easy to find. So that's a good thing and I think the most important thing of all is that a scientist uses his credentials and not just his credentials, his access to fairly sophisticated and expensive equipment to go ahead and perpetrate a deception or deceive the general public with some some extraordinary claims. All right, so here are some of the things he claims we found the scientists Mr. Vogel and I'm not going to spend too much time talking about him. I mean I don't know about his intentions at a time and I'm not going to speculate on that one. All I'm going to do is to concentrate on his actual data and that's all. So if he had some other intentions to do this or if he made a mistake that I don't know and I don't think I'm interested in that. So one of the things he says is that well, I have a sample and it contains an unusually large number of elements of the Pirellic taken. So just think about this for a second, right? I have a sample and I probably have a sample here myself. Right, and I said, guys I know that this has a lot of elements in the Pirellic table. More than I have ever seen in a Pirellic safe thing, right? So what could possibly make him think that, right? So that is that is a question that I ask myself and we're going to go over the data that says that. Now the other claim that he had except for was an extremely rare element called thulium was found and it was found in a way that he suggested that the whole thing this whole thing was put together by unknown means. So I have something in my hand and I say, I don't know how it was put together. I have no idea. It was given to me by somebody and I'm looking at it and I'm using all this equipment and I don't know how this is put together. It's strange to me, right? And he goes on with many other claims. I mean he goes on and on and on with some other stuff that I probably don't have time to cover and it continues on with the same thing like this is so extraordinary. This is so great. Now this is a scientist with 30 patents and he's true he had 30 patents and working for a very well-renowned IBM laboratories with access to old equipment going around and saying that he just cannot explain what he's looking at. Right. So now all this my sources are in our website that you can see over there in the IG website and we ourselves in the IG had some time investigating Billy Meyer and just last year we were challenged by some of the believers saying that we have not covered this metal samples properly, right? Forget about all the photographs and sound recordings. Those are fine. You got us on that one, but not the metal samples. You guys can't figure that one out, right? So well this is the answer to that particular complaint. All right, so let's let's talk a little bit about physics here, right? So the claim is that the alloy sample contains an unusually large number of elements of the periodic table and he shows this graph over there that you can see on your screen on the left side. Now what is this? This is an EDS spectrum and now EDS as is explained down there is a technique used in the scan electron microscopy to determine elemental composition of a sample and the way it works is you have an electron beam and then you shine it on your sample or you send it on your sample and then it produces x-rays and then you analyze the spectrum of those x-rays and that way you can tell what elements you have in your particular sample, right? Now, so he shows this plot. Now this plot as you can see is like it looks like a bell curve right there and it has a lot of points and he says look, look at all the wide range of elements that I have right, right from over there and that is my evidence that there is an unusually large number of elements of the periodic table. Now, just real quick, if you don't understand this very well it doesn't matter because we have reproduced or made some counter examples to this so you can tell that this can be produced by some of the means which is my next slide. So what I did is that I said well I'm going to find a way of producing the same plot using a sample that contains only one element. If I can do that then I just invalidated the claim that this can only be produced by a large number of elements in the periodic table. So now on your left side you have the original spectrum and then on the right side you have a spectrum that I took myself out of a sample ultra pure nickel. So this sample only contains one element and if I produce just about the same spectrum that he did right. So if you don't understand exactly what I'm doing you can understand the logical argument on this one right now the explanation for those who want to know a little bit about physics is that this is a common radiation coming out of samples when you treat them like that and it's called breaking radiation or Brahms traveling. Now some people know about physics around here they've probably heard about the term and it's a continuum radiation produced just by the nuclei when the electrons go around the nuclei but this is that radiation and for some of us who do a lot of EDS analysis we know that that's actually an artifact that is annoying we don't like it. It has to be suppressed because it really takes away the elemental composition of the sample from the spectrum. So in a way this is a way of not noise but it's an artifact and it has no bearing on element analysis right so if you don't know exactly what I just said you can just look at the graph and just make your own decision right so once a single element produces the evidence of many elements so I guess that gets properly explained like that but of course they never say it like that so what he does he goes around and says let me just go down here he goes around and tells everybody oh look look look at this look at all these little peaks these are all elements and look there are so many of them I can I can have the entire periodic table around here right well I can say the same thing right look at all these peaks all the elements in the periodic table but only I know that it's actually coming from from also pure nickel that's how you do it right now the next claim that he made is that the extremely rare thulium was found the element thulium right now thulium for those who know it's a rare earth element down in the periodic table it's true it is rather expensive to get but it's not uncommon it exists and and we've used it for for many many decades at this moment but the best part of it is to say look this is not just thulium it's got some bands missing now on on the slide so you can see this is an actual EDS spectrum of the element thulium and this is the one that he produced as evidence now I'm going to say something real quick this is actually a screenshot from youtube so this is as good as I could get it but but you can see that the computer is actually identifying thulium right over there there is a tm and and this is how the system works you produce your graph and then the computer tells you what it is right so we have for example here silver right and and thulium and some other elements that are not relevant for this talk and that doesn't mean the elements are actually there that only means that this is what the computer thinks is there right so so the computer and sign and indicates thulium right and there are some bands missing now you can see this the actual EDS spectrum of thulium there should be some bands around here which they are not present on this one so vocal goes ahead and thinks well there are no bands over here so this thulium is weird this thulium has been stripped off from the inner electron shells somehow now that's the explanation for this it says this is weird right I've never seen anything like this before the electron shells the inner electron shells have been stripped off completely and this only suggests one thing uh coal fusion ashless coal fusion technology unheard of in this planet I mean nobody has ever done this before this is incredible this is this is strange I mean this definitely suggests advanced technology well for anybody who knows EDS like I do all the time you know that you don't you cannot trust the computer too much that's just the way it is so I went ahead and look at well what is what is this line coming from so I look in the periodic table and say well there may be a different element you're looking at here so here we go so I went ahead and did it myself so I took a piece of aluminum and I just dropped a little silver on it and put it in my system and I got just about the same graph right so the element may not be exactly the very strange hardly synthesized advanced technology thulium but aluminum aluminum right with silver all right it's got a little bit of silver on it right and so the scientific explanation if you like to call it like that is that they both have a thulium and aluminum about strong band at a low energy level which is 1.486 kilo electron volts and thulium is 1.462 and the computer misses that all the time so when somebody has to experience with EDS they say wait a minute it could be something else and this happens all the time and this is our job as a spectroscopy uh spectroscopist to figure it out what other possibilities we have so now we have just about I mean I submit to you two very equal or very very lookalike clocks and I say on one side is a very strangely made thulium and on the other side is aluminum and everything is normal right so um but of course nobody knows about this because what I have to do if I want to perpetrate this deception and I could probably do it right now because I don't know how many people understand EDS analysis and I can tell you oh yes this is this is thulium I got another sample from Maya and yes I confirmed this now the extent of what somebody else can reproduce this that's that's questionable because you probably need access to fairly expensive equipment and not just that you're going to be trained on it and that is something that is not it's not easy to have for regular public so you can see the extent of the deception in this case now just real quick I went ahead and and turned my system a little bit and voila I got thulium myself so you can see the computer now it's telling me that I got thulium out of my aluminum sample just by just by playing with my with my system settings and all that so it's not it's not easy I mean it's very easy for a computer to really mistake elements and I also have thulium with missing bands so I could have made the same claims myself out of something common I'm gonna skip a couple of them right so what do you need to do to perpetrate the scientific deception first find a willing scientist or professional that sounds hard but it may not be that hard right now the one thing that is hard is that that professional must have access to sophisticated scientific equipment so that may not be an easy one and just make the scientists communicate what I call ignorant amazement which is I never seen anything like this before cannot put together myself impossible to make with today's technology et cetera and and then I spend the rest of my time just flashing my scientific credentials to everybody my patents and all that and all I'm gonna do is talk speculation and never discuss the specifics of the data right so some conclusions um we uh the medals have not nothing extraordinary about it and we don't need more samples from Mr. Meyer I think we already know what what's going on here thank you so we have time for a question or two it just seems like maybe the ghost hunters could take a lesson from how to use how to use and calibrate your equipment is kind of an important aspect of science right that's right you calibrated on your own favor so that he shows what you want so we do that all the time in science any questions about x-ray fluorescence analysis okay well thank you