 بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم الله مصل على محمد وآل محمد السلام عليكم ديو يوز ورحمة الله وبركاته مرحباً لكم في مجموعة الآن لدى لندن مع لدينا جاستي دكتا سيد أمار النقشواني نقوم بتفكير بعض المشاركات في حجم آهل ربط ون彎 today نتفكر في حياة والهجم وقلال فاطمات الزهراء بيس أم بلسنكس بيأبوناها سيدنا لنبدأ the program with a question around the theme of Fatamiyah I want to understand how do you see how have we taken religion and evolved it around Fatumat al-Zahra have we put enough emphasis on Fatumat al-Zahra in our religion I think in the Muslim world there can be a bit more emphasis on the role of Fatumat al-Zahra عليه السلام I think the very fact that she's mentioned as one of the four women of heaven or one of the four women of paradise highlights to us the stature that this lady was held in the religion of Islam especially in the nasan period in that early period where you're looking for personalities who are role models for us there is no doubt that you don't need to look any further than the lady of light and when she's placed alongside if not above the likes of Asya the wife of Far'aun Maryam the mother of Christ Khadija peace be upon her when she's placed alongside these great women and then is even known to be greater than all of these women according to the traditions of the Prophet and his family this gives us an indication that there is a need for us to dissect who Fatumah is much of the discussions of Fatumat al-Zahra in our communities revolve around her being the daughter of the Prophet so she must be great peace be upon him and his family or her being the wife of Imam Ali عليه السلام so she must be great but that's just greatness by association we don't really look at her life and how she is great herself exactly we want to know what is it that made her reach that level where the Prophet peace be upon his family stresses she's a part of me whoever angers her angers me whoever pleases her pleases me and so I think within our communities especially in the world today where even Muslim and non-Muslim women are looking for that person who's able to balance their family life able to balance their spirituality able to balance their communal time and service back towards society at large I think more and more emphasis needs to be placed on Fatumat al-Zahra عليه السلام and on the many facets of her character Fatumah the wife Fatumah the mother Fatumah the lady involved in interfaith dialogue Fatumah the lady who sees the first days of the trials and tribulations of the religion of Islam Fatumah who is involved in the world of politics I think a lot of the myths that we have built as Muslims are shattered by the Islam of Fatumah al-Zahra look at the difference between Muslims and Islam we as Muslims have built our communities in a way where there's a particular Fatumah al-Zahra we want to take and a lot of Fatumah al-Zahra we want to ignore pick and choose so we've literally picked and chosen which of Fatumah al-Zahra عليه السلام we feel maybe relates to our world view and is not necessarily what she envisaged yeah but you did mention earlier as well that we usually see Fatumah al-Zahra peace and blessings be upon her as a wife or as a daughter but how important was the relationship between her and Rasool Allah it's an amazing relationship and it's one which is to be seen as being even more important because she grows in a period which is extremely difficult for him remember she is in reality and her lineage until today is a gift given by Allah سبحانه وتعالى to the Holy Prophet peace be upon him and his family when the Holy Prophet kept on being called Abta we know that the word Abta what does it mean Abta means when a tale of an animal is cut they used to say that that animal is Abta and because the Holy Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and his family because his children died at a young age you would find that some of the people how would they mock him they would keep saying whenever he'd walk past them Abta saying he has no lineage no lineage now when someone keeps insulting you with that insult it's difficult why one of the most difficult circumstances in the life of any human being is either a miscarried child or a child who is born dies upon or on the period of their birth or a child that may die in infancy it's a very difficult time especially for the mother so that father walks around Mecca and has this group of people headed by Al-Aas Bin Wa'il and you've got others around of the aristocrats of Mecca who keep insulting him by calling him Abta and Abta and what's interesting is that this isn't the only insult that he's receiving at the time when this insult is leveled at him one of the ways in which Allah سبحانه وتعالى answers him or answers them as well is by saying we have given you an abundance they're saying that your lineage is cut because your boys have died I'll tell you what we'll break all of their stereotypes and prejudices we're gonna make your lineage continue through a woman through a woman through your daughter until today you will see the great grandchildren of Fatima تزهرة عليه السلام only her from the daughters of Rasool Allah when people keep mentioning زينا بن رقيا أم كل ثوم and they're like why do people only mention Fatima why don't they mention the other daughters of the Holy Prophet peace be upon his family فاضر زهر عليه السلام الله blessed her that she's the only daughter of the Prophet peace be upon his family lives after him and has a lineage that continues until today if you look at the royal family for example of Morocco they are from the descendants of Fatima تزهرة if you look at the royal family of Jordan because sometimes our community assume that only the Shi'a can be called Sayyids for example or only the Shi'a are to be known as the descendants of the Ahlul Bayt عليه السلام whereas you find in Morocco in Jordan different parts of the world there are descendants of the Ahlul Bayt عليه السلام from the lineage of Fatima تزهرة I believe they call them Sharifs some in Morocco yes there are people who are called Sharifs notably those who for example may have been from the grandchildren of Imam Al-Hassan عليه السلام but then of course this can extend also to Sharifs not from the line of Imam Al-Hassan عليه السلام so what you have is that Allah سبحانه وتعالى when he said Allah سبحانه وتعالى replies to those who are insulting the Prophet now who is the medium who Allah سبحانه وتعالى uses as the reply and that's Fatima تزهرة but then as the Prophet slowly begins to spread the message further and tell more people about the religion of Islam the insults continue to increase and really his source of solace is خديجة and his Du'a to Fatima if you look at the ayah in the Quran for example the famous ayah أرأيت اللذي ينهى عبدا إذا صلى have you seen the one who insults our servant while he's in his prayer they used to throw the feces of an animal on the head of the Holy Prophet peace be upon him and his family and I ask you who was it that used to wash that feces away from his head who was it that used to clean up after him who was it that when his uncle أبو لهب and his wife used to put the firewood in front of the Holy Prophet peace be upon his family who was it that would ensure that that firewood would be removed so the Prophet doesn't trip over it many people don't realize that Fatima صلى الله عليه وسلم in the first 10 12 year in the first one would argue in the first 6 7 years of her life in particular face the most difficult period any daughter could ever face her father is being insulted do you know very well if your father now was being insulted by a member of the community it hurts you whoosh it hurts anyone if their father for example is insulted by a member of their community and you have here with Fatima صلى الله عليه وسلم her father is insulted regularly she sees her mother go through a period of starvation she was only a couple of years old at the time her mother and the شعب of أبو طالب you know sometimes we complain in our life we say things like you know what our life is too difficult you know the flat or the house or the condo that we live in is not as great as we can have it many people don't realize that the lady who turned out to be the greatest lady in Islamic history was a lady who in the first couple of years of her life was living under economic sanctions like some people of Iraq have lived under economic sanctions like some people for example of you know other countries in the Middle East have lived under economic sanctions this lady couple of years of age she lives under economic sanctions then her mother خديجة guys yeah we never hear anyone talk about her relationship with her mother خديجة who always had a relationship with her رسول الله عن خديجة and رسول الله عن فاطمة الزهراء but we never actually hear not on a member not anywhere in fact about the relationship فاطمة الزهراء with خديجة how was that relationship how did she take the death of her mother it's extremely difficult that the moment when she realizes that her mother's died remember she's only five years of age and you can't wish that on anybody at that age to see their mother die and the narration show us these exchanges between her and the prophet peace be upon him and his family where she realizes that you know what I've lost my mother there is a thought in the back of her head any daughter would want her mother with her on her wedding day her mother has died but I think more wonderfully she sees her mother in the middle of a patriarchal arrogant male society very confidently stand up for her rights as a woman today there are many different forms of feminism that you see which have emerged and each and every one of them in one way or the other seeks to either bring justice in the battle between the sexes or seeks to bring a sense of equality or seeks to recognize the rights of the woman of that society and how these rights if they are trampled on there needs to be people who speak out and I think with her mother if you look at one of the biggest influences in her life it's her mother because with her mother her mother not only is able to balance the household being married to the prophet peace be upon him and his family she's also able to manage a business and she's also got this altruism which affects فاعتمت الزهراء a lot in her life what we call in Arabic إيثار إيثار is a great probably the greatest form of generosity in Islamic ethics you know sometimes if you talk of someone generous in Islam you say دي يار كريم or دي يار جواد or دي يار سخي but altruism the person who is known for their إيثار for their altruism she learns this from her mother خديجة because the holy prophet peace be upon him and his family says in the famous narration that Islam would not have spread were it not for the wealth of خديجة and the sword of إيمام علي عليه السلام and so what happens is in those early years with her mother she forms a bond and a friendship and she looks at the sacrifices that her mother has given for that religion that's not the prophet peace be upon him and his family the year that his wife dies I think if it's not for the likes of فاعتمت الزهراء عليه السلام being in his life because remember later he says she's the mother of her father أم أبيها now a mother what is she a mother is a source of warmth for us a mother is a source of compassion for us a mother is a source of generosity for us a mother is a source of empathy for us many of us with our mothers when we're down we look towards our mothers when you're looking for a smile you just look at your mother when you want to talk to someone you know your mother will always be there sometimes your mother doesn't even do anything and you notice the sacrifice in her and so the Holy Prophet peace be upon his family when he says that she's the mother of her father in a way one may argue that those early years in Mecca with سيدة خديجة عليه السلام's death and with أبو طالب in the same year عليه السلام's death in the same year which the Holy Prophet refers to as the year of grief I think that at that moment فاعتمت الزهراء عليه السلام you know when you're young and you face tribulations you mature much quicker of course you know you'll see I remember أبل فضل العباس's wife لبابا لبابا the wife of أبل فضل العباس عليه السلام saw her brothers assassinated in front of her when she was young and I think later on what keeps her strong in the midst of all the difficulties is that at a young age she has seen trials فاعتمت الزهراء عليه السلام at the age of two is living in the valley of أبو طالب with economic sanctions at the age of five becomes an orphan and I think that's why in our lives whenever we go through issues of anxiety issues of mental health issues of depression I think that's the beauty of how إيمان can be one of the helpers for us because إيمان what does it do إيمان provides you with that lesson and that belief that there are others who've come before you who face tests like the ones you're facing including فاعتمت الزهراء عليه السلام one may think that why would Allah سبحانه وتعالى need to test فاعتمت الزهراء فاعتمت الزهراء will never disobey Allah سبحانه وتعالى you don't really think of it from the angle but sometimes مام الباقر says عليه السلام when Allah loves his servant He drowns them in the sea of suffering when Allah loves his servant it sounds paradoxical when Allah loves his servant He drowns them where in the sea of suffering it's as if sometimes if you want to know if you're a real believer you see how much you're tested how much you're tested and you look at the يهل البيت عليه السلام it's the embodiment of the ayah ظهر القرآن لذا دوانكم بشيء من الخوف والجوء ونقص من الأموال أن الأنفوه ستة مرات ببدن الله وضع دي أنسي وبشر الصابرين الذين إذا أصابتهم مصيبة قالوا إنه لله وإنه إليه راجعون لذا أعتقد أن أمها لا يوجد فاعتمت فاعتمت مصلمة في العالم اليوم أعتقد أن أمها ترى أمها على حياتها لديها مجرد على حياتها نعم تعلم أن الوحيات بين فاعتمت الزهراء ونها أمتها كانت جداً ورسول الله في حجرة من مكة مدينة فاعتمت فاعتمت الزهراء أمها كانت ممعالي في ذلك السيطوح أعتقد أنه أول مرة أن هناك أسطن مجرد بين الأمين التي يتعب with لديهم مجرد أسطن لديهم لكن هناك مجرد لأن أنها ترى أنها ترى أنها ترى أنها ترى أنها ترى أكتر منذ عام بعد هذا المحج لكنها ترى أنها ترى و that night of the migration of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, it is a family with force of Mecca to Medina Prophet Muhammad peace be upon his family migrates from Mecca to Medina because he realizes that patience is the better course than raising a sword at this time Now someone could easily say that's a sign that he's a coward I'm saying this because we're going to come to this later عندما إمام علي أكوزه بالنسبة يجب أن يكون الشخص الذي يجب أن يكون فيه أفضل وليد ابن المغير أبو جهل أبو لهب أتبى بن ربيع عن الألعك ولكن لا، فهي يفكي، أعلم ما؟ دعنا نحاول يوجد أشياء أكبر ويوجد أصدقائي أني يجب أن يقوم بشكل جيد ويجب أن يستطيع أن يستطيع أن يقوم بشكل جيد ويجب أن يمتلك من المغير الشخص الذي يتعلمنا على الثانية ويجب أن الله يتبعه بشكل جيد لما لن نجد أن يجب أن يستطيع إصدقائي في بعض الأساس لا تتبعون فيه الله سيجعل أخرى الضوء لك you know sometimes a person when you ask them why are you not religious they say you know, the area I live is not a religious area if I lived in Karbala or I lived in Najaf or I lived in Qom or I lived in Mashhad أو قاهرة أو مدينة ، سأكون رليجيسة. أعتقد أننا جميعا نفعيل أن حتى في هذه المنطقة أنت ستجد شخص الذي ستفعيل أنه ليست بالطبع لرليجين. حقاً ، إذا كنت في مجرد من المنطقة where you feel that you're not establishing in your life the tenets of the religion of Islam and following the code of conduct of the religion then Allah shows you even with your holy prophet peace be upon his family that my land is vast enough, go somewhere else even Tabligh as مبلغ you may be reciting for example poetry in your area and you're not achieving success travel elsewhere and recite that poetry you may be reciting a Qur'an in your area but no one takes the notice of you reciting a Qur'an you may be lecturing in your area people don't take notice of you lecture elsewhere number three when he migrates as well he realizes that maybe if I'm not flourishing here I'll migrate towards the land of Medina there's grave danger on his life there's many different tribes want to stab him that night and he asks Imam Ali peace be upon him to sleep in his bed that night famous narration in Sunni and Shi'a tradition that Imam Ali sleeps in his bed that night and when they come to remove the cover of the bed they see Imam Ali peace be upon him there it's not like Imam Ali is in a state of grief you know there's no need for God to reveal a verse saying لا تحزن not at all on the contrary if I die I die on the path of Allah he gladly took that place gladly there's no issues there God doesn't need to reveal a verse saying do not grieve nor does he need to remind him that Allah is with him on the contrary ومن الناس من يشر نفسه ابتغاء مرضات الله there are those who sell their soul for the pleasure of Allah you won't find them grieving at any moment or in any difficulty willing to sacrifice themselves in any scenario any scenario they're never scared that what will happen if this person finds out that I'm in this position or if they're gonna kill us no, not at all if you guys have the guts fight me my name is Ali son of Abu Talib but until the day he died that's enough only a coward struck him while he's in his prostration now when he manages to get out of that situation the Holy Prophet peace be upon his family has given him a couple of tasks the first task that the Holy Prophet peace be upon his family has given him is some of our enemies have left behind some of their trusts with me this is a very ironic sentence some of our enemies have done what have left behind their trusts with me when it says our enemies have left behind the trust with me you take hold on a minute why would an enemy leave his trust with you the enemy used to hate the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon his family but he used to recognize him with one thing he's definitely صادق and he is a mean he's truthful with his tongue but he is trustworthy when it comes to possessions and so what you have is the Holy Prophet peace be upon his family has told him that there are some of these guys you're going to have to return the deposits or the trust back but the second role that you have there are three فاتمات I want you to bring with you first of them فاتمة بن تأسد your mother second of them فاتمت الزهراء عليه السلام third of them فاتم a daughter of his cousin or his uncle when he tells him that you must look after them imagine this is a very sensitive moment when you witness that of all those who claim devotion to my father and to the religion of Allah none is like the son of Abu Talib and at that age how old was he 23 he was 23 at the time and I always say to people ask yourself what were you doing and how much had you given back to the service of your Lord in your early 20s the way Imam Ali ibn Talib عليه السلام و his whole life and his youth for the religion of Islam you're not surprised when you hear لا فتا إلا علي there is no youth don't ever discuss youth except if you mention علي and so what then happens is that he takes them from Mecca to Medina not an easy journey people imagine that you know what they just went on an easy journey they managed to escape it was not an easy journey at all extremely difficult journey but they managed to get to Medina and it gave رسول الله صلى الله عليه و آله so much pleasure not that he only saw his daughter فاطمة الزهر عليه السلام coming towards Medina but that he saw علي come towards Medina you know when they done the brotherhood in Medina between the مهاجرون and the Ansar between the migrants and the helpers each of the companions if you are a Muhajar you take an Ansar as your brother and when they asked رسول الله who is your brother he said علي صلى الله عليه و آله imagine could have easily been the same situation we could have told Imam علي عليه السلام that you have to go for example towards finding yourself a brother or I'll find a brother for you but no on the contrary you are my brother and many times he would say you are my brother in this world and they hear after so that that migration is fundamental in Islam because our calendar is of course based on it whenever you mention an event you always mention after هجرة but also it's the first time one may argue that she's at an age where she appreciates the valor of the son of Abu Talib and this was one of the main reasons he was considered to take five months of Zahra or was it before that well Shi'a traditions would always tell you that this was arranged in the heavens but I think if you're looking within the general narrations of the religion of Islam what happens is there are a number of people who come and propose you know and Abu Bakr comes to propose the narrations tell us and عمر من الخطاب comes to propose and عبد الرحمن بنعوف comes to propose and these will have their standing within the Muslim community and and the Holy Prophet peace be upon his family you know some Muslim fathers won't even tell their daughter there was a proposal the father himself would just turn around and say no sorry bye and the Holy Prophet peace be upon his family actually teaches us an ethical lesson someone comes with a proposal you could tell your daughter she says no she says no even she says yes you can still give your advice but pass the proposal on I think sometimes there are girls in our community who were hard done by or mistreated where there were good proposals for them which their parents fell to a bad but which the girl may have said no on the contrary I would have loved to have married this person so I think what happens is that when you look at the traditions the Holy Prophet peace be upon his family he he tells he welcomes their you know their proposals إمام علينا باعب علي علي السلام at the time if I'm not mistaken and my memory serves me correct was staying in the house of سعاد بن معاد and سعاد بن معاد amongst others has a you know discussion with them why don't you propose and there's an unbelievable humility from إمام علي علي السلام he doesn't say well you know who I am I'm علينا بيطالب this no he just turns around and says well am I worthy to talk to رسول الله in such a way and also I don't know if financially I have the capability to look after her there's a number of lessons here firstly that he's looking to get married in his early 20's many times people ask me when do you think the right ages to get married and if you're looking at the Holy Prophet Muhammad peace be upon his family you're looking at 23 to 25 years of age but then everyone's circumstances differ then secondly the fact that he thinks about his financial situation and I think that's something important that sometimes you've got people who well my dad has money so that should be enough for me sometimes you've got people who want to get married because their sexual desires are extremely high but they've forgotten that that comes with a lot of responsibility sometimes there are people who don't know how to manage their finances and get married Imam Ali Ramatali actually thinks about this that you know what economically can I look after the daughter of the Prophet of Islam peace be upon him and his family and what's amazing is how easy the Prophet Muhammad makes it and how difficult some father-in-law make marriage today today sadly in the Muslim community you have situations where father-in-law wants to see bank balances and wants to see show me for example what car you drive what house and while security for one's daughter I think is fundamental does that father remember how he was when he got married and does he forget the Qur'an says وَاَنْكِحُ الْأَيَامَا مِنْكُمْ وَالْصَالِحِينَ مِنْ عِبَادِكُمْ وَإِمَائِكُمْ إِيَا كُونُ فُقَرَاءِ يُبْنِهُمَ اللَّهِ مِنْ فَلَّهِ the Qur'an makes it clear that you marry of the single from amongst you and if they are poor Allah will make them rich those will open Allah سبحانه وتعالى will increase the rizq the rizq of wealth the rizq of health the rizq of education different forms of rizq and so it comes towards the Holy Prophet the proposal is taken and the Holy Prophet does what he does with everybody else and that is that he takes the proposal towards Fathun Zahra Fathun Zahra normally you'd find that she there's a certain look in her face and that would indicate rejection but this time the Prophet noticed that her silence is her approval and when it comes to the Mahar Imam Ali is very clear Imam Ali doesn't be around the bush and saying that well you know my dad owned this my uncle owned this I'm looking for yeah Imam says no on the contrary I only have if you want something for the Mahar I have a sword I have a camel and I have a shield that's all I own on this earth and the Holy Prophet his family says ask for your sword keeper to defend the religion of Islam and as for your camel keep it you can irrigate the land and earn an income doesn't matter that your Imam Ali doesn't matter there's nothing wrong in earning an income you're a Mawlana you're a Sheikh you're a Sayyid there's no harm you could be a cab drive on the side you could work in a shop on the side you could work in an office on the side there's nothing wrong there are 70 levels of worship and the first of them is to earn a rightful lawful living and then number three he says ask for your shield which was one of the booty of the battle or better he says sell that whatever it is that will be the Mahar of Fatima today in many of our communities when we have a wedding when the Mahar is being recited you hear the Mahar of Fatima Al-Zahra and that's on the basis of the Mahar between Imam Ali and Fatima Al-Zahra and and you find that that relationship blossoms it's wonderful of relationships and it really is not as lavish a ceremony as you'd think you'd think this is the daughter of God's final messenger they're going to have a really lavish ceremony it's not cheap and it's not crazy it's not a cheap ceremony where you're like they really haven't thought about making it's a nice day nor have they gone into the millions and how much they've spent the Holy Prophet peace be upon his family asks Abu Bakr Salman Bilal others he tells them that here's a certain amount of money go buy some household goods for for the family and they all go out you need your table cloths your tables your mats your wooden this your that they go out and they have enough and they prepare a meal and the community is invited we have a Waleem and our communities today the community is invited people are welcome to join it's not a cheap affair nor was it a crazy extravagant affair but did Fatima زهراء حصاف not demand anything or they just left the رسول الله no doesn't demand anything at all on the contrary I think you know that famous tradition if it wasn't for Ali there's no equal for Fatima in the sense that the only person who's above Fatima زهراء and the whole of you know the whole of existence at the time is Ali there is a spiritual مهر that is spoken about in some traditions you know the intercession for her شيع for example you know that is a spiritual dowry that is associated with some members of the أهل البيت عليم السلام and the tradition ends that no one will ever comprehend what is the position of Fatima زهراء عليم السلام but on the whole no there isn't really any demand for anything in particular so would you say that spirituality that you just mentioned would you say that are there any traits in that marriage or is there something else that teaches us lessons from that marriage that we can apply in our life today I don't think you'll ever see a relationship where two people are thinking more about their community and looking after them than they think about themselves you know sometimes you could get married and completely distance yourself from the community there are people who are so active in our communities the moment they got married they just run away from the community or they start making excuses that you know the community is not active the community is full of hypocrites the community is this or that no you just got married and that was it that was it and I think I think what's beautiful about them and she summarizes it in one sentence الجار ثم الدار your neighbors and then yourselves because when her children would see her recite دعاء they would be amazed when she's reciting دعاء then why are you reciting for others first and she'd say the community first the neighbors first the communal spirit would mean that إمام علي would bring people home for dinners you know it's like if he noticed and you know his brother جعفل الطيار was the king of it you know جعفل الطيار if he saw anyone hungry he'd bring him home straight away and إمام علي like wise and you have verses in the Quran that highlight they would prefer to see someone not starve and have their hunger looked after and see themselves starve and see themselves put in difficulty and the ayah of the Quran that strikes me the most ويؤثرون على أنفسهم ولو كان بهم خصاصة they give away altruistically from themselves ويؤثرون على أنفسهم ولو كان بهم خصاصة even though it's going to bring them immense difficulty this إيثار وعلي وفاطمة سبحان الله it's in tandem with one another sometimes in marriages you've got one side of the marriage very communal very wants to help very another side no interest and yet with إمام علي وفاطمة you'll find on the contrary they both have this yearning to look after the members of the community to be there if any of them require difficulty and you know that when the verse was revealed ويطعمون الطعام على حبه مسكين ويتيم وأسير they had made a nether or a mannet that إمام الحسام ومحزن were ill and they had made this vow that if they recover from their illness they'll fast for three days now you know very well when it comes to إفطار time we're starving I'm the type of guy like I just start you know just look at that clock and hoping that it goes quicker and you know I start losing my head at that moment and what's beautiful about إمام علي وفاطمة is that they're at this point where they're about to break their fast someone knocks at the door needy person they give their إفطار مسكين next day ويتيم often knocks at the gift to the orphan next day a seer captain don't know that's the beauty as well that when they would see someone who's in difficulty they would not think you know are they Muslim are they non-Muslim they have asked for help at that moment we're going to be the first to provide them with that help إِنَّمَا نُطْعِمُوا كُمْ لِوَجْهِلَّا when we do this we do it once for the pleasure of Allah سبحانه وتعالى do we want jaza do we want shaku do we want your thankfulness or your reward not at all that altruism is unique there is that line إِمام الشافعي mentions about Imam Ali in relation to this altruism in his marriage with Abu-Mazzara when he mentions أنا عبيل الله فتا ونزل فيه هالأتا I'm a slave to a youth who the verses of هالأتا were revealed upon him هالأتا على الإنسان حينه من الدخل is the beginning of that Surah إلا متى إلا متى for how long do I conceal this love for this youth now إمام الشافع is one of the biggest you know إمام of a school of fiqh you know الحنفي مالي كشافة يعملي but he says I am a slave to a youth ونزل فيه هالأتا إلا متى إلا متى they were revealed about him إلا متى إلا متى for how long am I going to conceal this love that I have for Ali إمام Ali إبدا مطالب عليه السلام أنا فعال مزارا their marriage and that's why Allah bestowed them with an honor because of that sacrifice because of that altruism when the I to Tathil was revealed I to Tathil was revealed in honor of the fact that these people are so selfless and sincere in every act that the lotf of Asma the grace of Asma was showered upon them I sent them Sayidina there was a follow up question but insha'Allah we'll come to that straight after the break I'd like to remind the viewers that they can call in for the second part of the show insha'Allah on 02035150199 you can call in you can message us your questions and insha'Allah they'll be answered but for now we'll go to the break and we'll be back with you very soon insha'Allah welcome back day viewers to the episode of this episode of Live in London where we are discussing the life and legacy of Fatim Tzahra peace and blessings be upon her with Dr. Said Ammar Naqshawani so far we've discussed Sayidina the marriage of Fatim Tzahra to Ali ibn Abi Talib the Hijra the relationship how it built from start from the start I want to ask something that affects us a lot in this day and age and it's the honeymoon period as we spoke about the dowry and how much they spent but the honeymoon where did they did they actually go on a honeymoon like where did they go what did they do for that well their honeymoon is ironic in the sense that it may not be as luxurious or as comfortable as our honeymoon their honeymoon was the battle of Uhud and she had to treat many wounds on her husband's body because we know in that battle the Quran is very clear about the difficult situation that the Muslims faced on that day to the extent that those who you had seen devotion in Mecca were amongst those who ran away from the battle the Quran mentions for example Muhammad and Rasool Allah or the Quran mentions وما محمد الله رسول قد خلت من قبله الرسول أفئن ماتا أو قتلا قلبتهم على أحقابكم the Quran mentions Muhammad is but a messenger messengers have come before him if he dies or rather he is killed you turn back on your heels there were about 750 companions on the day of Uhud and Fatima had accompanied the army as many other women did to try and either help giving water to soldiers or to help for example there were some nurses who were there who could help medically and there were even some who ended up fighting alongside the Holy Prophet peace be upon him and his family when the men ran away and what's interesting is that the books of history mentioned clearly who ran away and the books of history also mentioned clearly that there was only a few companions who remained loyal to the Prophet peace be upon him and his family on the mountain of Uhud when Khalid ibn Walid who on that day was amongst the opposition had come from around the mountain to attack the Prophet peace be upon him and his family and there was a rumor that was going on in the middle of the ground that the Prophet had died and it was because they looked like each other some people thought you know what that's it it's the end of Islam others thought let's get some of the spoils we missed out on it better now maybe let's get some in Uhud because it's not fair that we're in the mountain and these guys are all on the ground and they left the Prophet alone and were it not for the likes of you know there's only a few there's only a few who remained loyal to the Prophet on that day and amongst them was Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib peace be upon him now Imam Ali had just got married now in that first day of marriage one thing you don't want is your husband coming home with blood everywhere and another thing you may not want to do is serve your religion that much you want to have it as a honeymoon period your attendances in the mosque might go a bit less you know there are certain people in the first second of their marriage if you see them in Muharram it's a blessing you might see them on the night of Qadr and other than that the odd Thursday night and what's wonderful about the Ahl al Bayt is that devotion constantly irrespective of marriage no marriage they are able to balance their life in the most profound way and Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib peace be upon him the plaudits that he receives on that day are immense when you hear the cry لا فتال لا علي ولا سيفن الا دل فقار you're looking at that and you're recognizing that the heavens testified to his bravery and his wife did not complain that why is it that we have to always do so much for Islam why can't we just have time for ourselves you know sometimes you'll have some wives and in some cases rightly so where they may hardly ever get to spend time with their husbands or with their families and they may be turning around and saying when we're going to get time for ourselves but فادل الزهر عليه السلام said no on the contrary when 4,000 of the opposition are attacking 750 of us I'm proud when my husband serves the religion of God so I wouldn't say it's Maldives you know Hollywood resort for example somewhere in the west coast or something it really was a basic battle of Uhud and that probably cemented love for a long time no before أمير المؤمنين سلام الله عليك propose to فادل الزهراء some say that he had his eyes elsewhere Abu Jahl's daughter for example what would you say to this? not before he was married to فادل الزهراء عليه السلام and some say that he wanted while married he had his eyes on Abu Jahl's daughter by the name of جوارية now if he is married to فادل الزهراء and let's say after hijra why after the marriage of Fatima why would you have your eyes on Abu Jahl's daughter of all people you know there's a profound animosity between علينا بطالب and Abu Jahl and some of the family members of Abu Jahl now why Imam Ali would want to go behind فادل الزهراء and go and propose for Abu Jahl's daughter and when you look at the names of the people who narrate such a tradition because you know how they relate this narration they say that فادل الزهراء عليه السلام they say that that's about Imam Ali that he angered فادل الزهراء عليه السلام and she went and told Rasool Allah and Rasool Allah made an announcement to everybody that I know you're all allowed four wives but not علينا بطالب he can't do that to my daughter and I'm not going to make حلال وصحرام وحرام وصحرام but علينا بطالب sorry I don't accept this it's not happening it's so contradictory that the prophet now starts making laws for himself for his daughter makes a sudden announcement randomly you know and then says فاتل وصحرام وحرام me whoever angers me whoever angers me angers Allah علينا بطالب has angered me today was that narration even said anywhere near that time period or yeah so what you have is that in the explanation of فاتل about عطن مني the tefsir of that is that علي angers فاتل because sometimes people think well the tefsir is so blatantly obvious but no people have tried to push that too إمام علي علي سلام angering فاتل وصحرام but you look at the likes of you know الكرابيس البغدادي مسورة بن مغرم people like that we don't take narrations from these either you know you know major hatred to إمام علي بطالب علي السلام in some cases known as نواصب and so on and so yeah you know the omeids work they're socks off to taint the image of إمام علي علي السلام and one of them is the image of his marriage you know now we've spoken about early years of فاتل وصحرام early years of امير المؤمنين there's one period in time where the أهل البيت were brought together and that is مباهلة is that the first dance where women represented Islam politically yeah I think I think the event of مباهلة really goes to show you that فاتل وصحرام علي السلام is making a statement that a woman has as much role as any man in representing the religion of Islam in the public sphere in the political sphere in the social sphere a woman has a major role to play and there are some communities where a woman you know could not have a word in edge ways if she wants to come and you know be a representative politically for the religion people are like how could a woman go up there she's compromising her حجاب that's not proper حجاب that's not proper etiquette then why would Allah سبحانه وتعالى say فمن حاجك فيه من بعد ما جاءك من العلم فقول تعالوا ندعو ابناءنا وابناءكم ونساءنا ونساءكم وانفوسنا وانفوسكم ثم نبتهل فنجعل لنا تاله علي الكادمين when the Christians wanted to challenge the religion of Islam الله سبحانه وتعالى found it important that not just men go and represent this religion bring your woman will bring our woman and sometimes our cultures that have prevented a woman from reaching but I will say something very important here as well majority Muslim countries that Pakistan and Bangladesh have had woman lead and there are bigger countries and wealthier countries than them who've never had a woman or female president in their history no need to mention names you look at Pakistan and Bangladesh and you look at for example the likes of someone like let's say Benazir Bouto for example you got a Muslim woman who able to reach the top of her country and lead and always the accusation is that you Muslims go give no right to woman and many of the movements for the rights of woman were for woman to vote and for woman to be given more of a political presence the same countries that advocate these you'll find if you look at the list of their presidents no woman no female in this country you may have had a couple you may for example Theresa May you may for example have had Margaret Thatcher and yet you look in the Muslim countries there are a number of positions where Muslim women have either lead or being politically active and the event of مباهلة is a testimony that the Holy Prophet peace be upon his family wanted woman to be politically involved in the affairs of the community after مباهلة is after or I'm not sure when the death of the prophet was after مباهلة but that definitely brought so much pain to Fatimah Zahra'a but the way that's shown in Bukhari it just shows a dispute between Fatimah Zahra'a and Abu Bakr it doesn't emphasize on the pain she went through with the coping with the death of her father and there's a narration here if you don't mind I'll read it out to you go ahead go ahead it's narrated by Aisha in volume 5 volume 5 book 59 number 546 صحب Bukhari Fatimah the daughter of the prophet sent someone to Abu Bakr when he was the caliph asking for her inheritance of what Allah's apostle had left of her property bestowed on him by Allah from the fey i.e. the beauty gained that fighting in Medina and Fedeck and what remained of the 5th of the خيبر بوتي on that Abu Bakr said Allah's apostle said our property is not inherited whatever we leave الصدق but the family of the prophet Muhammad can eat of this property by Allah I will not make any change in the state of the صدق of Allah's apostle and will leave it as it was during the lifetime of Allah's apostle and will dispose of it as it is Allah's as it is that Allah's apostle used it to do so so Abu Bakr refused to give anything of that to Fatimah goes on to say so she became angry with Abu Bakr and kept away from him and did not task him till she died she remained alive for 6 months after the death of the prophet according to this narration and when she died her husband امر المؤمنين buried her at night without informing Abu Bakr and he said the funeral prayer by himself when Fatimah was alive the people used to respect Ali much but after her death Ali noticed a change in the people's attitude towards him so Ali's allegiance so Ali sought reconciliation with Abu Bakr and gave him an oath of allegiance Ali had not given the oath of allegiance during those months i.e. the period between the prophet's death and Fatimah's death Ali sent someone to Abu Bakr saying come to us yeah I think it couldn't be more clearer than what صحيح البخار narrates that it's not my words that Fatimah dies angry with Abu Bakr it's narrated in the most famous work in the history of Islam for أهل الصنة والجمع and one asks the question that when Fatimah dies angry with someone if we already take the hadith that says Fatimah's a part of me whoever angers her angers me and whoever angers me angers Allah then what is the position of Abu Bakr when this issue occurs now sometimes people ask us the shia questions where they say that why do you have a difference of opinion for example with Abu Bakr with Omar and so on and if you were just to read Abu Bakr then you have to reach your own conclusion Fatimah does not just get angry because of no reason for her to be angry there must have been an act that is committed that doesn't just displease her displeases the prophet displeases the prophet and goes against the tenants of the religion of Islam and this is proven by the fact that she doesn't want them at her funeral and that the narration says she wants to be buried secretly now we know when a Muslim dies you could be a hypocrite you could be not religious you don't come to the mosque you come to that funeral prayer you could come you can recite صورة الفاتح and go home why is it that she's adamant that he doesn't attend that he doesn't attend she doesn't want them to attend clearly no one can deny that as soon as the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and his family dies there is a major major problem facing the religion of Islam between the daughter of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon his family and the first two caliphs and as I said صحيح البخاري makes this clear that she dies angry with the first caliph now she's meant to have a bay'a on her neck otherwise she dies as a jahil doesn't anyone have the audacity to say that the fact that she never gave bay'a to the Imam of her time the caliph of her time do they have the audacity to say that فاطمة daughter of Muhammad peace be upon his family dies as a jahil or is it that the reality was that because of the incident of ghadir and the announcement that Imam Ali peace be upon his family is the successor of the holy prophet the most narrated tradition in respect of how people debate the word مولا no one denies that the incident of ghadir took place it could be the case that and it was the case that Imam Ali was the Imam of her time and on the issue of the land of Fedek what's amazing is that Abu Bakr quotes the tradition where he says that prophets don't leave behind they don't have you know inheritors rather what they leave behind is charity and what I find amazing is that many prophets have already done this you know سليمان inherits داود يحية inherits ذكرية and there is a general statement in chapter 2 verse 1 80 in the Quran that you already have to write a will if you leave certain property behind but what's fundamental about Fedek is Fedek is not inheritance Fedek was given to Favon Zahra in the 7th year after Hijrah when the Jews of Khaibar were defeated the distribution of 5 that take place because a war had taken place but if no war takes place in Islam no cavalry fighting or horses and swords attacking each other so it doesn't come under the category of 5 anymore comes under the category of faith and the prophet distributes as he pleases and so Fedek doesn't come under inheritance but if you're claiming it's inheritance then she tells him سليمان inherited داود يحية inherited ذكرية and the Quran mentions كتب عليكم إذا حضر حدكم الموت انترك خيرا الوصية للوالدين والأقربين بالمعروف لذا تقول شى herself is first saying نبوان it's in my possession نبو في عدت اليد in islamic law possession indicates ownership if I'm in possession of something you come and say that that's not yours I'm in its possession you're the one who has to bring witnesses not me I'm living in the place I have the place you can't come and tell Fatima you bring witnesses نبو 3 أحتيني there is an interesting conversation between Imam Ali and the first Khalif and he says to him if someone told you that Fatouan Zahra had committed adultery what would you do? and he said I would punish him. if the number of witnesses is the number that's required. He said so you listen to the people's witnessing and you go against Allah's witnessing? He said what do you mean? He said when Allah says انا ما يُرِج الله يُوثبو عنكم ورسل الله يُصَى أهل منه البيت. الله يقوم باستخدام أنهم جوز و أنت تستطيع الناس الذين يقولون أنهم سيجعل شيء ما يقوم باستخدام لذا أنت تتكلم باستخدام الناس و تتكلم باستخدام الله لكن في الوقت بعضنا أعواني أخيين، أعواني أخيين، كيف يجب أن ينتظر بذلك؟ لأنه مفتاة، فاطمة يهرم بأبو باكر، حديث صحيح البخاري some will say well you know what these two are just you know fallible humans and you can make a mistake there isn't that real recognition of five ones that are status too much you know she's the daughter of the Prophet Muhammad you should respect her but if she and Abu Bakr have a problem and she dies angered Abu Bakr no big deal you know or even you'll have some who'll say well don't discuss it and you have some who do the ta'wil of this in a phenomenal way you know there was one line that you mentioned where it says it says that she didn't speak to him after this issue and a person tried to interpret this by saying yeah she didn't speak to him about this issue after that day as if like masha'Allah they really were best friends afterwards i don't think they were i think that فاضوز ظهر عليه السلام and Abu Bakr there was a clear problem and بخاري makes it clear she dies doesn't want anyone at her funeral dies and is buried secretly in the night having died angry with Abu Bakr and Omar yeah no we say it's mentioned in بخاري and it's clear cut but why is it hardly mentioned in the mosques if it's clear cut in their books well i think there is a general message that's given to many of them from a young age that don't discuss that which may bring fitna or don't discuss periods of fitna periods of dissension you know these that you should suspend judgment especially on these sensitive issues Abu Bakr versus فاعتماء don't discuss and if you do discuss try and make it look rosy and glorious Ali versus Aisha find a random Jew somewhere and blame it on him Muawiyah versus Ali just say رضي الله عنه about both of them and hopefully jannah will be graceful with these two together and it's it's just the general philosophy that you know what it's you're bought up having to admire certain people when you see such traditions you either discuss them or you just say look don't discuss these things god is the best judge yeah no don't worry sometimes where he speaks of Omar threatening to burn the house of فطن الزهراء what actually happened to the house of a prophet yeah you absolutely right طباري you know there's as you know there's a طباري who is from اهل السنة and there's a طباري is from the shea from the shea the one who writes the دلائل contemporary of توسيان نجاشي in that بغداد period and you have from اهل السنة the رناند the renowned author of the تفسي لما تأريخ and and he mentions clearly that عمر ابن الخطاب threatens to burn the house of فطن الزهراء عليه السلام and i think you know at that moment if someone threatens to burn the house of the daughter of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon his family and let's not just say daughter someone who clearly the verse of the cloak was revealed about the verse of مباهل is revealed about she is the abundance of blessings that Allah gave she's the mother of her father she's a part of the prophet and he comes and threatens to burn the house well normally you'll find people say well i don't take طباري and طباري is not a good محدد that the fact is طباري is showing there's no smoke without fire excuse the pun that you know literally there was a clear problem and i don't think anyone can deny there's a problem بين فاطن الزهراء عليه السلام ابو باكر and عمر there clearly is a dislike between all three of them and عمر yes طباري makes it clear that you know i'll burn the house and then it's up to the person to decide you know everyone's got their grave i can sit here all night and i could say well طباري says this and he says this and if you want to revere and admire someone who threatens to burn the house of the daughter of the prophet محمد as طباري himself narrates and as others narrate quite interestingly you know ابن أبي شيبان المصنف ابن حجر has a discussion on it about narrators who give an indication that this has taken place you know ذهبي has an indication of the discussion بلادري has a discussion on this issue dare i say even going towards ابن تيميا and whether he justifies such an issue or he has a discussion on it look there are certain people who say well عمر ابن القطب is good deeds outweigh his bad deeds and therefore you can't make a judgment on him there are others who say if you threaten to burn the house of the daughter of the prophet محمد peace be upon his family then it's not someone who you may necessarily take as a role model now is there a Sahih chain sheet literature to support this because i'm not for example we don't use some don't use the name of the case because i don't know who he doesn't see him as a reliable source there is a strong chain we mentioned that there is a طباري from اهل الصننة طباري from the shea and there is a particular chain that narrates how قنفض the servant of عمر was the one who shrug فاطمة with the edge of his sword which caused the broken rib and the miscarriage and the chain is عبدالله the son of ابي نجران from ابن سنان from ابن مسكان from ابو بصير from امام الصادق عليه السلام and you'll find that that is a strong chain as you're going to get talking about that incident now why does بخاري say she didn't want ابو بكر at the funeral and she was she wanted to be buried in secret and at night and is there a reason she doesn't want to know where her grave is i think she believes that what has taken place in سقيفة and i think what took place with the confiscation of the land of فدق i think she's making a clear statement that she will never ever want to be associated with the principles of those who are behind those acts now the next question maybe a hard one because we can't really express or describe the emotions of others but can we sort of explain how امام عيلي must have felt at the loss of his wife how did he deal with that time period i think she explains her difficulty and he explains his difficulty now i'll narrate a line which we all narrate about her expressing the difficulties that she saw صبت علي مصايم لو أنها صبت على الأيام صدنا لي عليها that truly the amount of trials that and tragedies that were poured upon her and if they were poured on the day it would become you know darkness and night and really she herself expresses that the amount of tragedies that have fallen on us and then he himself by her grave there are lines attributed to him where he begins of course إِنَّا لِلَّا وَإِنَّا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُونَ we are the servants of Allah and to Allah we will return and then he says how sad oh messenger of Allah the green skies and the dusty earth have become to us my sadness has become perpetual and my nights have become sleepless the anxiety will not leave my heart until Allah chooses a dwelling for me next to you my heart bleeds and my anxiety is restless that separation was so sudden she will meet you and she will explain to you the misfortunes that befell her and the injustices that were committed to her by your umma just look at إِمَا عَلِيْبْنَا بِطَعَا بَعَلَيْسْنَا عَلَيْسْنَا عَنْكُوشِ here the sadness has become perpetual my nights have become sleepless how much love does he have for this wife of his a real lesson for all of us when your wife has been loyal to you your wife has been so soft hearted upright and principled with you that should build a fervor and a passion and a love between the two of you a سكينة رحمة and every way possible he says you know my nights have become sleepless and he mentions that there is an anxiety that affects him but even he is affected by the death of this lady all of a sudden you know so young the daughter of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon his family so young and gone and that famous line اتبعته له افلاوى قامت from heaven went to heaven left its fragrance in my mind can you ever hear a line that beautiful for a powerful no one can ever describe his wife like the way the imam described his wife at that moment a flower came from heaven went to heaven left her fragrance in my mind so it's a very difficult period for him firstly the loss of his beloved secondly he's now the father of orphans thirdly he's seen a period of difficulty and desertion by so many at that time yeah i said to him say that i don't mind the dear viewers that they can call in and direct the questions to the sayid the number is 0203 515 0199 now sayid we spoke about the live the lives of the اهل البيت سلام الله عليهم let's bring it back to today a few days ago was world hijab day how do we implement the real hijab of Fatmaة الزهراء this day and age and in this sort of region of the world where it differs in the east how do we take it and apply it here without crossing any boundaries you see حجاب does not mean head covering head covering is part of the package head covering in arabic is خمار قرآن says وليضربنا بخمورهن على جيوبهن let them draw their veils over their bosoms many times in our community if a girl doesn't cover her head we say she doesn't wear حجاب no we should say she doesn't wear the خمار because sometimes someone will say i'm looking for the word for for covering the head in the Quran they're looking for حجاب you're looking for the wrong word the arabes who used to cover their head did not say i'm covering my head with the حجاب they used to say i'm covering my head with a خمار that's why if you ask many ask an Iraqi for example now what's alcohol in arabic what will he say to you خمار why خمار خمار is associated with that خمار is just a covering because alcohol is seen as something that covers your reasoning it was associated with خمار خمار is just the head covering so when someone says to me for example how can i observe the حجاب of fatima some assume that the word حجاب means head cover no خمار is the head covering حجاب is the the full package the package of social and physical modesty to be observed by the male and the female is حجاب and too many times when i hear people saying you know what her her حجاب is not great and you're like what do you mean حجاب is not great oh you know she's not covering her head properly then you should say her خمار is not great because part of the part of the حجاب is head covering part of it is social and and being soft hearted and not being rude there are many girls out there who don't wear حجاب in the sense of head covering the خمار but they wear the حجاب of أخلاق they wear the حجاب of being soft hearted or being respectful but they haven't for example covered their head sorry تكايف would you say one is more important than the other no you know you know sometimes there are sisters out there who don't cover their head they're like have you seen the ones who cover their head they're all hypocrites they're not all hypocrites i'm sure there's a couple of good ones and then you have the ones who do cover their head and they'll judge the ones out there who don't cover their head look she doesn't cover her head well she may have better أخلاق than you not as judgmental as you so i think what the end of it of أعلى صعرا عليه السلام شاوة says you know what wearing the خمار doesn't stop me ع مباهلة wearing the خمار doesn't stop me giving my famous sermon فاداكية الخطب الفاداكية wearing the خمار doesn't stop me speaking out against the injustices of my time or being a good wife or being an educated mother and that should be a message for all because some of our sisters today maybe thinking shall i take off my خمار maybe i get more attention maybe i get less attention more attention from people who might want to get married less attention from those who might be islamophobic مفاضل صعرا عليه السلام i think she shows us you know what you could be politically active as she showed with فاداك you can be active in the world of انترافيت as she showed with مباهلة you could be active in terms of building a wonderful family as she had with her four kids you know so i think حجاب shouldn't be just confined to what we conceive of in the world of clothing but rather what can be achieved spiritually and socially by the human being irrespective of their gender i said to me say that we have one question we only have time for one question from our viewers the question is صحيحا بطبق كيف سيدا زينا بسلام الله عليها ريليف دلجيسيو فارما تزهراء كربلاء ها دا شي take it to كربلاء و i think first and foremost she she is a reflection of her mother and she builds a wonderful family with her husband عبد الله the son of جعفا الطيار and i think um you know اولا she's ready to be politically outspoken against the arrogant ابن زياد and يزيد's of the world her حجاب doesn't stop her from being politically outspoken ثاني she is only angry for the sake of الله not for the sake of herself محاولا مع يزيد when she destroys them in her sermon and شام you know she makes it clear that you know what don't count those who have died in the way of الله has been dead they're alive you know we haven't lost this however hard you try you'll never remove our love from the hearts of the people there's that real strength and conviction in الله سبحانه وتعالى like our mother you know i know that what i'm gonna say is gonna cause trouble it's gonna lead to my death i'm the daughter of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon his family but i'm gonna die at such a young age that until today مسلم knows where the grave of father is the only lady in islamic history in that period we haven't got a clue where she's buried because of the oppression of the time and so say this is a lot of many wonderful lessons from her mother even though she died at the same age as fatima had been when her mother died so it was you could say the ultimate sacrifice that even she was even oppressed in her death as well as her life well i think you know we see it as oppression she definitely is saddened by their action but saddened because the religion of islam was being ripped into pieces yeah حسنتم سيدنا again every time we have you on the show our fruitful discussion about the أهل البيت about lessons we can apply to our lives إن شاء الله we'll be joined again by دكتر سيد عمار نقشواني on monday we will continue on more fruitful discussions on the أهل البيت إن شاء الله so tune in on monday 9 pm GMT time but for now we like to say for me and the say it and the whole team السلام عليكم برحمة الله وبركاته