 Assalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabakum guys to another how I've learned Arabic or how I learned Arabic Series it's been a long time. So I can't remember what was the you know the the salutation of it But a Bakher inshallah you guys already know how this works. I'll bring you guys brothers and sisters perhaps That they have learned Arabic and I asked them how they did it basically so What I would like right now from you a key Arshad is to introduce yourself a little bit and give us a little bit of Context on how you've learned Arabic So just a little bit about me also. So my name is Arshad as he just introduced me So I have an Indian background But I grew up in different countries. I grew I lived in Kuwait for a small amount of time When I say small I lived there for 10 years went to a secular school I did it took very little Arabic And then from there I moved to the United Arab Emirates for another 10 years and then from there I moved to the US So, but I have an Indian background. So that's like a little start My first exposure to any sort of Arabic was obviously in Kuwait Since I went to a secular school, there's very little or almost no Dean in my life I mean and then you have the government forces you to take some religion because by law They even if you're a pure secular school, you take some religion and you take some Arabic Right by law in Kuwait. So there are a lot of foreigners even Muslims They have some idea of the Arabic language like they were able to read with the tashkir like the the the Harkat you tell them had the bait and so they know the bear basic even the non-Muslims No, but to the next level because in countries like Kuwait or even the Emirates Your your interaction with the Arabs is is very limited except at work SubhanAllah, it's a very strange thing. I mean, I don't I don't I don't know if people know about this You you stay in your own bubble like if you're someone from an Indo Paxani background You go to your own schools and if your schools are secular you get a secular education You'll find a lot of people fluent in the English language But they don't know are they barely know any Arabic and they they've lived there all their lives So when I moved to the Emirates, I did my engineering there and then after I did my engineering My third year or fourth year of when I was in engineering one of my old friends He started growing out of beard I Didn't see him for a long time and then I saw him and I was like Hey, what happened to you? You know, I mean, you know, you know the Muslims, you know some countries everybody thinks, you know There are no banks. There are no this, you know, they're like the Sahab But I know a lot of ways we're not even practicing we you know We listen to hip-hop and that was a culture even among the Muslims So and I saw him as like, you know, what happened to you? You know, why are you doing this to yourself? We've been freezing or something And you tell me no, no, you know, you know, we need to become better and then after that, you know I forgot about him, you know, I knew that this friend of mine changed then I heard other people like randomly Oh, this guy he started growing a beard. He was just I didn't get it and then I went to this gym I used to love martial arts. I mean I until last year I did for almost 12 13 years I met this American brother. He was he was in the military SubhanAllah and then he became Muslim and and then that was the first time I really really came across our adult With people like appear practicing Muslims on a day-to-day basis and then I noticed, you know He was always on time. He took his classes very seriously, which is very unusual like the Muslims are always late Yeah That's true So I he was he was a very nice brother and he like Bennett What was shocking was it was we were doing they were in class. It was Salatul Maghrib, right? No, and he's like, let's all stop because all the martial arts classes that I went to before They would just keep training and he's like, let's stop her prayer and I was like, what? What's he doing? Yeah, and then he took us to the masala that was downstairs This is a name of living in the Muslim countries because you have muscle that's everywhere Yeah, and he prayed and I'm like, this is strange. What is this guy? What's going on here? So that was like my first exposure to like really practicing Muslims and then After I graduated I got a lot more serious with life in general and then I watched this one video That I came across and it was that was just the start of my change and I told myself That was her when I was around 22 23. I just started working in Dubai. I was like, you know what? I'm gonna learn this language the biggest problem I had was most of the these Arabic classes that they have in the Islamic centers Because if you go to these secular institutes, it's all mixed and you're just like So I didn't want to go there. I went to all the Islamic centers The biggest problem is that so there are two things either they start the class and after like two three months They would shut the program because people stop coming or if the sheikh is really busy He just stops coming and the other issue which I think you spoke about in your podcast also Was they teach you on the grammar rules and for somebody like me who you know who learned English growing up who learned like Urdu is one of the other languages that I just learned just Dealing with people I just picked up the language and I told myself There's no ways that Arabic is this difficult that all you do they started teaching me. I was on a stuff I mean today. I'm thinking of it. I was like, why are they doing this to me? Yeah, I mean it was like, okay There's something wrong that I went to Some of my friends. I was like, you know, this isn't right man I mean there's something we're all I'm doing is learning grammar. There's no vocabulary There's and then I actually went to the teacher I said, you know, this this method doesn't make any sense to me because for somebody who's learned different languages is You I never learned even so I told him I was like, I don't understand why we're only learning just grammar I don't you there's no vocabulary to it and I don't think so. He was too happy with whatever I said But he said this is the right one hedge even though it's not a big issue But he said this is the right way to do it and SubhanAllah then I was like, you know what I'm gonna stop these classes. I'm gonna study I just googled all I did is I was like who's teaching Arabic classes and stuff Then I came across this website. It was called Huda online courses something along. So there there was an online one-on-one Arabic teacher that I found on Skype And they said this teacher said he's gonna teach at Arbiyat-e-Bene-Yadik This was my first any sort of exposure to Real Arabic. I mean SubhanAllah. I mean I knew a lot of vocabulary like the basic stuff But so the first 200 pages we rushed through really quick because I was like, oh, this is easy Had that bit. Yeah, Assalamu alaikum My woman Jim Magin see I took this is all pretty easy So then after 200 pages he started taking slow. It was a lot of memorization vocabulary And he spoke to me only in Arabic from day one my instructor like Either he barely spoke in English, or I didn't want to speak in English with me Yeah, so he only spoke to me in Arabic and then I finished the first book I finished the second book and that's when I had to leave UAE SubhanAllah after spending 20 years. It was very saddening for me But sorry, I'm listening. Yeah I'm just gonna write down because there's things that you mentioned in that I want to come back to it So I don't want to forget. So if you see me writing, it's not that I'm ignoring you I'm actually writing down what you're saying So once I feel I think I was almost done with the second book or I was pretty close and then I had to leave the UAE I Went to the US. My wife is an Egyptian American. That's just another story altogether I specifically wanted to get married to an Arab for a few reasons, but I moved to the US And then I continued studying Arabic on Skype. I finished the third book also while I was doing the third book I wanted to continue my Islamic studies in Arabic So I told myself the only way I keep constantly improving if I started moving all my studies to Arabic and not English anymore Mm-hmm. So I took the exam. I'm doing I'm still doing the degree. I'm not sure if you've heard of Madinah international and Probably heard about it. Yeah, but oh, yeah I took the exam because you're if you're a non-Arab if you don't have a diploma or if you don't have one of these things You got to take an Arabic exam. Hmm. I'm doing that exam I was only doing the third book of it. I'll be a tabani a dick and I thought it was pretty easy Mm-hmm. I took the exam. I Passed through it the first semester. I have to admit it was I found it very difficult I was like I was even asking myself. Why am I doing this to myself? I can just chill and Hamdolah after the first semester my grades were into a good the first semester and the second semester it was Hamdolah it got much much better And then the third one I noticed my grades start going up But what I noticed was my motivation was going down. I mean I got better at the language But after a point I felt like I'm just studying for the whole I got an exam. All right, 200 pages Subhanallah So that's one of the issues about the University curriculum is that they give you 600 pages of And they want you to finish the book by yourself. You read through it. I mean people benefit from it I definitely benefited from all of them and Quran and subjects of most other hadith There's no doubt, but I felt like 600 pages 500 pages of PDF You have to go through listen to lectures and you have to do your own research for all the assignments It was very like I don't know even now. I'm like is this good or bad? It's good You're gaining knowledge, but you rush through a lot of the stuff, but I don't know where to stop the Hamdolah, this is where I am right now I started giving a code buzz because I feel like I can translate a lot of the materials of the scholars Rather than me what a lot of the Khatibs today what I noticed was there during a lot of storytelling Yeah, some reason they I mean I'm not against them story But if that's the only thing there's no ayat of the Quran, there's no hadith that should There's something about that as well. I remember in London. They they asked me to to do a Khutbah in in two-team Broadway Masjid and he told me make sure you You do storytelling Okay, it's true that storytelling even from a business perspective. It does they sell They say words tell and stories sell So like, you know, it makes the person Emotionally or it stimulates the emotions of the of the person basically. So maybe that's not the reason Okay, I mean, I mean like I said, I'm not against people's but the problem is if that's the only thing that and if you check the story That they're telling let's say the the story between Imam Ahmed and the baker, right? Once I went back to the the references a lot of the references. There is no It is just there's no foundation on the story. They're like, this is much more but if you go back, there's nothing Yeah, there's a lot of people you just using this this story which is as well an issue was, you know, a subject remind or using Words, I mean stories that don't have no Or you don't have no Dalil or no substance that it is a hadith Sahih or Ather You know, there's a subject is a subject is must-alain in itself if you can actually, you know use it to to perhaps preach or pick out points of of those things But uh, but yeah, but I could laugh it for for the introduction I read a few things because I didn't want to to forget And I wanted to go back to it, which is when you was mentioning, you know, the teacher in You said he was Kuwait or Emirates, I think it was Emirates Yes, Emirates, so he was pretty much teaching all all grammar and what not It's interesting that you said that because You see me in Anders Institute that come we have a you know I have a team behind me if I was my myself I would definitely not be able to to take care of over a hundred and fifty students and and you know provide the same result to everyone so One of our team members is a set up or share of the towab, which is I was my My teacher in Egypt basically so all my Arabic I know is is through it is you know from Allah and then from you know from all his teachings and and all up until today I Need to tell him What what I want from him to you know prepare for me or or get me ready or things like that because It's like It's like yeah, you know you forgot words. Why are you not writing down these words? And he's like yeah, but these words are known. He's like yeah, but we we know We are we come from zero. We don't have no Arabic. So he's not it's not known to us He's you know I'm trying to say like for example, he wouldn't write. I don't know You know that about or Baytun or he's like no shit. We need them because we don't know it It's not known to us. He's okay And there is things like for them is is and I remember even when I was in Egypt in them the school I was studying Arabic the first year The the person who used to to train not you know It doesn't mean that that because he's trained them has more knowledge in the Arabic language than them But training them on the on the man had just you said that the methodology of teaching He was French he was the director of the of the school and he was French and basically mentoring them telling them what us as You know Non-Arabic speakers we need to go through in order for us to attain the the known Yeah, no this is known for us level basically and yeah It's just interesting because it's not everyone and a lot of people have you know make this mistake that oh No, I rather study with this Arab person because he he's Arab He's gonna teach me better, but that's not the case in most of the times Actually someone who who is not out of and being through the process of not knowing the Arabic language and learn the Arabic language Then is most of the times more qualified to to teach you the Arabic language if you have kind of like same backgrounds That's non-Arabic speaker. So yeah, that was that was interesting that you said that because Because that's you know, most of even have the top my machine He would say I would tell me I can you can you benefit my students and he's like no, that's too the level is too Hafid for me. It's not You know, it's not I can't I don't know how to teach to beginners basically He's yeah, and I'm telling you I'm talking about I'm talking about he's like I remember when we were in class He would be memorized in a shot like he would be rising Arabic poetry as I'm writing down in the As you know, he writes down on the back on the black on the whiteboard and then I have to write down in the In the daftar, he would take those two three minutes just to keep memorizing things like that So he's a beast in Arabic, but it's just he just doesn't you know being a beast doesn't mean that you know how to How to teach you know, yeah, so as a fan like he was You know, it was it was it was a funny point that you mentioned. So why do you think that? You know after going from this method then You know and you feeling after a while that you're not gaining much and you're not feeling You know fulfilled in terms of what you learn from Arabic language, and then you found a lot of it I think why do you say this was kind of like the first? You know real book or you know the first approach that I had to Yeah So when I was learning right so what I did was I kept my Arabic classes that the with those stuff that that was an mbm Ritz and I started doing an obvious to be any I think what I noticed was I In three months. I was speaking Arabic Which you know, I you can sit with the other was that for two years if you I'm telling you if you could say they have to let bait I would have been surprised because Because you're doing a lot of grammar, but you don't know how to put a sentence together So what what was the benefit because I told him and I spoke to him in Arabic at this point I was in his car, and I was like and I spoke to an Arabic I saw his face change because he was just surprised that I was yeah, and then the only thing I told him listen I don't understand that how you could you know He told me that I know a lot of Arabs when they become religious they go study Nahu and Saf But for you, it's great because you already have the vocabulary But for somebody who's trying to learn the language if you don't have the vocabulary there It's almost depressing because you can't even express yourself with the very basic. Of course Yeah There's a lot of everything I think is always my I mean, this is what we what we study and In in others in shooting. He's always my even when people ask me what what Marcus You think I should go to Egypt. There's all these maracas They came up with their own books and he's full of grammar. I think that just goes to the you know Whatever have worked don't try and reinvent reinvent. Yeah, how many people did become fluent in Arabic through a lot of it I think it's just incredible I mean I tried the a lot of it to be in a big with a bunch of kids in In an after school program. I noticed a lot of the kids They really like a lot of it to be in a day that they had another curriculum also Which is like more grammar based. I noticed the kids don't really enjoy it This is also a difference like when it's more spoken. I noticed the kids were more interactive They enjoyed the language, but when you teach grammar, I feel like everybody's like they're like, oh, I don't want to They don't enjoy it anymore So they don't know how to use this practically and you got to feel the language if you don't feel the language Oh, you're doing is grammar plus. I think this is what it's just the like many times when you When when people ask me on how to learn Arabic, I bring them back to when you was a kid How do you learn a you know, I just think that's the natural way This is how they like why they like it more because kids they have fit right in all types of in all aspects So learning a language, I mean I've learned five languages myself and these is the same exact method then then like one language if you learn one language if we speak in English right now if there's anyone out there listening right now and and they think in Or they speak English already. I'll see if they listen in understanding if you have learned one language You can learn Arabic isn't it's not big deal is the same exact process. Just Keep building your vocabulary keep building your vocabulary until until until you you know You just have so much vocabulary that you that you speak in the language pretty much So so yeah, I just think it's the natural way I wouldn't go to it any other way I think like people would just come up with new methods and they just trying to Reinvent and reinventing like be different, but it's not all the time It's always it's not always good to be different and you know come up with new stuff like be that I in general It's not good So yeah, what I wanted to ask you about is um once you said because there's something um I Always tell my students and we actually one when a student joins the Our our program on Wednesdays I have an onboarding call with with new students and one of the main things that I want them to To keep in mind and what I want them what I want to emphasize on is for them to go over the introduction Modules so we have four modules and the first one is the introduction, which is what I call brain hacking and so And so one of the you know the main things that we focus on these for our introduction Training is to get rid of motivation and welcome discipline because if you rely on motivation after one or three months is done and something really interesting is that every time I The when I say that I student for example my say yeah, I need to leave the program or Yeah, it's not working for me or or just disappear literally stop You know completing an assessment or anything like that. I check on their pro pro progress Some of them they don't know I can do that But I check their progress and I see if they have watched and went over the introduction Oops, I just lost you Wait one second my screen went black. Yeah, there you go. So I check um I Check their progress and if they went over the introduction and most of those who left or stopped or Whatever they haven't gone through over the introduction and I always tell them is the hardest thing the hardest thing to watch and to go over into and to kind of like put in practice But it's the thing that will is your foundation of of reaching the goal. Basically, you see I'm trying to say he's like Yeah, you go you trying to do a six month Desert marathon walking or whatever it is in ages go with a pair of Shoes and in some things like you don't even prepare for it. You see I'm saying like you see the journey already What how is it gonna be? But you don't get the necessary tools that is gonna allow you to to be able to achieve that goal, which is water You know, whatever vitamins or whatever you need to stay in the middle of the desert for for six months So, um, so yeah, what do you think you? How do you kind of like changed or fixed that problem when you said that your motivation was going down? So, um, you know, like I Mean, I Hamdollah this especially this last semester. I've gotten a lot more serious And even even my Arabic teacher like I still study other focusing more on poetry and bad I'm because that's like I feel like the next step just helped me with my university So I remember I was like getting a little I was slacking No, my Arabic teacher was like listen if you're gonna study with me you have to be serious You know like you can't just come in 10 class Just chill and he's like no if you're gonna take this seriously You got to put in the time you have to put in the hours you got a device you just can't come into class and then expect to like benefit and You got to put in the time I mean anything that I've learned even from martial arts If you don't really have that dedication or really if you don't really want it You're not going to see results because I've noticed the first day in the gym or even when they're learning Arabic Everyone's like how long is it going to take me a two months three months? And it's it's before I forget it's so Crazy that you just say this because I always tell my students if you are not obsessed about becoming fluent in Arabic You're not gonna achieve you're not gonna complete the program if you're not obsessed about it to the point where And and it's funny as well that he said that I asked you how do you fix that? And you tell me what my teacher told me and basically put pressure on me so Like he's always his little You know systems like this that I think Helps with uh with getting back that That discipline but yeah go on Yeah, I mean it's just so well So recently there's his brother who lives right close to my house And uh, he told me that he was studying Arabic online for about a year And then he was just like he's like I was learning but I just felt like uh, you know, I was barely I mean He said his progress was slow. He was learning. I love you to be in the attic. I told him listen Have this attitude when you're going he said he did pharmacy I told him when you go into you know, call it the pharmacy or something You know, you got a four years path, right? Just tell yourself Finish the whole curriculum be disciplined in that time. Make sure you study put in the time Don't ask yourself every month Because if you keep you got to just tell you you need to have a mindset that all right Let me study go through the whole program and be disciplined throughout the whole thing And then all right ask us if you see no progress at all Maybe there's an issue with the instructor But generally people are not patient So that's when you got to be like really really forced And I say for yourself you you need to have that passion. I've noticed a lot of people they want to learn Arabic But if you're if you don't have that passion inside of you You you're not going to get across. It's hard. It's hard. It's while sometimes I don't know what to What to advise to some of my students on Sundays we do we have what we call performance tracking calls Which is basically where we talk and assist them on a on a more personal Individual level and sometimes it's just like You know every every Sunday we set objective for the next week some of the students They don't they don't achieve those objective for like week after week after week And I keep making the objectives smaller and smaller smaller. It's like Right. What is the reason I always ask five times? Why why why why why the why why you think you didn't complete the assessment? and And sometimes it's just like yeah, I don't know I just have I'm trying to do these other things and I'm trying to become And it's like but then how do you expect to learn Arabic? You know, like You need to focus. I always tell them just focus on Arabic stop doing Five different things. Otherwise your energy is just spread out in five different things and Either you're not gonna you will you will never achieve it or Or you will achieve it in in 20 years when usually it would take you just two years Just pause the rest and focus on right now in Arabic get it Stag it up, you know, lock it down and then go to the go to the next things I mean, this is for me also because This advice is Hamdulillah, you know, I told myself after a couple months I'm cutting off the stuff that I don't want to do is I'm just going to focus on few things and just work Work on those Because because sometimes that you're motivated you end up like oh, I want to do that And then you're like, uh-oh Yeah, this is the problem. This is why You know, a lot of people it just popped up in my mind a lot of a lot of people they say, you know, go into another country whether it's Kuwait with his Egypt with his Yemen, Saudi or whatever they think it will make it will make it easier to They think it will learn Arabic easier because the fact that they are in a in a Muslim country or in an Arab country but the point is that It's not because of that the only thing it becomes easier is because you left everything behind Yes, and you travel to another place just for that particular purpose for the need of becoming uh, you know Fluid in Arabic or whatever, but uh Because it's like it's like you said and and this is something I didn't write down. It's just for my mind as well When you're in an Arab country Like me here in Mauritania, I don't speak Arab I'll just speak Arabic to my students to be honest outside is I'm me. I mean Yeah, it's either I'm me. Yeah, it's either French or it's either You just don't talk to people like that. Like you just everyone is, you know Like to them. Yeah, mine and their business basically. So uh, so yeah, subhanAllah in terms of um Of uh, and this something I wrote down as well, you know, university is giving you different subjects What do you think Is because he was mentioning he's like too much, right? They even like 600 pages. Yeah I'm starting a question. Like I said, I definitely definitely benefited But the question is like, you know, my first semester I remember Olaman Quran was one of my subjects. Okay And somebody who just finished something or something like a lot of it They could just who can pass through the exam looking fast through the bare minimum and then when I took that book I was like Oh my god, do I have to do this myself? No, it's It's a little too much for somebody even if I was full time I just felt like how much the quote by end of the day. How much am I going to read it because I have to revise Because every year you're moving forward at the same time you go out to revise. So How much can I revise like 600 pages? It's not easy It's it's it's so it's crazy because I you know, I just got accepted Just recently was on a podcast and uh And I mentioned that I got accepted in in Kasim University in Saudi And before it was always my you know, my My goal my dream to go to university in in Saudi and get a degree and But then thinking about it when I got once I got accepted. I was super happy But then I was like Do I really want to go man because I have the experience already of being in in al-Azhar I did three years of of faculty and sharia And it is something I was talking about with with a brother who's here as well studying. He's In the desert. I'm in the city. He's studying. Um, as well here he has a degree as well from uh from Ajamiah or Sharia degree from Ajamiah in in Sudan but um But the point I was trying to get to is that The way how me being an entrepreneur in a muslimat symptom I just don't believe in the educational system in general and And one of the main factors is because they focus I'm big on just focusing on one thing if you want to be good at one thing Just focus on one thing and the way how it wasn't in in In Egypt as well in al-Azhar. It was like this. Subhanallah. Like I will find myself like You have I think it was in My had al-bu'ooth. I think it was 18 subjects in between history Math in arabic math in arabic. That was the biggest challenge I ever did Arood arabic Fik shafi fik muqara. It was it was just crazy. Like right now you asked me anything I can't remember because it was It was just too much for you to master one thing is He was just studying for the exam basically. So, uh, So this is why I'm thinking of not going and a lot of people have been asking Also, you mashallah you're going to qasim university and it's not always the best You know the best Option I would say I was talking to this brother. Like I'll tell you I'm the haqq and and we kind of like on the same page in terms of of Of studying mainly elm when it comes to fit and and different uloom You know of of the dean and uh And uh The way I see the way how I vision my future in terms of my you know increasing my knowledge in dean I just want to focus every year on one subject. Like let's say for example this year Just fik You know memorizing metin go over it master it Get it locked Then jump into a little to see it for example And then because otherwise it's just don't you feel like I mean you were saying it But how can you go over 600 pages? Like what do you remember right now from it? What benefit can you give us from it? You know, it's funny. I did a small book, you know, subhanallah the teacher is very simple I remember those a hadith till day Like even though about the other hadith that I took in the jamia I mean, I I remembered it for the exam and after the exam. I'm like, okay That's it subhanallah. It was the same for me I remember I was brothers with with use of price machalame. I bless him. I don't think he's gonna hear this but He was a og brother from from new york and we used to go to the exams together and it's just like It's just like we were like literally like you so, you know, you said if you ready for an exam It's it looks like you can't talk to all the brothers before the exam. Whatever like you ready. He's in your mind But you know, you're not ready and you know, you just study for the exam with you Like and after the exam you know, you know, it's just trying to get just trying He's just sitting down and waiting for the paper to come to like spit what is in your mind because it's short term memory Yeah, it's short term subhanallah like even when I give the exam Honestly, if you truly truly ask me how much have I have I learned? Yes, I've learned there's no doubt But if you tell me in the 600 pages, even if I got, you know, a I'm not happy because truly deep down I know I haven't truly benefited like I could have benefited if I had just taken something really small No, subhanallah. And as well you see in Lazarina in al-Mahad Uh, I mean in Thanawiya, we studied we studied al-Feeb-Numalik But when I say like this year we studied al-Feeb-Numalik, it sounds like MashaAllah you study al-Feeb, right? But it's like it's not like that because they tell you, okay, this is the whole mountain and the Muqarrar is from page random like Whatever 223 to 283 And it's like you can't even say you studied the book because you just study a few abwab from it or a few chapters of it And it's just like I just don't see You see I can't remember who was it. I think it was One of my students. I know it was a sister. I can't remember who was it. She told me I don't want to have Holes in my knowledge And he you know, it's it's stuck to my mind because it's it's true like you don't want to And the way how I define it is like information and knowledge is either you have information like yeah, I know something about I know something about, you know Whatever fiqh issue But it's not like you can sit down and you know, alhamdulillah and al-hamad wanna stay in and you know Read the method from your head and teach it and explain everything And it's just a different and this is why I'm thinking right now I'm not going to university when when talking about this, but uh, but anyways, let's talk about um Let's talk about you know the method because a lot of everything always been Well, he's been actually the the only book that I That I that I studied that I studied in arabic and vocabulary before I got the The tools to actually, you know keep keep searching vocabulary on my own and uh And like I was saying I think it's really special man because everyone I've seen Taking al-arabia bin adik, which is the book that we that we go over in and the and those institutes Everyone I've seen someone take it seriously as you said three months four months Is where you start, you know, salamu alaikum. No, I don't know You know, you are able to To talk like and you see the real the real benefit of it, but when I was in Egypt, for example I used to see Brothers go for like Two years on in americas where they have their own curriculum and whatnot at the end of the year He's like now i'm uh, well jumblah. I think he's in my hallie. I was a robin in my hallie And you ask him what is the mahali? What a good Iran and this mean And they say no, I don't know. It's just, you know, that's the arab. That's naho And he's like, yeah, but okay book, you know Call the taxi for me and tell him where we at and tell him to come because it's nahi you you better you speaking It's about you. You're good at naho. Why can't you you see so I think it's Al arabia ben edek is is really good because of Because it's it's just building your vocabulary. So so explain to us. How do you How did a a class Look like and how did your teacher like break it break it down and what was your goal after and how did it look like After the the lesson is well, what was you doing after the lesson? Uh, so the began so let's say I'll give you a general description of how generally it starts So let's say you you read the lesson. Usually they have a lot of dialogues You read the lesson Then you hear that my teacher would make me write all the file that I took in the lesson So let's say the habit and now he will give me all the tazliq fat They'll see the habit with him to make me write all the tazliq fat And so no and they would be like, okay Give me a sentence because okay, you know this you know this verb. Do you know how to use it? You know, what's the point of you just memorizing? Yeah, he's like and then I know I don't know. I'm not sure if I want to implement this in my teaching He would make me write the entire lesson like two to three times It's I used to find pain But you know, I'm too late improved my writing and those words stuck in my brain because I used to keep writing them And because the goal is what you know, all these verbs great But can you form a sentence of these verbs? And you know, sometimes you understand the meaning But you need to know how it's used in the sentence and Alhamdulillah those things benefited me so much because Words like that are that can be used in so many forms like unless you know how to put it in a sentence This is why I always tell my students the the three things In the beginning of the program I tell them the three things we want to focus on for the next 15 months Is just three simple things forget about grammar forget about anyone else's methodology Just memorize vocabulary Hear it being used So you know how it's being used and use it yourself then And just keep doing this over and over and over and it's it's just exactly as he said like You know, he's like other up. Okay. Not up. It means to beat. Okay. So if I say well, I'll give you like a He's like, what? What I'll beat you an example. What so it's like you need to hear it being used You're in order for you to to know how to put it in context of Handa. So uh, so after the Like, you know, many of my students they have the Because I know everyone, you know learns different I tell them what was my way my way was just I was just treated as if as if it was Quran So as you said we we will go over We would do it exactly as you said Uh, you know, we take the tasrifat we take the We take the tasrifat. We take the the Jumu if he's a Yeah, more present now in now Yeah, and then This is our kitab of tabid. This is what we use I don't know if if you had something that looked like this But uh, oh wait, what is it? So yeah, something like this, right? So we have the mufrad wal jama The mufrad wal jama So this is exactly how I did and then I took all the tasrifat also like no So the afaa and we have them here and basically what I was trying to say is that me how I did it How I will go over is I will literally just memorize it like the way that we have the how You know, you remind me of me You see you see and and and I was going to ask you like how do you do it because some of my students they don't They don't see these, uh, you know working as good Uh for them as it did for me. So how do you do it? I did memorize I memorized it because yes, I because There's no way any learning any new language. You have to memorize the words There is no way out of memorization because now or you got to use it on a day-to-day basis But nobody speaks post high and even in the arab countries. I always tell people If you go I remember I I tried speaking for such an emirati And he was like sure He gave me this ugly look. I was like, oh, I better stop What are you talking about? So he so you have to memorize and I speak to like I'm even here right even though Hamdul I feel like the muslims or the Arabs here in the western countries There are a lot more patient when you speak them in foster But in the arab countries, uh, they're just like what do you want? Yeah, it's like they get rude almost Like it looks sometimes like this why I I'm so not long ago. I posted something on On youtube. It wasn't a video. It was a like a post and I said how How when I was in egypt I didn't benefit from being like I was in before I didn't benefit from being in egypt To you know in egypt in general in my arabic, but because all my arabic was Practiced in the marcas with the students or the colleagues or but outside is I almost messed up my my arabic like to the point right now where I remember I went to saudi and I was talking to I was in mecca around the haram and and I entered a store And and the guy I think it was Kurdish or something he's anta musli I said no, I'm not musli what you say that He said no, I shouldn't Or you know, like I shouldn't these these egyptian, but he messed up my Yeah, your ledger you see but a lot of people they don't Not long ago as well. I posted a video in arabic Uh, I think it was like rate my arabic skill arabic speaking skills or something Someone said uh in the comments Some of what some of the words you said is not from the classical arabics from the Egyptian I mean, I like which I don't I haven't checked it but But it's it probably happened you see it affects you without any doubt even here when I speak to some of the The halal stores here I try to hide any sort of haliji words But it comes out because you even my wife. She's egyptian, right? I can't say a lot of egyptian words, but I'm trying to avoid it But if you hear too much of that, you're going to use it in your vocabulary. Yes, even me when uh, we have students from so for example, sudanis sisters and and It just when I talk to them sometimes it's just natural like I might say ashen or bus Yeah, the bus is very easy thing like and it's like we have both stuff But you tell me not to say this but you say is that oh, yeah, yeah, sorry so it's you know what I was trying to say is that That it's not always I keep firm on this opinion of mine. It's not always the best You're not going to benefit from being in the arab country Like if you want to learn arabic in looking learn arabic anywhere on the same Level than anyone else and subhanda is a brother um His name. I think it's rihane. He emailed me. I met him not long ago. I was storing with uh, Mufti Muhammad Munir in in the uk and I met this brother in In the message. He came to me and started speaking arabic and I was a masha'Allah Ina Ina Daras al arabia. He said uh, I've learned here with uh with a teacher online I said masha'Allah and the words he was using it was like very nice I took his number and I say I wanted to interview him as well uh But you know, I just got busy but insha'Allah soon I would just try and get in touch with him. But but yeah, it's not always the the best the best You know the best option however insha'Allah what I went to because you know, there is always you're gonna You always got to feed the the haters as uh Mufti Muhammad Munir say so I can promise you 20 years in the middle east You go through some rough experiences. Don't get too excited Allah so what I would like to do right now is I would like to you know, Yeah I know I mean Mm-hmm I mean, for example, you want to stand in Salah, so you want to understand what you're saying in Salah. So when you're demotivated in this case, remember, if you go through these hard times, inshallah, you will see the fruits out of it. And I'm glad that you said this in English because I was going to say, this is one of the problems that a lot of my students have in this, why going back to what I said in the introduction, we make sure that we fix this. So one of the things to develop discipline that we do in our program is, we do have something called SBA sheet, which stands for SBA as in see, believe, achieve. So I myself have my one, and my students have one as well, those who take it seriously. And it's basically, I don't want to show it because it's kind of personal, but it kind of looks like this, you see? Or yeah, it kind of looks like this, basically, is your vision, basically, your vision. And can you hear me? I think I lost you. I lost you. Can you hear me? Yeah, you're back? Yeah, I'm back. Yeah. Everyone, I tell them to create your vision. Create your vision, who you want to be, who you was, who you was last year, who you're trying to be this year, and write down your goals and write down your Wikipedia page, like how you would like to be remembered after you pass away or after you die, basically. And you need to look at this every day. So what this does is exactly what you said, like remember who you are, because this happens a lot. You just forget, sometimes it's so much of a routine that you forget why you learn in Arabic because it just gets tiring. But when you look at your purpose, okay, this is what I always wanted. Okay, let's go. Boom. It becomes your tasks towards achieving this goal becomes way easier. Yeah. I mean, even till today, for me to go through my university, even though I think I'm not sure if I want to, after my graduation, I was thinking about telling myself I might go to Egypt or some other place. This is study with the sheikh. But even now I tell myself, listen, I started this program to teach myself, even though I didn't maybe get everything out of it. I still want to get whatever I can, like if I have to pick up even the bits and pieces, whatever I could and hold tight to it, I'm going to do it. Yeah. So yeah, it is important. It is important, man, because discipline, like I always say, you cannot rely on motivation, man. Motivation comes, goes just like Iman goes up, goes down. If you rely on motivation, you're just going to stop basically. So yeah, inshallah, what would you, what would you recommend a last, you know, a few words to anyone that was to learn to learn Arabic? I mean, it is exactly the same thing I asked you in Arabic, but, you know, last few things that you would tell someone that want to learn to learn Arabic? Don't look at it as a short-term girl, because a lot of people who want, who want to learn Arabic, they think it's a two-month look at it as a long-term goal and set goals for yourself. Like, let's say for you to just, like I said, even simple books like Arabic, you benefit so much from these. Like all you have to be is be patient, think of it like as if you're going to a university, you know, you know, it could take you four or five years to graduate. If you have that mindset and just be patient, you know, in the Allah, may Allah be with you. Just be patient with, so be patient with your instructor because sometimes, you know, like the teacher, the student also is like, why am I taking so long and listen, you got to be patient. My teacher, Hamdullah, and I'm Allah reward him, he's very, very patient because, you know, learning all and has a lot of difficulties also, like your connection, you know, in Egypt, it was power and all those difficulties. So Hamdullah, so be patient, it's not going to be an easy ride and you have to put in your time. Like there's no, because there are a few geniuses who've done it in maybe three months, four months, but the general rule is you got to, it's a time, you got to put in your hours and just like going to the gym, you don't become muscular in a day, you got to give in the time. Definitely. Same thing, just put in the time and inshallah, you'll see fruits, you will see it in your Salah. Inshallah, definitely. Okay, inshallah, brother, actually, it was a pleasure having you and I enjoyed interviewing you. So to hear to all the viewers and watchers, if that's even a word, you can say watchers in English, right? Viewers is what they usually use. No, viewers, so guys, see you guys in the next episode. Wassalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.