 I'm super pumped dude. You know what's on the 30 days of coaching now. What what is it man? Now we've got because okay what we promised everybody when we released this Okay, the 30 days of free coaching with mine pumped that it would be an evolving project for us meaning though it's gonna continue to get better and better and better and better and Most part everybody absolutely fucking loved this and the only thing I ever had people ask us was hey We're did you know where did you guys get all this information and where the studies that talk about this? So now we have the studies linked right there for those of the nerds and the science people that want to dive in Yeah, we want to cross-reference this so you can go into all the studies But the 30 day of coaching is absolutely free the concept behind that was this is how we take somebody through 30 days If you were privately training with one of us three It's a collaboration of all three of us the things that we discussed with our clients the topics we go over and then each day You're gonna get dripped a specific topic So for example day one you get protein on the protein give you some quick bullet points on things that you need to know Underneath that are episodes that link to the exact minute where we go into depth about that conversation So if it's a topic you really want to learn about you can dive through all kinds of content relating to that plus the studies Are on there and an area for you guys to comment on and you know what I want to tell people this If you make it through the 30 days, which is awesome people have been doing this like crazy because again It's compelling information. You make it to the 30 days There's some surprises at the end there. It's really really cool. Oh, and again, it's it's still free And I say still because we're bolstering it and bolstering. I can't imagine. I mean this thing's gonna be so fuck It's awesome now. I can't believe I can't imagine how awesome it's gonna be even a few months or year from now Which by the way once you have access to you always have access to it But I don't know at some point it might not be free, but right now it's still free So all you do is you go to mind pump media calm and just opt in that's all you got to do and you get this information Do it if you want to pump your body and expand your mind There's only one place to go mind Salda Stefano Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews We're here. We are here at boxing burn motherfucker Fucking yeah, oh my god, dude. I'm so excited. So we got the what the fur the part one of a two-part series Interview right first time that we're doing this actually what we're gonna what we're gonna do with our boys is we're going to Split the episode up, but don't get pissed off. It's gonna drop at the exact same time This is the first half and then you're actually gonna go over to the boxing burn podcast to get the second half Yeah, we great time. We had a great time talking to Tony Jeffries and Glenn Holmes both as tough as their names sound Yes, great great time at the pocket. We were actually the ones being interviewed Which doesn't happen too often, but we have a nice. It's nice. Yeah, we like you know ask us questions about ourselves You can they have the boxing life podcast Burnin box and burn Academy. It's Christ. Lord. It's the first time he's done this. I've never read before We have we have the the academy happening at our place at the mind pump media studios, right? They're doing the certification. Yeah, super pump, which is gonna be pretty awesome So you learn how to be able to teach boxing for a workout. It's one of the best certifications I've seen yeah, but let's let's talk about why why I think this is so awesome because and I remember being a trainer This is one of the things right away I was drawn to these boys was it used to drive me fucking crazy. You see the trainer Using the mitts like an asshole. Yes, they know nothing about boxing. I was always as a trainer I was always I wanted to use a mitts, but I was intimidated because I didn't want to be that asshole No teaching boxing when I have no business. I've never been taught box disrespectful So I feel like every trainer that has ever wanted to teach clients that this is a must They're they actually they I believe Tony partnered with an ASM If I'm not mistaken, I think that you do get credit. Yeah, you get some credit So if you're a trainer, you will get some credit with their certification and it's taught the curriculum is written by Boxers like with high-level skills, so it's not bullshit. It's legit. It's really really good How would someone sign up for this? How would someone get and so if you want to sign up to that you go to the boxonburnacademy.com And look on there and yeah, you're right We got see you use in NASA. I'm ace. I s s a e f a a is this Yeah, that one so, yeah Can't read your own fucking board over there Yeah, it's a one-day certification course where we teach you Boxing specific warm-ups Robin hands and the big thing is the is the mitt work where like you said you see so many people I'm gonna clue what they're doing and we really help you with that because boxing is one of the best forms of workouts that you can do It's an incredible work. We actually did a video with you on our on mind pump TV where you were showing Justin You know some some basic techniques and it's quite impressive. Obviously learning from someone who's world-class You can tell the attention to to detail and the way you teach. It's a it's a whole nother level So without any further ado, you're gonna hear box and burn actually interviewing mind pump Again, this is the first part of a two-part series after you're done with this episode Make sure you go to box and burn podcast and listen to the second half So life podcast sorry box and life podcast on the second half is the best so make sure you do That's right. He didn't take the best. He's like, I'll take the second half Well, yes, yes, we're pretty much there. Yes. We're pretty much shit the first first half hour. I Wish I had an English accent. Yes, you know much pussy you get with an English Easy How do you know, huh? How do you know it's easy listen to you No, it's it's it's a well-known fact in here if you have an English accent It's instant. You're instantly sophisticated. Do you know should we talk about this? Yeah? Yeah, it's cool So, yeah, yeah, it's not just women who like it men like it as well Whoa, yeah, yeah, no, no, I mean no, I mean oh, hey men like it with men like you guys like you're all stand up me now You're right. I have this weird It's not you talk so cool I used to be the same when I was back home and I do an American guy talk or I was into that American bands and stuff And see them live and then when they talk, I'd be like, whoa Really Especially we from we don't get many American people there from the north of England. We should go there. You should go there Yeah, well sounds so good. I was like a reason. It's the opposite, right? Huh? It's where we're wherever you're at It's the opposite, right? Yeah, exactly. It's the opposite even like I said We're men and people who come that you are the amaze we accent and I love it and I see where you're from So it's a great especially in this town where networking is massive you meet loads of people because your accent Yeah, well, I've just done a tweet this morning actually because I get asked all the time. Oh, what part of Australia you're from no Oh, what part of Ireland you from? Oh everything. I've never had one person. So you web. Oh, you're from Sunderland not once And the thing we're Americans as well. I know you can you agree like the oil sound about the same Americans? Yeah, there's pretty much like I'd say for American accents, right? You got your east coast west coast South and south. Yeah. Yeah, and in England we always say you can travel like from where I'm from you can travel 10 minutes And this bit say word different. That's an old country. That's why yeah, it's because it's an old country Our accents haven't had enough time to develop here. Yeah, right, you know when you go to old countries you hear that I mean, it's so fascinating to me. I'll accents develop and grow. It's crazy such a weird thing So is that is that your theory then you think that in another two three five hundred years? We're gonna have like San Jose will be like talk one way No, not moving not moving forward because the world's gotten smaller and people travel so much and hear each other so much on Social media and internet but back back if you go back, you know, two three four five hundred years or a thousand years People didn't move very far. They couldn't it took a long time to get anywhere So people developed a way of talking within their communities and in the old old countries you get dialects So like you go to China you go to Italy you go to Greece you hear different dialects in different regions well trip on this you guys do you see what's going on with Emojis and what they're what they're talking about predicting in the future with that that we're actually go back to looking at like Images instead. Wow. That's the thing about it. You can put like three or four emojis together Yeah, and when you look at it you can put together almost a paragraph what you're trying to say He always sends the eggplant one They're pushing that to go that direction so you are shoot You're already seeing actually companies at start to market this way also right companies like pizza I can't a couple other ones. I was reading this article But it's kind of fascinating when you think about that that we may not even like type out words or anymore Could it be a trend that is gone again in 10 years or something that's here You know why you want to know why because it feeds right into the this frenzy of Downloading and giving your brain information at a faster rate instantly if it was the other way I would say that or if it was a lateral move like I'd say, oh, it could be a trend to go away But because it's it's improving the amount of information that you can download faster than in language language develops You know over time it develops based on the culture and our culture now is text. It's internet It's the slang has changed already. I have two kids already. They say words. I'm like, what the fuck you're saying? I have no idea what you're talking about and attention spans are going up a much much shorter now than the world Just even 10 years ago like I've said it before about when Facebook was like a big long status Then I went down to 140 characters on Twitter Then I went then I went to Instagram just fucking pictures Yeah, they weren't even sure that on snapchat where it's just you just pressing it so attention spans So this here, you know, it makes a lot of sense. Well, and this is also why we seek industries like Meditation and stuff on a huge rise because that's an offset it exactly that's the opposite counter counter this because you have No intention span. You're downloading all this information. You're never present So you and people are starting to put that together in fact you're seeing things like anxiety and depression Start to our continuing to rise and I think that's part of it. Yeah, people aren't slowing down. Right. Yeah, non-stop. We need more floatings Yeah, and then with it with the instantaneously stuff like a like uber now movies You remember when you're used to weird remember when you started wait on the listen the radio for a song to come on Yeah, no, you'd be sitting there all day. We're gonna do that America as well. Oh, we talked about this on mine pump I remember it vivid memory, right? I'm actually do you remember a song? I'll give you one in former by snow. I remember Remember I remember being a kid swimming in our little doble a pool with my Outside my tape all ready to go and waiting all day for that fucking song to come on It's just gets out like rushing out of the pool diving across the deck to slide over and hit record Nothing's changed more than porn. Let's be honest. That's that's for sure. I know I bring that up all the time But that's so drastically different all the time every time porn was so valuable when we were kids Do you remember that? Yeah, you get a magazine a dirty magazine. You were like the man Yeah, I tried it for anything kids would give away their bike for dirty magazine. I'm not even joking. Yeah today You couldn't do that. No, it's just on your phone instantly as soon as you want it Well, this is also watching it earlier those same kids are getting desensitized, right? Because now it's like they're having erectile dysfunction at like 30 years old earlier in the 20s 20 years old you see that you see huge rise in that right now An expert yeah, that's fucking sex lives up and what we were talking about on our last podcast was about virtual reality now Now they want to come up with virtual reality porn. So now you're on top of a hot chick, you know, and yeah, yeah Hold on a second. What's this coming out? Well, we got a live row. You already got Yeah, we got a lady called Holly Vanderloos one of the biggest porn directors in the world She was telling us all about on the show and yeah, it's gonna come out So you're there with a 10 out of 10 chick every single time and now you've got to go back to your missus Who's the fucking six or not my missus So how's guys virgins ever going to get fucking late and when they do how they ever want to be comfortable? Why would they want to? Yeah, exactly. I mean cuz you're fucking your hand. You're not actually You're not actually fucking the virtual reality thing. What about when you Do that again real good Yeah, yeah, what about when they make the robots all realistic Device now where you stick on top right the girl on the other end of it during the Operates it operates. So she's like has an apparatus. She's sticking up in there and everything and you're feeling everything Yeah No, I saw it, but I I Was looking at your Mind pump Instagram the other day when you asked for questions and I seen you got hundreds of questions people asking your questions And there was questions about everything from post-natal we at loss to Create a to build a muscle to everything And I just made us think wow these guys are really smart bastards if you answer these questions now We don't we actually pay someone to do that But there wasn't a question on there about how to last longer in bed We don't know the answer Where do you get I mean obviously you've got some loyal followers and loyal Supporters because I was reading and maybe almost seeing about how well your sure is and how much it's helping them in their lives Where do you get all this knowledge from because obviously is a smart bastard? It's just it's years and years and years in the end Jesus Christ. Get the fuck out of us Decades These guys these guys For me adds three years Easily like 45 years. I know I'm 38, but 18 years old Yeah, that's a long time. That's a long time in the industry But really when you've been doing it as long as we have and you have a passion for it You can't help but learn a lot all the time and it's not on purpose, you know It's like you go out Because I think between the three of us. It's not like we've held tons of certifications Or had lots and lots of formal education We've had what what you need to in order to work in this industry, but just we just have passions for it So we constantly are learning and it's constantly evolving to you. You have to stay on top of what's changing, right? And if you're not you're gonna get left behind On top of that, yeah, especially in the certification realm It's like, you know, you only get so much from going through these these Processes where you know, I'm learning from a textbook I'm I'm learning the methods and everything in theory, but I haven't put any of this to practice yet right and for us like we really Focused on the experience of it and then as we went along we really like sought these other methods and decide whether or not They're valid. So yeah, yeah, so what would you say the best way of studying and learning all this stuff is? You know, I wish I'll tell you what I wish because personal training certifications, you know the academic They'll give you the information that you want to start with but I the way I think it should be done is I think there should be an Internship I think you should be an apprentice for a year or so because The most I ever learned was just on the job working with people training others working with other trainers And when you're working with clients if you're really Passionate about being a trainer you really learn a lot about what actually works and not just what works Here's a big there's a big difference between what works on paper and what works in real life because in real life You have to take into account is the person going to do it are they going to enjoy it the psychology behind because I could tell Anybody what I know is gonna work here. Do your cardio work out? Here's your diet do it and you're gonna lose weight in shape But I'm not factoring in the psychological component. I'm not the biggest piece Which is the most neglected. That's what we all tapped into. Yeah, we figured that out It's like really about the the psychology of the individual coming into the situation and how can we steer them, you know correctly Well, we we also you know and I was talking about other places But that's why we created mind pump is because we wanted to be that place Like we wanted to be the place that if you're a trainer or even if you're just someone passionate about fitness And you want to learn and you want to do it in a way. That's not Like opening a textbook and sitting down and reading it from front to back. Yeah, that's a lot of what we try and provide You know, you give a little bit of entertainment or you know, and I don't even say entertain I hate saying entertainment cuz I like we script anything or we act out or but we we give the information The way I would teach it to a client Which is the simplest way I can deliver it to them to get across what they need to know to get to their goals Instead and the problem with academia is they're so concerned about who's more right and then they almost they forget Yeah, and they and the message they deliver only a trainer and it's somebody that's really into the science is gonna absorb it And then the rest of people it normally turns them off and it just confuses them because there's so many conflicting theories that are out I'll give you I'll give you a great example of The human psyche and how if you don't take that into account what you think may work actually backfires I'll give you a great example I don't know what town or city this was but they Enacted a law because they were trying to combat obesity obesity is a huge epidemic in the in Western societies It's poised to bankrupt Country arca America. It's it's poised to bankrupt us if we don't get a handle on it And people are educated more than ever on calories, you know, you got to take in less calories and you burn That's how you lose weight and so the city said hey Why don't we make it a rule or a law that all restaurants have to display calories proteins fats and carbs On all their menus so when you look in the menu or you look in a fast-food restaurant You can see how many calories each thing was and they thought to themselves Well, this will help because now people are more informed and what they found was that when they put the numbers up People actually ate more calories Because this is the human psyche part Instead of people looking at the Big Mac and then looking at the chicken salad and saying oh, I'll save you know What I should get the chicken salad because it's 200 calories less What they're doing is saying holy shit for only 200 more calories. I can get the Big Mac So I'm gonna get the Big Mac and fed they justified it and they found it did the absolute opposite now as trainers Who've worked with people for you know years and years and years We know that part is extremely important and we understand how to communicate What we're trying to get across to get people to get to their goals and there's a lot of things that are underlying It's not nearly as simple as they make it sound Well, I'd also say that we're probably better communicators than we are even trainers, right? I think that's what we probably pride ourselves on is that ability to communicate to her because we made a lot of the Same mistakes that a lot of the the trainers are still making and we're making you know 10 15 years ago because we didn't know any better and a lot of the information that was given to us was biased You know the people that dominate the fitness industry in the market right now are you know? Supplement companies and companies that have bias that want you to push this for this reason and so even the studies that are out There so if you're even somebody who's looking out for more knowledge and information It's even tough to know what you're reading is good information just because it was published by somebody and it you know You think oh, it's a study, you know these doctors did it It must be right But what you don't know is the behind the scenes of why they even ran that study because all they're really trying to do is promote Something when really you strip everything away you realize it's splitting hairs on what the difference is going to make in your real actual Your actual journey not only that but I'll give you another example. We've all heard of low fat We've all heard a low carb, right? Have you ever heard anybody promote and say hey You should do a protein fast you should go low protein for a week or for a day or for a few days never Protein powders are among the top-selling supplements on the market. They're huge, right? There's real benefits to going low protein sometimes absolutely It's it's part of the fasting protocol if you want to improve This the the cell regeneration process if you want to kill off old cells Avoiding protein along with carbohydrates is one of the best things you could possibly do This is why fasting one of the reasons why fasting is so healthy But you'll simulate it better too and you reintroduce when you reach absolutely your body actually becomes Desensitized if you eat protein all the time at high levels, but they'll never tell you that I just want to touch on the fasting thing. What what have you found to be the most effective? What's the word I'm component to it no like Frequency so some people say like 30 days I've heard that number coming down a little bit more and that's people saying every two weeks Even less than that. No, it's getting more and more frequent. Well, it's extremely individual. It's very very individual So if you have I'll give you an example wait before you go into your example sure one of the things that we always like Tell people because we we wrote a book on on fasting And we're we we talk about it a lot on our show, but one of the things we always preface with is that? It's it's an advanced technique of Eating and that sounds weird, right because it's not eating like how's how fucking advanced is that really right? But why why why it's advanced and is and I just had this conversation with a Old friend of mine that I was helping out right now And he said, you know, I heard you guys you guys talk a lot about fasting So I'm gonna start fasting I'm a fast tomorrow. They will pump your brakes Let's first learn about what your body needs before you start just starving it for you know 20s on the hours regardless of what the science says as far as benefits you have the wrong Connection with it like you're doing it because you want to lose weight That's not the reason why you should fast You should fast for all the other benefits that you're getting from it like neuro genesis like appetite control, you know You're you doing yeah There's a whole bunch of them But that's the reason why you should do it not because you think it's gonna speed up your results because then then you have a bad Relationship with food then you start to connect. Oh, okay. Don't eat this helps me lose weight Right. Do you know what they call fasting a bad relationship with fasting for losing weight anorexia? See people people don't they don't they don't make that connection So, you know when it comes to fasting I mean to your to your original question in terms of what's the best way to do it? It's very individual Fasting in the the experts on fasting will will say it is not a stress on the body and in the past I've actually made that mistake and said it's a stress on the body and it causes adaptations Dr. Walter Longo who's one of the foremost? Researchers on the subject says no it is simply another operating system for the body and both of them are essential Many of the benefits of fasting come from when you eat afterwards So you lose all these old cells and then you rebuild them again, and you become more literally more youthful But here's the deal with fasting if you are in a high-stressed state if you are fatigued if you are a woman If you have low thyroid or you have hormonal issues Fasting can in fact make things a lot worse. So you have to come at you You want to use fasting according to how you're how healthy or how fit your body is and how your body to respond Men can typically do it more frequently and get better results women if they fast too often or too long They'll get symptoms of like hair loss You know hormonal fluctuations main probably because the female body evolved to bear children And so it thinks it's starving and it starts to have these kind of stress responses if you will so it's very very individual But the benefits the science will say that the benefits of fasting kick in I think at 17 or 18 hours or something like that That's when you really get the benefits. It kicks a fast thing they kick in at 12 I typically tell people 17 to 24 But you know, I know we totally danced around the question as far as like giving you a like I If I'm recommending somebody who has a good relationship with food like we've made it past that like we've been training for a while I feel confident. Okay. How would I teach you? I would give it to you once a week. That's it once a week fast That's it fast once a week. Yeah, how how like I've thought about trying to fast and incorporate it into what I do But I've kind of come to the conclusion that I'm too active I'm too go go go all the time. I need energy in my body. I'm shredding like three four thousand calories per day doing what I do So I just feel like I wouldn't be productive No, I understand what you're saying because it could be difficult to get enough calories within a short period of time I mean, I struggle to get enough calories as it is like quality calories as it is. Yeah You're yeah, I would see that so I would definitely use it judiciously But you can simply eat within a window a time window eight hours, you know And then get your calories within that and maybe do it once a week and then you get the benefits of fasting There's some interesting evidence That is showing and it's not proven yet But it's showing that there may actually be a better adaptation response to people who fast So you may actually build muscle or become more fit or whatever at a faster rate if you utilize fasting now If you look at the science behind that clear that sounds confusing when you say it like that that's like It's not because you're fasted that you're gonna build more muscle that'd be impossible What's it's the benefits that you get from it as far as you being more sensitive? Yeah, it's not because you actually fasted and so and this is like well That's why that makes sense like resetting your sensitivity to exactly protein intake So now your body's gonna simulate it so much better Okay, but someone like games or a warrior diet or something like that where you're your windows a little bit later in the day Yeah, you're actually more fasted. Yeah throughout the morning and throughout the afternoon, right? I don't I don't recommend it though to if you're like talking to you and listening to what you're saying right now Like I wouldn't recommend it to you. Yeah, it's like maybe when your life slows down exactly I'm saying waiting for myself slow down and or maybe when you when you know like hey You you've been wanting to try it and you realize like oh shit Actually, I wasn't very active this week at work and I over consumed the last week and hey You know what this would be a great time to do it because you're not you know You I'm sure there's gonna be a time in your life when you notice that or a down take a break Maybe when you're like a day off from working out or maybe when you're on vacation. I love I love to fast on vacation I'll go on vacation and I won't eat until like dinner and have a nice big meal It's my it's my favorite right and what from that. What do you experience on the other side of that coming out of that fast? What do you know that if you could pick like the top three like maybe mental or physical benefits? So clarity inflammation down those are my two the inflammation So I had I noticed all the things you're supposed to notice like lower inflammation mental clarity I had Kind of this like really good clean clear type of energy while I was fast even the first time I did it I was a eat I ate seven meals a day for years years and the first time I did it I couldn't believe how good I felt when I did it, but really what I got out of it was a psychological benefit because I Came from when I started working out in the way it was all dedicated to building muscle So my relationship to food was like the opposite of somebody who was always overweight I was always skinny and so I was terrified of missing a meal or skipping a meal when I Realized that I could skip a meal and not only not lose muscle, but actually have some benefits It was fucking mind-blowing in fact I would say that one event is really what started me on a path of really questioning everything because up until that point I Accepted the dogma. I accepted the eat, you know over one gram of protein per pound of body I accepted the eat small meals throughout the day I accepted the have protein right after your workout I accepted all these different things is as truth and when I tried fasting for the first time I said holy shit. I was wrong about the meals thing I wonder if the other things are bullshit, too, but it's not necessarily that they're wrong I think they tried and tested methods. It's just that we're learning new things on top of that, right? It's like me personally I lost once I stepped up eating to like four or five meals a day to every two three hours I noticed a drastic There's lots of factors in that that you want to consider that could cause weight loss But the the meal frequency itself if all things are being equal and you compare someone who eats six meals a day Some of three who eats three meals a day and this is by the way has been studied several over and over It's conclusive. There is zero Even the best metabolic rates not through the roof on people that are eating none So what's more likely is that and just it's the same reason why I still tell people like if I were to go back and compete again I would still go back to my six meals a day. You know why because I'm I'm precise about it. I'm tracking its weight It's measured. It's already ready. So people that are, you know, breaking their meals up four to six times They're just more likely to make better choices. Yeah, you know, that's preparation Yes, because they're prepared versus somebody who eats two ginormous meals and isn't paying attention And they're just see my my whole thinking when I went through that was just get my metabolism through the roof Just so that I'm just Constantly So that's the best metabolic rate as high as possible supplement my stuff that's going to increase that I was constantly on like What can I possibly do that's going to accelerate fat loss? Well, that's what that feeds into the other myth, right? That's that that feeds you. I'm talking that this was a long time ago. Yeah, yeah, right But that's that's a great one that we all That's the way we all That is one of the biggest myths in fitness right there is actually one of the first ones that we tackled Was a small meals myth and the way they sell it is they say You know, if your metabolism is a fire you feed it, you know all day long and you keep it roaring And this was and this is what this is what the fitness industry is really good at Is they'll take some science and then they'll find a way to twist it so they can sell product And so what they did is they looked at the fact that there's a thermic effect that comes from food So when you eat food You get a thermic effect. You do get a small amplification in in calorie burning, but it is very small But yet you do get one. Well, it mirrors the calories. That's right The thermic effect is the same whether you have three meals or you have six meals collectively So if the food is the same you get the same thermonet thermic effect There's no difference whether you have small thermic effects or you have two or three Large thermic effects. There's zero effect on the metabolism. In fact in healthy individuals Fasting may in fact and I hate saying this because again, we don't want people to fast for weight loss But fasting's uh effects on insulin sensitivity Are superior to eating small meals which for some people who have insulin issues or issues with sugar May have in fact enhanced fat loss, right? I mean that comes down to what those small meals are, right? Of course, obviously in terms of the insulin response now, let me ask you this Why do you think the supplement industry the fitness industry would promote small meals think about it? How many sell product right and sell small? How many take your heart? Bars and six meals, you know, especially if you haven't tupperware them all out for yourself, you know You're gonna have two or three bars a day. What's your thoughts on a cheat meal or a cheat day? So so I don't like that term Uh a cheat or a meal or day because it places you we call it eating. Yeah Here's the thing now and this is the psychology part of fitness is It's an all it's an all or nothing approach. It's I'm on the wagon. I'm off the wagon today It's cheat meal and then the rest of the week is super super strict and that is just Long-term success is poor on that now people will say I feel better doing this because I know I'm gonna have this cheat meal And it may be a step closer towards A way of eating that's long term But if everything is on or off then that's how you'll always live your life You'll either be very on or you're gonna go off and what will happen is you'll have a little bit of something That's off your meal one day and you're like, fuck it. I'm off already right. Let's go for it You see this with alcoholics. You see this with drug addicts. You see this with food I'm seeing that with key to ketogenic diets to and people stressing about whether they're in ketosis or not Yeah, I think once they're off the line. I'm off. Yeah. Yeah I'd like oh We'll we'll like a sip of wine knock me out a ketosis or whatever and that was another thing We saw a good way to live on a mentally not at all. We we went on a kick maybe last year or sometime It's been a while When we all went ketogenic and we did it so we could experience and we could talk about it And one of the things and I remember sal loved in fact He eats really close to a ketogenic diet most of the time most of the time And I went through it. I I got a I felt amazing And because we expressed it on the show all of a sudden we had this huge wave of people who like Keto keto came we're like, whoa pump the brakes. This is not the official diet of mind pump We're just sharing with you guys some of the benefits that we notice when we're on it So that's the thing that you got to be very careful is it's it's crazy. How bad everybody wants to be put in a box You know, it's like no, we're trying to teach you that there's there's health benefits to it You know, that's what you should focus on is there's a lot of research and there's a lot of health behind that diet However, you know, how sustainable is it for you with your choices that you're already making right now eating wise? And so if it's like Completely different from what you're doing right now like you have to consider that like you're going to a full extreme And and is that going to be able you're going to be able to Is that going to last day to day for you? What is the keto diet? Well, so the medical keto diet is something like 80 percent No, or 95 94 percent a super super high high high fat Very moderate to low protein and an extremely low carbohydrates And that's the medical version of the keto diet and it was originally developed to treat neurological disorders in particular Epilepsy and what they found was there was a doctor Long time ago who found that when he fasted children with epilepsy because it was uncurable at the time where there was no treatments That their seizures reduced in number or were eliminated completely And uh, they couldn't figure out why and later on we figured it was because they were going into ketosis because they had no food So then he there was uh, they put them on a very high fat diet with very low carbohydrates and a little bit of protein and their bodies operated on ketones and ketones seem to suppress Lots of these effects of epilepsy So it was one of the first treatments for epilepsy We now find see that ketogenic dieting has lots of neurological benefits for people with multiple sclerosis Uh, you know alzheimer's people who operate on ketones with alzheimer's seem to have improved cognitive function Probably because the brain loses its ability to utilize glucose Like it normally would in fact many of these disorders May be forms of diabetes. In fact, I think alzheimer's has been called type three diabetes So that's that's what the medical ketogenic diet is but you have these Versions of ketogenic diets like in our field of fitness become trendy now. It's become trendy and it's higher protein You know, so there'll be more like atkins or modified atkins Uh, and you here's what you want to consider There are definite polymorphisms where a ketogenic diet will not only not work will be but it'll be absolutely horrible You have some individuals you put them on a keto diet and you do it, right? And you do the perfect and their blood lipid levels just become horrible and they get lots of inflammation And so that's one of the main reasons why we say you don't want to stick Stay within a camp now. There's general rules in terms of what is healthy and what's not healthy But on an individual Basis the variances can be dramatic you can have two people And a healthy diet for one person can be vegan and on the next person it can be paleo And and if you switch them around you have horrible horrible results This is why we like people that are given out information Like I don't know if you guys are familiar with rob wolf or whatever He just wrote a book called wire to eat, you know, and we're starting to put this together Which is silly that we're just now putting this really together that I mean It depends where this person came from and that's probably the reason why keto works for this person and not for another is because You know your ancestry matters, you know, where you came from So where you live from a majority and that's what we're uh, what people aren't thinking about when they do They're hopping on just because it's a trend, right and people don't even realize or I shouldn't say people I don't that's an overginalization a lot of people don't understand What they're supposed to get from that and when I talk to someone that's going through ketogenic diet I'm trying to help them connect the way they feel when they have eliminated a lot of these carbs Right, you know and sugar and processed foods and up their fats. Yeah, and up their up their healthy It's interesting what you said about Where people are from like and ancestry is huge, right? I think that's one of the main things that comes up when people talk about gluten and lactose intolerance Like for me, like we we grew up like on milk as kids and you know, it's like and then I'd never even heard of lactose intolerance Until I don't know even like five six years ago And now it seems like everyone I talked to over here is like lactose intolerant And I'm like and and I'm always skeptical man. I'm like, are you really lactose intolerant? Or are you just saying that because he's fashionable to say? But I think people probably are and I think it's probably because of where they've grown up and The the culture and lifestyle climate and that kind of stuff No, well, northern europeans have uh, they domesticated cows and used milk A long time ago and so the it became very advantageous for people of northern european cultures to Evolve and develop genes that had them Be able to digest the lactose that's found in dairy Now all of us can digest lactose or most people can digest lactose babies But we lose that ability but northern europeans a much higher percentage of them Maintain that as they get older as you go further south in europe. It becomes less and less in africa. It's very low Uh in asia. It's very very low. So lactose intolerance is quite high in those countries But in africa there is one region Where they have a very very uh high ability to digest lactose And in fact when they study them they find that they have a different gene That allows them to digest lactose. So it happened through different pathways But they evolved the same gene and this is because this particular region had also domesticated cows long time ago Why are we there? Why i'm laughing now. It's like remember what i asked you at the beginning about being a smart bastard Where the fuck did you find out? africa Yeah, yeah, it just pops out random I don't know. Where do you find out? Yeah, no, I read that. Uh, god. I don't remember where I think I read that in um, I want to say national geographic I can't remember but I did read that a while ago about the differences between, you know How lactose is a great example because it's such a cleaning, you know clean cut and dry Lactose intolerant or not lactose intolerant and the differences between the different regions of the world But uh, I don't know if it was this article But there's another article I read about if you look at the native american population in america for example Um or hispanic, uh population. They have a much higher rate of uh diabetes If they eat the western diet then then other people anglo anglo americans, for example Don't have as high a rate of type 2 diabetes And they think it was because native americans were hunter-gatherers for longer periods of time And they didn't have access to tons of starches and carbohydrates Whereas the europeans with agriculture were eating things like wheat Uh for long, you know, so their bodies just Just didn't respond as well to you know, all those starches. That's so interesting That's amazing that you remember all that shit. Yeah, maybe I made it up When you when you read stuff like that What makes you so sure of it by who wrote it? Um, you know, I just read the science and the studies, but you know, it's a good that's a good I'm glad you said that because that's a very good question. Yeah, because science When especially when it comes to nutrition Many many times is countered by other studies Many many times well, and I think to answer that what we I think we all have a habit of doing is no matter What we read where we read it we always search right afterwards. I'm going to search the opposite side Whoever opposed that right and that's and I think I wish that would happen in politics Yeah, right. I feel like we talk about this too. I feel like you should have to do that I have so much more respect for somebody like we were at I don't know if you guys know who paul check is we recently went up to the heaven house amazing and brilliant man and one of the things I was most impressed with was His library was insane and what was so insane about it was All the different like opposing arguments like thing ideologies that didn't even match that would you know If you were a part of that you'd be talking shit, but he's read them all You know and so I just have a lot of respect for somebody who's done that because I feel like even some of the smartest minds that we meet They get they get they drink their own juice and they get so caught up in their own dogma Yeah, they get they have winders your own argument too If you know the other side to that level right because then you could speak You know from what from their perspective as well And you have to consider too that ideologies especially if they've been around for a long time in old cultures They there's many times truth in a lot of them like if you look at western medicine and eastern medicine They seem like They're they couldn't exist in the same universe right western medicine completely different from eastern medicine But that's because they both do what they do quite well western medicine is unparalleled in its ability to treat acute conditions You have an infection you want to go to western medicine doctor You don't want to go you know if you have a if you break a bone or if you need surgery You want to go to western medicine if you have a chronic condition long term chronic condition You're probably going to do better off going to eastern medicine because when you go to western medicine doctor He's going to give you a pill to treat the symptom Whereas eastern medicine doctors are going to look at you and say okay. How are you eating? How are you sleeping the root of tell me about your energy and all these different things So in reality they're complimentary and this is when it comes to nutrition when it comes to fitness You look at all these different methodologies with exercise kettle bells mace bells barbells You've got machines cables bands. You've got body weight exercise You've got training in circuit fashion, you know straight strength, you know fashion different rep ranges And every camp says that they're the best the reality is they've all got something that's good And if you go in with an open mind You can start to see what they do very very well and you come out much more With a much better whole approach and a better appreciation for when people have an opinion on something Because you can say maybe there's something to it. Yeah, do you three ever disagree all the time every day really all the fucking time? 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