 You can help her physically behind the TV and that's why I don't want to keep it like I know I want to do it and then you can just have McKinley help you yeah turn into accommodate but it's been a whole thing are we good we're good it's just yeah it's working better all right I think yeah I think we're okay I really do apologize everyone it's been a thing thank you so Scott for my team was not here so we're trying to figure it out and I think we did I don't really get chambers in there so I know the mayor responded and said that he has something for the rider cup that he had to do on site today so he was not able to make it and I heard from Betty who said that she has something for school so she was not able to make it I don't know if we have a problem if we don't do we just talk do we not the mayor said that we should look at like if there's certain places that we for instance want to put like waste pickup stations or something like that something that especially if I could get folded into other projects as the city is working on them in the parks or different things if there's I'll like something about something about pickup okay are you having a time period no just you just kind of just kind of blanked out lost you cut out for a second at least on my end well that's kind of on par for the day I guess uh so the mayor said that we should talk about a couple things if there's places in the city that we would really like to see things like a head watering station or a waste station to come up with some of those and then I guess Whitewood Park which is where they play softball he's been getting phone calls about not allowing dogs there and that softball teams are going to take their games elsewhere so I don't know exactly you know Joe if that's something under your purview but he just said to discuss it and I guess recommend one way or the other what's the problem with the dogs there I don't know not just that they're not allowed at this point and people want them to be okay I see me can you hear me yes okay I did they are not allowed in Wildwood I've been in contact with the chair the president for the association he said he was going to start coming down on people I have sense and that was just from one person contacting me I have a sense I had a couple different ones so I will contact him again and tell him we continue to get complaints but people can also call the police to go over there and start ticketing or kicking them out so so from what the mayor said though I think he is looking at you know could they be allowed there more than can we keep them someplace like that where there's kids running around and that's one of the places that absolutely you don't you don't allow a pet during during games but it's something that's just me and what I've read on other cities you don't do that but that's certainly up for this this this group to talk about too they should not be out of my mind they should not just like they should not be out of playground and I think that's part of a larger conversation that we've been hoping to have right and just to sign that I think it's going to be bubbling to the surface that like people probably want their pets around and starting to come up with a plan of where it is appropriate where it isn't appropriate instead of kind of the blanket no that's out there now that broader conversation is probably worth I just don't know how we can have it or what the rules are to have it productively in terms of getting a quorum or not and moving this committee forward let me see what our number is at right now I think we might actually have a quorum because we have a couple of people ever removed from the committee prior to this meeting it just seems like this is probably our group from what I've seen like this is the dedicated core of of the group yeah I agree and that's where I'm like well I don't know what the rules are and we need to reform as a committee or something so that we can have a group that can maintain quorum right and I know that's something that the mayor is looking at so we're going to move forward people around cool since the last meeting so I think we might be at or let me just double check so I don't give a trouble city attorneys we don't want that I just honestly don't see how we can even be having some discussion about how to deal with that when we don't even know what we don't even know first of all the procedures for having such a discussion and secondly what you know what the end goal would be for that discussion right I mean I guess my mind is more comfortable you know kind of going with the original idea of like what is the overarching goals of this group because until we have that it's really hard to come up with anything actionable or anything in terms of objectives like laying out responsibilities or who's doing what or if we need to talk to if we don't really know where we're going correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think we really know where we're going are we still looking at the the pet friendly certification I mean I think that's part of the question is you know is that something we want to pursue is that I get the sense that's not the end goal um like maybe that's something we want to have along the way but it's not necessarily the end all be all for this committee park ordinances you know investigating other cities and you know I thought that was one of our goals was to get pets allowed in some areas in some of our parks which I think was all tied up with that survey so our goals I'm not sure if everybody has it anymore but and for a little way for me I can't find my file but I handed out and I sent out basically a pet inventory report from 2009 or something like that what if we um we did this for water safety we we basically updated that report why don't we as one of our goals is to update that report and um you know turn it into the marina parks and forestry for their consideration at what time I'm not sure but that would be one of our goals I like I I like that because at least it might help us if we have we if we have that to focus on then we're we're bound to learn other things along the way that we can start addressing to you Abby and we can make sure the the people that ever participating the most um to go through that and we could at least find tasks from there there's a lot of information that I sent out from other cities and and box so I mean to pass that along again too before the next meeting sure um so I guess when I I don't know when I think about it and have been thinking about it you know parks is one piece of the puzzle um but I think there's others in our relationship with the mason value for instance as a city um and other rescues uh you know business I think oh sorry I was gonna say just overall culture as well um responsible pet ownership like all that touches everything right I know that um including earlier this morning we've been charged by off-leash dogs twice in the last 10 days which is super awesome um gotten lucky each time but I think that overall to me the the overall goal of what is the pet culture in town and um building responsible pet ownership leads to new park rules leads to a relationship with the humane society that leads to everything right so you start with kind of mission values of what we want the culture to be and then look at each of the subtopics and I think that's where the assessment was really useful in terms of giving us those subtopics of housing office um pet friendly offices parks humane society all the things and how the mission vision values that we identify should apply once we identify those look at those subtopics and say okay what does the mission vision values that we chose apply to each of these sub categories and what would we recommend for them we don't have to do them all at the same time like we should definitely prioritize those sub categories but that seems to be the way to get to something that's consistent right and can be justified justified as to why we're making recommendations we're making yeah that I agree and that was why that was why I thought that maybe also updating this 2009 survey could be helpful as well maybe that maybe that could be part of it Michelle what was the odd least thing you stated there's oh I've just been walking my dog like twice in the last 10 days um just got charged by a pit bull once then this morning on the river walk got charged by a german shepherd both I ended up fine got lucky the pit bull was just friendly and wanted to play apparently but um it just reminded me like there's a whole pet culture and ownership thing going on in town is as well you know just dealt with this large situation myself this morning well I think like you said that responsible pet ownership and that education and all the things that go with that underpins everything else so I think we could define what we want to see as a city for pet owners and non-pet owners like you know and then we can talk about how we communicate that and how we educate people and how we apply that like you said everything um oh okay so how are we gonna go about it well I think um this is where the humane society and I think like the city of shaboy can have that opportunity where we have I think close to 20 000 people on our facebook page so if we come up with some of those tips and tricks that we can be educating the community that's things that between us and even the city can share of places that are safe to take your animals off leash and parks that are safe and so I think a lot of that is just primary education where if we make it more readily available to people then they are going to have an understanding I think in my talks with just basic people within the community um a lot of people don't know like that they can't have their dogs off a leash in a park you know yes there might be a sign posted on one corner of the park but they don't readily go out and look for it and if you see other people doing it you automatically assume it's okay um so really taking you know an opportunity to educate people regularly I think is is a big first step um because making the assumption that anyone is going out and looking for that information is not going to get us anywhere um you know most people are just going to do what they want to do unless they're told told differently um so I think that would be a great first step for us of you know just some of those basics and putting it out there so that people are getting that awareness um I'm happy to help work with you know we have a marketing person on staff and put something together um we just want to figure out what those specific tips and tricks would be um to to start with so I think you know that that's a great first step um and you know if the city is willing to share that on their site as well um you know we can reach a lot of people that way so I would agree and I would I would also add that there might be a step before that in identifying the mission vision values and the culture we want the city because we can communicate as is today and I'm not I think this group is saying maybe we want to change what is today so I think first coming up with that culture and that would lead to tips and tricks totally agree with that and that would also lead to recommendations of what we might want to submit to the marina district or whatever to first be clear on what we kind of ideally want um basically totally agree so to get to that do we we want to work on coming up with those things we want to research maybe what other cities I don't know I'm not well I think if I think if we can have somebody who can look into perhaps what the humane society has to offer if somebody can look into perhaps what the city knows to compliment that and maybe maybe somebody or some people what other cities are doing in order to educate the pet ownership is that all kind of what marz had laid out I know Michelle I know you know a lot of that off the top of your head because you you've totally done a lot more reading than I have yeah I think a lot of the stuff sorry is in the book from Mars so I think yeah Mars is a nice starting point like rather than saying oh we want to great we got checked off by Mars where our work is done I think that's a nice starting point of like okay this is what we have this is what we don't have what's the delta what you know what do we want to change determine what we want to change and then go do research to see if that's a good idea or not but somehow we need to ground ourselves in what we want and and then look into what we want and decide whether that's a good idea or not so I think Mars is a good starting point some research is a good starting point mission vision values um and then start looking for deltas between where we are today and what we want and what and then start assigning tasks based on what we need to do to change those deltas yeah I think if we can come up with my kind of a guiding mission statement and you know what we value as a committee what we're hoping to achieve um in terms of a vision and you know that can be I think education is probably a huge part of that I think yeah I don't know what that looks like but I guess how do we define mission and our vision yeah I mean to me that's that's kind of the central question and it's probably a committee meeting right and or even a like recommitment to this task force and to me it's a it's a new first meeting of starting to discuss what we want what we think the community wants as as a town and and how we want to function right we've been around for like a year now do we need to relook at leadership I have no idea like do we do we want to reorganize ourselves and take that opportunity to reorganize and and we get calibrated on what our goals are and is part of that to find what's our mission I was sorry I would say that becoming a more pet friendly city is our mission well yeah that too really we have to kind of define what we mean though by pet friendly city and that's where we're going specifically off the Mars and you know all the information that's on the Mars and so maybe that is a good place to start maybe really digging into that and getting as familiar with it as we can and then coming back together with ideas how we envision moving forward and how what kind of mission statement we would we would want to put together that would define the culture of this group right I mean I guess Michelle's point you know when you say when we say pet friendly city like what is that like what does that actually look like yeah I think answering that you know if we answer that that's a good mission you know to get to that point where it's you know whatever that may be where it's people are responsible with their pets it's as harmonious or whatever like me I don't know yeah I think actually what we could do is we could take the Mars document and their subgroups and we could say to us the pet friendly task force of pet friendly city means and kind of make a statement for each of those subcategories and then that becomes our marching orders to figure out what that statement means in reality right so I'll just make one wait make one up that like we want 10 restaurants to a lot of dogs on their patios I have no idea I'm completely making that up but if we decide that's like the retail cat there's like a retail category in the Mars if we decide that's what that is then the marching order would be okay who's going to go figure out if having 10 restaurants that allow that is a good idea what do other cities do which restaurants can we talk to blah blah blah and that can become like the action plan so in terms of mission though would you say then that you know as part of the mission statement it would be um you know Sheboygan is a welcoming pet welcoming community or a community where pets are welcome you know in these different spheres where housing is available for owners and pets of all types and all price ranges are like how specific do you get right because the mission statement should really be an enduring thing um right yeah and I am the I'm not an expert in mission statements I will definitely say that but in my mind what what I'm seeing is you know Sheboygan is a pet friendly city to us that means and then it's kind of statements about each category we choose to decide as important to being a pet friendly city and I don't know how specific or not those statements should be but um that's how my brain organizes it I have no idea if that makes sense to anyone else I kind of see those statements getting kind of put together and refined as we're as we're beginning to sort of focus in on what our what our objective is well hopefully we can I don't know Laura correct me if I'm wrong but um I mean mission statement I was always I was told and taught and learned that it should be broad enough that it's um you know can carry on and it should be specific enough that you have a good sense of like what you're supposed to be doing and when you're outside the box and when that's not a mission focus anymore and that you can draw your objectives you know from that to say like okay we want to see that there's enough housing available no matter what type of dog you have you know what are that like what are those specific objectives that you distill from that yeah and I think for for this group in particular because we have a lot of different purposes um the omission statement itself should be relatively short and concise um you know two to three sentences most you look at most organizations and it's pretty simple clear overarching then when you get into your you know your vision and your values then that's where you start really expanding and breaking it down from there um you know so so as far as what our purpose is I think you know what Michelle was saying is our overall purpose is to make Sheboygan a more pet friendly community so we can expand on that a little bit but you know as we reach our goals our our mission will never change you know so we want to make our mission broad enough that it's not we want 10 restaurants to do this and we want 20 percent of apartments to allow you know dogs whatever that is um because if we reach that that doesn't mean our work is done so we we don't want to have to then change our mission because we reached goals that we can finish off in six months to a year so we want to ensure that it's it's a little bit more versatile towards the long-term plan for the you know the group um so I think keeping that relatively generic without getting too specific for your mission and your vision you know your you know core values then we can break it down a little bit more that we're you know specifying into the restaurants and you know and ensuring that those those areas key areas are hit but I don't think we need to get incredibly specific that's we're really more on a broad-based plan of what our goals are for the you know for the group um but I think keeping it pretty simple from the start is probably a safer bet you know the vision statement you're kind of looking at what you wanted to me yeah um so I guess with with that in mind like next step like what do we we're pretty self-directed I think so I think maybe if we each want to try to come up with you know what our thoughts are as far as what that would look like and then merge them together and kind of go from there so between now and the next meeting start pulling that together and maybe you know broaden it from there of what what we envision seeing so looking at the prior meetings and you know the conversations about restaurants and so really start I think developing more of a plan so then we can start having some action items between meetings um and you know assign people to do research or talk to people whatever that is but without having that that plan really ironed out it's hard for us to move forward okay when I think even just having a conversation around you know what are the what are our goals and what are our um has not been an easy conversation I have up until this point um or beyond this point I'm not sure which but that works for everybody could we we want to wait um I meet the following in July or I know there was some interest in maybe getting together and talking through some of these things I had a meeting I'm not committed either way I think it would be helpful if we got together in person and you know came up with a plan that we could then present at the next meeting agreed okay so if I send out a doodle does that work and would you say like you prefer it to be like in the after like really evening and um open the lunch hours for me in person I'm flexible okay yeah I'm flexible I'm gonna be out of town a little bit between now and then so that would be a limitation for me but timing of day I should be flexible okay I'm also flexible me too okay I will be out of town uh I'm leaving the 16th of July and I will be gone and through the 26th okay so I couldn't meet in person during that week I can make time to do I can't make time to be present over video but I'd prefer to meet in person if it's possible okay and Michelle you said you're out of town so yeah I'm reading the when is it I'm looking at the schedule at the calendar I'm leaving next Friday so the ninth and I will be gone either through the 16th of the 23rd okay that'll be perfect okay and our next meeting I think it's the 28th I remember yeah I'm looking at so that overlaps it all um but I mean I'm willing to be available and however it can be helpful or everybody moves forward during that time so we just look at calendar so like does that work rather than is it possible that we could is a week turnaround maybe next week somewhere Wednesday through Friday that we could do this before we go throughout the town throughout the town through the 6th but I'm back on the 7th so if I could really do any of those Friday evening I have something but other than that I don't know what everybody else is going to look like I'm the 7th is completely flexible for me so if that works for anyone else we could try to shoot for next Wednesday seven works for me isn't next Wednesday the 9th the 7th I'm still looking at June I'll be so helpful here guys can't even look at the right date the like month okay the 7th works for me I'm available in the afternoon okay um yeah I have a I have a break between 11 and 4 30 so yeah afternoon is relatively open for me okay like 3 o'clock and where do we want to meet do you want to meet here do you want to meet somewhere I was like coffee or whatever coffee as long as we're close downtown-ish I'll have to be back in my office at 4 30 that's hard for me so if we're 3 I still talk about living in Chicago or something I guess that just gives me I just I need to be back home at 4 30 for a client call well I don't we do to 30 them a little bit more time yeah is paradigm open or yeah that's what I was just checking they're not at least as of now they're only Thursday evening and Friday Saturday Sunday okay we could as long as the weather cooperates we could do weather center but you have to be outside the weather center is good also I think z-squat is open during that time yeah I kind of a sneaky suspicion too this is very unhelpful but I have a sneaky suspicion paradigm will open on Monday like after the holiday so it may be available a little insider trading there I actually know I just have like I don't know it's just the no I just have the sense yeah okay so somebody make a decision do we want to leave it to me to turn on like somebody should why don't we set it for weather center because we know that they'll be open and then we can you know if weather or something changes we can figure out an alternative and do we have contact information for each other other than email like do you have contact information I don't believe I have any contact information okay it just might be somebody helpful to have another way to deal with people I have Abby a contact for Abby but that that's it so Abby if we send you all our cell phone numbers can you then maybe pull that together and send that out to everyone so we have each other's contact information I can't hear you guys can you hear me now oh poor Abby she can't hear anything oh here I'll try the chat you can hear me obviously yep I just can't hear you at all okay very cool I can send that up first well just so that Abby can do that she'll figure it out once she gets everybody sent for so let's plan on that if you all have time to start working on pulling together what your thoughts are for mission vision values um and that way we have a little something once we meet and then we can go from there at 2 30 Wednesday the 7th weather vane unless we determine otherwise right weather center yes weather center weather vane with my old one sorry um cool that's all in the chat and um all right awesome thanks everyone bye have a good holiday