 Is he still? Oh yeah, for sure. Actually, so not to go off on that, but does Mike, do you actually get Logan Woodside wraps at Holder now? Well, that's the plan. And again, everybody on the roster contributes to special teams. So we always have contingency plans based on if there's certain injuries or certain things that happen. You look at the Philadelphia game, Aaron Sipas, the punter got hurt during the game, and then they had their backup Holder, their punt return or hold for Jake Elliott into the game, and they were able to execute on their PATs. So those are always things that we work on, whether it's backup Holder, backup kicker, backup punter, backup snapper, those are all things that we work on, just in case purposes. All good? Are there any other, are there any, because Art talks about changes, right? Look at special teams, are there any significant changes you guys are making, whether it's a returner or maybe some of the iconer? There's all meant, for special teams, especially particular with any special teams coach or any roster in NFL, the back half of the roster, that's what we deal with, the back half of the roster with occasional starters from offense and defense. So there's always changes, week in and week out. If you look at our kickoff team, kickoff return, punt return, punt team, field goal, field goal block, every week we usually have a different lineup out there. So there's always changes and we're always looking for a competition at all positions. No different than what the head coach talks about, no different than what our GM talks about. And that's what we do on special teams as well. Yeah coach, in that last game the special teams were prominent. They took the lead, you all got in position for a long field goal that got blocked. Have y'all looked at that and how you want to execute that better if you're getting that same situation? You talking about the Saints game? Yes. Well, we were very fortunate to get ourselves in that position with very little time and the personal foul at the end to try to go out there and hit a low percentage, 63 yard kick. So the guys did a great job protecting. We got good contact on the ball. When you kick a deeper, a longer field goal, the flight of the football changes. If you want to hit it further, you're not going to be able to hit it as high. So like we talked about after that week one game, credit to those guys, they have long lengthy guys that got their hands up. I can't change anything for how we protect. Our guys did a great job protecting. If you remember, we were four for four field goals that game. We had two 50 yard plus field goals and we had two within a one minute span at the end of the half. So those guys, we talked about all 11 guys including Koo did a great job that game executing. So I wouldn't change anything that we would do differently in that game. Who's active on Sunday? What percentage of that decision is Special Team today? Those are conversations Coach Smith and I ourselves have when we were talking about that fourth or fifth receiver, fourth tied in, that extra DB that you dress. We want to make sure Coach Smith speaks highly about Special Teams and making sure that everybody on the roster, when you dress 48 on game day, you want to make sure that those 48 players are all contributing and helping in any fast as possible when it comes to offense, defense and Special Teams. So those are conversations that we have and when we talk about the practice squad guys, when they have those elevations, a lot of times if they're going to be elevated, they're probably going to be helping out on Special Teams unless they have a pretty significant role in offense and defense. So those are conversations that Coach Smith and myself and the other coordinators that we have each and every week to make sure that we're putting the best 48 players out there to help us win. Who's at 82.1% field goals this year? This is the lowest grade since that short stand with the Chargers. I know most of those misses are 50 plus. Is that kind of pick them sometimes when it comes to that, you know, when it's on the longer stuff because obviously one of them is the one that is the same. How do you judge what I guess who is doing? He's having a great season. You guys have to remember to we have a new holder and we have a new snapper last year. We did have a different punter throughout the season, but we had the same snapper. So for what coups doing and he's he's attended 10 plus 10 field goals are 50 plus yards, which I think is one of the highest in the league if not the highest in the league. So for him being the position that he's in and working, we could get fixated on percentages and numbers. But you guys forget about all the other aspects, what it is becoming a leader, you know, leading that room, helping us get fine tuned and get dialed in for what we're trying to do weekend and week out. And you know, his roles change. He used to do kickoffs and field goals. Now he's just doing field goals. So the work that he's putting in and the way that he's handling his business. At the end of the day, he's gotten better. If we could get fixated on numbers, we can those that's objective that like, hey, we just look at the numbers and say he's having a down year. But for what he's doing and the situations that were put in and how he's executing and the mindset that he has, he's having a great season and he continues to get better each and every week. Look back at the Chicago game. I know we didn't talk. He hit an end of half field goal 50 or however many yards and then hit the game winning field goal under two minutes to give us the lead win that game. And that's after, you know, we had the game where we missed two P. A. T.s, which I give credit to Liam and Bradley being able to go out there and execute, whether it's a P. A. T. Or if it's game winning field goal, our operation, our process still stays the same and it all starts with could being a leader in that room. So very blessed to have him in our room along with the other specialist and he continues to get better each and every week. How do you plan to contain the Saints returners for this Sunday's game? Well, you know, after he number 89 rookie out of Weber State, he had a 42 yard return a week before versus Tampa. It was close to being a touchdown. He does a great job of getting vertical with the football in the open field and he's a dynamic returner and kickoff return to. I think he's provided a spark with them with the when they lost hearty going hearty hearty going to IR. We got to do a great job of our kick and coverage working together, understanding our kick plan when it comes to where we want to kick the ball, how deep we want to kick the ball, how short we want to kick the ball, whatever the case may be. And then making sure that our coverage matches with that because you could have a minus in like coverage and have a plus great kick. And I could kind of cover up the coverage. You could have all right kick location distance and have great coverage. But if you have a minus in both, that's usually when big returns happen. So we got to make sure we do a great job of creating manageable space when it comes to kicking the ball and keeping leverage on him and making sure that we put enough bodies on him, get him down to the ground to control field position for our defense. Mostly reserve linemen up front on kicks. Is that about resting the starters? Is that about getting everybody involved? Is there another factor that I'm not understanding? Now, are you talking about field goal, field goal block? Field goal. Now, field goal, we have four of our five starters start on. Yep, Jake Matthews, Kayla McGarry, Lenstrom. Is it the same on PATs? Yeah, PATs, field goals are the same. You use the same guys. So if you want to dress 48 on game day, you have to dress eight offensive linemen. And that's a benefit for us as a special teams coach because now you have more offensive linemen that you can play on field goal. You'll see some units throughout the league, say like the New York Giants, they'll use some D linemen on field goal protection. We have a great group of guys like Jake Matthews, Lenstrom, McGarry, all those guys, Elijah, when he was out there. Those are all starters out there. You know, last year drew Domins on it. He's been on it this year. Hennessy's been on it. We use all of our guys, G.I., Colby. So we're blessed to have that. And then for us to put a D linemen in, if we need them, there needs to be one to two injuries to happen for us to make that move to that position, which I've been there before when we dressed seven offensive linemen before. So it starts with that room. They do a great job. They want to be out there. They love blocking because they know that's an offensive play. And that offensive play field goal equals points for us. So any opportunity to put points on the board, our guys in our room, we talk about O-Lime and D-Lime and skill position guys. They all want to be a part of special teams. So that's a play for us. If it's fourth down or a PAT, we have an opportunity to put points on the board. So we're going to put the best 11 guys out there, whether it's starters or backups. Mike Ford, do you kind of view him similarly to how the Patriots use Slater? And not maybe obviously what he does, but it seems like even though he's listed as a cornerback, he could have like an ST next to him. That would really be as accurate as anything else. Is that how you view him as a stat? I view him as an impact player just for special teams. I mean, what he does on defense is what he does on defense, just like for any other player. I know when he's in our room, he brings a lot of great energy, football, IQ, awareness, positive. He's positive. He's a leader. He leads by example. And I had prior history with him in Detroit. And he's one of the reasons why I'm in this position now as a coordinator because of players like himself. So he's been a great addition to our special teams unit. He does a great job of, you know, leading by example, playing with great effort. In our room, we talk about great plays are made from great effort. And he shows week in and week out the great effort that he puts out on tape, whether you talk about him being a gunner, being one of the first guys downfield on kickoff or punt, or being a lead blocker for us for Avery on the punt return, taking out there trying to block their best gunners or the key block that we had on the kickoff return for touchdown. So those things happen because of effort, attitude, technique, and that's what we harp on our room. And he exemplifies that day in and day out as a special teams player for us. Obviously, when they're, the staff as a whole is making creative decisions. Is that the type of guy because of A, that relationship with B, you view them as such a high impact player that you stand on the table for? Or does they have an impact because of X and Y? Yeah, any player that could help us on special teams on those, that phase of the game that could help us, I'm going to stand on the table for it when it comes to helping our team get better because our special teams is extension and of our offense and defense when it comes to that. So anybody that could help us on those fourth down plays or those kicking downs, I'm going to stand on the table for it because, one, they're great people off the field and they help us on the field. They answer your question, Mike. Obviously, you're part of that decision making process when it comes to making the switch. What did you see from Desmond or maybe no longer see from Marcus that led you to say, okay, this needs to happen. Yeah, I think when you talk about the decision making process, it's an ongoing evaluation of everyone, right? We evaluate not only the players, but we evaluate the scheme. We evaluate the competition at each area. And so for us, right, moving forward when you're starting Desmond here, it's about making sure that there's a comfort level on what we ask him to do and then how we've been preparing him when he's the backup. So it's the same thing I've been talking about for weeks about the backup quarterback. There's a dual mandate, right? It was to not only make sure that he got himself ready mentally and physically as much as he could, but also, right, it was to help the starter. Well, now with him being the starter now, he's already fulfilled part of that mandate, which was getting himself ready to play. Now it's just going out there and physically executing on Sunday. And so that transition's been easy. And now it's about going out there and having his teammates now feel how he leads, how he's in the huddle, what his commands like, what he talks about now on certain routes that he likes in certain aspects of the plays. And so that's obviously more of a feeling out process as we move forward during the week. The one thing in general, because, again, he's one of 11, and I know there's a lot of spotlight on the quarterback spot. I understand that. But the reality is the other 10 guys, regardless of what personnel we're bringing out there, they have the same responsibility and accountability as he will. That's to do their job. And so in order for Desmond to do his job, right when that ball snapped, he, just like when they count on him, he'll count on them to do their job. So this is not, well, we'll see if he can do this or do that. This is a collective team effort, and that's just not the players. That's the coaches. And making sure that we're obviously there to make the correct adjustments and to paint the picture that he's seeing so that we can help him identify issues. And that goes for the other guys in the offense. So, again, there's decisions, there's substitutions, there's guys that come in and out of the lineup for whatever reason through an NFL season. Not the first time that's been at the quarterback spot for me, regardless of why. And so the reality is New Orleans is the opponent on Sunday. Desmond, just like the other guys in offense, are preparing to play against a very good opponent in a very hostile environment, regardless of if it's his first or whatever start it is for him. And so that has been the mindset is that it does take everybody. It's not just one guy. And so we'll move forward with that thinking. Gosh, you hated that answer because you put your phone down. Mission accomplished. There's women on social media. The meme, the meme, what is it? I'm too old for all that meme coming of me because of that. We'll go. We'll move on. No, you have to go wear a face for it to be a man. Or just my face here in general. Thanks. I appreciate that. All right. What else we got? What has it looked in practice for as you all getting ready? Yeah, so we had Wednesday's practice, right? So typically like most NFL's, right? Teams, it's first, second down with some other things added in. You know, the expectation has been exactly what it's been when he was the scout team quarterback and getting reps during the regular season when he was number two. There's a certain way that we operate. I'm sure he's said those things when he's been asked a question. There's a certain level expectation and standard regardless of years of experience. If you're a Falcon, regardless of how you got here or what your position is in terms of the depth chart, you're expected to act in practice a certain way. That was no different than yesterday. So Desmond stepped in, right? Went about his reeds. And just like the rest of the guys on offense, they're digesting the game plan. Even though it's a division opponent, right? There's still wrinkles that they've obviously evolved to since the first time we played them. And so for everybody out there, right? It's digesting, understanding, accepting the fact that we have to go and play in an environment that we're going to play in and do the best of our ability. And that goes for the coaches as well. Arthur said it was hopeful that the offense would be more balanced. This move would help the offense be more balanced. Why do you think that Desmond gives you that opportunity? That's a good question. It's just not fair for me to answer in the context, right? He could be referring to a lot of things in that. For me, with Desmond going forward with the rest of the offense, we are constantly looking for each week, right? Our chance to score points and to move the football. And so if that's in a certain personnel group or a certain tempo or a certain pass or run concepts, we're trying to obviously attack what we think is the weakness of the defense. Unfortunately for us, New Orleans doesn't have many weaknesses on defense. But for us, moving forward, right? We're doing that weekly, regardless of who's in there or how we're going about it. Now, how games play out, right? I think those are the adjustments within the game. And so things that we might think on Wednesday are great. Well, all of a sudden, they're not showing that. And so we have to go to our counterpunch. And that's what the NFL game is. That's why the games, there's so many games, right? They come down to the fourth quarter. It's constant adjustment within the game plan. You may think you know what you're getting right when that game starts, but they may be seeing you completely different than you see yourself. And they're running something completely different. So, right? All good staffs pride themselves on being able to make in-game adjustments, not just at halftime, right? Between series or while the series is going on. And I think that more importantly, regardless of who's playing at what position, right, is really our challenge and our task to finish this season on where we want to go with this. So it's no different than any other week that we've participated in. It's just obviously we're off a bye week. We get to reevaluate some things as we move forward. And then obviously it's our chance to go out here to play a great opponent, a division opponent, a rivalry opponent at their place. And we're looking forward to it. Independent of personnel, how important is it in terms of balance that both sides are working when you marry them together? Does that make sense? Because if you can't throw the ball, whatever you want to do with the run game, I imagine it becomes that much harder. Yeah, I mean, I've been on both sides of it, right? I've been in places offensively where, you know, you've thrown it a lot and you have higher pass numbers and you've finished whatever in passing and you haven't had the same rush attempts so your rush numbers are down. You look at a flipside where your rush attempts are way up and your pass attempts are way down. I think what I do know in my time in this league is that every good offense holds their hat on something. And they typically have tendencies because what they do well, they continue to do and they basically say, we do something better than you're going to be able to stop it. So when you sit there and you look at, each season presents new, not just issues, but it presents new challenges for the coaches of how we're going to get the most of our players. And then as the games play out, right, sometimes that game calls for you to drop back more. Sometimes it asks for the quarterback to hand the ball off more. And for us, right, the way that we build this thing and the intent in which we play and how games play out, the balance thing to me is about, I've always termed it this way. I never look at 50-50. I look at when we line up, are we presenting pre-snap and then post-snap issues to the defense? Because if you're presenting that, then you're really keeping them off balance. And that's more of how I look at the balance question throughout the years with this. Is, yeah, you can come back and you can look and you can self-scout yourself and say, on 1st and 10th, we're this. And the reality is, are you giving enough to the defense where they can't just pin their ears back because initially they know what they're getting? You may run the same play, but you might give a different presentation. And I think that's ultimately the goal, is to make sure the defense doesn't have a pre-snap advantage. Where am I at with that? D-Lads right now wanting to leave the fake off. I love it. Do you think... You guys have had a pre-snap advantage this year? Well, I think our intent, right? That's why, personnel-wise, that's why what we try to do with our motions and our shifts and things of that nature is not just to say, hey, we do these things. They're done with a purpose and with obviously an intent. So, yes. Every one of those plays we put on the call sheet, we think gives us an advantage. Now, that being said, they obviously have time to spend and they do certain wrinkles and they have change-ups and things of that nature. Is every play successful? Well, yeah. I was told this by an old head coach that I worked under. Every play that you draw up should score a touchdown and every play the defense draws up, they should be able to stop it, right? Just the numbers game of it all. The reality is, right, it's execution. So, fundamentals. You guys, for two years now, those don't change. When you're fundamentally sound, your eyes are in the right place and you play with confidence and intent, usually good things happen. When you're unsure, you kind of go out on your own, you don't rely on your fundamentals and your eyes are all over the place, I don't care what position you're playing. You're going to have issues. And so, that's the constant preaching to the players, right? Is that it all comes back to the simple things that you were taught right when you put that helmet on as a child. Fundamentals matter. But you don't have to think matters, right? Being a professional, watching the other team and what their tendencies are and how they're going to play you or how you anticipate they're going to play you, matters, right? So, those are all the things that we kind of impress upon the players, no different than ourselves as coaches. Given their safeties and, you know, their reputation for their instincts, how can you stay ahead of, you know, the way Matthew Tyrone plays and, you know, you're not going to fool them, I guess. We're not tricking them. Yeah, I think this is where I give what they've done defensively over the years so much credit. A lot goes to Dennis Allen, who I know is the head coach, but, you know, what he's been able to do blueprint-wise for that defense. I have, and I've said this before, there's a lot of guys in this league I have a lot of respect for, because you can just see the way their players play. When you put the film on, each one of those players, and some of those names have changed over the years, right? You guys have covered this a long time. But when you see the way they play and the physicality, but more importantly, how they all communicate and they're all necessarily, they're all in the same string, right? When they're hiding rotations, or they're bringing cover zero like they did against Pittsburgh, and they're trying to show something, like they make it look like other things, right? So Pre-Snap to the quarterback, he's now has a little bit of doubt, am I getting this, am I getting that? And it goes back to it's all 11. He does a tremendous job of taking the air out of the coverage on all their coverages, not just man, but zone. But the way they tie all those guys together, there's a reason why New Orleans plays really good defense, right? It's not just one guy making a play and changing the whole thing. All 11 have a chance to make a play. Obviously, it starts with 56, he's such a tremendous player. 94, it goes down the line when Marshawn's playing, he's healthy. I mean, there's guys at Marcus May, you go down the line and just tremendous football players attack, not just in the pass game. Like what I respect so much about how they play defense is how they play the run, right? It's not just where it's going to run to the quarterback and if a ball carrier runs into us, we'll get them known. I mean, they go after with, they're going to stop the run, they're going to put you in a disadvantage on second down. So then they get the right to rush the pass around third down. And you can see it. It's when you put the film on, there's no secrets. They play with the level of confidence that makes them really good. A little bit with Testament. Oh, there are some things that you maybe try to take off of his play that maybe Marcus was doing in terms of pre-snap, a play call, because you have guys like Jake who've been there for a while, or Winston even. That is a good question. And I think the best way to answer it is we've tried to prepare Desmond in a way that he was one snap away at all times and as the backup quarterback you are. So in no way did we sit there and say, Desmond has to play in week three or four because something happened to Marcus. Okay, let's just do this because we haven't prepared him that way. When we drafted him, the intent was to make sure that he was capable of running the offense in a way that if something happened to the guy ahead of him, if he wasn't the starter, that he would be able to go in there. And the other 10 guys wouldn't necessarily have to okay, let's back off. Now, another question to be asked is there are certain things that Desmond right within the system maybe does that highlights him in a certain way compared to others? Sure, that's every position though. No different than Drake London being at six-five, runs his rouse different than OZ just because of how their bodies are. No different than how Desmond might see a concept different than any other quarterback that I've coached in a similar concept. The one thing I have really about quarterbacks is they're not all the same. Right, so some guy might look at a concept or a coverage and say, man, I see it this way, Rags. Great. The other guy was like, hey, man, I don't like that. It's black and white to me. I'm going like this. It's half the field and I'm going to roll this way. Gotcha. Because when you start forcing things on guys and you start trying to make them see things that aren't there, then all of a sudden they get tunnel vision. And this position is about instincts. It's about vision. It's about trust. So those all play into it. And again, as we move forward here, there's all those things that we'll obviously try to highlight, get comfortable with. But in terms of the offense, right, the other 10 guys who are on that field with him have been preying in a certain way, no different than he has. So we'll do business as usual in terms of how we move forward with it. There's been lots of talk about his improvement from a mental perspective. In what ways does that manifest? Like in what ways can you see signs that he's getting better? Yeah, I think that's the transition for every young player that comes into the NFL, regardless of position. Nothing against what they came from, but every language is different. If I dropped you off to my wife's country, which is Estonia, do you know where that's at? Do you have any idea? Yeah, Eastern block. Sure, okay. Alright, I won't say any. But yes, that language is something I'm like, my goodness, when you hear it, no different than NFL languages, right? So you get a situation where you go from college and you come to the NFL, regardless if you ran that concept or not, we're probably going to call it something different. So the maturation process for any young player is simple. They get here, they have to digest the playbook, because more than likely you're going to be in a huddle. Most college teams don't subscribe to a huddle, which is their own prerogative. But for us, right, we do some things in the huddle. What you want to see is the player's ability to not just to understand, but to ask the right questions. And then you know, okay, we're on the right track here. Right, he's asking the right questions. Okay, not only that, he's giving you the answers that you're looking for when you're asking questions. And it's not just a quarterback spot. Right, we try to make sure that all our guys that were constantly asking questions, and more importantly, we're asking them the why's. Like, why are we doing this? Like, just as it wrote memorization, is that why we're telling you to do this? Because like anything in life, right, if you know the why, then you can probably figure out some things on your own if it's just not picture perfect when it happens. So that's been more the process and that comes with the maturity of it all. Being here, spending time in OTA, spending time in training camp, going through a regular season. I understand how on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday works at the quarterback spot. Right, when can you all of a sudden stop just turning the brain on and turn it off a little bit to decompress? Right, all those things matter. And I think that's been the build-up process for him so far. And the environment he's walking into this Sunday. Yeah, I think it's, like I said before, I mean, we obviously know the challenge. Regardless if it was Desmond or there's other quarterbacks, and New Orleans has done a great job regardless of your experience at quarterback. They've done a good job of taking away things that teams do well. It does take all 11. You're going to beat New Orleans on defense. It's not one person. They play so well together. It's going to take all 11 guys being on the same page communicating in a loud environment and making sure that we come off with confidence and intent that we're going to execute at a high level. And we have to understand there's going to be adversity in every game regardless of who you have out there and how you respond to it, staying together, staying positive and moving forward. And I think that ultimately is going to be the best thing for us regardless of who's out there or who's not out there. It's the same approach. I'm curious to get your observations on just the reaction to the team, the way that they responded to this change. And if you even expect them to respond in a certain way to a quarterback change, they should continue. I understand the question. It wouldn't be fair for me to answer that. The way I look at it, for me, from my perspective, my lens is probably the easiest way I can give you that. For me, it's, obviously, we're going to coach the guys who are here. Desmond's the next guy. We just brought Logan in excited to work with him. And we have the ability now, right? We're going to go out there with other guys that are going to play with those guys. And for us, at the end of the day, it's about making sure that those guys do their job at the highest level and that we put them in position regardless of who's out there. When you do evaluate, do the self-evaluation, what did you see that maybe you either confirmed what you thought or you're like... Some calls I thought were better than what they actually were and there were some other calls I thought weren't as bad as I thought they were. So that's what I saw. In that evaluation process, this might be a little convoluted, but do you separate the points that the team is giving up, which has been low the last couple weeks versus the ability to get off the field in certain situations? I know that was something that I think Arthur alluded to in the game against Pittsburgh, just hoping that the defense can get off the field sooner. How do you kind of balance the results of the teams are getting... The team is getting... Those calls are things you evaluate... Actually, you evaluate your calls first and second down and you evaluate your third down calls. And part of the third down thing is if there's a lot of third down on ones, that's not good for first and second. That means that first, second down calls weren't as good because you want to get them in third and long and you want to get off the field on third down. But if you're in third and one a lot, that percentage is not going to be good. I mean, just look around the league. Third and one, most people convert them. And so if you're in a lot of those... See, it's not so much evaluating what you ran on third and one. It's what you ran before that that allowed them to get to third and one. So that's what you kind of do. You evaluate third downs. So, you know, you break it down into third and short, third and medium, third and long. How did you do? How do you do compared to the rest of the league? And look at your calls. And if it's a section where it's not very good, well, why is it a certain call? Is it a certain coverage? Is there something there that's a telltale? Or is it everything? You even look at people. You know, the same guys show up all the time. You look at all those kinds of things. It's a lot of things. But everybody kind of thinks, well, third down, third and one, most teams are going to convert third and one. So it's like we did a... I wanted to find out just for curiosity, like a week or so ago, I had one of the coaches look up like a quarterback sneak. There were 106 quarterback sneaks. 100 of them were successful. So I don't care what you call. I'm talking about around the league. I mean, so it's not, you know, because they can get behind the quarterback and shove him. You know, you couldn't do that 20 years ago. Now you can do it. Well, you got some big offensive alignment or defensive alignment in the backfield pushing the guy forward, breaking his back, but he gets the first down. So it's like, am I going to evaluate what we're doing against quarterback sneak? I mean, really? So everybody around the league is bad. But so the point was is that you can't let it get to third and one. You got to keep them in third and, you know, medium to long, because the longer the yardage is, the higher its success rate is, and that's how you get off the field. So it's not the third down, per se. It's in some things it's first and second down. So you evaluate everything. It's hard to explain it, but you're evaluating, trying everything. As a play caller, I want to evaluate the call. There's some calls that I've always liked that aren't playing real well right now. I take that into consideration. There's some other things I thought that probably weren't as good as they actually turned out to be. Or something maybe very good against the run, but very poor against the pass, all right? So now I got to make a determination, you know, if the offense would let me know when they're going to throw it and when they're going to run it, that would help me out. But I don't know that, so I got to look at the situation and say, you know, do I want to run this call? Do I not want to run this call? There's just a lot that goes into it when you try to self-evaluate. Yeah, sure. That's what part of it is, is that when you evaluate, if you're, you know, if it's a scheme thing, you write it down, it's a scheme thing, we didn't do a very good job of this is not a good scheme. They got us, and so how do we fix that scheme? If it's a personnel thing, if it's a man coverage thing and the same guy keeps getting beat in man coverage all the time, either he's still the best that you have and we can't play man coverage, or we've got to find somebody else to play that spot and play man coverage. I'm just using that as an example. So it's just, you evaluate all those things. If the same, do it at the end of the year. If the same guy keeps showing up as a culprit and as a problem, it's the same thing as if the same call keeps showing up, or then the call is something wrong with the call, we're not teaching a writer, we're not teaching a writer. If the same guy shows up and everybody else's 10 guys are playing it right and it really doesn't seem to be the call, it always affects one person, then it's the person, then it becomes a personnel thing. So, and like I told you, I told you a long time ago, not everybody can play every coverage, not everybody's going to be good at every coverage. There's certain guys that can play man better than they can play his own, some guys that can play his own better than man. Some guys can play the run better than the pass. You take all those things into consideration and sometimes what you might think is not a good call or not a good play, I may not see it the same way, it may have been one guy making a mistake and that happens to be where it hit and so it doesn't make, it certainly makes the call bad and then there's other times, it's the call. It could be a lot of things. It's a big process to do that. You do it at the end of the year, you do it during the bi-week, last week I did it during the bi-week. How long does that actually take you to do? Days. That's a lot of plays, 900 in some plays. I'm evaluating every play. So it's 900 in some plays, you figure it out. It takes a lot. Bi-week's not really a bi-week. I guess what I would say is do you do it differently during a bi-week because of the short time frame versus after the season when theoretically you have... No, it takes the same amount of time, if you're talking about 1200 plays instead of 900 plays, but no, it takes the same amount of time because as soon as you get done with the season you have to start getting ready for the draft and all that stuff. So it's not like I can spend five weeks just doing that evaluation. Usually what the thing is is that during a bi-week I'm not going to ask the other coaches to do it because it's a bi-week. They deserve to have a little time and so I do it by myself and during after the season we all kind of do it together. You kind of delegate, you look at this, you look at this, you look at this. So it actually takes probably less time because everybody evaluates different things. I don't want to do that during a bi-week. I don't think that's fair to ask the coaches to do that. At any point this week last week will you go to Desmond and say if I was playing you in your first start I would do this. So watch out for it. You stay out, you stay. The last thing he needs is somebody else in his ear telling him what he ought to be doing. You get 800,000 people telling him that in the media and on all social media what he ought to be doing. So the last thing he needs, those guys on the other side of the ball that's it. I've got nothing. I've got my own problems. Is there anything like if you see a rookie quarterback first game, you're going up against guys first time I don't know how many times it's happening in your career. Is there something you think to yourself I'm always going to do this. I'm going to test a rookie here. I'm always doing this no matter what. Can't really say that. It depends on the defense. It depends on my guys. It's not only based on the new rookie quarterback it's also based on can my guys do well if you can't blitz are you actually providing an advantage to him if you're not a good blitz team. So now you know everybody's oh yeah you ought to blitz this guy. You guys are a rookie quarterback. You guys can do that stuff. Well if you can't blitz with a crap why would you want to do that? So there's so many things to take into account. The best thing to do is what do you do? You know if you're on defense what do you do? You know wherever I've been it's more about us than it is about them. They're certainly a consideration but you know it's just the other thing is when you're playing a guy that you haven't played before sometimes it's harder it's sometimes harder in a game when you've evaluated a guy all week in a quarterback that you watched and that's who you're playing is in Atlanta and I was at New England and we got ready for Michael Vick all week all week. I mean you know what that's like now I mean you got to have both edges coming and you know you can't let this guy out of the pocket and I don't remember whether it was Matt or it was Shob or somebody else come in it's like it could not be more different than the guy we just got ready for and we look like crap and so it's like he's a drop-back guy and we've been doing roll-outs and boots and waggles and all this stuff all week and evaluating and now for some reason Michael couldn't play and he plays or maybe got it rolling I can't remember but we look like crap playing against the other guy and everybody would probably be playing against the backup we didn't practice against the backup so if you have never seen a guy on film what is his tendencies I don't know better do what we do what kind of the Saints offense changed or evolved with Andy Gaughton back there now that you're not facing it's the same, it's the same with Winston, it's the same offense they're doing the same stuff they haven't taken 41 out of there so and then they got Hill, I mean Hill's averaging 6.8 yards of carry as a running back with 400 in some yard so I mean that's a what they were doing that before with him they did it in 18 or as a tennis team we played him in 19 one of the two and they were doing the same thing the difference was Breeze was the quarterback they're doing the same stuff what is he brought physical, he's a physical player he plays downhill tries to really play like a linebacker like you want him to play you know he has a physical presence and that's what you want a linebacker to be because it kind of just that's what you want your defense to be he's that kind of guy and he's into it, he loves football very attentive, he's all those things so he's been a great addition for the defense the I guess if you're saying physical as a tone setter, I mean I don't know I'm asking that's why I'm asking you I don't know what tone setter means, really you hope that you have 11 guys that are tone setters so he's a good leader, he's a good linebacker that's what he is week one was week one that was a long time ago so if you remember right we contained him pretty good until the last two minutes so it wasn't like they ran wild on us we made a couple of mistakes at the end and hopefully we've learned from those mistakes