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Don't fast forward to programs on sale 50% off to very effective muscle building programs Maps strong and maps power lift both half off. Go check them out head over to maps fitness products calm Just use the code August special with no space for the discount. All right. Enjoy the show Dude, I was thinking about you the other day Justin. Whoa Okay, again No, no, no, you know what I was doing what kind of thoughts so I was doing a Workout to try to induce sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, which we'll talk about here in a second We have talked about this in a while For my lower brain really operate and work like that way like that's being said My head isn't that's what mine says I'm gonna get a fucking pump today. That's what goes on in my I'm gonna get a sarcoplasmic The voice is wrong the words are correct, but the voice is wrong. Yeah, no, so I was I Wanted yeah, I wanted a train for sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. Yes known as the pump So anyway, I'm doing higher rep leg stuff, which I really do because I hate and I'm getting this really intense leg pump But here's why I thought about you Justin. Okay, I in between sets. I like to walk around I made the mistake in the past of sitting in between sets of high rep leg stuff, which is terrible Forget about it. So I'm walking around and I could feel because I have a pump right I can feel my cakes shake Yeah, yeah Making earthquakes and I like this is what Justin feels like all the time all day all day long Yeah, so here's what I want to talk about with so a lot of people don't know this about so sarcoplasmic hypertrophy actually pulled up a Definition so that when you get the pump That's called transient sarcoplasmic hypertrophy meaning it's this temporary growth of the muscle because blood Fills the muscle But is water included in that water? Yeah. Yeah, of course. Well a big percentage of blood is water, too But you can actually build muscle without building muscle fibers Through what is known as sarcoplasmic hypertrophy? So sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is an increase in the volume of the sarcolema and or sarcoplasm now Here's the important part accompanied by an increase in the volume of mitochondria sarcoplasmic reticulum t-tubules and or sarcoplasmic enzyme or substrate content in other words all The stuff that makes up your muscle size Besides muscle fibers that are also important these are also important things That are involved in the function of your muscle the performance of your muscle They're involved in the building of your muscle You can actually increase the amount of these things by training and utilizing the pump This is why bodybuilders for a long time have loved and noticed that these are like an exaggeration That's it. Well, that's I was just gonna say that's the research that supports Why BFR absolutely beneficial because you're obviously not Breaking down like you would if you're heavy loading a barbell squad or doing something like that But you are getting a massive pump from it Yeah And if you think about it, you know if you were to look at all the things that make up your muscle size Your muscle fibers are actually not the majority. It's the sarcoplasm It's all the other stuff that makes up the size of your muscles. So in terms of and it also helps performance That's that's a key. I want to make and that just looks but if you want to make your muscles look bigger rounder fuller Training for the pump going through faith. This is why in maps programs We always have or typically will have some kind of a pump phase in there Yeah, it's a part of developing but it actually so if someone always trains this way now I feel like I fell in this category for a really long time always always trained this way and one of the Critiques I have on this is it it seems to be most beneficial When I'm drinking lots of fluid and eating lots of calories and then getting pumped up in the gym But then if I'm not doing those things I deflate down to this same old size that I felt like I was trapped in forever It wasn't until I started to train heavy and lift Did I actually feel like the gains that I got from that? Where maybe not as pronounced as like a pump would be but they stuck with me Does that make sense totally when I started lifting heavy and Training in like, you know low rep range and really loading strength training, right? And I'd see gains on my my arms or something my tricep like even when I wasn't working out even when I was impumped I was like, oh, I could I could see definition I can notice a difference from that now when I was before that I was training for the pump all the time chasing that and super setting and high reps all the time and Bad when I was in the gym. I felt amazing look I would look at myself and I was all aired up, but then about an hour later I deflate back down and then I felt like I didn't even look I don't even look like I trained them So, you know, it's funny is I read an article Recently that Arnold actually contributed to and he talked about how he would always incorporate in his off-season a power lifting cycle So a lot of people don't know this but Arnold Competed and trained as a power lifter before he competed as a bodybuilder In fact, he had some some European records at the time pretty strong guy I think his max bench press at the time was 505 or 550 which back then was still a lot of weight But back then it was a ton of weight, right? And what he said was he noticed that when he would train this way, he would get a much denser Look to his body and I've heard other people other bodybuilders talk about that But the heavy training gives him this kind of granite hard dense look whereas training for the pump gives you more of that bubbly Kind of round look or whatever. So both right? They're both really one hundred percent agree and subscribe to that And I think that people that want to knock it or it's the same thing like when you hear Eastern medicine and the stuff that we used to explain sounded a little woo-woo because we didn't have the right Verbiage around it or we hadn't put together a lot of the studies to support exactly what we're trying to convey So I think you know bodybuilders like him have been trying to express it or explain it I've personally experienced it. I don't know how to explain it like I don't know how to tell somebody exactly What's happening? It makes sense to me that if you train for the sarcoplasmic hypertrophy all the time that you train the ability For the body to hold more fluid in the muscle now from yeah functional perspective like That in terms of having muscle more muscle endurance and being able to provide, you know more Bouts of work, you know, that could be something that to to consider, you know in terms of sarcoplasmic Oh, yeah, you know, there's a cell volumizing effect that also stimulates Muscle protein synthesis the building of muscle creatine actually does this to some extent because creatine Causes your muscles to hold a little bit more fluid that actually sends them a small muscle building signal They all contribute to each other. So they're all important to train in But it's just interesting, you know as I said as I was training I could feel you know by the way You know is a good example this this is I know this is not this is not a study because it's only one person But like stand efforting right stand efforting power lifter Turn bodybuilder and he had to train in the higher rep ranges to get the volume of his muscles But he always had that granite hard look. Yeah to his body. So been Paula same thing. Yes, right? So it's very very interesting. So it's just one of those things and I know we tend to lean one way or the other I don't mind pump training for the upper body and for the lower body though. It's so damn grueling just those reps I just want to well I think that's the amount of blood that has to leave from the heart down to your to your feet and And those are massive muscles. So it's a lot of it, right? You can get a crazy burn and pump in the bicep It's like how much blood does your body really need to send in that direction where you get a pump in the quads and the hamstrings And it's like that's a lot. It's hard to walk. Yeah, that's a lot Speaking of you know, blood pump and all that stuff. So I you know, you guys ever fall into the same Yeah, I'm sure you do just keep making the same mistake over and over again because you don't learn your lesson training Wiser and never just everything For me for me. This is a I'm not this is not a life once as a training one But so every once in a while you guys know have a little bit of a supplement Relationship I like supplements. Yeah, I have a good time with them. I went to every once in a while I'll do this. I'll go get gas or something and then oh, there's a supplement store. Let me just go in there Just walk around. I like doing it see what's going on and I saw some of their pre-workout ready to drink drinks, right? I can't believe you're even in a supplement store Supplements in this store here that you could eat supplements every day twice a day for the next year and never get through Now what gets you more excited is it the color and the labels and the marketing is it the names of these crazy-ass products like what is Yes, it's like I'm a self-experimenter. Oh, it's the chemicals dude It's like oh, this is a new combination of weird shit And you know, it's funny with pre workouts ever since that market opened up Which it's how long how long would you say the pre-workout markets been like 15 years? Oh? Yeah, yeah before that there was it really wasn't a pre-workout category They because the stimulants are you you build a tolerance to them like caffeine, right? You drink a small cup of coffee get you jazzed eventually you need two cups and so on the pre-workout Ingredients have gradually ramped up to insane levels The original pre-workouts had 200 milligrams of caffeine less than that even I remember stuff. I had 150 yeah now It's 400 400 is what you see now. Yeah, some of the baseline now dude I got one right and I read the back and I'm like, oh shit. This has Yo him be in it. Oh, this is tyrosine is in there. Oh, so it's got Agmentine Yeah, it's got a lot of caffeine in there nuclear fallout. Yeah So so I don't know if I want to make my zombie apocalypse podcast. That sounds like a great idea I'm like my eyeballs are sweating. That's what happened. I was I overdid it dude I was working out. I was like, you know what I also find out about that is you're the you're the biggest cheap ass out of all of us and You would go waste money on a product that you have for free, which is funny to me, too Valid point. It's an experience. Oh Overdid it I have something I want to show you Doug. Can you a point I present you privately a video this happened Make sure you pick the right video. He said yeah, it's not the first one He's happened just the other day on the plane. Did you guys hear about this story right here? Oh, I think I saw so I think I saw this play it. I know Doug hates this when we place I want you to see the whole thing what happens another angry blow it up. Oh shit a passenger. Can I read it at him? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, so a passenger allegedly touched two flight attendants breasts Then screamed his parents are worth two million before punching a flight first of all your worth of two million is nothing You're then punching a flight attendant and Suspended the crew for way. Hold on a second the crew duct taped him. Yes. Oh Just wait to see this. That's why I want you guys to watch this. My parents are worth two million Chad lost his mind Hey, he even has the pastel polo on Grab it is like $50,000 my dad's a lawyer Oh Yeah, oh that's That's that ah Bro Wait, did he die? He can breathe. Yes. Okay, so I mean taking matters in it. What kind of Authority do they have to duct tape somebody they have a lot of authority so they maintain the safety if they're in the air Yeah, no, I get that I'm just I'm curious as to like protocol. Yeah, so they're right now They're on a leave of absence And the first statement that came out said they were suspended now the now frontier I think is the name of the plan or whatever raised they came back out again and said that because people sort of freaking out like that They weren't supporting their employees for what they did Yeah, I mean they they a lot of people feel that they they did what they could or they did the right thing Then you have some people that are like, okay, they took this too far. They humiliated him by duck taping his face and some of that I mean, that's pretty humiliated himself. Well. Yeah agreed, right? So I so there I there's some controversy here There's this controversy around did they go too far with it or you know, they don't have they don't have handcuffs They don't have things. There's no there was no air marshal that was on the point They didn't go too far. That's what you know It would have been too far if they like beat the shit out of them after he stopped fighting back like that Might have been a little too far They duck taped him he was acting like it like a moron and it said in the comment or the the clip or whatever that he was touching Female, I think they counted that him like when they he was reaching or swinging at them like that was the wonder if he was You know what though? Yeah, what if he had Tourette's or what if he? Well, that seemed like he might have drunk or something like he didn't seem like he was in the right state of mind Imagine though imagine if he's he's been diagnosed bipolar and has Tourette's yeah, and then they did something like that He's off his meds. I don't know dude. You guys ever deal with anything like that the gym where you had to like Not like that. Well, I don't know I do not the gym. Yeah. Yeah, I told you guys a story There was the already tricked him to walk outside Then you like a biker dude and he was I mean he was gonna fight me dude And so I had to like I had to think fast and I was like all right. I'll fight you Let's go outside meet me outside right and and so he's like yeah So then I opened the door for him to go out Yeah, he's like he walked out and then I just locked it right behind him and he looked at me through the glass and I waved Then we call the police but now I mean I I mean that I've had like I said in that situation You have to think kind of quickly like what I mean now. I think that was a pretty smart maneuver. Yeah Yeah, I think I don't think I've had somebody that I'm trying to think Right away you kind of quell all this like crazy energy Yeah, I don't think I had so I mean I had I told you this story with a guy spit in my face But I mean that didn't in well for him. Yeah, so that was you overreacted. Yeah, I didn't like walk him out the door And I don't think I overreacted. I think he who's been someone's face you get a fucking fist to the face That's just that's what they're asking to me that is up there with like biological warfare, dude Yeah There's certain there's certain things yelling at me calling me names. I mean whatever like that's not a big deal No, I mean I was at a concert and there's this guy's big Dude that was in one of the pits and we saw him thrown girls down and so, you know myself like a mosh pit You mean yeah, but like he was being a total dick and was like and so we all took him out You know like it took a few of us, but we targeted Justifies his fucking bar fighting all it's just saying you saw him hit girls and that was not okay You know what I'm sure that's how that was so I've heard this So I had a friend that was like you Justin He loved going to those kind of concerts you get in the mosh pit. Yeah, and I would ask him like dude Are you do you just rules? Yes? Yeah? I had no idea code. Yeah. Yes, cuz I'm like Why would I do that? You're just getting a mark. You're just fighting people swing He's like no no there's a code and there's ways you do it You don't actually have fights unless you're an asshole and he said he said that if you break the code in the mosh pit You're dead like if you go in there and you're intentionally everybody ends up turning on that guy everybody will turn on that's what happened Yeah, so pretty crazy speaking of funny stuff. So I met one of our our neighbors and He's a he's a spittle in the corner of your mouth person you guys know what I'm talking about A little dribble right you ever meet someone like that as they talk a little bit of like a little bit of foams a little bit of Skittle gathers in the corners of their mouth, and they don't know they just keep talking you ever meet that before yeah Starts bubbling a little bit. That's the worst dude Yeah, I wasn't telling like they have food on their faces at the same thing like yeah You know you're drooling right when it doesn't it doesn't matter It's I've met several people like this and it just happens every time it is a condition Talker two on top of that no Is that a condition I'm sure that's gotta be that's got I don't know I mean there's got to be something going on mechanically with it I'm not working properly and then and so then he gets this build up, right? Don't you think you might be right? I gotta be right here. Don't you think that I had a tease I've had people that I've seen and talked to you before Very rare you see it, but I have seen a handful of people in my life. I just keep going it's right there Yeah, and it doesn't go away. Yeah, it gets all filled up. Yeah, dude. I'm like He's one of those guys. Yeah, I bet they have something going on with their you know, they got lazy tongue part We got sleepy butt syndrome. There's like a sleepy tongue syndrome. He was talking. Okay. I mean his words were pronounced, right? It just said the corner, you know really cuz I think I remember that that person having kind of a lisp, too Oh, really? Yeah, that's fucked up. You got spittle and a lisp. Yeah, is that a thing spittle? Is that Why do I know this Hyper salivation, okay, really some people get like excess saliva in their mouth Spittle, I don't know if that's exact word. I think of spittle is like coming out of your mouth Gleek what is that called? I don't know, but I've seen those little bugs, you know that they cover themselves with spit And have you seen those in nature? Yeah, it's like a little defense mechanism and they covered you see just these little, you know spit piles really? Yeah, it's a little bug. I don't know. It's I have no idea speaking of that. So did you guys actually watch I haven't watched a fantastic fun guy? I know you know what I have don't ruin it too much. I'm gonna watch hold on a second The bug is called a spittle bug Yeah, wow see you know what's funny is that we merged brains there on accident So maybe he's got one of those but I think his face stop All right, so tell me about this okay So tell me why you texted us through the night to tell us to eat an edible watch this because it is mind-blowing All right. Yeah, it's mind-blowing. There's just so much progress I think that we've gotten away from like really cool stuff in media because it's all negative and everybody's thinks the Apocalypse is happening, but at the same time you get somebody like I guess to classify him as like an amateur scientist researcher Which I mean some people are touting him is like like the next like Darwin because of some of these breakthroughs He's found with mushrooms really yeah and fungi and in mycelium in general And so he was able to patent a few just not to like go too far in depth of this because you guys need to watch this But there's just a few things that I was just like mind-blowing about and one of them was basically what he figured out with how to Exterminate certain pests like termites for instance, so Basically long story short there's mycelium that some of the termites will walk over and When they come back to the colony these the the guard Termites will recognize this this fungus that's on on their legs and will basically usher them out of the colony Decapitate them and then we'll commit suicide themselves. So it protects the colony That's extreme. And so I'm and so he's Paul this guy that that's you know, you know discovering all this Was able to come up with a different type of mycelium that actually attracted the The termites and so they would in a sense They would go walk over this bring it back in and then go all the way it would reach all the way to the queen and This would deep like basically just like devour the entire colony And so and it was so successful. You don't even need pesticides. Wow. That's brilliant And and he's been able to prove this in another like even with mosquitoes even with like other types of pests that there's there's very unique Types of mycelium that they can create, you know in the lab to address like each one of these like pests problems Fungi is fascinating. That's actually a very the largest Organism on earth is a mushroom. Yeah, and it's massive. Where is it? Huge it's under I think it's underground underground. It's massive apparently I don't know this whole like like neural network of they communicate through chemicals and things So trees transfer like nutrients to each other through the mycelium and so, you know, it's all interconnected My favorite are how some of these mushrooms will actually infect an animal like an insect and Take over the insect's behavior and make the insect walk up to the top of a tree and position itself So that a bird eats it. Yeah, so it's like committing suicide So the bird eats it poops out the mushroom and it goes to another and it's like this life cycle Well, here's here's another mind-blowing thing, right? So they've you know how you mentioned the trees how they communicate and everything yeah, well, they've been able to like research even further into that and They found really interesting behaviors that they didn't think was possible for but basically the trees recognize siblings So they understand that their group like they have actual like a family You know within that this this family circle. Yeah, so they They take nutrients and gather things and they provide it to their specific Siblings and take care of their family. There's so much. We don't know what you ever see you ever seen those pictures from the ground up so they'll take a picture of like the canopy and Trees will they'll prevent themselves from crowding each other out. And so they'll create these spaces in between their leaves Like they're communicating to each other to give each other space You get more sun. Have you seen these these canopies where they do this? I have seen that. It's crazy I really want to watch that though. So don't don't keep yeah, I won't keep going a lot more, but Yeah, why me I'm gonna be I'm gonna because I definitely get high and watch it. I think that'll be a fun one Just do that if everything's better that way I was watching the one you recommended not that long ago the heist Oh, yeah, that's really so you were saying it's like a series and it talks So it's a doc use it's doc you see like mini doc you I don't know. Is that the right name for that mini doc you series Or just doc you see right where they have well Because there's multiple right so it's not just two episodes for each one of the stories That's right So there's like I don't know six stories and they're all two episodes long and they're all successful heists that are famous Well, they got away. Yeah, do they have the one where the guy jumped out of the plane never found again Oh, no, you know talking about yeah, I know you're talking about what's his name? I've only watched Loki. They had that in Loki. Yeah, what's his name? It's like DB something Cooper Cooper Yeah, dude, what was that one? You never heard about DB Cooper Bro took a bag of money that he already robbed I don't know how many millions of dollars and parachuted out of a plane and nobody's ever found him never found again Yeah, still in the deal. Yeah, look him up. Look at his pictures pictures got these a like sunglasses on and his famous sketch You never did DB Cooper. No. Oh, bro. He's one of the most when was it how far back? Oh, gosh 90s 70s. Oh god that far back. Of course. Yeah, remember that of course what we mean. Why would I remember that? No, I said I do of course. I don't remember that. That's him right there, dude So that guy right there still how much do they say how much money he got away with that? $200,000 so these ones are all famous for they're the biggest heist ever to so 7 million 3 million I think like 10 million and booze on one of them like there was some really cool heist and just I don't know I think it's interesting to listen to clever stories I think I've shared on the podcast before that the robberies get away with robberies Actually way more than than the news leads It was interesting the one with the the airplane heist where they have like all this money in excess that there Yeah, you know sort of they have like a like a warehouse with it then they don't have guards or anything protecting like the money and then so this guy finds this and Basically does his homework from watching all of these like CSI type shows and like like like FBI shows and like how they actually like Find these people so he's basically like just taking all the information down and like Planning and plotting his whole strategy and he gets away and he gets away You know, that's why so I think I've talked about this too on the show a long time ago when I first was talking about the wire Originally when the wire was launched it got removed from television because it laid the blueprints out on how to beat these cases Really? Yeah, because they I mean that was before everybody knows what a burner phone is now Yeah, but that's what made it popular. Nobody knew what it was before that Nobody was oh, that's interesting. It's like common knowledge now, right? Like oh a burner phone like everybody kind of knows what that is But back then nobody knew what it was well I know the movie good fellas if I'm not mistaken that they they almost got they got threatened But putting it out because it was showing too much of of the inner working. Yeah, that's how what wire was I mean, they basically show how the drug dealers avoid Getting caught up Wow and how they stress this all on Netflix. I don't know if heist is on Netflix Heist is on Netflix. Yeah, so you know what else they just put on Netflix Super exciting the Twilight series Yeah, there's a Twilight Zone I got excited and then I didn't know immediately now. It's on it's on there now They're vampires. It's no thanks. It's ranking right? It's ranking real high because there's so many there's a lot of teenagers that watch Netflix Yes, well, so so I've been watching them with Jessica, right? So we're watching Everybody come hey, you're on Kate one more strike you lose your man card Are you on yeah, why you're working out? Twilight one more day purples your favorite color one more. Hey, we'll talk about that for a second one more royalty No, I so I watched it with her because I think they're fun And we talked shit the whole time as we're watching this we're actually having a good time Those movies are so if you watch they're so dumb. No, no, so as I'm watching it So here's I have watched here's something that nobody really talked about right so Edward the freaking vampire Oh, there's lots of people Everybody calm down just hold on a second. I gotta tell you something in the movie. He's a hundred and nine-year-old vampire, right? He fucking falls in love with that minor a 17-year-old girl, and then he marries her. Do they not know he's a hundred nights? A freaking he's a he's a pervert. What are you doing with this kid? Anyway pedophile. That's all I want to say As I'm watching I'm like what the hell whole new angle. I didn't consider exactly This is terrible speaking of plum which is a rad color by the way some of the best muscle cars of all time We're plum color. What's the one that I love so much? Baracudas or challengers or yeah doesn't isn't Viori have and their new collection coming. Yeah, the whole fault thing. They're highlighting So I brought up last time the metapaths, right? So that was part of the fall collection I do know they've introduced more colors I've had they've had the plum for a while because I have the Sunday joggers in plum also How the Sunday juggers in plum brown white three blacks two grays Yeah, so those are my fair. I'm still trying to get that one army green jacket that they had at the location in Santana I got it you did no not on the website when we did the event. I took one. Oh you did Yeah, you took the last size. I did. I didn't know you got that. Yes, right. Oh, I had such a red jacket I love it. Absolutely. Love it So you guys know that in the past purple was royalty because it was you could not find in nature It was very rare and hard to find purple dye There was a particular type of mollusk, which is like a snail that produced this purple dye It was very hard to find and it was punishable by death from grapes. No No, you can't there's very very hard to find real purple dye in nature But again, there was a small risk that produced this purple dye when you did something with it And it was punishable by death to collect these mollusks because they were so hard to get and make purple So kings and queens were purple. It's and now it's on your underwear. Now. It's on my underwear. Yeah It's always interesting to listen to you navigate through your bullshit Somehow I'm gonna just now some way somehow I'm gonna justify watching a teeny-bopper freaking movie and then I'm gonna justify the color purple or why Does anybody use that anymore They're the ones that are fucking up the net the Netflix algorithm with the most watch every the first time I got all excited about them Oh, look at these are all trending these must be good something like the three of the top four were just like this is appealed This is definitely their powers like I can hear everybody's thoughts. Yeah Okay, let's let's be honest. They're they're the dumbest power. Yeah, they're the dumbest vampire Like I grew up watching. What's it called? What was the one that we watch lost boys? Yeah, that's a vampire, bro They bite your head open. Well, I think it doesn't like so Twilight falls in the category of and why I said teeny-bopper. It's like there's like a formula, right to movies to make a love story Yeah, right. It's a love story wrapped into high school drama Like I mean, there's a hundred different ways to tell that story and they all go pop Do you know why girls in particular are infatuated with vampires actually read Jessica read this What book did you the neck sucking? No? I don't know. I'm just just like this is like I got this move No, no, so there's this book I can't remember the book, but it talks about why they want to keep guessing why there's certain things that are found to try It's because a vampire pale. No vampires is looks well looks relatively young You know, obviously relatively young could kill you dangerous, but isn't very protective But it's also so they look young, but they have the wisdom of an old man So it's like it's this contrast like oh my god He's like he looks like me he's a teenager, but he's so wise made the perfect formula for something like Twilight to go huge Yes, because young good-looking, but wise. That's like the formula. That's what girls want at that age, right? I want a guy that's chill because he's got hundreds of years, you know, exactly Exactly, isn't that interesting? How we do that? Anyway speaking of speaking of this kind of stuff So did you guys know Rihanna is a billionaire officially? Oh, she reached a billion a billion There's only it. Okay, so you have Dre you have I don't think has Jay-Z hit it yet No, no, I don't think he has yet. Maybe though. I don't know. I'm not like a vodka and everything I thought that I know he was chasing it. Do you know Andrew? I feel like you're up and up on that hip-hop scene Daddy no, he did he 1.4 billion. Who's Jay-Z? Okay, so he is Producing oh, bro. He's got his got clone champagne. I mean he's got a ton of things, right? So you have is he is he was is he behind the the the champagne? Is it the spade the ace of spade one? It's called Armand Brignac close my So yeah, okay, so you have you have Dre you have Jay-Z. I'm sure P. Diddy is now too then you have Rihanna There's not that wow 1.4 billion. Wow Where's that about Kanye? Oh, you just you don't have a picture of it, Doug That's what I was looking for. Yeah, I'll find it for okay If you want to look up images, it's Kanye up there yet, too. It's Kanye up there. Kanye might be close Yeah, you know, it's it's actually I think it's really cool because we we've watched this happen in the last and this is a This is true with professional athletes. Wow look at the champagne bottle. That's it That is the one so I was that's why I said five or six hundred bucks. Yeah for one bottle. Look at that. That's crazy How do you know this was his was? That but no the last I don't know two two decades or so I would say like this is now a lot of your professional athletes your rappers your movie stars like To you can build with social media now You can build a personal brand and build so much off of that where you couldn't really do that before you Were at the mercy of you know agents and other companies I was just gonna say what you'll notice about all these artists is they did not become billionaires off of music No, no, they become billionaires. They make their money in their name in their art Then they take that they parlay it into some of the partner up with tech and yeah so like Rihanna's got she has a Beauty line called Fenty Beauty line and this is how she's become a billionaire Which is I look I love this I think the Kardashians, right? Yeah. No, it's cool I think this is so brilliant. You aren't athletes some pro athletes starting to do this. No, that's what I'm saying That's they all everyone is I remember when my buddy when he's been on the show before who's a sports agent when We first kind of were hanging out and first Matt he was introduced to me to his pro athletes that he had that were football players and He wanted to use me as an example because that time I had I don't know I only had like 10,000 followers, but I was building my own quote-unquote brands This was before my impump and I was building a presence on social media when you're doing a half-naked photos. Yes, that's whatever it took, right? So You got money So now these agents like that became a big part of his job is actually to help So, you know, it's like hey I'm gonna negotiate your contract get the most money for you and also help you build your personal brand That's great. So that's part of most good Sport sport agents now is they don't just negotiate your contract. They also can help you in this department I imagine some of the bigger agencies and bigger ones even have literally probably departments That help some of these guys and girls with it with building it. Okay, so you just reminded me you're talking about professional sports Wasn't there an article about the 49ers using or utilizing Juve? Yeah recovery. Yeah So what were they saying in there specifically if that was part of their recovery? I think they have a I think I think I saw on their website that it says that they had like the Competitive advantage because they have it which I'm sure is like an article from from Juve for them to post on there Well, I mean, I mean, I'm sure other teams can buy a Juve and use it too I don't you know, that's a good question on what happens when you sign with a pro team like that Exclusive. Yeah, it must be I would think I don't know I don't know if they I mean you as if you're Juve, you don't want to do that Yeah, because you're I mean you're talking about passing on. I know. Do you know Doug? Well, specifically the practice because they're highlighting that Juve was the best option out there that they researched and everything And so it's like it was cool because I remember when this happened like I don't know It was a year ago where they announced that they were like moving into their training facility Yeah, adding these panels for recovery and so they're putting a lot of emphasis on recovery Which is really smart and I'm I was stoked to see them them go that direction I wish I could share with the audience Everyone who's using Juve, but I can't like so when we when I talk to them Oh, yeah They share with me and they're technically not supposed to right because for the same reason why I can't share and talk about it But there's a lot of very big name Pro athletes and all kinds of sports that are using it to get the competitive Okay, so there's a lot more that goes into red light therapy than just having the red light panels Which is all those where all the charlatans come in there is there's intensity direction of the rays and how it's used and worked And Juve is like literally what they'll use in studies when you see red light therapy studies You're you're looking at the way Juve works other red light panels don't do that now They may emit the same red light, but it's not nearly as effective until this day It's still weird to me out. It's the strangest thing like like Jessica I can clearly see in her face when she uses on a regular basis It's remarkable how much now the thing that I can't quite wrap my brain around because I don't fully grasp the science behind it is that is it because And why we're seeing these huge benefits and why I think it's helping so many people is because of how little sunlight We get and many of the benefits that you get from the Juve light are similar to the benefits that you would get from Sun It's more like this. I know it's concentrated. So I know it's like a higher dose of it I'll give you a good example Creatine tremendous benefits for building muscle strength performance also naturally found in Animal proteins, especially red meat now the problem with trying to get the upper limits of creatine because our Muscles can actually store quite a bit of creatine. That's why they do the loading phase and that stuff, right? The problem with trying to eat enough Animal sources of creatine to get creatine is it always is accompanied by proteins fats and calories, right? And in order to get the upper limit of creatine that's going to saturate your muscles It can be a bit unrealistic for most people to get it from food. Okay Do you get some of those red light rays from the Sun? Yes But you also get other rays from the Sun that can cause skin damage sunburn and you have to be out in the Sun very consistent More radiation to consider. Yeah. So with this it's concentrated with this particular wavelength of light That doesn't cause this kind of damage, but produces these positive effects So the benefits can you get some of the benefits from Sun that you get from red light? Yes Can you get all the benefits? No, no, I mean it's crazy That's my point though is I feel like the people that would see the most extreme benefits So let's say you're somebody who lives down by Muscle Beach and your routine is you train and you go land on the beach every single day For an hour afterwards compared to CEO over here in Silicon Valley who, you know works 5 to 11 p.m You know every night, you know burning the candle at both ends Underneath fluorescent lights all day and I were to compare those two bodies and then I would introduce the Juve light three times a week to them My theory is that the the CEO is gonna see the most dramatic benefits from that probably Just like if you were to compare a vegan to somebody who eats red meat occasionally and then creatine Very good point if you were to take a vegan and give them creatine You're gonna see cognitive benefits muscle build energy all these things come in where maybe this person who diets and eats lots of red Meat. Oh, yeah, I feel a difference. It helps but not as dramatic as the yeah No, that's that's a very very good point. I would have to agree with you I would definitely have to agree with you so it's also consistency too, you know in terms of like the frequency of using it You start to feel those effects right so in terms of like being able to consistently have You know a contained light source that gives you those benefits versus like, you know The sun on this day, you know, like I just don't feel like people consistently get that kind of exposure No, I totally I mean that to me that's kind of how I've trained myself to use it is You know at the bare minimum, right if I don't get out on the Sun I'm definitely that's a day. I'm gonna get in front of the Juve every day I'll try and spend 10 to 15 minutes in there in front of it If I can with switching on his in the office is where we have it But for sure if I know it's like oh my god today. I'm like racking my brain I really was not outside and get a walk in the Sun or not that like that's I'm for sure gonna get over there I get 20 yeah speaking of football and stuff any updates on your your team that you're coaching So we're in hell week this week. Oh, this is hell week. Are you going in the morning? So no the double days is next week. So hell week is different. It's all the hell's the conditioning like oh So hell week always for us was also double days, too. So it's it was we do separate. Yeah It's like wow to hell to shitty week hell week and then freakin It's football. Yeah, okay. So what so what? Yeah, what constituted I was gonna say this Let me add to that explain this to somebody who might not understand. So what is the purpose of hell week? What are you trying to train? Honestly, there's no there's no individual work. It's just literally just conditioning. So it's almost like Because the the practices During the summer optional you you kind of use this week as a get everybody back. Yeah, get back everybody That that has been gone and vacationing or whatever like everybody's got to get you know up to speed with everybody Yes, it's actually been consistent. So It's kind of like a last-minute effort to get everybody sort of like in game conditioning Speed and so we're we're just kind of throwing the kitchen sink out. I mean again. This is like This is mindset. So I look at this as the opportunity to Really drive the point home that we don't have quit in us And so when you're fatigued on the field, this is where you got to fight through all those factors Okay, totally different mentality than what I pre-chair in the show and about you know longevity and sustainability and all that This is a sport. So you're saying conditioning This is also this is a lot of it mental conditioning. Yes So you're teaching them and this is important to discern because I think sometimes people or even ex-athletes I've had this happen where I'll have somebody I train and now they're 30 But they played football before and they're like but I used to throw up after my workouts Especially during double days and hell week and that right and I would explain to them That wasn't necessarily to train your body to make it more fit It's that was to train your mind to deal with that kind of grueling because when you're in a game with the team Sometimes the difference between you winning and losing isn't your physical fitness But rather which team is gonna give up mentally first Although the the cardiovascular adaptation that happens in that short period time is actually unbelievable in fact as a kid I thought it was all bullshit. I didn't realize the science until I became a trainer way later on actually how effective that is I always thought oh this is a way for the coaches to punish you for being lazy over the summer Yeah, it feels like punishment. Yeah, it does feel like that when you're a kid going through it You think this is it is mostly mental just to perceive all break and to kind of get at me for being lazy And drinking slurpees all fucking summer and not exercising at all And this is our time to like whip you back into shape But actually your body adapts to cardiovascular training very quickly I mean and if you're doing it twice in a day and running that much for that long It's like in a week's time your cardiovascular endurance compared to what it was seven days ago is Dramatically different. It's unbelievable how fast you can push the VO to yes So I'm in sort of a weird place because the kids know I'm really you know my background in terms of like, you know workouts and Mobility and I'm always stressing all these things and like you know paying attention to their diet making sure they're well fed like you know And eating like two hours before they come to this practice because you saw the very first practice The kids made the mistake of like, you know 20 minutes before like, you know scarf and something down And it's just coming out, you know And so like between that and then also like adding, you know So some sodium into their water, you know to kind of avoid a lot of the cramping and all these types of issues And so I've been talking to them a bit about element tea and you know adding that in and so I have a lot of kids I had a boy pedal our drugs, which is helpful. Yeah, very helpful for some of these kids So, you know, there's a lot of stuff, but it's but again, it's like and we stress that it's like this isn't punishment This is preparation. This is preparation to be able to go all four quarters You know fully conditioned and be able to give a hundred percent each down And so the whole thing is like you pay attention to those little things Who doesn't finish all the way through, you know Is that you're the same effort you gave the very first rep to the very last rep and everything in between And so it's like all those little things, you know, you just got to get in the mindset of that because You know if the kids like you know, it's so easy to take plays off. It's so easy to coast, you know And and so that's what we're looking for that. We're looking to prune all the that kind of stuff Now you told me at one point you had the guys do bear crawls for a hundred yards. Yes That was my idea And Yeah, it was great across the field. Oh my god. And so again, this is this is intense This is hard like I'm like, okay What's gonna be something that they can do physically, but it's gonna be really challenging And so they are already been doing these liners and sprints and stuff And so we kind of finished with with a hundred yard bear crawl which is doable the first 50 yards Like everybody gets through that pretty easily and then all of a sudden after 50 yards, it's Everybody's just dropping like flies. So what's the mix look like you because you have freshman sophomore junior and seniors How many total do you have and what's the mix of each age group? Does it look like? Yeah, so we it's pretty light on the seniors So we don't have that many seniors coming back. So there's you know, a few leaders out there, which we less than 10 Yeah, it's less than 10. It's like eight or so that are you know, confirmed We're still kind of in the recruiting phase. But yeah, we have more juniors and The majority actually of the kids are in the sophomore and freshman class kind of coming up So we're in a predicament where we're actually we're coaching everybody at the same time We're running practices until we can farm more coaches to help with the JVs Now is there for you? Is there a very clear difference between the freshman sophomores to the junior seniors as far as like Mindset and like they're willing to work harder. They're just deer and headlights. Yeah, they're out there. Just like, oh my god What are we doing today? You know like I had to get pads today Like they just they don't know anything like it's like they got dropped off and they're just walking around like this, you know And so I'm just I'm focusing on them to help, you know, kind of I can't imagine you Welcome to hell week. I can't imagine you seeing that and then going like okay I need to organize all these knuckleheads and move them in the same direction to go after a lot of people and win Yes, that's gotta be so scary You know what this makes me like getting ready to go to battle and dudes I shown up like where's my sword Reminds me You ever watch the Kevin Costner or Robin Hood. Yes, he's like trying to teach all the Conners how to like shoot an arrow and they're like Shooting it up. That's kind of what so you know what this makes me think of so I noticed this as a trainer when I would have clients that would do these Absurd workout classes later on CrossFit came out on the scene and they would do absurd workout classes something this is a psychological phenomenon that I think Coaches either do a consciously or subconsciously But when you have a group of people that endure some terrible pain together, it brings them together Oh, no, that's they did that's in 10 that 100% that's like a well-known. Are you noticing that that's a well-known coaching strategy military strategy it's break them all down together So they suffer together and then build them back up and then they build this incredible money You mentioned that because it's it does feel a lot like it's very militant, you know the way that we're sort of structuring But you need you need order, you know, there's a lot of chaos There's a lots of variables of kids, you know, like all kinds of things happening everywhere We're trying to manage it all and so we need everybody within this group to look out for everybody else So we can't we can't like we only have so many eyes out there So we so we're really looking at pushing this back on on these leaders in there And so we're creating these leaders and we're really trying to foster this Culture where they're they're looking out for all the other kids. And so, you know, it's really starting to emerge But it wasn't there before we was devoid of this sort of You know, like family like tight-knit unity, they just suffer a little bit Yeah, well, they need to do but they also need to pay keep each other accountable And so that's really what we're establishing with like really tight Reps and so they do these four quarters where they got to do like The same thing every time they got to do a specific amount of push-ups sit-ups, you know Updowns and all these things and they have to literally like yell out their reps And so we're very adamant about this and we'll walk around and see if you're not counting reps and hammer them on it You know, and it's we want it to echo, you know through the entire Valley And so we're just we're like and it's so like other teams soccer teams. We're going by like, oh, you know Tough do this football, you know, like this is this is a unit, you know We all move together and it's so that's starting to really blossom and it brings a little smile These kids are really really fortunate. I you know, are you gonna do the you know You fumble in practice and then you have to carry the football at school all day long Like yeah, I remember that we're backs already on that. Yeah, where you had you had to carry it around and then every time So you all day long try to strip it you strip it the hunter push-ups that you have to knock out like I'm already thinking marketing because we're We used to have such a good turnout for the community like we'd have the biggest crowds because We just had this such this tight culture and like everybody knew like art Like you be randomly at a store and people I saw your sack on Saturday. I'm like really you went Friday night lights. Yeah, it's totally like that. So we're trying to get out there in the community and We're our next thing we're gonna do like a lift of thaw and when's our first official game I want to make sure we have that calendar. So yes, it's a couple weeks So make sure you guys put it or put it in base camp. So I would love to yeah, I definitely want to go dude I think we all should I think that'll be fun. That'll be awesome. It'll be interesting Yeah, we'll see before we get into the questions a few weeks ago. We shouted out the new Bedford downtown post office in new Bedford, Massachusetts and we got this message from St John barbell from the Mount Pleasant post office in New Bedford, Massachusetts saying that he's the one that Introduced mine pump to them and then he needs a shout out. So I'm shouting And also Yes, they are he says and also we are the better post office Snap wait a second. 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All right Enjoy the rest of the show our first caller is Alec from La Jolla, California. Hey, what's up Alec? How can we help you? Hey, what's up guys? So I just have a question. I'm looking for recommendation for program So I do a lot of surfing also yoga and mobility work and have a hard time keeping on muscle mass So looking to take one of your programs Excellent. Do you do any strength training now? I do. Yeah, intermittently. I'm nothing consistent. So I'm really looking for consistency Okay, and and you want to be able to maintain your your performance too with your surfing and yoga and that kind of stuff, right? Exactly. Okay, would you say you want to look like a sexy athlete? Here's why I'm asking here's why I said that so I think the perfect or or yeah No, just sexy not athlete. Here's here's the reason why I said that We have something called a sexy athlete bundle that combines maps aesthetic Which is kind of a bodybuilding focus program really good for building muscle But it also has maps performance, which is an athletic training program And what you do with the both of them in that particular bundle is you combine the two workouts You alternate between maps aesthetic workouts with maps performance And you kind of get a little bit of both worlds, right? You get to sculpt and shape your body Build some muscle, but you also get to train your body to move and perform like an athlete Which it sounds like it's something that you value the second thing I would say is you definitely want to look at your nutrition Sometimes people have trouble oftentimes. I would say people have trouble building and maintaining muscle Just because their calories aren't high enough So you want to kind of combine the two bump your calories high protein diet and then follow the sexy athlete bundle Which is maps aesthetic with mass performance So I want to I want to dive a little bit into the nutrition because we obviously you did gave the short version because Doug Wouldn't allow you to say everything, but I'm reading your question right now And it sounds like you've tried to gain muscle in the past and you've struggled with that And I'm guessing that has a lot to do with you teach classes. You're super active. You're you're surfing It sounds like you're probably burning a lot and you struggle with probably building. Is that true? Yeah, it's true. Okay. So Nutritionally kind of what what do you see? I mean, are you consistent with the way you eat? Are you inconsistent? Do you have you tracked at all? Yeah, I Have tracked in the past and it's pretty intuitive. You know, I eat when I'm hungry and I don't eat when I'm not I know I also tracked my activity my activity as well So sometimes I see I'm burning well over, you know, 3,000 calories in a day roughly and so I try to match that and you Know it's eating that much is sometimes pretty difficult, but I do my best, you know, Alec I'm gonna say something real quick. You said you're eating intuitively, which is great But intuitive eating is keeping you at your body weight, which sounds like you're healthy You can move well, but your goal is to gain a little bit of muscle This is when you're gonna want to eat a little more than what your body would intuitively want you to eat So if you're okay staying where you're at then keep doing what you're doing But if you want to gain a little bit, you're gonna have to purposely and consciously add more food There's some strategies for someone like you who's this active is and I wouldn't give this Strategy to most people but considering the position you're in and how active you are is actually drinking like some liquid calories before and after a lot of your activity so beer I Mean that's years honestly in your situation with trying to gain I mean, that's actually probably better than water, but you drinking drinks that have calories They're easy for you to take down and that could be a protein shake that could be some sugar-filled drink And I know some people are probably cringing because that's not great advice for the average person But somebody who struggles with putting muscle putting weight on and has a very active lifestyle One of the best things that helped me because I struggled with the same thing Was before I'd go play basketball in your case before you go surf I would make sure I drank like a five to seven hundred calorie Drink or like shake that had was loaded full of calories before and then as soon as I was done I would make sure I fill back up again and that will kind of help get to the calorie intake You need another thing was also Prioritizing my breakfast I was real easily I could get to 11 o'clock without really eating much because I wasn't that hungry in the morning And then I was constantly playing catch up the rest of the day So if struggling because we could put you on the best program in the world Which would be maps anabolic and then performance But if you're not feeding the body enough calories to build you're gonna have a hell of a time You might feel stronger you might feel good and mobile because of the great programming But as far as adding more muscle and more size You may struggle to do that if we don't don't hit your calorie intake on a consistent basis Makes sense all right So so do you have the programs that I had talked about that are in the sexy athlete bundle maps aesthetic and mass performance No, I don't all right. We'll send those over to you Alex So follow them again in that bundle we actually explain how you can combine the two programs So some people like to do more of maps performance in that blend because they like more of the athletic You know parts other people will add a little more maps aesthetic in that blend because they're looking more for the aesthetic aspects I'm gonna I'm gonna push you in the direction of more maps aesthetic and even modify Performance because as you start to get towards the back half of performance There is a lot of movement and you're a very active guy already so I would probably back off on some of the Stuff towards the end of the program as far as I think we even get any cardio recommendation and are the you don't need that Yeah, you're doing that. That's phase four So phase one and two basically kind of stick with that where we're just working on max strength and also, you know appropriate receptive type strength so You know that would work and and go well with what you're trying to do on top of that Also in the days in between is really where you want to maintain your surf skill and you know These other activities that you know, you're you're a part of that. That's a great fit for that on your in-between like mobility or If it's aesthetic, it's your you know focus days Yeah, I think the mobility part portion of performance is gonna is gonna be great for you I would just back half of that program gets pretty intense as far as how much we are moving and burning So a guy like you doesn't need that but the mobility is gonna be phenomenal It's gonna compliment everything that you're doing maps aesthetic though is where I would push you to spend more of your time You know, it's good about the mobility to Alec is I know you do in your comment in your written question It says you've been practicing yoga for a long time, which is which you probably have great range as a motion I'm sure your flexibility is pretty good The mobility and performance really focuses on connection now. I know when yoga is performed correctly That when you're getting into poses and positions, you're active, right? You're not just holding a static stretch, but rather trying to stay active So you're getting some of that with yoga you'll love the mobility movements in performance In fact, you should notice an improvement even in your yoga Practice from the mobility Programming in mass performance Right on. All right, man. Thanks for calling. Yeah. Thank you guys so much. You got it Yeah, I want to touch on the what he said about eating intuitively, you know eating intuitive is a great way to maintain General leanness general health general fitness. It's what I like to refer to as the baseline Moving above or below that. Yeah, so you want to move above that baseline or below like let's say my baseline when I'm healthy When I eat intuitively my body kind of settles around 11% body fat 12 which I tend to be more naturally lean. It's great for me. If I want to get down to 7% body fat It's not intuitive. I have to like push my well It's the difference between having a general goal versus a specific goal Right. So if you generally want to be healthy and strong and fit, it's a great place to live Yeah, intuitive eating and exercising is excellent And there's no reason for you to get you know crazy with tracking and weighing and all that stuff But if you have a very specific goal, I want to add five pounds of muscle or 10 pounds muscle Or I want to lose you want to maximize efficiency and you really like direct it towards there Like as quickly as possible You have to do and it's not to say that you can't get to a place where you can kind of do that intuitively I just think that's a that's a that's a black belt of nutrition to be able to say it's a pursuit It's not a goal. Yeah, does that make sense? Not a it's not a destination This is just well even the best of us, you know, you go back and you figure out was your tracking You're like, oh wow that I didn't even realize I was adding that in still happens to me today I always I'm off always rarely ever am I like right on to the calories and and then also your Burning because you know, maybe I'm maybe I'm dialed in a guest really close on my calorie intake Well, then I realized holy shit. I was moving way less than what I thought too So all that stuff matters but and that but that was my concern with the performance recommendation with this guy because Maps performance is definitely there's a lot more moving in that than towards the later phases That was a good point you made up because the beginning phase are really good Yeah, one and two functional you start getting a three four and there's a lot more There's an endurance in component in there. So because we're thinking of training an athlete and This guy is having a hard time keeping up with the calories One of the best things I ever did was actually switch and this is why I know we we went in the sexy athlete bundle But I also could make the case for maps and a ball over him because one of the one of the biggest hurdles I ever got over was Reducing my movement and one of the best things I did was get out of a five to seven day a week program and Dropped down to a two to three day training volume and that was way better for muscle gaining. Yep, you know Our next caller is adiari from Florida. Hey, adiari. How can we help you? Hi guys, how are you? I'm a huge fan. So thank you for taking the call. I I'm a new mom. So I got the the new mom bundle you guys put out a few months ago And I am almost done with maps Anabolic I'm on the third phase, but my body composition changed for the worst like my my fat. It's just it got Higher for some reason Maybe it's my lack of sleep, you know, the baby's just not having a good time with that And I was just wondering if you have any recommendations if I should change anything in the program And also what I can do once I'm done with anabolic. Yeah, no great question. So You said bad sleep just how bad is your sleep? Well, the baby's waking up once or twice a night consistently and once I put him down to bed I'm I'm getting like maybe five six hours tops every night. Okay, you know So this is this is a very important point and I'm glad you have this question because people need to understand this sleep is imperative just like Diet or exercise in terms of getting your body to to progress or change and Sometimes what we do aside from because right now you can't control your sleep, right? You have a baby I know this I have a young one too and sometimes you can't there's not much you could do to control this It's it's hard, right? So you're sleeping five or six hours a night, which is not very much So you have all these other factors that you can control and sometimes the best you can do is mitigate the damage in other words You're maybe not gonna get the best shape your life But you might be preventing your body from really declining With with your workouts and nutrition. Now the second thing I want to ask is Are you breastfeeding? Yes, okay. Okay. So while you're breastfeeding your hormones are not necessarily conducive to Fitness now, it's not a huge thing But they are your hormones are set up in a way while you're breastfeeding where it might be more difficult To build muscle get stronger burn body fat that kind of stuff Are you noticing any other effects in the body is your strength any better? Yes, everything else. It's like great. I'm Making gains at the gym, right? I'm a lot less stressful I should and the change is not that big it went from like 32 31.8 fat right to like 32 So like just a tiny little bit and then my water weight just went up to I'm just reading up the the test that they did at the gym, but it's not a lot It's just that since I'm feeling so great, right and I'm not waiting myself or anything All right, that's your that's your number one indicator right there The fact that you you're feeling much better and you're getting stronger in the gym I would actually so I don't know how they're testing or who's testing you is it what kind of test is it? It's um, it's a in body like you kind of like step on the machine barefoot and then you sell up those Do you have the paper with you from the in body? Okay? Can you hold that up for me for a second? Which one the first or the second? Yeah, both of them both of them. Yeah, now take those and throw them in the garbage So here's a deal okay, if you're stronger, it's very hard to get stronger and lose muscle I want you to know that it's I mean it's possible There's like CNS issues going on or but extremely rare if you're stronger You probably didn't lose muscle now the body fat percentage on those things I'll I'll tell you right now I can literally Make my body fat percentage go down by three or four percent in the same day on those stupid machines by modifying my water intake and Yeah, there's there's super Hard to be accurate. I wouldn't rely on those your most accurate measures are your performance That's the most because it's you're either stronger or you're not it's very objective How you feel if you're telling me you have more energy and you feel good. That's a wonderful indicator Body fat percentage tests, you know even even caliper test It's not it's not bad But it you just have to you just have to it's a guide and it's it's just another tool to get feedback But you getting stronger and how you feel is more important than that like if you we were to order like well Did it went it went up point two percent? Yeah, so the fact that it is close if it's within a percent to three percent Where you were I'm not really tripping up or down so a percent to three percent I'm not even tripping what's going on there so long as the feedback I'm getting from my client is man. I feel better at them. I'm getting stronger We're adding weight to the bar every time we go in here like everything feels good But I just the scales not moving or the body fat percentage of moving that's okay We're actually you're probably believe it or not in a really good place right now Do you feel difference in the way your clothes fit and all that too? And I have guns now look at The definition is coming like there's a lot of positive Great, I feel I feel really good. I was just so surprised and so yeah, I just I thought of Reaching out to you guys you converted me from a cardio bunny to like Way training and following a program. I actually know what I'm doing at the gym now I'm a lot more confident that space and So yeah, what should I do after baths? Okay? Well, okay? So I'll tell you but let me ask you a couple other questions if you don't mind me asking How tall are you and how much do you weigh I? Am five six and I am one seventeen one sixteen Oh, yeah, you're doing great. You're doing absolutely fine, especially if your strength has gone up You're telling you have guns now here's okay. You want you want to know the truth? I'm gonna break this down. I'm gonna piss off a lot of gym owners and trainers Do you know why there's an in-body machine in the gym? So they can tell you you know sessions a hundred percent. Yes, that's bad about yourself That's the tool so a trainer is gonna look at your thing and he's like, oh, we could do this We it's it presents itself as an objective measure. It's not extremely objective You all those other things are far more important that literally throw that in the garbage I would I would totally toss that the only time I use body fat percentages But people were caliper or underwater weighing and it was when we were like specific like yeah, I'm training someone and They're advanced and we're trying to see if we can you know manipulate their body fat by a percent or two Otherwise it was a total waste of time performance was a way better measure in terms of success Okay, so after maps and a ball like if you're feeling good you're feeling strong. You're feeling fit the next Program to follow is maps performance. That's the best program to follow. You're still gonna continue progressing You're gonna still feel better. You're gonna notice that your strength is still improving But now there's more of an emphasis on movement integrating the whole body Proprioceptive abilities is knowing where your body is in space You're gonna get a little bit more of a of a stamina component towards the end of that program That's the next program. I would say you should follow and if you don't have that we'll make sure we send that over to you I got like oh my god, I have gotten the milk t-shirt and I always get super funny comments at the gym And when they read it, right? They're like, what'd you get that? So I have told two moms at the gym to go and get it for you guys Walking billboards. There you go. Excellent Well, thank you for wearing that thank you for for listening to the podcast and again when you go back to that gym If they ask you to do the in body, just give them the finger So aggressive, thank you Thank you so much guys. No problem. I Hate those stupid machine. I swear to God. I've had more often than not. I've had to help people. I love them I like them. It's a you know, it's just another tool that we have that we didn't have, you know Several decades ago. So the fact that we have it's just we know all the little I mean discrepancies that they yeah, like like this right here like I knew right away That was why my question right away was what what she's doing How was she getting that that body fat percentage and it's common. I mean how sad is that like she's got all these wonderful metrics For all intents and purposes. She's kicking ass. Yeah, especially considering. She's got a newborn, which is really tough Yeah, and then she gets this test and now she's like, oh my gosh, she's questioning all those positive things. It's terrible Yeah, I've I don't know if it's terrible. It's just yet conversation needs to be had not a lot of good trainers Know how to have that conversation yet to your point that it's a great selling tool for them Most of their desired outcome is to get you on personal training sessions So they're gonna lean whichever way is more advantageous for selling more sessions. So But the the conversation is just simply that it's just one more tool that we have to give get feedback on the direction I love it. Especially when I am on like a bulk right and I'm putting weight on I Like to do that multiple times and if I get multiple readings showing that my body fat percentage as is dramatically gone up I adjust my diet, you know what though? I think you need to explain though How you do it because I've seen you do it and you do it at the same time every day Food because I long time ago when that in body first came out. I Intentionally fucked with it in a day I went did it three times in a day throughout the day and I played with my water my carbon take the time everything and I could get a Readings that were five seven percent different all over the place all over the place So that that's what makes them But if you do a good job of say staying fasted doing it first thing in the morning no water No anything they should be pretty close and a good gauge on okay I'm just adding that okay I feel good Strength is going good and then on top of that body fat percentage is hovering around the same place All right, I'm in a good place if I came back and it was like dramatically off. I still wouldn't freak out I would test again, you know, just let's let's stay the course for another week Let's test again. Does it stay on that trajectory or does it level off or go back the other direction? So and it's important. I think that's an important point you control all you're essentially doing a study on yourself If you will where you're controlling all the controllables because you want to make sure everything is the same each time you do it So that it doesn't waver because you know your water intake change for example But I loved it for this so when I would get ready for and of course it it's For someone who's competing. I think it's really helpful, right? So when I would go from switching from bulking over to a cut like for the show A lot of times I would cut a little more aggressive than I should and I like, okay I'm gonna reduce, you know, six seven hundred calories and I'm starting to move more and I'm dropping weight Well, that's great But then when I go and do a body fat test, you know two weeks in a row and I see that two weeks in a row I have lost as much muscle as I have lost body fat, you know, that I'm not moving percentage wise I adjust. Oh, I need to feed more I'm cutting too much and so I increase calories So if it wasn't for that, I'd have a heart because you it's I would definitely be looking like I'm getting smaller and leaner and Heading the right direction, but because I had a resource like that that I could use that. Okay I'm probably cutting too fast and too aggressively. So I think they're useful tools I just think that you get a client who isn't versed enough in all the other factors and variables that play into the reading of that number and You know quite frankly the how you feel and strength is far more important. Yeah, and it's you know, even with competing I've actually had friends that this is screwed them up where yeah, I have buddies that don't use it I have buddies. No, I have I know people who have you have gotten body fat tests And they're not using the mirror because when you're on stage is about how you look and they're like Oh, my body fat's going down. I'm doing okay, even though people like you're not looking as sharp or you know It's not going down, but I'm looking really good. I'm gonna get I'm gonna cut more aggressive and it screws with them I think it really important to understand Kind of what you're explaining there's you got to look at a lot of different things Yeah, no, I'm using steps and what I've been training consistently I'm taking all and that's why I like it because it's just one more piece of data Aggregating all of the methods that that's relatively close. Yes, it can be manipulated But if you do if you tease out a lot of things that will make it a huge difference like if you're Inconsistently tracking your water and you test that thing one day on a Monday at noon And then another time at seven o'clock at night and think that the carbon tank and the water intake difference is not going to change That you're a fool. It's going to it's going to manipulate that machine And so you have to be consistent. Yeah, the least tease out the things that are definitely going to dramatically I've just seen more people get messed up by those tests than the not that's all I've just seen more people come to me and be like My god, I was doing so good. My performance is good. My clothes fit good or or the reverse Wow, I thought I was gaining so much body fat, but it says I got leaner I'm like you did get your average person isn't going to consider all those other metrics It messes with their head. Yeah. No, it's not look at it like straight up like oh, no, I'm gaining. Yeah, that's what happened to her Yeah, I don't think it's a great tool for the average person who doesn't know how I mean But for a coach, it's a phenomenal tool. I loved I loved having a body fat test That's a good point having someone like you decipher it through all the other metrics and controls make sense Yeah, it's no no different than a doctor using some of the tools that he has to get to the bottom If you're healthy or not doesn't mean like the blood pressure reading isn't the end all be all if you're healthy or not But you can pretty much throw out half the time. Yeah. Yeah It's just another thing that you have to be careful of and I do think this is very common that climb even the scale So I was looking for either one She was gonna tell me she doesn't do body fat test and she's just using the scale as her thing or she does some, you know You know, what do you call the digital electronic? Yeah? Yeah, the electronic impedance type of machine that is you know easily manipulated up or down Our next caller is Lex from Georgia. Hey, what's up, Lex? How can we help you? So I originally was just gonna Give you a little bit of my background and then ask y'all what maps program to get But I got a little impatient and I went ahead and bought the starter bundle. Okay, so I'm currently doing About about to go into phase two of anabolic and also doing the no six pack. No BS six pack formula So I guess really my question would be how to format The the programs and so like the the foundational workouts and trigger workouts from anabolic with The no BS and then maybe where to go from there. Yeah, that's okay So I'm glad you asked that because I actually designed both programs to be work to work together, right? So in maps anabolic you have the option of doing between two to three foundational workouts a week in The no BS six pack formula same thing you can do two to three Foundational workouts a week now the no BS six pack formula for people watching Focuses entirely on the core building the muscles of the core so they're more visible even at higher body fat percentages Both programs also have trigger sessions on the off days and trigger sessions are these really short eight to ten minute Low-intensity workouts typically done with bands or body weight and what you're doing is just kind of trying to get a little bit Of a burn a little bit of a pump send a small muscle building signal So a lot of people ask this question. How do I do both programs? Well, here's what you do You alternate the foundational workouts of each so Monday maps anabolic foundational workout Tuesday no BS six pack foundational workout Wednesday Maps on a ball of foundational workout and so on Then on the foundational workouts days of maps anabolic you do trigger sessions From the no BS six pack formula and on the foundational workout days of the no BS six pack formula You do trigger sessions for maps anabolic. So every day or most days You're doing a foundational workout from one of the programs and trigger sessions for the other program. Does that make sense? Yeah, definitely. I saw I've been doing I would say a version of that I Have too many questions if that's okay. Yeah, go for it So one would be so like today. I did a Foundational anabolic workout in the morning do and then this evening I'm gonna do one trigger session from the no BS with that suffice. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, that's good That's absolutely great at least one trigger session a day, right on those off days is good now you can do up to three and I'll I can't stress this enough and I tell people this all the time and I really think people overlook this aspect of especially maps anabolic the trigger sessions, especially when you do them frequently two or three times a day on the off days Make a huge difference. It's like a turbo charger to your body So mess around with that a little bit. So what you might do is Maps anabolic foundational workout in the morning and then at the end of it Do a little trigger session for the no BS six-pack formula and then in the afternoon do another trigger session from the no BS six-pack formula And then at night do a third trigger session Try that out. Remember keep the intensity low on those trigger sessions and then literally not exaggerating Lex within Three or four days you should notice a difference in your strength and how things are feeling and looking They're that effective. So give that a shot It doesn't take up a lot of space and time like I said, they're about eight minutes long each You could do them kind of anywhere see how your body feels as far as where to go next to we we wrote them in In this order to go from anabolic to performance to aesthetic So that would be the ideal sequence of the program. So after you're done with anabolic to move into performance Absolutely. Now. Do you have performance? No, I don't I just I got the starter bundle. So it has, you know, great Great place to start by the way, too. Yeah, so go buy maps performance. No, I'm just we're gonna give We're gonna send that we're gonna send that over to you for free. Okay, and I appreciate you you signing up for the starter bundle That's actually a great place To get going for people. I don't know the starter bundle includes Maps starter maps anabolic Maps prime and then the intuitive nutrition guide now start not start just anabolic and prime Oh anabolic and prime. That's right now. How are you doing with the nutrition aspect of it? Have you gotten into the intuitive nutrition guide? Yeah, no, I've definitely read the whole thing. That's to be honest with you. That's a whole nother can of worms for me the very short version would be that I used to do a lot of working out and high endurance like so not for strength and and And a deficit all the time So I've switched gears completely cuz I'll let you I'm like anybody else that follows y'all listening y'all You know five hours a day. I'm just catching up on all y'all's episodes while I'm working. But anyway, I I'm loving the strength games, you know, the trigger sessions do exactly what you said I mean y'all y'all are a hundred percent right on all the stuff y'all preach The only problem I'm struggling with is because I'm eating more and doing less caloric burn type exercises. I Had a good core And it's starting to actually disappear even though I'm doing the stuff we just discussed so So my my recommendation and have you tracked like your your steps by chance in the day Do you know how much you're moving? I've tracked everything. Okay, so give me an idea What you're what you're moving a day like what's an average day for you as far as steps? So now since I started with y'all's programs. It's 10,000 steps. They used to be more And then you know depending on what I'm doing for my I work on a farm So sometimes it's heavy step day. Sometimes it's not but definitely average is 10,000 So I lowered that tremendously stop doing cardio except once or twice on the weekend so one of the one of the things I do with a client when this happens when we switch somebody from like Moving so much and probably running and training endurance and burning a ton of calories And then we're switching over to kind of speed the metabolism up and build muscle and they're getting the strength gains But if we start to see that we're adding body fat a little bit faster Like I expect you to give a put a little bit on but I also don't want that to get out of control because The idea is that we we just put lean mass on for the most part even though it's inevitable We're gonna put a little bit of body fat on if I get feedback from my client that it's little more than we Would like and if I start to notice it too Then what I'll normally do is just have them either one Will reduce calorie and this has to do with if I think you're in a good calorie place So if I think for your size You're in a pretty good calorie place Then I might restrict a couple hundred calories a day and pull back a tiny bit If I think I want to get you up higher calories, you're still not in a good place for your side I might add movement but not high endurance high like explode not just walking like I just hey, okay We're averaging 10,000 let's average 12,000 steps or let's be aware of the days that you're not working out on the farm and you're more Sedentary and let's make sure you're active on those days to make up for the discrepancy from the other days So those are two kind of options either one we can and you can do a blend of the two We could go let's just move a little bit more and then also maybe cut back a tiny bit on calories The only reason why I don't like to cut back on calories with someone like you if you were you were a chronic Under-eater and overtrainer I don't want to go if you're if you're under 2,000 calories I definitely don't want you lower than that But if you're eating 3,000 calories, I could take 200 calories a day from you to be fine Yeah, what are you at? Do you know how many calories you're eating right now? Yeah, so I've been trying to eat 3,000 and I believe I don't know unless people struggle to eat I'm actually the whole reason I'm doing kind of switching gears and doing y'all's programs and eating You know regimen is because I was hungry all the time. I just got tired of it. So I'm trying to eat 3,000 But I have those issues That like I'll wake up the scale will say something more and then I'll be tremendously less for good that day You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you okay? So I would say maybe get rid of the scale for a little bit that can mess with people's heads So let's not look at the scale Kind of judge on how you feel your performance, you know waste circumference is pretty good Weight can fluctuate quite a bit. I mean I can gain four pounds of water in a day Just especially if you're a good-sized guy. Yeah, I don't know how big you are But if you're over at all 200 pounds or around there, you could easily fluctuate seven and nine pounds Oh, yeah, but you know waste circumference. That's a little bit better That can measure your body fat a little bit more accurately But yeah, I don't look at the scale as much that can mess you up because you know that would do that to me Too in the reverse, right? I was trying to gain. It's like I found myself Subconsciously increasing my intake of like high sodium foods because it would make the scale go up And I know this this particular meal makes me gain weight So get rid of the scale a little bit and kind of listen to your body see how you feel and you can always cut calories down a little bit If you feel like you're putting on body fat a little bit too fast But it does sound like you're trying to speed up your metabolism and in which case I'd say you're for the most part in the right direction Can can ask you one small quite so if there's a three for if like my my six slash eight pack Yeah, I sound like an asshole But that's what I had and it's disappearing but the weight isn't actually changing like I can all right So I'm five nine and I stay between 150 and 155 okay, um But so the I'm still there, but I mean my my core is without a doubt Disappearing but I feel better in other areas because of the strength. Well, you're all so keep this in mind too Okay, so right away when you increase calories you increase carbohydrates you increase sodium Yeah, your body's your body's naturally gonna hold on to a little water So if you're kind of hovering around the same way and yeah, you look a little bit softer Maybe the midsection I would guess that that a lot of that is just a little bit of watery tension that you know I bet you if I just made you not eat for two days and pull back on water I bet that those abs would pop right out and that normally tells me that you're just kind of holding on to a Little bit of extra water based off the probably the carbon take sodium intake and water. Are you stronger? Definitely well the the thing is I didn't do legs for a long time because of injuries and stuff and not only am I doing it now But it's you know the the lifts y'all love which is the compound lift so I'm starting to lose sort of you know some of the Wishingness from you know my stomach down and starting to gain much really quick. I mean it's only been two and a half weeks Oh, dude, you're on fire. Well, especially if you're stronger. Yeah, you're doing good And and if you had a process and you said you had like an eight pack like you were shredded Yeah, I got down to like I said I was I was you know always eating in a deficit and you know I've gone through all those problems that you know a lot of people on your you know that y'all Talk to orthorexia body dysmorphia. I'm trying to improve Oh, do but maybe maybe maybe send salad naked picture in his DMS. Don't do that. Don't do that I know he's always trying to get that for listen. You're you're going times. It'll happen. You're going in the right direction Now that you said that it may is everything starting to make sense get rid of the scale Stop obsessing about your your eight pack that you were shredded before you probably need to gain a little bit of body fat To gain muscle and strength stop weighing yourself and see if you can move in the direction of focusing on performance It's gonna direct you much better Than looking at your abs and weighing yourself on the scale. It gets strong man You're doing good Gotcha, bro. Appreciate that. No problem. We'll send mass performance over to you But thank you so much and I know y'all are busy people and I'd love to give a whole speech But um, I basically just want to say that y'all do so much for people all the time I mean you've already done so much for me already Um, anyway, I long story short. I'm a citrus farmer here in Georgia and We have eight different varieties of citrus and come harvest time this fall if y'all are cool with it Obviously, I talked to y'all later. I'd love to send y'all box of fruit. Oh hell. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I love that It's bestie citrus. You're talking to an Italian, you know, son of immigrants. Are you kidding me? So by the way, thanks for what you do, you know the work that you do I mean you feed you help feed the country. So I appreciate what you're doing as well I will thank you. No problem. Thanks, Lux. All right. Thank y'all It's like the mind games. That's the big thing. Well, that's the theme today, right? Yeah, it's been kind of that it sounds like we've had several people that are actually doing pretty damn good exactly I mean that it's crazy, right? He's only two weeks in feeling stronger already noticing legs are building Yeah, legs are building because you got a little bit of this don't have the right people around them You know convincing them that everything's going well Yeah, and if you take somebody by the way to who's walking around with an eight pack I've talked about this before on the show like when you get really really lean like that The the slightest adjustment or changing calories water anything with that. Oh, yeah, completely Change it's crazy. Dude. You go up you if you're a six percent body fat and you go up one percent body fat It's noticeable. It's drastic. You're a 12 percent body fat. You go up one percent. You can't even tell Yeah, and that keeps getting you know, you're at 15 percent and you change two or three percent You can't even really tell you just started transforming to you know, a whole different direction So, you know, he's got to give himself some time to really like, you know adapt and yeah, no He sounds like he's doing great. It's just exactly what Sal alluded to. I mean a lot of this is up in your head I mean you you're gonna have a little bit softer of a midsection You increase calories like that and you switch from burning as much as you were burning for sure But totally sounds like he's doing great, and that's where I want someone to be right So he's actually in the perfect place that I want a client in this situation I don't want the scale to move. Yeah, wait. Yeah, I don't want our weight to really move You're stronger, but we're stronger adding more calories and you're moving less. Holy are you kidding me? Yeah Like that is like it's all gonna happen. That means we're like literally right on track We just got to be patient our next caller is Catherine from Virginia. Hey Catherine. How can we help you? Hi Kathy? Hey So I am pregnant. I'm due in November and I'm also police officer So my question is gonna be How can I come back from pregnancy? I obviously haven't just delivered a kid But then also go right into a very physically demanding position where my physical fitness is gonna be You know, it could be life and death for me or for somebody else. What do you guys recommend? Yeah, no What are we doing right now? So right now, I'm still able to to lift do plenty of conditioning. I Do I'm running maps aesthetic right now. I'm in phase two Been doing that for about a year and I just keep making progress. I've stayed on it I'm doing sprints. Well, once or twice a week about one to two hundred meters Doing some stair sprints doing some tire flips to try and keep that conditioning up and then able to keep up with The priming as I need to and then core activation work Yeah, pretty sure you're gonna be alright. You're here a badass. First of all, thank you very much for what you do Yes, you're good people like you protecting especially the last couple years really especially last couple years So thanks for what you do and thanks for listening to show so Most of the work that happens Postpartum is actually what happens before you get pregnant while you're pregnant because you're really setting your body up well For a nice bounce back afterwards. Now that being said, I do want to say this There's there's a definitely a challenge that I've encountered. I've trained lots and lots of women pre-during and post-pregnancy and I've trained a lot of women who were very athletic and very fit going into it and Then coming out and here's the challenge always run into they almost always overestimate Their ability postpartum. So here's the main thing that I want you to consider Okay, there's your entire body is gonna maintain lots of strength fitness And yes, you're gonna have a baby on stuff but one part of your body is gonna radically change and radically change its Recruitment pattern and that has to do with the muscles of the core. Okay, especially in the third trimester of pregnancy as the baby is really growing It's stretching things out your transverse abdominis stretches out your abs stretch You're gonna lose connection to these muscles or at least in comparison to the way that you were connected to them before Then you have the baby and you go to work out and this is what happens to a lot of people Is they go work out and they're they're going slow and they're like, you know what? I feel good and they can't figure out why their back is hurting They can't figure out why their hips are bothering like, you know, I feel strong It's really weird like I'm using a weight that's light But my back is starting to bother me or my hips are starting to bother me like what's going on It's all about that core recruitment. So the program I'm gonna recommend Places special emphasis on connecting to those muscles and especially connecting to those muscles through other movements And that's gonna be a map starter now the reason why I set this question up or the answer up the way I'm doing it is because Someone as fit as you as competitive as you is gonna go in a map starter and you're gonna think oh This is easy. It's too easy. I can go harder. Don't do that go map starter Trust the program because what it's doing is it's trying as you follow the program a lot of work on a Physioball a lot of slow work What you're gonna do is you're gonna reintegrate your core with the rest of your body after map starter Depending on how you feel you could go into maps and a ball like you might even be able to go into maps aesthetic But do a whole cycle of map starter as soon as you're cleared to work out So like Sal we've all had lots of experience training clients like yourself in the exact situation You are and I'll tell you that the question that you have is not going to be your problem and challenge You are the type of person who I have to tell to calm down and like be okay with we might have to cut back on some things Be okay with we might get a little softer for a little bit or a little weaker for a little bit That's okay You are absolutely crushing it the fact that you are adding sprints and tire flips in maps aesthetic and your Pregnant right now you are on pace to crush it and you can absolutely so long as your body is feeling and doing well Continue that on I've had clients train pretty pretty hard all the way up into the final month So you is so long as you are feeling good and everything is fine Then you can continue on that pace and like Sal said that the real work is done right now I mean you're obviously gonna have a little bit of downtime right after you have your baby But if you go into that Pretty strong you're gonna rebound really quick But then the the tendency that someone like you has is wanting to get right back into it as fast you can It's totally the mindset like yeah establishing stability and connection to your core Like afterwards is gonna be at the utmost important. So if you can highlight that as you know the priority You know transitioning again and reestablishing that you feel Like like your body is nice and supported then we can start you know getting back in into that sort of get an after-it mode Talking to you is like talking to one of ourselves. I mean this is we can relate to this This is how we all I kept when I tore my Achilles This is the issue like I want to get back to myself and so as soon as I start feeling pretty good Yeah, I'm stretching. I'm stretching the boundaries Katrina was the same way after her after her pregnancy She wanted to get right into it right away. I remember wrestling with her about just stay and start her I know you I'm already feeling good. Can we get to Anna ball? Just relax. You're not you didn't lose a bunch of muscle You're still in great shape. It's gonna come back just as fast relax So that that is actually the conversation. I feel like I can tell by your voice I can tell by what you're doing already muscle memory is real. You know, it's all gonna come back Yeah, you're gonna be good man You were already kicking ass right now and you you you're doing the hard part Which I think we get a lot of people that are Already deep into pregnancy or already had a baby and then they're like what should I do now? And they haven't done any training for the last nine months plus you're you've been maintaining that you're gonna be just fine Follow starter after the baby stick it all the way through even though you're gonna feel like you can get into anabolic That's okay You're still gonna progress in that program and then move back into like yeah, you know, you know Catherine the challenge with being For lack of a better term Disconnected from certain muscles is you almost can't tell it's it's almost like you can't tell that you're Disconnected you're like I feel okay, but it's literally you're not connected to that muscle I can't I remember I had a client who she was a competitive soccer player She played you know division one soccer and then she was into fitness and same thing and then after she had the baby She's like I feel great I feel like I can go run let's go and I said no you're not connected to your core and we had kind of This debate and I had her get down into a vacuum position So all fours and I said I want you to do a vacuum and she sat there and she's like I can't I can't Bring it in like it's hard to understand what it feels like to be disconnected from a muscle But it's hard. It's really hard to tell so you got to kind of trust the process But if you do you're gonna do great. You're gonna do really really good, but try not to overdo it. Okay Awesome, we'll do yeah, we'll send that over to you and keep keep getting those bad guys. Okay. Yeah Thanks so much guys. Can I please just compliment you on your professionalism? I've watched this organization grow over the past couple years I've been so impressed by the integrity of y'all's work and and what you're putting together So thanks. Thanks for doing the good work and putting out a great product. We really appreciate it. Oh, thank you so much Awesome. Thank you Thanks guys Yeah, this this happened to Jessica she's she's you know, she's obviously fit strong Had the baby now she had a C-section so that I had another complication. I could tell as soon as she started Bro, yeah, and she starts working out and I started getting after it. She's like my back. She's like it's weird Why is my back bothering like honey? You're not your core is not firing the way it used to we have to get that back Get on the physio ball. Yeah, I told her I literally took a 10 and 15 pound dumbbell I said this is you can't get any heavier than this and she started doing it and lo and behold Everything started feeling well that the thing that I had to explain to Katrina was and it was hard for her this because we had a very similar Challenge same thing she trained most all the way through the entire pregnancy Had to take a few weeks off right after the baby and then was right back in it And she wanted to go ride an anabolic and I'm like no we're going in starter and then after the first week She was already like okay. I'm feeling good. I'm ready for anabolic. I'm like no And the thing that I try to explain to her too is that if you're getting results from starter, right? That's it's minimal volume in comparison to anabolic. Why would we go to anabolic? There's no reason to I mean the when we said you know this you hear me say it on the show a fucking thousand times Yeah, our goal is to do as little as possible to elicit the most amount of change So if you're telling me you're progressing you're getting stronger you're feeling better week over week Why would we jump out of this program and move into more just because you can do more don't why? So and someone like this is more like us more like I can only imagine if it was me I would be a hard head. It would be hard. Yeah, I know I have to I mean And that's only fair that we admit that as we talked about this like it I feel so passionate about and close to it because I know I have this I'm be guilty the same bullshit I mean I'm dealing with it right now. I'm was we had some momentum going I felt so good at hitting it so hard and heavy and now my elbow hurts my shoulder hurts my hip hurts Why because I was pushing it and overreaching. Yeah, yeah, this is this is the value of having a coach sometimes to tell you to pull back Oh, totally walk you down now look if you like our information, you'll love mine pump free calm head over there Check out all of our free guides, right? So we have lots of free information to help you build your body Shred off body fat. We even have guides for personal trainers mine pump free calm You can also find all of us on Instagram so you can find Justin at mine pump Justin me at mine pump Sal and Adam at mine pump Adam This comment here is from Z Mac. This was Justin's workout video says when Justin has a pump He looks so much more muscular than everyone else. Wow Wow It's Next comment is from Laura Carr. This is a Justin's workout video. I love this I respect that the guys waited so long to show their workouts This is hella inspirational and seems legit also love seeing Sal's workout now Doug and Adam need to complete the sets Yeah, we're missing out on this. Let's get you guys on the phone the best for life It's just funny because it's like they just don't know I'm not gonna show them what I really do You can't give up the secrets. Yeah, you do your your painless work. I don't want you guys to copy me I know that's how it works out at home Justin. I know you leave the show where it's tights and nothing else