 Okay, welcome. Welcome everyone. It's so great to be back in Sydney. We're loving it. Today is Koojee Bay, Koojee Beach and yeah, walking around the streets of Sydney, cafes, going to the cinema, checking out Doctor Strange again. Yeah, it's been just a beautiful day. I guess you were over driving through the streets of Sydney in a bus taking care of practicalities. And then coming back to the same block I used to live in this very building. How many years ago? Seven years ago. Two thousand and seven. Nine years ago. Nine years ago. That's nice too. Can you hear Francis and I okay? You hear Francis? Okay, that's good. Hello there. We're so grateful that you all came and always are. Our topic is our life. We just are living a very happy, joyful, gleeful life of forgiveness, of practical forgiveness. Of living in purpose and letting the purpose guide and bringing forth lots and lots of miracles, daily miracles that are part of gliding along with spirit. And living above the battleground, living beyond the struggles and temptations of the ego that always is trying to ensnare our mind into conflict and challenge and struggle. And that is what a death wish does. A death wish tries to serve things up and keep your mind mixed. And a death wish in the mind is just there to present a temptation to serve two masters. And most people are familiar. I see the book of Mystical Teachings of Jesus down there. And Jesus said two thousand years ago that you cannot serve two masters. And you could say that you cannot serve both love, which is who you are, and fear, which is fiction. It's make-believe. It's an artificial intelligence, if you could even use the word intelligence. Fear doesn't really have any intelligence, but it's definitely artificial. And it's an artificial emotion, even though it seems very, very real in all of its derivatives in this world. It doesn't have an actual basis in reality. And so as the Beatles sang All You Need is Love, that was very profound. I think they were sages in many ways, or at least channeling some very amazing teachings. And our focus is always not so much on things of the world, because I know there's a lot of events happening now. There's been a lot of stir and buzz around things like the United States election, and there's a lot of emotions being stirred up and topics that are springing off of that in many ways. But we don't really gear our gathering so much to current events or worldly affairs as the day-to-day workings of the mind, living in such a way that you're living in clarity and purpose. And it's such a good habit, your miracle-minded, that that miracle-mindedness carries you through every day and every experience that you have lifts your minds and lifts it up. Come on in. We need a place for gentlemen to sit down. Do we have any chairs left, or we could shuffle? Yeah, you could maybe sit down. Yeah, that's beautiful. Thank you, thank you. Excuse me. Oh, there's a chair here. So I'll just sit on it for a second. So that's what we are really here to talk about is practical spirituality is living it day by day, and they're very interactive sessions that we have based on questions and concerns and issues and whatever is going on on a daily basis. Our door is open. We did say that if it started to fill up, we also have some room out there on the patio. There's a cushion. There's two more behind me as well. There's not a two coming. There's not a two coming. That was hard. Do we want to open up the patio out there, or is it too difficult to hear, probably? Just to adjust. Okay. Okay, very good. So yeah, it's been great. Yeah, so I think that's the key. You know, sometimes even in our lives when we started to get stirred up and darkness started our rise, that's where we started to remember to call on the spirit or to call on help, or how do we forgive in this particular situation. And I guess the message that we really want to bring is that, you know, we want to form a habit that is so solid that it's actually changed the direction of our daily thinking from problem-focused thinking, from this habit of judging and attacking and categorization, you know, looking at situations to a direction of thinking of a miracle-minded thinking, always seeking the answer instead of focusing on the problem. Like Sanjeev actually said, we just finished a retreat in Maji, a seven-day retreat. He actually said that David, when David walked into his life half a year ago, he started to see the difference of spirituality and a spirit-like life, because that is the message, you know, we want to start to give our life, give our decisions and give our mind to be directed by the spirit and form such a good habit that no amount of worldly events and perception feels different to any other. You know, it becomes an ongoing reminder of whether I want to be right about the perception or judgment or I want to be happy. You know, that is the habit that we're here just to share with everyone, that is possible. And the point of a Course in Miracles, and really the point of all spirituality, is to not try to bring spirit into your human perception of the world, but to always bring your human perception of the world and its thoughts and beliefs to the light with an attitude of, show me, take me higher, reveal to me, show me the way. Because when we try to bring God into the world or we try to bring God into our perception of the world, it always is going to be difficult because you can't bring the truth into illusion and you can't bring light into darkness. Even though there have been times when we were taught about bringing the kingdom to heaven to earth, and that sounds good, it sounds helpful, but really the only way that you can experience the kingdom of heaven is by actually giving up all thoughts and beliefs and perceptions that you have about this world. So, when I say a life that's inspired and given over, the issue with people practicing a Course in Miracles is this deeply ingrained attempt to use everything, books, teachings, relationships and everything to make a better self, to have a better life in this world. And there comes a point in working with any authentic spirituality including a Course in Miracles where you start to realize that you've got to go much deeper than trying to improve the human condition. As much as that can seem like a very high goal, and we've certainly tried for many generations, we've tried it with education, we've had many decades of educational reforms and yet we have pretty much the same problems on planet earth that we had before those educational reforms. Even though we've practiced, there's been many spiritualities that have been practiced for many years, the same conflicts keep repeating over and over like Groundhog Day, they keep looping around. And it's almost to the point where humans can start to get a little depressed because it doesn't seem like we're making much of a dent. I even have people as I go around the world and they ask me, do you think the world's getting better or is it getting worse? They're not even sure with the life conditions of this world and watching everything that's occurring, including the election that just happened and everything where in different countries building up armaments and moving tanks to the borders and taking over aspects of countries or land. The same issues that have been going on for thousands of years are still with us and it doesn't seem to be making a dent in it and it's because the world is a perception and the only way we can change our perception of the world is from the inside out. We have to have a purification of our hearts like Jesus thought, blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God. It was a purification from within that's required. For many people that seems daunting, like a daunting test because anybody who's even attempted behavior modification who's had an addiction to drinking alcohol or drugs or various patterns, they know that that behavior modification doesn't come easy. And changing the thinking that's underneath the behaviors seems to be even more difficult because it seems to be more deeply rooted like there's some very, very deep roots underneath those thoughts. There's belief roots that go way down, very deep. There's an unworthiness feeling, a darkness that's down there and you might say all of the human condition seems to be an attempt to overcome deep-seated feelings of worthlessness and helplessness. How deep-seated are we talking? Well, what's the number one killer in the world? It's suicide. Yeah, suicide is the number one cause of death on this planet. So there's the deep depression and there's some very deep psychological darkness that's underneath and now we have a teaching like Course in Miracles that is saying, well, yeah, you have to go through the darkness to the light. You have to allow that repressed, suppressed darkness to come up into awareness. Why does that seem so difficult? Because when you begin to do that your life can seem to be so dysfunctional and you can seem to seem so out of whack and there's concerns that you won't be able to function and survive as a human being because you're opening a psychological can of worms and many people who over the years, even the saints and mystics like Saint John of the Cross who wrote The Dark Knight of the Soul opened that lid and then went, oops, and their whole lifetime was gnashing of teeth and they wrote about it. They called it The Dark Knight of the Soul, but this Dark Knight of the Soul went on for more than a couple of weeks or months. They had opened up a can of worms that was years of suffering and for most human beings it's like, no thank you, if that's the case, not in this lifetime. I think I'll go back to the old standby, eat, drink and be merry for one day we shall die. That seems better than intense emotional pain that seems to have no end. It's like turning on the waterworks and having your waterworks turn into Niagara Falls or Iguazu and whoa, that's a little bit of an overwhelm. So what we are here for to share is that journey where about 30 years ago of course the miracles came into my life and basically I was not scared of it. I was actually lit up by it and it felt like an answer to all my prayers every time I opened the book and it continued to be that way and it took me in deeper and deeper and there were times when I felt like I was holding on to Jesus and going down the rabbit hole like Alice went through and I just was like, oh my God, I can't, I'm breaking up, I can't go any deeper like I'm holding on to his cape. It's like Neo or Superman going down through the rabbit hole of the mine and it was like whoa, that's very intense but I did hold on to that cape and because I asked for that I had said early on that there was something fishing about this world and I wanted to know what was beyond this world and I was taken into revelatory experiences where the world disappeared three different times and ultimately taken on a journey where I thought Jesus has said in the Course, this Course will be believed entirely or not at all and that didn't scare me either because I basically said well okay then not at all is not an option. I'm not going to do all this for a not at all at the end. It has to be for believed entirely. It's something that is so direct, it's like sometimes I say it's like it's like getting your whiskey or your vodka direct instead of on the rocks. No ice, not diluted, it's just super, super direct and so for those that hang with it, they obviously have got something in their soul that's saying this is a wake-up lifetime and for people who I work with and I live with and everything that is a common feeling of that this is it. However you want to construct whatever this is it means like this is I will make the full attempt. I will give everything I've got because this is the most important thing. Peace of mind, eternal peace of mind is more important than anything else that glimmers in the world. Trinkets from the world, eternal life. Trinkets, eternal life and then after a while eternal life, eternal life. It's still a bit of double vision. If you've been at this for millennium it's not that you rise up and you go oh eternal life. Jesus says those who have been prisoners in the darkness do not spring up from their chains and even their eyes they've been sleeping and dreaming for a long, long time. Even their eyes as they begin to know his purpose and know God's will even their eyes are still closed, eyelids are still closed but a smile has come on their sleeping faces. He's still got the rim going, still watching the world watching the world but a smile has come on their sleeping faces in the workbook he says their forehead is serene. He's giving indicators, still using body symbols that there's glee and joy and happiness and stability coming even though they're still sleeping. They're coming into a happy dream after many, many dark dreams and you don't wake up without a happy dream. You don't transition to eternity without a happy dream first. That makes sense. If you are going from nightmares you come into happy dreams non-judgment and then you awaken from the dream of this world. So that's what we're here for. We're here to share of our lives and share of our daily miracles and guidance and I remember too this coming to mind one time I had a friend of mine, Lisa and she said she kept saying I want to take a trip with you I want to take a trip with you and so I said okay I'll meet you at the Philadelphia airport on such and such a day and we'll fly to Arizona and I said is there anything else you want other than this trip and she said I would like to have a meal with you before we fly and I said okay that's a trip and a meal and we ended up having a glorious trip even though we got to the airport the flight crew didn't show up, the flight we were supposed to take was canceled they gave us vouchers for free meal together they put us on a different airplane to fly us to Phoenix and I think it was Phoenix and then we basically said are you really set on it and I said no I could fly to another city I'm going to Arizona, you can do that, go on to a different city and it went on on a miraculous series of events where I didn't really have any parameters on how it was supposed to go except that we would be flying together to Arizona and having a meal and we had so much fun we kept getting upgrades and honeyman's sweet and all kinds of things free meals and everything thrown in as we were just like children playing with Jesus and flowing in the joy of the moment and ultimately even though there still may be some things like us arranging this gathering your life becomes an open slate you basically are saying to the spirit let's have some fun let's extend the joy, let's extend the love and light and then you receive the guidance of the instructions and everything you receive all the props and everything to make it happy expression of love and light without having all these expectations without having your whole life planned out without having everything set your day is not all planned out like one of these planners where you've got to be here here at 9.30 and so on and so forth it's much more of a spontaneous flow in which you are happily greeting what comes your way whatever it is without judgment so that's the key to the happiness is not having all these rigid set expectations that are based on a false self-concept that God didn't create yeah because I think the thing is for all of us who already started Across the Miracles we know it is in a way an escape patch whatever pain, suffering and anything I think I started the course with a very particular hope or wish that this can help me to see through the physical illness and heal it because I was basically battling with the fear of my father dying at the time and there was physical symptoms of my own body and then when I flipped through this book and I saw the lesson and the sentence that caught my eye was something to the extent that you know if you don't see the purpose of the illness it will not be there anymore and that was so complete for me it's not like you can heal this symptom through this diet but there is still a possibility of sickness this book just something that passed through was so direct and so ultimate for me to see even one sentence like that about a problem that I had at the moment but with that openness to get into this book what really happened was a journey that the Spirit was basically saying you have no clue what causes any problem or suffering in your life you have no clue what you want actually and I'm going to show you something that's so beyond your horizon and so beyond your thinking of what are the problems and what are the solutions and we're going on this journey that's going to transcend everything everything as you know it so it was such an amazing journey that was not able to be done by the logical thinking mind by the mind that was used to learn through book study and talk about concepts so this is such a journey of completely transcend everything that even when we're reading the book what we think we're reading, what we think we understand so when we started to really allow our lives to be a life of this journey then everything started to unfold in a way as the Spirit want us to know you know there is so much that's going to be unfolding for us as a result of the expansion of our mind our awareness with his guidance so this is the bigger context of what is really happening we're not really here to talk about solving a specific issue or solving about a specific problem handling this or handling that what we're saying is the Spirit is really wanting to give us everything absolutely everything and it's a very practical path this is a very very practical path what is happening is that we have to give our life over to allow the Spirit to guide us so that our lives can be used to unfold in a way that we can be convinced and of course along this journey as we're embracing the Spirit as we're embracing the purpose of forgiveness then what David was just talking about this spontaneity and the flow and the joy which has come miracles becomes a daily experience but this experience is not something we can direct with our logical thinking mind these are natural byproducts when we started to say yes to the Spirit we say okay you have a plan for me to unfold and let my life be used for this purpose of opening my mind up it's not for purpose of anything for this body to be achieving anything but let my life be used to open my mind up to be on a journey with you and this is what is unfolding for us on a daily basis just like a wonder child watching how the Spirit is helping us to open our mind up one thing that Francis told me was that she she said that deep inside in her heart she had this thought she enjoyed travel she enjoyed going to around the world and seeing wonderful places, meeting wonderful people staying at wonderful places and so on and so forth and this isn't that uncommon for a lot of people she had this in her heart she thought this is the kind of life that I want and there was a formula in there for doing it and most everybody can agree that you can have this kind of idea but you also have ideas of the means and she felt she would work hard and she would climb the ladder of success at her business and then she would own her own business and then she would be so successful at owning or running her own business that you can set your own hours and if you're really successful then you develop a nest egg which of course if you talked about people and the ways of the world this is a common thing this isn't just one or two people that have this in mind she would develop it to such a sense she would retire who really went well retire early isn't this how the formula goes that's part of the upward mobility and the drive to success because you go well this goes even better then your own business set your own hours, retire early and then you've got what the means to travel around the world really exciting people stay at exciting places and do all the things and so that was her plan Jesus had a different plan he said yeah I can get you all that and we don't need the nest egg part we don't need all the use of hard work and we don't need the business ding ding ding hitting that we don't need those aspects to give you all of that without all those years or decades of the striving and struggling which pokes a hole in the whole formula it's almost like saying you are entitled to a joyful life but as far as determining the means you have to leave that to me and it was very similar to what I was hearing because I so opened my heart up that the Course in Miracles came to me when the body of David seemed to be in its late 20s and so by my late 20s I had tapped into my connection with Jesus and it was growing so rapid and so strong that it was quickly taking over my life it was the guiding force instead of Pinocchio had Jiminy Cricket as the consciousness I had Jesus Christ as my little voice almost like a little bird on the shoulder and it's chirping in your ear with specific things not just I love you I love you always even until the end of time but turn left call so and so you can leave that behind I said leave it behind you forgot your keys not just I love you I love you I love you but it's really good good practical advice and so at that point I have to say that it was going so well there in my late 20s that and he had spoken to me about he said you will not have you will not have a career in this lifetime and I was just like what you know especially when you're 20s you know that's your parents aren't telling you that for sure and your colleagues and your people at university why are they at university getting all the degrees for the career you know that was kind of a whoa and he said and I will guide you I still had you know student loans to pay off I still had wound myself in a bit to the ego's world but he was rapidly unwinding me from that you know by the late 20s I actually started to consider earlier retirement and I had no savings that's not the formula you are loony tunes if you are considering early retirement you haven't done cross all your t's started all your eyes and had all that in place your parents would tell you this is downright crazy change your mind or get locked up or fall through the cracks and learn the hard way but actually with that strong connection with Jesus I was feeling like here we go whoa because he was already saying to me during those years like after he guided me through a series of work experiences to knock the chip of pride off the shoulder to knock the pride out of me in a pretty rapid way when that started to happen and when the student loans started to get paid off and everything then I started to hear now your mind was like and I will use you in ways that you can't even imagine so don't even ask me about the future don't ask for a five year plan or a two year plan or a two month plan I will use you completely day by day in a way that will bless the entire universe and it will be a lifetime for the entire universe for the whole cosmos actually as his lifetime had been and so that's why I had to rapidly consider early retirement but I wasn't so much retiring from the world of images because my eyes I started to get some smiles on my sleeping face with all the miracles that were happening but the eyes weren't open I was still perceiving a world I was perceiving men and women and trees and mountains I was still seeing a world I had a few revelatory experiences but the whole world disappeared the universe had disappeared a few times for me going into deep meditation and going into the light I went right into the light and the whole world was gone so I knew that the world was available but Jesus was like yeah and there's a lot to come so don't think I was thinking after I got the course I would just go point me in the mountain you want me to go to and I will ascend and it's like I had a course of angels all laughing he thinks he's at the end the angels were all laughing you're at the beginning you think you're at the end but you're not but I was getting happier rapidly and an interesting happiness not like happiness because of a job promotion or an event in the world who won the election that was not the kind of happy it was coming bubbling from inside but it was from a purpose and so I did have to make a decision to give it all over almost like a conversion experience like okay I will put you in charge I do trust you I will let go of my fears of the future and my concerns that I'll be a bag lady crowning for something in the streets or you know homeless those were very strong thoughts in your 20s when you're considering such a drastic leap I can't say that they weren't there they came like heavy clouds a lot like are you crazy and I of course I expressed it to Jesus I would say money doesn't grow on trees Jesus I can't just go out and scoop up a bunch of bills off a tree in the backyard he'd say yeah I know you believe that that's how he would answer me money doesn't grow on trees I would say but I will provide for you if you will do my work and of course I was raised Christian there were little leaves in the field they neither spin nor toil there was plenty of verses from the Bible where he was pointing out divine providence and it was a little shocking that he was talking divine providence to me because I thought of divine providence oh yeah that's the stuff of the apostles yeah yeah I've heard about divine providence Mother Teresa yeah David what wait it's like we always had difficulty transferring things to accept it for our own mind you know it's always great to see the avatars and the saints but to accept that the same divine providence that's existed all along really for all human beings they can fool themselves into thinking they're sustaining themselves through work and jobs and careers but that's a trick that's just a mesmerism of thinking that we are in charge of our own destinies and of course in this day and age we have a lot of examples where people work sometimes for decades for a company and then their pension disappears a friend of mine her father his entire pension was stolen by something and those kind of things are pretty common in this day and age where you have no guarantees there's a lot of examples of pensions and companies just going to put for me I really had to have that trust to go for it and I would say that with Francis that was the same way that she started to have those strong feelings and then after we met I guess we met was it here in Sydney and then you came up to Nusa and then down to Kangaroo Valley and then she started coming around to all my gatherings where they were here in Australia or other place and we do seem to have some groupies actually in the house today it's not, this isn't a new phenomena phenomena she's following us from what is it, Melbourne Belgium to Sydney what's next are you going next no but Francis did that she followed me around Australia like really she headed me around and then all of a sudden it was actually Utah, Sweden Asia, Spain there was just a bunch of them in there but that was after you had this kind of deep kind of conversion experience and she had loud voices a lot of experiences with voices speaking to her and confirmations and things even when we were down in Kangaroo Valley where she said I want a one on one we were having a one on one and I was speaking to her and I just looked into her eyes and she was hearing this inner voice was talking about me while I was talking to her but that's how Jesus works it takes major confirmations for us to take such major leaps for that time when you knew that you were to stay in Australia until something big would happen and then it was a very loud voice it was a loud voice basically because I had the question in my mind what was the purpose of me being here living here whether I should consider some opportunities or receives for work and the voice just fill up the sky saying stay and you have a very big thing that's going to happen for you and I it was so natural it was the most natural experience that I never questioned or thinking that was anything strange to me and I actually looked up to the sky said okay because the voice was so loud and was so affirmative and only after five years from that place, from that day I actually moved out of Australia went to the United States and I realized that was the big thing that I was waiting for then I started to talk about the story that was a weird experience how do I talk to people but never a day in that five years while I heard it and I was waiting and I was waiting for that day to happen I had any feeling that was a weird experience it was actually the most natural experience that happened to me someone tell me very authoritative but very gentle and clear and loud that weight and there is a big big thing, big plan for you for folding and I have to say as well for David for David, you know he seemed to to have all these years with Jesus in his mind such a strong connection and clear guidance that comes through him that guided him to have this transformation on his own for quite some time but for me I felt like I took a much easier way because I felt like Jesus sent me so many mighty companions from the moment that I heard that voice and he basically didn't say you need to do anything, he just said wait so I just waited and I didn't really you know it's not very hard to wait here in Australia just like okay I couldn't leave, I didn't want to leave I'm here and I waited for it to happen but there was many many events happened including the course came to my life after that but I every step along the way I remember that instruction and I check in, is this the thing you asked me to wait for and I was no, no, no, no till that moment when David came to my life and when I made the decision this is what I want and I'm going to take off that's what the word that I actually said, I want to fly with you metaphorically and physically like literally, like I want my life to start to take off truly from this moment not just survival not just managing living in pain and you know suffering or problems or relationships marriage and any of that I want to take off from this moment and that was when the guidance started to really become crystal clear to me that go and leave and when I made my decision I checked with this feeling it became a habit for the five years I check in every time when something happens is this what I'm waiting for and then after five years finally I got yes the time here is maximized now move come on in there is a destiny everyone comes on the perfect time everyone who is to be here is here, everyone who is not to be here is not here nobody else is coming down we'll find out we'll find out there's a thing that human beings ponder a lot of times is destiny I remember I was in academia university for ten years and I did dip through conservatory of music and design art and architecture and engineering and I went through all the things and I went through philosophy too and when I was in philosophy I noticed there was this long running debate over many centuries of free will versus determinism how much of this life is destined to coming through a door at a particular time and how much of it is it at all random is there any kind of evolved and so that's a major philosophical question free will versus determinism and Jesus actually addresses that he says in the course of miracles and clarification of terms he says you have free will in heaven you have free will in eternity so we weren't created with free will we got that one right our will is to be perfectly happy forever that was God's gift that creates you as happiness and you will remain happy forever and ever and ever and ever amen that's free will free will doesn't have anything to do with choice that was the issue philosophy gets stuck on free will versus determinism it's basically they're stuck on choice versus determinism and that speaking of elections voting those are great topics and choice human beings pride themselves on choice human beings would get a little bit nervous if there was a voice that said you really don't have any choice that's not what it is to be a human being I have rights abilities and choice is one of them the ego Jesus says guards its choice mechanism very tightly and actually the destiny the determinism the script is written is all the way it is everything in time of space down to every little nuance and breath is part of a prearranged plan is over and done and Jesus says you are just reliving it as if it's still happening but it's actually over and gone and beyond over and gone it actually never was but he's giving us a few bones to chew on there and so it's like whoa is that different from the human awareness that this world is the past that's lesson number seven from the workbook I see only the past I perceive only the past you're perceiving with the five senses a world that's over and gone you're perceiving a little gap where you still believe there's separation and that gap has already been healed the love and the light have flowed over that gap long ago he even says this world was over long ago so it's like a groundhog day and we're reliving an ancient moment of the belief in separation when it's actually healed and gone now that means we can really rest and get into our purpose because the only way we'll have that experience is through our purpose we're not going to achieve it through physical means we're not going to achieve it through doings or attainments even sometimes seeing is some kind of attainment but some of you have read Byron Katie loving what is what is is spirit is love we need to come into a recognition and acceptance of that love it's not a matter of doing something to get out of this world but it's more of letting ourselves be done through and Jesus says you cannot wake yourself but you can allow yourself to be awakened that surrender that allowance we all know in our hearts that's the way we have to kind of we have to get our hands off the steering wheel and we have to get into the passenger seat and we have to let the spirit take the wheel because the song carry under Jesus take the wheel or two of our friends down here know Greg O's song you drive Holy spirit you drive our ride you drive our ride you know it's the passenger it's being taken on a journey by the spirit who knows the way to unwind to transcend to lift us love lift us up where we belong all of our songs are hitting us I mean all these poets and songs we're being serenaded by eternity and we do get plenty of glimmers of that we get those glimmers of joy we get those heart resonance feelings like yeah here we go okay I'm coming get me into tractor beam and beam me up you know that's what we want so but this thing of choice is very important because we have to surrender our egoic choices and our egoic beliefs in the value of choice because the ego made up choice in heaven is just pure oneness and nirvana is just pure oneness there is no there's not two and if you don't have two you don't have choice so you can see where this is going it's going back to choiceless awareness we're going back into bliss going back into izzness I like that word izzness what do you believe in I believe in izzness or kenny larkin I believe in love I do we have to come back into that izzness and the only way we do that is we actually have to surrender over our choice mechanism and that the prayer of our heart becomes Holy Spirit decide for God for me you've got to guide my daily choices you've got to guide me out of the maze if I'm in a maze I need to be guided out if I'm in a labyrinth I need to find the exit I need help if I'm circumscribed by false police that tell me I'm a human being and I'm a coordinate point in time and space which is the farthest thing from the truth but if I believe that's my reality I'm going to need help to become aware that I'm formless that I'm actually everywhere that I actually had no limits that I was created without limits that I'm not some little tiny bit of consciousness that occupies a little point in the cosmos of time and space I'm actually much more than that but I need an actual experience of that so our experience has been in that joining we have been used in that greater purpose and we have had a sense that there is a greater destiny and that this destiny is far beyond human aspirations or human conception or human imagination it goes way beyond all of that and there's also a feeling that anyway you can completely rest content and happy and joyful is to be completely surrendered over to the divine will which is not a scary thing at all divine will is God's will for you is perfect happiness it's the big deal about surrendering and merging into perfect happiness unless you believe in guilt unless you believe you're unworthy unless you believe in sin unless you believe in error so those things would be something blocking you just sharing from what you just said complete surrender to the Holy Spirit and example is right now today with me as you know today was the fan was supposed to be here with me but instead of that it's a miracle that my friend who I call my friend now my son is here with me but that's a miracle to me I wouldn't have even till one o'clock I had no such plan that he's gonna be here with me listening to you now the total surrender to spirit in my way practically is that I could see since this morning that fans energy was not there to go this evening no no no and I was listening to my spirit and my spirit was saying go you go and you know about 130 years so I got an SMS from him he wanted to catch up with me for dinner and I said well I'm going to Kooji anyway I can catch you in the city we can have a dinner and then then I said I'm going to David he said well I'm not doing anything I'll come along with you there that is absolutely a practical example in my life of living my spirit and what's going to happen now if I had listened to my ego choice I would have probably said no I'm not going to I'm not going to also who's going to drive on myself for 40 minutes and then look for parking for half an hour he goes he stops driving he was able to hold the car there for five minutes that teamwork very good a lot of teamwork there and beautiful divine joining and isn't the destiny idea now here we keep meeting I came here I stayed at your house I got to meet your son and your wife and then we met again up in this little farm town up there on the other side of the blue mountains so it's beautiful there's a destiny we keep meeting happily and I said he moved out you want a ship? since you moved out what for? I moved out again I don't think much was lost I had to I was blinding you independence, freedom parents and I plugged me that was a big leap yeah it was a big leap it always is a big leap for all of us the best thing from that was I was working in a frontline role but now I'm working in a better role I guess that independence gave me more drive in life to make myself more valuable to a modern place and therefore I got a promotion that's one sort of step up I guess yeah and feeling more and more like you can be intuitive and trust that intuitive self glorious things come from being intuitive meeting your mom and dad was a beautiful time I remember coming to Sydney and doing a gathering over there at their house and then having such a good time I don't think you were studying the course but you had all kinds of interest in non-duality I said oh thank you Jesus I just did such a delightful man I could talk to him for weeks and months and just had so much fun in fact after I left the house I would go on and I always share with people when I have I said oh that was so much fun there and mentioned that and then coming back it was actually Francis because we had you know we were coming off of a world tour in China and Japan and then going down to Melbourne and then we had Mudgy Plain and then Francis said well I too want to go stay Beagat's house and my apartment and I have to handle some things with my passport and with my visa and so I said oh that would be fun to have a gathering in Sydney and then you and Pam flashed and Robert came to mind when I was joining with Mel and so it all just kind of flashes out it just felt like yeah that feels good and it all just kind of flashes in but it's very quantum it's everything in our world everything we experience is there not at random but it's all a reflection and the thing is it's so joyful and it's fun you just go down the road and it's always something joyful given to you by the spirit initially it may appear oh yeah but if you just push yourself a bit you know an ocean of bliss waiting for you it's like that yeah life becomes to me it's like life becomes a happy song I just have a happy tune it's just always going on and you're in a building with elevator music I've got Jesus it's like DJ he just for like 25 30 years now DJing in my mind and that story you were sharing yesterday or the day before in America we had the time collapse same thing happened to me when I go from home normally in the evening as you know Friday evening would take easily 50 minutes to go to Sydney 30 minutes and I would wait for him to join and we first restaurant once we got out of 5 and right opposite the parking starts at 6 o'clock and at my what? 6 so how spirit arranges all that one thing you just have to believe in me guys if you just leave it like that life becomes this joy it just happens it's arranged joyful adventure yeah I love to sing now Jesus we sang in the sunshine we laughed every day we sang in the sunshine then I was on my way that's it that's that feeling that's the kind of song he's DJing in my mind all day long he's got a great repertoire of songs always it's just always song song song off today we were off with Robert off to Koojee Beach walking down the street and all the cafes and all the shops and ooh we just ooh we love this vibe ooh I love this street I've never been on that main street going down down down down to the beach and the walk down there and the cafes and the drop it's just very very very joyful that's all really we're meant to have is gratitude singing praise to our creator singing like the birds sing every time I come to Australia you know how the birds are done they sing and they squeak and they walk and they laugh and they do all kinds of things it's very expressive to me that's the joy of God you have that with the birds all around I mean I've been on trips along the coast one time I was up the Sunshine Coast and we pulled over and we were just having a chat and a big flock of birds came into the trees and they were so happy and so loud that we were we could not we could not have a conversation and I loved it I was like loud happy birds so loud and so happy that I can't even speak I will cease to speak I will cease to try to speak because I was appreciating the energy of all these very loud birds you know we don't get that I haven't had the pleasure of that in my travels and other parts of the world you come to appreciate everything as all things are echoes of the voice for God that full appreciation love cannot be far behind a grateful heart a grateful mind a grateful heart and a thankful mind I think it's all the same to me but it's really that appreciation you know just to feel that and to let your life be guided you know that's why we connect with Source you know I was saying the other day that Einstein was such an amazing mind and Einstein was kind of pretty rare you know to find a genius scientist who believes in God that's kind of cool he had this very strong faith in God and yet he was top of the you know he was way seemingly beyond all the scientists of his time or even of the modern times he was just so and yet scientist scientific mind and huge faith in God and even for Einstein though he was opening opening opening because his life went along Max Planck and a lot of they started discovering more and more about quantum physics what we would call them quantum physics and what they discovered was nowadays they call it entanglement but they just discovered that a particle here in time and space and a particle over there they seem to be connected even though huge huge distances of time and space were between these particles the particles were doing the same thing what's the term? spooky action at a distance spooky action at a distance it was spooky to Einstein that there was that much connectivity in such broad time and space but Jesus would probably just laugh and go no it's not spooky at all it's just it's just what is it's just everything is connected everything is way way way way more connected than humans are aware of the butterfly effect some people have heard and read about the butterfly effect how that's connected I love seeing that in different movies and things that come out so in terms of your own life do you have any questions or curiosities or any kind of topics or issues or anything questions about guidance what if you don't hear the voices in your head or if you don't hear the voices in your head how do you follow guidance without the voice well I know for me it started off with feeling I had to out of touch with my feelings and Jesus was like here's where we start to become much more in touch with what I was feeling because I I don't know I just got so repressed and so out of touch with feelings that my life felt very boring and robotic and mechanistic like a lot of people feel and that's where it started for me well I guess guidance is such I can't even say emphasise it's how we live it's everything for us to be living a life of guidance and I guess for me it's not an end as it is a means for me it becomes something that I would desire so much and I notice the difference of wanting to achieve that end result and sometimes I can forget how important it is even just to get into that direction in everything that I do to have a direction of wanting to ask for guidance in the first place whether I believe I can hear it or not at the beginning it feels like to me what I notice was the most important thing the desire of hearing it and the desire of hearing it would manifest it or reflected by my actually asking or not in that I can see how strong the desire is actually is if I desire it so much and I really put that into practice and I ask I notice it's always there the guidance is becoming more and more clear doesn't really has to come as an audible voice actually can be quite rare so the suggestion is not to really put too much emphasis on one particular way that the spirit can speak with you the spirit is saying you know if you want I speak with you in every way you can get your attention to so I will catch your attention through anything you're a friend you really trust that you can relax like a bumper sticker or exactly you know a music that suddenly started to tune into in the restaurant I will talk to you as long as you started to remember to ask me and I notice that is a huge turnaround for me actually is this desire and put that into practice then the feeling and the confidence started to build up I really can't hear he is speaking to me all throughout the day through all kinds of means I don't know if I've ever talked about this but I'm hearing now that one of the most helpful ways is to start to honestly take a look at the purpose and the motivation of why I don't want to hear guidance go into that a bit like the fears around guidance because Jesus says things in the course in the workbook like it is possible to listen to the voice for God all throughout the day without interrupting your regular activities in any way so he's making it plain clear that it's not because your body is too busy or in a difficult location or whatever you know it's actually quite easy to do that but there are interferences and so for me that's why when people say to me things like I've studied the course for years I know it's all an illusion but you'd rather flip it around and say I believe it's all real and I'm willing to be shown don't say I know it's all an illusion but we've talked a lot about metaphysical ghosting and oh gosh course groups all over the world you know somebody starts to have an emotion in the group it's an illusion honey you know and then people dare not say what they're feeling because they've been told get back to the book it's an illusion you know this is metaphysical ghosting this is misuse of metaphysics Jesus had a three year public ministry and never in the bible in the red words did Jesus come to planet earth and say that this world was an illusion anywhere in any of the gospels and he went around demonstrating things that were quite beyond this world peeling the sick raising the dead and all manner of miracles all manner of friendliness all manner of love but it's not going around doing what many course of miracles did do it's calling their parents up their relatives their neighbor they've got to tell Jesus didn't do that why if Jesus didn't do it what makes you think we've got you to do it it's demonstrated by your attitude by your happiness by your joy by your love by your not taking things in the world so seriously by being light hearted and having a happy skip to your step that's the way but actually when you start to take a look at where in my mind am I afraid of hearing guidance with the children like thank you very much Jesus you can handle my life stay away from my baby stay away from my husband stay away from my wife I can handle the relationship stuff or the flip side I can't handle relationships up but I can handle the finances you stay out of my bank account don't go there I don't even want to think about you being in charge of my bank account or in certain cultures or in some structures so strong like here you can lead me, guide me in my vocation and guide me in this mess don't you mess with my family don't you mess with my family people will go around with early lessons of the course nothing I see means anything they go around, they get to the family photo they skip right over that they go on to the next thing you find yourself doing it when your eyes move quickly you go over the family photo to the rug or something else the floor, that floor does not mean anything you've got to pay attention to what you're skipping over because that lets you know where you're afraid to hear the guidance think of that in terms of relationship you know it's like do you really want the Holy Spirit and Jesus inside of your, in terms of your relationship because what the Bible said was let your yay be yay and let your nay be nay are you prepared to do that with your significant other to always let your yes be a solid yes and always let your no be a solid no with no quivering, no wavering even in the face of a look a glance a what did you say I don't think I heard you clearly there you know you have to come into a confidence with the Holy Spirit so your yes can be yes and your no can be no but we know from Jim Carrey's movie Yes Man that yes won't get you there you tried that we've all gone that round where we tried yes, yes, yes, yes and wham we get slammed we get body slammed from all those yeses we have to have just as much confidence in the Spirit's no and we need to say no when we need to say no and yes so if you really or start to be honest and I think this is a fast way to tune into guidance even if you're not hearing or feeling anything if you start to look at where am I afraid to hear divine guidance I mean I've even people are afraid of divine guidance but they're afraid of apparitions Robert was telling us of the Mother Mary apparition there's an apparition of the Madonna after the Bali bombings it was about 2000 2005 and the Madonna appeared along the boardwalks up there in Kuji and that's where the Bali bombing there was a whole group of people that had gone to Bali and they were killed by Australians a lot of them came from the Kuji area and then shortly after that there was all this kind of kerfuffle of them and Mary was appearing on the boardwalks up there and I was doing an attention to the sitting morning here all the time and they sent me to do a story and interview all the Christians who had come to see the Madonna I went along and I said to you all people from varying faiths and Mary and I Christians and women in veils and all sorts of people who come with such devotion and faith and of course the newspapers were laughing at it but I went along and I saw that apparition whatever it was I saw what they said and it was just a very faint outline of the Madonna and so it was a really beautiful kind of symbol of devotion love and the healing because of the Bali bombings for Australians which was huge for some it's just because of their faith because of where their minds at and apparition can be such a healing symbol such a comforting symbol and then I'll have people to tell me if Jesus or Mother Mary appeared to me in my bedroom I would shit in my pants I would be terrified if I had apparitions of visions coming because they said it's so out of pattern it would be like that and then what she could start to say is again those are just symbols so if there's any fear that I have in my mind even about Jesus appearing at the end of my bed anything then I have to take a look at I have to go inward and expose that fear it's not going to do me any good to just fear a certain outcome in the world and so that's one of the things that I would say is for years I've just been joining with people very deeply at looking at what frightens you and often times it's loss of control or perceived loss of control or the standard rejection, abandonment the things why wouldn't you let your yes be yes and your no be no in intimate relationships today is there such a lot of game playing that goes on in these very close relationships between parents and children and partners there's a huge amount of game playing we can't project it all on to the politicians there's a lot of deception that goes on there what is it that I'm afraid of and I think that would also lead us into that why am I fearful of this Holy Spirit because it's almost like there's a sense like wow if I was in total full communication with everyone and everything that there's some kind of threat how many movies have been made where you see the main character and they've got something going on here and then they've got something going on in another aspect of life and they don't want those two scenarios to be brought together the entire movie is based on them avoiding those people or those scenarios coming together and at the end of the movie all hell breaks loose when he finds out about her and she finds out and they call that entertainment and they have another great movie based on the formula of hiding and protecting and then certain situation unveiling something that is highly guarded and protected we need to start to be honest and say why would I protect anything from the Holy Spirit's healing light if that's how I'm going to wake up to eternity is by not hiding and protecting anything from the Spirit which areas am I hiding and protecting where is there embarrassment even a mild embarrassment Jesus tells us embarrassment is a form of fear and this need not be in areas where we feel mildly embarrassed those are good inroads to drop down into that guidance so I think to me that's very practical I was in the parable of David David was extremely shy voted most quiet in the senior class a wallflower just I preferred to just blend into the walls and be totally unseen and unheard and then Jesus comes up with what go around the world 40 countries and you know it just he's like no we'll handle that I'll handle that shyness bit and then we'll get on to important business we've got the father's business to attend to so this shyness is not I even read Gandhi's out of biography it helped to read how shy Gandhi was because I was like I admired Gandhi so much but then I'm reading the out of biography and it's like he was a really shy child like David seemed to be he was a shy teenager at one point he was hanging with his friends and his friend took into a brothel and all Gandhi thought was I don't know if I'm supposed to be here just starting to tap into that intuition you know even as a teenager you know like is this really where I'm supposed to be that's the kind of thing we need to do we need to tap into that intuition that's going to carry us all the way back to heaven back to Nirvana so the sooner we can tap into that the better and people talk about being logical and rational and everything well to be intuitive and to be guided by the spirit there's nothing more important than that and also people are concerned about giving up their rationality for all those that value rationality and step by step logic and you hear people sometimes they get out of your head and give up your logic and everything Jesus says that the spirit is completely logical it's basically based on what assumptions you have so the spirit's plan the Holy Spirit's plan is completely logical in waking you up but his premise starts from a completely different premise than the ego the ego's premise is fear and all of its logic flows from fear the Holy Spirit's premise starts with love and all of the Holy Spirit's convincing and logic comes from love so we don't even have to lay aside logic you can follow your heart and be logical how's that? you can forget this left brain, right brain craziness you're not a brain and the brain doesn't even think so don't be so concerned about the left hemisphere and the right hemisphere the mind tells the body what to feel, it tells the body what to think the mind is where it's all at and of course if you like Eckerd you can change some of those I can sit with you for a few hours and re-translate they're teaching the same things but they're using a little bit different terminology but I can tell the difference I know what people are all speaking of and speaking in presence from their heart but they have a little bit different system than Jesus but it's just words the spirit can easily tell you what's going on it's not about semantics semantics are not a block people say wow you and I we don't have the same words we got the same eternal life that's good enough that's what it's all about well I did the other way around what you just said I know what Moody is talking about so I've been brought up studying the spirituality of the Danza way and I picked up a course in medical book earlier this year I did not see any conflict there, that's why I was so easy with it I would read any text any lesson and I was absolutely in line with my Vedanta thinking absolutely, I'm telling you that now because I've read books isn't any, it's just that one says Christ other one says Krishna both start with Krav and Krishna said he was the translator and the word Krishna the word Krav in Sanskrit means the one who scrapes you scrapes is scrapes so it kind of scrapes your mind and purifies your mind that's what the meaning of the word Krav Krav the one who says Krav no problem you could pray the Krav that's why I love about you Osis you make short nicknames for everybody Christ glory be to Krav before we start though Mel has given me the signal that we've got all these great goodies out so we'll start with your thing but the thing is we've got all these brothers putting out all the goodies and we it's probably good to take a little bit of a break potty break chips have some drinks there's water there's all kinds of things okay well welcome back welcome welcome just thought of mentioning about some of the resources we have we've got a whole resource title here there's a lot of different books by David which are just amazing really I think a lot of you might have seen him on YouTube and what have you the books David's never really written a book he likes to say it's been a lot of people that have been really resonating with these teachings that have felt to transcribe the teachings into books and there's so there's a various books there that have been put together and you know some of the latest ones for example quantum forgiveness is bringing together the teachings of Jesus through a course of miracles movies and physics so going to quantum physics movies Jesus pretty amazing sort of conglomeration of information there and one of the latest books we've just produced is Kirsten so Kirsten was with David during the mid-2000s and did all these journals asking the spirit about all this stuff that was coming out for her while she was with David it's an amazing journey of her going through awakening really with David I'm married a mystic it's called so that's a great book so there's plenty of other ones here there's all different things we can join on there's the movie watchers guide to enlightenment which a lot of people like they use movies for the backdrop for awakening you know to be able to watch movies instead of just entertainment to actually use it for our awakening it's really a very useful use of the movie so there's a great guide for that it's also online and on this there's a great little card if you want to pick up one of these from the table it's just got a number of the different websites and mwge.org there's a great website that's the watchers guide to enlightenment so it's online as well as in the book form and there's plenty of other websites there which are great besides David's YouTube channel so we actually have a community we've got communities all around the world with living miracles part of David's communities and there's one in Australia here that a lot of people don't even send to realise we're just about four hours west of here in Mudgee and we just had a retreat there that just finished yesterday a week-long retreat with about 40 people which was an amazing experience which is great people just following us around from the Winter the Melbourne conference then came to Mudgee and then here tonight so that's exactly what I did that's what a lot of us did Francis did insert in Melanie and well that was something useful for me and I'm still here and absolutely loving it so that's the card if you want to see that on the table it's got the website the ACI in Australia and just about Utah a monastery in Utah it's the only A Course in Miracles monastery and this is the Mystery School it's the very first Mystery School we're doing it's a whole month live in 30 day event in May next year so that brochure is on there too if you want to see that in Utah we actually have this mailing list if you want to find out about keep up to date with the newsletters we've got a monthly newsletter that's got some great information and events that are coming up you can just put your name on there with Divine Providence we're all about getting and just working with the Spirit and using any of the funds that come in to be able to come out and actually get these works out and for people to know about them so your donations are very greatly accepted so we've got a little donation box there if you can put that in there if you haven't bought any cash we've got the computer there if you want to log in online so we can do that too so thank you I also want to just mention that Michael and Melanie they are based in Maji and they're very available to come to Sydney whenever there's an invite because we work with invite and we really the community come together as like a support because our purpose is to wake up together to hear the Holy Spirit together to learn how to give over, surrender our daily decisions and daily life so we come together with this one purpose and different communities started to happen because of the calling of the region and things just happened so Australia Centre just came together I think last year so it's been here for a year and Melanie and Mal, they're both from Australia and they felt called to come back here from Utah and they had over this community so if you feel to visit and stay and just to watch and observe how they use their relationships and daily life to practice listening to the Spirit you're very welcome to contact them or just invite them to come down to Sydney for more talks and gatherings and experience that they can share with the locals as well they're married so they're using relationship for all this clearing as well it's very deep and profound and Samuel's going back over to New Zealand so they're open to coming over there to visit they're right up I love all the connections too because we were talking today we were walking down by Kooji each and Robert was opening up and I said Malta and Michael's family heritage is from Malta and he said yeah, my sister and I are actually part inheritors of a big property that's right on the waterfront in Malta with 30 other people and it's been probate for how many years 30 since the 60s but I love all the connections we always keep saying oh, the spirit just makes all these fun connections okay, well you were going to raise something up right before we took a break I started your worksheet to piece is it? instrument for piece it's awesome I've done some Byron Katie work and it actually made Byron Katie's work shed a lot more clearer because I actually found myself aspiring a little bit with her worksheet in the story and I guess it sort of left me with the same a little bit the same conclusion like how deep do you have to go and I guess the other part of that is I watched a talk on you saying that don't just question your the things that like upset you but also question the things that you that you think bring you joy as well and I thought okay I'm going to try that and that sort of led down a whole different level because I've never tried that I've always tried to fix the upsets and then I was thinking so do you get to a point where you just make the decision like is it a holy instant where you make a decision just not to I don't know desire anymore or you know I mean have the desires be blocks anymore like that's the direction I could clarify that too it's not I never have made it an instrument for questioning your joy the one experience that we have and we have that intrinsic joy that's just bubbling up that doesn't need to be questioned because that's a glimpse of what is loving what is is Byron and Katie would say but but pleasure and pain are both inventions of the ego so when I had the early students I did mention to them the instrument for peace and I subtitled it like healing your upsets or something and that was like a subtitle and then I worked with students for years and years and years and then finally they were like is there anything else that could help us and I said well if you really want I can I will tweak the instrument for peace healing your upsets for healing the pleasure and the point of it is that the ego invented a very dualistic system to block joy actually to block intrinsic joy from awareness which is just our God-given creative experience and you might remember in the course there's this line where Jesus says all real pleasure comes from doing God's will really lining us back to the guidance thing again about tuning into the guidance because we have it's a deep rabbit hole but the only way that we make it down the rabbit hole kind of in a rapid way I mean meditation will take you there and contemplation and there's a lot of very helpful ways that have been developed by saints and mystics and avatars throughout the centuries but guidance is a very very direct way and it's also very practical with partners and children and houses and what seems to be the complexities of the western world and urban living and whatever it seems to be completely different than what have been traditional pathways like if you went to India they would say you're in the householder phase where Jesus doesn't make the distinction he doesn't say oh you're a householder he just says here we'll start working these lessons and we'll go and instrument for peace and so forth and we'll go down there but ultimately that making that contact with spirit and tuning into that guidance and following that guidance that is a very rapid way into spiritual awakening and it takes us beyond anything that we can kind of imagine or fathom but as Francis was saying we've actually been our pathway that we join a lot we don't have long long periods of meditation at times many of us in the community have been guided to hermitages or to go off and so forth but generally we are we use the course of miracles and we use those workbook lessons we use the path that was given us including relationships and the use of the course to tap into that guidance and then as we follow that guidance listen, follow, listen, follow it builds the joy it builds our contact with that joy that inspiration and then the more we are inspired the easier the whole thing turns and that's really been the key for us I've done a lot of meditation in the past and I've got three kids now it's just one of them that option for me so doing a worksheet it's more practical to go because I don't have that go off in a room yeah, yeah it's great that you mentioned even Byron Katie because I was crisscrossing with Byron Katie and her students over the years because we're all around to many many different countries and then one of my students at one point started to make composites of instrument for peace and Byron Katie workshops and really tweaking yeah, because most of it together because her brilliant question is what would you be without this thought and your one is at the end is worth I can't remember because I just started doing it but it's a piece of mind would you have this desire instead of a piece of mind and those are two very brilliant minds that should help us find out yeah, yeah okay, thank you thank you, this is very practical beautiful okay I've got a question is that okay? I think it's a hard one but just that you've been going and not to be around someone I don't know, I'm just coming out there yeah yeah I don't think that you might be related to that so yeah it's tricky, it's really tricky yeah, that's the thing where it's stressing that the spirit knows best and that's something that you sometimes even see that flash across Facebook that when people start to disappear from your life don't assume that that's a bad thing that the spirit will remove from your life and things from your life that would be a distraction or it could be a delay maneuver at times, so we have to be just as willing for things to disappear from our dreamscape as we are for things to appear and oftentimes now it says when God closes one door God opens a window really works that way in the sense that that's why we have to be so surrendered because things can get shut off, blocked, blocked, blocked by the spirit just so that it will be channeled to open, open, open and we can view those things as things falling apart, falling away shutting down when actually that's the ego interpreting and really the spirit's just saying here, I want you to go in this direction so it's quite an interesting prospect when you're going along and certain things are getting removed and there's even one of the stages early on in the development of trust and the manual for teachers where Jesus says it will seem as if things are being taken away from you so when Jesus comes right out and uses those words taken away, seems then he says really that's not what's happening it's just that the mind is starting to devalue some of its idols which is making way for the glory and the ego interprets that in terms of loss as it always does why did you take this out of my life why did you take that, it's really that everything's going beautifully and your mind is integrating and coming and consolidating it's learning and practice and yet the ego is trying to make a sad story I think I'm past I'm okay with it probably you talked about the guilt it's like that ego guilt even though I know it's positive I have a sense of calm about it that it's okay and I've got peace with that but it's a guilt of me not reaching out to them it's not logical and so you're just saying that's the guilt that's the ego thing I have a sense that it's actually part of yeah it's good when I went through that and I started to still feel the guilt hanging on that's me I popped up at the book and I opened that part about back in the manual where the question is put to Jesus what are the levels of teaching and he basically talks about saying really there aren't any levels that we're always teaching and learning and our thoughts are teaching and learning based on what we're thinking that's what our relationship is it's a relationship with our thoughts even though we think there's external people and external objects external world really we're always relating to ourselves in a mind level but then he throws out three levels there really are no levels but I'll give you three I'll give you something right because we need them we need them and we get a two on something for a while so we realize there aren't levels so and the second level is a fairly intense teaching learning situation in which the two appear to separate yeah and I love that when he says appear oh here thank you the guilt starts to loosen right away the guilt is like ah we separate it and then the appear is don't think you know exactly what's going on because you'll just appear to separate but then even better a guilt washer gets the power washer off and he says each one has taught and learned the most that they can and the teaching learning is maximal maximal woo bring in the power let's get that guilt out of there because there's always in these kind of relationships that he goes going to throw the regret card in oh if you just had hung in there a little more you just you know and he's got to get the power washer out no I said it's maximal ha ha ha ah thank you that feels good shh again a little bit right over here there's that coulda woulda shoulda it's all those love stories oh if only I can't live if everything is without you can't give it's all these sad songs and everything it's all this guilt maximal means maximal that we're going to have these kind of relationships in our life and sadly we've been addicted to codependencies we've been addicted to these special relationships where I can't live without this one and I can't even imagine what my life would be without you in my life and all this love song ha ha codependent love songs and yet we get to the point where princess loves to talk about she's seen how the Holy Spirit used relationships in my life because they're all collaborative when I'm going to use this let the voice for God speak through me yeah Jesus is like yeah I'll do that and you'd have to have a supporting cast of characters that will have a whole support team in there too it's more like a choir not like you're not like the lone wolf crying out in the desert like the old remember the old ones from the bible you know out there John the Baptist repent you know you have a whole chorus that's going to come and join you so I didn't even as David didn't like to travel and then I get sent over 40 countries I speak one language and then there's a lot of different languages in these countries so Jesus sends in support cast all kinds of translators the best translators in the world without even having to arrange it happen to show up in the group happen to relate to my metaphors and even if they can't relate to my metaphors there's somebody in the audience that cries out it's almost like group group translations happen it's like pentecost you know where I'm wondering how they're going to understand that Jesus sends in a fleet the first time I went to Argentina I think I was down there a couple weeks but I had 12 or 14 translators that spontaneously just showed up at the gatherings so that's another form of relationship you know when you're down in Colombia and you're don't speak espanol and you're down there you've got to rely on JC Central to send in some casting of those translators because there's no way to work without the translators so I have swirls of translators that come around me it's fun it's sometimes they're telepathic so we've never met but we get in this room and we're sitting in the same chairs and it comes through like this and sometimes we're so tuned up that we're like two radio channels where it's coming through here in English and over there in Espanol that's cool where it's like going simultaneously but not like this it's going like this like two speakers and people in the audience are going which station do I tune in to the English ones go here and the Spanish ones go there that's it and also with travel it's not a typical assignment to go around and around the world we quit counting how many times we've gone literally around we go around the world and we're in the hotel and we both here there we go again and she spends an afternoon booking flights for another if we just finished going around the world she's like over there and there's the tickets and off we go again for another 360 around the world it comes in fast it's given but also with travel partners with every single thing it's very orchestrated to what will bring a blessing to the whole and that's just not we're not used to thinking of our relationships of what will bring a blessing to the whole we're usually just focused on the partner you know and I mean focused we've got some major people pleasing going on there because number one once we find a partner that we feel compatible with we're terrified we'll lose that partner and if we have a partner that we're not compatible with we're trying to plan the escape how do we get out of here where's the escape hatch James Bond where's the button the eject button you know we've been in those relationships where you're in and you're going along and you're thinking where's the eject button quick because you feel like you're going off the cliff like James Bond quick this is the way that ego works you know it's either attracted or it's repulsed or both and it's quite sticky and quite tricky with these interpersonal relationships but as we get more into alignment then we're like what serves the whole we're open to expansive views of relationship someone shows up and they sing at your gathering and everyone is blessed someone shows up and they have to provide a living room to offer like this with some snacks and you see it's quantum our minds doing this it's not by accident that we're having this great experience here it's some level of our mind we've chosen it even though it's a preference out of all the possible outcomes in the history in the cosmos we've frozen down on a particular outcome does anybody know quantum physics and superposition it's all potentialities and then we lock in on Robert's room, Robert's living room we've locked in on Robert's living room for the night out of all the potentials and this is what the discoverer of the atom found out that electrons and protons and neutrons are things atoms are potentialities and then when you get into quantum physics you see oh that's how it works it's all just superposition did anybody ever see that movie what the bleep remember the basketballs all the basketballs and then the basketball that comes out out of all the potential locations out of all the potential locations in time and space we've zoomed in tonight and it's living room amazing and it's the same with relationships when we start to zoom in and focus all of our attention on one particular body whether it's this body or that body or these bodies or whatever you see it's a tiny configuration and we need to pull the blinders off and say what potentiality do you have for me for my entire life for my entire usefulness for the plan of awakening we need to pull those limiting parameters off pull them back pull them back see how happy when you pull them back that's the happy sound that you get she's actually really quiet this is the first time she's just really like vocal she's giddy she's giddy with happiness yeah yes yeah thanks for that I suppose my brain's still at that maximum thing I didn't get that 100% like you said a third step there's three levels that he gives but I was giving the number two number one is remember he says there are no levels but then he gives you the three and the first one is like casual encounters where you meet somebody walking down the street or you see somebody in an elevator or whatever these casual encounters can seem to be very random and here you are with Sydney if you walk down the streets of Sydney your eyes will meet different ones you'll be drawn to different ones you may pause at a crosswalk and you may say something to somebody that these are not random there is nothing random about this universe the second thing is extremely purposeful and it's all arranged or prearranged and then the second level is the fairly intense teaching learning opportunity in which they appear to separate and the learning is maximal what does that mean it means that each one has taught and learned the most that they could and that's the maximal part and there is something comforting about that coming from Jesus because the ego has all kinds of kudubu toshida it's going to try to make a mess out of that it wants to be portrayed as an actual separation not a seeming one in which there is some unfinished business left but as long as we are perceiving human beings as separate from our mind then the ego is projecting its grievances and they are called human beings so the human beings in time and space when they are projected as if they are external to the mind are projected grievances and that's why even when you have soul mates that come together after a couple of years the soul mates wake up in the morning and go there's an unconscious thing that's popped up into awareness that is calling for forgiveness it's calling for seeing the sameness that we are the same spirit we're the same soul we're the same one, like Neo you are the one, that's the only recognition that we need to experience so I'm glad you're bringing it up because that's when there's a nagging source of guilt underneath there it's just that there's a higher purpose that still hasn't been fully grasped but it's there and he does say that about the third level that you're given a life long partner and if they decide to learn it in this life long relationship the perfect lesson is before them and can be learned so it's more than a soul mate it's a wake up from time and space to eternity a life long relationship in which the perfect lesson is laid before them and can be learned he does qualify he says this life long relationship they may be hostile to each other perhaps for life so he shoots down all typical soul mate saying that he's like don't start with this let me say but it's described more in terms of if they're really ready to learn the perfect lesson they may have to go through a lot of intensity and a lot of darkness but the purpose is to wake up from the darkness and go to the light perfect love cast out fear to welcome the Holy Spirit into the relationship so fully that it's a life long relationship and they do they get it they pop through to the light a little bit like Gary and Arne's Arne and Persa popping through to lighten that metaphor celebration David, what would you say to someone who is facing a physical challenge and maybe an incurable disease or maybe just short term headache or anything like that what would be the course of America's perspective on that? Well it's come to me sometimes I mean I've had a recent past couple years we had a devotional where somebody came diagnosed with cancer you know with a terminal diagnosis and then went through the six week devotional completely beyond that they popped through and transcended that whole perception and interpretation I have had those that have come where for me it's always I go into prayer and then in the prayer things will pop out of my mouth like a minister that I was training for many years ago with hospice we were both going through hospice training together and he went out to have a burger with me at Wendy's and said that he'd been diagnosed with it was like leukemia it was like cancer in the lymph nodes and then when we prayed together at lunch I just was given the words is there somebody you haven't is dear to you in your life that you're not speaking with for some reason you've split off communication with and he's like oh yeah it's yeah my sister and so then the guidance came through to call call his sister and to open up and everything and then he did go through a complete remission the doctors couldn't find a trace of the cancer and it helps to remember from Jesus that all illness is mental illness and so there's a mental block there's a grievance my grievances hide the light of the world in me that it's never physical even though it may appear to be interpreted to be a physical ailment or physical thing but it's always mental and it's always a grievance and that's why when we do those workbook lessons we come through with honest searching where Jesus will say think of one who displeased you who offended you whatever you have thought of him now you know he's seen it's gonna be quick you know the grievance is not that far from the surface and then he does a whole guided meditation of seeing them in light and working to seeing the Christ in them which is another great way of removing the grievance so that's the most important thing for me is always this awareness that all illness is mental illness and then that brings us back to look at our thoughts pay more close attention and tune into prayer specific guidance Robert Varley some people we were just talking about Robert Varley and Barbara the early pioneers with the Course I think one time I was talking to Robert and he was down in Texas where they lived quite a lot of their life and he he got this this really strong toothache and he really had this strong pain and then when he went into prayer and meditation he was waiting to hear which dentist Jesus would take him to or you know what Jesus would have him do to handle the toothache and Jesus said go fly to Oregon and visit your father and he's like for a dental for a throbbing dental pain take a flight to visit my father Jesus took him right out of the dental pain without a dentist he took him right to his perception of his father and going and visiting him and they had a wonderful healing joining in the dental the pain went away you see how different it is from the surface of things we were just talking during the break about an eye thing which Helen Shekman she was a research psychologist at Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center in New York City and one day she went blind she lost vision in both eyes and they took her across the street to a neurologist who ran all kinds of neurological tests found nothing still couldn't see and she finally goes back to Jesus again taking down his course you can ask a few questions and they're like what is going on I lost what's going on with this blindness and Jesus said you're afraid of spiritual sight you're afraid of spiritual vision you see it has nothing to do with neurology it has nothing to do with sight even in this world everything informed simply is a reflection of what's going on in a much deeper level in mind and that's why when we study a course we're on a journey into our mind the ego tried to project out a world where we get so distracted with bodies and brains and hearts and all kinds of physical stuff that we would be mindless the ego always wants us to be mindless it wants us to be so focused on the brain and the body and the world and events and so the election did you hear this pollution is getting so bad I went to this city it's always trying to scare us with the projections and keep us good and scared so that we won't sink inward to the mind and to our thoughts and beliefs which is where all of our problems our seeming problems are they're just erroneous thoughts that come from erroneous beliefs and until we get to the bottom of the barrel and we start to realize how silly that these are not real thoughts and these aren't even real beliefs then it seems like we're just acting and reacting to images on the screen like when we go to a movie someone says how is the movie oh it's a horror movie scary movie it's just shadows shadows and sights and sounds but we interpret ourselves as being identified with the character or characters of the situations to realize that there has never been in all of history a frightening situation that the ego has projected out all of these hallucinating situations and that there really aren't they're all simultaneous they're not even linear ones and now it pulls out all these oh that scared me oh that's a terrifying memory oh I was afraid of this I was afraid of that Jesus says in no situation do you perceive your own best interest really is it that bad I mean I didn't get any right you're not saying in most in no situation do you perceive your own best interest how humbling is that and then people say that's hard to believe but in the end there aren't even separate situations we've got a time issue going on the ego invented linear time and it's strung these crazy scenes and scenarios together like a movie movie theaters where they have the film with all the different and it goes so fast that it makes the illusion actually happening when it's just a bunch of photos we're just watching a bunch of shadows with photos and recorded sound and then we're interpreting that all these real things are happening that's why we're reacting and responding in the movie theaters because we're interpreting that there's some reality going on on that screen we've forgotten we're dreaming we forgot it we forget when we're even watching a movie who here in Sydney pays $30 for a movie and forgets that it's a movie everyone until you get your mind trained to a high degree that you realize that everything in your daily life as much as the movie is when you go into the theater it's all projections mind is caught in dreaming it's inception there's layers upon layers upon layers of dreaming until you forget that you're dreaming and then you start to take those images very seriously are you saying don't trap it just an illusion? yeah that's our direction we're going it's almost like saying show me you know I need to be convinced show me and then the spirit does I'm going to be hearing you talked about dreams there's no difference yeah Freud had that part right Freud said dreams were wish fulfillment and so what seems to be our daily life is wish fulfillment and what seems to be our night time dreams is wish fulfillment and the only problem with wish fulfillment is if you have a death wish in your mind that complicates things because those those dreams are not always so peaceful they're sometimes called nightmares or night terrors or in terms of daily life a bad day how was your day? I had a bad day or I had some bad things that happened to me during the day I was going really good and then this happened and this and this and then it turned into a bad day but it's all wish fulfillment so all I would say is be careful about what you wish for because the mind is extremely powerful and we have to be honest with ourselves about our wishes and in the end we have to expose the ego and see that we don't want it I gave a talk in Edmonton Canada years ago I was only like 5 or 10 minutes into the talk and a lady in the front row and the elderly lady she just raised her hand right I just was getting rolling there and she said wait wait wait stop stop you've had nothing good to say about the ego you had nothing but negative things to say about the ego come on and so I took a long drink of water nice long sit and I looked at her and I just said the ego wants you dead and then I continued on with the talk it's a death wish we can't Molly call it we can't love it we can't cuddle it it's a death wish and the only thing you can do with a death wish is expose it and bring it from the unconscious mind into the conscious mind where then you can see I don't want this and I don't want any aspect of this and this thing doesn't want me good so therefore I will pull my mind's energy away from it I will completely unplug from this puff this imaginary puff because it's not serving me so that's why we have this journey with the spirit that seems to involve this world is to pull our mind completely away from it as long as it seems to be valuable then you spin so just practice on plugging in consciousness yeah and the way you do that it's like with all your relationships you do cultivate gratitude because honestly the relationships are showing you those dark spots those hidden spots in the unconscious that are really buried and they're doing us a great favor huge favor our pets, our dogs, our cats our gerbils hamsters hamsters horses, cattle humans everything is mirroring reflecting back to us what we need to expose and release let's name it, I don't want it handed over but the choice of just I don't want that not wishing for it yeah exposing the wish the only reason that idols seem attractive is because they seem to offer something of value that's what an idol is it's something that is make-believe it's fictional but it's been given value it's been given artificial value it's like the mind saying oh I really need nothing except for this this would be nice and this will bring me happiness and then the idol will fall and Jesus says seek not outside yourself for it will fail and you will weep each time an idol falls that's our weeping we've mis-invested and then we think that we've lost something that's real but God didn't give us something that can fall so quickly it must be something artificial that we've raised up as something important and then when it falls or seems to fall then we can feel depressed I think with this election there's been some reflections coming in and people writing in we're very sad we're grieving those kind of reflections are coming in but in any situation including an election outcome the spirit Holy Spirit and Jesus quietly whisper this need not be you need not be disturbed by this outcome or this interpretation give it to me the Holy Spirit can reinterpret anything in fact I remember reading some of the things in the Bible and I would read certain things in the Bible and I would say that's just plain old nasty that's just nasty that's just nasty vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord oh that's just plain nasty that's just nasty thought in the Bible and then Jesus takes that one of the first miracles and he Holy Spirit flips it around and says vengeance is a concept that doesn't belong in your holy mind vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord give it to me for healing vengeance is mine you can reinterpret vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord you could reinterpret everything Jesus yeah yeah precisely I can reinterpret anything into the light of truth so we don't have to have our anger at certain things or maintain any kind of sense of distance David I remember when I was doing that whole oscillating for goodness how many years and for me that oscillating was coming to terms with what was probably inevitable but it's also the ego versus God's time like yours your will be done not mine and I was always very very clear of that and I used to get really angry because sometimes you know I'd throw a card or I'd ask a question and I would get the resounding no that I didn't want to hear because I wanted it to be my time not the time that was meant for me that day and that voice that was so clear to me and so beautiful and so peaceful you know now is the time and I'm like what who are you you know that sort of feeling and it had to say it's three times and then finally I went down and ended this relationship with love you know after 31 years I remember making a very strong pact with self that I would not go down the road of guilt that I would not go down the road of fear I mean I guess the bottom line is fear so under that umbrella of fear is all sorts of emotions you know related to that and I've made a very strong decision not to do that so it's great that you brought it up and it's great that you brought it up because it just reaffirms for me that you just wrote just now I don't have to feel pain I've already felt it I've felt it for the last bloody 10 years you know up and down and it was always about the ego wanting it and patience was never my virtue because I had to be patient and it had to come from that real place because I knew that if it came from the ego it would be it just wouldn't have worked I'm glad you're both bringing up this relationship because this is like this can be like a sore spot where the ego seems to be very ingenious in pulling its cards and tricks in there to maintain guilt and it's reminded me of a time I went to this small town in Michigan and I think it was Brooklyn, Michigan and I got invited by a friend of mine who was a lawyer who was into the course and he would draw people into his law office and people would come in to get divorces and he would talk with them and talk with them and they were ready to just get at each other and really go after him and he would be pointing to sayings from the course that he had on his wall and I said oh this is the funniest thing a lawyer I said I just marveled at how Jesus was like a barrister a solicitor, a lawyer who was working for Jesus and anyway I went to his place one time and I gave this talk and I was so excited and happy in giving this talk and this guy came up to me afterwards and it was Mike and he said during the first half of the day he was sitting there and he said oh my gosh my wife would love this talk that's all she's saying the same kind of stuff that you talk about all day long I know if she was here she would be just soaking it up this is right up her alley and everything so it's good good good sometime you can bring her while he goes home I go back a year later and there he is Mike's brought his wife this time and she's sitting in the front row she's got her little pen she's and she's so happy she's putting it all down and he goes see I told you I told you I told you this is right up her alley so then another year goes by I come back around I come back there and everything and I see Mike I say how's your life and everything he said well my dad died and my wife left me I said well tell me about it and he said well they were the most both of them were the most miraculous experiences I've ever had in my life so how did it go he said well I was there in the room when my dad died and I could feel all this love and I was like he was with me even though his body wasn't moving anymore I could feel him in me and through me and around me it was a mystical and my dad died and I felt like wow that was amazing felt such a connection and I said how did it go with your wife leaving he said oh that was a tough one he said one day I came home and she was there and she's like I love you I love you so much he said that's how it started I love you like he said to you for I love you and she said and it's time for me to go go what do you mean go go where I'm going to be going to Florida that's for the spirits guiding me that's my next thing well what about us and she said that's been so wonderful you've been such a beautiful partner in my life and I love you so much he said so he said what did you do he said what it was horribly shocking he said I went down to the local bar and my friends I got the guys around me I said hey my wife's really happy and they said that's not good and she's so happy that she's talking to me and she's leaving oh man that's not that is not right you need some counseling we need she needs to see the light you just can't walk out on your man stand by your man you can't do that and so they talk and he says well but she's so happy that's the part I'm not she doesn't look unhappy at all she's so happy and so eventually yeah she just did she said here's my guidance I always love you I have total gratitude and she left and he said that was a tough one he said I went through all kinds of emotions of rejection abandonment you might imagine all the ones but he said wow the spirit is really working with me I went through a huge amount of healing when she left more healing than I could have ever imagined so we can't be the judge we just have to follow our guidance we can't let the ego try to come around and whack us a few more times and beat us over the head with a few things if we're to join with somebody if we're to stay with somebody if we're to leave somebody it reminds me of the early days when I was traveling around the United States and Canada for like 5 years from 91 to 96 and I had those stay and go prompts that were coming to me on every day or 2 or 3 days because I was, you know, Jesus like go, go there stay stay, leave and if I tried to stay and he said leave it's so nice here, it's a beautiful place they love me, they're feeding me he's like I'm feeding you it's not that it was listen and follow and then go go, stay, stay, go stay, stay, stay, stay, go it was so much practice because when you're in a house you really aren't thinking stay or go you just turn on the light ok, go shower, brush your teeth you think I'm in my house or my apartment but these stay and go things really were obedience lessons of the spirit listen, follow we've had a lot of those being on the road and also in the end I mean the 3 levels they talk about is we in our lives used to be so much emphasis on the longest one, you know like after the 3 you might naturally pass the first one that's a random encounter that's not important the second okay it's a little bit of time element involved and the third one is where the mind goes okay do I have that, who is the one but I guess on this path so much of listen and follow because the spirit eventually want us to have that kind of experience with everyone the same kind of