 Hello out there in television land here. We are again live from channel 17 The June edition of stumped the jumps and boy have we got a panel today Al Look who we have with us. They're not going to be able to stump us. No, sir Hey, we've got Leo Collins here. We've got Ray Lange. We've got Bob Laverie. We've got nobody else you and me We don't even count. We know nothing. All right, but we have decided to Focus in on the south end of Burlington folks picture this on the West Lake Champlain on the east Willard Street Okay, on the north we'll use Main Street. I guess and we'll use The edge of town south being off of Shelburne Road. That's the area of town We're concentrating on today folks the first 17 minutes after this segment will be the tape part that we did yesterday And after that you'll join us live with your questions and our attempts at answers We've got swell surprises if you stump us and we'll try to stump you so we also beg you please call up tomorrow and Leave your name and mailing address for us to put you on channel 17's list We need your support or they've threatened or promised to take us off the air So we need your help and we'll be back right after the tape segment Did anybody get those directions he was given? Hey, welcome to the June edition of stump the chumps and I'm joined here with our co-hosts this month's on my immediate left Ray Lange and on ha it's on my immediate right. I'm getting confused already with the program It's just barely begun Leo Collins on my immediate left and to his left. We're joined by the inimicable Bob Lavery Bob, I'm gonna ask you to give our viewers a chance to answer the first question and Our film the maker here has just panned an area of the city, which I must admit I have never been to so that's the initial question out there Where are we and what was this formerly? What was it called? Anybody know anything give us a call the program Meanwhile Bob you have the first shot at a question. Well, let me see I think I'd like to ask if anybody can call in and tell us where in the south end the trolley car tracks Ended on Shelvin Road. All right. Now Leo your turn I'd like to find out to from someone When this quarry was started. Ah, that's a good question a historical question Finally Ray, you've got one. Where was Pete's ice cream located in the south end? All right, there's three opening questions plus the major question. Where are we and we are going to move at this time To another section of the old south end There's obviously a shortcut to somewhere because three fellas are trying to make it on time for their baseball practice Now I've you know, they're avoiding Shelvin Road traffic. I'll tell you that all right camera man now is Filming now near the corner of Flynn Avenue and Shelburne Road We're actually at the nearing the southern part of the south end Now there's a lot of history here folks. We want you to call in with questions for us Try to stump us. I don't think you can but try We're near here the corner where Little Caesars is now And uh, Leo you have a story going back to the 30s Ah shoot Pulling on his court. Uh, no, no in this game and he's warned me before my fault Leo we're uh standing on a territory here that has a lot of fond memories for you personally Going back to the 30s. What did this used to be? Well at one back in the 30s and early 40s. This used to be uh, uh What we called a circus lot and they used to have carnivals here circuses and back then They had a movie star ken Maynard. He was my idol back at that time and I did see him here at the circus and uh they uh We used to play baseball here when the circuses weren't here. This was our baseball field Now they also had some uh challenge match here involving the boxing event. What happened on that one? Well, uh We had a a famous fire chief That was uh Involved or he was going to uh Fight this guy back then they used to have these uh Boxing matches and if you could go three rounds With a boxer that they put up there. They would pay you by 25 dollars or 50 dollars and this uh Well, he wasn't fire chief then but uh, he was a fireman And uh, he said that he would take the guy on Winner take all and the guy says we can't do that So he pulled the tent down a whole tent the whole tent Anybody know his name call us up. Maybe you have some memories and I want to have uh Uh ray come in here with a question concerning the spot right next door here currently little Caesars Ray, what do you want to ask about this place? My question is What businesses were located here back in the 30s and 40s? All right And bob if we look directly across the road uh home now to uh stock brokerage firm But uh not Long ago it was another site and you've got a question about that Well, I'd like to know if anybody can tell us what that In that location what the building was also There was one person of notoriety that was born there and uh it would be Something that most people should know but I wonder if they can tell us right and perhaps the nickname of that place That was called by some people in the community You know jovially speaking We're looking at the uh now the panda inn That wasn't always that so we can ask a question about that ray we can ask What was there and who was the original owner of that franchise right it was we can think of two of them We'll give you a hint because we want to know if you can name 28 of the specific items in that place We'll give you a swell surprise And if we continue to look over here on the east side of shelburn road out You can go over and look where now the shurwin liam's thing is here We can't think of anything that was in there other than the amp that was there Uh before that I think it was open liam Okay Hi ray we're now looking here, uh Corner proctor avenue. There are a number of businesses in there, right there. There it was I'd like to know which businesses were and where it says wk dr Uh-huh. There's another business in there So get on your thinking cats folks and give us a ring here at the stump the chumps program and give us your knowledge Of the south end of burlington Cameraman al says we must continue the conversation the name came up at the paragon hotel down the road Technically in south burlington, but it brought back memories for you fellas. You got any stories you can share with us I'll start with you Well, let's see. Uh, who was one of the uh chief dancers they used to Dance all the time every night down at the paragon practically every night It doesn't always have to be in the form of a question. Now if you've got any specific story You can remember about the days of dancing Oh they used to play all Most of it was canned music Well, there were big bands in the area, but they were uh, mostly out at bayside charlie speevac vondman roll harry james gene krupa and Even glenn miller who died in world war two. He used to play there good dancers in the area. I mentioned one you Remember the best best girl dancer in burlington by far was vicki vicki olio Any others do you remember fellas? john eppstein He was yeah, he was an excellent dancer wireless I'm too young for the paragon I know there was a lot of rum running back then No, that's another one of my questions here the south then who were the guys that were making the illegal hooch. Where was it being done? Oh, boy. Oh, I wouldn't know that. Well days of prohibition are over so we can talk about it now Oh boy, who was making the illegal stuff and running it around? I don't know had the biggest bathtub then Yeah, I didn't know who it was but a good friend of mine was getting paid for years. I think no names but uh One initial would be c Another initial would be e You don't want to divulge any names, but c e comes to mind. All right. All right Any of you listeners and viewers have any thoughts concerning those that were making that illegal hooch? Maybe they can call it the cameraman, right? I also want to ask you lio Your days as a police officer any notables from the south then come to mind as being the real troublemakers for you um Not really. I don't know any specific instance when you were called to come down here to a uh a scene here in the south Anything come to mind? any big Uh murder anything any big screw? Oh, yeah. Well, uh, there was a murder This isn't too pleasant. Do you want you want this on tea? Well, this isn't a very pleasant show sometime Okay, uh, I can remember when I was a kid. I was about nine years old and I lived on richardson street, which is just down here and and uh There was a quite a lot of activity going on in this building On the court, I guess I can't say where it was but It was in here in the south end There was a young girl that had just gotten married at a catholic church And the reception was held on the third floor of this building and uh She had a jilted lover or jealous lover that came up came up to the door And somebody came to the door and he wanted to see her. She was still in her wedding gown She came to the door and he shot her and killed her right there and uh I was about nine years old and I I remember because I I heard the sirens the police sirens and I was in the area So that happened long before I went on the police force Well, maybe this will bring the mind some other crimes some other incidents that people have to remember about the south end Maybe some people can remember you leo patrolling the beat somewhere here in town and can come up with some stories for us And maybe remember the fliers stories from mr. Lavery And maybe some remember a lot of stories about mr. Lange. I'm sure of that So give us a ring and play stump the chumps with us. Love to have you aboard Bob I yep, but it works bob. Believe me. It works. I asked our camera man now to stop over here Uh on st. Paul street Near the rotary will give our viewers that much of a clue, but this is a fascinating house How would you describe this, uh, bob? Oh, I would say this is one of the older older buildings in burlington. I'm not sure Uh of the construction But the outer construction I believe came from stone that was quarried right in the neighborhood here That's correct of my uh reading of history is that's absolutely right How about this, uh Archway here it looks like, uh The uh old horse and carriage days where they repaired their carriages and did work and groomed their animals It's a huge huge building now turned into apartments Uh prior to that it had been used just as a summer house by People and before that it was owned by a wealthy doctor from new york city back in the early 1800s And he had a fascination Uh for collecting seashells and upon his death they were donated to the university of vermont And he was also an amateur astrologer And we're going to take a shot a little later on you'll see this building from a different view Because at one time this building contained the largest telescope in the state of vermont Uh, you know, we walked by or drove by this place a million times. We never knew the history connected with it So maybe somebody has some stories that they could tell us about this old house Located at the southern part of st. Paul street What's this over here bob seems to be a Imprint here on one of the stone here right at the base of the steps Is that an what is it? H must stand perhaps for the one of the oldest or the old owner the hiccocks You got it. And he also gave away some of the questions right here the original owner of this house You just said his name bob. That's all right Right there embedded in the stone It could be a relation And uh, there it is imprinted right on that stone that used to be what the wealthy always could do You know, we didn't have enough money to buy a fireplace These guys can put on the outside of a stone on the outside of their house Yeah But this was professionally done and planned for Yeah, it was a step at one time. Yes, sir. This is uh, when you get off your carriage, you see It made it a convenient stepping spot from the carriage With your initial on it, I might add bob you are mentioning uh that you remember a A story about coming by here and a lady that was living here at one time, right? Well, and uh, I don't think she lived here one of her friends lived here I believe as a story went as I remember reading about it. They lived up on Prospect street somewhere this lady did and This would have been back in the 1880s I think and they used to come down here in a carriage and she'd pick up her girlfriend who lived here at the time and they would uh Take one of the steamboats and go to platzberg to shop At that one those days all the steamboats were the big travel items and they uh These were some of the people that would be on the steamboats Back and forth used to ply the lake at all all uh Most of the travel when they went especially to new york state and one of these families Who lived here? Would be a great friend of this other and I can't think of their name right now Uh They had parties and uh, they had Great celebrations in the old days of of burlington and this was a lap of luxury this place was uh, you know a just a living example of the nice life back in the 1800s Very beautiful building and a lot of nice people lived here Bob, I'm I'm very thankful that you didn't go off and running when you heard that fire engine in the background I thought we're going to report for uh For a limer there for a minute. Oh, I'd rather watch these days and my cameraman also relaxed. Thank goodness another old firehorse. Yeah Bob you're just walking down the path From the road that would lead right down to the house And also here's an old tree man. This goes way back doesn't it? Oh that tree must be I've got to say at least 200 years old. It was cut down about uh, I guess five years ago Cut down what was still live or is it rotted right out? Now originally dr. hickok Had the largest Telescope it was six and a half inches in diameter It had six eyepieces that magnified from 40 to 400 times So he used his amateur astrological skills Right from that observatory up there That's right they had In those days they had very little astronomy around here He was only the early astronomers around here that uh, and I probably said astrology instead of astronomy if I hope I Can't backtrack now, but I meant astronomy And he was acclaimed as one of the early people that had written some of his work and uh He was acclaimed and now we're going back to the studio where you Will be asked to join us and phone in your questions and answers for our stump the chump panel There here we are again live In the june edition of stump the chumps concentrating on the old south end of burlington And al you have requested the mic. I have yapped long enough So you jump right in and did you guys notice how we merely mount me between breaks here? I haven't discussed this with herb yet, but since we started this show, which is our this is our one-year anniversary We didn't get a cake by the way uh I've been trying to think of a of a story that Typified what the old north end was in the in the 40s and 50s and 60s and some Um because there's so much turbulence Around now and that has no bearing on this story. I went to a very good friend of mine's mother's funeral They were a large family in the north end And a sister told me a story that I think typifies it and I think I'll share it and I'm going to do it hurt because you gave me the mic It seems that this girl was uh double bubble bubble gum had come out Brand new cost of penny for a thing of bubble gum and they had a contest at one of the local parks And she asked her mother For a penny to join the contest and her mother's told her that she couldn't Let her have a penny. She didn't have a penny to give her He said ma it's only a penny What could be so important that you can't give me a penny? She said never mind. You're not getting it. Well, when her mother went into the next room She stuck into her pocketbook and she stole the penny She ran over to the store bought her bubble gum Join the contest and right in the middle of one of the contest She heard her mother yelling at her and her mother had her by her pigtails. She had long pigtails And she said you stole a penny from my pocketbook And the girl said yes What's the big deal? She said where did you buy this bubble gum and she pointed to which turned out to be uh, Rules market, but it was before rules market Mother took her over there by the ponytails and said to her said to the owner of the store said This girl stole the penny from me and I want you do you have any work for her to do to work off that penny? And the man Was flabbergasted but nonetheless this girl worked Sweeping sidewalks in front of that store and cutting cardboard for over a week Because she stole the penny and she said I never asked my mother this is a woman that just passed away She said I never asked my mother why this penny was so important until about five years later And when she asked her She said ma What in the world was so important about that penny and she said When bread's 19 cents and you've only got 18 cents That penny means all the difference in the world And I thought about that and I thought about Friday bread dough downstairs in this very building was the big meal of the week and a lot of families in the north And I thought that typified what this shows about and the people I call it And I'm all done. Well, no, no, it's uh, it's very apropos It brought to mind a story to me I remember and you fellas Mr. Lange will know And the old days used to come around with the posters for the movies theaters And they changed the movies here three times a week remember those days And they used to give passes out to the store owner for putting in the poster in the window So I grabbed one of those coupons that I had raced to the theater Put down my 10 cents figured I go in I mean, excuse me Didn't have a nickel with me didn't have a penny with me gave him the pass And remember what a mission was for a kid when under 12 back there our viewers will remember 12 cents admission for under 12. I had my coupon It said good for one admission with two cents tax I had an area penny a guy in back of me gave him two cents. I was so happy I mean two cents made a heck of a lot of difference back then So your story is well well told out Listen, we invite your phone calls folks to answer any of those questions that we're throwing out to you on our tape segment or if not a our panel has got some questions You want to start Leo with a question for our audience? Sure, uh, this refers to the south end I can't tell what year it was but Someone out there would know about it. Uh, there was a young man from lakeside That saved five people from drowning Now he was awarded a Carnegie medal And it was awarded to him in the majestic theater By a certain movie star. Can anyone name that movie star? We discussed this yesterday. I had the write-up on it from the free press Yeah, there was a clipping it said this young man saved the lives of his young companions who crashed through thin ice on Lake Champlain He was given a congressional medal and 500 and cardigan really all right my mistake A 554 dollar was deposited in a trust fund for this lakeside boy. Who was that? All right Ray, you've got a couple questions you could throw out there. I'm sure I have at least one. Oh, I know that I what I believe is the first humane society In burlington was on this particular street I'd like to know who ran it back in the 30s Actually, what his name was what street was it on? And what number Of that street was it on? Hmm Bob, I'm sure you've got a few questions you can throw out Well, I'd like to know if anybody can tell us much about the fire that took place in front of the hotel vermont And it was a trolley car that burned When was that? Wow, you're looking for the year when the trolley car burned. Yes. Okay. That was a ceremonial event, wasn't it? I think so. Yeah, okay Yeah, I'll give you you got a you got a couple questions, don't you? Okay, I like the Ken Maynard thing that he was talking about that fairground thing fascinates me Uh, you said you had another couple stories you wanted to throw in leo about the fairgrounds and circus Um Those that watch in the show I mentioned Ken Maynard when I was a kid There also was another Movie star who performed there And could anyone name him? also this other western movie star bought a white dog Can you tell me what type of a dog it was and who did they buy it from? Wow Now we're getting to the nitty gritty leo. That's what it's all about. You got one there out We got a live one I can't make a mistake here, but you've been off this thing for four months and I rub it in rub it in Yeah, your first shot. You blew it. You're on the air. Hi I think I have the answer for the um panda house question the who question the panda in question The panda in question. Yeah, um, those are heller johnson. Absolutely, right? You're totally correct And I think it was owned by ed smith Gentlemen, well, I'm we'll we'll check with the with the panel here I don't believe so. No, it was uh Hold on any other name you want to throw up for that one? Who? Grimes? Grimes. No, but you're getting close. You got the first two letters, right? All right The one we all agreed on was graves But I think you mentioned a name somebody did of a prior owner to prior owner. I believe was a mr. Jarvis Now we would like to ask you to give us the 28 flavors of ice cream served there. That's cool. And we've got a well surprise for you Oh, that's cool. You got something there. No, I'm just verifying here. This is a top flight show here You've got all of them. You're going to check them. Go ahead, man. You want a shot at this chocolate and vanilla? We'll give you two of them. Huh all 28. Okay. Um Let's see, but I want strawberry chocolate. Oh, oh, oh, oh Oh, you obviously know a lot. Um, how about alphabetical order? No, no, no. You got it in there, Bob. Yeah What was your favorite flavor, man? Wait a minute here her alphabetical order. She won't be able to do them I used to work there. Yeah, I can. Oh She knows. Okay. Go ahead. Um banana Black cherry black raspberry butter crunch butter pecan cinnamon apple coconut chocolate chocolate chip coffee coffee brandy fudge ripple french vanilla arm sherbet lemon sherbet paper walnut mint chip mint chocolate chip mocha chip orange pineapple orange sherbet peach peppermint stick pistachio trailing pecan crunch Swiss chocolate almond stick Is that it? Oh, and the ever in this Hawaiian section Um You can go to our party. You know, I hate to say this boys. You only got 27 Say come back. Get those heads back up here. Oh a very nice try, man Very nice try indeed and she missed a flavor of the month too Didn't include that one for the 29th. It was a nice try. Herb will be picking up all that the banel. Oh, no Ma'am, you got a hat of your choice. We may have 28 different combinations of colors and shapes I think her and I autographed this one. Yeah, won't you Herb? Yeah, Herb? Oh, I'm sure we'll find one ma'am. How about a question to stump our panel? I remember that takes five years to fix a faucet. Wow. I know that one. You do? Yeah, the guy with the flex in his eye right now You're you're the one fixing your three inch bite. Yeah, okay I guess she wins And we're no say we want to go on we want to get more participation. Did this happen to be drenda? Are you down at the the watering hole? Not yet Okay, when you see because there's another infamous question of where jota mazio and mariland munroe Yeah, I know where these women that hang out at this certain watering hole Were some of our viewers and said that they spent their time at Cliffside the cliffside resort so that nobody could That was a rumor six months in japan and she said well, I just thought it Yeah, that's how rumors start and you know the flames go very very high very fast Folks, thank you very much. You did it. You did it. You did us in good. I'll tell you that Okay, thanks for calling. Thank you. I have a couple questions More directly related to the south end What's the date on the big smokestack on the lane press building? Okay, and I'd like to know the prior uses of the building which is now incubator Businesses and offices brilington public works buildings in there Uh, so what were the prior uses of the lane press building? Uh Who was grace good. You you historians out there grace good. You who was she? I'll tell you she was related to a very very important person in the united states Mr. Good. You. Yeah. Oh, no. Nice try. You're on the air. Hi. I have an answer to a question Where do the trolley tracks and What's your jury bob? Well, bob bob's looking at me cross-eyed here Queen city park That wasn't the shelburn road run Queen's getting technical now. Come on, bob No, it's joy. Hi Joyce bob. Give her your answer Well now that tell me now if you think that you know this, okay The south end run was shelburn road. It stopped at Potashbrook or now it's swiss street. That was the end of the line Shelburn road. There was a pine street run that went to queen city park Oh, okay. Okay. Should we give her a hat though? A hat anyway. There you go. Okay. Wait. I got the next question though All right. You get the head back here all right grace Good view good. You good. You. Yeah. Who was she? Calvin Coolidge's wife Hey, I don't believe it. You have just won yourself an understanding urinary incontinence tape there And now if she deserves it, I want to know where grace good. Hugh was born And where she was married There now those are two south end related questions just barely and repeat the 28 flavors at our johnson But no, you got the most important part. She was the bride of calvin coolidge. Okay And she was born on st paul street. Yeah, and she was married on maple street See History lessons we give our viewers Very good. Wasn't she divorced from one of the lounges down? All right, uh Thanks very much for calling me. Okay. Thank you. Ray. How about a question or two out there for our viewers? We got another one. Oh, all right That's why you're not on these controls here. I'm right out of here Yeah, callback. Okay. All right. How about a couple questions? How about one start with all right one back in the 30s and 40s in the south then there was a texaco station Uh near the rotary And it was run by a couple I'd like to know their names and also This was the most beautiful service station probably in the state because of the flowers of this wife Get there and how she kept the station So just tell me who ran it Let me let me add to that question ray. Why don't you folks call us in with the names of the three or four? Stations right around the rotary back into the 40s You know start naming those service stations And then I'd like to get into the old howard street area The grocery stores. I want to hear about the grocery stores and the barber shops I bet you Our panel can name them all and have some stories related to each and every one of them This is these were the congregating places weren't they in the old south end barber shops mostly I think And now Yeah, hey ray, he still hangs out at the He can't get out of there which reminds me I think this warrants repeating ray You indicated to us yesterday that bob used to always attempt to come to launch his market And you insisted that the clerks and everybody else get him out of there He was a wise guy and always trying to horse around what kind of specific things was he doing to start up trouble in the market He stole us blind He couldn't trust the man. What did he used to ask for for items in there? sliced hearts of strawberries hamburger that was on special for 10 pounds for a dollar Powdered beer Nice guy bob. I'm sorry. I don't think you really are No, I'm not you were an instigator. Then you still are that's what my sources. Tell me chocolate covered onions also Yeah, so he was a troublemaker. Yeah, it all comes out. He let me go. He didn't earn me any Uh, I want to hear about the call here. Oh, I'll go ahead. So, pardon me Hello, you're on the air. Uh, yes, can anyone on the panel tell me who the former owner of the deja vu cafe on pearl street Was in the 40s and 50s in the name of the uh restaurant Yeah, I I can do that. It's not technically to south end, but I told our panel. They'd be calls on that I know the answer fellas. You want to try the place where the deja vu is remember? What was it back in the 40s? That was your beat leo. Come on leo. That was my beat. That's right. Who owned it back then Jim Gillespie. What was it called? This is before I remember it. I remember it with a banana hanging down there And all the sunday papers out there on the sunday morning Palins it was called palins really Sir, how's that for an answer? That's right After does anybody know who came after that? Yeah, uh, clem labelle. Yes. No conrad conrad. Conrad labelle. Is he still living? That I don't know. Yes All right, Florida is 80 something son of a gun Clem labelle went on into the tv business and what was it called after conrads? I don't know Man, it was called. It was an italian spaghetti place for a little while Pardon shade du fait before shade du fait it was They did some italian speed remember italian spaghetti in a bucket for about two bucks or something And you went in the back and you could play shuffleboard and they had the shade du fait The was I've been thrown out of there. Okay, I'll take your word for it. Well shade du fait Thank you very much. You got yourself a hat my friend. Okay. Thanks. How do I get it? Just come up to the studio. Stand on the hallway. I'm the parking lot and herbal throwing out to you My fried bread dough downstairs, right? Yeah, thanks Get the other one. Thanks for calling. Thank you Hello, you're on the air. Hello Ray Lodge there No, he went home. Went home. Oh, oh, it's for you Ray Yeah We're gonna go back to the rest today from your grocery your farmer grocery store. That's your answer What's the question was right across the street from your store in a corner st. Paul and uh Howard no no it wasn't Controversy, oh, but your clothes and clothes. Yeah Wait a minute Where was it tell me it was located actually where Lodge brother store is it was a part of that Lodge brother store at that time Okay, now about four service stations There we go, right we're going to look right here. This guy is calling us right from this view thing here, right? Yeah, we always look at here Uh the tidal station and there was a somato station Shell station panel along with the flowers as a you're on a Frenchman That doesn't narrow the field down much not in that negative neighborhood. I'll tell you that He's got a lot of fingers here. He's got one station, right? Yeah, you're missing a station, I think Yeah, but name them off again, please Okay, let's start with uh Whether the real estate places today burns real estate. Yeah And then uh across the road was what about uh Now what around the shell station Then it was Crosby's and then Parker had the snooker station across the street Hey, but what was the name of the one with the flowers? You would say that to me. Well, of course I think you got to work for a hat on this show. I'll tell you that Over the Elizabeth the uh negative building is That was the Elizabeth london Or affectionately called by the fire department and other people in the city on all over just affectionately called what Al The double L ramps the Lizzie one. Oh, okay And on the other side of the street, uh right on the corner over the uh There's a there was a grocery store at thomas's market was there. Remember you go up by Dr. Abner There anybody Yeah, but he did Well, they're gonna right you're gonna hang you for that flowered gas station, you know Oh, that's right on the double L ranch Who was the who was the main of no person of notoriety? That's right. We've got to know, sir A famous infamous person that was born at the Elizabeth london Oh my god. Yeah, it was in the news just about uh, two years ago years ago Okay, a little or i'm i'm gonna i don't know who that is but for real The young guy that was saved the five children out in Israel and bushy butch bushy Absolutely right. I got 1942 41 I think it was but Oh February and a month of February during uh Was around Washington's birthday That's when it happened. You're right. You know who the um, the movie star was that presented him with a cardigan medal Oh, was there were writers? No You know, I We were both in the same class together, but generally why'd you give him that answer? The guy's name the movie star's name was guy kibby and it was at the majestic theater Yeah, no, okay Yeah Okay, thank you very much. You want to give him out something there? Well, you only you only answered 62 questions right stiff Well, give me give him some banal for One flavor at Howard john's lane press building What the lane the old lane press building? Yeah, what was there? That was edlin's cantilever. Remember they made cantilevers. Oh, yes, they did don't shake your head mr. Roman tall. I I don't believe so All right, wait a minute, I'll settle for that but it was some other uses also, you know what else it was uh in that building Because my brother worked there. That's what I know. Let's go before I believe that it was a furniture making company They made cottage furniture. Oh, that was a chase right where the vacant lot is across the street Okay, you're right in line building. All right, what there's nothing there right now, but a parking lot Have you noticed herbs got the last three questions wrong? And then it also become Didn't it become a cotton cotton producing company also no the cotton mill was uh rubber g is no, I know that But this was also now for the trolley car How far did it go in and did it go? Bob's you know did it go There you go now you're supposed to answer that one. Oh, you're gonna answer that one. Is he gonna call in the answer? No, he wants you to answer for him. I guess. Yep Give me the answer guy. Okay swiss street At the west side of shelvin road opposite swiss street Well towards lakeside now I asked you right at the irish brothers garage No, it went right down the front of ge there was a waiting spot At this far as it went it did not go underneath the underpass which the underpass wasn't there at the time What was the underpass put in? Uh 19 oh Wait a minute. That was 19 or two. That's right. Now. There's a story a legend regarding that underpass Oh, let her what you're getting into our lakeside show. Yeah, that's sort of but our first question of all the lakeside Okay, we won't go on to that but save it for next time. We do the lakeside show Okay, herb's gonna give you something here I got an advisor Because I embarrassed poor jimmy detilio last month if you watch last month's show The girl was supposed to ask who the largest Fishing tackle salesman in south brilington was and she said the fattest so So I went down to saw this large fishing tackle salesman and he gave me some of his wares here, which Is part of our new package deal where this happens to be a clown neck Auger tail rubber worm wonderful Available right here in our studios here. Yes, and We have a thing of smelly jelly But we only have one so you'll have to dip your own worms one at a time up here at the studio. Okay Okay, here it goes. Thanks for calling sir. Okay Oh, you're on here. Yeah a person born at the lund home and it was Ted Bundy. Absolutely, right What would you like to select from our fine array of gifts here? There you go the old Bundy special on its way All right, hello there now Well, and I mentioned the uh rapala frog legs thing and the smelly jelly and the Big z from the tilio's guns and tackle that's also good for this weekend because the uh And this is that's right. That's right big, but you can only use it at the brilington reservoir This is a union. This is a union lure this particular one here. Oh, I see. Yeah fellas some more questions, uh I got one here just a grocery store. There are tons of grocery stores all over the city There was one run by and it was known as eppstein's market right at the beginning of shelbin road I think it was What was the official name of eppstein's market somebody can remember that the beginning of shelbin road? Well, I think or the end of uh, st paul street. Was it really bob, uh ray Yes, and it became what what did that store become after that and it's changed a couple of purposes John eppstein's brother, right? What's his name? That was eppstein Louie eppstein louie But what was the real name of it? I mean the official name of it That's what I'll maybe somebody there else. We'll see the color in line one will know. Okay. Is that where I'm at? Yes Hello, you're on the air. Yeah, um, I got a question for you. Mm-hmm. I got a question for you. Yep Oh, we know that but go ahead. What was the name of it out? Skinny's skinny's that's going way back Market Well, you got it. It was a market for skinnies. Yeah, you got a bucket of beer is what you get from skinnies He asked what was there before the chicken bone license skinnies and am I right or am I right? You're right. You're right But he's also right. He's also right to stand up before that building. It was any other questions call it That's terrific. We appreciate it I want to know what was Flynn Avenue officially called before it was Flynn Avenue All right, and it was a it was a reason for its change From that name to become Flynn Avenue Get that phone out. I'll get it This is the secretary's All right, thank you. Thank you. Hello. You're on the air. Yeah, I was wondering if you could tell me what Was in the old Vice you know across the street from the sale where she any on the shore Yeah, this sounds like that's what I thought first. That's it. Yeah Good job. Thank you for calling. Yeah, no problem Yeah What was also proctor avenues name that's technically in south brilington or one half of it is but what was the name of that Official name of proctor avenue question. No Hello, you're on the air No, you're not either Yes, you are too. Hello. Hello. Yes What uh, what was lineman avenue named for ice cream sherbert wrong You really know yes, I do. Oh, you are a crack caller this evening. I know that lineman avenue was the builder the name of the gentleman that built it It was Elias the lineman. Elias lineman. Yeah, the coal man. That's exactly right. You gotta think Well, do you know sir that there was a hundred acres down in the old south end that became streets down there We're owned by one gentleman. I didn't know that but I know it's the first time you've ever called me, sir I took my polite pills before I came to the studio to notice. I didn't call you sir The only reason I knew that uh, the answer about lineman was because my father's middle name was frances lineman And he told me that uh, there were several people that during that era That named their children after Elias and lineman in that era and most of us people threw his coal at you But this is a tremendous historian. We bow to his expertise The other thing is I want to know if herb is going to be able to plam With that tackle that's on the table right there I couldn't hit a fish in a barrel never mind a lake. I gotta say uh, frances lineman was my class in high school It's that right, bud. How about that? That was my father frances lineman burdo. Yeah, oh lineman burdo You know him too. Oh, he was this back. Did he lie like his son does no lineman burdo did he he ended with lineman? He's about ended. I'll tell you that right now He's as short as his father, but he's Throw me a hat. I gotta go you got it just to get out of here. Don't give him a lure He won't know what to do with it. Thanks for calling Wayne. Don't get any of that smelly jelly on you Hello, you're on the air. Hello Uh park avenue was known as fun avenue. Absolutely right. Why did they change the name? Why did it have it for the john jay from the state? Yeah, but why did they why wasn't park avenue good enough? I don't remember Well, there was a historical reason Simple too because what other street do we have in burlington? We have park street So the mailman said what is going on here? I got an avenue. I got a street. I'm getting confused gone park avenue in flin avenue that ended that And we couldn't go to park and there's another history lesson for you kids And you stay tuned here marcilas parson's eat your heart out We're beating the news Okay, uh, don't let leo answer this and listen to our question What was the ice house in the south end? Oh the ice house and where was leo? Don't you answer no ray the light the ice house barrett's ice house Yeah, no my lights ice house. That was one in the same I know it Hey, why do you think we have him on here? He knows his stuff What do they get testy? Ray was on a right bad Anything else sir. What was that torn down? Oh, when was it torn down? Not too many years ago Okay, leo, who'd give me the answer 70s 70s, no leo. When was it torn down? I I'd have to guess at that one. I I think it was in the early 50s No 1968 I used to live in the 70s and they had eight raccoons in it too hey Sir for that fine question there it goes another hat available here at channel 17 studios. Okay. Thanks for calling right Anything else? Yeah, all right Yeah, I'll get it Hello, you're on the air. Hello. Uh, do I have the correct answer for louis at science market? Wow, what was the new market? Absolutely right my mother has called in with a correct answer. She hits once a month Yeah, and and also after Uh, they got finished with the market Uh, new york dry cleaner Yeah, but there was another business also that I was I think you're right Uh, after mary carter fates was in there after wasn't there a scale company in there controversy I think uh, Toledo scale. Yeah, the scale company was in there and then it became a beauty pilot Yeah, but you're right. You've got us again. Okay, you'll bring home. You want the banalic? No, I want something that has to do with fishing. Okay. I'll get you here. This this is another auger tailor. No, we're out of clown necks Okay, thank you. Thanks All right Hello, you're on the air. Yes. Could you tell me what street the alamo bar used to be located out in brolington? Now we're getting to the questions that are closer to our hearts here God's work the alamo bar the alamo bar mean the alamo restaurant north avenue, correct God's court, right? Yeah, just past the hudderberg club And who owned it? Who owned it? Red goss. Don lunge. Walt goss. Walter goss. Walter goss owned the building, I believe. But Don lunge ran it around the restaurant. That's right And what year did it burn down? Okay, good one. When did Don leave? That's your that's your new apartment. Come on. You have to feel your fire questions, you know I know I don't got to be 48 No, after that long after that never mind. Don't ask him Yeah, I'd say uh 59 67 I'm not sure. I was at my uncle's bar. Actually my grandfather's brother's bar We're out of state down. So I figured one of you gentlemen might Well, I went there in the 60s. Okay, my first bowling tournament. I was 11. I'll see you Never mind when I was mid 60s. We'll say but we don't know 5566 I didn't think it was that late. That was I think it was. Yeah Who knows somebody will know somebody will call I'm still looking for the uh name of proctor avenue before it was proctor avenue. Any idea on that one? No, I don't have a good day Thanks Where that waterbed store is with wkdr studios upstairs here on corner proctor avenue now that used to also be a Store didn't market. What was the name of that market? Tons of stores and barbershops Ask us some questions or answer some folks. Give us a ring Hello, you're on the air Hello, hello, hello, who do I speak to it? Well, who do you want to speak to? Well, I'll answer one of your questions Okay, right. That's correct east woods road All right, herb. I give a question for Leo there. Good. What was handy sludge before it was called handy sludge? I That's that's further north than that where I grew up. Can I tell them bob or you want me? It was a sign peter's delight. I'll tell you that because it was called McGillicuddy's Right on What do I get for that any any special you get the same thing I just got for calling eastwards buckus. You got nothing I don't Come on bobby free soup I got nothing I gave a good answer didn't I Hey, I got one here for you. I was helping out Harry Adams one day And he wanted to know what that diner was that was bill's diner. It was bill's diner bill Mr. Robinson, it was two Two brothers had the diner the lines bill. No, not the lines. No Just like I'll leave you fellas who laugh. I think you got them too bob. I think you're smirking You got them. I'll leave you with it. Tell them bob that time you threw the ball in the gutter when joe joseph was bowling Bob thanks for calling we appreciate it. Okay then have a good night Fellas, do you remember two businesses that were located on lineman avenue? And I'm going back into the 40s now They were two businesses you would think of that as purely a residential street But I looked up and found that there were two business establishments on lineman avenue lineman avenue You're right. He's got yule wolves the roofer was there and for a brief time This is too hard really. I guess there was a colman's cabinet shop. Oh, yes, mr. Coleman. I knew him well See colman's cabinet shop Yeah, but that's a good question I thought I was a good one. Hey, how about all the extinct businesses located On pine street that are no longer there and the businesses on the beginning of shellburn road What what has it been a turnover? Think of that folks. Give us some give us three or four businesses that are no longer there on pine street All right, you know what I like to hear these the we didn't talk about the baseball players on film Right. Hey, there's an old kid The mud alley midgets we want to hear about We want to hear about them Who played on the mud alley midgets? So we got a starting lineup out there We know that bob played against him. What team was yours? Oh, we had the northern lights Yeah, you got your lights put out. Yeah, you you show it up bob. That's the main thing Never won a game all of us suited up And you took the trolley down to the south I don't know if the mud alley midgets. Yeah, that's what uh, I think that I remember the diamond aces the diamond aces and they were the mud alley sluggers Oh, all right. Maybe that's a team. Who played for them? Ronnie Gilman was the pitcher the army boys Several others. I just I can't think right now. How about one of the cables one of the kagels didn't uh, Didn't uh, the oldest one played Come on folks call up here. Help us out. I don't remember who played for the mud alley team All right, I'll go to the lines here. We're going to the lines Hello, you're on the air Yes, um, I have a stump for you. Yes, and I like to know well What was the only um barbershop that was in lakeside Oh now there's a lakeside question. That's a preview of the things to come. I know that one give it to him leo I'm you and I can't answer that one. No, I guess you can't mr. Mr. C core C cores I knew we had you on here for a purpose leo There you go. I thought we weren't supposed to answer anything about it. I know but she asked us why don't we get it satisfied the collars You know, what can we do anything else, man? No? Well, thank you for calling. Thank you Uh, let's see. I asked the five extinct businesses on pine street. We got somebody out of here. Okay. Go ahead The lines are hot here You're on the air. Hi. Uh, was that c core or c cart? That's right Yes, well, that's a good Um C or c card. Right. I have a question for al. Yes. Okay on pine street where jackson terraces Yeah, what was it before? Yeah, I know that Because that's our seger company. Okay before that That's not alval. Pardon. You're not al That's our seger If you're going to wait for him, we'd be sitting here a long time believe me I got it tonight. Bob was of when and only Baldwin refrigerator company the only one in the world that made uh Uh, ice box refrigerators where they lugged ice in and put it in there for the they're still around today or see See you learn things on this program not much, but you learn some things They had a wheel working for them. I know one of the tall ones Yeah, right. He's four foot seven They didn't go to see cars barbershop either Okay, thank you. Bye. Bye You're on the air. Yes, I have some answers to the question on some businesses that were on pine street. Yes, sir Okay, um, I think one of them was gays express. You're right Uh vermont the vermont gas plant used to be down there, right? And um, I believe The maltex building correct And I think that's about all I know. All right. Well, let me ask you a maltex related question They had another serial that was popular in the late 50s early 60s. What was that serial called? Was it maypole? Right now. Here's a difficult one. Who invented maypole Oh, I can't remember that name. There was a gentleman that was here at the maltex factory He was a general manager. I don't remember that I'm sure somebody will remember his name marquis marquis maypole marquis maypole close Remember marquis the marquis Sir, thank you very much. And uh, that's worthy of a hat right here. You're very welcome. Thanks y'all. Appreciate it. Thank you Bye-bye Hello, you're on the air. All right. Well, yeah This is Ed lounge Oh, here we go. I knew it Go Adam Ed. Go right at him. Come on, Eddie Listen, how about the mario boys down there? They had their own softball team, all brothers How many of them? Seven, I think Wow, the two of them ran the venetian blind company, right? Well, that's the blind man guy's truck That's uh, george and uh, andrew mario. Okay, different different branch. Well, that's from our first show Yeah Come on Ed. How about some real stumper type questions from you? All right, come on. We want you to stump Ray. Who played for pilgrim mercantile back in there? Gee, anybody know? Yeah, I did Say that again, Ed. I'm pilgrim mercantile Pilgrim mercantile. Yeah, I I played played for him Not very well, but I played for him. We were undefeated 21 and old with maxi rabbit. I know you played us every day Yeah, well, no, it was in spite of me for kind of we had some good athletes We have bunny bizarre play played on a team that played large brothers every day. Yeah, that's why there was 21 and old Ed, you're asking all the questions. Uh, answer this one Well, who who was the biggest family in the south end? Good one The biggest family in the south end? The largest number of children in the family You should know that one That's the first answer that I add but it's it turns out incorrect Although the interesting thing about the gay family is that all the kids names begin with a letter j Correct, correct But they tell me on this panel that there's a family that had more than 13 kids There were it's what 23 in the family you're talking about 20 21 and there was one adopted Which breaks the record of our other question of the 21 Well, we have never admitted to all of those before Any idea what family they're talking about Ed? I don't Well, how about another question? I want Ray Stumpth right here and now so give him a zinger, please By asking who is this good looking brother You know, you should have been here on this panel too, Ed, but uh, you somehow weasled out of it I don't know how you did it I was going to be there Hey, Ed, you know, I've asked this question as a family before but now that viewers will know because people outside of just me will be able to say it That the none of the boys on the gay side and the long side admit that when we were youngsters I taught them everything there is to know about bowling. Oh They don't I admit it. You admit it. Yeah, maybe the best memory I had around down to and out of town Are we done with the lies yet or are we going to continue the story there? I don't want to know about that one all right Yeah, I'm involved in violence No, you didn't Yes, you had a panic copy on the floor and you dragged it all the way up the aisle with your feet I turned it in myself Now you want to try to Leo, you've got something that you can try to stump Ed the dean of the south end the trivia kings Yeah, here he is. Here's here's another trivia All right What lady in 1956 Won the Pillsbury Bake Off contest there and she Went to california She won it right here the local contest. Yeah, she won it for the state of vermont and I went out to california Boy could she bake a pie. What was the entry she brought with her? Uh, the entry was uh was a was a cake. It was called a tasty cake. Hmm a coffee cake Yum yum banana frosting And you've got me Listen, I better get out of here. Let somebody ask you that you gotta listen to the answer I'm not gonna get the answer. Let somebody call in there. Do you think somebody will remember? I'm sure somebody will be beautiful Beautiful. Hey Ed. Thanks very much for calling. Yeah. Nice talking to you all Thanks Yeah Okay, I have an answer for the who invented uh maple. Who was that rich shepherds? Oh Not the answer to that my book has but that's a good name to throw out there I uh, uh was led to believe that it was her barenberg who was a general manager of the maltex factory Oh, well, I got a question for you. All right. What was the original name of the elizabeth lund home? original name Home for friendless women. Exactly. There you go. Earned your keep Thank you. Bye. Bye You're on the air. Hi another business on pine street. Yeah, it's no longer there would be huntley's laundry Oh, that's a good one. Was that the vine street? That's not the vapor service is it right next to him. They may have had it at one time But it was a laundry before the papers. Well, ma'am pop up Here's one. I don't know why we forget it's happened fairly recently coca-cola Gone now right next to coca-cola. There was another Business and it had its name right on the side of the building on pine street. What was the name of that business? Right next to coca-cola Remember fellas anybody know Venetian blind company right there Hello, you're on the air side of pine street Uh off the I mean on the south side of king street off of pine street second building Hmm I'm fine. Yeah south pirates. Yeah, I got it king street. I'm south side of king street Off of pine street second building Gentlemen, what about it? What was there? What was there? Yeah, I mean He's a grocery store. No No Okay There used to be there used to be a joesus. No it Was No Outside of king street. Well leo says joseph's store. What's the way photography? No, it's alias. No, it used to be joesus store. No We give up hinders Pardon hineses. No That's it free. We're out. What was it? It's a candy factory You agree gentlemen a candy factory Who owned it vermont confectioner? Oh, I know who owned that who owned it mr. Vitaliano. Yeah, all right Well, it wasn't on pine street. My panel says it was on king street. It was on king street She did say king story. She did say she did that's worth a hat, ma'am easy for you to say Okay, now give the hat to bob. Okay, but also a bottle of an algae stump them Fellas I gotta give this last historical bit down in the area way south in Where the macaulis building is located now? Do you know that that was the first color processing film plant in the united states? There was a gentleman. He was a frenchman who has been acknowledged by the people of france of having created the first Photographic film in the camera process and he made the first color film and there was a building there that it's Burnt down that was dark and no windows in there at all But that was a first color film producing company in the united states right there Here we got less than two minutes. We're gonna take one more call one more call. Okay Hello, you're on the air. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hi. Hi. This is at launch again. Oh Always laundry wasn't on pine street. It was on the corner of college in st. Paul my brother loaned it Okay, thank you All right, the correction has been duly noted. We have one minute Okay, okay. You want to say something before we get out of here? Okay, what do you want to We got about a minute there go ahead. No go ahead ahead. Well, I'm wrapping it up I want to thank our illustrious panel Once again proving that you cannot really stump us when we get the experts from the old south end here Or any other section of town our next show will be viewed on july 8th. That's the second wednesday and next month Are you into our set here? I am into your set to wish you a happy first anniversary You've been doing the show for one year and it's our most popular show on channel 17 and we're just so happy happy birthday Thank you very much Privilege to be part of this particular network and we want to continue on this network But it yeah, we encourage you to please call in and be placed on the mailing list of channel 17 And call up and tell them that you like the show or you hate the show But at least they'll know you're listening and watching if you notify channel 17 So until next month on behalf of our panel members and my good pal Arrivederci and see you next month Adios amigos