 Mae Gwfnog y Gwyl Gwyrdegiwyr Sule Lamedol yw'r dweud y gweithio yn ymgolwch yn y Llywodraeth i'r ffordd o'r ffordd o'r regime wedi'u cymryd y Proses, Mawrmydd y Bohaari, o'u ffordd o'r llyfr o'r llyfr yw'r llyfr o'r gwaith. Yn y Llywodraeth, Lamedol, Bohaari a'r apcau yn ymdill yn ôl i'r lleidol i'r ysgolwch o'r Llywodraeth ac yn dda i'r bwysig o'r Mwg Fflaenau Dyn Donau Cymru. Mae'n ddweud o'r hynny'n cael hynny'n gweithio'r cyd-dwyng ymellafol o'r cynyddiant yn y gwybod. A o'r gweithio'r cyfrifiadau ar ôl y Tairos, yn y northeas, a'r bandit yn y northwest, y Llamidol fe'r cyfrifiadau yw'r cyfrifiadau, yn y maen nhw'n cyfrifiadau, o'r ddiwylliant i'r ddweud. A hynny'n meddwl am ddweudio'r ddweud. Darlington Orgy, former publicity secretary of the People's Democratic Party in Rivers State, and Sir Mayor Eli, he's a legal practitioner and also a member of the All-Progressive Congress in Rivers State. Thank you very much for joining us. Thanks for having me. So, Governor Suleylamido is blaming the rising insecurity on your party's failure to be able to meet its campaign promises, saying that they were all belt-analyzed, and that's why we're where we are today. We respect Suleylamido. He does not speak through to his character as a smart governor to call the political party a bit of an immediate endurance, including the president liars. That is the height of the suspect, but I'm not going to dwell on that. He was governor of his state, and as usual what we hear is they are not concerned and powered to command troops. The president does his job as commander-in-chief. The governors are caught in two sorts of other states, and have the mandate to collect your reports. What do they do with it? So, when they see if my governor comes on air and tells people that the APC builds campaign on lives, of course, you should know the character of this man. He was one of the five governors who worked out of the PDV Convention and led to the formation of the APC. Actually, what made him stay back? He was hardly for the presidency. He couldn't get it and stay back. Now, the issues are simple. Where were we before now? Before Bwari came on board. Where are we today? Yes, you can say security has been found out from the North East and the North West, but the kind of bombings you have up to a buja. Why haven't the United Nations building was attacked by a buja? Do you have it now? That's why it's known. The PDV government was the United Nations building bombed every other day, where people being kidnapped every single day in every part of the Northern Axis of the Country. Nobody has a tentable of security infractions. Well, we report. We have the numbers, and you're the one who started off by trying to make a comparison of sorts. So, let's do it. Let's do it. I was saying that nobody has a tentable for security breaches. Nobody has. But in front of that, I said, where were we before? Where were we today? How many bombs have gone up in this country? I was saying that those bombs were going up. They were lies that were not being killed, that the air bombings did not happen. So, which one is a lie? These are facts that were before us. Now, the troops, in terms of investing in troops, armament or whatever, I say that this government is no far less than what they did in the past, not how they did in the past now. Just now, with two deliverers on two kinds of jets, everybody knows how far they've invested in these things. And for even Nigerians, at the height of its mark of law, to come out and tell the world that a piece of deal that can be done lies at the height of the specs. Let's look at the things that he said. He talked about the root cause of the security problems in Nigeria. He asked a question and I'm going to quote him directly. Why are our own children, children who are under 25, taking arms against its own kit and kin, going to villages to harass them, to take over their livestock, burn their houses and even rape their women? And he asked the question, what is the problem? He said this cannot be moral decadence alone and he asked what has gone wrong. So this is the root of the problems. Let's ask, why are our young people doing this? If they were fully employed, if they were given a hope and a future, would this be happening? Yeah, and taking a link from the question, the question I was supposed to ask is, what is Lola Mido do as a government in eight years? Is it saying that those youths, 25-year-olds now, who are harassing us, some of them are not from the general states? How many of them did they send to school? How many did they employ? What kind of blimp today for everything that happened today? What happened yesterday? Today is building a foundation of yesterday. What did he do in his time as governor to employ those people or to send them to school? Two, put Lola Mido and shape. I'm saying that security agencies should invite people like Lola Mido, kind of like Shergoumi that are claring in Cardona. They didn't know so much about what's happening in these security measures. Just this week, the past will have the situation where a military commander in the foreign states had to devise a mission to trap soldiers within their ranks who are given information to insurgents. To insurgents, all right? Who had the information was tracking it. So for those who took the vote so much, I think I should blame the intelligence agency. They should go after these men and trap them and we'll get to the root of this matter. Okay, interesting. So that it's not just, I'm going to play the devil's advocate until we have our second guest join us. Since you're pointing to Governor Lamido as to what he's done for his state, let's look at the states that have the most kidnappings, the most insurgents, the most of all of the banditry. Let's look at Cardona, which is somewhat of a playing field or has become a playing field for these bandits where every single day there's one hit or the other. He's an APC and let's not forget the operating word here was the APC's campaign lies. So obviously every state that has an APC governor, including the federal government, falls in this category. Governor Elw Fawr is of the APC. And let's look at other states like Benway. Let's look at other states like Zamfara. Let's look at all of those states. Those states have more kidnappings I'm sure the percentage of kidnappings and banditry in those states are less than that of Jigawa, but we're not giving the governor of Jigawa a pass because of course if he's pointing fingers at other governors, then he also has a role to play. So if you're saying that the governor of Jigawa state did not do anything for the youths in his state and that's why there's insecurity also, or maybe some people from his state are engaging in insecurity, does that also mean that the governors of all these other states where the APC is in charge, especially for Cardona state, has not done anything? No, no, no, I just asked a question. I did not, I did not notice, I did not say this is the fact. I was asking a question tying to something that she said recently the Cardona state government launched a program for people to come and invest in Cardona state. And a few days later, people were kidnapped and a person was killed on Sunday. So if you're making that a session to Jigawa state governor, does that same a session go for the governors of APC in the states where these banditry and kidnapping or insurgents is growing? But you made it about the governor because he made a statement. Why can't we look at the group causes of the problem instead of pointing fingers? I'm saying up to now that the president does his bit. Security is a whole chain, is a whole value chain, a whole process. The president does his bit. What did the governors do? What do local media men do? They collect security votes. What did they do in those famous states? I was wearing the ribbon set here. There's so much of this security you are here in Europe. But the governor has managed to tackle it to a life-stream. You've got to say it's completely zero now, but this is happening once in a while. The security agency is working in harmony with the authorities and the government support this. This is done. They also work with the intelligence government. They look at police, they look at governments and say governments don't have access to the intelligence government, apart from using local vigilantes. But whatever it is, we're saying that it should be called a political report. Time to put all these security over. What can I say? APC states and PDP states is common to do with security here. This is America where I can say this is a blue state, this is a red state. No. I'm going to talk about, I'll talk about the election as an APC governor. I'm not going to talk about the PDP. So I'm going to say that suddenly this is switched from being APC to PDP. No. But if I remember, the PDP did not campaign that it was going to put an end to insecurity and Boko Haram in less than a few months. The PDP did not campaign saying that they will bring employment to youth. The PDP did not campaign that they were going to put an end to corruption. It was the APC. Now, if former governor Llamido is making this a session saying that the APC told us lies and the reason why we're having insecurities is as a result of the fact that they were not truthful to the people and they sold us lies, can we really take it away from leadership? Because he said, and I quote, he said that this is about leadership and that there is no leadership of sorts from the federal government. This is why we're having this insecurity. But please just hold that thought. We'll be joined now by Darlinton. Darlinton, thank you very much for joining us. Speaking on the issue of insecurity and former governor Llamido saying that the reason why we're facing insecurity in the country is a product of President Bohari's government building on lies or rather selling lies to Nigerians through their campaign. Does that in any way absolve the governors of the PDP in states where these insecurities are happening? Well, thank you for giving me the privilege to speak to you. For me, all of us are set that security in the team of everybody is such a thing that when the president was sitting on court, he was on court to protect the lives and purposes of Nigerian people. And when political parties viewed on lies and propaganda, it is not time to express the work where we are. If political parties that came on court and said they're going to fight insecurity, that was the cutting out point of your campaign. They talked about the fight against Boko Haram. Today, as far as we are concerned, Boko Haram has been in Nigeria. Today, public schools in the north are dealing about taking and overrun by a subject. So what are we talking about? It's all the matters that let me try to say that the insecurity we are having is upon the lies and propaganda that brought in the president of Nigeria to be President Mohammed Buhari. So for us, we cannot wait 2023 by the corner. We are going to live with this. When you make a mistake as a person, you live with it and wait for another day where you have the stress of making corrections. This government, as far as I'm concerned, has said it's not on the insecurity aspect and all the promises that make to Nigeria people. Let me tell you one that they complained on and they kept to our needs. So for me, we are living with the price. Without a chance, no matter what we are going to say now, nothing will change until January 2023 because it's very slow. Well, let me go back to what Governor Lamidou said, because you see all of this boils down to leadership. And when we say leadership, we can't just live it at the feet of the president or the presidency. It obviously spans through governors, legislators, councillors and local government chairman. Now, back to what former Governor Lamidou said, and I'd like to quote him, the issue is that the government must be held accountable, he said. And I don't want to sound too political. It is a matter of life. Attaining political power, the process must be very credible. It must be very transparent. A leader must be able to say, I want to be in government because I will do this and that. When you ignore this and begin to tell lies at malign and blackmail others, he's trying to say that the governments have lost their way. It's become more political in handling the issue of insecurity other than looking at the lives of people that are being lost. And this goes to you too. So may we have now reduced the casualties to numbers every single day? That is either there's an abduction or somebody's killed. The NDA was attacked recently. I mean, schools have been attacked over and over again. People have had to redraw their children because the schools are no longer safe. This still goes back to the issue of leadership. And just as Mr Lamidou has said, he doesn't want to be too political. But if you as a leader has taken a note and you have said that you're going to do this and that, when you do not do it and you're criticized, you stop blackmailing and maligning, he says that this is where the problem lies. And back to the issue of the APC. This government has been promising us for years. This government has a few more years to go. Just hold on. Let me land. Nigerians are still asking, where is the security that you promised us? Where is the economy that you promised us? Where is the anti-corruption fight that you promised us? The president has two more years to go. Can we point, can we actually, can you, as a member of the APC, hit your hand on your chest and say that the president has lived up to its expectation? Merion, on the economy, on the economy, everybody knows the censor there was doing far better. People are resting economy with exchange rates. We are building infrastructure that are not there in PDP. We are not there. They want PDP because we are continuing. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We have not derailed at one point. On security, when they say we built a criminal lies, did Chybog get some happen? Did the air bomb not happen? Did the Bukalam insurgent not chase away Nigeria from some of the edges in the Northeast? Is that a station today? No. They would not find a jet, a jet to South Africa in the name of going to buy out of town. They are taking money out. It did not happen at the PDP. They told them I can pay promises. I have not seen the PDP pay promises in 1999 when the military was reaching. Would you say the PDP made the promises at 60% or even 30%? The government would come and go. This challenge will arise. I have maybe taken that in the name of politics PDP can do anything, including running some of these security issues. Believe me that the APC did that. APC did not do it. APC problems in some areas, let's concede. Maybe we either underwent the problem or we over-established the capacities that were brought on board sometimes, but brought on by these problems are there. This government, whether living in denial, when Dapchi happened, the government went out of the system. Today, whenever the assembly bridge, the government goes outside. In the case of PDP, they will live in denial. Let's have Darlington chime in on this one. Darlington, let's have Darlington chime in. Let's have Darlington come in on this one. Darlington, would you like to respond? We come to ask today that we must have presidents of presidents, because all we hear today is that presidency. You can not be run by presidency. Rather, would you be run by… and governed by a president who made promises to the people? For me, the government is a social contrast. Once you fail from the promises you have made Mae'r meddyl yn hollwyr o ddydd i ddim yn Yn Llyfrgell Gwyddiadol mae'r meddyl mwyn Ond fries y Prifysgol. Mae rhai eu chreif muchos yn tre'n wnaeth ddim yn bywyd. Mae'r meddyl yn hyn syn gyda hynny'n meddyl y Roedd sydd wedi'n sioedd i rhywbeth i'n meddyl i gael y byddol, i ddim yn ddweud wedi'n meddyl i'n meddyl i'n ei bod yn llwybu ar y dyfodol a'r meddyliadol. Rwy'r aches i gwaith. Brefyddmwyno hynny. Diolch i'w wath i gweithio? Felly rwy'r ddweud hynny sydd yn ddeifud i gweithio? Maen nhw'n gweithio bydd am mo moderation. Ynny'n gwwysig, yna yn gweithio gyda'i gweithio eich gwneud! Mae'r gweithio eich gwneud hynny a'i gwneud hynny a'i gwneud ar gyfer hynny. Ond roedd yna'r ysgol yn yr ysgol yn ysgol. Bringwysig y gallai gwaith y gallai dyni yn chyfathu eu cyfaintol silu. mae psig wedi'i bwysig i gynnal hwn o'r cyfnod. Ydyn ni o gennym ar gyfer yr cyffredin. Mae hwn yn ymwysig i gyd yw hwn. A dywed o Annabor, rhai yn gweithio'r cyceptu ar y cyffredin. Mae hwn yn cyhoedd gan gweithio cyxima llyfr 자�asod. Y dyn ni, Adam yw hwn yn dweud y cymdeithas astwll Aberfyn. Mae hyn o'n cychwyn fath o ffordd i'r cyftliad. Ond o'n gyffredin iawn? Mae'r cyftliad nifer o ddweud o hwn yn cymdag ymwysig. yn driver's date o form of spokesperson anw. I'm wondering what the voters or the people who would want to vote for your party would say when you say this that would have to leave with it and wait till 2023? So in the interim we should just fold our hands and throw in the towel. I don't know why would I want to vote for your party if this is the hope that you are offering me. Unfortunately gentleman this is the time that we have. razemllu yodaeth o'r PDP Ryfosdate ac yw'r Llyfr думagolol Cymru mewn Ryfosdate. Ychydig i chi gyda'n ddechrau cy Escroedd yn tynnu i'n ysgrifennu. Ychydig i chi'n ysgrifennu. Rwy'n gyf bogudd. Fe'n anru hipo a when we return, byddwn ni'n cael ei bod ei fod yn ddod, roedd y gall. We wan to thank you all for being part of the conversation today, don't forget, Friday we have a special because it's October 1 and we will be having a one hour, thirty minutes special on plus Politics. ac mae'n gwybod yma'n gweld y bydd gweithio'n gwahaniaeth Cymru yn ymddangos o'r Cymru. Mae'n Mary Anna Cohn. Mae'n gweithio'n gwahaniaeth.