 What do you think about New Zealand? Yeah, what do you I'm I'm kind of familiar with objectivism, so I Understand the whole hierarchy of I mean, I know they're one of the freest Countries politically now, but I'm kind of interested in your what accent do you have South African South Africa Okay, I can tell you what I think about South Africa. I don't want to hear about that. I love New Zealand I mean I've been to New Zealand New Zealand has to be one of those beautiful places on the planet You know, I did a five-day driving trip through the South Island of New Zealand and it's beautiful They also have one of the freest economies in the world. I think the number three right now so yeah, New Zealand has a lot going for it. It's not it's far from perfect and You know again, I don't think there's any place in the world that's anywhere near perfection in terms of real Freedom New Zealand is as good as it gets in the world in which we live today. It's far From what good should and could look like Do you have any comments about the longevity of that good considering their morality? Do you have any? Yeah? No, I don't think it'll survive So goodness doesn't survive for very long in this world because it always come under attack From the morality. So what happens typically is a country does well Typically it did well in the 19th century early 20th century then people get pretty rich So then they say oh well, we should really redistribute all the wealth because that's what feels good, right? We feel guilty. There's inequality right at the poor got richer, but the rich got richer fast though Well, some of the poor got richer faster than other the poor. So there's a gap So now we have to redistribute wealth so they adopt socialism they go bankrupt and then it's okay We should we deregulate the economy and bring back capitalism a little bit and they do that and they get richer again And then if you're guilty again, and they redistribute wealth and and they go towards socialism And then it you know you so you get this pendulum, right? And you see that everywhere in the world and Because nobody's challenging the premise nobody's challenging the the altruistic premise behind it all which is that Equality is a good thing quality of outcome or that The purpose of life is to sacrifice and to feel guilty when you succeed in all of that as long as you don't challenge that premise You're gonna have this back and forth freedom less freedom more freedom and you're seeing it You know you see it in Georgia you went through a period where you freed up the economy things were going well And they said yeah, but that's a little too free and it feels uncomfortable these these rich guys They're getting away with too much So let's regulate them a little bit and and the economy will suffice you regulate them one more and more and then you'll wake up one day And say oh this is bad the economy is not growing again So we need to stimulate the economy so we reduce regulation and lower taxes, you know get better And then you'll feel guilty again it'll go about I mean all countries behave this way and it's because of this morality Which constantly is battling with practicality the morality doesn't work So then you do something practical it's immoral But don't tell anybody again according to the prevalent views and things get better But then the morality kicks in and things get bad So it's it's everywhere you see it in the United States. You see it in Sweden. You see it everywhere my question is about that Western society and our Society generally is based on Christian religion, right? So our values are based on this me as an atheist I raised in family of priests So my moral values are very strongly connected with Christianity. Yeah, so how we have to change is morality What's the way to make it? So let me first disagree with you in this sense. I think I think that Western civilization is Not Christian It's not judo Christian Western civilization and the positive aspects of it is Greek It's a statillion It comes out of Greek philosophy Greek mythology the Greek view of life. I would actually say that Christianity I don't I you know, maybe maybe that I'll never be invited back to Georgia, but Christianity's anti-western because it's anti-greek and it's anti-enlightenment If you think about what makes the West the West it wasn't the Christian era that was Horrible, it was the dark ages. It was really really really bad What makes Western civilization Western civilization starts with the Renaissance Renaissance is a Renaissance of what of? Ancient Greece like Michelangelo. Where does he get the idea of making a David, right? It's a biblical story, but a David like that. Where does he get it from? He sees Greek sculptures and he's trying to elevate man to the way Greeks viewed him and if you see the progression from the Renaissance through the enlightenment the enlightenment is an era of secularization of respect for two things the respect for reason and individualism It's a putting religion to your private realm But in every other respect and politics and science and every respect religion is not relevant You're dedicated to facts and reason and reality So what the essence of Western civilization is Greek its reason individualism those are the fundamental concepts and the West succeeds to the extent that it rejects religion and Elevates reason and individualism So I would argue that what the problem has been in the West That when during the enlightenment when we put Christianity aside The one element of Christianity that we embraced and did not give up is morality we adopted the Christian moral code and I think that's what drives us towards socialism constantly I mean the meek shall inherit the earth That's not capitalism In capitalism the meek don't inherit the earth the entrepreneurs in the earth The idea of Jesus sacrificing on a cross since he didn't commit Is the ultimate sacrifice? That drives us towards socialism until we are willing to reject Christian morality and adopt a new morality based on reality and reason based on facts and evidence We will not escape the socialist draft. We will not escape this collective So and that's why it's so hot because you know you're relatively Religious other countries are much more religious even than you are American And they hold on to that moral code. They don't they don't care about religion and anything else except for well But that's where they actually That's where they have to give up That's the only way to do this Thanks Thank you very much for your interest in It is on yeah, so I know I was just wondering because of one of our students asked the question about the ethics and morality of Christianity and there is there was a quite smart guy named Max Weber. Yeah, which wrote that actually the Protestant ethic is the basic for the capitalism and that of course would not exclude the Christian morality from the Vitalistic, yeah world and my question would be then so you Really think that this smart guy was wrong or what what is your idea when you I think a lot of smart guys are wrong Yeah, Karl Marx was smart and he was wrong. Yeah, yes. I think Max Weber was wrong Yeah, because I think he identified he identified the success of Western civilization civilization Wrongly he saw it as happening in northern Europe and that it didn't happen in southern Europe and Northern Europe was Protestants and southern Europe was not and he and and and there's certain things about Protestantism it focuses on the visual relationship with God rather than a collective and an authoritarian view through through a pope That he identified with the success of the West. I think all of that is wrong I think the sensual success and the reason it happens in northern Europe is is is Because that's where the enlightenment happens. So the enlightenment is what leads to the success So the Renaissance happens in southern Europe But it creeps north and then the enlightenment happens in the north it happens in Paris and happens in Scotland If you think of the great thinkers of the 18th cent of the 17th century. No 18th century 17th and 18th Really is Amsterdam Paris London and Scotland and it's that enlightenment those ideas that idea of reason as efficacious Which generate the activity? Where was the Protestant ethic in the 18th century or in the 16th century the Protestants the 16th century They were slaughtering Catholics when they were not being slaughtered by Catholics Something happened in the in the in the 1700s. That's completely different that has nothing to do with religion It has everything to do with identification of the efficaciousness of reason and With the identification of individual rights It's Newton and it's John Locke and all the way through to out of Smith and and David Hume and Voltaire and monoskew and and the encyclopedians who are most the atheists In France that is the era that makes all the difference and for whatever reason Probably because he wanted to save religion Webber can't see that or doesn't want to see it. Yeah, but his idea was the different one His idea was actually that if you are successful and if you are getting rich Yeah, then you serve better the God So if this thesis was right Then so it would not exclude the murals so so if you get rich you serve God better That's why rich people nobody feels guilty none of them feel guilty because they all feel like the serving God better They all feel guilty. They all feel guilty. Why because nobody believes that Because it's not it's not consistent with the New Testament. The New Testament says you you know what really Serves God is washing the poor person's feet. It's Sacrificing it's giving up your wealth. It's it's hard if a camera go through the avenue Than a rich man again into heaven now. I know other people interpret that other ways, but that's what it says so wealth success is Not for the most part consistent with Most people's understanding of Christianity not mine. I don't know Christianity most people's that's why when rich people get successful They feel guilty about the success. That's why Bill Gates Nobody thinks all Bill Gates when he made Microsoft did God's work good for Bill Gates. We love Bill Gates for making Microsoft No, nobody thinks that we all think yeah, he made too much money increased inequality now He's a good guy because he's giving the charity That charity is what makes you good. I You know I once gave a talk at in South Carolina very Christian Protestant Conservative supposedly free marketplace South Carolina, and it was a luncheon to for Lifetime achievement awards for businessmen. So like three businessmen were being celebrated for their lifetime achievement awards Stay read long biographies write the story of their life and what they did and their achievements and saw So they read these achievements and the first minute and a half Was about their business and then nine ten eleven twelve minutes They spent on charity and community service and they handed out their words, and then I spoke and I got up And I said you should be ashamed of yourself Your charity community service is not what makes you deserving a lifetime achievement award your charity community service Is not that important your charity community service didn't change the world what changed the world is your business But it's exactly because they're religious that they can't admit that and they can't be proud of it. I Said America from 1776 to 1914 went from being a third-rate colony that nobody really cared about That's why the British didn't really fight to the richest country in the world not because of charity and community service Why did America become so rich because of whom because of whom? Who made America rich politicians? generals Generals make you poor Politicians can only take stuff. They don't produce anything who makes you rich businessmen Business is what made America rich. What do we call those businessmen today? No, what do we call the businessmen from the 19th century who made America rich robber barons? Because we hate them because we're conditioned to hate wealth creators. We're conditioned to resent business success and that's That's not economics and that's not history. That's something else driving that conditioning and I think it's our morality. Oh We better yeah First of all, thank you for your lecture. I have some issues though. So first of all, I used to call myself Anarcho-capitalist, but now I'm calling myself free market anarchist So why neither I'm not an anarchist. I know I think anarchists are totalitarians in the end So yeah, so I do not think yes, so and I think that the anor and was wrong about anarchy, but anyway What I'm going to say now First issue I have is term capitalism itself So there is a one economist still Horowitz, maybe know him who said that the term itself was created by a socialist and implies that Capitalistic system the capitalism in general helps capitalists which is completely wrong because Capitalistic system is not helping capitalists capitalists or Businessmen sort of producers. It's helping consumers. So there is the consumer who is benefiting the most from this system which is free market in general and so from that regard this time is wrong and There is another guy who is Roderick long Roderick long Who said such a thing? It's short. So I'm going to read I think the word capital is if used in the meaning are most people give it is a package deal term by capital is most people mean neither the free markets simplistic nor the Prevailing no market realistic system simply stir rather what most people mean by capitalism is that free market system That currently prevails in the Western world In short the term Capitalism is generally used can seals an assumption that the prevailing system is a free market and Since the prevailing system is in fact one of the government Favoritism toward business the ordinary use of the term carries with the assumption that the free market is Government favoritism toward business. It's colonialism. So can I write the question? But most people when they say capital in capital is they mean exactly chronic capitalism or cronyism or what answer the question? Just a few more things and I'm done. So What I wanted to say about the bill gates now, yes consumers in general May also benefit from free market, but they do not like very much competition John the Rockefeller even said the competition is a scene so what I want to What I want to say that even bill gates benefited from Corporate system which are we libertarians do not consider as a Rightful private property system. Okay. So and that the monopoly was implemented by the government Yeah, because intellectual property rights. So you libertarians are wrong and Stephen Horowitz and along a long Most people don't know the definition of anything If you ask most people about almost any concept, they will get the definition wrong This is why educators have to educate about what words actually mean and what they should mean Bill Gates did not make money off of corporatism He made money off of a free market and a free market cannot exist unless we protect property rights and intellectual property rights Are the most important of all property rights and must be protected? If Rockefeller indeed said competition is a bad thing. Absolutely every businessman who is worth his soul Is trying to establish a monopoly? That's great By the help of government no without the help of government Rockefeller did not use help of government enough to establish his His so-called monopoly, but the fact is that the market won't let them establish a monopoly It's by the fact that they try but yes Apple has a monopoly. What's Apple's monopoly? What's Apple's monopoly? It's a put aside that the stupidity of not believing intellectual property is property That's just silly and it's incredibly destructive. What is Apple's? What is Apple's monopoly? It's Apple There is no other company that has the reputational capital the reputational monopoly that Apple does I can't call my company Apple and gain that reputation. I buy Apple products because Apple makes them and I consider Samsung products for like five minutes and I always go to Apple because I know Apple and that's and yeah That's great. That's wonderful. That's extraordinary. So I You know, so let's go back to the word capitalism Capital is it comes from Latin and it means of the mind I can't think of a more beautiful term to describe what free markets are They are fundamentally people's use of the mind to produce stuff and the idea a Placing consumers first is Keynesian not free market The free market is driven not by consumers. It's driven by producers. This goes to say's law Supply creates its own demand. It is producers first and Then consumers sure they benefit from the production, but they benefit more or less How does anybody know but there is no consumption? With our production, how many of you knew well you guys are too young Let me tell you what I I didn't know I wanted one of these I didn't need one of these until Steve Jobs taught me that I needed it I didn't want a cell phone. I indeed rejected cell phones for a long time. I refuse to use cell phones But the industry taught me that it was an incredible value. It is production first You don't get consumption until you get production 250 years ago we didn't consume because nobody produced we ate what we grew that was it So capitalism is primarily about production indeed I think economics that science of economics is the science of Production and trade not consumption consumption is easy go down mall anybody can do it Producing is hard Producing takes effort producing is an achievement So we should venerate businessmen. They are the true heroes not consumers There's nothing heroic about consumption, but there's something truly heroic about producing something new Something valuable to human beings creating something that didn't exist before That is valuable and that's a product of the mind the proper of capital Capitalism does not now people get capitalism wrong. That's why I started the talk by saying what by defining what it meant But that would be true of any field that I went to any area that you go into You have to first define what you mean because most people don't know Most people are not experts. They don't think about it It's a great term. I love capitalism Questions and there was one in the middle here. Okay. Yep. Thank you You started from the definitions and I was just wondering how you would define equality of opportunities Because is it important? I mean, I guess socialists would define is equality of outcome And I also know that you said that equal is unfair. Yes, and I've got a book called equalism fear Buy it. It's good. Can you expand on that a little bit? Yes, I don't believe in equality of opportunities I think it's the same as equality of outcome equality Opportunity is just another outcome. The fact is we don't go to all to the same schools We don't all have the same parents. We're never gonna have the same opportunities anytime. You have a concept where Where you can never achieve it There's something wrong with it So I don't believe in equality of opportunities. I don't believe in anything that to achieve it You have to sacrifice some people for the sake of others. So how do we make all of us schooling the same? So that everybody gets equality of opportunities. Well, you have to hurt the people who get good schooling Because it's impossible to raise everybody So I don't believe in it what I believe is only one type of equality that makes any sense And that is equality of liberty equality of rights Equality of freedom equality before the law So we're all born with a right to life liberty property in the pursuit of happiness We're all born free You cannot the government cannot discriminate against you based on your sex or your race or your ethnicity or your religion or any Feature like that. We're all treated the same by the government So the only sense in which equality means anything the sense in which in the Declaration of Independence of America when Jefferson writes All men are created equal. What he means is they all equal in their rights in their freedoms We'll all have the right to be free of coercion We all have the right to be free and act free from Authority coercion force That's the only sense in which equality means anything. I I've worked hard. I worked really really hard to make some money so I could give Really good opportunities to my kids If you believed in equality of opportunities, you would suppress my kids opportunity because some other parent didn't Work hard to give their kids an opportunity. That's wrong anytime you suppress it's wrong So equality of rights equality of freedom. That's the oh equality before the law is another way to express it Is the only proper way to talk about equality politically? Yeah It's me Okay, first of all, thank you for your lecture and second of all I wanted Your opinion about the golden age of America when the country was right right age of America When the country was run by Rockfeller JP Morgan and Andrew Carnegie. Yeah, I want all my viewers It was a wonderful beautiful era. I don't think the country was run by them. I mean business. They dominated the business world, but You know that is an error in which In spite of the fact that they had a huge market share prices went down every single year quality went up every single year Productivity labor productivity went through the roof Wages went up standard of livings went up everything we take for granted in the world today was created by People during that era who created the industry the infrastructure All the material wealth that we have today is based on on things that these people did they were not robber barons They were the great benefactors of mankind They're the same as the Bill Gates is of today in a sense of they made the world a better place to live in dramatic fashion, there's a wonderful little book called the myth of the robber barons by Folsom who is a who is a famous economist and I recommended highly and you know most Historians teach that they were bad guys who exploited the system and used government to get ahead It's just not true. I strongly recommend reading the myth of the robber barons Yeah, way in the back Do you have a mic? So you mentioned secularism. Yeah, and maybe that's what we need and not change in the morality I mean not in meaning of church and state but Separation of personal morality and morality of the system. Yeah, for example, I may consider capital use as a moral system However, I may like Sacrificing personal life when somebody I may consider it virtual. Yeah, I don't Why do we have to get to religion but I Don't consider that possible I Think we have to have a moral code that applies to everything in life and You know to have a dual moral code to say I Behaved this way to my family and friends and I know I mean I don't sacrifice my kids. I Love my kids So what I do for them I do because I love them because they were high value So I Think we need a new moral code and I think by definition a moral code means it's applies to everything that we do And I think rational self-interest is a moral code that can and should Apply to everything that we do. I mean I so my view in life is I want to make my life the best life that it Can be I want to I want to die knowing that I tried my best to make my life the best I want to die happy. I want to live happy, right? I want to make the most of my life I only get one shot right if you believe You know if you're a Buddhist and you think you're gonna be reincarnated as another human being then you know You have enough of tries to do this But I worry about being carnated as a cockroach. So I've got I view it as one shot, right? I've got one life and that's it. I Want to make the most of it. I want to make the most of it in my business life I want to make the most of it in my personal life I want to make the most of it in every aspect of my life There's absolutely no reason Quar morality that I should say oh no in this part of my life. I'm gonna be miserable Or I'm gonna sacrifice or I'm gonna be self-less Now that doesn't mean it means you have good healthy relationships with other people That's what being rationally self-interest means. It means you have trading relationship with other people. I mean I don't do Lose when related stuff with my wife Because lose when in an intimate relationship becomes lose lose and nobody wins Your relationship with your spouse should be win-win You should be doing stuff or you're both benefiting Okay, and if you're not it won't last and it won't be happy And the same with your kids and the same with the world you want to establish Maximize win-win relationships where your life is better and so is theirs That's true in business. That's true in personal life. I don't see why one would be different than the other Yeah What would you say about Scandinavian countries? We are the taxes are really high, but they are still developing wires So what do I think about Scandinavian countries? We get this every time, right? No, it's a good question What's the difference you think between Scandinavia and other countries they have slightly higher taxes slightly so in the United States Today the government spends close to 40% of GDP if you take federal state and local government total The government spends close to 40% of GDP in Sweden. It's like 42 So the difference is not that big So first we have to recognize that Sweden and Scandinavian countries are mixed economies just like the United States Some freedom and a lot of controls The only difference between Sweden and the US let's say and the US is by the way growing faster than Sweden and is richer than Sweden But if you took Sweden, you know where it would be in terms of GDP per capita Where it would be in the United States It would be like the 40th richest state Like the 30 the 40 states richer than Sweden in America, right if Sweden was a state But all Sweden does is it redistributes more But it actually and this is what people don't realize it regulates business less It's easier to start a business in Sweden than it is in the United States It's easier to run a bank in Sweden than it is in the United States America on the other hand regulates a lot and redistributes a little Relatively still redistributes a huge amount, right? So they're both mixed economies and they have a slightly different mixture but it's not like Sweden is socialist and America's capitalist no both are mixture Let me tell you one other thing about Sweden because the history is fascinating between 1870 and 1958 or so late 50s Sweden was the most capitalist country in Europe. It had the freest market It also had the largest industries 1870 by the way Sweden was the poorest country one of the poorest countries in Europe by 1960 it was the richest country in Europe on a per capita GDP It had the biggest companies eight like like six out of the biggest European companies were based in in Sweden So up until 1960 Sweden was this un-unbelievable success story and then they felt guilty and They adopted socialism and they said, you know, this isn't good There's too much inequality all the stuff you hear today and they started redistributing wealth So they accumulated a huge amount of wealth and they redistributed it and Sweden became poorer and poorer and poorer and poorer by 1979 What was the business that generated the most revenue in Sweden anybody know Abba, you've heard me talk give this talk, right? Abba Then I don't know if you know who Abba is right the singing group That was the biggest and the second biggest revenue generated Sweden in 1979 was Johan Borg the tennis player That's how successful Swedish economy was back then. It was a disaster in 1994 Sweden was bankrupt. You can look this up. They were like Greece is today They couldn't pay their debts and they started reforming their economy by doing what cutting government spending reducing handouts and reducing dramatically regulation and They became more capitalist and they're still doing that if you go today to Sweden You're seeing reduced regulations reduced taxes reduced redistribution They've done things like school vouchers, which in America you can't do They have moved more towards capitalism than America has in the last 30 years and therefore they're doing pretty well No way is cheating because they have oil and They lucked out by managing it well, right? The government's managed it fairly well but Denmark and Sweden and Finland are basically Semi-capitalist countries just like everywhere else You know and and and that's why they're so successful. It's not because of socialism It's in spite of redistribution. They've managed to stay wealthy because they don't regulate as much We are almost out of time. So let's just have one more question and then we all right last question who wants to do that Oh, we got you've already asked Yes My question so you mentioned that government cannot discriminate against people so yeah Race or color etc etc, which I totally agree. What do you think? Can people in their personal life Discriminate against against each other. Well, we do all the time, right? I mean, I just do the right to do this I discriminate against employees who don't do a good job Right. I mean we the whole point of life is to discriminate. It's the it's now the question is Should we be allowed by the states to discriminate based on race gender? Ethnic and all of that should you be allowed to have a shot a store? Your private property, it's yours and put a sign on the store. No Jews allowed and My answer is yes You should be a it's not an issue of allowed. It's you're not violating anybody's rights The state has no business in what you do in your shop As long as you're not committing fraud the government needs to stay out of it now Would I go to a store and I'm Jewish so I they wouldn't let me in but If they had a no blacks allowed when I go to a store like that never I would boycott them I would demonstrate outside. I would encourage everybody not to go there if I thought somebody was a racist I would discriminate against that person. I would actually have a sign outside my store. No racists allowed, right? So I think racism is horrible offensive stupid irrational and ultimately money losing Right, but it's only money losing if we You know manifest that if we you know boycott it It's our responsibility to do that. I think when we see rationality and stupidity at that level But the state government has no business dictating to us what is moral and was not What is discriminatory and was not I mean I discriminate who comes to my house? That's what private property means you get to discriminate you get to decide who comes into your store and who doesn't come into the store and people get to decide whether they want to use your Use you as a merchant or not That's a pretty depressing last question Anybody want to ask an uplifting question? Yeah, we've got an uplifting question here, and this will be the last one. I promise Sure, it's an uplifting with the microphone because we're filming What do you think about? Economic competition between China and the USA and which country is doing better? So what I think of economic competition with China in the USA I don't consider countries to have an economy and I don't consider that it be competition between countries China is doing well by selling stuff to me for cheap cool America does well by Producing and selling stuff elsewhere or by producing for internal consumption. There's no competition here in a in a negative Sense trade is good, but countries don't trade America doesn't buy Chinese good. I buy Chinese goods. I love Chinese goods when they're good, right? Otherwise, I don't buy them, right? I mean, where's this assembled right by the way, where's this made anybody know where this is made? No, it's not made in China. It's assembled in China. Where's it made? In the United States in California, is it made there? It's designed there. It's it's assembled in China Where do the pieces inside of it come from? About 40 different countries Now is that good? Yeah Because the entire supply chain is made up of win-win transactions where everybody from the work who is assembling it To the people who make the chips to everybody across the entire assembly line to the designers in Cupertino in California Every single person is better off for having done it Millions of people make this and It's it's a beautiful thing. I don't consider them competing. I Mean the essence of capitalism is not competition. The essence of capitalism is corporation The essence of capitalism is working together. By the way, one of the companies that makes Stuff inside this is Samsung the biggest competitive Apple for these and yet it makes the stuff inside So no, this is a beautiful product of corporation that happens to be assembled in China That I happen to buy from China who cares right? But it's me buying from some Chinese company. It's Apple buying from Foxcom It's not America buying from China. The whole idea of international trade is bogus Countries don't trade individuals trade corporations trade corporations. It's just individuals people trade and Why I care if my stuff is made in Arkansas or in California or in China or in South Korea or in Georgia? I don't care as long as it's good and the price is good that's what self-interest means so You know China I hope China becomes super duper rich Because that I mean that it becomes free and it means it's producing beautiful things and it means all our lives are better It's just like a business. I hope people in China become incredibly rich. I hope America becomes even richer But it's not it's not a zero-sum world China getting rich does not mean America gets poor China gets rich means America's getting rich That's one of things that Donald Trump never studied economics and the people around him. I think skip class Because they don't know economics. None of them I mean, I've never seen a group of more ignorant people than the people surround Donald Trump when it comes to economics. They are stupid In economics trade is win-win China's not doing anything at the expense of the United States except when it steals intellectual property and then you deal with that stealing You deal with that by boycotting those goods that are stolen property You don't import stolen property, but other than that trade is a win-win. We all benefit. Oh now I've really got them going Thank you very much. Thank you If you if you If you have any question, yeah, if you have any question, you can always just ask yeah, I'll be here the lecture. He'll We're not You know imprisoning him or taking him away. So Yeah, so thank you so much for this. I mean I I Think that a lot of us have learned a lot about What it's like to earn money and not feel guilty about it. So that's probably the most important thing because it's the It's something that is engraved in us so deeply that we have to feel bad about it. So Thank you. That was great good. Yeah, so we'll just quickly do this demo that I'm Was forced to do I'm not here By course Right Yeah, so I wanted to create a A birthday present for a car and to include all things that exist about him Like videos and interviews and articles and things that some of you have written Your memories about him and To just get one place where you can one-stop shop where you can get all your info About kaha been the kids them the one thing that I would like to say is that currently Because there is so much stuff. It exists in all the whichever language it Existed before And if we go here, so kaha lived 50s, I mean 56 years, but he had 56 He was born in 56 and he lived 58. There we go who remembers their parents birthday anyway so and he was the Educator and a reformer and a businessman and a scientist. So these are all four lives that he had managed to crumb in one life or one person and If you go on to I hope this works. You don't know Oh, this picture is taken actually in this room So yeah, there's all these articles and videos with him about him being a Cannot liberal educator so if we go back Leave there the one interesting feature that I like here is the timeline That we have Okay, well, it's a bit Okay, let's see so Yeah, so these are there are some baby pictures of Little kaha because I thought that it would be nice to see how a man has progressed throughout His life and how how could this adorable baby turn into? well, we all know what he turned to into a wonderful man who did so much and It looks obviously better on when you're on a full-size computer and you can see how he had hair yeah, isn't that crazy and He had hair and well, he also and yeah, some things hadn't changed so Yeah, actually I will tell you a little secret some this lady right here right that's my mom So, you know Some things are happening So yeah, so I think that you can see a lot of things about kaha and about his life and how how he changed throughout his life and How he thought because there is articles from 1996 for example and all throughout 2014 so I hope that you guys enjoy it and I I hope that he would have liked this too, so