 I use it personally to express being the best something like I want to like that my whole thing about it is like make the illest stuff move on make it the illet like bluebell eat you know make the best sell it do it again you know all your music is timeless pieces that just like how today we can hear a song come on that was made 20 years ago or 15 years ago I ain't gonna lie I can't wait till you get Lee in here because Lee gonna tell you that like we don't we don't go in there trying to it's nothing about like okay the sound of the moment or this or that you know I mean and that's you know I don't know we don't we don't make things that try that only fit a moment or to exist in a vacuum of what's happening today completely free you know do it you know and and be the best at it and let the chills follow with a man yeah yeah so top three artists of all time okay now hey now I need my rules now only won't I watch your podcast man you know I know that yeah and I and now I'm finna I'm finna chastise something before I give you my answer any genre right but I'm finna give it's my three favorite of all time is what I want to I want to chastise people for some okay um I'm tired of people saying Michael Jackson uh-oh that's what they say it's always Michael Jackson to pop back to back like stop that always like cut that out that's not why Michael Jackson was great it's people better than Michael Jackson man it's just stop saying what you think people want to hear so that's the problem with life but that I would not agree with that because I tell these people what Joe here you hear me say that yeah what Joe here they tell you Michael Jackson is just so great but they don't even listen to Michael Jackson but Michael Jackson that's there with Eminem too though same thing with Eminem who they love because as a child back then we all listen to Michael Jackson the things that we didn't like is you know the only thing I didn't like about Michael Jackson is him changing physically that was it but music wise that's a part they make him stand put this in there Michael Jackson was on TV when there was six channels on TV then he was on TV when he got older in his teenage years when there was probably 12 or 13 channels on TV then when he was in his late 20s it was probably maybe 35 channels on TV he came onto MTV it was a brand new channel he was the only black person on there you know I mean like this just being real now he received and he's one of the best ever and he had the best ever Quincy Jones do got George Lucas people that make Star Wars doing his videos and stuff and he existed in a different time but what I like about Michael Jackson and and he's not one of my top but the reason why I can understand why he's a lot of people's top because yes he existed in a different generation but my daughter at a young age as she's at she loves Michael Jackson yeah but we try and I will we train but but yeah she never heard me listen to Michael Jackson yeah he's got great music before they started saying that I had to say Michael Jackson uh living off the wall you don't like living off the wall like that when I'm saying that because even I guarantee you even her kids kids well let me ask you this if Michael Jackson came out today rock with you all night and his life was similar to what it was at that time would he still be recognized as like the greatest of all time I think he still would so you think that in 2021 somebody could bleach their skin have like a chimpanzee and like people would say man don't worry about he the colors they still would I disagree with that and you tell me why I say that because okay me coming from Jamaica right um Jamaica is a place of everybody of different colors different races everything like that but for some it ain't mostly black though but for some reason a lot of people are still hey hey hey that I was nervous over there a little bit but a lot of people are still loving light skin so you have a lot of people even there who still bleach your skin in America you can't bleach your skin he's the only person no but in Jamaica a lot of people do and I'm guarantee you because a lot of those Jamaicans who live there are in the states bleaching their skin even right now and they're different ways of how they do it you have somebody they got as my husband who would take I don't know anything no I knew because I knew a lot of people because I knew a lot of people back then who did you talk about um vibes cartel vibes cartel right and they take pills that bleaches from inside out and you have some people who use like toothpaste and all this different you know home remedies to to bleach your skin because they feel that light skin is more accepted right you know well if you did that today coming from Gary Indiana right and made yourself like you had the talent to become a worldwide figure and like a big pop star and you was a a pop star with black skin and from one album uh thriller to bad the next album you don't win from a black you know one of the greatest black to a white woman a white woman rock star white in today's time even though those were the things that were mystical about mike at the time that nigga voice was serious ad don't set up here in that case but then he gained a lot of but he gained a lot of you for the game a lot after that art artist artist artistry is about bad and that that's once he started bleaching and changing he crossed over in a lot because okay question how how much do you feel that looks have to do with a lot your career because even because yes we're talking about light skin dark skin but we're also talking about i can see a guy or a female who not as gorgeous as somebody who you know no no no i don't think it's gorgeous when i say gorgeous it doesn't have to always be dark and light right it can be they call it now he's not as marketable because of his looks or her looks um this person is more marketable because they look nice they fit the the the criteria for me pushing them and they're being successful he he the eccentricities if i say they're right they're too deep for you he was very eccentric and that's that's like that's that's like this let me give you my top three because i thought he was handsome before i didn't think i think a lot of people probably thought that right yes but he went he did some weird wild things these things i know as an artist are what root you into the mind of a consumer which is why there is an industry to create narratives that people think are wild for artists whether it be um catching cases some of these or beating somebody up we can stage a scene somebody come in here and add the boom beat them up we feed it to the blogs or whatever you know and and it goes these things were like in their infant stages when uh mike was doing this thing so i got burnt up on peps like all of these every if you think about if you just look up michael jackson headlines and then you put the music with the headlines you know you got the recipe for the big extreme because we think about little camp man man come on that beat it up herself too come on that beat it's villageing you know what i mean let me tell you who's the best i am the girl is my artist of all time okay i'm not gonna fight you i'm gonna tell you that's what the girl is mine right who is your number one let me tell you something man are you getting the top three i'm gonna do it right now all right well let's do all these top i had to lay that out for y'all so that y'all would understand about artistry and the way that is perceived by the masses same thing the same thing with tupac who was he was talented okay but you gotta have a memory you gotta remember you gotta remember you gotta remember that tupac was already a out rapper um tupac listen now yes i know did that take the world by storm no but it's a process who is the bigger rapper wait a minute whoa whoa listen hold up hold up we finna go there you said a key thing right yes okay who is it a process for not the greatest of all time the greatest of all time when they open their mouth the first time when they debut out there when they get out there on their major for the first time your debut album or the time that everybody heard you whether it be snoop dog i'm talking about on the deep cover snoop dog i can't hear i can't wait to hear your top three boy you're building this up because i'm all this is gonna be good to me ice cube that's your top three no no no no i'm telling you something about art ice cube when you first heard him did it take did it take eight albums or three or four albums did y'all forget tupac was wearing like bikini draws and all of that stuff and dancing back there but this is the most gangster rapper of all time so what i'm trying to tell what i'm trying to this what i'm trying to say the memory of people is gone tupac never at no time was bigger than snoop dog you know why he was alive i'm talking about snoop just opens his mouth in the world like whoa snoop dog you know tupac had the outside antics and as his antics went up i cannot sit here and not i gotta go somewhere with you before you go in and further as his antics went up no snoop dog had dr drape to yeah yeah yes tupac had dr drape to no not not at the not at first dr drape was special okay well how about square face you got mr lee i got mr lee he said it's a chemistry between two individuals and you notice it's always about collaboration when you're dealing with music this man would deal him with uh digital underground and dancing and they you know they they music wasn't even even like it like like his music ended up he ended he did albums before on some gangster stuff you know whatever he was more of military when he did though yeah it was military and then yeah it was a time he was in but what i'm trying to say in this same thing is that you was all of these things you know 20 he died when he was 25 yeah he's an artist man okay i say that he's an artist even in his life right yeah yeah he definitely was an actor and all kind of stuff a lot of people didn't have those skills he was acting like a gangster in real life in certain parts but some parts he would we was locked up at 15 16 17 18 19 yeah he was in like a theater class yeah correct he's got tights and knows how to do ballet yeah uh yeah i ain't never really and then he tells you that real niggas don't die but he evolved into that man he evolved into it yeah because it's forced into you like if it's forced into you like if you take a 15 year old or 20 year old dude and stick him down there get his man that's close up wait a minute yeah be on one or you know this guy's gonna change if you put him in a situation where he has to go into a situation and he don't know this lifestyle when he started going into the different situations and he different places it you had evolved you have to adapt to society man he adapted at 23 to a gangster he got locked up when did he get locked up on i was saying quinn he's clinton uh facility right he got he got he got locked this change how it happened what i'm trying to tell you is that he got shot five times i mean you get shot by playing so you gotta understand this guy gets shot five times why they shoot him gonna change it i don't know but the setup they said oh and that and that it's a setup that that's but it's a process you know what the setup was what was it juice you think that was the the whole reason he got shot i think that that that role took him to this is who i want to be i think that the way that black people respond to theater that they love especially gangster shit i can't wait and he saw the love that he was getting you feel like you know what that's fuck this poetic just fuck that i ain't on that i'm on some from now on i'm gonna be what they read i'm the bad guy like he's led like zoker or imitated i'm bishop yeah i'm bishop no so with it and once you get shot five times you keep going after that you're bloody yeah what that's when you turn all the way up because but you know listen listen and and unknowingly painted the scenario in the scene now these kids in these generations they got eight two pox man yeah but when he did me against the world you know that was a great album that was a great album yes he's got a lot of great he's got a couple of great albums don't you say a couple he had more than a couple what's great double that double this that him and uh him and uh draidey together i can hear kiki in my head talking about me you tripping because i told him the other day uh i said that uh there ain't nobody riding around listening no pot yeah they do he said he got in his car right but when these kids you know the the kids don't care that's what i love about like new artists and all that shit they don't care man so the kids when they come out and say that pox it ain't jamming and then the old head say man what's wrong with you man pox well they try to make you like him but it don't jam now you can actually put in biggie smiles like anybody like big papa love it when they come in anybody like jean and juice like you could put that in jean and anybody with anybody like i won't deny it i'm a straight rider that's a good one let me tell you this listen listen pock loses in a pock loses in a versus battle to who to about 20 people from his era no yeah no yeah man it was good back then man when he played that uh brenda got a baby he got some hits man like like hits yes he got him but what people forget about the hits that he had is no real nigga wanted to hear it you know when he said nobody in my neighborhood played brenda got a baby it ain't easy being me will i see the penitentiary album will i stay that's a jam album listen man mama dear mama that's a jam that's almost same album 20 songs and and go in there with pock man you for to have a problem man you ain't got no problem if you snoop dog what you think anybody you you're yeah you snooping have a problem 20 20 against 20 see and now you see oh that's why i keep my opinions to myself okay because because no because y'all are not already been indoctrinated hold on hold on hold on samaria i want to get a younger version i younger don't say she listened to her calls with me y'all i know i know how you know about her too what's your favorite two part have samaria okay i know three all the people i know three ones that she listens i know she loves michael jackson she loves the two park and she loves whitney houston those three right there whitney houston is unquestionably great no antics nothing turn everything off turn the music on or turn just grab me give me the mic turn this off and yeah you see what i'm saying i understand the rest of these people that y'all name who is it what is your favorite two parks on which one do for love yeah he would dare when that came out but i but you know again shout out lee lee done did a lot for him too did work a lot of work with two park you know well let me give it to you but first i had to clear the path so that you would know hold on all right which yeah i want to be straight focus when i hear this right i had to give you that outside stuff about what was going on in the world and in the lives of these people that y'all think is the greatest all time like prince same same scenario i wasn't always a prince fan i think i think i think prince is dope as hell but i i think that he won't pants with his ass out i think that he presented himself as even though i don't think he's gay or nothing like that i think that he presented himself in a like a gender fluid kind of way that made him a little it made it bigger questionable it made it no it didn't make him i don't i don't one thing about ad ad he think prince is a real player you know but i believe that he presented himself in a way that allowed you know for people to speculate and i think that that added to the allure to his artistry because america is just hell being on some gay shit they don't want you to it's just gay shit you know but let me say top three artists here we go i'm going now top three artists of all time did our lives i had to do all of that to fight john yeah michael jackson michael jackson no we know michael not going to be in there i had to fight that fight so that people would understand which one let me hear number one the real number one artist number one number one chris brown oh lord let me let's hear the whole let me say chris brown i'm listening to y'all i know that i want to hit number two i'm gonna go out like this let me tell you about you before we ask why yeah we don't get all three we want to get all three before we number two are kelly okay number three under chris brown okay hold on okay uh yes because no no i'm gonna tell you why number three our kelly is number two and third one that i would say um all the greatest artists of all time uh luke the vandross would be number three i like that that's the one that's all the ones that i could what no we like our kelly too but keep the chris brown why because chris chris brown is the most talented black person that there has been in the united states some shit you get you just get it because of god that's your looks and all of that type of shit um musically they can't they can't miss hits and all of this he the all he's he's the best talent that we've had as blacks but he don't have the i already told like i tell them i tell people this all the time our chris brown gotta do if he want to be received as the best ever from the outside masses wear a dress like the rest of them like of course you lose me in the process but do some gay shit and all that shit that'll keep you relevant to the the higher ups and then they'll they'll go ahead and create the narrative or fix the narrative so he can match the the other black people that they done had to um dressing drag or do whatever gay shit that they use to to make them say that oh yeah look at him look you know look at this person right here he the greatest look at what all the shit that he did this is y'all greats but white greats they don't have that like tom cruise ain't gotta play the role of no fact he ain't wearing no dress or no shit like that you know what's his name did and he was a god for yes that fire um yeah but robins you know he was he killed himself when i started saying names like like we don't have but denzel and samuel right that doesn't and everybody else we got something no no pretty much right y'all forget about you you are not never not safe tell me brother don't for his will to come eat out now i love you man don't do that man hey man shout out for us i'm sorry i'm sorry for us if you know but i don't know why he's dumb down i don't know but i do know that when you go into you go into pop culture in america they're gonna try to turn a black male into a female that's the goal and you holding it down with chris brown because oh and dave chapel shout out dave chapel he don't play that shit yeah dave chapel man charlie murphy rest in peace charlie murphy he made it now he came out and said it too yeah that's what the type of shit they want you to do you know i'm saying but i take points away from the art when they got the rainbow or no no not when your narrative outside of the art is contrived it takes you down in my mind well chris brown and you know with his track record with the abuse with reon and all that that was a that was a bad boy image he had his bad boy phase uh yeah yeah he had his bad boy phase he was i think it was real though you think it was real i know i think yes i believe it was a we really got into it i don't know how can we say that about him and then say park didn't have real issues with different things i think i think park and and these other people stage theirs but i'm saying like i'm saying don't like benefit from this stuff park run up on people man like you aren't supposed to run listen man we are so did he kill did he kill did he shoot at some off-duty police officer not that is that you don't you don't shout at some off-duty police and they got one thing about him anything that he do it make it way to the paper some kind of way the whole world you say you shot at some more and chris brown did what he did it made his way to the paper any cut up at that news station too man you know these people is playing with chris behind the scenes they're playing with him man they trying to get him to act out first and he and he'll michael jackson that's who he think he yields a lot of people get borrow from uh yeah usher did too yeah it's a bunch of mic mic is unquestionably one of the greats of all time but it's just the elevated sense of reverence that they put on michael jackson without acknowledging the headlines in my opinion they go i get it i see what you're saying for like the things that they take all of this stuff out it michael jackson came mess with r kelly man i'm saying r kelly gonna sit up and play these songs i'm not gonna play with r kelly i don't do that but he's gonna play these songs and that's gonna be that i'm not gonna do that he's gonna play the song like turn this on michael jackson but he came right you know i'm saying this to this to do the rope song to michael jackson but he's right and then luther luther luther i can i cannot play with luther let me tell you something man luther is he's the exception because somebody gonna watch this and say damn you say it all that gay shit what about luther yeah don't worry about that don't worry about that luther van dross is called the cult we he's deserving of nothing but respect i don't know for a fact that he did nothing gay or i don't know nothing about that and don't nobody else know big luther and little luther luther van dross is one of the cultists and that's just just call it that and leave it alone and don't try to find and don't try to dig in dig in you dig on any don't dig on any of any of our patriarchs guys who are pinnacles in our time yeah they always look for ways to damage the the character of the man yeah let's not play about that yeah don't do it luther though all because he's really that cold no no no they deal with all of them the same when they come down to the the people who the the upper echelons the ones who you you don't you know we put ourselves in bad situations i don't but but but it's easy yeah it's very easy easier than any other culture any other color people that look like us it's easy for us to it's very easy i got to make sure i say this because to that what you're saying i was just telling somebody the other day um it's being in the jungle yeah right in the jungle you got porcupines you got flamingos you know you got lions black white people had any race any nationality has its advantages right the gifts that black people have the gift of influence um you know swag the ability to make i'm talking in specifically blacks in america get to tell the world what's cool and and all of this um this is what we have in lieu of being able to work together like other races can work together better than just different stuff like that don't take what we can't do or don't seem to be performing well at and make that the reason why we can't do nothing or you can't do nothing now we can do a lot agree let's know what we can do and be cold at it yeah and just deal with that and don't and don't try to i'm gonna get all of these people together and we're gonna do this right there and then hear this man come in and you know eat man he'll be on it you know doing what niggas do they do it right and now you may oh i tried all of it man you know that's what niggas do you know i'm saying just keep going i get it man top three artists of all time was chris brown r kelly and luther van dross because you said artist first luther right you didn't say rappers you say artists any art any anyone those are the three artists of all time nobody came chris brown i put him against anybody alive ever and it was he gonna kill him he gonna out dance better he gonna out dance him he looked better he everything he can he is nothing they can do to miss with chris brown if you feel to play music yeah there's nobody can mess with our only if michael jackson is dead if michael jackson is alive this conversation is totally different you say alive so uh you understand we got to come in front of my andros is dead no no he got to come in front of mic chris brown and deal with mic that's a problem man how many songs is mic gonna man mic gonna kill that nigga man i'm gonna lie to you man that nigga dead mic is gonna play how many songs mic gonna sing everything he ain't gonna dance on summer music gonna sit there and just whistle he might whistle we don't know mic don't kill that nigga man michael jackson is one of the greatest of all time yeah please make this part in there where i say that michael jackson is unquestionably one of the greatest artists of all time of all time i don't mean no disrespect what you're saying is a lot of people just jump on the bandwagon and don't even look into what was going on during the time so i respect what you're saying i see what you're coming from and and it's it's unfair to artists because they say oh yeah such and such good well he he you know if when i bring up michael jack i mean when i bring up chris brown sometime they'd be like be known women no they say that yeah they do say that well i mean not to me i'm not like if you look at your people who don't look like you yeah when they think of chris brown that was portrayed they're gonna say that i'm being honest but then i say again it's very easy for us to be depicted in a way because of yeah how we look but we gotta see past it i did and and and michael jackson i mean chris brown just from a talent standpoint man i don't just i don't think i don't think nobody's rocking with him right now i agree right now live let me tell you oh you said nobody like nobody can mess with yeah yeah yeah like you see you see what i'm saying you you really fell into the trap because we're older or more seasoned people they judge in it like i got people that i argue with about this and they say they start putting these metrics up that mike had they say mike man you know this like a movie he did this and that every chris brown video is a movie man this is the times we live in here this is man i'm an old school nigga man i seen mike slide across that flow on uh motown 25 and it was lit up the floor was lit up and that nigga like fire was coming the pendulum was them all were coming you know you you remember but i'm old look look them all were sliding man look like the nigga was on ice nostalgia everybody's got the nostalgia factor when they're talking about mike and cold man he was one of the coldest of all time that moonwalk did it that was it for me i was cool with mike all that i know you had it because everybody had one everybody wanted to be mike everybody did i even had a curl ain't gonna lie to you money but that was the time and it wasn't many outlets so he was the one star that we had we had nobody comparable to him you know let me pull you back into this music man okay bitches ain't shit yeah yeah yeah this is gonna go all the way from mike to that man that's what that was what you that's what that's one of your songs yeah uh what was that all about um i it's well it's uh uh i know it's a really i love it man right you know i just man i just turned it on and let's just go like my mentality when it comes to music is just just be ill take it crush it move on to the next one crush the next one go hard you know it showed you the best at it move on to the next shit i explained some shit in that song you know um like the coby brine situation missing piece coby i remember that you know there are certain females that uh would like to see you at a disadvantage simply because you not doing for them what you know what they feel like you should be doing we live in a time where it's simp culture is not is going around you know um it is the standard people are paying for female attention and all of that i'm talking about just straight transaction based paying for attention you know i'm saying so you know i like to highlight how you know how doing something like that or being in that kind of mentality this is the culture that is creates females believe in that you know well if you don't do it i'm looking for a way to one up you you know so you know a person meet coby brine in a in a uh you know in a at a physical therapy facility in colorado and you know y'all one thing lead to another i'm coby brine i don't want to do too much talk hey what's up you know you say it's all good you know y'all do whatever y'all do and here comes the rape allegations and all of this type of shit it's like and it's still that type of that same tactic it's yeah it's still going on today because you know people just don't just say you will slut just say it you know look i'm i slutted out with uh with him and he he really kind of you know oh i felt like it was gonna be you know so i wouldn't play it for a move i bust a move on coby you know a lot of people you know that she did say i'll be somebody uh do you have any youngsters anybody that's coming up yeah anybody do you influence and help any of these young kids i mean like reach back to them and try to show them the game because i mean you you definitely doing something right bro you feeding your family you you make money awful music right that's not something everybody doing i'm gonna keep putting that in your face because it's the true how are you helping anybody else don't say it like that the way you said it like you helping anybody um i mean for us i gotta help i'm gonna tell you bro like i'm gonna tell you like remember what i just told you about like nick bro did rap is like you know you watch sports a little bit okay you ever seen people watching football and say like man anything because he should have ran that way yeah you don't understand like concepts the concepts of what's going on why the man ran that way you're looking at the screen you can see everything from your little seat on the couch you see them what i'm saying is that a lot of the problem with um first of all no two paths are the same in this in rap um that's number one number two is when you're talking to people in this in rap they think they already know i get but you can't tell nobody nothing in this not until you or your god you bump your head or something too i got another i got another question rick rouse they might listen they're listening to rick rouse i'm gonna ask you i'm gonna ask you another question i was it came up on here last night very intense question uh the radio station down there i'm here and they don't play none of you guys's music and hadn't played them for years i can't say that shout out dj juice oh so see and that's the name that popped up last night and i gotta say bone bone was on him last night and he said he sold more records than anybody and in dalas when he came he got 50 spin bones she got no one bone now he said they played him but they played say they played him only 20 times when dalas and every even louisiana played him 70 80 times but you would think that from you being from east texas and they would have in east texas the two stations that are there that they would have said you know your own east texas local artists and played him even more than anybody else he's saying well he's saying our our local artists don't get the spins that was only him he's like driving through east texas and there are a lot of artists down there like you smoothie and you're smithy and all of that and you they don't play them and ckp ckp got six million views and he's saying call him that's like a song call them call them and see if they play his music right now he was like that that's what bone was telling me i'm like really uh and you know so radio radio is about um relationships between corporations right i always find it silly that somebody who is like on the ground level in a place in today 2021 what radio station you listen to i don't you don't listen to no radio station me neither i don't know nobody my wife is in a series yeah but when during that time we was listening to radio what i'm saying is hold on but okay go ahead and say that um but even today because i understood where he was coming from where the radio is concerned because like in east texas because when we're driving through east texas you know wi-fi and internet and stuff like that going away we go in and out and a lot of times the only thing you can really hear is the radio or when i used to actually go to work drive for here to there that's why you didn't want to listen to i'm not listening to my youtube all the time or any of that i'm listening to the easiest thing you turn on which is the radio because you want to hear whether traffic or you know whatever he turns on to music okay so a lot of times in those areas a lot of people still do listen to you know um except from some of the younger kids here in dallas they'll listen to your youtube and your spotify and all of that but in the country he was saying that a lot of people still do listen to the radio and the radio can help an artist in a lot of different ways to break an artist because because yes you're on again spotify apple and all of that people go to those platforms to listen to you but people who are driving who've never heard of you who don't who are not on those platforms if they hear the name they all know who to go look up you know what i mean and radio do brainwash you because there's a lot of songs how many times we do it's called programming right if you you heard a song for the first time he's like oh that's trash yeah but they played so darn much that by the end of the week you're like you're singing that song i think the only person only people that listen to uh radio is people in the penitentiary i think penit the radio is some penit i don't it's not necessary out here i i all of the complaints like the majority of the complaints that i hear from artists out you know like oh you know they ain't playing it's like and they fired up about explaining to you why man you know radio and you know they playing this person in there and it's like you having this conversation and you putting that energy into it but you know you ain't did all what you need to do you can form a relationship at the radio um if you got some money you can get that song he said he said he said you can he could drop 10 000 on this still ain't gonna pay he's texas artist that's a lot he said that he say they'll take your money but they ain't for the day for the push it like i said they ain't for taking my damn money bro you know i'm saying that ain't gonna happen bro you don't have to worry about stuff like that shout out to the brother whoever told you that man yeah that's bone but shout out to bone yeah i got my bag shout out bone ten thousand dollars is getting that song played on a schedule you you taking ten thousand dollars to the radio you're dealing with the you're dealing with the program and director they're gonna put your song on a schedule you're gonna know exactly when it's gonna come on you can play ten thousand songs in a market like east texas or get that song played all year long ten thousand ten thousand dollars in houston or get your song played uh depending on if you wanted to play uh on the weekends shows or on what ten thousand dollars to get your your radio your song played on the radio on houston for about two months man yeah yeah it's just plain and simple this business it's been anybody used to know that's in houston i'm coming east texas it's easier to get your music playing east texas is different it's easier to get your music played in east texas than it is to get it played in a big city okay so um i want to say something what you want to say no because i used to always think that um before that the radio was extinct it's getting extinct i've always it was going it was going different but then i remember um we had a radio talk show host i mean a radio host which one j cruz j cruz who came on and said it or vido is free that's what he said he said at the end of the day whenever you know people still gotta pay their cell phone bills people gotta um to get on wi-fi and all unless they stop over starbucks and try to get into their you know something like to get on wi-fi most of the time all of that is not free so for a person who can't afford certain things and whatever at the same time they have the radio the radio is free you can just click it on and you can so that's one platform that you can always listen to and hear something compared to something you have to pay for when something is free i read this a long time ago and it applies to everything uh when something is free you're what's being sold so if something is free to you you're the one that's being sold so radio is selling ears and listeners and they that's what they're selling to advertiser that's the business model so what radio wants to do the business of radio is we need something we need songs and content that bring listeners to the radio station some unknown artists in this market may do it drake is gonna do it so what we're gonna do is do the relationship with the the major companies and their artists we're gonna use them so that it's a money back and forth between radio which is only clear channel and radio one is the only radio stations that it is and they own all of the other radio stations and lists that you know just little pop-ups or whatever so again it's all around the united states it's the same songs me and play these songs are from the major labels so when somebody is like outside of that machine and saying hey you need to play me in this Dallas market like screaming and yelling I would say that it's a bet in today's time it's a better use of your energy because you can agree you could be on a Spotify playlist you could be on on the iTunes but you can talk straight to him yeah I know it's a lot of it's a lot of things you can do I don't think that you should let that be it's always something going on there's like not good or whatever right so you want to be on that you're gonna not figure it out let me ask you this right here man because you you you say a Kiki name a lot of times that's my dog yeah yeah that's your dog he'll rap fanatic DJ screw I love this boy so I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about these boys in Houston for a minute they had a run man I ain't saying they have the same run now because it's a little different times and change but that was a time when they had a hell of a run man and you know Kiki can rap too what you're gonna do when Kiki step in the booth against you we don't bring down through that yeah yeah yeah yeah you say you the best I mean you you all all come I'm gonna put Kiki yeah right there that's your boy I'm gonna do it just like that clash of the Titans yeah little Kiki shout out little Kiki yeah I'm gonna put him right there yeah and then they're gonna rap dog yeah yeah for sure man I love you man he ain't even like like man he's so cool man I never met him I never met Tray in a couple of Kiki like he moved like the way he moving is like the whole he and others okay have helped me to see the real thing about this stuff and not the bullshit because I could name a name but I don't want to name a name but I'ma just say a rapper just a any rapper that's really popping on the internet right and you may like uh yeah this dude here this dude like he really doing his thing that's what you would think and you would think that this person is more popular or more relevant you know than the Kiki's or the Slim Thugs or whatever the world but then when you scroll down they page you're not seeing no flyers you're not seeing no drops when is the show these people that a lot of people believe that are really doing well man a lot of these people sell drugs and they not really know it and and the thing I I agree with you 110 but when you a real real cat and you be around you get around them you can tell that a lot of them are immature a lot of them don't really deal with their own business I see through all of it because I'm a business dude you know I'm saying so I've been around them so I don't be I'm straight thinking you know when I come in the room it's all about me I ain't gonna lie to you yeah yeah no man you got a great man yeah I see what's going on oh man this is bad you know but it's but I feel bad for them too because I know that a lot of time to get caught up in so much into their art that they don't their business savvy don't balance out with it I'm being real yeah but to go along with that you got it I ain't to go along with that people don't make music that people like they got antics this is all two pockets in Michael Jackson fall they done created this this this where people believed in all of this other they doing all of this different other stuff and they you know they they putting up but out there in the world people not listening to your music though they not listening to what you got to say or they they not feeling like you know you really represent them because artistry really is about representation it's about people relating to what you're talking about and feeling that you are it's like campaigning it's like being a politician you represent me you know so at that point you know the the people again like every every successful artist represents a um a culture of individual uh a kind of person or people believe that that's them he speaks for them you know and I just feel like people got it fucked up they plan another kind of game versus let me make the best music let me be true to myself man you could say man I like watching uh friends I like you know whatever whatever your uh preferences is if you really go into yourself and be real about it it's going to be a lot of people that's just like that but everybody is playing the fake role not being vulnerable not open themselves up as a I done made all my mistakes publicly and openly they know I'm a damn fool so it's nothing for me to get out there and say it and to express it because it's like everything I've done I've done it openly there's nothing I can say that D don't know or or whoever's around me at the time they can tell oh yeah you know who this and that so without there being no cap it allows me to make the best music I'm not trying to put on a roll you know and I just kind of think that uh at the end of the day it's a lot of people they're just trying to they're looking to trick us into uh believing that they something not they got all this counterfeit money they done got somebody ready to cause prop money yeah prop money you know you got a question yes okay I was told that you've watched a lot of her episodes yes almost all of her episodes no not almost all that's a hundred something that I've been putting them all up baby how many how many episodes do you think you've watched I watched Trilly Pope shout out Trilly Pope watch uh yeah shout out Trilly I watched Smoothie Smoothie Poppy uh I watched pretty much all the clips with Sean Cotton yeah yeah yeah I'm just clipping it I ain't even giving it to you yeah yeah stop playing and put that out man teasing teasing everybody Terry blue shout out mom Terry blue Terry is my name yeah I talked to him yesterday what else uh I started on the mr. Lucci okay yeah yeah the first episode of the same because he had a part one and two like you by dad the part yeah the part the part one it was the uh I know it's 47 minutes and something it's saved in my wisdom yeah and I got I got into that real good shout out took two while I'm up thank you thank you so much man yeah so what do you think about our platform and what we do if you continue and you don't stop this is what they tell me what and this is like I take this list and everything if anyway right keep going okay if you don't my work together right it was an if over there a little bit for me no if you don't stop you're gonna go far if you do stop or slow down you're going backwards if you remember that it's gonna be on that's all y'all already shout out negative Sean I told him I was gonna remember wow um I never heard of him but I had to look him up negative Sean he's a monster you ain't gotta look him up because he'll find you you know okay yeah uh but shout out negative Sean when I told him that I was coming here today he was like damn they're moving fast yeah so he knew about us yeah okay it ain't happening up here without him knowing okay he's the the the negative blogger man wow negative Sean so I was the best rapper of all time that's what made Lee reach out to me from what Lisa Lisa a lot of people tell me they try to take credit with saying like I told Lee about you a long time ago type shit but um Lee told me personally that when negative Sean say you was the best rapper in Texas negative Sean is his nigga name that tells you everything yeah negative Sean say I did the best rapper in Texas wow that's a big that's a big statement man and he like I gotta see who the fuck but no I went what the hell did you tell him I get but I negative Sean is not he's not lying though I mean far as your lyrical ability man I'm telling you I listen to music man I ain't gonna lie it's something about the way you do it bro I ain't lying and and and negative Sean is right like you're you're a special type of guy and I know people be trippin I wish I was from Dallas don't matter where you from he just he won't he just I just wish you I'm liking it I'm he's taken to the heart bro I don't play like that man bro you know how I am you've been watching the show you already know listen everything we do like I said we don't really I don't think they give us have given us the true credit but we got to take it with guys like you I feel comfortable in the situation yeah yeah we're gonna be all right yeah you know I'm saying so I get I get why I say Dallas is East Texas yeah I agree with that too you know and I love Dallas don't get don't get it to I've been here for a long time bro I work and dealt with this city for many years but I also know that everything I ever started started at home bro yeah for me and that's just where it and it pops here too and in Houston I done been everywhere bro selling I'm like you yeah I mean I'm gonna go get it I was at all of nights and all this other stuff young my record 35,000 out of truck in three days bro yeah I'm a hustler man yeah I come from nothing man yeah and I did that with clothes yeah I didn't tell you what I did with that other stuff man I'm just telling you I go here man and I know Pem C is yo I mean I love that dude I love him because of being at the track meeting Dangerfield I heard him for the first time that's when we what it's because of the way he dealt with Texas that's how it is bro I mean he when other people were looking down on us and I think that's the why Jay Prince like him like he do it's just the way he eels man as a person it's a it's a thing the way it's like a project he dropped his nuts it's a protective guard over you're not gonna do this to us and you're gonna respect us for who we are and if you don't then you know what else you can do that's the way you were that's the way I seen it artistry I just think that he was definitely a vanguard like just at the front of it like showing like because it takes a certain kind of bravery to that's it to be like all right I'm putting this out I stand by this this is what's jamming it sounds nothing like anything else right that's right there and that's what I'm saying these artists that want to this goes back into like what we were saying about are you you know what do you reach out and tell them and all this you know how do you who is you talking to yeah it's hard to talk to somebody that's not fearless yeah who's playing it safe check it out playing it safe I mean the thing about even the guy that spoke last night said uh yesterday it was like mumble wrap you know this mumble wrap or something he was like he's talking about amigos and I was like I don't play like that you don't say listen bro I don't play like that because I know already just because I don't sound like somebody else that everybody familiar with right I'm not gonna put that stick on it cuz my niggas getting down and at the end of the day they evolved right now they from where we at they in the south they might sound we sound different but but cat like you I'm putting you up against anybody I ain't trying to hear it I'm gonna go get them but I'm just saying I'm not gonna dumb down what these brothers is doing because that's what was happening with PMC then during the time when they was doing what they were doing and he's seen that and and that's what we're missing like somebody just stepped up and said nigga we don't care nothing about y'all saying mumble wrap these cats going in in the world accepting them you know what I mean is you know the ones that that but I do understand criticism and I understand that somebody is saying you ain't shit like somebody you know they're just like me like when I say something about Michael Jackson like something they're gonna look you up they for to look at your music let me see with this nigga LD 300 where you can find it man I'm going on you too I'm gonna leave I'm gonna leave some terrible comments you know but you know uh it's it's this is the sport for me yeah so um you know I like to hear it and if somebody has something negative to say about something that I just want to hear it explained yeah I'm not somebody that want to hear only the good and I listen to people I'm talking about the opinions of people who I don't agree with yeah yeah I want to hear like I just feel we live in a time where nobody likes to hear like uh an opinion different from their own their own yeah and and I don't really have that luxury because I argue with all of my homies oh yeah yeah yeah everybody I can tell whoever it is I can tell I can tell we sitting around it's gonna go there and then and then I call and say it yeah yeah yeah hey what's up I got something I want to say yeah you know you they know I think this here you know I mean like I said when you came to me about the views I was like you're right like I really need to start asking that question because a lot of them the money where's the money at and what do you do and I've gotten some answers and someone was reflective time still in the streets I'm being real and just in this little smaller time with me and you talked about this here it goes right here here goes a clip for you selling right when you don't put your stuff in the market the marketplace is where we gonna find out who's who and what's what the marketplace so when you don't think uh enough of yours my I got a 10 album us drive you see I'm gonna all right this one okay let's talk about this one right here this USB okay yeah yeah you keep that okay thank y'all you know so here we go this USB drive right here got my first 10 albums on it I made an album when I got out in the first time I got out me and Kiki did uh me and Kiki my homeboy came we did a mix tape before so I wasn't even out for that car 300 reasons for war okay what I'm saying is if you know that your craft is at a certain level and I you know what this said for how much this is $60 right here wow what you mean wow because it got the songs on it right yeah he's got 10 albums on there but you saying wow as if what no that's a good price for 10 albums for compared to where oh okay we used to be well I'm just making sure we don't say wow like you feel like it's pricey no no because I'm gonna tell you this here when you look at 10 albums back in the day that was a lot that was that was 60 that was more than 60 it was about $20 bucks do you have to put about I'm looking back CDs I'm I'm going back to my CD era yeah my cassette era is about the same as the CD era people don't realize that but it was just was a conversion well if they get you know damn 10 10 albums yeah well this is my okay but this is my first 10 albums and the whole point that I'm trying to make about it I've never seen nobody use these open it up see that how yeah there you go I'm trying to pull you gotta pull open pop it pop it open yeah yeah I don't want to break it you can't break it I like to see people do this because this is what I get all the time pop it open did you pop it pop it the other way damn so this is what people be going through okay let me see here you gotta you need a tutorial of how to do that I do it it's online and oh it's about to say see pop it so anyway okay you pop that is it yeah you put that in your in your usb driving your car replaced to your you know through your system in your car that's cool I hadn't seen that before yeah you know I'm saying so what I'm trying to say about that is that in the marketplace in the real world where the customers are when they pan for it and telling you is dope and you have a starting point and you keep going and you refine your you know you refine everything about your selling process and uh that you know the music making process and all of that and you see it grow and you see it okay I got more customers oh this is what I need them because they're looking for this once you have a good report with them just like I said my clothes exactly and it and it goes and it goes and it goes but what do you tell somebody who gives everything for free give everything away that they got for free and they steady telling you with a straight face in your eye they pan for the studio time whatever they doing whatever the even even I've seen people come on here okay and say oh yeah man the shows pick man my shows I'm doing my shows yeah they're getting that show money they're getting that show money how do you they get that show money even during COVID yeah and I'm saying to myself how much do you got a car note do you got like what what what all do you got because are you making enough on shows is what I'm saying and if if you get paid five hundred dollars for that show or a thousand dollars for that show what did you wear to the show how much did that cost like you're a rapper you got to be on some rap you know shout out king's cloth uh I like that I like that what you got yeah this is my first time like being like sponsored like yeah can I talk about it yeah can I talk yeah they you know king's cloth I did purchase something at first and then I reached out and like you know now I'm pulling rap strings hey man what's up man I need hey man I got shit to do what's up and I need you know any you know but shout out king's cloth they just uh Stephen Jackson they you know been tone Trump you know uh Muslim attire but whatever just fly for the but what I'm trying to say is this in the marketplace you can become yourself out there in the marketplace if you go get you some clothes and they ain't selling we ain't ordering no more of them right what the hell you're gonna keep all them for they ain't they ain't buying that we got to switch it up right okay if you're making music as an artist and you know you're sitting are you telling me that you the colors to do it and all of this shit they say when they get right here where I'm sitting there right now man I'm gonna call me that why y'all ain't recognizing me what man y'all you really got me fucked up and what and then it's a back and forth and it's a dialogue and it's fun and it's spirited but what did you say oh man do you got anything for sale is you making some money with that what you're doing this them real conversations man I'm having a mess bro listen I had a conversation with uh Robert Gilliman shout out uh southwest digital I was supposed to go down there we're gonna have some more meetings you know what they want to what they want to talk about is seeing proof in order to get a deal they just want to see the proof of your sales of course we got the proof of the sales so oh you're doing this much we believe you can do this much so we willing to put that investment in to do that we just want to see where you at with this type of stuff you know I'm saying but if you're not in the game like you're not putting you ain't selling nothing so you don't got no history of nothing but some stuff that you got on the internet that you got this your music on the same platform with all of the biggest in the world is paying for your views and stuff like that I think you came out you know think about this for a minute when you came out you came out different because these people have been influenced by what's going on and you basically came out at a time to where you was able to adapt to it in a way to where it could do benefit what you were doing it gotta make it gotta make it gotta make sense man I'm gonna tell you because when uh and and my brother was like yeah man he ain't done chief would do a hell of an album together I'm like really he like he like y'all both spitting something so real yeah and talking about the you know the way you came up or he came and it'll be a dope album yeah I'll say yeah I could see that you know yeah so um he said he lived in the real world yeah you know that's what he kept telling me as he was interviewing he said man I live in the real world man I don't know nothing about the internet the way like that they doing so the transition for him was a task you know because he was out here and he was doing the cds and he was you know then the transition to streaming and yeah you know what I mean so they they was out here facing that yeah you know you you didn't have to deal with that because you came home and you the night when did you come home February 25 25 2019 yeah I mean March 25 2019 but you know what I'm saying no it was that was a transition that really took a toll on them it had to because they were really moving units and stuff like that well if you got your mind made up that you're gonna be a rapper you're gonna live up under a bridge yeah if you let that be the thing and you don't give yourself no plan B it'll start it'll start making sense to you'll start moving in the right direction but if you got if you got all of these different things that you're gonna allow yourself to do well I'm gonna just sell me some weed until it you know why am I just going here and I'm gonna do this here to you know well that's what you're gonna be doing until you know yeah but you're not gonna make no real headroom and this if you're not fully committed because it takes too much time well let me ask you this um where where can people get a hold of you at bars on your social right on my social media at ad died 300 um just DM me and we're gonna get it on and that's what we that's what we do on whether it be on Facebook whether it be on uh Instagram um just hit me up DM me get your like I always say DM for your order gonna millions gonna hit you in the head and in a day and a half or two whatever the USP is put it in rock out to it let me know you know am I tripping am I might be tripping I might not be the best we love you man man we love you and once you come on here yeah you can always come back you will call me and I'm for to come on okay we'll get up there we yeah we love y'all we love hard bro man I appreciate that we just being who we are yeah and keep doing what y'all doing thank you man because that energy that y'all got just to defend like it's just unbeatable it's no way you can lose and this is the longest interview we've ever had what is it how long hours long damn I don't I don't mind it mean you I do we don't mind I knew you I mean I wanted to hear I wanted to hear what you had to say and I knew I could do a part one and part two and that's I'm working part three part four no just part one but yeah you know and then I can grab my little pieces out of there I want to make make my little skid to it to where we can talk about Michael Jackson right now thank you for coming on the show man God bless you and your family man yeah and if you ever need us you got my number yeah you know we've been here for 15 years serving a black on being this serving nobody we wasn't getting a lot of people we got the same core customer base that supported us we just started seeing these people like this man but it didn't matter because I had my wife I didn't care about that God God supplied all my needs according to you started with your core hold up you talking my language yeah I started my core the people that I deal with you had your core customers yeah I seen them grow up yeah 10 years from we've been here you see some that come in here at at 11 or 10 not 8 23 some of them go to prison to the feds come back home hey you still here oh man yeah I was in there thinking by the way I used to shop here bro and they come back in his love yeah I'm gonna pass away I've seen all this in the Hispanic community white we had stores where we catered to only people uh mostly white but I had white district managers uh and and I dealt with it like that too in certain places but this here is the second store we done first one was cast count by cast county bank in uh queen city yeah and then this one and then we did the one then I did the one in uh no turtle two and yeah so it it goes on and on and on but the deal is we've been serving the community here for a lot of years man and and I thank God that we get new people in and people that that that say they some just come for the for the podcast but once you come in and we love you man yeah you can't you can't get enough of us because we just being 100 you know what y'all gonna win man I hope so man and we already won if we we talk to you today I'm gonna be real with you I look at things from a different perspective you gonna your energy after that is just all about perfected the craft and and just mashing the gas and never stopping yeah that's it well if you need us like I say we hear man I and I really mean that I'm a realist brother you say he I'm in Austin when I come through Austin right or wherever if you in uh Houston wherever I'm gonna be like where you at man I pull up you know yeah I ain't going out with you to no clubs I don't do none of that I know you gotta do that though you gotta go do it we that's the only way you know what I'm saying but I don't do I don't do nothing so I'm lame I'm a I'm a little square in the circle right but I mean you know but I'm I'm I'm here for you anyway we can't be me and my family you know man this is fun man I hope so man and like I said I hope it ain't our last time doing it I don't think I don't believe it will yeah so if you have an artist like you was talking about getting a artist make sure if you guys a show going on in Dallas when you hear that I got an artist you know that he's a dog or she gotta be or she she gotta be going she gotta be like I know that with you and when I still went up like man I'm riding with this person it's gonna be the biggest person ever yeah so like I said you welcome to come back through and bring hold on hold on hold on hold on you gotta understand about videographers okay videographers are the real gatekeepers to this game have you okay DJs no more okay did you see you've been seeing my show I'm no I was the one bringing them on I got Cam God I got a he day yeah I got I got one visually right I got it you got all up okay well I'm gonna go back on that but HD 21 visuals uh who a little bit media media Giovanni the god I deal with I like the behind the scene okay that's another videographer yeah that's my videographer you gotta send him to my way I sure will he's in he's based in Houston Texas okay he is the best down there okay um Dizzy Miyake just look at my Dizzy Miyake filmed by Miyake he's the best I was squad oh oh it's the best uh prophecy prophecy all of them is tonight you I'm pretty sure you'll get half pine after a while already did you already got him look man you're not gonna miss me but I'm working and it's it's a it's a different interview like I'm gonna go back and look at you but look at mine it's gonna be totally different yeah it's us in here we in here and we're talking and it's a good conversation okay well you got all of them people that mean yeah I need your god yeah that's right yeah film uh film by Miyake Dizzy Miyake I just left him last night and we do a lot of producers we do a lot of engineers we'll do anybody behind the scenes yeah I'm gonna let him know because he comes up here and shoots a lot they they book him up here yeah next time he come up here he come he's yes he's gotta just gotta let me know give me a couple days so I can get everything straight yes sir yes sir I want to see him man yeah okay now now I'm good now I didn't got everything off my chest all right well you coming back I ain't tripping on you man that's right man it's been another great segment of boss talk 101 yeah man we out