 Nothing good lasts forever. I gave you a three weeks vacation from Samvaknin, but It's over. I'm back with this video and Today we are going to discuss what I call the system of residuals Can two narcissists inhabit the same body now this sounds a bit like the exorcist or Demon possession or multiple personality disorder known today as Dissociative identity disorder, but actually it's none of the above I'm going to discuss the loaded question Can a narcissist be both overt and Covert at the same time and When this rare condition happens What does it mean? How do we identify such a narcissist and what can we do about it and what can the narcissists do about it? Is there any way out? To be one kind of narcissist is bad enough To be two kinds of narcissists in the same body at the same time this subultaneity or synchronicity is a horror show It's indeed a form of possession. It calls for exorcism sanctioned by the Catholic Church But I can't have this on my show. I'm a Jew. So I'm going to discuss psychology instead Profession largely invented and propagated by Jews throughout modern history Okay Antisemitism anti-semitism aside. Let's delve right into the topic of the video The problem starts with the concept of the unitary self At some point modern psychology had taken a detour Various scholars had come up with with concepts such as self ego Personality individual and these concepts had implied That we are all atoms We are kind of self-sufficient self-contained solipsistic universe We do pass each other in the night honking our horns our fog horns like two ships But otherwise we are totally separate. We can be studied in isolation in laboratories The context in which we are embedded for example the social context is secondary What matters are internal processes This is where psychology Started to become delusional or divorced from reality if I had to diagnose current psychology I would say that it has an impaired reality testing and why would I say that because there's no such thing as individual? probably there's no such thing as a self Definitely there's no such thing as a personality All these concepts are very misleading We are formed We become in a process which is lifelong as Ericsson had noted and This process involves other people all the time We are relational outcomes We emerge We coalesce Through Interactions with other people We are the sum total of our object relations starting with mommy and ending in the grave as We go through life as we find ourselves and meshed with other people We love we hate we find with the withdrawal. Yes withdrawal is also a form of reaction to people as We interact socially even if we are schizo it even if we are avoidant. We still interact. We're still forced to interact socially This all these All these environments Phenomena other people they form us they shape us they make us who we are Now this observation is not new of course It has been proposed by various object relation theories in the 1960s But since then psychology had taken an experimental turn Psychologists when they grow up want to be scientists. It's a form of vanity It's a form of grandiosity Psychologists are not happy with being psychologists. They want to be physicists. They want to belong to medicine They want to be to become a part of the sciences and so what psychologists had done in the past several decades Is that they began to place emphasis on laboratory experiments on studying animals as proxies for people Etc. Etc. This was a very wrong turn And so we ended up with a psychology that speaks very little to our common experiences We we had become alienated from psychology as strange from psychology We feel as if psychology has nothing to offer us and you know what the truth is that psychology has very little to offer us Which is why people gravitate to con artists coaches and other forms of low life so it was started with this error with this primordial sin of the unitary self Gradually over the past few decades there have been rebel movements for example the internal family system and others and these rebels intellectuals high-powered intellectuals and scholars Suggested another concept a substitute for the unitary self It's a form of operating system internal operating system a CPU and This internal operating system Determines which of several self-state Emerges at any given time Let's revert. Let's go back one step The new approach in psychology these new schools or relatively new schools Suggest that we actually don't have a self What we have instead is a family a Congregation a parish a group a collective of sub personalities Self-states or what I call pseudo identities Now these self states are indeed like a family in the sense that they are internal dynamics between them They also share a lot of information with each other. So they are only Partially dissociative the dissociation wall is permeable What one self states what one self state learns? the others share mostly not entirely but mostly so there is a common database of experiences which renders identity cohesive coherent and continuous We have these multiple self states They inhabit an internal space This internal space has a shared database of common memories These common memories give rise to a fluid but stable identity core and this identity core in turn Arranges the memories in meaningful ways identity core serves as an organizing principle an Explanatory principle and there's an operating system. There's an overriding Guiding principle so to speak which determines which of the self states emerges at any given point and How he how does this determination take place? How does the operating system decide which self state emerges at any given minute? It evaluates internal and external information Now this information is generated generated and provided by internal and external environments So the the operating system monitors environments external environments and internal environments all the time and then It renders its verdict. It makes a decision right now self-state number three Psychopathic self-state should emerge Right now self-state number one the narcissistic self-state should take over and right now Self-state number seven the codependent self-state the dependent self-state should kind of pervade the personality so self-states alternate sometimes Disingly and kaleidoscopically alternate among each other now in the majority of cases There are stable self-states which persists for weeks months years sometimes decades But when people are mentally ill for example in borderline personality disorder in narcissistic personality disorder The self-states change very often and they change among themselves. They take over they hand the baton They hand the in a relay kind of they do this Because the internal and external stimuli the internal and external information usually overwhelms Overwhelms the mentally ill person and creates dysregulation To cope with a threat of dysregulation the operating system Trots out pushes out another self-state, which is better capable and better able to cope with dysregulation So for example when the borderline is faced With a threat of humiliation and abandonment and rejection This threat real or imaginary overwhelms her she becomes dysregulated the Operating system of the borderline becomes alarmed The operating system notices that the borderline is about to decompensate and disintegrate then and there So the operating system hurries and Replaces the borderline self-state with a secondary psychopathic self-state The secondary psychopathic self-state is better capable of handling rejection Humiliation and abandonment even though it has its own drawbacks. For example, it's defined and reckless So this is how things work This is how things operate Within what used to be called the personality and I prefer to call the ego system Not the ego not the eco system, but the ego system or if you wish the personality space and what determines of course Which self-state will be selected by the operating system is self-efficacy Self-efficacy is the overriding constraint which the system seeks to optimize When hailing forth these sub personalities or pseudo identities Operating system wants you to be self-efficacious. In other words, it wants you to secure favorable outcomes from your external environment Taking into account your internal environment internal processes and dynamics Which are operating in you at any given moment so now We move into what I call system of residuals It's time to introduce myself. My name is Sam Vaknim and I'm the author of Malignant self-love Narcissism revisited. I'm also a professor of psychology This was the general introduction to self-state systems Which I believe and many other scholars believe is the regular normal state of things Everyone has a system of self-states not only mentally ill people, but people with mental health problems use the system much more They deploy the system much more often They exchange self-states. They transition or switch between self-states much more frequently Because they are dysregulated and overwhelmed by external and internal stimuli When all the relevant or available self-states at the disposal of the system are equally Self-efficacious What does the system do and? What about the obverse condition? What about the situation where all the self-states? Available to the system at the disposal of the system all these self-states are equally inept equally incompetent equally lacking in self-efficacy Equally unable to operate on the external environment and to guarantee to operate on and in the external environment and with the external environment To guarantee favorable outcomes What happens when all these self-states are losers? when they are not built incapable of Functioning when they are dysfunction in this case The system may opt may decide to maintain two or more self-states in operation Simultaneously, it's kind. It's a kind of hedging. It's a kind of insurance Imagine the system as this old matriarchal figure a matron mother the system says to itself I Can't really use self-state number three. I Should have used self-state number three the circumstances had changed the external environment is menacing and threatening There is dysregulation In the internal environment, so I should have used self-state number three, but self-state number three is good for nothing It's a loser It's not efficacious So I can't use state self-state number three on the other hand the nearest substitute self-state number seven is Equally hopeless equally incompetent, so I can't use self-state number seven as well What am I to do poor me poor operating system? So let me use self-state number three and self-state number seven together Now they may compensate for each other's shortcomings This is a kind of insurance or hedging If I use multiple self-states Then maybe the favorable outcome the desired result will ultimately be obtained. However, imperfectly so the operating system on rare occasions May decide to use may select two self-states three self-states and Keep them upfront public-facing simultaneously in this case we have what I call a state of residuals a State of residuals is a mental state where two or more Self-states pseudo identities or self-personalities are in charge. It's like a ship with two captains And so You know in in ancient Rome there were constellations of two or three scissors Governing simultaneously the triumvirate and so on so it's the same two or two or three or four self-states in charge simultaneously and this Ineluctably leads to dissonance and to internalized aggression because most self-states are mutually exclusionary in other words self-state number seven has very little in common with self-state number three and When both of them are in charge they're likely to clash and confront Exactly like two incompatible people in a couple They're likely to fight all the time They're likely to generate a lot of internalized aggression and they're likely to lead the person into a state known as dissonance Now I've described in previous in previous videos and in lectures I had given for example The lecture I had given in McGill at McGill University in Canada. I described my model of personality Personality disorders, I'm sorry, and I had suggested that people can transition between personality disorders via what I call a collapsed bridge or a collapsed state but the system of residuals is An adaptation and enhancement of my original concept What I'm now suggesting is that people transition between personality disorders and between subtypes of personality disorders for example between overt narcissism and covert narcissism between overt borderline and covert borderline, so people transition between subtypes of personality disorders and even between personality disorders via a bridge a Collapsed bridge when they collapse what the original personality disorder no longer guarantees favorable outcomes people switch to another personality disorder or subtype of personality disorder. I Am now suggesting that sub times on rare occasions When people try to effect this transition when people try to cross the collapsed bridge From one personality disorder to another for one subtype of personality disorder to another When they try to cross the bridge they get stuck in the middle They're unable to complete the transition at that point a collapsed narcissists for example may evolve Into a binary system of two residual self states an overt narcissists and a covert narcissists So we have for example an overt narcissists the overt narcissists Collapses is unable to secure narcissistic supply At that point of collapse many overt narcissists Transition to covert narcissists they become covert They cross the bridge of collapse The overt narcissists Crosses the bridge of collapse into a covert state The system the operating system takes care of that It hides suppresses Represses deactivates disables switches off one self state, which is the overt narcissistic self state and It activates switches on another self state, which is the covert narcissistic self state Having completed this transition successfully the overt narcissists becomes a full-fledged covert narcissists as a covert narcissists He has a chance to succeed as an overt narcissists. He had collapsed But what happens when the overt narcissists? tries to cross the bridge of collapse and Fails to cross the bridge of collapse between because both the overt narcissistic self state and the covert narcissistic self state Are equally and in efficacious the equally incompetent the equally inefficient In other words, what do we what happens? when we have a narcissist who Collapses both as a or as an overt narcissists and as a covert narcissists someone who Cannot function as an overt narcissists, but equally cannot function as a covert narcissists Someone who fails to secure favorable outcomes as an overt narcissists But then goes on to discover that he is equally Equally an equal failure as a covert narcissists So is a failure is an overt narcissists, but then he's a failure as a covert narcissists in this case The transition from overt to covert will never be completed The person the narcissist who is trying to transform himself from overt to covert The operating system of these narcissists will determine That such a transition is dangerous because the covert narcissistic state is as Self-inefficacious as the overt state the covert state is as likely to collapse as the overt state Head collapse the covert state is as likely to create despair depression self-hatred Self-loading and self-destruction as the overt state had done So there's no point to fully transition between overt and covert the same negative Outcomes are guaranteed and negative affectivity so What to do in this case? Well, the answer of the operating system is we maintain both these both conditions We maintain the overt narcissism and we maintain the covert narcissism simultaneously the operating system creates a binary system of two Residual self states and overt narcissists and a covert narcissist in the same body at the same time Both conditions the overt narcissism and the covert narcissists both cell states are Equally in apt and incompetent at securing narcissistic supply from outside sources but the operating system hopes that Putting together the overt and the covert Can miraculously somehow Create a third entity so to speak which may be better able however Residually Better able to obtain supply Again, it's a kind of insurance kind of hedging Let's take the good aspects of the overt narcissists and the good aspects of the covert narcissists Combine them together in a binary state and hope for the best Such a constellation Is geared to generate self supply It does it in two very surprising ways The overt Self-state is By definition Superior to the covert self state now you remember In this particular case there has been a collapse of the overt state Normally They would have been a transition from covert state from overt state to covert state There's been a collapse of the overt state and there would have been a transition from overt state to covert state via the bridge of collapse normally But in this particular case Both the overt state and the covert state are hopeless Their losers They're incompetent in apt unable to obtain supply. So the operating system keeps both of them in operation Maintains both of them doesn't switch off any single one of them But still the overt narcissists is what the covert narcissists wants to be when he grows up The covert narcissists envies the overt narcissists the overt narcissists holds the covert narcissists in contempt The dynamic between these two self-states is very negative The overt self-state superiority to the covert state Leads the overt state to reject the covert self state. I Repeat the overt state in this binary system Holds the covert state in contempt and rejects the covert state The overt the overt state regards the covert state as a good for nothing loser as a nobody as a non-entity as a failure The covert state on the other hand envies the overt state Subotages the overt state Undermines the overt state hates the overt state. There's no love lost between the overt and the covert state the covert state fantasizes About being and becoming an overt state and the overt state Wants to eliminate the covert state because the overt state finds the covert state embarrassing shameful Disgraceful in other words a form of constant narcissistic injury and even modification internal modification So there's a war The minute the operating system had opted to not do anything to not switch off any self-state To allow several state self-states to reign supreme Simultaneously at that moment the operating system had created a state of dissonance Which is so extreme that it can only be described as internal conflict a war the overt states aggression towards the covert is Recycled by the covert now remember Aggression is a form of energy and there's a law of conservation of energy. There's a law of conservation of aggression If one self-state is aggressive towards another self-state This aggression simply passes hands the overt state hands over aggression to the covert state transfers aggression to the covert state when the overt state maligns humiliates Demins and degrades the covert state The overt state is being aggressive to the covert state and this aggression is transferred from the overt state to the covert state No, what can the covert state do with this aggression? It has to do something with it as again It's a form of energy think of it as a battery now the covert states battery is charged with aggression Courtesy the overt state what to do with it the covert Recycles the aggression the covert recycles the aggression in two ways first of all the covert develops depression Depression is a form of self-directed aggression. It's a form of using up the aggression in Self-destructive self-defeating ways the aggression is used up as of in in Hopelessness the aggression is used up via self-loathing and the aggression is used up via reckless dangerous acts which reflect self-destructiveness and Dynamics of self-defeat This is one way the covert uses the aggression of the overt The covert leverages this aggression to create a state of state of depression Which again is self-directed aggression the second way the covert incorporates the aggression Into sadistic fantasies. You remember that the covert's main state of mind is fantasy The covert uses a fantasy defense to survive the covert The covert in itself is unable to obtain supply The covert fantasizes about obtaining supply. That's true for any covert narcissists by the way Covert narcissism is an extreme fantasy defense even more extreme than overt narcissism both conditions involve grandiose fantasies so But the covert's Fantasies as distinct from the overt's fantasies the covert's fantasies often involve aggression aggression violence Sadism the humiliation of others humiliation of others and worse so The overt state is Aggressive towards the covert state. They are both coterminous. They're both. They both inhabit the body at the same time One of them should is should have been switched off But the operating system preferred to keep both of them operational and on so they fight They hate each other the overt state is attacking the covert state This attack is a transfer of aggression transfer of energy The covert state takes this energy takes this aggression and recycles it One way by generating depression, which is self directed aggression in another way by engaging in Sadistic fantasies, which is other directed aggression in other words the covert internalizes the some of the aggression and Externalizes some of the aggression, but this externalization is fantastic. It's not a real life. It's only in his fantasies the overt and the covert states actually Collude in creating what we call a sublimatory channel Again one step back sublimation is the socially acceptable expression of urges primitive urges and drives for example the sex drive So a sublimatory channel is a very fancy way of saying a socially acceptable way of Expressing primitive drives and urges. So if I have a sex drive Or an urge to have sex I would convert it into a socially acceptable way I would sublimate it and I would use a sublimatory channel If I have aggression Which is also social socially unacceptable. I would try to transform the aggression Into into us into socially acceptable things socially acceptable behaviors As I convert my aggression into socially acceptable behavior. I am sublimating it using sublimatory channels in the binary system when the overt and the covert coexist Core control core rain are both in charge They collude they collaborate in creating a sublimatory channel for the pent-up rage envy and resentment That they collapse had created When the narcissist collapses It's a very very harrowing and traumatic experience. It may lead to modification Modification, I have numerous videos on modification in this channel and I recommend that you watch them But what modification dies does it disables the grandiose defenses? It disables the false self in effect. It leaves analysis defenseless skinless technically a borderline It transitions analysis it into a borderline state so any collapse Generates a lot of rage Disappointment dysphoria resentment envy and other negative effects This is a volcano This is an eruption of negativity The narcissist experiences it as a form of disintegration in extreme cases or minimally as an extreme narcissistic injury And so what to do with all this energy? The covert and the the overt of the covert collaborate the overt takes this energy and Directs it at the covert So the collapse had created negative energy The overt narcissists takes this negative energy and Capsulates it packages it and hands it over to the covert It attacks the covert state It loaves the covert state it maligns and humiliates the covert state It rejects the covert state it berates and be me and demeans and criticizes the covert state this way the overt state Hands over the negative energy of the collapse to the covert state The covert state is better equipped to deal with aggression Covert state had been dealing with aggression throughout his life So the covert state is in charge of aggression sublimating aggression Repackaging aggression recycling aggression transforming aggression aggression is the covert sting The overt narcissists is very primitive when it comes to aggression. He becomes Psychopathic defined reckless consummations the covert narcissists is much more subtle. So the covert state Uses the aggression Transforms it into depression and into sadistic fantasies Both of these are socially acceptable Society accepts a state of depression Society accepts fantasy as long as it is not translated into action So the covert acts in a sublimatory way The covert transforms the covert state self state transforms the aggression into socially acceptable behaviors and means When aggression is channeled via grandiosity It can resolve into one or more Speech acts. So when the covert takes the aggression and channels it redistributes it Recycles it transforms it repackages it The covert generates four types of voice internal voice Kind of introject body less introject the covert's internal monologue or internal dialogue Is comprised of four strands for streams of consciousness four types of speech acts first Judgmental contemptuous and superior are man-equaled and the best and the first and the most This judgmentally contemptuous voice Helps the overt Express his negative energy his aggression via the covert So it is a kind of courtesy courtesy channel Provided by the covert to the overt. It's like the covert is telling the overt. Listen, you are really a wacko You're crazy. You're dangerous. So here I'm giving you an outlet. I'm giving you a way to express your aggression Please use it Be judgmental be contemptuous to to other people or to me So the covert the covert state the covert self-state allows the overt self-state to abuse it It encourages internal abuse Within the system within the binary system the overt Abuses the covert and the covert allows it to happen because this is the only way to Safely release the negative aggressive potentially violent energy of the overt having had collapsed Collapse generates this nuclear grade energy and the judgmental contemptuous channel allows the overt to vent to afloat The second channel is the victorious channel. I'm unique for better or worse for better or worse I can be unique as a loser. I can be unique as a failure to be unique as a victim even then I'm unique The victorious voices. I'm more than you. I'm unique. You're not and So the victorious channel is a channel which is used both by the overt and the covert Both the overt and the covert don't forget a grandiose Both overt narcissism and covert narcissism are founded on grandiose fantasy They're both fantasy defenses The only difference is the covert does not succeed to translate fantasy into reality While the overt is much more self-efficacious in obtaining supply, but they're both victorious They're both grandiose. So this is a mutual channel a shared channel We have one sublimatory channel dedicated to the overt Judgmental contemptuous channel. We have a second second channel, which is a victorious channel, which is a shared channel The third channel is the merciful empathic channel. The merciful empathic channel Is again given to the overt. It's usually an exclusively overt channel But sometimes it is shared It is a channel that says I pity people because they are inferior to me I have compassion For people I act charitably, but I do it ostentatiously so that I can garner narcissistic supply praise for example The narcissist is merciful empathic and forgiving Because being merciful empathic and forgiving renders him prosocial and communal and allows him to garner supply In a way the narcissist is saying look at me. I conform to social expectations. Don't I deserve praise for this? Don't I deserve narcissistic supply? So the merciful empathic channel is more common or more typical of the overt, but can be used by both and Finally the last channel is the educational channel, which can also is also a shared channel We have three shared channels and one channel dedicated to the overt because it is the overt Who had undergone the collapse? It's the overt who needs a specialized channel The self-state the overt self-state still harbors and reflects the wounds of the collapse It's still a traumatized post-traumatic state. It's still a wounded state and injured state So the first sublimatory channel judgmental contemptuous is dedicated to the overt state But the other three are shared between the two self-states in control the overt and the covert The last channel is my favorite and also the most functional by far is the educational channel It says I'm a guru. I'm an intellectual. I'm a thought leader I elevate other elevate other people to my level by teaching them the educational sublimatory channel or educational voice has three pillars one learning versus ignorance the Educational channel educational voice Encourages the overt narcissist and the covert narcissist to adopt a position of learning and teaching So sometimes they learn sometimes they teach in order to learn These self-states have to acknowledge ignorance. In other words, they have to acknowledge inferiority But this is very misleading because learning makes you better Learning makes you more Learning something makes you superior adding knowledge and erudition and information Makes you prevail So learning even though it includes Implicitly is founded it implicitly on an admission of ignorance Learning is a process of becoming superior Teaching is About being superior So when you teach you you are superior when you learn you're becoming superior in other words learning and teaching fully satisfied grandiosity And so the educational channel Is the most sublimatory of all the educational voice is the most socially acceptable of all the four voices Because it involves socially commendable socially encouraged activities such as learning and teaching and Because it allows the covert and the overt states to acknowledge ignorance In other words to humble themselves they experience humility Even though it's fleeting Even though even though it's humility at the service of superiority Even though it's humility that leads to added grandiosity. It is still humility. It's a healing voice it's a voice that causes transformation in the Outlines in the features of the internal binary system it reduces grandiosity by converting it into Socially acknowledged socially sanctioned superiority in other words The educational sublimatory channel the educational voice converts grandiosity into self-esteem renders narcissistic supply which is pathological into healthy supply or self-supply which is the foundation of self-esteem It converts grandiosity to self-esteem now in a binary system Because there has been a collapse and Because both self states are in efficacious In obtaining supply the binary system is always a system of self-supply So this is a very important thing to understand the binary system is created when the With the residual system the binary system is created when the operating system decides That both the overt state and the covert state are equally inefficacious in obtaining supply So now they can't obtain supply the overt state had failed had collapsed in obtaining supply and the covert state It's incapable of obtaining supply. So now we have a binary system with two self states both of them very bad at obtaining supply So instead what they do they create a system of self-supply I have a video about self-supply in this channel. They create a system of self-supply the overt self-state generates supply by humiliating and berating and attacking the covert self-state It endows the overt state with a sense of superiority so The self-supply in this system is actually an outcome of the conflict and the dissonance The overt the overt's need for supply is satisfied the covert state Generates self-supply via the fantasy defense So the overt state feels superior Feels on top Feels gratified feels grandiose Because the overt state has a covert state which it can humiliate berate attack demean criticize, etc It's a kind of sadistic self-supply It's kind of inner critic writ large Sadistic inner critic harsh inner critic so the overt state converts itself Into a harsh inner critic and derive supply From what it does to the covert state The covert state derives supply self-supply By engaging in sadistic fantasies and it is sadistic fantasies the covert state prevails It's victorious wins. It's on top humiliates other people torches them We have self-state in two locations One location is overt By humiliating the covert state and one location is covert By engaging in sadistic fantasies And so the educational voice Gradually converts the grandiosity underlying these mechanisms into self-esteem And it accomplishes that by engaging In activities which are socially commendable and acceptable So that the resulting supply is very healthy And can garner and yield self-esteem rather than grandiosity the educational voice educational sublimatory channel Is also founded on honest communication and on empathy In order to teach someone in order to learn You must engage in open communication in honest direct communication. Otherwise, no real learning and teaching take place Additionally, you need to put yourself in another in the students shoes In order to teach you need to understand the needs and wishes and deficiencies of the other When you teach someone you impart knowledge in ways which are favorable which are helpful to the recipient So you need to get to know the recipient Similarly when you seek to learn something You need to realize what the other person has to offer In both these situations you need to empathize So the educational voice The educational sublimatory channel Encourages humility healthy supply self-esteem Honest communication and empathy It's the beginning of healing The binary system is a unique opportunity for healing Because not single self-state is in charge Not one self-state is in control The resistance is low The resistance to inside The resistance to change is lower than usual And because there's a lot of dissonance and conflict in the binary system Because the overt self-state is attacking the covert self-state in order to generate self-supply And because the covert self-state is engages or retreats Or disappears or vanishes or withdraws into a state of fantasy So the covert self-state is now totally a fantastic state And derives self-supply from the fantasy Both these self-states become vulnerable And they're vulnerable not only to attack from the outside Which would yield to modification They're vulnerable to change They're vulnerable to healing So One thought One direction Is maybe to induce artificially In therapy To induce a binary system To induce this synchronicity of two self-states rather than one Maybe in some ways we can engineer the collapse So as to generate To create To force the operating system to create A binary residual system Where two self-states reign supreme at the same time And engage in conflict in order to generate self-supply Rendering them vulnerable to intervention from the outside In many ways that is what I had been doing in cold therapy Intuitively By re-traumatizing the patient I had created or had induced Collapse Actually modification And some patients Were unable to replace The self-states The self-state that had been traumatized The self-state that had been subjected to cold therapy The self-state that had been modified They some patients were unable to replace this self-state with another self-state So they remain stuck with two or three or four self-states Simultaneously Which allowed me In level two and level three of cold therapy to integrate these self-states Via the educational sublimatory channel To provide these self-states with a socially acceptable alternative a sublimatory alternative To encourage these self-states not to be judgmental Not to be contemptuous not to be victorious But to engage in learning and to engage in teaching Via empathy and via honest communication I've done it and it's doable But we need to render the narcissists vulnerable open We need to render the narcissists humble Humble by its own turmoil inner turmoil By its own indecision By the dissonance between the two self-states that had remained the residual self-states Only then the narcissists is weak enough His defenses are down enough. His firewall is disabled You're able to enter as a therapist and create some change