 We'll see you all on the breakfast right here in plus TV Africa and thanks for joining us We have a zikon Yai took who will be part of the conversation and off the press He's an architect and we like to call him do a twig on a zikon Yai took is good to have you join us this morning Thanks for having me always a pleasure to be with you All right, then let's sort of with the punch newspaper this morning on the punch You know the PDP might just be dominating Maybe all of the headlines, but let's see how that happens But on the punch punch is saying that the PDP crisis piece is threatened and we care Tico's men disagree over are you? Don't forget that, you know We K had said For us to actually move forward are you has to resign as a chairman of the party and that's because you can't have You know sadden candidate or the presence of a sadden and not being represented I mean you can't have enough not all true the entire, you know space Underneath are you must go for talks to proceed? Governors men quoted to say are you want to resign says PDP team? It seems devil has entered the PDP says George as negotiators disagree over venue No, the devil has not entered Go to your village or villages election are not one in a Buja hotels wiki tells candidate That's something to think about Electricity workers call off strike and businesses count losses. This is a different caption You know to the left top corner on the paper of the punch this morning and underneath Gents cause and discose all banks 836 billion Naira amid crisis away from that caption more interesting headlines on the punch 418 million dollars refund Governors knock Malami over commission Women not created to be irrelevant first female Methodist Bishop is quoted to say I mean with her attire There's a picture of attire right there how Transitional firms swindled Nigerians Hmm, I take that again How transnational firms swindled Nigerians one would think that Nigerians are the most I mean you won't talk about Very smart persons and as you call Nigerians Nobody should think that a Nigerian should fall for some kind of scheme right or be swindled Well, you know the punch is saying that Transnational firms swindled Nigerians or there's over three million dollars and You also have a PC supporters who carnival as to noble visa former president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria Shagun Abbas and draw in his hometown a biocuta and Asu begins consultation on next move Great-grandma collapses and dies while climbing Ligas Bridge and Nothing used protests in security in a bourgeois This is some of the interesting headlines you find this morning on the punch newspaper, but we have all the papers We take a quick look at the nation Governors hit Malami on four hundred and eighteen million dollars parry Club payment Agf's action self-serving we will pursue matters to Supreme Court These are riders on the native. I'm sure the governors are not really having having really nice But don't you think that's a system that we have created, you know, they're very used to Getting all of this the federal government Why we failed to meet 5,000 megawatts targets really So it's a conversation that I've had and I'm sure that we've talked about this if we look at the country of a 200 plus 211 million persons according to the UN then we have the capacity with the plants that we have a capacity to Generate 12,000 megawatts, but we're not even able to produce up to 5,000 megawatts really doesn't make any sense The PDP taken over by the devil says body George interesting and Bauer EFCC secure 4,430 convictions in 19 months Legos blue rail line to begin test run in December That's what you find and just before move away from the nation. You have 2023 to the movies at Basel Joe V Amid pump It's boldly written on the nation. Oh quickly look at the Guardian newspaper this morning Nationwide blackout three billion our loss to TCN strike as greed Crashes and that's why it's reported that you know The TCN is owing the banks and all the investors or the business persons Electricity workers suspend industrial action discos issue notice on darkness and urges communities to safeguard installation While we can't generate 5,000 megawatts of power by the minister I'm sure that the issue of vandalism will be quoted Restructuring won't lead to cessation says or courtier EFCC raid on BDC operators behind Naira raised against dollar says power and Again, reverse women protests against destruction of farmlands by suspected headers. That's what you find Some of the headlines eight years after leading Buhari to Basel Joe to new boo meets ex-president for his own ambition Well, we'll move away for the want of time. We have a daily trust newspaper also and the 2023 Elections you have e-transmission of election result has come to stay. That's what I neck is quoted to say 37 by elections pending what we learned from Kenya presidential poll and it is saying debates good for democracy It's not about what you learn. It's about what you do with what you learn So the issue has always been with humans on the earth Including those who are calling the affairs implementation of what we know each swap adults six farmers in Borno and demands five million Naira and NNPP backs media Trust and 2023 elections debate troops this large bandits come rescue babies six female hostages in Kaduna again, you have power outages TC and workers strike Crushes electricity greed. Okay, so it's one. Well, that's another one See look into the daily trust newspaper 418 million dollar power club reform Governors tackle Malamese action fraudulent and self-serving why Shakurows associate field to secure and NNPP's ticket quank was so is quoted to say Nijai Bennett to go on idea 5.8 billion are for power in 2020 this is a report. I mean, this is not new because this has been going on and you ask yourself because we're actually supplying part Let's not even talk about it. I can't wait to hear is it going I took thoughts on this particular issue But that's the size of it on the daily trust newspaper this morning. Is it going I took once again more appreciate your time and Thank you for being with us. Good morning for the privilege and thanks for having me Okay, so I like to set up with a punch newspaper Let's look at the politics in and all of the politics is going on with the PDP the crisis The disagreement But you know the punch says that the peace has been threatened because we can't it because men disagree over are you and the issue Here is are you has to resign and the other party saying are you will not resign? This is where they are, but what do you make of this as an opposition party really? I Think I wish I could talk as an opposition party, but let me say that I'm starting to to believe that there's something about age It started with my mother. I had the most strict mother anybody could have that's why there are many things I've never smoked. I've never taken alcohol I did had a bottle of beer in my life and it all goes back to my mother because even when I was pulling fire away from her They thought that I wanted to break bounds of this as a they guided will kill me, you know Now why am I saying then when I had children? This same mother that was my great toucher My child would do something. I want to spank. He said no no no on comedy. I do in Kerry No, it's a small child. I'm like was I not a small child There's something about age. What I'm saying. This is that There's something going on with article that I can't quite understand. It's not the article I know the article. I know is is is is so politically servey He is so he sees the future and and takes a step before it meets One two three things have happened that I really can't understand what's happening to him Maybe age has come on him. The first is after the primaries The article I knew Will be the first to break all protocols and go to wiki because he would have done his political strategizing to know the power blocks with the land and in the equation of of PDP politics the one man above any other PDP member that you could never dismiss with a wave of the hand is Mr. Wicke you can't and yet For reasons I can't understand. He just let it linger linger linger and so much has gone You know is has gone almost irreversible That's on one hand Secondly the article that I know Will not be humoring the national chairman where the two of them come from the same zone He would have called this guy long before Nancy, you know your amount of integrity You had said that if this happens is what you would do people know you for who you are do not come and Demystify yourself now you've got to tell me who you would want to succeed you from this zone or that zone I would have solved this problem long before today and see what's going on and That makes me really wonder if the article that we knew Is the article that we are seeing today with respect to taking decisive decisions being? Extremely, you know future looking like the sons of Isaka, you know understanding the signs of the times and Taking decisions before the riches, which is what you need for the president of the federal Republic of Nigeria I think that age is happening to article That's my personal thought and if that be the case it also bring my reservation on the person or baller at mate in Ugo so I think that Nigerians should really sit down and Subjects these two people to what I may call forensic tests as to their capacity to take prompt decision Pre-emptive decisions in a time like this where we need a general that will lead from the front not because he Well, we seem to have some Disconnection and network issues, but I'm hoping that is Zika and I took joins the conversation because very interesting perspective that he's raising or his race right there and I hope that he comes back to talk about it because it's a rift that's going on in the PDP and If you you know look at the times one would say that yes That's a big unopposition party a party that has been in governments and in governance were over, you know some time and The expectation would be that the acts that would have it together all of this should not have been seen It's a time where they're very serious, but because you know that the house that's divided against itself cannot even stand and so Let's even hope that is equal. Yeah, I take comes through with his thoughts on that particular one But they're also no interesting headlines. We're just maybe quickly take this break and one very time Is equal continues with his thoughts stay with us Was he learned the breakfast right here? We'll apologize for fourth at the particular break, but is equal Yeah, I take is still with us and Zico I like that you continue with your thoughts. You were talking about, you know, the PDP and the crisis that's going on But quickly just as you continue But a judges of the thoughts that the devil has entered the PDP. Do you think that that's the case here? Well first I think that the enemies of progress the opposition didn't want me to continue Because what just happened is not explainable. Anyway, back to it. You see we really need to be careful and not just follow the the conversations, but be very intentional and focus having our eyes on the ball the eyes on the ball is Ensuring that we are not where we are today a Year from 2023 where we start to regret we have all the possibilities to interrogate Every person that wants to be president or governor those two to start with because the others seem to like report to these two and You have to look at the mental Capacity of that person. You have to look at the physical fitness of that person And when I talk of mental capacity and physical fitness sometimes it goes beyond age Because you can have a young child of 50 or a man of 50 that has destroyed his future And he can't even think straight again. On the other hand, you can have somebody of 65 that is so sharp I'm just next year will be 60 and I think all my faculties are working real good I would say so and probably because of the foundation have led coming to quit But the point is this Those who want to be the president of the federal republic of Nigeria We need to stay the time is not as long as we we we we we think it is to really interrogate the state of mind We need to take real sharp decisions decisive decisions informed decisions Every problem that we had in Nigeria can be traced to the fact that we have people in government Who do not understand the basic essence? Is on how long you've been in government? No You know, let me just throw this in very quickly. There was an interview I granted to the Guardian, you know, long time ago. It was a major interview I granted and they made one mistake that just changed everything I Insist on my interviews being recorded and transcribed and when the person was transcribing I said You need a person that has what they wrote elephant experience Now that made a whole complete change to what I was saying what I actually said was relevant experience and not Elephant experience because we will think of humongous large experience and all those things are like things that don't make it We need really a and I'm rubber has experience Bureaucratic nonsense that has kept us where we are here is experience in bureaucracy, but what sort of experience do we need? Do we need the experience of a monarch that must be worshipped? That is a lot or the experience of a CEO that must take informed decisions and knows the processes One was the capacity to squeeze water out of the rock because for where we are now We are fooling the nation we are lying to the nation our resources are very low our test is very high You need someone that understands the balance between these two we break contract We have no respect for for for contract. We have none and we are expecting direct foreign the investment We are not secured our borders and our internal security and we are expecting direct foreign Direct FDI foreign direct investment. These are the fundamentals that whoever wants to be a leader I must understand either at the governorship level or at the presidency level and not the paraphernalia of office and You know going in for yourself pre-bendalism and all that it has to be sacrificed It has to be service. How can you serve when you do not have the capacity? They are saying things at November 1st of the 59th. They are saying things. I cannot Want to do now. I used to like football. I can't imagine myself on the pitch of play because Hard then it's too late now, but you can still be on the other side where you're You know watching Yeah, yeah, that's it They should be spectators. They should be you can even be coaches Okay, and they can be guardians that can be advisers, but please leave the pitch alone your time down past You know inspire Okay, well, we hope that you know those who should heed to this saying are listening and even if they're not listening I'm sure that somehow the message should get to them But on the other hand, I like you to also react to this Do you think that the devil is in the PDP right now because It's a thought of but he judge. I like you to quickly show your thoughts Is it the case of the devil? The devil is not just in the devil and taking control of PDP and APC That's why Nigerians are unanimous. They say no APC no PDP and Nigerians love God So they know that the devil must be on the other side That's why even the members are starting to come out and they are and then we are starting to do A lot of casting and binding, you know why cast and binding is like a pot that is already broken Take this one where they put your water inside Then when you've taken your water and you are fine You can go back and see how to mend these other pots APC and PDP The devil has found a resting place in them in my opinion So Nigerians are are unanimous. They say no APC no PDP and But not on Nigerians, you know not all Nigerians. It's not Generality No, no, you know when I was when I was in Primary school they used to tell me that plants are green But I've come to realize that some plants are red some plants are yellow some flowers are pink Okay, but the same plan. So that that was actually a generalized statement Which I need to actually withdraw And rephrase that the generality of the of Nigerians Are unanimous that they don't want APC. They don't want PDP. They want something new and fresh Like a DC Oh, well, I mean because I we know that they are no, you know, they are no absolutes. They're just relative You can't really have that's why you know to the other side But quickly because I have some amazing friends in APC and PDP lovely people Mr. Donald Duke is one of my all-time great friends. He's still in one of those parties, you know So they are nice wonderful people in those two parties. It's just that they've lost the plot Well, niceness and you know greatness has not translated into Economic development and growth and security of lives and property and that's what Nigerians are concerned about But quickly you have the Guardian newspaper here nationwide blackout a three billion hour loss to tcn strike as a greed So the greed has actually crashed and because of the strike that was embarked on by the Nigerian electricity workers for their welfare concern that was not You know respected from 2019 up until this moment. What are your thoughts? I mean three billion hour loss in how many hours in how many days Yeah, I think it's actually a lot more than that because We have not sat down to do the cost analysis between the per kilowatt cost of power that we pay for from phcn and that of diesel now When you do that analysis, you discover that the differential for running an hour of generator is humongous Not to talk of when this so you kind of try to balance out between the hours that you get from phcn The hours that you don't run your generator The hours that you should shut down and have no operations because if you run those hours the returns on the investment is not really wise So when you now have the problem you have to shut down And then the ones you have to use your generator Then this last one that you enjoy a little bit from phcn. They now shut it down again It means you are hundred percent on your generator on your shutdown and the things you lose To me will be multiples of the three billion They've just said now coming back. Why did the phcn have this? Why did the the electricity workers have this shut down? Some some reasons are frivolous They just don't make sense if you say go for promotion exams for you to get promoted Promotions should not be a right Obey that law but on the other hand they make simple demands and this we will just slip over those You know people don't really take things serious An important memo comes the least you can do is attend to that memo with the clear head What are they saying? They are making a legitimate demand, but we don't have the capacity. What do you do? You call them to sit down and Resin with them and possibly meet them halfway or something or give them hope if nothing else But you just ignore them as if they are non entities and then they now sit down and say look, you know Nigerians you do not get what you want except you apply some level of force one way or the other as a result They back on strike then 24 hours you now rush to have a meeting that you could have just resolved very easily I think that we Nigerians need to start to think of the people that we send into offices I keep I can't say this enough the eye on the ball is 2023 And for you to recruit the sort of people that will sit down and work Don't look at how much money has oh, didn't go out so much money or I think who has so much We are just talking of somebody your boss. Let me end us on this A boss is to take your children to from Uyo to Abuja for an excursion And you as a parent I expect two things you should look at the integrity of the boss And the competence of the driver these two things Now instead of looking at the integrity of the boss, you are looking at how oh, it's a conditioned Oh, he's looking good and this and that what is the engine like? No, then oh the driver His father is a child is a paramount ruler. His uncle is the governor. You are looking at everything but the thing that matters What is the competence of the man that wants to drive your children? Five of them are going the only five you have are going on excursion from Uyo to Abuja And you are telling me of how rich the the driver is and how how wealthy the sister is the nollywood actress. Are you okay? Is it can you please don't tell me about how much money these people have money does not run government Tell me what is between their ears? Tell me their competence their capacity their character their capability Those should be the conversation today Because even the media sometimes they just do analysis on oh the man has capacity oh the man capacity to do What that is what what I call? Relevant experience We need to enlighten Nigerians that there's a difference between a monarch and a ceo A monarch is a lord that sits is an all bad at his worship But the ceo is an autumba of some sort somebody who is coming to get the work done And the moment our mindset is channeled in the right direction We'll start to do a proper profiling of the sort of person that should be our governor or our president Is it going to quickly on the daily trust newspaper? It's very interesting. It's it's still related to the past sector Niger Republic Bene Togo owes Nigeria or all Niger 5.8 billion Naira for power that was supplied or given to them in 2020 This is according to report and this is not really the first time we've had countries who are owing Nigeria. I mean so For services rendered, but I'd like to ask you react into that We're being owed this amount of money and we're saying that we don't have resources If you look at you know all of that for different Projects that we probably would have been back to on all different things that would have done for instance the educational sector On the other hand, do you think that this ideology of you not having power to cater for your needs as a country? It's okay for you to go ahead and supply power to other countries. They say charity begins at home You think that this is really a good brilliant idea because What's the rationale behind supplying power to other country when you're not able you know to boast of power supply in your own country? Let me shock you constant power supply by the way Let me shock you It's a smart move Why do I say so They have not explained to nigerians Some of the dynamics that apply in the power sector. They have not That there are two bodies One for power generation and the second for power distribution They have not told nigerians that a lot of times the generated power is not Evacuated is not collected by those who do the distribution Because those who do the distribution have to pay for what they collect and they feel that They would rather manage the system that they have We especially when they were doing this estimated billing, which is why every house is not metered Whether they give you power or they don't give you power they collect money from you Isn't it just cool business by their estimation that you collect money when you are not buying? Why would you want to buy? When you can collect money without rendering the service without paying for For for the buying the stuff So a lot of times let them come out and tell you that a lot of times power is generated But not evacuated as a media house. Please find out if what I've just said is true or not and Look at the second company that generates the power If they generate this power and it is not evacuated it is useless to them So it's smart thinking to say can we give it to who is willing to buy from us? Okay, and secondly, they have not told you how much we buy in Nigeria and how much they sell to others Thirdly, they've not told you how much money they've collected so far, but they are only telling you how much they are being owed We're in the budget. Do we have the subhead that shows where the money is collected? I'm not saying it doesn't exist. Don't get me wrong. The ones I know I'll tell you I'm saying that I've not seen it But they need to tell us where it is reflected in the budget because I can go and confirm But what I can tell you for a fact on my honor is that there is power generated But not evacuated because those who collect the power to distribute don't want to pay and collect When they can collect money from you for not giving you power By process called estimated billing and tell me why it is almost impossible We need to beg for you to have a meter in your house These are the things that Nigerians need to come to know because our government is not telling us the truth Well, Ezeko, yeah, I took I would really love to have this conversation with you Some of the time about the power that's generated and the power that's evacuated The question would be the power that's generated. What are we generating? How much have we generated really? Are we generating enough? Is it up to 12,000 megawatts? Or we just say that we're generating 4,000 or 3,000 I don't hope that you answered this one because we're out of time But thank you so much for being part of the breakfast We look forward to sharing more of your thoughts and great insights that you have brought Into they were appreciated. Thank you Always a privilege. Thank you for having me. All right And that's the size on off the press. We take a break when we return. We'll be looking at our first Major conversation right here. It's okay. Nigerians has been listed among countries that can actually, you know, uh, treat freely without any Restrictions whatsoever. We see what this means for us as a country. Stay with us