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Here we go This is Siri the Daily Tech news show by Tom Merritt is brought to you by all of the supporters at patreon If you also want to support Tom go to patreon.com slash ace detect that is patreon.com slash AC ED TCT and thanks as always for listening to the Daily Tech news show This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday September 9th 2015 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today to recap the Apple announcement and talk about other non Apple news as well Mr. Scott Johnson fatter the frog pants network. How you doing Scott Johnson? I'm good I love Wednesdays and usually our Wednesdays are kind of like the weird midweek stuff where there's not crazy big announcements or news But today we just kind of locked out. There's lots to talk about. Yeah Apple usually does a Tuesday announcement Patrick Beja was saying he was a little jealous He likes having the Tuesday announcements usually good. That's my goal in life is to make Patrick Beja jealous Joining us as well. Mr. Adam Christensen of the Maccast podcast somebody who's been following Apple closely For more than a decade. How's it going Adam decade? Yeah, it's going great. Exciting day. Can we say decades? You've been following them for decades Yeah, probably If we're if we're honest, I've only been doing it professionally for over a decade, but you are following them before that so that's fair Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. All right. Well, let's uh, Let's get into the headlines and then we'll get back to talking more detailed about Apple But we're gonna spend a chunk of the episode discussing that so if you need a quick summary Here we go new iPhones. Apple has added force touch calling it 3d touch on the phone for some reason a trigger phrase Involving the word Siri and hey in reverse order can activate Siri any time now Not just when it's plugged in a new 12 megapixel camera is there It can record 4k video iPhone 6s and 6s plus will come in silver gold space gray and rose gold Both come in 1664 and 128 gig versions the 6s ranges from 199 dollars to 399 dollars and the 6s plus From 299 to 499 dollars on a two-year contract Apple announced their own upgrade program though for $32 a month You can start getting a new iPhone every year pre-orders for the 6s and 6s plus starts Saturday September 12th and ship September 25th iOS 9 arrives on Wednesday September 16th and in store on the 25th as well I would assume from that right shipping that ship ships both two orders and stores You're right a good point to me. Well the one I'm probably the most excited about and I have my own reasons for it And I'll talk to Adam about it later in more detail, but the 12.9 inch iPad Pro Was announced and revealed finally some of those rumors are true has a 64-bit a9x chip 10 hours of battery life for speakers Which I thought was really interesting a 6.9 millimeter thick Casing on this thing weighs 1.57 pounds has an 8 megapixel camera 802 dot 11 ac with Mimo which is nice It comes out in November in 32 gig and 128 gig models you can get that hundred and 28 gigabyte plus LTE version for 859 and 1080 respectively a new stylus called Apple pencil cost 99 bucks and a keyboard case for another 169 it's also on a new iPad mini called the iPad mini 4 and the iPad Air 2 and has Those internals for 399 and it's important to note the iPad 2 or excuse me the iPad mini 2 is now the entry level Mini slash entry level iPad at this point Yeah, they just kind of tack that on at the at the end of the announcement like oh by the way while we're showing prices There's a new iPad Air mini 4. It's got the iPad Air 2 internals, but it's smaller And the iPad mini 2 is now the big the basic one weird. Yeah a new Apple TV has a remote With a touchpad and a microphone button so you can talk to Siri So you can do gesture and voice controls on the remote features universal search across Apple services and select apps an app store brings New apps like games and shopping a 32 gigabyte version for $149 and a 64 gigabyte for a hundred ninety nine dollars arrive in October They're swinging that thing like a Wiimote. It's pretty funny to watch Had a little bit of motion control in it too and they were demoing one of the games But they didn't show that when demoing the interface did they and they didn't really talk too much to it other than kind of show It so I'm very curious how much of a role that even plays Finally Apple watch has a new golden rose gold anodized Excuse me aluminum versions starting at 349 shipping today and new watch bands from Hermes coming in October Am I saying that right? It's not Hermes. It's Hermes You know what it is. It's like a double wrapped thing on your arm and Hermes is the one coming from the future on the guy Okay, now that is a watch band I'd buy me to Watch OS 2 comes out September 16th. So right around the corner. Yeah, so we're gonna talk at length about these But Adam Christensen if you could sum it up in one sentence, what is your reaction today's Apple's announcements? Sorry kids. Christmas is canceled is here dad's getting new Apple stuff I thought you were saying Christmas is canceled. You had me you had me on a hook because dad spent it all the money All right, turn that one around. Yeah, ours technically report Samsung has begun mass production of 12 gigabit LPDDR4 D RAM dies for mobile devices fabricated on its 20 nanometer manufacturing process The 50% greater density allows for four 12 gigabit dies in a single DRAM package They buried the lead here for you folks who don't follow the intricacies of RAM This means mobile devices with six gigabytes of RAM inside for example The 6s has a gigabyte of RAM. So there you go. Samsung says the new dies are 30% faster, too Well, most phones are we were talking earlier You can get like a three gigabyte phone someplace from some manufacturer But it's kind of rare to see anything bigger than that This this may spell a big sea change for how much RAM your phones get I mean, it's more RAM than we could probably use in a phone right now But I have never seen a situation where we didn't figure out how to use more RAM somehow eventually It always happens Tom when I had four megabytes in my three to six DX I remember somebody saying oh, you'll never need more than that And that's the dumbest thing to say about RAM ever. So we're not gonna say it today either Okay, I'd be enough for anybody Equire noted that both models of the Amazon Fire phone and now listed as currently unavailable on Amazon Amazon told Geekwire that the company sold out of its inventory in the US at the end of August Thanks to Captain kicker for that kipper for that tip. I don't think this means some have suggested it means Oh, they're they're getting rid of that stock taking it off saying there's no stock And they're gonna reintroduce a new phone to take its place But no other rumors about that have happened. So I think they're just kind of quietly putting that thing to bed Yeah, normally when they when they get rid of something in stock. It's because they've got a new model coming But those reports that they had laid off the people working on the fire phone sort of indicate otherwise. What do you think, Adam? I think that perfectly sums up most public reaction to the fire Figure out if I was supposed to jump in at this point because I had a comment on the last thing But I didn't make it. So what's your comment on Ram? Frankly, the Ram story is more interesting to me So on Ram, you know, I'm not a huge Android person But it's my understanding when you sort of look at these things Android phones kind of need extra Ram Like they're a little more resource intensive on this stuff, right? Well, they do more things in the background, right? Because they actually have closer to real multitasking, which eats up ramp, right? So the I mean it's the same argument They've made for years about OS 10 as opposed to windows needing more RAM to run run better I think there's some of those reasons that the main thing is that regardless of how efficiently your Device handles Ram more Ram means more capability down the road So I don't see how anybody loses from this from this innovation and wherever it goes next. Yeah Well, it's just interesting to see I mean Apple being so far behind but in you know A lot of testing and things like that when they look at these things the iPhone still outperforming with less RAM. So You know Yeah, Reuters reports Alibaba said Tuesday it expected Q2 transactions to be lower than previously Expected due to the slowing Chinese economy Alibaba head of investor relations Jane Penner said consumers will still spend But the company is seeing a negative impact of the magnitude of spending Alibaba reported gross merchandise volume grew 34% in Q2 But that is their slowest growth in three years Instagram has opened its advertising platform to any company in 30 countries as a self-serve options What they're calling it further expansion is planned for September 30th Instagram ad use Facebook data for targeting and charge a high CPM $6.70 that's a lot Users are more than 2.5 times likely to click on an Instagram ad than ads on other social media platforms I had heard that and wondered why and I've noticed when they're in my feed that I I know when there is an ad Like it's never they never pop up and me get confused to think oh did Tom post this and click on it by accident or something So I don't think they're getting more of those click-throughs because they're fooling anybody. I don't think that's even their intent I think they're clearly de-demarcated as ads. I just think that's an audience that's more engaged in Perhaps it maybe just speaks to how well are you using this Facebook data? And it's actually working. I don't know but works pretty good My worry my concern as an Instagram user is that when they had a limited number of highly vetted advertisers? They could make sure that these were high-quality pictures that they fit in the stream really nicely So that even though you knew it was an advertisement and like you I've never been fooled by one I've always looked them in like oh, okay, that's clearly an ad they didn't make me angry They didn't make me think what that's so ugly. It's ruined my stream when you open it up to what's called self-service. How do you? Assure that kind of quality in your advertising. Yeah, then things get real weird I completely agree so I have to wait and see what happens But if it starts to be flashing red and blue horrible, you know click here now to get a better deal on the loan or something Me and Instagram might have some punch the monkey Yeah, they're gonna be there's gonna be people trying to really game that so they're gonna have to have a good process We're sort of parsing through that. I mean we see it with Google You know insert ads on the websites that I manage and stuff like that You know that we're not supposed to have pop-up videos or autoplay videos and those things slip in there And they you know once you open it up to everybody You're gonna have people that are trying to work their way even around any guidelines They might have in place and slip stuff in slip stuff will slip in I like I like phrases that are simple and succinct There's a three-letter term that Tom just used and it is punch the monkey if that doesn't tell you everything You need to know about what you're afraid of here then you're listening to the wrong show because that terrifies me now Tevo is also terrifying and that they're suing Sam's Eastern District of Texas for infringement of four patents Regarding multimedia time warping and trick play functionality essentially the ability to pause play rewind a fast-forward live video Our static ad notes that in addition to Samsung made DVRs Tevo sites several Samsung Galaxy phones and tablets as Infringing because the devices do quote simultaneous storage and playback of movies videos television shows and other multimedia content That's not just Samsung though, right that doesn't that spread around anybody who does like any kind of live Broadcast that gives you DVR functionality. It sounds like TVO is willing to go after them. Wow I wonder if that apply. Well, I'm sure probably doesn't but it reminds me of you know Sony does this with the Vita and the PlayStation Apple on stage today talked about doing this with games on iOS and then later on the Apple TV Having your game progress state sort of saved and then immediately be able to pick it up at home or vice versa I doubt that's the same thing But whenever someone starts talking about an innovation like this That's when you brace for patent lawsuits sometimes from trolls sometimes from legit companies who you know have a vested interest like maybe Tevo Does I don't know now the Eastern District is Is very famous as being friendly to patent lawsuits to people who bring patent lawsuits Samsung has provided a skating rink in Marshall, Texas. So that's gonna help him out in this case I'm not sure what amenities Tevo has provided to the small town of Marshall Twitter, well, we know it just makes the sound every time it does Twitter they can undo Tevo provided the ability to undo plays for the local high school football team That would that would win the day for him right there. I like that skip past the principles of the comments Twitter has switched from separate iPad and iPhone apps to Unified design and developing or excuse me and development using responsive web design to handle different screen sizes I think this is much overdue Twitter's adaptive UI takes advantage of the response of this framework added to iOS 8 Twitter says the change will allow us or it to bring new features faster and I think that's good I don't like how spread out the Twitter ecosystem of apps are I want them all to It's very least to me look different at different UIs in terms of how you get to them But how I quote tweet retweet they all seem to want to do something different It would be nice to see that stuff smooth out my concern here would be performance So depending upon how they're implementing it sounds like they're using this new API I'm not super familiar with it, but you know I am in an iOS developer group and We always talk about performance of sort of web apps or apps that are running in a in a Web view inside, you know a native wrapper and things like that and performance can always be a concern I'm sure Twitter's you know the type of company will would have thought about this up front But I'd like to see how this works. I like the idea and being a web developer I love that they're using you know responsive design to kind of make it happen, but You know compared to a native app. I'd be curious to see how the performance is Squash tacos shared this one in our subreddit. It's a mashable opinion piece from Raymond Wong Saying he thinks journalists at the Xperia Z5 premium event in IFA Berlin got taken He said he was among them who admit initially mistook the Xperia Z5 Regular model with a 1080p screen for the Z5 premium model, which has a 4k screen He argues that specs like 4k are therefore meaningless on phones in the real world And more of a marketing get in a gimmick than a benefit to users because nobody noticed Raymond plans to do a side-by-side comparison between the Z5 and Z5 premium to see if people could tell the difference once they both come out I agree with him. You totally can't tm204 send us the story and gadget reports that intel Will no longer be the sponsor of the science talent search after 2017 All sts is a science science Excuse me a research-based science competition to encourage High school students to study science through cash prizes and meetings with experts sounds pretty cool until sponsored the event ever since 1998 Spending six million dollars a year until did not give a reason for pulling out nor Respond to any request for new information. So we don't know why they're out, but they're out Well, it's hard to say with budget things like that, but hopefully somebody can step in and fill in the gap Apple should jump in there, right? They got six million dollars without thinking They pee a beats dj that just for like lunch expenses. They should just do it They paid zane load to just record the please turn off your phone announcement before the That was Thinking when he did that that that must mean that happened during the beats broadcast, but they didn't do that right like I doubt it No, I also thought it was interesting Somebody else pointed this out in the verge live blog that they asked people to mute their phones because getting people to turn off Their phones just wasn't gonna happen Hey, thanks to folks who submit stories like tm204 squash tacos and cap and kipper We look through our subreddit at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com every day to help put together the lineup So the more of you that participate the more helpful it is get in there and do some voting or submitting some stories at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com Where do we start ladies and gentlemen, we've got new iphone 6s's which frankly I found a little underwhelming we've got an ipad pro which the only thing i'm disappointed about is they didn't also come out With a new 10 inch version. So now i've got to decide if I really want a 13 inch iPad we've got a new apple tv which has some interesting functionality and and we kind of have new watch stuff ish Where Adam, you're the host of maccast. Which one of these do you want to start with? uh I don't know. Do we want to do it in apple's order or in the order? It should have been in because I would have let's do it in the order. You think it should have been in Yeah, okay. Let's start with the iphone then because i'm with you I mean I was a bit underwhelmed by the iphone uh announcement Although there's a lot of great stuff in there and i'm still going to upgrade so i'm still excited about it But a lot of it was already leaked kind of going in we knew a lot of what sort of what was Was going to be announced and it turned out to be pretty much true and and right on board I mean it's not a huge design change. You've got the new rose gold color. Scott. You want to Well, it's not a color. It's a terrible name. I understand You know, I understand how marketing works and space gray technically isn't a color reader But I was I was okay with that one because that's one where you could say well, you know Kind of the gray space when you could make something up But rose gold is a ridiculous name for a color and all those color college courses I took in art that dealt with color entire units been on color months at a time Not one one color wheel ever come up with the name rose I want to and so my biggest beef on the iphone announcement is the whole marketing team So the rose gold thing fine But the renaming 3d force touches 3d touch What's I don't understand what's going on there. I was like screaming at my computer screen It's like now I've got now It's just another thing that i'm going to mess up on the show because I got to remember when i'm talking about the ipad Or when i'm talking about the apple watch it's called force touch and when i'm talking about the iphone It's 3d touch, but it's exactly as near as I can tell it's exactly the same technology I don't see the difference It's well, maybe there was tom said earlier made a joke about maybe there was some star wars name Trademark thing but I actually think there may be some truth to the idea that maybe that name can't be bandied about Maybe they had to come up with something short term to call it Whatever because it doesn't make any other sense to me because otherwise it makes no marketing sense To have two names for essentially the same technology when you could Bridge the two lines and have people be excited about both because they both have this feature you love Right so are they going to change it on the on the watch and the in the mac book then as well because those both have force touch So I don't know that that part was just that got weird to me The other thing just a quick comment on force touch I like the functionality that's built into the us that it sort of enables where I can kind of have these spotlight views of documents where I can tap on something and not have to open the whole app You know that's going to make things a lot more efficient I can tap on maybe an app icon and get right to the section of the app Immediately that I want to get to That stuff's all really cool But I was talking with the guys. I was on the british tech network Mac show live thing and we were watching that go by and you know eon rank and over there pointed out This could be done without extra hardware So i'm curious to actually try this feature because it's it's built into the hardware. It's built into the display You've got the taptic engine under there, which I guess you know give you some sort of you know touch feedback But a lot of it when i'm looking at the ui It seems like you could have done it in software where I could just press and hold on the icon and it could pop up that So i'm not sure where the force element needs to come Well, yeah, we already have long press right so this is going to have to be different than long press And they seem to be trying to imply that with force touch. It's just basically Harder does this less does this but with 3d touch. There's the mini tap and the full tap or they were calling it peak and pop Most of the examples they gave were for peak though, so i'm not even sure what pop is you good for well They also when they would show them, you know clicking on something lightly to look at it The big difference I guess would be this adam if you're if you're gonna do with the software way Which is you just hold it for a period of time and then eventually it quote unquote pops or comes out out of itself That seems like a workable thing to do in software, but that's all the time based thing This gives you the ability to say Well, I want to keep it in this sort of preview mode for a lot longer time ago Nope, this is the one I want click and then press harder. Yeah, so I think that's the total. That's the distinction I don't think there was another use Then that again that is the same as force touch and this the 3d touch naming thing is Is crazy and I will point out that kred kreg federigi during the event Slipped and said force touch and then corrected himself back to 3d touch Yeah, I also was not taken by the live photos. Uh, it was built up to be really cool to me because friends of mine, uh, for instance sarah lane on instagram We'll do these great slow mo pictures where you can't tell it's not a photo And then it'll just slowly start playing like maybe it's a swishing wine and a glass and slow mo And I'm like, oh my gosh, that's like a harry potter thing That's what I thought live photos were gonna be where oh you force touch and then you get and then it just comes alive But I had this big blurring effect which totally ruined it Hmm. Yeah, some of that was weird weird to see also just on the overall Sense I'm appeal. It seems like everyone's always a little disappointed with the s Yeah And this time we got force touch last time we got uh touch id the time before that we got seri There's always that one thing and it's always underwhelming to those of us who don't want to have to pay for a new phone Yeah, better cameras great better, you know a few other tweaks here and there that's all great But this one little thing Didn't strike me as This groundbreaking thing. I'm also going to upgrade Because I'm weird like adam but but and I'm excited about it Just like I have been for all the s remakes because what the s's end up just being kind of a If you liked the s or if you liked the one coming previously This is kind of a perfected version of that and then the next roll out is some funky new whatever But I still say it's always been this way. It just gets less and less We can we can iterate and iterate but we're going to innovate and innovate less with the form factor It's just the way it is. So it's going to be easy to fill underwhelm You do get the a9 processor. So you got a significant bump up in processor And you already mentioned the camera stuff. There's a newer touch id So if that actually really works, I I don't know about you guys But I I love apple pay and I use it as frequently as I can So anything that can help me unlock the phone faster or use that feature faster They say it's two times faster if that really is accurate That's going to be a convenience. It's not a huge leap forward again This is the this is the s series. I'm going to think of anything else that's in there that I was sort of excited about I'll have to say I usually skip the s versions of iphone And I was actually leaning towards buying one this time because my mom Has a Verizon phone. I have an unlocked phone that could work on Verizon or t-mobile And I kind of wanted to move us to t-mobile But I don't know if I'm going to bother at this point There's just not anything compelling in here Although Why do you guys make of that upgrade program? Are you going to do that where you buy your phone directly from apple? You pick the carrier and you can change it because it's unlocked Any year you want for 32 a month? I would I would rather do that though I'm going to say no to but I would rather do that if my options are The at&t or Verizon monthly equivalent to this. I would rather do the apple one Oh really? Yeah, I don't even really have a good reason why Okay, well, I might talk you out of it. All right, and we don't know details So I'm speculating at this point because apple didn't say to me. This seems like an apple phone leasing program It is yeah There was something about you pay off the phone over two years, but you can upgrade every one year So I think you just keep extending your payoff time Well, or is it you just turn the phone back into apple and they have a reselling program Just like gazelle or anybody else they're just going to take it and they're going to resell it and they've got their profit On the back end That's my guess is that you know even you can go an apple now and give them back your phone that's paid off And they'll give you cash for it. They'll make you an offer for it In my opinion. I think what's going to happen is you're going to pay 30 bucks You go in to get your new phone. They take your old one. They don't give you any money for it You keep paying 32 bucks. Yeah Unless you wait until it's paid off then I think you'll probably be able to keep it Yeah, I I don't know. Can you that's the that's the kind of detail I want to know is this is a perpetual I'm going to just rent my phone from apple In perpetuity sort of situation Unlike the at&t next plan where like my iphone Six plus is paid off. I'm selling it to a buddy of mine. I'm basically covering almost covering the cost of my new phone Now the upsell here is that you Buy in for the new phone obviously you get apple care on top of it, which you would otherwise have to pay for that That I did like I did like the fact that they have apple care plus on that But again, I think that goes back to the facts that you're leasing this thing from apple They need to have the value in it when you bring it back. So if it's all busted and broken That's not going to work for them as well All right. So where do we go next apple tv or ipad pro? Apple tv Oh, really? So you would you think apple tv is the more interesting next one? No, no, no, I'm saying I'm saying you leave the best for last so I think I got you and then apple should have obviously apple watch at the end. I hear you Kidding You can throw apple watch in wherever, you know that let's throw an apple watch now real quick Because I don't have much to say other than like bringing bringing an anodized aluminum version Whether it's gold or rose gold to the $350 price point the sport price Uh is a smart move Yeah, I agree I still don't I mean I was really hoping for something today that would push me over the edge because I'm of the three of us The one that hasn't tried the watch I don't Still don't feel the compelling reason and I wish I did because I really want to be that guy I want to have customer satisfaction is 97 scots. So apparently I am the 3% you are the 3% and You like yours adam, right? You've been happy. I do. Yeah, I do And are you are the changes coming in the os and all that stuff that's as far as you're concerned Are we on track for what you expected out of that device and and it's immediate future? Yeah, I mean apps are the big achilles heel in my opinion of the watch right now I mean, I don't use any third-party apps because they're so dang slow to load Um, and I think developers haven't figured out all the functionality either Uh, you know the thing on the watch is it's really an accessory I mean you have to think of it as an iphone accessory and it's a very expensive one So I'm happy with it because I'm getting out of it what I sort of expected of it And I knew I was going to be paying a lot of money for this thing that you know allows me to look at my notifications Check the time, you know I use a lot of the series features for like setting timers and things like that It's really convenient when I'm you know moving around the house And I need to remember to not overfill the pool You know sorts of things but these are minor sort of enhancements to you're not having to take my phone out of my Pocket, you know, it's interesting as I had originally put off buying one My justification was That I would normally kind of just do this because I I like the ecosystem I like their products and I thought well no matter what it'll be good at whatever it's supposed to do But I put it off saying instead i'm going to use that 400 bucks or so toward A hdc vibe a valve steam steam vr Vive at the end of the year because that's what those are supposed to be out in november And now we're being told those have been pushed or at least limited quantities only So now i'm left with this feeling of oh no, what do I do? What I'll probably do is just roll that money that I had budgeted for that into this ipad pro because I have More but but but that's where that I've been with this watch And it's really the first time in a long time where The product looks great everyone I talked to loves either loves it or in tom's 3% case Or was like yeah, give her take it or whatever But i'm not hearing anybody who hates the watch they've all you know found something to like about it It's the first one where I've just been like, I don't know man And i'm not excited about anybody's smart watch and I don't want a pebble I don't want anything so anyway, it's just interesting to see them the way that they're adding things to it Going with anodized aluminum in new colors I mean clearly they probably have the data to know that that's something that people want certainly on the store level Um, so yeah, I mean, you know, it's it they watch still it remains this thing I want to be more excited about tom and I just Yeah, I'm not this didn't change anything with me I think the most interesting thing about this is we didn't see a hardware upgrade And so it and that's good because people were worried I have they have a new watch every year Am I going to feel horrible buying this watch that i'm going to be wearing for for a long time? I wonder what the hardware upgrade cycle will be for the watch. It's obviously going to be different Yeah, um, one one thing I don't think a lot of people are talking about with this event that I really see Underlying especially this color stuff is apple focusing more on the whole fashion aspect across The entire line, you know, I think there's gonna it is going to be a big deal for Some people that they have their macbook and their iphone and their apple watch and you know They're stand at everything perfectly matched, you know and color match I've got rose gold of everything and they all match, you know, that is a thing I some people really care about that and I think pardon me wants to laugh at you and say, ah, that's so lame Who would care? But then I'm not being honest because part of me wants all this stuff in space gray right now It's just that's the one I want. I just happen to not want rose gold I actually think it's a really smart move for them They differentiate themselves by being focused in that way the watch really lets them do that And their competitors aren't doing that so much. It's still kind of a gearhead sort of thing and this is this is them saying Well, it's it's that but it's also, you know, it's for the Kardashians. It's for it's famous It's for the whoever Well, that's a lot more to say about the apple watch than I ever expected any of us would have And last little comment the the sport bands, you know, the the number of colors on the sports band is me the same thing You're going to have people who have an apple watch and they're going to get every color sports band So they can have a different color every day of the week or what have you it's very apple to offer millions of choices Wait, what no, it's weird Let's talk about the the device you can only get in black apple tv And to me, this is a fire tv except with itunes instead of the amazon store Uh, you know, it's a little bit more expensive too. It's at $149 for a 32 gigabyte version So you get more storage $199 for 64 gigabyte. It has voice search just like the fire tv It's it's got the ability to add apps from an app store just like the fire tv It has games just like the fire tv Uh, the only thing it adds is the gesture control on that touchpad on on the remote which is kind of nifty It looked like it would work well if it does. I think that's nice I don't know how much better its universal search is going to be than amazon's or roku's roku has universal search as well So to me, it's all about the implementation here and Whether the fact that apple has built up A big developer community makes their app store Better than the roku or the amazon app stores. Yeah, the way the way I came away from it was They're not a feature feature. They're not really offering anything crazily new other than that motion control and some of that stuff is a little bit Neat and different but the the core experience The way they win with that is Does it work as well as they showed it up there and some of that like deeper search stuff with the movies? That looked pretty cool. Is it fully third party universal search? There's a few questions that seemed a little bit limp on that. Oh, no No, it's only certain apps right now They can search across itunes netflix hulu hbo and showtime and they'll be adding apps Later it sounds like yeah, go ahead. Sorry. I was just going to say it sounds like there's a developer api So it would just be a matter of the developers building that into their app so that the metadata is probably exposed So the question is is that stuff work better? And is it more stable my fire tv has to be Unplugged and plugged in about four times a week and I like the device but I have problem Yeah, I get hitching and all kinds of weird stuff. I reboot it It's fine for a few days and that does it again and I have two that do that I have two because I remember they have that two for one deal or whatever Yeah, yeah do the exact same thing so Uh, it seems like if they can just deliver on all that deep voice search The responsiveness the ui the overlay stuff that all seemed really cool to me It's just about whether or not that stuff feels really fresh clean snappy fast Efficient. Oh, yeah, right on that point. The one thing that'll win me over to this over all the other platforms Is if that fast forward rewind scrub that they showed a multi-touch really works well Yeah, because fast forwarding and rewinding right now is a pain on these devices and the idea I think the killer thing they showed was Uh, telling Siri what did she just say and having it skip back 15 seconds So you could hear it that that was if that works as well as it did in the demo, which I kind of doubt to be honest Uh, that that could be the one thing that wins me over for sure I have a question for you about the fire with apps So with the fire tv on apps one thing the apple did announce was that they are going to let developers create universal apps That will go ipad iphone and apple tv So that could mean for the developers who opt to give that to their customers that you're not having to rebuy a new app For the apple tv or a game So that could be a bad feeling. Yeah, when you buy a fire tablet app, it does not show up on your fire tv No, and when they say universal I'll I'll I mean unless they say something otherwise this has to mean that I can get it across the entire ecosystem And not have to pay for it two times at the least three at the most and uh, if This is the other place that they could win this fight or they could make a big dent in this fight I'm not sure anyone's going to win it. I like that there's all this competition But their experience with the app store Has proven one thing that it's very hard to deny apple nailed that the app store is the single most successful ecosystem of its kind For mobile if they can translate that experience to the tv and have it kind of let you take all your stuff If you've already played you in theory you may be able to get onto this thing if their universal apps and the updates come out You should be able to download a lot of the stuff. You already had And so if you have that base already these hundreds of thousands of apps thousands of which you might actually like That's a huge up. That's a giant uptick and clearly a compared I think it's a big ass because I remember google saying we've got an app store It's an android app store and very few things came across to the google tv from that android app store That's absolutely true. So that's what i'm saying if they don't if they go that way We're in trouble if they if they decide to truly make that stuff ubiquitous the way they did with the ipad Which was really smart or iPods that your kids have and I can buy a game and now nick has it and taylor has it Mom has it whatever And they can do this to the tv at the same time. That's a huge huge deal That's a big win for them, but you're right. They may not do that I don't know they could they could pull it off too, especially though if you know Knowing the developer apis and things like that apple's been talking about You know they have a system and as long as developers use that to build their apps in the way where it'll scale You can almost probably very easily get a version up on the apple tv and then come back later and optimize it Sure, you know So the best games are going to be or you know apps are going to be optimized obviously for each screen But even if they're just using the dynamic scaling and figure out what the term apple has for it But if you built your app in that way, that's what enables the split screen stuff All of that stuff if you built your app in that way It should translate pretty easily. So it's probably a pretty easy Transition for developers to get their app onto the apple tv But we'll have to take a deeper look at the apis or Yeah, the apis sorry speaking of split screen That's something you can do with an ipad pro because when you turn it on its side It's the same the width is the same as the height of the ipad air You can have two ipad errors next to each other The ipad pro or as i call it the microsoft surface for people who like to use office on ios instead I i want to give it a third name kind of gear in a second name sure might be If they can do it right and i need to make sure first i guess before i've plunked down the money But artists are looking for a artist friendly portable solution. I know that the surface pro does this I tried a three for a while. I didn't like it. It was hitchy and weird two was better for whatever reason the surface two was better It was fine And i like running full apps like photoshop things like that But if this Can look as good as they were making that artwork look on screen as an artist who does a lot of digital artwork on a big Waycoms antique in the office and otherwise has sketchbooks in the field This is a huge thing for me and it makes this apple pencil looks to you Much better than the third party Styluses that you could get or stylized that you could get before now without a question The the they are essentially giving you for the first time for real you're getting pressure sensitivity And they're they showed exactly how the pen does that and the pen is where the pressure sensitivity matters It's the same with these wake on devices Uh, they I don't know what the levels of sensitivity are because they didn't say on stage or Didn't paper have a companion stylist that would do some kind of pressure sensitivity though Yeah, there's also a wake on one that does it but it's It's okay, right? They're okay that the paper one even kind of has the side thing, you know where you can kind of You know do fill ins and stuff like that but it's not It's good, but it's not great. Yeah, and so this is a great stylist I think really the key scott correct me if i'm wrong I mean the the biggest problem with stylists right now Is what they were talking about on screen the latency that you know You can get easily if you're drawing especially quickly you're trying to do a sketch You can easily get way ahead Of your line and it's just it's so off-putting when you're trying to get on the fastest advice It's extremely frustrating and that was a huge. I was going to say that is a huge part of this for me The other part is simply form factor. We need something big enough to make sense In a portable way and this is the right size now They're competing devices out there wake on has their own android based tablet There are other tablets out there that the tout being kind of an artist tablet Um all of them to some degree or another have strengths and weaknesses I'm looking for something that will really be strong in this place I really hope this is it because like how thin it is I'm in the ecosystem as it is already So we got a lot of app opportunities and even if this stylus is only good not great It seems like again api and some you know the better latency is going to prompt other third parties to make even better Stylists is including wake on and others that you are may already trust and we'll get even better hardware for that So so I am genuinely jazzed about that device So for me, it's I'm getting the big duke. So I want to get a 6s Or 6 plus s or 6s plus rather That'll basically replace any need for a smaller tablet for me You get the big pro that takes care of what I want it for plus other tablet needs I'm good. I'm good for the year. But if you need if you get the top end ipad pro for 1079 dollars Then you get a pencil for 99 dollars. You're talking mac book air prices at that point You are but then you're not See I would look at it differently because when I bought for example the cintiq 22 hd Was two thousand dollars That's I can buy a lot of computer for two thousand dollars And this really just if you if you want to look at it this way It's just a 22 inch display with you know that you can draw on But because it's so good at what it does It's absolutely worth that from a business perspective for me And I am that is how I'm looking at this if this was just a casual buy I'm not sure I'd be interested comic books The comic book thing is kind of a big deal Because now you're getting like one to one resolution on comic book detail that that's pretty cool But aside from kind of that media consumption stuff that they've always been sort of good at If this can be a real tool for me in this way It will more than justify that cost plus I'd probably just go the mid-range anyway for what I would use it for I don't need the I'm I'm hoping with the keyboard For me because I don't do a lot of drawing and stuff like that for me. I'm looking at this as a potential Way to not get a like a mac book or Another mac book air. I'm happy right now with my mac book pro 15 inches of 2011 But I'd like something that I can actually take with me I do take my ipad sometimes with me just you know my standard one and you know typing on the screen is not always great I so to have something that's light and portable Still an ipad. I can kind of do the split screen thing It has some appeal to me because it's gonna it's I think it's have to look at weight-wise I think it's lighter. I'm assuming it's lighter than the mac book Well, it's lighter than the than the original ipad. So I don't know how that's 1.57 pounds Yeah, right and I don't remember what the spec on the mac book is the mac book is pretty darn light Yeah, well, it's going to be definitely lighter than that because I've got to buy the same year mac book pro You have a pro right? Yeah, um I look at 13 inch ways 2.96 pounds. So yeah, it's like I was saying versus buying like a mac book or a mac book air So this could be my portable solution because you're because Tom's right I mean by the time you add the keyboard and the pencil you're looking at the same price point So it really comes down to how much portability do you need and which operating system do you want to Do you want to live in and for me for most of the stuff that I can do on the road? Which is taking notes for the show and doing research and doing emails and all those sorts of things An ipad is perfect for that. I don't need a full mac book and so And I it's weird because I went into this not being not caring at all about the ipad pro And I knew apple was going to show me some stuff that I was going to be excited about And I think it's more for me about the accessories and you know the add-on stuff that they added I don't know that the you know having a large screen ipad is really something that i'm looking for But you throw the keyboard on there and suddenly you know It's an ipad that can optionally function as a really portable laptop for me And there are people screaming at this at the show right now saying well Then just get a surface pro everybody. That's the Market and here's the truth of the matter. I'm this close to going surface pro If this doesn't pan out if this thing is just nothing more than like Fancy dressing on an existing ipad then probably gonna have to go the surface pro as as a result because it's that kind of decision for me But this really is an interesting I think make it or break it moment for apple where they can say look here is a transitional device the device that lets you Be businessy and do worky kind of things on it But also the casual thing that you get with an ipad normally So that you don't have to go full notebook anymore And I and if they nail that little weird space in the middle, that's a that's a big deal Like most of these things you can't really compare them exactly the surface pro 3 Is an inch smaller it's a it's a couple tenths of of a pound heavier Uh, but it also runs full windows 10 and and you know if if that's your thing If you're like I want to have windows 10 desktop apps, then yeah, that's the thing you should get Uh, or if you want i1 os 10 desktop apps, then you're going to have to get a macbook air It just kind of depends on the person but apple has made a product that fits a particular person and uh I think people over emphasize how significant it was that microsoft got up there and demoed It's it's less significant for apple. It's more significant that microsoft is really playing in all fields now They don't they don't want to try to hoard all their customers within microsoft They're willing to go out and get customers wherever they are even if that's on an ipad you mean like they used to right? Right so software. Yeah Yeah, they used to be they used to be if you see microsoft show up at an apple event It was a giant screen of of the bill gates sort of looking down on well Yeah, if you're thinking of pirates of silicon valley, exactly I'm just more commenting on like I'm glad that microsoft has seen the light and yeah, they can do their own hardware And that's great and stuff like that But really their core business is selling software and selling software to as many people on and us on as many platforms As they possibly can getting everybody to use office all this stuff And it's nice because they're they're now back to making really good apps on the mac and whatever platform windows You know, whatever platform you want to be on I think where they should be apple made a big deal about this when they introduced microsoft, right? They said uh, when what who is the guy they were introducing konigsberg? What was this? I'm sorry konigsbauer They said microsoft's great at productivity And I think microsoft's perfectly comfortable being billed as that they're like, yeah, we're the productivity service people We have azure. We have office 360 You know, we are the folks who deliver services whether it's software as a service or storage or or anything else That's what they want to be apple Admittedly is not good at cloud services at this point So I think they're willing to let microsoft take that part for now. They probably won't be surprised I mean the ipad pro is also they're going to sell a ton of these things in enterprise. Absolutely. I mean, yeah And it's key to be able to have microsoft running to have autocad running I mean that was an underlying theme in here was showing these high level professional Pieces of software running on the ipad pro Yeah, so I like the ipad pro for how many markets is sort of appealing to You know, you can see architects in the field having these out there You see artists having them out there then you see them in you know in meetings, you know with guys taking notes And and so I think it's going to be a pretty big big boost to ipad If those four speakers are any good be a pretty good presentation platform in a conference room, you know what I mean Quickly bring something up and show somebody a rotating knee Knee bone or whatever they were small small group Well, yeah medical is another big I mean you're going to see doctors carrying these things around like crazy All right to finish up this conversation Adam it sounds like you're getting almost everything that was announced. Uh, what what compelled you today? What is the stuff that you're excited about getting your hands on? I definitely the the ipad pro. Um, I've been waiting for new apple tv for a while I don't I you know, I I'm The guy that lives in the apple ecosystem. So I have everything I've bought on itunes You know, it just makes sense for me I've looked at the other set top box products, but because I'm so Invested in this ecosystem. It's just where I'm going to be so when apple comes out with the new apple tv It just makes sense for me to go there because all my contents. They're already Um, so yeah the ipad pro is probably the biggest thing I'm surprised about I knew I was going to get the new iphone a lot of it You know in terms of getting the iphone is just so I can review it and talk about it I like getting a new iphone. I'm not going to deny that so it's great to have an excuse to do it But um, you know really on the iphone side I think the most thing I biggest thing I'm excited about is maybe the new camera Oh, I mentioned then to mention earlier, you know that if you're into selfies and doing facetime videos The front facing camera going to five megapixel. That's a big update from 1.2 Which is what they had so if you're into that sort of thing. I'm not but you know Those are nice upgrades. So looking forward to that but mostly, you know the ipad pro I'm not looking forward to spending the money on it, but I'm going all in I'll get the pencil and I'll get the I'll get the keyboard and I'll get the ipad pro I'm not going to get the cellular one though because I'm perfectly fine with tethering that Same here. I never get a tablet with cellular android or iOS either one Scott. What were you excited by? Well, I'm very much looking forward to the pros as I've probably already made clear Um, it just doesn't artist. I think that thing looks awesome. The tv thing is interesting I I I feel like there's been such a long period of time between when the apple tv debuted as a hobbyist device And and now and you look at that interface and its responsiveness and everything as it stands today Is kind of archaic compared to the other set top boxes good apps good, you know support good content But ui is very slow. It's clunky. It just has outlived its stay So to see something fresh new fast and snappy is is very interesting to me Although how many how many housewives not housewives just wives in general sitting around on a couch with their husbands Are going to love the idea of right in the middle of you know Vampire diaries the the guy go talks to his remote and says tell me how the fillies did last night in the game Or vice versa, right? Well, how many times is Veronica belmont going to be over at your house scott? Well, you're watching game of thrones and say, uh, how are the giants doing? I mean that that can happen too In theory, yes, I'm worried because it looks like for gaming you need multiple remotes So what happens when you have four remotes around you can use your ios devices as a controller It's just kind of glossed past that No, I get that too But i'm just saying so say you go all in and you're like i want to have the you know The remotes with the gyroscopes and stuff like that and so everybody's got her Which one takes precedence when someone wants to watch something Everybody in the family grab a remote. What kind of fights are we going to have there? We have real primed remote prime. They have real opportunities of things like the jackbox collection currently all the rage on ps4 xbox and pc Those use wireless devices of any kind with a touch screen as controllers You know like eight people living room playing on a playstation Absolutely fun and exciting and I just got to think and well man imagine the kinds of game experiences The apple tv could provide to all these iphone ipod touch You know ipad users in the house who all want to participate in the thing There are real opportunities for the casual gaming market here that I think got glossed over a bit too I know they focused on gaming and showed some stuff, but I think it's a bigger deal than people think and I Jury's out man. I've heard that story a million times by google and amazon and android and I said google and android twice, but I just It's going to come down to apps and developers like a lot of this stuff I you know that's as I was saying earlier from apple watch You know really when developers get their hands on it and get creative and figure out the experiences and the things to do With it that's what's going to sell it So that's where all this is. It's not just a matter of that. That is absolutely everything that makes this work So all I'm saying is they already have a track record of pulling that off in the mobile space where nobody thought it could be done Nobody thought they were going to unseat nintendo in terms of All these handsets and now with google in the picture you have many many more handsets out there You have nintendo themselves making mobile games in-house for these devices next year They're actually contracting another company to make it with the right. Oh, yeah, sure But still it's still a huge deal and I think that just leads to more stuff My point is if they can do it there If anyone has the the money wherewithal experience and the existing base to do it they do So i'm not saying they will and i'm not sure I bet a million dollars on it But I they have the best chance as compared to these other little stabs that others have been making. That's all i'm saying Uh to finish up. I will probably I don't know. I will get the apple tv. I will I feel like I must for the cord killer show And I also want to it's interesting. I I would like to try it out Uh, I was in the market for an ipad and i'm really disappointed They didn't have an upgraded 10 inch because i'm not sure I need a 13 inch tablet But i'll probably end up getting one of those Uh, and I don't think i'll get the iphone or a watch either one Yeah, I skipped I skipped the three the ipad air three So i'm just going to make this be it since there isn't an ipad air three I'm on the ipad third generation like the one that came after the ipad two That oh, wow. Yeah, that was only around for seven months before they upgraded it. Yeah, i'm still That's a testament to the ipad. That's another thing that I love about these things is apple You can still run the latest operating system. You can get the updates, you know, they're not obsolete. So yeah All right real quickly our pick of the day comes from mark and his pick For those of you who've had a little too much apple is a combination of google music and amazon prime music He says we often talk about apple music spotify ardio, but not a lot about amazon prime It's the part of amazon prime. I use the most at work It does not have the latest hits, but if you have a little gray box in your or i'm sorry A little gray in your beard like me they have a great back catalog with a lot of good playlists The biggest thing lacking is radio stations, but google has great instant mixes and radio stations based upon a single track It's a great way to save 120 a year, which you will pay For prime So send that's a good pick a little little combination there and I actually use that same combination I rely on google music for my stored and purchased music, but I have amazon prime So I can use that although I don't find myself compelled to use it. 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I probably need to go crawl someplace in a little ball and just Yeah, believe me So are you so I mean I want I was gonna add I was gonna say I want the pro, but I don't think I need the Space of the I don't need the 128k. Was it 30? I always get you know at the few times that I've ever followed that impulse you're having right now I've regretted it. So I always max out the space should I agree with tom Probably max it out. It's the but then you guys are right add more later It's so expensive You're in not only notebook territory, but expensive I'll point to my quote to my kids aren't getting christmas this year Be very light We got one daughter out of the house another one's pretty close. You don't have to buy them a lot of presents, right? Me no, no, no, I'm talking to scott Yeah, you don't have a kid out of the house you do you're all Scott scott make them their presents. It'll mean so much more and save you so much money I'll draw it on my ipad pro on your hats, right? There you go I mean, that's funny. I have such a singular need for it. It's harder help you and then give her your present Definitely I would say make sure you go into the story try it first scott because I'm really worried that the stylus is not Going to be as good and responsive Hardly ever is you know, they do those videos and it's like I mean I give apple some credit they some they're some of the most like stage presentations and stuff they do try to be real, right There's a temptation to be so Perfect that you don't screw anything up so you fake it or whatever And then you find out later Oh, that was running on a different computer or that was like pre-recorded or whatever apple's been pretty good about saying Here's real world use on stage But with the pen you're right. It's this beautifully filmed sort of commercial type thing that looks very hard to sort of verify Right. Well CGI pressure sensitivity with actual drawing and I don't know I can't go back and watch the demos Especially like the first time of the microsoft guys did it didn't seem to and when we were watching the live thing with the You know bridge type network guys They pointed this out it didn't seem to be quite as good as we'll show in the video Like you can you can notice and now again, it's probably a really stage, you know, it's not a finished product but Should be close if it's november True Yeah, I don't know We can software and firmware and like that's still one of this just for ipad reasons like just your normal ipad reasons then I don't know if I even care Yeah, see I have the added benefit of you know, I can get it I and I have it just to talk about the stuff So I'll get the accessories just so I can review and have a firsthand knowledge of them But you know, I I don't know if they're going to work as well as But what was shown I hope so because it'll be amazing. Yeah me too How about a shout out to the crossy road folks who were very obviously not doing a pre-recorded demo Yeah, yeah that I'm glad they brought them out just because they had this great indie hit But uh, all those presentations are always rough and e3 is just as bad. They're all bad Have you played their pac-man thing? 265 256 is good. I mean it scratches the you know, your endless pac-man itch if you have one For sure Yeah, this announcement, uh, I was watching the verge by the way the verge had the recode people on their live blog They were like crossing over because they're all part of the same company now and uh, it was pretty awesome to see lauren good uh, nilai patel kasey newton walt mosberg all like chatting with each other giving each other a hard time Uh, and and walt had some zingers Uh in there and one of them was like this could all be on a press release Like to certain parts of the announcement, right? Oh, we didn't even bring that up in the show You know, they had great pacing at the front of the thing Like it seemed like they were moving really nicely through everything and then they got to iphone And for me the whole thing just crashed. It was just like They were dragging on about that. They you know anytime they bring out developers I get it. I get they're trying to give us context and under and understand how it works But it just flows to a grinding halt Yeah, they could have been done in an hour and a half and maybe even shorter if they just trimmed up some of the He goes we have so much to talk about and there's no time for numbers So let's just get straight to it and I'm like, oh, well, this is yeah, but he did this last time too He put the numbers into the presentation. It's a it's a scam. Don't believe him But you know, I don't know am I am I wrong? Is it is it supposed to be for us for analysts like who really cares about the sub pixel Blah blah blah like can I just read that in the tech thing on apple's website? Does that need to be that was always steve jobs position? It felt like that's what I heard is that he's like don't do specs Nobody cares. They can read those later Yeah So they've gotten really into those, you know whole I thing I don't need to know about the materials and now I have to say I was seeing I was seeing people in various outlets saying, oh, this is the part I really like So they obviously know that there are people who are spec nerds who get right get fun out of that And that's the only thing I think of is, you know, like the really technical tech blogs You know and on tech is like salivating over that stuff or whatever I like I like hearing phil schiller get excited about stuff. It doesn't you know Does he even really know what it means? Yeah, there's your question. He actually really understands it or And it's funny because then he's some he always summarizes up You like he goes into the deep details and is like, yeah, the pictures will be richer and sharper Well, yeah, because you have to if you're doing that because you're doing it for us a today as much as you are for an And tech so you gotta give them a quote at the same time exactly Hey Hello, yes, if we needed a second guest chair on tomorrow's current geek Are you willing to come on? Yeah, is current geek on tomorrow? No, I'm sorry Friday. It's what I meant. Okay. Yes. I am I ask is because we were having Um, who are we having on? Frack I just forgot it all confirmed. So that's why tom. You haven't heard from me up at you Yeah, I'm on pins and needles here. Andy beach is coming on. Oh awesome. Yeah, you like Andy. Yeah And he uh Is awesome, but I I don't know for whatever reason. I've we've had him on other things before for whatever reason You just sound like a great Add for that. All right. If you're willing we you compliment me I will show up Therefore I will show up Good deal then. Oh, you know, uh, you know who uh, who else we should have on current geek And I don't think we've had him yet is Derek Cullin. Do know who does the uh, uh the tracks at dragon con Oh, right. You said the scepticality guy. Yeah. Yeah, we use in fact speaking to elr He was a guest on there her which time is back in the day. We should totally have him on Yeah, why not are him and swoopy still working together or are they sort of separate? Uh, no, well, they're working together on some things a dragon con. They're on uh, they're on a bunch They're kind of split up now. I think she's still helping out with the sceptic track Um, but yeah Yeah, well, yeah, for sure. He's great. I like him a lot We should swoopy on too, right? He's doing good. Yeah, he's stable now. He's doing good. He's recovered. Uh, he's, you know, he's Back to being Derek That's cool. I like him a lot. It's been years. I think though since he had the stroke Yeah, that was in fact, it was the year it was oh six Yeah, it was the year that steve jobs got up and did His announcement that there would be um Itunes supported directly podcast so podcast in itunes. That was all right And it was the day when he got up and showed all these podcast album arts one of them was scepticality And they were there I think for that particular Whatever and then later we're at dinners when the stroke happens I didn't realize it was that same night Awesome weekend terrible weekend. Oh, yeah Well, I have to say uh, he is an impressive man, uh with all that he does at dragon con And knowing he explained to me how he had to reroute his brain essentially Yeah, he's it's very interesting. Yeah We're cool. We'll get him. I gotta get out there That that's gotta be put on my schedule for yeah, you sure You get uh, you get nominated for the parsecs pretty regularly you might as well Oh, I do Didn't even know that I remember buzz out loud got nominated a couple times for the parsecs which You know, I mean they have a they have a news category, but I'm like, it's not really the parsecs for science fiction and fantasy podcasts and But hey, why not now I've seen madcast up there on that news being nominated for the news category before too. Yeah, awesome Adam's always the hotness I like Roger's still life with baby right now I'm just I've been sitting there watching this whole time. He's got a cute baby. How can you not? We're the only tech news show with a cute baby Uh, you whenever you say only But I we're definitely the tech show with the cutest baby the cutest baby. You're right sure All right, I probably should drop off. I have not eaten. I'm gonna go eat something and play some hearthstone Yeah, that sounds like a fine idea adam. Thank you again, man. It was awesome Cool. Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Thanks for being right Hey, see adam. Have a good one, dude. Yeah later. Thank you guys madcast everybody 8 30 still All right I'm all in the one the one sad piece of news that breaks my heart is that math lana again will be elsewhere tonight So it's gonna be my first talent anyway without math lana again behind the scenes Uh, so I'm gonna do my best. We'll make it work But I'm really excited about the topic. We're good Yeah, what's the topic? Can you tell us? Yeah, it's um, well the the topic is is this real life question mark But it was a very carefully crafted topic to allow me to tell a story about the west wing Oh, great. Yeah, so that's fine when you worked for the president martin sheen Yes, uh, I was on the santos campaign And uh, I covered Iowa Dude, you know, I love that show like beyond almost anything in the world That's why I asked you to be on this particular week Because I sensed that you would really like this story. I love that show So there you go All right, well excellent and tom I think miles at four Your time, uh Is that right the quarterly call? I said five five I thought Yeah, five your time. So six my time six your time. I just gotta get it straight and make sure I'm there Cool. I have current geek or I mean I have tmspm, but I have That'll be over by then. So that'll be good. Oh good. Awesome. So you maybe darin Uh, and I haven't heard from Len Peralta, but I'm guessing that means he won't Maybe he was patient zero. I heard it'll be me and jenny, too Yeah, no, I'll be there be should be fun looking forward to it's here It's too good Oh my gosh, where is the room with the air conditioning and why am I not in it? I'm getting you there. I'm getting you there. I promise it is so a lot What's hot to you? Tell me how hot it is. Uh, let's see what it is right now. Hold on I think it's in 95. Oh, that is hot Yeah, that's plenty hot 97 I'm sorry. It's 97 to give you a hard time, but that's that's plenty warm. Yeah So people in arizona are laughing at us, but that's fun. That's true But they're we're laughing at them because they're in arizona in the summer Yeah, they live in a place where man was not meant to be not meant to be But aren't you you're a giant salt lake? Isn't that You know productive to life as well. I'm not really rogers back I'm not near it, but we needed something for the opening of What's night rider? That was all filmed on the salt flat. So, you know, it's all right What I'd like is they got someone with the same hairstyle as As a hassle off. Yeah to drive the car So that you get the silhouette because even when you silhouette david has off he has is a very distinctive heritage. Yeah That's true. I used to think it was just done up for the show and then I watched Baywatch and I said it's the same hair All right, we are published And out of the post I'm going to end the stream now. Thank you everybody for watching. Goodbye. Goodbye And bye alpha geek radio