 Coming up on DTNS, the NBA loops in Microsoft to help you get the most out of games when games return. Why SMR is good if you mean the podcast, but not good as the architecture of your NAS hard drive. Plus how the workplace will change when we're allowed back into the office. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, April 17th, 2020 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood. I'm Sarah Lane. From Columbus, Ohio, I'm Rob Dunwood. From the top tech stories in Cleveland, Ohio, I'm Len Peralta. And from overcast Southern California skies on the show's producer, Roger Chang. We were just having a conversation about misophonia and how it affects anniversary dinner. So among many other things, you can get that wider show on good day internet. Become a member at patreon.com slash DTNS. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Microsoft's Windows 10 May 2020 update will begin rolling out to members of its release preview soon. Windows 10 Insider Program, though the company didn't say when Windows 10 May 2020 update will roll out to the general public. Brandon LeBlanc, Senior Program Manager of the Windows Insider Program, said in a blog post that Microsoft will keep publishing new bug fixes until that time. Apple accessory maker Nomad recently announced that it would repurpose its Asian and North American supply chain operations to provide medical supplies to aid global pandemic efforts. Nomad is producing both civilian masks and NK95 respirators at its iPhone case factory in China. Nomad says it shipped well over 2 million medical masks thus far and could be producing as many as 3 million per week going forward. The Economic Times, multiple sources say India's Reliance Industries Limited, the folks who make the GEO, among others, the GEO service, is working with Facebook to create a WeChat rival by combining social, digital payments, gaming, and flight and hotel bookings along with a bunch of other features, all in a single app experience. WeChat does that in China and it's huge. WeChat's trying to move into India. WhatsApp's already really popular in India so it all makes sense. Reportedly, the platform would combine RIL's retail platform and payments using FinTech service GEO money and tap into WhatsApp's, of course, huge user base in India. Suppose you've heard of some events being postponed or outright canceled. Well, for the first time in 50 years, there will not be a San Diego Comic Con this year. The next one will be July 2nd through the 25th of 2021. Badge holders can transfer their badge to next year or just request a full refund. Apple launched its web-based interface for Apple Music out of Beta Friday. You can find it in any web browser at music.apple.com. Apple also offers TV content at tv.apple.com. Apple Music head Oliver Shusher will also be taking the helmet beats, replacing beats president Luke Wood, who was leaving the company April 30th. Amazon announced a new long-form speaking style for Amazon Voice Services designed for news and music content from third-party developers. The style automatically incorporates long pauses when moving to a different paragraph or moving from one bit of dialogue to another. Amazon is also making its news and conversational speaking styles from its Amazon Poly text-to-speech cloud service available for AVS skills. I listened to both. Couldn't really tell the difference, but I guess it's there. Microsoft announced it developed a system that can distinguish between security and non-security software bugs 99% of the time using a machine learning interface with the ability to identify critical high-priority security bugs 97% of the time. The system was trained on 13 million work items and bugs from 47,000 developers across GitHub and Azure DevOps repositories with the data set approved by security experts. Microsoft says the model is in production internally and plans to open-source the methodology on GitHub. And following up on a story from a couple of weeks ago, Northrop Grumman announced Friday that its Mission Extended Vehicle 1, or MEV1 spacecraft, has successfully restored Intel Sats 901 operations and relocated the satellite into position. MEV1 became the first commercial spacecraft to dock with another in orbit on February 25th. MEV1 will stay attached to Intel Sats 901 and provide power and other services for five years after which it will move the older satellite into a graveyard orbit. And then MEV1 will be available to service another satellite. There's another MEV coming from Northrop Grumman being sent into service, hopefully later this year, to take it up to the Intel Sats 1002. All right, let's talk a little more about that Apple-Google contact tracing platform because there's lots more clarifications and thoughts and things coming out about it. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of questions and some clarifications. Wired reports, more clarifications of Apple and Google's contact tracing platform. So for those who aren't caught up yet, the system is Bluetooth LE only. It's fully opt-in, collects no location data, and the little data that is collected stays on the device unless the user is confirmed positive for COVID-19 by a health agency and agrees to anonymous notification of others. So that's the whole opt-in part. The system only shares a rotating set of numbers, so it's supposed to be good for anonymity. Security experts told Wired that potential weaknesses in the system include correlation attacks. If you know the time and place where your phone got anonymous numbers associated with an anonymous infected person, you might be able to deduce who they were. Advertisers who use Bluetooth beacons in stores and then violate the terms of the contact tracing's API could also correlate identities, although this may or may not be useful, kind of hard to say. Another problem is that the number of downloads associated worldwide with infected people could be hundreds of megabytes. So correlating location on more of a national scale could reduce that to a megabyte or two. Also, health agency apps might ask users to share GPS location data anyway. And of course, the health agency apps would know the IP address of anybody who's reporting themselves as infected. So the data is being shared on some level. The health agency already knows who the person is so that the agencies need to make sure that data isn't collected and stored anywhere. It could be accessed for other purposes or by people who aren't supposed to access it. And then there's already reported friction between the system and the UK's NHS over the NHS's plans to create a centralized database of contacts. Yeah, the whole point of the Apple Google system is to keep you from knowing who is who. To say, we want you to know you were near a device that is associated with somebody who's infected, but we don't want you to be able to figure out who it is. But these correlation attacks are hard to defend against. If somebody can go to the trouble, the Wired article had an example of you set up a camera and so you're constantly filming and then you have rude access to your device so you can know what the numbers are. And if a number comes through as being associated with an infected user, you could then go back and find out, okay, when I got that number first was at this time code I look at what I was recording and I could tell who that person was. That's a lot of work to go to. And the one you mentioned about advertisers, they already know who you are from their beacon. The only reason they want to correlate that with the database from Apple and Google would be to tell who might be infected in their store. And it's questionable whether that would be useful, especially if it came out that they had done it and they got all the bad press about it. But these are good things to know and have your eyes wide open if you're going to opt into this system that it isn't 100%, maybe 99%, but it's not 100%. Rob, does any of this make you feel any better? It does. So I was actually talking to a friend about stuff like this just the other day and they're like, if it's going to make me safer or give me the opportunity to go get checked out if I've been near someone, I'm for potentially giving up a little, just a little bit of privacy because the efforts that one has to go through to figure out who you are from this are going to be, I don't want to say extraordinary, but there's going to be some work, a level of work that's going to be done. That's with any system anyway. So this is probably going to be no more nefarious than any other thing that's out there. In fact, nefarious is probably not the right word because they're trying to build it so that it isn't going to be that way. So I think the steps that Google and Apple particularly are taking to try to make sure that all this data is anonymous is good, even though there are going to be some backdoors in some form of capacity. Yeah, and it seems like all of the ways to identify would only be when someone says they're infected because everything else is purely just numbers and it's not associated to anything until someone says they're infected. At which point a health agency knows you're affected, your insurance knows you're infected, anybody in your family or friends knows you're infected because it's responsible to tell them. So you're already not at 100% privacy there. Anyway, I'm with you, Rob. I'm willing to give up that little possibility of extra privacy possibly being violated because of the work it would take to uncover it. So Facebook has added new reaction to the suite. So there's basically new emoticons, I guess that's what you call them. So you currently have like, love, laugh and a few more. Now they're going to add a care emoji that we'll start appearing next week, taking the form of an emoji face embracing a heart. It's already available in Messenger but appears there is a pulsing heart. And I've read this and I looked at the story and it was kind of cool, but I was just hoping it's like, could we just get a you good emoji? That's what I want because I'm thinking of conversations that I have with my friends, particularly the guys. It's like, you good? Yep, you good? Yep, family good? Yep, your family good? You don't necessarily need the happy face clutching heart. I mean, we already have a heart and a thumb up. I feel like you good. Yeah, I want that. Because with my neighbors too, like y'all good, everything good? Okay, yeah. Please make that happen Facebook. Well, I didn't try to be snarky about the story but I thought, is this just sort of one of these dumb Facebook things of like, look, we're spreading goodwill across our platform and it's like, I have nothing bad to say about it but it does seem like an emoji that already kind of existed. If I wrote something about, I don't know, a healthcare or something personal or whatever and I get the red heart, that's already been part of Facebook since the beginning. I think, okay, great. Tom hearted that. He thought something of it. You, as the emoji who's looking happy, holding the heart or the heart pulsing as if you're alive, kind of the same message. It's like hugs. Yeah, I guess. Goldman Sachs estimates iPhone shipments will fall 36% in Q3 and have in fact downgraded Apple stock to sell. That caught some people's attention. Goldman also expects average selling prices for consumer devices in general to decline in the all but assured recession. I don't think there's anybody who thinks there isn't going to be one. Customers are expected to hold on to their devices longer, opt for cheaper replacements if they do need them. Goldman also expects the 5G iPhone to arrive in November. That's consistent with a lot of other reports from other analysts thinking it probably won't arrive September, October. It's gonna get delayed a little bit to November. Bloomberg reports that Tim Cook also talked to Apple staff on Thursday to try to let them know that, hey, yes, Apple quote isn't immune to worldwide economic trends, but that they have the resources to weather this. He pointed out that Apple continues to pay all employees, even with stores closed in most places in the world. And of course, all of this coming in advance of Apple announcing their earnings on April 30th. Well, with Apple stores having been closed since mid-March with reopens, I mean, we had the South Korea reopening, but it sounds- In China, yeah. And yeah, in China ahead of that, I do wonder how the next earnings report is going to be. It's, you know, Apple's big bread and butter report is later in the year when consistent with the iPhone cycle. So, and that might be a little bit delayed based on when people have expected them in the past, but it wouldn't really change the quarter, which you get in January anyway. So yeah, I think of myself as an example, would I get a new iPhone later this year had I been planning to, but then all of this happened in the meantime and money got a little bit more scarce and my uncertainty skyrocketed. Yeah, I mean, I'm skipping a purchase like that. You know, it's 1200 bucks. I want to hold on to that for something more important. Yeah, most people don't get new iPhones because their old iPhone broke. They get new iPhones because new iPhones exist. So what 22 million people have lost a job in the last 30 days in the United States. My gut tells me that if you are struggling because you aren't employing any longer, you're not going to go out and spend 11, $1,200 on a new phone when your old phone literally does almost everything that that new phone does. You know, that's an area that's going to get cut pretty quick. Yeah, and even if a large number of them, best case scenario, those people have jobs back again because businesses are opening up again. Everybody's gonna be a little nervous even if they do have their job back and they're gonna have back debts that they want to cover. So it's not like those pocket butts are gonna just open right back up. Microsoft and the NBA announced a deal that would see the league use Microsoft Service Tablets and Azure Cloud Services. This will see the NBA move previously on-premises workloads like encoding video and indexing events to the cloud. And NBA spokesperson also said that the league was looking at how Azure would allow the NBA to augment the online fan experience like delivering games in a viewer's language, integrating chat, showing relevant stats, as well as using it to augment the league's archival footage. Yeah, this has been a trend in sports broadcasting for a while, Amazon, Statcast on MLB, for example. And so Microsoft, I think this would be an interesting story in a normal world, but in the world where the only way you're going to be enjoying an NBA game anytime soon is if they come back to play, probably not in front of crowds for a while, having all of this extra stats and enhancements to show people watching at home, I think is going to be pretty important. Yeah, this is clearly not something that the NBA and Microsoft started working on since COVID-19 became a thing, but the timing of it for them is actually pretty good because you're right, even if the arena's open for next season, I don't know if I want to sit next to 19,000 people in an arena when I could actually have a more enjoyable time of watching the game on my television. And I'm already there with football to where it's actually better to watch football on TV than just to watch it live. So this is going to be probably a boon for the NBA and Microsoft as we get into the, when they either restart games or get into the next season. Yeah, yeah. No, I hadn't even thought about that. Once they can have the crowds, and that may not be until 2021, that they can let crowds back in. They're going to have to do things to entice them. So there may be things that they offer to people like, hey, these seats come with a tablet and you can get in-game stats as you're watching it sitting in the crowd. They may have to use that to entice people back into showing up in person. So let's see, I think I'm next here. So storage vendors, including Western Digital are shipping shingled magnetic recording discs as NAS drives instead of conventional magnetic recording disc in order to get more terabytes out of fewer platters. SMR, and I like how you guys gave me this story. That's what I'm talking about. SMR, meaning shingled magnetic recording, not SMR podcast, yeah. Exactly, but SMR discs have previously been used for archival purposes because of lower random IO performance. In addition to the lower performance, some users report that discs get kicked out of a race, possibly because of timeouts caused, by the way, SMR discs cash incoming rights. The main reason for using SMR NAS discs like the WD Red is to lower manufacturing costs. In a response to blocksandfiles.com, Western Digital said, in a typical small business or home NAS environment, workloads tend to be bursty in nature, leaving sufficient amount of time for garbage collection and other maintenance operations. And our testing of WD Red drives, we have not found a way to rebuild issues due to SMR technology. Well, that verges on sounding like you're using it wrong. Western Digital was like, hey, we could save a little money. You know, people don't use their NAS drives the way an enterprise does, right? We could totally get away with this. And I know this really got under the skin of our producer, Roger Chang, because you run a NAS, this bugged you. Yeah, because I actually have an SMR shingle magnetic recording drive. And a quick overview, they call it that because to get more density from a single platter, they essentially over, not overwrite, they overlap the right head over a previous track. So it's like shingles on a house. You have one row overlapping another. The problem with that is it really blunts your right performance. So it's great if you wanna like back up all your photos and stick in the closet and maybe revisit every few months. It's gonna stink if you're in an environment where you constantly need to write to and read from that drive. And frankly, a NAS is something that I personally use quite often. In fact, more than 50 or 60 times a day because it is essentially a network drive on my desktop, on my Mac and PC. So I'm constantly bringing files back and forth to it. I don't know. It seems like kind of a weird move by a company who wants to sell more of these because they just really suck for writing. I mean, it doesn't feel like they just wanted to, they just didn't think anybody would notice and they could get away with it. Oh, you open it. It really does. Go ahead and write it. Oh no, I just like, they probably were saying like, hey, maybe we won't get so many platters. We can use two of platters instead of three in these drives. We'll have extra leftover platters and then we can still make the same number of drives for the same amount of money, still make more money. I don't know. They thought people would notice, but honestly, people who have NASs would be the first people to notice. I don't know. It seems more like a move from accounting or marketing than anything else. That's the point that I was gonna make, Roger, is the fact that why would they assume that the person that is buying network attached storage for their house or for their business, they're serious about their data, or they wouldn't have been buying a NAS device. So why would you think that they would not notice that they can't write stuff as quickly as they could if you actually use proper hardware in such a device? Yeah. Not arrogant of them. It was, and there was some confusion about whether they were properly disclosing that these were SMR disks when you were buying the Western Digital Reds as well. So you might wanna be very careful about buying these if you're building a NAS, for sure. I will add this one bit of information. There is a subreddit on Reddit for data hoarders, and that's one of the big things they talk about. They give each other advice about which models to avoid because they're SMR drives. Yeah. So in short, SMR podcast, good. SMR hard drive for your NAS, not good. Two separate things. Hey, folks, if you wanna get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com. All right, Protocol has a couple of articles about what offices will look like once people are allowed to go back into them to work. In China, employees have started to go back to work. Not all their offices are open even there, but the ones that are, employees are getting masks, gloves, hand sanitizer. So we've got a little look into what might be happening. What folks are expecting when you go back into offices is testing. There is something called a non-medical use test. That's a test that's good enough, but not good enough for hospital use. It's not good enough for clinical use. So you can buy those for an office space to be sort of a first line of defense. They don't deprive healthcare facilities of official tests, but they can provide screening that if you get a positive, then you do a second test to be sure, because these tests aren't quite as accurate. And then if you are still positive, then you go on and get referred to a healthcare unit where you get the more accurate test. So the idea is these less expensive, easily available tests could be done maybe twice a week. The positives, like I said, would need to be confirmed. And you would have to be aware that this doesn't do anything for false negatives. This would only be a way to try to find positives and help those people pull out of the workplace. You're still going to have to do a lot to mitigate against somebody who is contagious and the test just doesn't know it because again, these tests aren't as, these aren't medical tests. So workspaces would still need to do social distancing. Ford Motor Company is experimenting with devices that buzz when you get close to each other. So there may be some stuff like that where it just kind of reminds you, stay away from your coworkers. Foot traffic would need to be managed. They're talking about having lanes marked out with arrows so that people aren't passing by each other in close proximity. Food would have to be handled differently. Those tech companies with their communal cafeterias, they're going to have to package that stuff up. I read an article about craft services at film shoots. No more open tables of stuff. They're going to have it everything packaged and handed over to people individually. Not everyone will be able to be in an office at once. They're going to have to balance staggered shifts and work from home so that you don't go over capacity. And even things like restrooms, they may need attendance to kind of make sure not too many people are getting into the restroom and clean those restrooms a lot more frequently, maybe even after every use. Not to mention things like company buses, the tech companies again in the Bay Area have those transportation systems that they set up themselves. Is that something they should still be doing? Will they have to reduce the number of people on the buses, check for fevers before you can board stuff like that? Rob, I know you were saying you're near to some people who are in the midst of trying to figure all this stuff out right now. So yeah, so my wife works in HR for a large bank here and this based in Central Ohio. And then I've got one of my closest friends is actually executive vice president of real estate for a telecom before a utility here in the Midwest. And they're both going through projects where they're looking to see whether or not they bring literally thousands of people back into buildings that they currently have working remotely now. And they're not sure yet. They're looking at productivity. This is gonna take a lot longer to look at than we've really only been where we are for less than two months and they're looking at least six months to, eight months to just look to see what the level of productivity is going to be. But teleworking is probably going to take a huge leap. Not that we weren't moving that way already but it definitely got shotgunned here in the last couple of months. Yeah, yeah. In fact, I've read a couple of articles talking about how a lot of the objections that companies had have been proven wrong. People aren't less productive, et cetera. And you pointed out an article over at globalworkplaceanalytics.com kind of going through the pros and cons based on 4,000 studies, dozens of interviews with telework enthusiasts and naysayers, VCs, Fortune 500 execs, virtual employers and more. The list covers a lot of pros, increased employee satisfaction, et cetera, yeah. Yeah, there were pages of pros. I mean, I know what things you would expect. Employees like working from home, employees save money because they don't have to commute all that kind of stuff. But it got into like global warming and lessening of natural resources. I mean, there was just a plethora of pros to this. There were quite a few cons as well. But the cons, when you actually do the math and add everything up, the amount of money that organizations can save by having people work at home, not just soft cost and productivity that you've gotta actually have somebody be more productive and you save money over the year. Things that are almost immediate that people just don't call off as much because I think that in their reporting, they said that 83% of call-offs are not because people are sick, they're because they just got something else to do. And if you're already home, there's a good chance you could probably do that thing without having to call off. So they're seeing hard cost and just people being in seats significantly more so than when you have people coming into an office or something that could potentially be done remotely. Yeah, and I noticed they estimate the annual direct spend per office employee to work from home is about $2,710 that's setting them up with all the things they need. That's if they don't have stuff already, right? That's providing them everything and support costs because there is some increased support where people like, I can't get this to work. They figured that was about $1,231, but that was dwarfed by the savings of not having them in the building, not having to support them in ways inside the building. So it seems like for certain businesses, obviously construction sites, you can't work from home, you gotta be there, right? But for tech companies, a large amount of this kind of stuff might be better off just keeping it at home for the time being and spending the money to upgrade people's equipment. And especially like your wife, Rob, and people who are working for companies of usually larger companies, but where the best interest of your employees is your job. You want people to be happy, you want them to be productive, you want things to run smoothly. Not everybody does well working from home. Some people work better working from home. There's having to relocate to have a job that was onsite that you could not do remotely, then all of a sudden you can. Well, things have changed, but that kind of changes the landscape of how you would recruit in the future. People have been complaining about open office layouts in offices where there's no more sort of that cube life. It's like communal tables. And I mean, I was definitely one of the complainers last time I worked in an open office because I'm like, I have no privacy. Everything that's happening around me, it's too loud, there's no sound dampening. Every time someone walks around the corner, I'm distracted because I'm watching around. That all sort of comes into play too as maybe we need a little bit more barrier situation if you're gonna cram a certain amount of people in a room. Maybe you can't anymore. How does the whole thing get reimagined? Yeah, and we're gonna have a better handle on, okay, what are the things that we aren't getting? And like you said, Rob, there are some cons in there, less collaboration, less serendipity where you just walk over and run into, oh, what are you working on? There are some ways to kind of stimulate that in a virtual situation, but I think that's why we won't see the technology companies go fully work from home, but some kind of 60% shift where you're at home more days and you come into the office, maybe there's collaborative sessions or something like that that they try to get the best of both worlds because you just can't have all the people in the office at the same time until there's a vaccine. Yeah, I think they're even referring to it as like the hotel office approach where you come into the office when you need to. You don't have a cubicle, you don't have a physical office anymore. You just register to have them wanna be in the office these three days on this week coming up in July and you just show up along with 10, 20% of the rest of your workforce, but everyone in mass is generally working remote. Yeah, and GPAC 84 says as a designer, I kind of need that face-to-face collaboration. There's certainly going to be exceptions to this. I can think of with my wife's job, they're rotten tomatoes, they shoot video. Like they're eventually gonna wanna be in their studio shooting video. That's just not as good when you do it from home. So there are exceptions to this, but there are lots of things that we're finding out. Yeah, the worry about doing this from home, didn't really pan out. You probably have thoughts on this yourself and if so, you can join the conversation that's happening in our Discord right now. In fact, it's going on 24 hours a day and you can join by linking to a Patreon account at patreon.com slash dtns. Let's check out the mail bag. We got a good one from Nick in response to our story from yesterday, Bloomberg sources saying that Apple's working on some over-the-ear headphones. Nick says, I wear hearing aids and I'd love to have over-the-ear headphones that aren't bulky. I can pair my hearing aids to my iPhone but I get lag and I get choppy performance. New hearing aids could fix the problem but I'd have to spend at least $2,500 for a new set. I do have in-ear headphones, they're great for watching TV or when I'm at the gym but if someone wants to talk to me then I have to swap my earbuds out, put my hearing aids in over the ear rather, headphones would make that a lot easier to do. Have a great day from a snowy day in Chicago's Northwest suburbs. Also shout out to patients at our master and grand master levels including John Johnston, Chris Smith and Jeff Wilkes. Len Peralta has been quietly working away drawing something for us to go with today's show. What have you drawn today, Len? Well, you know a lot of things are gonna be changing when people go back to work post COVID. The biggest change I think will be the boss. And this is an image that I think is gonna be very prevalent. Someone named Tom, Tom Nook is going to be being a big part. That's the Animal Crossing guy. Yeah, but you know, I think people, I think he's people's bosses now, isn't he? I mean, he's bossing people around. I think people may be spending more time in Animal Crossing than on their job in some cases. It's quite possible. I think so, so yeah, this young lady is asking what happened to Gary? And of course, Tom's going, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The post COVID workplace probably very, very Animal Crossing influenced. This image is available right now. My Patreon, patreon.com, forward slash Len. Also at my online store, lennproldestore.com. I'm also doing quarantine birthday cards, anniversary cards, graduation cards. So check that out as well. That's on the front page. A few people have been sharing those with us to the DT&S email and they're so heartwarming. They're so good. Yeah, it's great. It's a good way to kind of keep in touch with people when you can't keep in touch with people right now. So just consider it, lennproldestore.com. Excellent. Also thanks to Rob Dunwood for being with us today. Rob, I know you're a busy man. Where can people keep up with your work? You can just find me at Rob Dunwood on pretty much anything and definitely come check us out over at the SMR podcast. And yeah, we are not related at all to Western digital and their poor decision making with their NASA devices. What does SMR and SMR podcast stand for? Simple mobile review. That's the roots, got it. It has nothing to do with what the name of our show is but it's been 11 years that we've been doing it with that name, so it's just kind of stick. Yeah, it's like ESPN. There's no entertainment. Well, I guess now that it's all they have is entertainment but it didn't. It was mostly. Hey, Dan wrote in and thankfully gave us somebody to share with you at the end of the show. We've been doing this where we're highlighting creators and causes that we think are deserving of your intention. 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