 Next question is from Turtle Wave. How long did it take you to fall in love with the journey, not the destination? That's a good question. When you love the journey, you're gonna go hit the destination and surpass it. So this is always a goal. This was a goal for me for my clients all the time. My goal was to get my clients to love the environment of going to the gym, to love the experience, to love exercise, because I knew if I could get them to do that, that they would never stop. That it was always something that they looked forward to, that they knew that it made them feel good in the moment, they enjoyed that whole thing. I wouldn't have to worry about them ever stopping. That was always the goal. Now, me personally, that really happened to me and solidified for me. I mean, I always loved working out from day one, but it really solidified for me years ago when I was working out. For me, years ago, when I had somebody very close to me get very, very sick and they were terminal. It took them, for about a year and a half, they were terminal before they passed away. And I continued to exercise and I started to fall in love with exercise for different reasons that I had loved it before. It wasn't about the pump or the sweat or the weight that I was lifting or how strong I felt or the intensity of the workout. Those are all things I loved before. It was the meditation aspect of it. It was the feeling good. It was the present, the being present moment aspect of exercising. When I'm working out, I'm here. My mind isn't spinning in a million different directions. And so in that year and a half period, I started to really fall in love with the journey in a more complete way, at least when it came to exercise. Now, here's the cool thing about this and I've seen this with young clients. It bleeds over into everything else. It really does like you start to learn that the journey is what it's all about, whether it's business or raising your kids or whatever. If you can enjoy the process, everything else is easy. Yeah, I think for me, I always loved working out and I loved self-improvement and I was sort of a junkie towards that. I always wanted to do better in any, especially athletic realm. I wanted to be better. I wanted to move faster. I wanted to get stronger. So I always enjoyed that, but I think it really just dawned on me where you could go with this fitness, like where I could take it to new levels was when I stopped being an athlete and when I just finally accepted the fact that like I don't have to work out to produce something that I measure out on the field. Like it's not, that's not all it equates to. Like there's more to this. There's ways of benefiting your body from a physical standpoint, but also a mental, emotional standpoint too, where this was something that it just turned into, I'm doing this to benefit my body and to make me feel good and be healthy. I wasn't in it to be healthy. I was in it for performance exclusively. And so once I moved back here from Chicago, I struggled with that. And that was a thing like what am I doing? Why even work out? Because I worked out to then go play something and then display whatever skills or things I've been working on or if I was stronger or more explosive, like that mattered. And now like it just didn't translate the same. So I just started to have to reframe it and look at it in a completely different lens. And then it just finally, I just accepted it and became something that I just, I fell more in love with it because it was really benefiting me and everything just with my lifestyle. I don't think I arrived here until not that long right before mind pump. For me, I was very on or off all the time. And when I was on, I had a goal. I had something coming up and so I was gonna get myself into shape. Even this is years of being a trainer and I use my trainer knowledge and experience to whip myself into shape or to accomplish fitness goals that I had. I don't think it was until I fell out of shape and I left fitness for that little two year hiatus when I was in marijuana. And when I was doing that and I realized how unhappy I was. I was, you know, I chased the dollar thing and I was off obviously my fitness. I was still kind of working out. I've never not worked out for a longer period of time than a few months, right? I think probably two months has been the longest I've ever not worked out at all. But I was very inconsistent. I was eating terribly. I wasn't moving at all. And I was kind of working out while I was doing the marijuana thing. And, you know, I had reached that financial goal and I saw just my whole life was kind of in disarray. Like it just, my relationships with my family, my friends, you know, my relationship with money, everything was kind of all changing around that time. And when I did back into fitness and exercise and like full time, the attitude was different. It wasn't like I'm doing this because I have this major goal. Although I did use the transformation goal thing to kind of catapult Instagram and things like that. It really wasn't the main motivation originally, right? Originally it was like, I miss fitness and I miss the way I feel and how it affects like your point cell every part of my life. And after I did the whole and it didn't come completely full circle until I got to walk away from competing. Cause obviously, so my mindset was there right before mine pump. Then I decide I'm going to get, I'm going to die back in for those purposes because I see how much it enhances my entire life. But I go, okay, well I'm also going to build a business around at the same time. So let's put this out on Instagram and YouTube and drive traffic to me. And then it wasn't until after being able to walk away from competing where I was on this very strict regimen of what I was doing training and dieting. And so I think really just in the last, you know, probably four years or so, do I feel this way? And the way it looks as far as what, how does it look different for me today than it does then is what I've mentioned on podcasts many times. There's lots of times where, you know, a day of exercise may be, you know, Katrina and I go somewhere and do a two and a half hour hike somewhere or I may just work on my squat or I may just do mobility for a while or I'm doing, I look at it a lot different. It was always like goal-based before. If I was in the gym lifting in my mid to late 20s, I was doing it to accomplish something. I was in pursuit of a lower body fat percentage. I was in pursuit of building more muscle or more strength. It always, there was always an end goal in it. It wasn't like I'm doing this to enhance my life. Today it's 100% that. Today it's, I want to feel better. I want to sleep better. I want to be stronger. I want to have energy. I want to be able to play with my son. I don't want my joints to hurt. And so therefore every day, I'm trying to do something that's related to health and it just looks different. It doesn't look like a structured, you know, hit everybody part workout. It doesn't look like that because sometimes it's not how it pans out for me. And I'm okay with that today where in the past I would write that off as, oh, I'm gonna train because I don't have time to do this or, you know, go for a hike that's not really gonna help me build more muscle. So I'm not gonna do it. And so that's really come full circle for me in the last probably five to six years really. Yeah, I used to, with clients, we would have this conversation later on when I realized that I wasn't doing a good job getting people to stay consistent. And the conversations I would have is I'd say, okay, what are your favorite things to do that involve movement and activity? And they'd say, oh, I like dancing. Like that's your cardio. So can you dance twice a week, you know? Or can you dance a little bit every single day? And they'd be like, are you serious? Shouldn't I be running? Like no, no, no. Do that, you enjoy it. I know you're gonna do it because you love doing it. The structured workout will be with me. Let me do the structured workout. And then I know my goal was, I'm gonna make them love this. And usually it wasn't the workout itself that they loved. It was the way they felt and the environment and the people and they developed this good relationship. But yeah, this is key. And it's funny how all of us are talking about how we all worked out for years before this became a thing. This doesn't happen overnight. Well, it's also, it's a process. I also think that's, I mean, when we had that very first talk on Mind Pump, this was the things that we felt were important to communicate to the masses that wasn't being talked about. Everything's about body fat percentage, lose again. How do you get lean? How do you get all these five pound goals? Right, and there was just, I think a much more important conversation we all do. I think there was a much more important conversation that need to be had with the masses. Like, yes, if we wanna get down and break down macros and talk about planning out a plan for someone to accomplish something, we've all proven that we can do that to ourselves and do that to other people. But when you talk about long-term behaviors and changing people's lives, that this becomes a part of their journey and not just a short goal for a wedding or Vegas or something they have, that it sounds a lot different. And the things you communicate are a lot different. There's a lot of the motivation behind what we do. It's a crucial part to personal growth, you know? And that's something that is very obvious when you're in it, but you gotta be in it. Totally.